The Charlie Kirk Show - The Great Replacement is Real, and Here's the Proof

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00:01:15.000 Professor Michael Anton, welcome to the program.

00:01:17.000 Thank you.

00:01:18.000 I love taking the course with you this summer on Machiavelli.

00:01:22.000 It was excellent.

00:01:23.000 Thank you for that.

00:01:23.000 Appreciate it.

00:01:24.000 With the Claremont Institute.

00:01:26.000 So is it fair to say you're a classicist?

00:01:30.000 Not really.

00:01:30.000 I mean, in the academic context, that means somebody who teaches the languages.

00:01:34.000 Okay.

00:01:34.000 I just read the books and try to get the lessons from them.

00:01:37.000 So I'm actually formally trained in political theory.

00:01:41.000 You are incredibly impressive.

00:01:44.000 Anytime you publish anything, I read it.

00:01:45.000 In fact, I was referencing you recently here in front of an audience where Vivek Ramaswamy was saying, you know, I was on CNN and I talked about the great replacement theory and I mentioned all of these pieces of evidence.

00:01:57.000 And then CNN said, well, what?

00:01:59.000 It's probably good that it's happening anyway.

00:02:00.000 Yeah.

00:02:01.000 Which is a piece you wrote, which is one of the most incredible things.

00:02:06.000 It's not happening.

00:02:07.000 And it's good that it is.

00:02:08.000 And it's good that it is.

00:02:09.000 Yeah.

00:02:09.000 And it's a rhetorical tactic that the left has come up with.

00:02:12.000 You know, if there's something bad that they don't want you to notice, because they don't want you to stop it, their first go-to is, oh, you're imagining that, right?

00:02:22.000 So like, that's not happening.

00:02:24.000 There is no, the border is secure, is that kind of thing.

00:02:27.000 There's the border is not being overrun.

00:02:29.000 Or, you know, transgender athletes won't have any, you know, of negative effect on women's sports and so on and so forth. 0.98

00:02:36.000 And then once they get to a point where the evidence is overwhelming, they can't deny it anymore. 0.98

00:02:40.000 They pivot to, no, this is a, this is great.

00:02:43.000 This is wonderful.

00:02:44.000 It's actually good that, you know, we need lots of immigration, legal and illegal, because if we don't have it, we won't have a large enough workforce or we won't have enough people to pay into Social Security.

00:02:54.000 They come up with these reasons.

00:02:55.000 But what they don't want, they don't want us, our side, noticing these things and talking about it because noticing and talking leads to opposition.

00:03:05.000 And they don't want opposition.

00:03:06.000 They just want to run the table. 0.99

00:03:09.000 That it seems to be the people that are in the most trouble right now are the best at noticing.

00:03:14.000 Yeah, that's probably true.

00:03:16.000 I mean, it becomes hard to notice.

00:03:19.000 So, you know, I think the immigration problems in particular, they kept a lid on that for a long time.

00:03:26.000 It's now hard to keep the lid on it, right?

00:03:28.000 It's, I mean, I have said, I have used the phrase great replacement theory in print, I think, two years ago, and nothing happened.

00:03:35.000 That is to say, people point and they yell and they get mad, but at the end of the day, like, I'm still here.

00:03:41.000 So, let's intellectually build that out.

00:03:43.000 What is the great replacement theory?

00:03:45.000 I don't, I can't remember who coined the term.

00:03:47.000 I think it was some French intellectual.

00:03:49.000 Now, someone, you know, some lefty is going to prove that whoever this guy was, he had some nefarious ties to somebody, which ties me to that person, but whatever.

00:03:56.000 The point is, the point is that, like, you see it happening.

00:03:59.000 It's demographic transformation. 0.55

00:04:01.000 It's overwhelming the existing population of a given country or region with migrants, legal and illegal, to basically create a new population for voting purposes, for cultural purposes, and for economic purposes. 0.97

00:04:16.000 Why do they get so ferociously aggressive when you mention all the things I'm attacked? 0.99

00:04:21.000 Whenever I bring up great replacement, it's five articles, advertiser boycotts.

00:04:25.000 It's 10 out of 10.

00:04:26.000 Why is that?

00:04:27.000 I think at least two reasons.

00:04:28.000 Number one is just the incredible sensitivity on any topic that even glancingly touches on race.

00:04:35.000 That immediately sets off the left's, you know, every single rate army.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, they just go crazy.

00:04:40.000 But the second is, right, their power is enhanced by mass migration into the United States or into the West generally or into Europe, right?

00:04:50.000 And so, as I said, noticing leads to discussion, which potentially leads to opposition.

00:04:55.000 They don't want opposition.

00:04:57.000 They want this to be able to continue until it's essentially a fait accompli and nobody can do anything about it.

00:05:02.000 And then you, so here's a great example, right?

00:05:04.000 I grew up in California.

00:05:06.000 A friend of mine joked with me the other day because I recently moved to Texas.

00:05:09.000 So I moved to a red state after never having, well, and he said, well, how do you like?

00:05:13.000 This is another California friend of mine who lives in another red state.

00:05:16.000 We both grew up there.

00:05:17.000 And he said, well, how do you, you know, what's have you ever lived in?

00:05:20.000 That's right.

00:05:20.000 He asked me, have you ever lived in a red state before?

00:05:23.000 And we both joked.

00:05:24.000 When people ask us that, we tell them, we grew up in one, right?

00:05:28.000 So California, let's forget, we can leave out the 64 landslide, okay, because everybody, you know, I can't remember how many states Goldwater won, but I won many, right?

00:05:38.000 Just after that, it's Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, six in a row in California.

00:05:44.000 And if you go back even further, okay, the streak is even longer for Republican presidential candidates.

00:05:51.000 And because of, now this is different, because this is just a state, this is not the nation as a whole, but largely because of demographic transformation, right?

00:05:59.000 California is not, it's the most liberal state and the bluest, it may not be technically the bluest state in the nation.

00:06:06.000 I don't know exactly how you would gauge that.

00:06:07.000 Maybe Massachusetts is bluer or whatever, but it's just a different place.

00:06:12.000 And so while this was happening kind of throughout the 90s and the 2000s, it was forbidden to talk about it.

00:06:18.000 If you talked about it, you either could be celebrating it, you could trumpet it and say, isn't this great?

00:06:24.000 The demographics of California are changing and soon there'll be a permanent Democratic majority.

00:06:28.000 And if you were like, rah, rah, this is awesome, you could talk about it.

00:06:32.000 If you said it from the conservative, the Republican side, you know, the demographic transformation of California may actually lead to a permanent Democratic majority.

00:06:39.000 Then conspiracy theorists, you can't talk about it until it became just a completely done deal.

00:06:45.000 And then you get, you know, LA Times columnists and other, you know, senior grandees who write about California essentially spiking the ball in the end zone, going, Republicans, you're never going to win here again.

00:06:55.000 Ha ha ha.

00:06:56.000 You have it coming.

00:06:57.000 So once it's a done deal and there's no possible path back, or at least it looks that way, then they'll start talking about it and let you talk about it.

00:07:04.000 But while anything is in the balance, and I think the left right now is in a position where they feel that as much progress as they've made, they may be on the cusp of losing a lot of it and maybe of the tide turning, right?

00:07:19.000 They don't feel secure.

00:07:20.000 They don't feel like they've won completely.

00:07:22.000 No, and that's, I mean, just, again, I'm far from as well read as you and study this stuff, but they're not acting like a confident bunch of people.

00:07:31.000 No, they're acting like they're not.

00:07:32.000 Clearly, they're whether they're clearly not as heck.

00:07:34.000 Now, whether they should be or not is another debatable question, but they're nervous as heck.

00:07:40.000 And they sense that, like, since they don't have the deal sealed, they haven't fully and finally won.

00:07:46.000 What they need to worry about the most is us talking about it and actually mustering effective opposition.

00:07:52.000 So, one of the things that, you know, because I worked in the Trump administration, I get asked to talk about it a lot.

00:07:59.000 And a certain cast of reporter likes to basically say, well, won't you admit that his administration was a failure?

00:08:05.000 Like, he didn't finish the wall.

00:08:06.000 He didn't do this.

00:08:07.000 And then, okay.

00:08:08.000 When I'm asked, how do you grade him?

00:08:09.000 I always say, well, I'm a college professor.

00:08:11.000 So I get to not only give letter grades, I also get to use this other letter grade that people forget about called an I.

00:08:16.000 It's an incomplete, right?

00:08:18.000 Right?

00:08:18.000 He did a lot of stuff.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, he didn't get the full wall built.

00:08:21.000 I wish he had done it in four years.

00:08:22.000 That's a great framing.

00:08:23.000 But if you actually go back and look at the numbers of migrations, people caught at the border, people turned away, the deals with Mexico, the remaining, all of this stuff, the numbers went sharply down.

00:08:33.000 Yes, sharply down.

00:08:34.000 It was directionally a successful.

00:08:36.000 Under the four years of Trump's administration, right?

00:08:38.000 He didn't get it to zero.

00:08:39.000 I'd have loved zero, but whatever.

00:08:42.000 Less is better than more when it comes to an invasion at the southern border.

00:08:46.000 So that experience showed them maybe this is not completely a done deal yet.

00:08:53.000 Maybe it's reversible.

00:08:54.000 Maybe there's still something left that they can do.

00:08:57.000 So we better scream bloody murder when they talk about it because talking about it leads to action and we don't want action.

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00:10:59.000 So if I hear you correctly, they know that there's only so much time they have to allow the demographics to change in this country before we notice.

00:11:08.000 And we might be right on that precipice.

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:10.000 I mean, look, we've noticed that that ship has sailed.

00:11:12.000 The noticing is over, right?

00:11:13.000 It's been noticed.

00:11:14.000 So now they've got to move to other parts of the world.

00:11:18.000 What is the next step then?

00:11:19.000 Well, right now it's just demonization.

00:11:20.000 It's terrible that you talk about this.

00:11:22.000 You must be a racist if you're concerned about the southern border. 0.55

00:11:25.000 And literally, only Nazis care about the southern border. 0.63

00:11:28.000 I mean, it gets that bad, right?

00:11:30.000 Whereas you go down to the southern border, why did the Rio Grande Valley, these Hispanic communities in South Texas, which, by the way, are not heavily immigrant, or that is to say that have been Hispanic for generations.

00:11:40.000 You're talking about like multi-generation.

00:11:42.000 They're American citizens of Hispanic descent. 0.55

00:11:45.000 And they went red because they're not in love with this border non-policy, right? 0.97

00:11:50.000 To say the least, right?

00:11:51.000 So starting to worry about it.

00:11:53.000 Now, look, I probably don't look at polls as much as other people here, but I've seen some of them.

00:11:58.000 And I heard some of the speakers here today.

00:12:00.000 And like the numbers in constituencies that the Democrats have been able to rely on for years and years and years, and that they need to not only vote in huge numbers for them, but to turn out in huge numbers for them, they're not looking great for them at the moment.

00:12:15.000 And this is partly due to their, must I say, their border non-policy, or non-enforcement of the law is in effect a policy, right?

00:12:23.000 It's just, well, we're not going to do anything.

00:12:24.000 And we're going to tell you that the border is secure.

00:12:26.000 So, you know, I think they look at this and they go, God, we don't have this in the bag yet, right?

00:12:31.000 It's the fourth quarter and we're up.

00:12:33.000 We're in the lead, but there's enough time that maybe these other guys can put enough points on the board.

00:12:38.000 And that makes us nervous.

00:12:39.000 So it's time to start screaming.

00:12:40.000 So using the California as an example, and I know this is a very difficult question.

00:12:43.000 It's more kind of a feel than it is a number. 1.00

00:12:46.000 But when do we reach the point of no return where they have enough third world people and they have successfully placed the Democrats? 0.92

00:12:53.000 I know it's a tough question. 1.00

00:12:54.000 I don't think anybody knows because I think the answer is we're not there yet.

00:12:54.000 I don't know.

00:12:58.000 Well, here's one answer.

00:12:59.000 I hope so.

00:13:00.000 So two guys, you know, left of center, center-left Democrats, in 2002, I think it was.

00:13:06.000 Anyway, close to 20 years ago, wrote a book called The Emerging Democratic Majority.

00:13:11.000 John Judas and Reed Texera.

00:13:13.000 I hope I didn't mispronounce his name.

00:13:15.000 And they said, they basically made the demographic case that, look, eventually because of legal immigration, the 65 Act, amnesties and so on and so forth, and also the way college educated and blue urban centers are going and certain suburbs are going, the Democrats are soon going to have a pretty much an electoral-proof majority.

00:13:34.000 They wrote this 20 years ago.

00:13:35.000 They have been back more recently since to say, you know what?

00:13:39.000 We might have jumped the gun on that.

00:13:41.000 What we predicted, maybe it'll still happen.

00:13:44.000 But when we were writing in 2002, we would have thought it would have been completely sealed up by now.

00:13:49.000 And then we're not seeing that.

00:13:50.000 And in part, we're not seeing that because constituencies that we predicted would remain solidly in the Democratic camp seem to be drifting away.

00:13:59.000 And that is still to me a big unknown, whether they will fully or substantially drift away and stay away and find a new home in the Republican Party or not.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, I mean, Hispanics are getting close to a 50-50 voting block, which throws a wrench into some of their predictions. 0.79

00:14:16.000 That would be a great thing for the Republican Party, and I think for the nation. 0.70

00:14:19.000 Either way, whether that happens or not, you still got to get control of the border.

00:14:22.000 I mean, you just absolutely have to control the border.

00:14:25.000 And I go further than that.

00:14:26.000 You know, I'm kind of tired of and bored.

00:14:29.000 I'm bored is too mild a word.

00:14:31.000 Sick of and frustrated with the old Republican line.

00:14:34.000 Well, of course I'm against illegal immigration, but I'm all for legal immigration.

00:14:39.000 Well, okay, I mean, how much, right?

00:14:41.000 That's the question.

00:14:41.000 How much legal immigration?

00:14:43.000 How many million a year are we going to let in legally?

00:14:45.000 And what, you know, in what economic sectors and so on will be most affected?

00:14:49.000 And we need to have that national conversation.

00:14:51.000 I'm of the view personally, and I've said this in print too, so I can say it again now.

00:14:55.000 I mean, didn't cancel me when I said it in the Washington Post.

00:14:58.000 You're not going to get me over it now.

00:14:59.000 That, you know, at three, whatever the number is, you know, I think the census says we're a country of 330 million.

00:15:05.000 That is to say, people living within the United States, not all of whom are citizens.

00:15:09.000 We don't know how many non-citizens live in the United States.

00:15:11.000 In any event, whether it's 330, 335, 340, 350, I don't know, but that sounds full to me. 0.69

00:15:17.000 It sounds pretty big. 1.00

00:15:19.000 And with devastated heartland communities, devastated industries, jobless and all kinds of domestic problems, I just don't think we need immigrants at all right now. 1.00

00:15:29.000 I think we should be at zero for a year. 1.00

00:15:30.000 I think we should be at zero for a while.

00:15:31.000 We need a cooling off period. 0.83

00:15:32.000 It's like after eating a big meal, you need time to digest it.

00:15:35.000 And do a lot of things in the meantime.

00:15:37.000 So I've got a lot of people.

00:15:39.000 Well, we need mass deportations.

00:15:41.000 I mean, the Biden wave, you know, what I've need to undo the Biden invasion.

00:15:46.000 Nobody knows what that number is either.

00:15:48.000 It's between 10 to 15 million.

00:15:50.000 Minimum five.

00:15:50.000 Once you know that when the government admits to five, then you know it's but by the end of the term, it'll be 10 to 15.

00:15:55.000 It's got to be more than five.

00:15:56.000 It's like for the longest time, you know, there was some Yale, I think it was Yale Pew Research, but whatever, it came out 15 or so years ago.

00:16:03.000 And they said, Well, we think there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.

00:16:06.000 This comes out, you know, around 2010, 2011, or something.

00:16:08.000 I thought, okay, that's very interesting.

00:16:10.000 And every year would go by, and more would come, more.

00:16:13.000 And that number was quoted over and over again.

00:16:15.000 Well, how can 11 years later it still be 11 million?

00:16:18.000 Did we stop everything?

00:16:19.000 And I'm like, no, there's no way.

00:16:20.000 It's got to be higher.

00:16:22.000 And I think you're right that unfortunately, some way has to be found, obviously, lawfully, humanely, to reverse the effects of the Biden wave, which is a policy of deliberate neglect for the Democratic Party's electoral interests and that corporate America is happy to go along with because they see it as a source of labor.

00:16:41.000 But let's cheap labor.

00:16:42.000 Let's tell the truth that there are major parts of the Republican Party that want unlimited legal immigration and they're passively against illegal immigration.

00:16:51.000 They're not even like it's kind of like, oh, well, it could be better organized.

00:16:55.000 I mean, in a way, though, I don't know how true that is anymore, just in the following sense that it was always those Republican corporate interests who took that line.

00:17:02.000 But as you know, as well as anybody, right?

00:17:05.000 The corporate interests are not really Republican anymore.

00:17:08.000 They drifted completely to the left.

00:17:10.000 Yeah, that's.

00:17:11.000 I mean, I worked for three different Fortune 50 companies over a period of about a dozen years.

00:17:17.000 And yeah, you'd meet a Republican occasionally.

00:17:19.000 But I can tell you the corporate culture in the C-suite and around there was very much, you know, had drifted Democrat.

00:17:25.000 Yes.

00:17:26.000 And is now overwhelmingly Democrat.

00:17:28.000 No, it's the orthodoxy.

00:17:30.000 That's right.

00:17:31.000 So it's not like the 80s anymore where you could kind of count on.

00:17:34.000 Is that a good thing?

00:17:35.000 Do you think that's a good thing?

00:17:36.000 If you were to go to the bottom of the bar, I mean, it's good and it's bad.

00:17:37.000 It means it means on the one hand, on the bad side of the ledger, it means, you know, you lose out on the donations.

00:17:42.000 You lose out on the influence that you would have.

00:17:44.000 You want any political party needs to have elites supporting it, elites on its side, because you just can't get anything done, not only in this country, but in any society without any elites on your side.

00:17:56.000 On the other hand, to the extent that these people, these business bigwigs and so on, formally abandon the Republican Party and adopt the Democratic Party, it means they have less of a hold on us, right?

00:18:07.000 Which is great, which has allowed us to have intellectual freedom.

00:18:10.000 Yeah.

00:18:10.000 So that's good.

00:18:11.000 But I'd like to see them replaced with some different elites.

00:18:14.000 I'd also just like to see somebody in big business in America step up and say, first of all, there's got to be some industries that don't benefit from illegal immigration.

00:18:22.000 I'd like to see them step up and say so.

00:18:24.000 Like, I don't benefit from this.

00:18:25.000 And I see how it's harming my country.

00:18:27.000 And so I'm going to side with you guys on this.

00:18:29.000 But then the other thing I'd like to see, this is an even bigger stretch, but it would be great, is somebody, some business leader say, you know what?

00:18:35.000 Even though my company might benefit from lax border policy or high legal immigration, because it means that it pushes down wages or it expands our market in a given sector.

00:18:45.000 Like Walmart.

00:18:45.000 And we get, like, even though we benefit from it, I still see that it's bad for the country.

00:18:49.000 And so I'm against it.

00:18:50.000 And I'm willing to, I am willing to sacrifice some portion of my company's bottom line.

00:18:57.000 Like, not go broke, not, you know, go into the negative territory.

00:19:01.000 I always say to people, they say, well, you know, if you, if you, what, what happens to certain products and things?

00:19:05.000 Like, what happens to food and produce if you don't have legal immigration?

00:19:09.000 You're going to pay a lot more for like an apple.

00:19:11.000 To which I say, by mean the fruit.

00:19:13.000 You know, they're not talking about the computers here.

00:19:16.000 Okay, I'll pay more.

00:19:17.000 How much more?

00:19:18.000 Right?

00:19:18.000 5%, 20%?

00:19:20.000 I don't know.

00:19:20.000 I'll pay that to have a secure border, to have a country in which totally pay that.

00:19:25.000 In which my fellow citizens can work and earn a living, in which they're not continually undercut by wave after wave after wave of cheap labor.

00:19:32.000 Like, yeah, I'll pay more.

00:19:33.000 But we, it's also a lie because we end up paying more in taxes for social services.

00:19:36.000 I'm sure I know that's true.

00:19:37.000 I read the studies.

00:19:38.000 I know that's true. 0.99

00:19:39.000 But even on its own terms, the argument is dumb. 0.99

00:19:41.000 Yeah, of course. 0.99

00:19:44.000 Is all we care about?

00:19:45.000 The money is all we care about is the lowest.

00:19:47.000 This is one of the arguments that they like to use.

00:19:49.000 They say, well, pivoting slightly from immigration to trade, they're like, oh, Trump's trade policy is terrible.

00:19:56.000 It's going to drive up the price of consumer goods. 0.99

00:19:58.000 Like, nothing has ever been cheaper.

00:20:00.000 You know, buying stuff at Walmart and Best Buy or wherever.

00:20:02.000 The box stores has never been cheaper.

00:20:04.000 And that's great for the consumers.

00:20:05.000 Like, oh, that's, I totally, that's great.

00:20:07.000 However, if the consumer doesn't have money in his pocket to go pay that bill, what good is it?

00:20:12.000 Right?

00:20:12.000 He's got to have a job.

00:20:13.000 He's got to have an industry that he can work in, that his family can work in, that his children can work in, that supports the town he lives in, right?

00:20:20.000 If the town just gets kind of hollowed out and gutted and the mill closes and everything closes, but there's a box store out there you can buy stuff on with what money?

00:20:27.000 Either nothing or some kind of government support.

00:20:30.000 So there's a trade-off somewhere between lower prices and consumer goods, but also industries that support jobs and put money in people's pockets.

00:20:38.000 And I don't, and I think we just tipped the balance completely over on this notion that, well, cheap goods are everything because that serves certain interests, but it doesn't serve the interests of the country over the long term.

00:20:49.000 You mentioned that you want to see more elites or people of power start to put country over profit.

00:20:55.000 You know, we see a little bit of movement in Elon Musk.

00:20:58.000 We see other going back 100 years ago, Rockefeller, Mellon, you know, they get demonized, but they love the country.

00:21:04.000 They gave back.

00:21:05.000 Is this, I mean, you know, American history very well.

00:21:07.000 Is this the first time we've had the wealthiest, best connected actively use their resources, their donations to actually go against the country, a top-down revolution?

00:21:16.000 Have we survived something like this before?

00:21:18.000 No.

00:21:18.000 But can we?

00:21:19.000 They don't see it that way.

00:21:21.000 What they think is that, you know, they're all global companies.

00:21:26.000 I'm sure that's not how they see it, but they may have been founded here, but we have to think about our global responsibilities and our global customers and our global employees and all of this.

00:21:36.000 And the other thing, I do think that they're very short-sighted that in what is going on in the country right now is not sustainable.

00:21:47.000 And that if it goes on and it has the results that I think that would have to have, these people are going to suffer.

00:21:54.000 And I wonder, like, if I can see it, why can't you see it?

00:21:57.000 You guys are all much richer than me.

00:21:58.000 So that's interesting.

00:21:59.000 So, Tucker has a different twist on this.

00:22:02.000 He's like, oh, they're just going to go to Auckland or Zurich and they'll be fine.

00:22:04.000 You're like, no, actually, they will.

00:22:06.000 Is the whole elite class?

00:22:07.000 Is like all of Wall Street going to go to Auckland?

00:22:10.000 No, but I mean, you know, I'm sure there are some people who think Larry Fink will go to Auckland.

00:22:13.000 Yeah, but the next 10,000 employees might not.

00:22:16.000 Listen, this is using an example.

00:22:19.000 We're before a live audience.

00:22:20.000 I will mention, feel free to boo and hiss at what I'm about to say.

00:22:23.000 I actually worked at BlackRock, so I know something about Black Rock.

00:22:26.000 How dare you, corporate raider?

00:22:28.000 I know, I know, I know.

00:22:30.000 Listen, Larry Fink will not be happy if he has to up, you know, do a mark rich and flee to Zurich, right?

00:22:36.000 Larry Fink is happy running the world's largest asset manager.

00:22:38.000 Yeah, $10 trillion man.

00:22:40.000 And that's only possible in a functioning financial sector in the United States. 0.68

00:22:44.000 And so Larry Fink is obviously not a dumb guy.

00:22:48.000 This company did not exist until he founded it in 1988, and now it's the world's largest asset. 1.00

00:22:52.000 You don't do that if you're stupid. 1.00

00:22:54.000 And yet, I wonder, like, are you so short-sighted that you can't see? 1.00

00:22:57.000 Then explain the psychology then.

00:22:59.000 I mean, I've had this conversation so many times, including with friends of mine from BlackRock or formerly with BlackRock.

00:23:07.000 You know, I don't fully get it, but I think it comes down to this desire.

00:23:12.000 It's like, it's not good enough for a guy like Fink to, you know, to have the first line in his obituary, you know, Larry Fink, who founded BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager, which within a couple of decades, that's a momentous achievement for anyone.

00:23:25.000 It's not good enough for him.

00:23:26.000 He needs to be remembered as a good guy who made positive change, right?

00:23:30.000 And he knows that the only way you get those kinds of accolades is you got to get behind causes the left cares about.

00:23:36.000 ESG.

00:23:37.000 Yeah.

00:23:37.000 He is kind of the well, he was.

00:23:39.000 He seems to be backing away from it.

00:23:41.000 I don't know how to be unapologetic.

00:23:42.000 A couple years ago, he was.

00:23:44.000 He was mean about it.

00:23:45.000 Don't know if the backing away is sincere or how far it's gone.

00:23:50.000 Or maybe he wants to still control West Virginia Pension Fund and ESG's.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, it's a problem for that.

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:56.000 It's just, it has caused some money out.

00:24:01.000 You know, exactly.

00:24:01.000 But you and I both know, everybody who's listening knows that like you do not get any acolytes from high society in Manhattan or Washington or San Francisco or LA or anywhere else where the elites congregate by pushing these kinds of nationalist conversations.

00:24:16.000 No, the opposite.

00:24:17.000 You don't get points.

00:24:18.000 You get ostracized, you get attacked.

00:24:19.000 Whereas you get lionized for, I mean, I just today, you know, I noticed this.

00:24:24.000 I thought it was weird, right?

00:24:26.000 I got here a little early.

00:24:27.000 I went to the hotel gym.

00:24:28.000 They have a big TV on.

00:24:29.000 They're showing a lot of NFL games and they're kind of cutting from this game to the other thing.

00:24:32.000 And I noticed that in the end zone of every game I saw, there's some woke slogan.

00:24:36.000 And I thought, that's interesting.

00:24:37.000 I know they were all doing this in 2021, like right after the summer of Floyd NBA went really all in, but I thought it had kind of peaked and passed.

00:24:46.000 And I sent some texts to some friends.

00:24:47.000 I'm like, what's going on?

00:24:48.000 They're like, eh, you know, it's a little, it's down from the peak a little bit, but it's still out there.

00:24:53.000 And it's kind of more up to the individual teams if they want to do it.

00:24:55.000 But it seems like, you know, and when we talk about, I mean, the NFL.

00:24:59.000 End racism.

00:24:59.000 Right.

00:25:00.000 Okay.

00:25:00.000 The NFL.

00:25:01.000 So not that I know a great deal about it, but this is a pretty masculine, testosterone-driven, you know, bone-crushing game.

00:25:07.000 You think this is kind of one of the least likely places where they'd be like, yeah, let's go all in with a kind of Nambi-Pamby left-wing agenda.

00:25:14.000 And yet, but it's also the biggest sports business in America by far, right?

00:25:19.000 And big business knows they got to be all in.

00:25:21.000 Or they feel.

00:25:22.000 Advertiser dollars for all.

00:25:24.000 And I doubt anybody in the stands gives a damn.

00:25:26.000 I bet the stands are like 10%.

00:25:27.000 I'm all for that.

00:25:29.000 Maybe 20, 30% wild guests are like, I hate this stuff.

00:25:33.000 And then the rest are just like, I just want to watch a game.

00:25:35.000 And the same with the TV audience.

00:25:36.000 So it's not like they feel like, well, we have to do this because 90% of our fans and our viewers, or even 50%, are into it.

00:25:42.000 Or when NASCAR does it, like it's like there's a really vocal 10%.

00:25:46.000 But then there's the people who aren't even fans who can put pressure on your business and determine how you are viewed and what your reputation is and your stature in the elite community.

00:25:56.000 And they go, wow, we got to pander to those people because they actually have power.

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00:26:52.000 And so do you see an attitude change amongst the quote-unquote elites?

00:26:59.000 Is there hope on the horizon there?

00:27:01.000 Well, so I left BlackRock to go work for President Trump in 2017 and surprisingly have not been invited back into the C-suites of corporate programmes.

00:27:11.000 He teaches at Hillsdale now, by the way.

00:27:12.000 So now I'm a college professor.

00:27:15.000 So I'm a little bit out of touch with the elite that I used to hobnob with when I was a Manhattan corporate drone for 12 years.

00:27:23.000 So I don't know.

00:27:25.000 I see them backing off what I guess what I don't, at least from what I read in the headlines, what I don't really know is, is it just a tactical like, hey, let's lay low for a while until this blows over and then we'll get right back on it?

00:27:34.000 Or is it like, ah, we actually kind of got burned and we learned a lesson?

00:27:38.000 It's hard to say, right?

00:27:39.000 Like, I don't think Disney has decided that it's going to change course.

00:27:43.000 They're dug in and they want to fight.

00:27:44.000 Anheuser-Busch apparently really does feel stung, and they just can't figure out how to fix that debacle.

00:27:49.000 Yeah, it just is ongoing.

00:27:50.000 It's like the remedy is worse than even the.

00:27:52.000 I mean, I can tell you this from what I can tell from the numbers and the viewership and everything.

00:27:56.000 Like the NFL is not suffering from this at all.

00:27:59.000 They're not paying a price.

00:28:00.000 You remember when Nike, you know, they went all in on Colin Coward.

00:28:04.000 Colin Kaepernick, who was like a mediocre quarterback from my hometown football team in San Francisco, 49.

00:28:09.000 And then got cut.

00:28:09.000 And it got cut.

00:28:10.000 And he went on.

00:28:10.000 And we all thought, and then, you know, Nike launched this huge ad campaign just around him.

00:28:15.000 They were going to, Nike was going to put out like this patriotic shoe with the Betsy Ross, you know, stars on it.

00:28:20.000 And he objected, saying, I don't want anything patriotic in American because America is slavery.

00:28:23.000 And Nike canceled the shoe just because this one guy mouthed off.

00:28:27.000 And many of us thought, oh, that's it.

00:28:28.000 You know, that's Nike's going to go into decline.

00:28:31.000 It hasn't.

00:28:32.000 So the phrase was, I think, a hopeful phrase, like, go woke, go broke.

00:28:35.000 And for a long time, you could go woke and you suffered no consequences.

00:28:39.000 What we saw in 2023, really, for the first time, is companies actually paying a price because conservatives are wonderful.

00:28:45.000 But so, Mike, I have to press pause here because remember, you said, I want one person who runs their business to put the country above profit.

00:28:53.000 But what we see at some of these companies is they're putting something above profit.

00:28:57.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:28:57.000 So help me understand that.

00:28:59.000 I think it's both a combination of true belief, just, you know, you don't get to anymore, I don't think you don't get to be a CEO in America in a big company without maybe there are certain exceptions, but they're overwhelmingly Ivy League. 0.59

00:29:16.000 They're overwhelmingly from the Blue Coasts.

00:29:18.000 Or if they're not, they're some talented kid from the middle of the country who then went to the Blue Coast and then got completely indoctrinated into the Blue Coast way of thinking.

00:29:27.000 And by the time you're, you know, you're made a CEO, like you've been swimming in that pool for 20, 30 years, and you just believe.

00:29:34.000 You also know that there's a lot of activist pressure on you to do this kind of thing.

00:29:38.000 And there's really very little activist pressure on you to be anti-woke or neutral.

00:29:42.000 You also, this is a part of it that I think people insufficiently appreciate, the extent to which, you know, 50, 55-year-old CEOs making $10 million, $20 million a year are afraid of their 20-something most junior most employees in the HR department.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, the same or just everywhere because they'll Twitter mob you.

00:30:03.000 The same way, you know, every college president is deathly afraid of under, I mean, not Larry Aaron, just to be clear, but every other college president in America, he's the president of Hillsdale, is afraid of undergraduates.

00:30:16.000 Like, you know, what's going on when you're the president of Harvard or whatever?

00:30:21.000 Yeah, well, that's a perfect segue.

00:30:22.000 I was going to go there. 0.95

00:30:22.000 So here's President Gay. 0.95

00:30:23.000 She's obviously not very smart. 1.00

00:30:25.000 She only has the job because she's black. 1.00

00:30:26.000 She's a plagiarist, all this sort of stuff, right? 0.97

00:30:28.000 So she's at this hearing and she had to make a decision, a conscious decision.

00:30:33.000 Whom do I fear most?

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:35.000 This is like kind of the subtext, the buried lead of this whole hearing, right?

00:30:40.000 So she had to make a choice because she obviously had the best law firm in D.C. that preps for this stuff, you know, $3,000 an hour. 0.78

00:30:45.000 And I'm sure at some point, so who do you fear most?

00:30:47.000 Do you fear the students?

00:30:49.000 Do you fear the administration?

00:30:51.000 Do you fear the professors or the donors or the alumni?

00:30:54.000 And she chose, I fear the radical students and professors more than the alumni and the donors.

00:31:01.000 Help me understand that.

00:31:02.000 Well, okay, first of all, I think that she was chosen to be president of Harvard, not because she was susceptible to pressure, but because they knew the Harvard, can you believe this?

00:31:12.000 I think they're still called the Board of Overseers.

00:31:13.000 I wonder.

00:31:14.000 They have all these, think about that one.

00:31:16.000 Brown is like a corporate board.

00:31:18.000 Board of Overseers. 0.82

00:31:19.000 How long can that possibly last?

00:31:21.000 Well, anyway, it's still there.

00:31:23.000 Harvard, I think they chose her because they're like, well, she's a true believer.

00:31:27.000 Like, we don't, we're picking her because she's completely all in for this agenda. 0.98

00:31:33.000 Second of all, when you have, I think Harvard's endowment, you know, with very market, it's $49,500 billion.

00:31:38.000 Like, okay, so one Bill Ackman walks away, you're like, well, all right, there's more where that came from.

00:31:43.000 And in fact, if I don't get another donation for the next 12 months, I'm going to be fine.

00:31:47.000 In fact, you know, others have proved Harvard could run itself completely just on the money without taking tuition, just on the money that the endowment throws off.

00:31:58.000 It's a hedge fund with a university attached.

00:32:00.000 So she doesn't feel that much pressure there, right?

00:32:03.000 And in fact, there hasn't been, look, don't get me wrong.

00:32:06.000 I'm enormously encouraged by the donor reaction against Harvard, against Penn, against all of these schools, right?

00:32:12.000 But there hasn't been a cascade away yet, right?

00:32:15.000 Bill Ackman's making a lot of noise.

00:32:17.000 A lot of other people are making noise against Harvard and against certain other schools.

00:32:20.000 But I will bet you right now, there are people in the giving or whatever they call those offices, the development offices and the people that run the endowment.

00:32:28.000 They're looking at the numbers and they're probably telling her, don't worry, we're still okay.

00:32:32.000 So it's not time to be afraid now.

00:32:37.000 And let's say that the revolt got to a fever pitch.

00:32:42.000 It would be interesting to see actually what she would choose.

00:32:45.000 But I think there is some truth to that she really fears the radical student body.

00:32:50.000 Is it that she fears them or is it that she fundamentally agrees with them?

00:32:53.000 I don't actually.

00:32:54.000 I lean toward the latter explanation.

00:32:55.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess Mary, maybe Larry Summers would have feared them, right?

00:32:59.000 Well, you know, that's a great.

00:33:01.000 So what happened to Larry Summers?

00:33:02.000 This was either 2005 or 2002.

00:33:04.000 Former Treasury Secretary, I'm pretty sure a Harvard alum.

00:33:07.000 He definitely had been on the Harvard faculty.

00:33:09.000 And then, you know, Harvard.

00:33:11.000 Time in government is over.

00:33:13.000 He goes back to the economics department, eventually becomes president of Harvard.

00:33:16.000 And he basically makes a pretty banal anodyne observation, you know, on the question of, well, why don't we have more women in like the, you know, theoreticals, you know, as theoretical physicists or high-end mathematicians.

00:33:28.000 And he basically said, well, you know, women's academic interests tend to be different. 1.00

00:33:33.000 And he made a comment about where the, you know, to be a theoretical, I mean, my, just my wife, I'll just mention this, went to Harvard and was a physics major.

00:33:41.000 So I know something about Harvard and physics and women, okay?

00:33:44.000 To be a really successful theoretical physicist, you got to be way over in the crazy, you know, what they call the Pareto principle curve.

00:33:52.000 Yeah.

00:33:53.000 You know, the right tail, where it's like IQ is so high that they're just, they're just so they deal in abstractions more than anything else.

00:34:00.000 And Larry Summers just said, look, when it comes to this category, like there's more men, and there's still, like, you're still talking about like a couple of the hundreds or whatever it can be done.

00:34:09.000 We're talking about a tiny, tiny population, but there's just more men than there are women in that. 0.88

00:34:14.000 And they lost it.

00:34:15.000 And Larry Summers, who's a, remember, he was in a treasury secretary in the Clinton administration, right?

00:34:20.000 Lifelong Democrat.

00:34:21.000 Not a far left guy, but a liberal, right?

00:34:24.000 And I think he thought he was saying something that was just sort of whatever, a normal observation, and everything blew up.

00:34:30.000 That's right.

00:34:30.000 And he was forced to resign.

00:34:31.000 They ran him out.

00:34:32.000 So I want everyone to understand, time out.

00:34:34.000 They ran out a university president over a vanilla factual comment based on just sex differences between male and female. 1.00

00:34:42.000 And they won't run out President Gay when she did what she said. 1.00

00:34:46.000 You know, although it's kind of fun to watch Harvard squirm. 0.58

00:34:49.000 Yeah, like Summers has said as a former president that he's appalled at what he has seen.

00:34:54.000 Yes.

00:34:54.000 I appreciate him saying that, right?

00:34:56.000 I mean, look, to which I appreciate him saying that too, although the flip side of that for me is, well, President Summers, let's talk about the policy, your own admissions policies that have led you to a student body that's like this and the policies that Harvard has supported throughout the years that has led the university to go so far to the left, which some of that happened on your watch.

00:35:17.000 So yes, I support, I'm glad you said that, but you need to own up to the extent to which you're partly responsible, which is not trivial.

00:35:24.000 This is a great segue to a topic I want to kind of close on.

00:35:26.000 I don't know how we're doing on time though.

00:35:27.000 Let me know.

00:35:28.000 You teach at Hillsdale.

00:35:29.000 Hillsdale is America's greatest college.

00:35:31.000 They are a huge supporter of ours on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:35:34.000 People go to charlieforhillsdale.com.

00:35:36.000 We have directed tens of thousands of people to take the online courses.

00:35:39.000 I've taken half of them.

00:35:41.000 Talk about what Hillsdale is, what college ought to be.

00:35:44.000 This is something I think we have to do a better job explaining.

00:35:47.000 So, Hillsdale, first of all, it is a college, a real college that was founded in 1844.

00:35:52.000 It is a private Christian non-denominational college.

00:35:56.000 It was founded by Free Will Baptists.

00:35:58.000 And I don't know exactly the year I should know this, but when they decided to kind of make it more open, like it's still a Christian college, but not non-denominational.

00:36:06.000 It famously became, I want to say in 1974, the first college in America to not take any federal money and not even to accept a federally backed student loan.

00:36:17.000 That's the key.

00:36:18.000 Because you could say, well, I'm not going to take any of your money.

00:36:20.000 I'm not going to take a research grant or whatever.

00:36:22.000 But if one kid there has a federally backed student loan, then all these federal regulations apply to you.

00:36:28.000 And Hillsdale said, we just don't want you messing with us.

00:36:30.000 So we're going to find a way to do this on our own.

00:36:32.000 And they raise a lot of money.

00:36:35.000 And, you know, they're obviously not nearly as big as Harvard.

00:36:39.000 And I think the endowment is about $1 billion as opposed to $50 billion.

00:36:42.000 It's still a big number.

00:36:42.000 It's a big number, and it allows the college to be completely financially independent.

00:36:47.000 Now, the federal government is going after the college right now on Title IX.

00:36:50.000 I don't think the lawyers at the college really want me talking about it, but you can read about it.

00:36:54.000 And there was a good, I will point you to an article by, oh, I can't remember his name, but anyway, it was an article in the Wall Street Journal from about a month ago that went into the issue and quoted the president of the college and the general counsel of the college extensively.

00:37:07.000 But look, aside from being Christian, non-denominational, it's basically, I mean, it's a full-blown liberal arts college.

00:37:13.000 That is to say, it's got every department.

00:37:15.000 It's got humanities, it's got social sciences, it's got the hard sciences.

00:37:18.000 If you want to go to Hillsdale to be a chemistry major, you can do that.

00:37:21.000 There's a chemistry department, there's a math department, there's a biology department, there's all that stuff.

00:37:26.000 It's known for its politics department, I would say above all, maybe politics, history, English.

00:37:32.000 It's been very strong in those categories for a long time.

00:37:35.000 And it just teaches you the basic stuff, like without any kind of woke admixture.

00:37:41.000 The president of the college, who I've known for 30 years now and who is a conservative, a self-avowed conservative, has said, you know, there are a lot of faculty members here.

00:37:49.000 I don't really know what their politics are.

00:37:51.000 And I don't care.

00:37:52.000 As long as I know they're teaching their subject matter in a straight up way that conveys information to students and develops their mind, it's fine with me if these guys turn out to be a little bit left of center or even significantly left of center.

00:38:07.000 Now, Hillsdale is unusual for a college in that it really conservative.

00:38:12.000 I mean, you go to the school, you meet the kids, you meet the faculty, right?

00:38:16.000 There isn't, it's the opposite of that overwhelming liberal atmosphere that you get almost anywhere else.

00:38:21.000 But it's not like you can't be a liberal at Hillsdale.

00:38:24.000 It's fine.

00:38:25.000 There's a campus Democrats club.

00:38:27.000 I've had some of the kids from the Democrats Club in my classes, and they're just as good a student as the other kids, you know?

00:38:33.000 And I try to treat them, I absolutely treat them the way I feel that I was treated in college.

00:38:38.000 So I went to a liberal college and I became a conservative in college.

00:38:41.000 And, you know, I took on my professors and papers and in classes sometimes.

00:38:45.000 And I don't feel like, this was a long time ago, probably wouldn't happen now, that I ever got a bad grade for that.

00:38:51.000 And if some kid, I always say to them, hey, take me on.

00:38:53.000 You know, if you think you know what I think and you want to argue that I'm wrong about something, I usually give you, just for the, just for the chutzpah of making the attempt, you get an extra third of a grade.

00:39:03.000 You know, go for it.

00:39:05.000 And many of them do.

00:39:06.000 And I appreciate that.

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00:40:14.000 Now, a couple thoughts on Hillsdale, though.

00:40:17.000 The actual constitution of Hillsdale and what success looks like at Hillsdale is a lot different than the modern college.

00:40:25.000 It's about developing people of good character.

00:40:28.000 It's in the classical model.

00:40:30.000 It's a lot different than the administrative state model that has really infected most higher education.

00:40:35.000 Can you elaborate on and explain it?

00:40:38.000 Yeah, part of it is that it's small.

00:40:40.000 It's a liberal arts college, so the student body is usually about 1,600.

00:40:43.000 You get a real sense of community there that you probably don't or can't get at a big university, much less a big state university.

00:40:49.000 Nothing against them.

00:40:50.000 I went to one, but it's different because it is Christian.

00:40:55.000 There's a sense of community there.

00:40:56.000 The college, say recently, I should know off the top of my head exactly what year, but within the last five years, built a brand new chapel.

00:41:04.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

00:41:05.000 It's beautiful.

00:41:05.000 It's one of the most beautiful.

00:41:07.000 It shows you that building right in the center of campus.

00:41:10.000 Right.

00:41:10.000 Demonstrates that architecture doesn't have to be terrible.

00:41:14.000 It doesn't have to just be glass boxes and steel beams or Frank Gary monstrosities with curved walls.

00:41:20.000 They built this chapel, and you look, if I didn't tell you that it wasn't part of the college from the beginning, you wouldn't know.

00:41:27.000 You might be able to tell just by looking at it, like there doesn't seem to be much wear and tear here, right?

00:41:30.000 As opposed to Central Hall, which goes back to the 19th century.

00:41:33.000 But the style is the same.

00:41:35.000 And the whole college can convene in that chapel, and they do often.

00:41:40.000 So there is a real sense of community.

00:41:43.000 I'm certain also that there's a self-selecting effect among the students, right?

00:41:47.000 They know what they want, or their parents definitely do.

00:41:52.000 And they know what they're kind of getting in for.

00:41:54.000 And, you know, they know that it's not going to be a kind of place where you go and you live over here and you just take your classes and you have no interaction with fellow students or with faculty or with the administration.

00:42:07.000 I mean, I go to teach sometimes.

00:42:10.000 And, you know, like I said, I've known the president for years.

00:42:12.000 The last time I was there, I got in touch with him and said, I'm going to be in town.

00:42:17.000 Let's get together.

00:42:17.000 He says, okay, just come have lunch with me in the dining hall.

00:42:20.000 And the two.

00:42:20.000 He sits with students.

00:42:21.000 Tudors just sit down at a big table and they're all walking by going, Hi, Dr. Arn.

00:42:25.000 Hey, how are you?

00:42:25.000 Can I take this chair?

00:42:26.000 I'll stop and talk to him.

00:42:28.000 He said, he's there.

00:42:28.000 I mean, he's on the road a lot because he's a busy guy and he raises a lot of money.

00:42:32.000 But when he's there, he's there.

00:42:34.000 And he teaches.

00:42:35.000 You could take his classes.

00:42:36.000 It's an Aristotle course.

00:42:37.000 He's just not, he's not the detached president.

00:42:39.000 Like, he wants to keep that alive.

00:42:41.000 And so he, every semester when he can, he teaches the class.

00:42:45.000 So here's my theory, which, and this is my theory.

00:42:49.000 This is why I don't think Hillsdale can be replicated.

00:42:51.000 Yeah.

00:42:52.000 Is that it's as much about Dr. Arne as it is Hillsdale.

00:42:56.000 Well, my thing, look, remember, the college existed.

00:42:58.000 He teached.

00:42:58.000 No, no, but it wasn't excellent.

00:43:00.000 He took over in a big scandal.

00:43:02.000 I don't want to get into that.

00:43:02.000 Yeah, okay.

00:43:03.000 The college had been around for 140, 56 years before.

00:43:07.000 It was similar to other liberal arts schools.

00:43:10.000 There's no question that he made it better, but I think he would be the first to push back on that notion.

00:43:14.000 He was humble.

00:43:15.000 The college is bigger than me.

00:43:16.000 The college is going to have to be able to.

00:43:17.000 But here's my theory, though, is that the faculty respect him.

00:43:21.000 They do.

00:43:22.000 Whereas other college presidents, they might be from the business world, like Larry Summers or whatever.

00:43:26.000 Like, what's their dissertation on?

00:43:28.000 You know, what do they Larry Arn can play ball with almost every department?

00:43:32.000 For sure.

00:43:34.000 I would say that the hard part, in my estimation, I'm not speaking for the college here, of replicating Hillsdale is: okay, where are you going to find 200 faculty that good?

00:43:44.000 That's right.

00:43:45.000 It's hard to do given the poor quality of graduate education over the last generation.

00:43:51.000 We're not, you're not, you know, even if you just focused on the Ivy Leagues, the most prestigious universities in America, or the top, you know, five public universities, Berkeley, Ann Arbor, Chapel Hill, Virginia, and so on, right?

00:44:07.000 And they're turning out tons of PhDs, right?

00:44:09.000 How many of them are good enough or just have the right foundation to teach at Hillsdale?

00:44:15.000 Some of these people are actually pretty good in their very particular, you know, hard science or STEMI thing.

00:44:21.000 I mean, I wouldn't trust any, though, you know, historian or social scientist or English professor, let's say, coming out of the Ivy League right now to teach at a place like Hillsdale.

00:44:30.000 I shouldn't maybe be so categorical.

00:44:32.000 There could be somebody.

00:44:33.000 But let's imagine trying to be that person.

00:44:36.000 So let's say, you know, I think the number one English department in the country, according to the rankings, is still for Williams?

00:44:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:44:43.000 No, I mean for graduates, for PhDs.

00:44:45.000 Got it.

00:44:45.000 Okay.

00:44:46.000 So you get a Berkeley PhD in English.

00:44:48.000 You can kind of, if there's academic jobs, you're going to go right to the top of the list in terms of consideration, right?

00:44:54.000 How many of those people like know the kinds of books?

00:44:56.000 Hillsdale is going to say, okay, guess what?

00:44:59.000 You're going to be teaching Milton.

00:45:00.000 You're going to be teaching Chaucer.

00:45:01.000 You're going to be teaching Shakespeare.

00:45:03.000 In America, it's going to be like Melville, Twain, Hawthorne.

00:45:07.000 Austin.

00:45:08.000 How many of these people know that stuff?

00:45:10.000 I, you know, I've been interested in Berkeley for a project I'm working on.

00:45:15.000 I'm just kind of like browsing the websites.

00:45:17.000 And I like, let's look at the English department, the roster of grad students.

00:45:21.000 I think there's currently like 50 or 60 working on their PhDs.

00:45:24.000 And you look at like, they'll have in the student profile page, like, what are they working on?

00:45:27.000 And it's always like gender studies and the intersection with blah, And like almost none of them just say, I'm working on the Canterbury Tales or I'm studying, you know, Shakespeare's history plays or something like real old-fashioned, traditional, like what you want an English professor to be. 0.81

00:45:42.000 And Hillsdale is just not going to hire somebody just because they're from an elite school who did some dumb woke topic.

00:45:50.000 So you can answer this question personally or broadly, if you so choose.

00:45:54.000 Should parents send their kids to college in its current form if it's not Hillsdale?

00:46:00.000 Okay.

00:46:01.000 It's totally a decision for every parent and every kid to make.

00:46:05.000 And it's a really hard question to answer.

00:46:07.000 I don't want to give you a blanket no and I don't want to give you a blanket yes.

00:46:10.000 Just walk us through it then.

00:46:11.000 There are places you can go.

00:46:13.000 I don't think there are no colleges where the totality of the experience are going to be what Hillsdale offers.

00:46:19.000 There might be a few. 1.00

00:46:21.000 A little small Christian.

00:46:24.000 There's a great books college out here. 0.94

00:46:26.000 There's great books colleges.

00:46:26.000 There's Thomas Aquinas College, which is really good.

00:46:30.000 And now has two campuses, one in California, one in Massachusetts.

00:46:33.000 There's Grove City, there's Patrick Henry in Virginia.

00:46:36.000 So there are some out there.

00:46:37.000 It's not a huge group, not a huge network, but there are some.

00:46:40.000 Then there are also still colleges where even if the overall university isn't what you'd want it to be, there are really good departments and programs and there are three or four professors.

00:46:51.000 You go in and you know, I'm going to study X and there are these four people that I need to be taking classes from and you do the requirements on the rest and you don't get sucked in.

00:47:00.000 Okay.

00:47:01.000 That could be worth it.

00:47:02.000 I'm not going to rule out for some parents.

00:47:04.000 Like if you can, if your kid is ambitious, you can get your kid into an Ivy League school and you think they can navigate it without getting corrupted.

00:47:11.000 That's the key.

00:47:12.000 Look, I hate what the Ivy League has become.

00:47:15.000 It's a tragedy for our country.

00:47:17.000 And yet the elite is still overwhelmingly drawn from these schools.

00:47:20.000 And if we decide to say we're never going to send any of our kids there again, we're leaving potential on the table, sadly speaking.

00:47:31.000 Sad as that is.

00:47:32.000 No, but the Harvard pass gets you into rooms that you would never be able to get into.

00:47:38.000 It's a credential.

00:47:39.000 It is a credential, and it's still a powerful.

00:47:41.000 I mean, we'll see how much of it gets chipped away by recent events.

00:47:44.000 I think the reputation took a hit.

00:47:46.000 I mean, it didn't zero out.

00:47:48.000 Harvard has a long way down to go before it zeroes out, but it took a hit, and that'll hurt.

00:47:52.000 In closing here, Michael, you came on our program before, and I've seen your public writings where you say, I love President Trump, love what he's done, but I have some concern.

00:48:00.000 You don't see it coming to him to be able to win in 24.

00:48:04.000 Do you still feel that way?

00:48:05.000 Yeah, I do.

00:48:06.000 But if I'm summarizing incorrectly, keep in mind, I'm a total doomer, so I could be wrong.

00:48:11.000 I just think that what I fear, and I wrote all this up, I'll plug one of my own pieces.

00:48:16.000 This was in Compact, an online magazine from I think August or anyway, the summer of 22.

00:48:20.000 So it's about 18 months old now.

00:48:22.000 I just think that the forces against it have so many high cards to play in the deck that they've got a lot of options as to how to make this thing not happen, right?

00:48:32.000 You look at what they did in 2020, the Zuckerberg, before you even get to voting night and whatever the heck happened on voting night or with machines and all of that.

00:48:38.000 The Zuckerbucks, the tech censorship, stifling the Hunter Biden, you know, the ballot harvesting, the rule changes, all this stuff.

00:48:47.000 All this is detailed, by the way, in Molly Hemingway's very fine book called Rigged.

00:48:50.000 And what she means, she does stop talking about rigged like people want to think, well, here's a box of ballots that's pouring in there on election night.

00:48:55.000 She's like, no, it was already rigged before that.

00:48:57.000 And I think she proves her case reasonably well.

00:49:00.000 So I look at that and I go, gosh, that's a hard, that's a tough hill to climb.

00:49:04.000 How's he going to get over that?

00:49:05.000 And then I look at, this is where I get a little bit crazier.

00:49:08.000 I look at what people in charge of the United States have said.

00:49:11.000 And they basically said, under no circumstances can Donald Trump be allowed to be president again.

00:49:15.000 Now, you know, when I hear under no circumstance, I think you're kind of willing.

00:49:18.000 That means you're willing to stop at nothing, right?

00:49:20.000 And that's what they seem to be saying: that like we would be justified in doing anything to prevent this.

00:49:28.000 And I look at that and I go, okay, well, including assassination?

00:49:31.000 Well, assassination.

00:49:32.000 I, I, I, assassination.

00:49:37.000 No, I doubt.

00:49:38.000 I mean, there's anytime you say something categorical, there's always an exception.

00:49:41.000 No, I know.

00:49:41.000 I'm just.

00:49:42.000 There's always somebody who would go that far, right?

00:49:44.000 But I'm just, I'm just that the blanket term, under no circumstance, right?

00:49:47.000 Some kind of, you know, legal, some kind of invocation of, let's say, the insurrection clause and the 14th Amendment, get the courts involved, maybe get some security state involved, and just say, we're not going to let you take the oath.

00:50:00.000 And then when they control the government, how does the president overcome that?

00:50:04.000 I just don't think we're in normal times.

00:50:05.000 Like what happened in 2016 is they were utterly shocked and unprepared.

00:50:10.000 And the whole thing, you know, they learned a lesson from that is we're not going to be shocked and we're not going to be unprepared again.

00:50:16.000 And so I really, I do, again, I'm a doomer.

00:50:19.000 My very best friends think I'm insane.

00:50:21.000 So factor all that in.

00:50:23.000 I mean, they still talk to me.

00:50:23.000 They are my best friends, but they think I'm crazy.

00:50:25.000 They think it's kind of funny.

00:50:26.000 But I just have a fear that 2024 is going to be a fairly tumultuous year.

00:50:31.000 And the month of November is going to be exceptionally tumultuous.

00:50:35.000 And if I may give anyone advice, like there are a handful of places you really don't want to be on election night 2024.

00:50:41.000 And D.C. is one of them and Manhattan's another.

00:50:45.000 Michael Anton San Francisco.

00:50:46.000 How great is Michael Anton?

00:50:48.000 Wasn't that great?

00:50:48.000 Thank you so much, man.

00:50:49.000 Thank you.

00:50:53.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:50:55.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:50:58.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:50:59.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 21, 2023

The Great Replacement is Real, and Here's the Proof

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