Rich Barris from Big Data Poll and the amazing RichBears joins us to talk about the surge of Donald Trump, and at the detriment of people like Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis. Also, we talk with former federal prosecutor Bud Cummins, who first reported some explosive bribery allegations made against Hunter Biden and reported them to the DOJ. And you won t believe what happened to him next.
00:00:09.000This episode, we have Rich Barris from Big Data Poll, the amazing Rich Bears.
00:00:13.000He talks about the surge of Donald Trump and at the detriment of people like Nikki Haley and unfortunately Ron DeSantis for you, Ron DeSantis lovers out there.
00:00:29.000Also, we talk with former federal prosecutor and a fascinating story of retaliation by the DOJ, Bud Cummins, who actually first reported some of these explosive bribery allegations made against Hunter Biden and reported them to the DOJ in 2018.
00:00:47.000And you won't believe what happened to him next.
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00:01:37.000We are just about to welcome in Rich Barris from Big Data Poll, but he has come out with some new numbers.
00:01:44.000And actually, Revolver.news covered the scoop exclusively, it looks like DeSantis and Nikki Haley lose ground as Trump dominates, plus Vivek's surprising surge.
00:03:17.000And, you know, listen, I, you know, I know you like to kind of throw a little shade at some of these other pollsters, but I mean, how good does that feel when you come out with this?
00:03:27.000I mean, listen, Vivek in basically second or third place, fourth place.
00:03:32.000And then you've got the morning consult that comes in and basically completely justifies all of your polling, once again, showing you to be one of the best in the business.
00:03:44.000That was like your, how do you, what flavor ice cream do you like question, you know?
00:03:48.000You know, I mean, the bottom line is here is that, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks ago, we had put up this graphic because we were actually one of the polls that were weaker on Trump's support.
00:04:01.000You know, we had him at a low of 43, DeSantis at a high just over 30.
00:04:07.000So, you know, I mean, for the people to come out and, you know, there's always, you always get attacked as a pollster when you come out with stuff.
00:04:14.000But if it just makes me laugh because nobody ever comes back on, like, none of these so-called influencers ever come back and go, oh, damn, he was right.
00:04:23.000You know, but weeks ago, we had done this.
00:04:27.000It was a combination of bad things that happened to DeSantis, how he handled the indictment, bumbling, and I talked about this with Charlie last time, bungling his response to Tucker, who now is off the air, but about Ukraine, flip-flopping.
00:04:43.000He flip-flopped first with Tucker because he never was an America first.
00:04:49.000And so basically, in a nutshell, you know, that's what we expected, you know, that he would surge.
00:04:55.000But that night, he had gone to 60, and we put that out there and got attacked by everybody and their mother over it.
00:05:03.000But he didn't hold it, but the trend was clear.
00:05:12.000And listen, I like Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:05:15.000I, you know, I've been very honest about the fact that I think his response to the Trump indictment and then, yes, some of that foreign policy discussion, signing that bill while in Israel was another, I think, misstep.
00:05:31.000You know, but that's that being said, he just signed this E-Verify law in Florida today, which I think is a great leading indicator.
00:05:37.000I think everybody, every red state should be signing E-Verify, but regardless, we digress.
00:06:08.000Okay, so Rich, I mean, I find that surprising just because I know that DeSantis still has a lot of love.
00:06:15.000And by the way, talking with people behind the scenes, everybody always says, I love, I love Ron, but you know, just not yet.
00:06:21.000Or, you know, and obviously there's some like Steve Cortez, who's come on this show, who has just said he's going to be backing DeSantis, working with the DeSantis Pack.
00:06:30.000You know, there's still a lot of love for DeSantis, what I'm saying.
00:07:51.000You know, a lot of it is actually, and this dovetails into another demographic that surprised me because of the margin.
00:07:57.000Not that Trump's winning them, but there were some working class women that did go for Biden.
00:08:04.000That's just the same thing that happened, only it happened worse to Romney, where Barack Obama did better with white working class than polls and forecasts and exit polls.
00:08:13.000It suggests that he did, or at least initial exit polls.
00:08:20.000You're looking at states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, where, you know, they we called it the seasick voter.
00:08:27.000Trump, the boat was always rocking, and Trump really needed to like hold their head while they were vomiting off the side of the boat.
00:08:33.000Instead, he was like, stop whining, you weenie, you know, so, you know, so you're throwing up, get over it, you know, because that's Trump.
00:08:41.000I mean, it's more like a Grover Cleveland kind of situation where it is what it is.
00:08:46.000Maybe you weren't keen on the guy and you voted for him against Hillary because you didn't like Hillary, but then Biden, you thought was kind of a decent guy.
00:08:58.000And then Republican women is a totally different phenomenon than the general election.
00:09:04.000So among Republican women, he beats DeSantis.
00:09:07.000I'm looking at it right now, 63 to 15.
00:09:10.000He only beats DeSantis among men 57 to 18, which, by the way, is a 10-point improvement with men since last month in our poll and a nine-point improvement with women.
00:09:21.000DeSantis was, you know, in the mid to high 20s with men consistently, consistently.
00:09:28.000His shock collapse came from DeSantis.
00:09:32.000And then when you look at working class among all voters, non-white, white in the Republican primary that don't have any college, not some, an associate, nothing, high school or less, Trump beats him 65 to 11.
00:09:47.000And when you look at just white non-college voters, 69 to 11.
00:09:53.000So it's like, I couldn't, I knew he would be at 30, 35 point lead with these people, but we're talking about 57 point leads now, 54 point leads, 58, 54 between respectively.
00:10:06.000You've seen big comebacks in the past.
00:10:16.000The problem is, again, and I know I'm short on time, not all candidates get a bounce from an announcement, but they all get scrutiny.
00:10:25.000And when Ron DeSantis got a little bit of scrutiny, he collapsed.
00:10:29.000Secondly, historically speaking, without an incumbent president, without a president, former president, someone polling at 20%, where Ron was last month in our poll, a little over, has about a 20% chance to win the nomination, polling at 20% at this point.
00:12:32.000So then Mike Morrell, who was largely tapped should Joe Biden get elected, widely rumored that he would become CIA director.
00:12:42.000So his point is he is incentivized to be doing helpful things for the Biden campaign.
00:12:51.000Unfortunately for him, he wasn't tapped to be that person.
00:12:54.000So maybe he did a bad thing by putting himself out there in a risky situation.
00:13:00.000Anyway, so he starts soliciting other members of the Intel community to sign this letter.
00:13:08.000And last week we learned that John Solomon had gotten his hands on an email back and forth saying, hey, I need to get talking points for Joe Biden's final presidential debate on Thursday.
00:13:20.000And then sure enough, we played this clip last week.
00:13:23.000Joe Biden then says in the debate, 50 former Intel officials say this is garbage.
00:13:30.000What you're saying, Mr. Trump, is garbage.
00:13:43.000The CIA conspired with former acting director Mike Morrell and the Biden campaign to produce a letter falsely claiming that emails from Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation and solicited signatures from at least one former intelligence official.
00:14:00.000Moreo told the CIA's pre-publication classification review board, the PCRB, that he needed the letter approved as an unusual rush job that day, October 19, 2020, in an effort to provide then-candidate Joe Biden ammunition in the final presidential debate to discredit the Post reporting on the Biden emails, which had been published five days earlier.
00:14:26.000So here's another piece from the Post.
00:14:30.000Mark Polymeropoulos, a former CIA acting chief of operations for Europe and Eurasia, congratulated Morell.
00:14:39.000He needs to get this reviewed by the CIA before it then gets published.
00:14:44.000And so Mark Polymeropoulos congratulated Morell on the afternoon of October 19th, 2020 for securing the pre-publication classification review board.
00:16:09.000This is absolutely insane that the intelligence community, during an active presidential weeks before we vote on the president of the United States, is actively being solicited and co-opted by the Biden campaign to not only solicit signatures, but then they fast-track them.
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00:18:18.000So we're actually going to be bringing on Bud Cummins, who's a former federal prosecutor who raised the issue of the corruption and the bribery that has been dogging the Biden family crime syndicate, as I like to call them, for years.
00:18:35.000He brought it up in 2018 and they actually ended up investigating him instead of the Bidens.
00:18:42.000So I want to just set once again, I want to set the tone here.
00:18:46.000I want to bring up some of these clips from this morning, which were really, really powerful.
00:18:51.000So let's go ahead and play Comer Cut 79.
00:18:55.000Hunter Biden and his associates capitalized on a lucrative financial relationship with a Romanian national who was under investigation for and later convicted of corruption in Romania.
00:19:10.000The Bidens received over $1 million for the deal.
00:19:15.000And 16 of the 17 payments to their associates' account that funneled the Biden's money occurred while Joe Biden was vice president.
00:19:25.000In fact, the money stops flowing from the Romanian national soon after Joe Biden leaves the vice presidency.
00:19:47.000So, this was covered in the New York Post.
00:19:48.000It says, this is a headline: Joe Biden bribery allegations were brought to DOJ in 2018, two years before similar claims by whistleblower.
00:19:58.000And it goes on to tell a story that involves you: that you actually were first to report the bribery allegations to then New York U.S. Attorney Jeff Berman in 2018 in an email.
00:20:12.000But then they turn the tables on you, Bud.
00:20:16.000And your story is such that you got investigated by the DOJ.
00:20:21.000They got into your phone and all sorts of craziness ensued.
00:20:24.000So, why don't you start with the why don't you tell us your story, what you found out about the Bidens back in 2018, and how this unraveled so catastrophically and really upended your life?
00:20:38.000Well, that may be, I don't know if it upended my life, but it's certainly offensive to find out that you, you know, they've subpoenaed your records and your phone records.
00:20:48.000And so, so going back to the start, I was approached by some individuals who, when I was in Washington practicing law and doing some lobbying, they asked me if I would be able to arrange a meeting with the prosecutor general from Ukraine, Mr. Luxinko, and the United States Attorney General.
00:21:12.000And the purpose of the meeting was to be a private, confidential meeting that he had actual evidence he wanted to present to legitimate law enforcement authorities at a high level in the United States because it concerned allegations of serious misconduct by individuals that included arguably Joe Biden.
00:21:35.000So for a variety of reasons, I didn't think at that time, and if you go back and look at the events of late 2018 and the recusal of the Attorney General for the Russian probe and the appointment of the Mueller, you know, special counsel and all that, I didn't think it was very likely that I was going to be able to arrange that meeting.
00:21:59.000But I did review their allegations and I noticed that there was a tie to the Southern District of New York U.S. Attorney's Office.
00:22:06.000They were prosecuting Devin Archer, who was an associate of Hunter Biden.
00:22:11.000And there's no better way to quickly get to the bottom of, you know, if some evidence or allegations walk in the door and you're trying to determine if they're credible, there's no better way than to find a guy that's under the gun in the criminal justice process who's motivated to help himself and would have knowledge that would help you.
00:22:30.000You know, ask Devin Archer, is this true?
00:22:35.000So I thought that they might actually have a witness available to them that would be likely to help them quickly determine if it was a valid these allegations are valid.
00:22:47.000So I attempted to reach out to the U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York, Jeff Berman, who I was acquainted with.
00:22:55.000I had a little difficulty getting to him.
00:22:56.000And then when he called me, he caught me kind of off guard.
00:23:00.000And I tried to tell him the story as I understood it and tell him what we were trying to accomplish, you know, a range of meeting and a presentation.
00:23:09.000And then I followed up because he caught me off guard.
00:23:11.000I didn't really have the names, you know, available and the names of the organizations.
00:23:37.000One was they said they had actual evidence and witnesses that would testify that they were encouraged by Obama officials to alter evidence related to Paul Manafort's activities in Ukraine to forge his name on a ledger and to remove information about Gregory Craig, who was Obama's White House counsel and had also been doing business in Ukraine.
00:24:06.000The other allegations were about Hunter Biden and Burisma, payments to Hunter Biden, Devin Archer, Rosemont Seneca partners.
00:24:16.000They said they had witnesses that knew how the money had moved and were willing to testify that they were told which transmissions of funds were specifically for Joe Biden.
00:24:29.000I had no way of, you know, I didn't then and I don't now suggest that I knew that this was credible evidence or I wasn't vouching for it.
00:24:38.000But I thought if a senior law enforcement official from a foreign country wanted to come and actually bring evidence that might, you know, prove such serious crimes, that any legitimate law enforcement in the United States should be willing to give that an audience.
00:24:56.000But I gave, you know, I laid it out for the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York.
00:25:23.000AG Jeff Sessions had recused himself from the Russia investigation.
00:25:29.000And so you sort of saw all this happening.
00:25:32.000Did you understand the significance that Ukraine was going to play?
00:25:37.000I mean, at this point, even in 2018, I'm not sure how much of the American imagination, especially on the conservative side, Ukraine occupied in 2018.
00:25:47.000No, I didn't appreciate the significance.
00:26:00.000I was actually Donald Trump's state chairman in Arkansas in 2016.
00:26:06.000So I had plenty of political connections, plenty of media connections, but I'm also a former federal prosecutor, United States attorney.
00:26:14.000In this instance, I kind of put on my former federal prosecutor hat and I was trying to handle it in a professional way.
00:26:24.000And I didn't, you know, endeavor to try to study the political significance or to go ask people a lot of questions.
00:26:33.000I tried to take it to legitimate law enforcement who I thought should have it and should be interested in it.
00:26:38.000And I think it's noteworthy, maybe self-serving, but noteworthy that when I was frustrated in that, I didn't go to the media.
00:26:47.000I didn't go to the political people that would have loved to have, you know, exploited those kind of allegations.
00:26:53.000I just let it, I let it go because I, at that time, I still had enough respect for DOJ and for the process that I was willing to assume maybe they were doing the right thing and I just didn't know about it.
00:27:05.000Not sure I'd be willing to assume that today.
00:27:07.000But I was still willing to assume that in 2018.
00:27:09.000Isn't that awful, though, Bud, what you just said?
00:27:11.000What an indictment of the last five, six years that we've all lived through and just seeing the blatant weaponization of the DOJ.
00:27:24.000So you call it a retaliation when on December 9, 2019, in the middle of the impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump, federal prosecutors secretly obtained data from your iPhone with a grand jury subpoena to Apple.
00:27:42.000I didn't know about that until late last year.
00:27:44.000Apple finally sent me a notice that, you know, however, three or four years before that they had responded to a subpoena.
00:27:54.000So I had no idea about it until less than a year ago.
00:27:57.000But yes, roughly a year after I made the attempt, and I believe at the same time, they went after records on Rudy Giuliani, Victoria Tensing, Joe DeGenova, all of us attorneys.
00:28:11.000And when you go and start searching through data in a telephone or computer or anywhere that's owned by an attorney, you're immediately tripping up against all kinds of attorney-client privilege issues.
00:28:29.000It's horrifying for anybody to find out that somebody's been looking through their private stuff, but it's particularly concerning if you're an attorney because you have other people's interests also that you're responsible for.
00:29:53.000I don't have a problem with them as part of their vetting process, trying to see what was motivating me and who might be talking to me and who might be paying me.
00:30:02.000They might have asked me first because I would have told them.
00:30:26.000Now, what you're, did you, I'm sure you saw what came out of Oversight this morning, House GOP Oversteit, Comer, some of the allegations of influence peddling.
00:30:37.000Did anything that you saw presented by Comer, I know it was Romania, and I know it was the CCP, Chinese Communist Party, that were highlighted this morning, but there have been dozens of allegations, rumors, innuendo, suspicions surrounding the Biden.
00:30:52.000Did anything that he presented to you?
00:30:55.000Have you now seen evidence that those allegations were in fact accurate, meaning that Berman didn't act on what turned out to be good intel?
00:31:05.000Yeah, and I can't criticize Jeff Berman.
00:31:09.000He's a Trump appointee, but I don't know what his role was in stonewalling the investigation that a potential investigation that I brought him.
00:31:18.000I suspect it had a lot more to do with the FBI, Or people within Maine Justice.
00:31:28.000When I listened to the Comer press conference this morning, I was glad that they made this point, which seems obvious, but it doesn't seem, it hasn't come up much.
00:31:39.000And I mean, my story's been out there.
00:31:41.000It was reported on in 2019 without a lot of fanfare.
00:31:44.000But I mean, my little role in this has been known.
00:31:49.000And I've been challenged, you know, why would you bring, you don't even know if that, you said you didn't know if the evidence was valid and you, you, you know, you took it to the law enforcement.
00:32:00.000I mean, that's what if a lady runs up to you in the park and said, somebody just mugged me and stole my purse, you take her to find a police officer.
00:32:06.000You don't go do your own investigation first to see if you believe that she was, you know, mugged.
00:32:23.000What was, and Comer made this point or some of the other congressmen, what was a legitimate reason for any of these people to be paying Hunter Biden?
00:32:34.000What legitimate service does Hunter Biden offer to foreigners, foreign business people or foreign governments?
00:32:42.000You know, I've seen the Department of Justice right here in Arkansas use the most heavy-handed approach you can imagine to prosecute a state elected official who was an attorney who took attorney business from people who also had business in the legislature and turned that into a public corruption case.
00:33:39.000And when law enforcement becomes a farce, people quit respecting authority and you get chaos.
00:33:44.000And I don't think any neutral party could examine the last six, seven, eight years and say that the Department of Justice and the FBI is treating people on an equal and nonpartisan basis.
00:33:59.000It's impossible to come to that conclusion when you look at the Hillary emails, Clinton Foundation.
00:34:06.000Yeah, if you look at what happened to George Santos, four months in office and he's already facing 20 years and he's in custody in New York.
00:34:12.000And I'm not saying he didn't do what they're alleging or did do.
00:34:15.000I can tell you that some of it looks pretty minor compared to the things that we're looking at with guys like Hunter Biden, who, as your first email said, exercised influence to protect his son's Ukrainian employer in exchange for payments.
00:34:28.000Well, all that sounds extremely plausible and likely true, to your point.
00:34:32.000The people he was working for were the pro-Russian people in Ukraine.