The Charlie Kirk Show - The Great SCIF Scam

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00:01:30.000 Joining us now is a great man.

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00:01:36.000 It's Congressman Thomas Massey.

00:01:38.000 Congressman, thank you for taking the time.

00:01:40.000 Congressman, I just got to ask as plainly as possible, what the hell happened this weekend?

00:01:46.000 It was the third betrayal of Mike Johnson to the American public and the GOP conference.

00:01:53.000 It's, you know, the State Department, the Pentagon, the Deep State, the FBI, everybody who wanted what they wanted and is not elected got what they wanted.

00:02:06.000 Some people think that Mike Johnson basically rolled over for Chuck Schumer, but the reality is Chuck Schumer's bill was the same as Mike Johnson's bill, and it was pre-conferenced with the Pentagon.

00:02:19.000 It was, you know, I don't know where to start, man.

00:02:23.000 Well, it's just, I mean, let's dive into this because let's start with FISA, right?

00:02:28.000 So FISA was the one that really animated me.

00:02:32.000 I thought that he was this constitutional lawyer, this fighter for freedom, this believer in liberty.

00:02:39.000 And he comes down and says that he doesn't think that the FBI needs to get a warrant to spy on Americans.

00:02:46.000 That was the breaking point for me.

00:02:48.000 But can we start one before that?

00:02:50.000 On the omnibus.

00:02:50.000 Yes.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 Because the omnibus was the first of three betrayals.

00:02:56.000 FISA was the second.

00:02:58.000 But Mike Johnson had two choices.

00:03:02.000 Last summer, in exchange for raising the debt limit, Joe Biden agreed to a 1% across-the-board cut to every aspect of discretionary spending if we did a one-year CR.

00:03:14.000 And Mike Johnson had a choice.

00:03:16.000 He could do the one-year CR.

00:03:19.000 He could try to finish the five of the 12 bills that we didn't get done under Kevin because we got seven of the 12 separate bills done.

00:03:26.000 And the Senate had those sitting over.

00:03:28.000 They should have acted on him.

00:03:30.000 Or he could do an omnibus.

00:03:32.000 And he chose the omnibus and he chose to spend more money than Nancy Pelosi ever dreamed of spending in her highest year.

00:03:40.000 And we didn't even have 72 hours to read the bill.

00:03:44.000 That was the first time that had been violated since the beginning of Congress.

00:03:48.000 And as a member of the rules committee, I fought to give everybody 72 hours.

00:03:53.000 So the first big betrayal was that omnibus bill.

00:03:56.000 By the way, that spent funded a new FBI building.

00:04:01.000 Meanwhile, the FBI is like laughing at us when we send them subpoenas and requests for information in the oversight and the Judiciary Committee and the Weaponization Committee.

00:04:12.000 So that was the first betrayal.

00:04:14.000 But let's put that behind us and go to FISA because that is the one where people who are defending Mike Johnson right now are saying, well, it's such a slim majority.

00:04:25.000 You can't get everything you want with such a slim majority.

00:04:28.000 These conservatives are asking for too much.

00:04:30.000 No, that is not what happened with FISA.

00:04:33.000 Mike Johnson did a 180 on the ideology that he's represented to us ever since he's been in Congress and as a member of the Judiciary Committee.

00:04:41.000 He was there with me and Jim Jordan and Chip Roy and Matt Gates and others like Tom McClintock who were fighting to get warrants.

00:04:51.000 And he was fighting with us.

00:04:52.000 Then he became speaker and he cast the deciding vote.

00:04:56.000 Now, some people may say he didn't cast the last vote, so it wasn't the deciding vote.

00:05:02.000 But here's why it was the deciding vote.

00:05:05.000 He didn't vote on the other amendments that day.

00:05:08.000 He didn't vote on the three amendments Intel Committee offered up or down.

00:05:12.000 He voted no on the Judiciary Committee amendment to offer the to require a warrant if you want to spy on Americans.

00:05:21.000 And he did it early enough that he convinced a lot of other Republicans to walk the plank.

00:05:28.000 And by the way, it was a majority of Democrats who voted not to have a warrant, and it was a majority of Republicans who voted for a warrant.

00:05:37.000 So when the vote stalled at 212 to 212, I took a picture of it.

00:05:41.000 I was in disbelief.

00:05:44.000 In front of my eyes was something that for 12 years I've been fighting for.

00:05:49.000 You know, and here it was going down in flames because Mike Johnson chose the side of the deep state, flipped on us, and now we, and it got reauthorized and we don't have warrants.

00:06:04.000 I went home that day just thoroughly disgusted.

00:06:09.000 And I spent two days thinking about it.

00:06:11.000 I didn't sleep on it just one night.

00:06:13.000 I slept on it three nights.

00:06:15.000 And then I came to the GOP conference at the beginning of this past week.

00:06:21.000 And I stood up in front of everybody and I told Mike Johnson he needed to resign and that I was co-sponsoring Marjorie Taylor Green's motion to vacate.

00:06:31.000 That was the last straw for me.

00:06:33.000 And of course, we had another betrayal since then.

00:06:36.000 So, Congressman, I have several thoughts here.

00:06:37.000 The first of which, what happened?

00:06:39.000 What would cause somebody to flip from fighting hard in a committee to all of a sudden having the deciding vote as speaker?

00:06:46.000 Was he an imposter all along?

00:06:50.000 I'm coming to that conclusion.

00:06:52.000 I don't think his family's locked up in the basement somewhere, you know, being tortured. 0.99

00:06:57.000 Those claims are ridiculous.

00:06:59.000 I don't even believe that he went in a skiff and learned something that we don't know because I spent three and a half hours in the skiff with Mike Johnson.

00:07:07.000 Remember, I'm on the judiciary committee, and I got the same briefing he got from CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, DNI, FISA judge.

00:07:18.000 They were all in that skiff.

00:07:20.000 It was actually a four-hour meeting.

00:07:21.000 After three and a half hours, I said, this is enough.

00:07:24.000 This is a waste of time.

00:07:25.000 You haven't given us one example of where spying on Americans without a warrant was able to help you avert terrorism.

00:07:35.000 They gave us hypotheticals, and then they gave us examples of how spying on foreigners overseas without a warrant was helpful.

00:07:43.000 But they never gave us an example.

00:07:45.000 So you can't believe his story that he went to the skiff and he learned something.

00:07:50.000 That's not true.

00:07:51.000 So, but I'm just shocked.

00:07:53.000 I haven't heard anyone say that as crispily as you have.

00:07:55.000 Want to repeat that you were in the same skiff as Speaker Johnson because I got really fired up at Speaker Johnson on this vote and I called him and I texted him and he was arguing from authority with me, Congressman, saying, Charlie, if you were in the skiff like I was, you would understand.

00:08:11.000 And I literally have this in writing.

00:08:13.000 You think innocent Americans will die if we require the FBI to get a warrant question mark?

00:08:17.000 I do.

00:08:18.000 So how did what did he hear that you didn't hear in this song and dance four-hour struggle session in the skiff?

00:08:28.000 Yeah, it was a struggle session.

00:08:31.000 It was like a brainwashing session.

00:08:34.000 And here's the thing, Charlie.

00:08:36.000 When you go into a skiff, remember, most congressmen are used to having two things with them that allow them to verify something if they're being told a lie.

00:08:44.000 Number one, they usually have their smartphone with them and their staff.

00:08:49.000 Exactly.

00:08:50.000 Those two things you are deprived of.

00:08:52.000 So if you are deprived of those two things and any connection to anybody for three or four hours, you kind of start believing what they're saying.

00:09:02.000 And you think, well, maybe they'll let me out of this skiff if I just nod my head and succumb to the pressure.

00:09:10.000 But, and Mike Turner was in there.

00:09:11.000 He's chair of Intel.

00:09:13.000 It was basically the Mike Turner show.

00:09:15.000 He got to show us, he had every tool at his disposal, every prop, every representative from the agencies, and still couldn't compel us of the members of the Judiciary Committee, because that's what it was.

00:09:31.000 And Mike Johnson was there to vote for this.

00:09:36.000 And, you know, maybe Mike got some extra special briefing, but if there's an extra special briefing, he needs to tell us about us and have us get the extra special briefing.

00:09:48.000 On the subject of Ukraine, he encouraged me to go in the skiff again.

00:09:53.000 And I said, I'll go in the skiff on one condition.

00:09:56.000 You go in with me because I'm going to ask them questions that need to be asked.

00:10:01.000 And also, it's a total waste of time, Mike.

00:10:05.000 You know that.

00:10:06.000 And he agreed with me.

00:10:08.000 He actually, to me, he will agree that going into the SCIF on FISA for those three and a half hours was a total waste of time.

00:10:16.000 Well, he told the population, and he said this privately and publicly, that if every member went in the skiff, they would also vote for FISA.

00:10:27.000 You went into it, and this is what the Intel agencies do.

00:10:29.000 They do this song and dance.

00:10:31.000 It's rooted in fear.

00:10:32.000 They'll always meander.

00:10:34.000 It's tons of abstractions.

00:10:35.000 And by the way, anything Mike Turner supports, you should inherently vote against.

00:10:39.000 That guy is a warmonger.

00:10:41.000 He is rooted in doublespeak.

00:10:44.000 He is not someone that I would trust at all.

00:10:46.000 If it's the Mike Turner show, it might as well be the Adam Schiff show, as far as I'm concerned.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, please, really quick.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, to that point, real quick, there were three people who Max donated to my primary opponent in 2020.

00:10:59.000 Adam Kinzinger, gone.

00:11:00.000 Liz Cheney, gone.

00:11:01.000 Mike Turner, still in Congress.

00:11:04.000 Now, I can still get along with him.

00:11:07.000 We have reasonable discussions, but just to your point, go against whatever Mike Turner's for.

00:11:13.000 Just vote against Mike Turner.

00:11:14.000 That guy's a waste of rations.

00:11:15.000 So, Congressman, there were no specifics shared in the skiff.

00:11:20.000 It was because that's what they always say.

00:11:22.000 They say that if you don't allow us to spy in America without a warrant, like a dirty bomb is going to blow up Seattle.

00:11:28.000 Yeah.

00:11:29.000 No specifics relevant to domestic spying.

00:11:34.000 They will give you specifics about foreign plots that have been intervened on, but nothing domestically where they had to spy on somebody.

00:11:44.000 And they did this, by the way, several years ago.

00:11:47.000 They said they had 43 examples.

00:11:50.000 And as more and more truth came out, it turned out there was one example and they could have solved it a different way or had other information sources.

00:11:59.000 So it's all hypotheticals, Charlie.

00:12:02.000 It's all hypotheticals.

00:12:03.000 But we're dealing with our liberties here.

00:12:06.000 I mean, you're the foremost fighter of constitutional liberties in the Congress.

00:12:10.000 You always have been.

00:12:10.000 And I've always admired that about you, especially when it comes to privacy concerns, which is something that I would think the Republicans would be fired up about given what they did to Donald Trump.

00:12:19.000 But there's this false choice that is presented.

00:12:22.000 If you do not allow the FBI to spy on us, a bunch of people are going to die.

00:12:27.000 They can't prove the argument.

00:12:29.000 They fearmonger with it.

00:12:31.000 But also, let's pretend that there is some truth to the idea of mass surveillance could save lives.

00:12:37.000 Well, I still believe we should have firearm rights, Second Amendment rights, and free speech rights.

00:12:42.000 You're not going to get comfort and liberty.

00:12:45.000 They cannot always coexist, Congressman.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, if you put a policeman on every corner and a camera in everybody's living room, you could probably impose more safety than we have now.

00:12:56.000 The problem is you give up so many rights and it violates the Constitution.

00:13:01.000 I do want to say there was one person in that skiff who made sense, and it was the FISA judge.

00:13:07.000 By the way, I'm a little bit uncomfortable that these are secret warrants, but in a court in a special court, but at least the FISA judges are real judges that work back in, they're federal judges that work back in districts, and they sort of moonlight for FISA.

00:13:22.000 And one of the arguments that was made is, well, you'll have to contact us when we're not at the FISA court, when we're back in our districts doing our regular judge jobs.

00:13:32.000 And they said, we don't have skiffs there. 1.00

00:13:34.000 Well, that's an easy solution, right?

00:13:37.000 Just give them a skiff, build them a soundproof room.

00:13:40.000 It's a whole lot cheaper than the $200 million they're going to use to build the new FBI building.

00:13:46.000 So there was one salient point made, and that was the only point I got out of that skiff.

00:13:52.000 And again, we're not saying that the government should not be able to ever use surveillance technology.

00:13:58.000 We say get a warrant, right, Congressman?

00:14:00.000 That's the whole contention.

00:14:03.000 There's this false choice.

00:14:05.000 How long would getting a warrant take?

00:14:06.000 Like six hours?

00:14:07.000 It does not even six hours.

00:14:10.000 I mean, if you talk to any judge who's issued warrants, judges have issued warrants from the back of motorcycles.

00:14:17.000 I mean, they're on call to issue warrants.

00:14:21.000 It's like, and in fact, most of them are allowed anyway. 0.62

00:14:26.000 You know, it's just for Americans.

00:14:29.000 This is not for some drug runner in Rwanda, right?

00:14:33.000 This is for an American in Tampa.

00:14:36.000 Now, let's be clear.

00:14:38.000 They're saying that to direct your spying on an American, you do need a warrant. 0.86

00:14:44.000 And you do, that is true.

00:14:46.000 What we want them to do is to get a warrant when they go into this massive database of data that they have collected.

00:14:53.000 Now, remember, Charlie, they're not over in Afghanistan snooping on the web servers there.

00:14:59.000 The traffic from Afghanistan goes through U.S. servers and backbones.

00:15:05.000 Like most of the world's internet traffic comes through America at some point. 1.00

00:15:09.000 And so they've got the snooping devices here.

00:15:13.000 And they incidentally collect a lot of information on Americans.

00:15:17.000 By the way, they'll say, we're just trying to reveal some bomb-making class they took.

00:15:22.000 But an NSA employee searched his tender date there.

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00:16:33.000 So, Congressman, let's get to the third chapter in this you call betrayal this weekend.

00:16:39.000 How did we all of a sudden go from the speaker saying no Ukraine money without border security money to a bunch of Ukrainian flags flying in such a short period of time?

00:16:49.000 Walk us through what happened this weekend.

00:16:51.000 Well, it's a long story, like how they actually did it.

00:16:56.000 I want to start here.

00:16:57.000 There was a veterans bill in the House called H.R. 815 that was going to expand reimbursements for veterans who got emergency care.

00:17:05.000 The Senate took that bill, stripped everything out of it, and put the funding for this.

00:17:10.000 It's called the Foreign Aid Supplemental.

00:17:11.000 It's all for foreign wars.

00:17:13.000 They sent it back to the House.

00:17:14.000 What we did this week is we pretended to pass four separate bills and pretended to put those together in one package and send it to the Senate.

00:17:24.000 But what we actually did is we amended the Senate supplemental, the H.R. 15 that started out as a veterans bill.

00:17:31.000 I don't mean to confuse you.

00:17:32.000 I just want to let you know this thing ping-ponged back and forth and it started out under bad pretenses.

00:17:38.000 Now, Speaker Johnson did say he was going to add border to this, but Chuck Schumer said we're not going to pass it if it's got border on it.

00:17:46.000 So Speaker Johnson took the border off.

00:17:48.000 That's it.

00:17:49.000 It's that simple.

00:17:50.000 He didn't want to fight here.

00:17:52.000 And then it just glides through with Democrats bailing him out.

00:17:56.000 Can you explain to our audience those details, the Democrats bailing him out?

00:18:01.000 Yeah, so something happened that's never happened in decades.

00:18:04.000 Like for a bill to pass with bipartisan votes, it's not remarkable.

00:18:08.000 You usually get one or two Democrats on something, okay?

00:18:12.000 But what happened this week is Speaker Johnson couldn't even get the bill to the floor because he couldn't get it through the rules committee.

00:18:19.000 And so what we're talking about this week is he shared power with Hakeem Jeffries, the power to say what bills will come to the floor, how long they'll debate be debated, how they get combined when they go back to the Senate, that kind of power, which has never been bipartisan.

00:18:38.000 Now, Speaker Johnson, this week, he crossed the Rubicon, frankly, and he went with Hakeem Jeffries to dictate the terms of the debate, which amendments would be allowed, and how this would all get packaged together.

00:18:51.000 Those are, when you're in the majority, you control the rules, you control the procedure, and then people can vote how they want.

00:18:58.000 But this week, Speaker Johnson did the unthinkable, and he saw he shouldered up with Hakeem Jeffries, and that's how he used these procedures and got these bills to the floor.

00:19:10.000 Finally, can you contrast that with Kevin McCarthy, who refused to do a deal with Speaker Jeffries?

00:19:17.000 Essentially, it is Speaker Jeffries, but yes.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, Kevin had a lot of choices.

00:19:23.000 He could have walked across the aisle and asked Hakeem Jeffries to bail him out, for instance, on the Fiscal Responsibility Act last summer.

00:19:31.000 But instead, Kevin drove a hard line and he said, we're going to get this 1% cut in there, and we're going to get budget caps in exchange for doing this.

00:19:40.000 So he got something for it.

00:19:41.000 Instead of crossing the lines, he pushed them to do something they didn't want.

00:19:45.000 And then, when the motion to vacate was called, before it was called, Kevin could have changed the rule on the motion to vacate.

00:19:52.000 He would have needed Democrats to do that.

00:19:54.000 He did not try to do that.

00:19:56.000 We saw Speaker Johnson try to do that this week.

00:19:59.000 This is what happens in banana republicans, banana republics and third world countries: when somebody gets power, they change the rules for the next election or the date of the next election.

00:20:10.000 And that's what Mike Johnson tried to do.

00:20:12.000 He admitted as much in a Twitter post, an ex-post.

00:20:16.000 He said, I think we should change the rule that allows people to get rid of me.

00:20:20.000 And I tried to change the rule that allows to get people to get rid of me, but I didn't have enough votes from the Democrats.

00:20:27.000 So that's something that Kevin never did.

00:20:29.000 And Kevin also never went into the rules committee.

00:20:33.000 That place is sacrosanct.

00:20:34.000 It's called the Speakers Committee.

00:20:36.000 Now, Kevin put three of us, you might consider us rebels, Chip Roy, Ralph Norman, and myself on there, gave us a blocking position.

00:20:43.000 But every time that the three of us needed to block because Kevin was off track, he would work with us instead of going and getting all the Democrats in that committee to vote with him.

00:20:54.000 So there's, you know, there's several precedents.

00:20:56.000 People don't understand this back home, I think, where Speaker Johnson is, these are not just bipartisan bills.

00:21:03.000 This is a bipartisan speakership.

00:21:05.000 This allows sharing power in the rules committee and on procedures.

00:21:10.000 So just he surrendered the speakership.

00:21:12.000 We now have a power sharing agreement.

00:21:15.000 Is it fair to say Republicans don't control the House really anymore?

00:21:19.000 That is correct.

00:21:20.000 Mike Johnson can't control the House.

00:21:22.000 He's the Uniparty speaker.

00:21:24.000 And you saw them celebrating with those flags.

00:21:27.000 It's against House rules to wave flags like that, but they celebrated because they got everything they wanted.

00:21:32.000 Every Democrat voted for that Ukraine spending, and a majority of Republicans voted against it.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, there they are waving the flags.

00:21:39.000 I sat there.

00:21:41.000 I took video from a different angle, but I recognized that video.

00:21:45.000 I'm still stinging from being surrounded by people waving those flags. 0.94

00:21:51.000 This is disgusting. 0.96

00:21:52.000 What country do you represent? 0.99

00:21:53.000 Like, go in the front lines of Kiev for all that.

00:21:56.000 I care.

00:21:57.000 Congressman, you're a great man.

00:21:58.000 Thank you so much.

00:21:59.000 Thanks for your time.

00:21:59.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:22:00.000 Thank you.

00:22:03.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:23:06.000 Joining us now is one of the few good guys in the kingdom of Washington, D.C. I'll be going to his home state tomorrow, which is why I'll be off on the show tomorrow.

00:23:15.000 Senator Mike Lee, Senator, welcome to the program.

00:23:17.000 I'll be in Utah tomorrow, Senator.

00:23:19.000 Fantastic.

00:23:19.000 It's a good place.

00:23:20.000 I'm unfortunately stuck in Washington, D.C., which is far inferior to Utah.

00:23:25.000 Well, I agree.

00:23:26.000 I wouldn't want to have your job.

00:23:28.000 So, Senator, walk us through.

00:23:30.000 The Senate hasn't passed this bill yet.

00:23:32.000 Is that correct?

00:23:33.000 The foreign aid bill, walk us through it.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, so it was passed by the House of Representatives on Saturday.

00:23:39.000 Remember, it was passed in, I believe, four constituent parts by the House of Representatives.

00:23:45.000 They used a procedure that we colloquially refer to in Washington as the MERV.

00:23:50.000 They merge all four of those bills as if mid-air as it's leaving the House of Representatives before it reaches the Senate.

00:23:58.000 And it arrives to us as one bill.

00:24:01.000 And it's arriving in the form of what's known as a message from the House of Representatives, which truncates some of our procedures.

00:24:10.000 Part of how they're pushing this through.

00:24:12.000 This is kind of odd, given that they intentionally utilized a procedure that they knew would make it easier for members to vote for it, or at least for various parts of it, but then send it over to the Senate, where we're asked to take it as a one-size-fits-all, take it or leave it proposition.

00:24:30.000 That by itself is unfortunate.

00:24:32.000 In any event, we'll take that up tomorrow.

00:24:35.000 One of my goals is to at least push to have some amendments on it.

00:24:40.000 We ought to be able to amend this thing to make it less bad than it is.

00:24:45.000 In all probability, they're going to move heaven and earth to avoid taking amendment votes on it, but we can make it difficult for them.

00:24:53.000 So is it filibuster-proof too?

00:24:55.000 Or do you think they'll be able to break that rather easily?

00:24:58.000 So it's still subject to the 60-vote cloture standard, which is one of the more common usages of the word filibuster.

00:25:06.000 Usually that's what it's referring to.

00:25:08.000 And I assume that's how you mean that term here.

00:25:11.000 So yeah, it's still subject to the 60-vote cloture standard.

00:25:14.000 They have to bring debate to a close before we can pass the bill.

00:25:17.000 And that takes three-fifths of the Senate or 60, 60 votes.

00:25:23.000 The fear is that they'll have that and perhaps more than that.

00:25:27.000 But the good news is among Republicans, they can't pass this without Republican votes because you can't pass it unless you bring debate to a close.

00:25:36.000 You can't bring debate to a close without 60 votes.

00:25:38.000 And there are only 51 Democrats in the Senate.

00:25:43.000 The other 49 are all Republicans.

00:25:45.000 So if all Republicans stood together on this bill and said, we're not going to vote for it, or even just said, we're not going to vote for it unless we have a full, robust amendment process where individual members are allowed to offer up suggestions as to how to make the bill better or less bad, as you may perceive it, we could stop it.

00:26:04.000 That's going to be the challenge tomorrow.

00:26:06.000 I would love to see that.

00:26:07.000 Republicans really ought to stand by each other's procedural rights in the Senate.

00:26:12.000 And I'd like to think that we would stand up for something that's being cheered by the left instead of facilitating what the left wants to do, which is what happened in the House last week. 0.95

00:26:22.000 Yeah, so I hope there's no Ukrainian flags tomorrow on the Senate floor.

00:26:27.000 Can you help our audience understand, help me understand what is the major drive of the urgency for neocon politics in D.C.?

00:26:35.000 You've been around for quite some time.

00:26:37.000 There is this priority on nation building, of war funding.

00:26:43.000 We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars right now that we know of.

00:26:47.000 For what?

00:26:48.000 Why is this such a top priority for the UNI party in Washington?

00:26:54.000 You know, the Uniparty and the military-industrial complex love each other, Charlie.

00:26:59.000 And it's part of how this weird alliance gets formed between left and right on projects like this one.

00:27:06.000 The left understands that this is the Achilles heel of many Republicans.

00:27:10.000 If they can get them to go all in on war, particularly those Republicans who are beholden to the military-industrial complex in one way or another, they can tie it together in spending bill after spending bill to get Republicans to agree to support bloated budgets, to support appropriations bills that are completely lopsided and out of sync with what the American people want and more importantly, what they can afford.

00:27:36.000 This is a lot of the reason why we're $34.5 trillion in debt is because of these dynamics.

00:27:43.000 The Republican Party's attachment to unnecessary wars and to the military industrial complex is very, very costly.

00:27:51.000 Not just because they get us involved in wars that we have no business being involved in, but also because it's the teaser rate.

00:27:59.000 It's the trick that gets Republicans to vote for things they know better than to vote for.

00:28:05.000 So I want to play a piece of tape here, and I think it's very illuminating and it's eye-opening, which is Cut 28.

00:28:12.000 This is Representative Tom Cole from Oklahoma saying that there's a reservoir of goodwill against Mike Johnson.

00:28:18.000 But I don't want to have you talk about Mike Johnson.

00:28:20.000 I want you to talk about how D.C. is thrilled with this last weekend and the people are livid.

00:28:26.000 The fault line is remarkable.

00:28:28.000 Play Cut 28.

00:28:30.000 But the point is he's gotten a lot done.

00:28:32.000 I think people admire him.

00:28:33.000 They genuinely like him.

00:28:34.000 They all respect him.

00:28:36.000 Every single Republican voted for him.

00:28:38.000 I don't think any other person could have done that at the time other than Mike Johnson.

00:28:43.000 So the reservoir of goodwill is enormous.

00:28:46.000 I think he's much stronger than the people seem to think.

00:28:50.000 And I think he's demonstrated that by what he's passed.

00:28:53.000 So the comments on Mike Johnson aside, Senator, but what is being done is wildly unpopular with the American people, and they seem not to care.

00:29:02.000 That doesn't seem like a representative form of government to me.

00:29:04.000 Oh, but Charlie, come on.

00:29:05.000 The reservoir of goodwill is really deep.

00:29:08.000 Reservoir of goodwill from Democrats?

00:29:10.000 Certainly.

00:29:11.000 Reservoir of goodwill from more sort of establishment old guard Republicans?

00:29:17.000 Absolutely.

00:29:18.000 Reservoir of goodwill from the military industrial complex and from those in the Department of Defense and related agencies that really like this stuff?

00:29:28.000 Absolutely.

00:29:29.000 Deep reservoir.

00:29:31.000 But there's a real disconnect between that and the reservoir of goodwill that may exist among the American people, among the voters who put us here, particularly Republican voters and rank and file Republican members, many of whom feel alienated because they've been betrayed, frankly.

00:29:47.000 They elected leadership on one set of premises, and those premises have not been honored.

00:29:55.000 In fact, they've been outright neglected.

00:29:57.000 And they have every reason to be upset.

00:29:59.000 Look, Republicans said just not too many weeks ago, and we said this for months consistently, not another dime, not another penny goes to Ukraine until at a minimum the border is secure,

00:30:13.000 until at a minimum we've been able to pass legislation that would force President Biden's hand so as to disable this wholesale invasion across our southern border that he has invited and been facilitating in a way that's been very costly to Americans and that's been an absolute gold mine for international drug cartels who have made many tens of billions of dollars off of this.

00:30:41.000 And all of a sudden, those conditions have just been neglected.

00:30:45.000 It's as if we never made any nod in that direction.

00:30:50.000 And we're passing now basically the same measure that Republicans were saying they would never pass in the House unless our conditions had been met, which they have not.

00:31:03.000 In no way have they been made.

00:31:05.000 And to make matters worse, Charlie, just days ago, the Democrats in the Senate basically nuked the impeachment clauses of the Constitution.

00:31:17.000 You know, the House having impeached Secretary Mayorkis for facilitating the invasion and violating federal law and lying to Congress, Democrats just said, yeah, we're not going to deal with it.

00:31:26.000 They didn't reach a finding of guilt or innocence.

00:31:28.000 They just said those aren't impeachable.

00:31:30.000 And if those aren't impeachable, up means down and yes means no.

00:31:36.000 This is horrific.

00:31:38.000 The brute force Schumer just tabled it saying, I don't want to deal with it right now.

00:31:42.000 So I want to get to Ukraine now, and I want to get into some detail here.

00:31:46.000 The $60 billion, how much total have we spent so far, Senator?

00:31:52.000 Over $113 billion so far.

00:31:55.000 Have we done?

00:31:57.000 Is there like a forensic audit?

00:31:58.000 Do we know where all that money has gone?

00:32:00.000 No, no, we don't.

00:32:02.000 And in fact, we know that not all of it can be accounted for.

00:32:06.000 At least not all of it can be accounted for in a way that would reflect what the priorities were supposed to be.

00:32:14.000 You know, you saw a virtual admission out of the White House and some of our intelligence gathering agencies not too long ago when they rather publicly started sending the signal to the Zelensky administration in Ukraine.

00:32:31.000 You know, you can't make the corruption quite this bad.

00:32:35.000 It can't be this severe and this obvious.

00:32:38.000 Don't be stealing quite so much of this money anymore.

00:32:42.000 So we know that's been underway, and yet we're still sending them more money, not just a little bit more money, but another between $60 and $61 billion.

00:32:51.000 This is crazy.

00:32:53.000 And just does anyone think it's actually going to win the war for the Ukrainians?

00:32:58.000 No one that I know believes that this sum of money is going to win the war for the Ukrainians.

00:33:05.000 I don't know one person who believes that.

00:33:08.000 And, you know, Charlie, in their more honest moments when you get people from the Department of Defense in a room and you get them talking.

00:33:16.000 It was not too many months ago when a bunch of senators were talking to Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.

00:33:24.000 And we asked him how much longer would this war take?

00:33:29.000 And I think his guess in that moment was something like six, seven, eight more years.

00:33:35.000 And I can only assume that the costs are going to continue to be, you know, between $50 and $100 billion a year just on our end.

00:33:47.000 I haven't heard one person say that this installment is going to make the difference between victory and defeat for Ukraine.

00:33:54.000 And in fact, what we're doing, I think we're making a brokered peace settlement, brokered peace negotiation more and more elusive by sending this money over there.

00:34:05.000 And it's truly tragic.

00:34:08.000 Look, it's a big win for those who are going to be making the weapons that we sent over there.

00:34:13.000 They're going to make a lot of money. 0.63

00:34:14.000 And this is a good deal for Ukrainian oligarchs and their second and third in Florence.

00:34:21.000 Yep, that's right. 0.94

00:34:23.000 Without question.

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00:35:29.000 Senator, can you walk us through the Repo Act and how that could potentially neuter a Trump administration that would be incoming?

00:35:37.000 What is the Repo Act?

00:35:38.000 Yeah, so the Repo Act is this means by which many people are saying we can get money, seize Russian assets basically to no cost to the United States and send that money over for things like the war in Ukraine when it's not really our money, American taxpayer money.

00:36:01.000 It's just not really true.

00:36:04.000 They're talking about a large number of assets that are Russian assets that could be seized.

00:36:10.000 But those Russian assets that could be seized that the United States has the ability to go after are relatively few.

00:36:19.000 I mean, I think it's limited to around 8 billion or so.

00:36:24.000 And this is one of many ways in which dominoes could fall once we start undertaking this.

00:36:30.000 As I understand it, under customary international law, this is a fairly extreme step to take under these circumstances.

00:36:41.000 And it's likely to result in a series of retaliatory actions by Russia that could impact U.S. investment within Russia in a pretty adverse way, potentially harming more U.S. interests than it ever would Russian interests in the United States.

00:36:59.000 So, Senator, I also want to get your thoughts on the FISA vote.

00:37:04.000 That one wasn't as covered.

00:37:06.000 Is that now officially passed the Senate?

00:37:08.000 Yeah, it's passed the Senate.

00:37:09.000 It's passed both houses of Congress.

00:37:11.000 This was a real disappointment.

00:37:13.000 Look, last week was at Doozy because we had a failed Maorca's impeachment vote.

00:37:20.000 We had this horrific bill passed in the House of Representatives coming over to the Senate now.

00:37:25.000 And then we had, following the House capitulation on FISA the previous week, last week we had the Senate pass a House-passed FISA bill without a single modification, with the Turner Amendment intact, the Turner Amendment, which expands the government's authority under FISA, and without, most importantly, a warrant requirement.

00:37:48.000 A warrant requirement that would have been limited to situations in which the government is searching for a particular U.S. citizen.

00:37:55.000 What private communications that you, as a specific U.S. citizen, may have stored on the FISA 702 collection database.

00:38:06.000 Lots of Americans may, unbeknownst to them, have communications with someone who's outside the United States and maybe on the federal government's target list overseas, people who are legitimately being spied on by the U.S. government.

00:38:26.000 But if you're an American citizen and you talk to one of those people, you probably have no idea whether they're on there, your end of those conversations over the phone, by text message, email, and otherwise, are stored somewhere in a FISA 702 database.

00:38:41.000 My argument for years has been before you get onto that database and search for, you know, if it's you they're wanting to look into, show me all that, everything you've got on Charlie Kirk.

00:38:52.000 You, sir, are an American citizen.

00:38:54.000 And for them to search for that on you, given the way they collected it without any warrant, they should have to get a warrant before they open communications that they've searched after specifically by using your name or your number.

00:39:08.000 And the Senate refused to add that.

00:39:12.000 This is really, really disappointing.

00:39:13.000 And it's a setback for the Fourth Amendment.

00:39:16.000 Senator, thank you for fighting hard.

00:39:18.000 It is incredibly disappointing that the House and the Senate of America, they don't believe in the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

00:39:26.000 I will give you a live.

00:39:28.000 I'll give you a live report from Utah tomorrow, Senator.

00:39:30.000 Thanks so much.

00:39:31.000 Thanks so much, Sean.

00:39:35.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:39:36.000 Everybody, email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:39:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 22, 2024

The Great SCIF Scam

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