The Charlie Kirk Show - The Great Trump Resurgence with Rich Baris and Bud Cummins

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, everybody.

00:00:01.000 This is Andrew Colvett filling in one last time for Charlie.

00:00:05.000 Then we got Alex Marlow tomorrow.

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00:00:07.000 More great content this week.

00:00:09.000 This episode, we have Rich Barris from Big Data Poll, the amazing Rich Bears.

00:00:13.000 He talks about the surge of Donald Trump and at the detriment of people like Nikki Haley and unfortunately Ron DeSantis for you, Ron DeSantis lovers out there.

00:00:24.000 Trump is surging.

00:00:25.000 There's just no doubt about it.

00:00:26.000 Also, Vivek coming in strong.

00:00:29.000 Also, we talk with former federal prosecutor and a fascinating story of retaliation by the DOJ, Bud Cummins, who actually first reported some of these explosive bribery allegations made against Hunter Biden and reported them to the DOJ in 2018.

00:00:47.000 And you won't believe what happened to him next.

00:00:49.000 It's a phenomenal story.

00:00:50.000 You guys aren't going to want to miss it.

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00:01:37.000 We are just about to welcome in Rich Barris from Big Data Poll, but he has come out with some new numbers.

00:01:44.000 And actually, Revolver.news covered the scoop exclusively, it looks like DeSantis and Nikki Haley lose ground as Trump dominates, plus Vivek's surprising surge.

00:01:57.000 Let's see here.

00:01:58.000 So the question was asked, if the Republican primary were held today, who would you vote for?

00:02:03.000 The results are stunning.

00:02:06.000 This, according to Revolver.news and big data poll, Trump scored 61% and DeSantis is in second with 17% down from a high of 31%.

00:02:18.000 So DeSantis, just to repeat, had a 31% 31% approval in this same poll at a high watermark and is now down to 17.

00:02:30.000 Pence is in third place with 5% in Vivek.

00:02:34.000 Vivek has passed establishment Nikki Haley for fourth at 5%, despite all of the latter's name recognition.

00:02:44.000 It's just stunning stuff.

00:02:48.000 So right after that Big Data poll came out, a second poll was released that corroborated Barris's findings.

00:02:54.000 This is from Morning Consult.

00:02:56.000 Trump is up right now, as of late, 60 to 19, basically exactly in line with what Rich Barris had polled.

00:03:07.000 And now we have the great Rich Barris on the line.

00:03:09.000 Rich, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:12.000 Andrew, how you doing, brother?

00:03:14.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:15.000 Of course, brother.

00:03:16.000 We love having you on.

00:03:17.000 And, you know, listen, I, you know, I know you like to kind of throw a little shade at some of these other pollsters, but I mean, how good does that feel when you come out with this?

00:03:27.000 I mean, listen, Vivek in basically second or third place, fourth place.

00:03:32.000 And then you've got the morning consult that comes in and basically completely justifies all of your polling, once again, showing you to be one of the best in the business.

00:03:39.000 You know, it feels good.

00:03:40.000 I'm not going to lie.

00:03:43.000 That was a softball. 0.99

00:03:44.000 That was like your, how do you, what flavor ice cream do you like question, you know?

00:03:48.000 You know, I mean, the bottom line is here is that, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks ago, we had put up this graphic because we were actually one of the polls that were weaker on Trump's support.

00:04:01.000 You know, we had him at a low of 43, DeSantis at a high just over 30.

00:04:07.000 So, you know, I mean, for the people to come out and, you know, there's always, you always get attacked as a pollster when you come out with stuff. 0.96

00:04:14.000 But if it just makes me laugh because nobody ever comes back on, like, none of these so-called influencers ever come back and go, oh, damn, he was right.

00:04:23.000 You know, but weeks ago, we had done this.

00:04:27.000 It was a combination of bad things that happened to DeSantis, how he handled the indictment, bumbling, and I talked about this with Charlie last time, bungling his response to Tucker, who now is off the air, but about Ukraine, flip-flopping.

00:04:43.000 He flip-flopped first with Tucker because he never was an America first.

00:04:49.000 And so basically, in a nutshell, you know, that's what we expected, you know, that he would surge.

00:04:55.000 But that night, he had gone to 60, and we put that out there and got attacked by everybody and their mother over it.

00:05:03.000 But he didn't hold it, but the trend was clear.

00:05:06.000 And now we see what we see.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, I mean, this trend, when you talk about trend lines, right, with the trend is your friend.

00:05:11.000 I mean, this is remarkable.

00:05:12.000 And listen, I like Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:05:15.000 I, you know, I've been very honest about the fact that I think his response to the Trump indictment and then, yes, some of that foreign policy discussion, signing that bill while in Israel was another, I think, misstep.

00:05:31.000 You know, but that's that being said, he just signed this E-Verify law in Florida today, which I think is a great leading indicator.

00:05:37.000 I think everybody, every red state should be signing E-Verify, but regardless, we digress.

00:05:42.000 But here, check out this trend line.

00:05:44.000 And this is from Morning Consult, which completely lines up with what you're just saying.

00:05:47.000 I just happen to have it in front of me.

00:05:49.000 And Revolver.news covered it when they were revealing your poll results.

00:05:53.000 January 2nd was Trump plus 11 over DeSantis.

00:05:56.000 February 25th, Trump plus 18 over DeSantis.

00:06:00.000 April 9th, Trump plus 33 over DeSantis.

00:06:03.000 And now May 7th, Trump plus 41.

00:06:08.000 Okay, so Rich, I mean, I find that surprising just because I know that DeSantis still has a lot of love.

00:06:15.000 And by the way, talking with people behind the scenes, everybody always says, I love, I love Ron, but you know, just not yet.

00:06:21.000 Or, you know, and obviously there's some like Steve Cortez, who's come on this show, who has just said he's going to be backing DeSantis, working with the DeSantis Pack.

00:06:30.000 You know, there's still a lot of love for DeSantis, what I'm saying.

00:06:33.000 But that's a shockingly high number.

00:06:36.000 And I would say it was my biggest surprise.

00:06:37.000 What's your biggest surprise in these numbers and what's your takeaway?

00:06:41.000 There's a couple.

00:06:42.000 And if you, and by the way, I think he felt like a point, but DeSantis went down.

00:06:46.000 I just put up the new crosstab.

00:06:48.000 So DeSantis was at 16.6, so roughly still 17, and Trump 59.9.

00:06:54.000 But I mean, he's hovering there, 60%, Andrew.

00:06:57.000 And what surprised me, there are a few.

00:07:00.000 One is, contrary to all of the conventional wisdom you hear from DeSantis supporters and others, which is very simple.

00:07:06.000 This is number one: gender. 0.78

00:07:08.000 Trump does better with women than he does with men.

00:07:10.000 Women, Republican and Independent women, are fueling Trump's surge and have been. 0.79

00:07:17.000 Trump has been over 60 with women.

00:07:20.000 Hold on.

00:07:20.000 Wait, hold on.

00:07:21.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.000 No, I don't know.

00:07:23.000 That does not jive with any of the narrative.

00:07:26.000 The narrative is: you know, I saw Ian Miles Chong on Twitter say, Trump just lost women with this E. Gene Carroll thing, right?

00:07:33.000 Not, in my opinion, not his best take.

00:07:35.000 I like some of his stuff, not that particular one.

00:07:38.000 Wait, hold on.

00:07:39.000 They don't have to.

00:07:40.000 What happened?

00:07:41.000 What happened between Trump did not do well in 2020, or at least as well as he needed to do in 2020?

00:07:48.000 What changed? 0.54

00:07:48.000 What flipped women? 0.54

00:07:51.000 You know, a lot of it is actually, and this dovetails into another demographic that surprised me because of the margin.

00:07:57.000 Not that Trump's winning them, but there were some working class women that did go for Biden. 1.00

00:08:04.000 That's just the same thing that happened, only it happened worse to Romney, where Barack Obama did better with white working class than polls and forecasts and exit polls.

00:08:13.000 It suggests that he did, or at least initial exit polls.

00:08:17.000 And what happened?

00:08:18.000 There are some white women. 1.00

00:08:20.000 You're looking at states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, where, you know, they we called it the seasick voter. 0.80

00:08:27.000 Trump, the boat was always rocking, and Trump really needed to like hold their head while they were vomiting off the side of the boat.

00:08:33.000 Instead, he was like, stop whining, you weenie, you know, so, you know, so you're throwing up, get over it, you know, because that's Trump.

00:08:40.000 Now, though, it's different.

00:08:41.000 I mean, it's more like a Grover Cleveland kind of situation where it is what it is.

00:08:46.000 Maybe you weren't keen on the guy and you voted for him against Hillary because you didn't like Hillary, but then Biden, you thought was kind of a decent guy.

00:08:55.000 The shine's off Biden now.

00:08:56.000 It's off Biden now.

00:08:58.000 And then Republican women is a totally different phenomenon than the general election. 1.00

00:09:04.000 So among Republican women, he beats DeSantis. 0.99

00:09:07.000 I'm looking at it right now, 63 to 15.

00:09:10.000 He only beats DeSantis among men 57 to 18, which, by the way, is a 10-point improvement with men since last month in our poll and a nine-point improvement with women.

00:09:21.000 DeSantis was, you know, in the mid to high 20s with men consistently, consistently.

00:09:28.000 His shock collapse came from DeSantis.

00:09:32.000 It's a huge.

00:09:32.000 And then when you look at working class among all voters, non-white, white in the Republican primary that don't have any college, not some, an associate, nothing, high school or less, Trump beats him 65 to 11.

00:09:47.000 And when you look at just white non-college voters, 69 to 11.

00:09:53.000 So it's like, I couldn't, I knew he would be at 30, 35 point lead with these people, but we're talking about 57 point leads now, 54 point leads, 58, 54 between respectively.

00:10:06.000 You've seen big comebacks in the past.

00:10:06.000 Okay, huge.

00:10:08.000 We've only got 30 seconds left, and I know you have a heart out.

00:10:12.000 We've seen big comebacks in the past.

00:10:14.000 Is there any coming back from this?

00:10:16.000 The problem is, again, and I know I'm short on time, not all candidates get a bounce from an announcement, but they all get scrutiny.

00:10:25.000 And when Ron DeSantis got a little bit of scrutiny, he collapsed.

00:10:29.000 Secondly, historically speaking, without an incumbent president, without a president, former president, someone polling at 20%, where Ron was last month in our poll, a little over, has about a 20% chance to win the nomination, polling at 20% at this point.

00:10:43.000 So do the math.

00:10:45.000 That's a tough row to hoe. 1.00

00:10:47.000 That's what it is. 1.00

00:10:47.000 Rich, thanks for your time. 1.00

00:10:49.000 We'll have you back on again soon.

00:10:50.000 God bless you, my friend.

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00:11:32.000 I want to talk about this bombshell story.

00:11:35.000 I think it's one of the biggest bombshells going on.

00:11:38.000 And again, when we say bombshell, we really mean it.

00:11:42.000 In a saner country, heads would roll.

00:11:46.000 They would.

00:11:48.000 These are crazy, incredible, incredible, incriminating stories.

00:11:51.000 One after the other after the other.

00:11:54.000 The brazenness with which the other side behaves and acts with impunity is just fascinating.

00:12:01.000 New York Post, CIA fast-track letter that falsely suggested Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:12:10.000 So not only, so let me just rehash some of the details here.

00:12:15.000 The CIA acting director Mike Morell got a call from Anthony Blinken.

00:12:25.000 A call, Mr. Blinken, now our Secretary of State, denies happened.

00:12:30.000 He said, I need this letter.

00:12:32.000 So then Mike Morrell, who was largely tapped should Joe Biden get elected, widely rumored that he would become CIA director.

00:12:42.000 So his point is he is incentivized to be doing helpful things for the Biden campaign.

00:12:51.000 Unfortunately for him, he wasn't tapped to be that person.

00:12:54.000 So maybe he did a bad thing by putting himself out there in a risky situation.

00:13:00.000 Anyway, so he starts soliciting other members of the Intel community to sign this letter.

00:13:08.000 And last week we learned that John Solomon had gotten his hands on an email back and forth saying, hey, I need to get talking points for Joe Biden's final presidential debate on Thursday.

00:13:20.000 And then sure enough, we played this clip last week. 0.97

00:13:23.000 Joe Biden then says in the debate, 50 former Intel officials say this is garbage. 1.00

00:13:30.000 What you're saying, Mr. Trump, is garbage. 1.00

00:13:32.000 Russian disinfo. 1.00

00:13:33.000 So he used the line that his handlers gave him that Mike Morrell helped establish.

00:13:38.000 So straight from the New York Post.

00:13:43.000 The CIA conspired with former acting director Mike Morrell and the Biden campaign to produce a letter falsely claiming that emails from Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation and solicited signatures from at least one former intelligence official.

00:13:57.000 So solicitation of signatures.

00:14:00.000 Moreo told the CIA's pre-publication classification review board, the PCRB, that he needed the letter approved as an unusual rush job that day, October 19, 2020, in an effort to provide then-candidate Joe Biden ammunition in the final presidential debate to discredit the Post reporting on the Biden emails, which had been published five days earlier.

00:14:26.000 So here's another piece from the Post.

00:14:30.000 Mark Polymeropoulos, a former CIA acting chief of operations for Europe and Eurasia, congratulated Morell.

00:14:37.000 So again, he's writing a book.

00:14:39.000 He needs to get this reviewed by the CIA before it then gets published.

00:14:44.000 And so Mark Polymeropoulos congratulated Morell on the afternoon of October 19th, 2020 for securing the pre-publication classification review board.

00:14:54.000 Lightning fast.

00:14:56.000 You have some juice, he texted.

00:14:59.000 Morel texts back with the PCRB, the review board.

00:15:05.000 Yes, ha, replies Pauli Miropoulos.

00:15:09.000 Ha is right, texted Morell.

00:15:11.000 They are probably scared.

00:15:12.000 I am coming back.

00:15:15.000 So you have to understand, he's motivated.

00:15:18.000 He wants a position in an upcoming Biden administration.

00:15:21.000 He wants to be tapped to lead the CIA.

00:15:23.000 Right now, he's just acting at this point.

00:15:26.000 And then we know that he solicited letters from Brennan.

00:15:30.000 We know that he solicited our signatures from Brennan.

00:15:33.000 We know that he did share correspondence with Blinken.

00:15:37.000 This whole thing is so corrupt, it blows, it legitimately blows my mind.

00:15:45.000 We live in a day and age where there's nothing that surprises us, right?

00:15:48.000 We've seen it all.

00:15:49.000 The amount of corruption, the amount of covering up for other Democrats and Biden members of his campaign, if you will.

00:16:02.000 We've seen it all for his members of his family.

00:16:04.000 Nothing should surprise us.

00:16:07.000 This surprises me.

00:16:09.000 This is absolutely insane that the intelligence community, during an active presidential weeks before we vote on the president of the United States, is actively being solicited and co-opted by the Biden campaign to not only solicit signatures, but then they fast-track them.

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00:18:18.000 I want to talk about this.

00:18:18.000 So we're actually going to be bringing on Bud Cummins, who's a former federal prosecutor who raised the issue of the corruption and the bribery that has been dogging the Biden family crime syndicate, as I like to call them, for years.

00:18:35.000 He brought it up in 2018 and they actually ended up investigating him instead of the Bidens.

00:18:42.000 So I want to just set once again, I want to set the tone here.

00:18:46.000 I want to bring up some of these clips from this morning, which were really, really powerful.

00:18:51.000 So let's go ahead and play Comer Cut 79.

00:18:55.000 Hunter Biden and his associates capitalized on a lucrative financial relationship with a Romanian national who was under investigation for and later convicted of corruption in Romania.

00:19:10.000 The Bidens received over $1 million for the deal.

00:19:15.000 And 16 of the 17 payments to their associates' account that funneled the Biden's money occurred while Joe Biden was vice president.

00:19:25.000 In fact, the money stops flowing from the Romanian national soon after Joe Biden leaves the vice presidency.

00:19:33.000 All right.

00:19:33.000 So, I do believe we have former federal prosecutor Bud Cummins on with us.

00:19:37.000 Bud, are you there?

00:19:39.000 I'm here.

00:19:40.000 Fantastic.

00:19:40.000 Thank you for technical difficulties, but I think I'm here.

00:19:43.000 Fantastic.

00:19:44.000 Well, thank you for joining the show.

00:19:45.000 We really appreciate it.

00:19:47.000 So, this was covered in the New York Post.

00:19:48.000 It says, this is a headline: Joe Biden bribery allegations were brought to DOJ in 2018, two years before similar claims by whistleblower.

00:19:58.000 And it goes on to tell a story that involves you: that you actually were first to report the bribery allegations to then New York U.S. Attorney Jeff Berman in 2018 in an email.

00:20:12.000 But then they turn the tables on you, Bud.

00:20:16.000 And your story is such that you got investigated by the DOJ.

00:20:21.000 They got into your phone and all sorts of craziness ensued.

00:20:24.000 So, why don't you start with the why don't you tell us your story, what you found out about the Bidens back in 2018, and how this unraveled so catastrophically and really upended your life?

00:20:38.000 Well, that may be, I don't know if it upended my life, but it's certainly offensive to find out that you, you know, they've subpoenaed your records and your phone records.

00:20:48.000 And so, so going back to the start, I was approached by some individuals who, when I was in Washington practicing law and doing some lobbying, they asked me if I would be able to arrange a meeting with the prosecutor general from Ukraine, Mr. Luxinko, and the United States Attorney General.

00:21:12.000 And the purpose of the meeting was to be a private, confidential meeting that he had actual evidence he wanted to present to legitimate law enforcement authorities at a high level in the United States because it concerned allegations of serious misconduct by individuals that included arguably Joe Biden.

00:21:35.000 So for a variety of reasons, I didn't think at that time, and if you go back and look at the events of late 2018 and the recusal of the Attorney General for the Russian probe and the appointment of the Mueller, you know, special counsel and all that, I didn't think it was very likely that I was going to be able to arrange that meeting.

00:21:57.000 It just seemed too political.

00:21:59.000 But I did review their allegations and I noticed that there was a tie to the Southern District of New York U.S. Attorney's Office.

00:22:06.000 They were prosecuting Devin Archer, who was an associate of Hunter Biden.

00:22:11.000 And there's no better way to quickly get to the bottom of, you know, if some evidence or allegations walk in the door and you're trying to determine if they're credible, there's no better way than to find a guy that's under the gun in the criminal justice process who's motivated to help himself and would have knowledge that would help you.

00:22:30.000 You know, ask Devin Archer, is this true?

00:22:32.000 Were you involved in this?

00:22:34.000 What can you tell us?

00:22:35.000 So I thought that they might actually have a witness available to them that would be likely to help them quickly determine if it was a valid these allegations are valid.

00:22:47.000 So I attempted to reach out to the U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York, Jeff Berman, who I was acquainted with.

00:22:55.000 I had a little difficulty getting to him.

00:22:56.000 And then when he called me, he caught me kind of off guard.

00:22:59.000 I didn't expect his call.

00:23:00.000 And I tried to tell him the story as I understood it and tell him what we were trying to accomplish, you know, a range of meeting and a presentation.

00:23:09.000 And then I followed up because he caught me off guard.

00:23:11.000 I didn't really have the names, you know, available and the names of the organizations.

00:23:18.000 I wasn't an expert on Ukraine.

00:23:20.000 I didn't have a lot of knowledge about who these people were.

00:23:23.000 And so I tried to fill in the blanks the next day by sending him an email that pretty much laid out the allegations as I understood them.

00:23:30.000 And they fell into two.

00:23:31.000 I'm going to quit talking here in a minute.

00:23:33.000 Ask me another question.

00:23:35.000 They fell into two basic categories.

00:23:37.000 One was they said they had actual evidence and witnesses that would testify that they were encouraged by Obama officials to alter evidence related to Paul Manafort's activities in Ukraine to forge his name on a ledger and to remove information about Gregory Craig, who was Obama's White House counsel and had also been doing business in Ukraine.

00:24:06.000 The other allegations were about Hunter Biden and Burisma, payments to Hunter Biden, Devin Archer, Rosemont Seneca partners.

00:24:15.000 They laid all that out.

00:24:16.000 They said they had witnesses that knew how the money had moved and were willing to testify that they were told which transmissions of funds were specifically for Joe Biden.

00:24:29.000 I had no way of, you know, I didn't then and I don't now suggest that I knew that this was credible evidence or I wasn't vouching for it.

00:24:38.000 But I thought if a senior law enforcement official from a foreign country wanted to come and actually bring evidence that might, you know, prove such serious crimes, that any legitimate law enforcement in the United States should be willing to give that an audience.

00:24:56.000 But I gave, you know, I laid it out for the U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York.

00:25:00.000 He said he'd get back to me.

00:25:02.000 You know, I laid it out in an email.

00:25:04.000 And again, this is never heard from him since.

00:25:05.000 This is 2018, right?

00:25:07.000 So you kind of laid it.

00:25:08.000 This is October 2018.

00:25:11.000 October 2018.

00:25:12.000 So help our audience.

00:25:14.000 You mentioned some of the contemporaneous events that were happening in the larger political landscape at the time.

00:25:21.000 Mueller had been appointed.

00:25:23.000 AG Jeff Sessions had recused himself from the Russia investigation.

00:25:29.000 And so you sort of saw all this happening.

00:25:32.000 Did you understand the significance that Ukraine was going to play?

00:25:37.000 I mean, at this point, even in 2018, I'm not sure how much of the American imagination, especially on the conservative side, Ukraine occupied in 2018.

00:25:47.000 No, I didn't appreciate the significance.

00:25:51.000 And frankly, I've worn several hats.

00:25:54.000 I'm an attorney.

00:25:55.000 I've been a lobbyist.

00:25:56.000 I've been a political candidate.

00:25:58.000 I'm a lifelong Republican.

00:26:00.000 I was actually Donald Trump's state chairman in Arkansas in 2016.

00:26:06.000 So I had plenty of political connections, plenty of media connections, but I'm also a former federal prosecutor, United States attorney.

00:26:14.000 In this instance, I kind of put on my former federal prosecutor hat and I was trying to handle it in a professional way.

00:26:24.000 And I didn't, you know, endeavor to try to study the political significance or to go ask people a lot of questions.

00:26:33.000 I tried to take it to legitimate law enforcement who I thought should have it and should be interested in it.

00:26:38.000 And I think it's noteworthy, maybe self-serving, but noteworthy that when I was frustrated in that, I didn't go to the media.

00:26:47.000 I didn't go to the political people that would have loved to have, you know, exploited those kind of allegations.

00:26:53.000 I just let it, I let it go because I, at that time, I still had enough respect for DOJ and for the process that I was willing to assume maybe they were doing the right thing and I just didn't know about it.

00:27:05.000 Not sure I'd be willing to assume that today.

00:27:07.000 But I was still willing to assume that in 2018.

00:27:09.000 Isn't that awful, though, Bud, what you just said?

00:27:11.000 What an indictment of the last five, six years that we've all lived through and just seeing the blatant weaponization of the DOJ.

00:27:20.000 And obviously you lived through it.

00:27:22.000 I mean, your story is incredible.

00:27:24.000 So you call it a retaliation when on December 9, 2019, in the middle of the impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump, federal prosecutors secretly obtained data from your iPhone with a grand jury subpoena to Apple.

00:27:41.000 How did you find this out?

00:27:42.000 I didn't know about that until late last year.

00:27:44.000 Apple finally sent me a notice that, you know, however, three or four years before that they had responded to a subpoena.

00:27:54.000 So I had no idea about it until less than a year ago.

00:27:57.000 But yes, roughly a year after I made the attempt, and I believe at the same time, they went after records on Rudy Giuliani, Victoria Tensing, Joe DeGenova, all of us attorneys.

00:28:11.000 And when you go and start searching through data in a telephone or computer or anywhere that's owned by an attorney, you're immediately tripping up against all kinds of attorney-client privilege issues.

00:28:27.000 So it's particularly horrifying.

00:28:29.000 It's horrifying for anybody to find out that somebody's been looking through their private stuff, but it's particularly concerning if you're an attorney because you have other people's interests also that you're responsible for.

00:28:39.000 I mean, I have so many questions.

00:28:43.000 I mean, honestly, it's like, how does the United States government surveil United States citizens without their knowledge?

00:28:52.000 And Apple waits three or four years to tell you about it.

00:28:55.000 I thought Apple was supposed to be the, you know, the privacy, the privacy company.

00:29:00.000 I thought that was their whole MO.

00:29:01.000 And they told you three or four.

00:29:04.000 Do you have any, I don't know, legal standing here to sort of go after these people for targeting you in this way?

00:29:13.000 I mean, I don't even know what you do.

00:29:14.000 What do you do when you get a letter that says the U.S. government hacked into your phone three years ago?

00:29:21.000 I imagine that I do.

00:29:23.000 I haven't, I've yet to pursue any of those avenues.

00:29:28.000 You're too nice, bud.

00:29:30.000 Well, I believe that maybe some of the other attorneys are, and I'm kind of waiting to see how that plays out.

00:29:37.000 But the bigger picture is, I mean, look, I don't really have a problem.

00:29:40.000 I came with some fairly dramatic allegations on behalf of someone else about a former vice president.

00:29:51.000 Foreign countries were involved.

00:29:53.000 I don't have a problem with them as part of their vetting process, trying to see what was motivating me and who might be talking to me and who might be paying me.

00:30:02.000 They might have asked me first because I would have told them.

00:30:05.000 Exactly.

00:30:06.000 But I don't really have a problem with that if it was part and parcel of an investigation of the actual allegations and the evidence.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 I mean, think about the Russia pro.

00:30:17.000 Well, hold on.

00:30:18.000 Hillary Clinton's campaign buys a fake dossier and gives it to the FBI.

00:30:22.000 Doesn't look like to me that they questioned the source of that very much.

00:30:25.000 They ran with it.

00:30:26.000 Now, what you're, did you, I'm sure you saw what came out of Oversight this morning, House GOP Oversteit, Comer, some of the allegations of influence peddling.

00:30:37.000 Did anything that you saw presented by Comer, I know it was Romania, and I know it was the CCP, Chinese Communist Party, that were highlighted this morning, but there have been dozens of allegations, rumors, innuendo, suspicions surrounding the Biden.

00:30:52.000 Did anything that he presented to you?

00:30:55.000 Have you now seen evidence that those allegations were in fact accurate, meaning that Berman didn't act on what turned out to be good intel?

00:31:05.000 Yeah, and I can't criticize Jeff Berman.

00:31:09.000 He's a Trump appointee, but I don't know what his role was in stonewalling the investigation that a potential investigation that I brought him.

00:31:18.000 I suspect it had a lot more to do with the FBI, Or people within Maine Justice.

00:31:26.000 I think a couple of things.

00:31:28.000 When I listened to the Comer press conference this morning, I was glad that they made this point, which seems obvious, but it doesn't seem, it hasn't come up much.

00:31:39.000 And I mean, my story's been out there.

00:31:41.000 It was reported on in 2019 without a lot of fanfare.

00:31:44.000 But I mean, my little role in this has been known.

00:31:49.000 And I've been challenged, you know, why would you bring, you don't even know if that, you said you didn't know if the evidence was valid and you, you, you know, you took it to the law enforcement.

00:31:58.000 Well, of course I did.

00:32:00.000 I mean, that's what if a lady runs up to you in the park and said, somebody just mugged me and stole my purse, you take her to find a police officer.

00:32:06.000 You don't go do your own investigation first to see if you believe that she was, you know, mugged.

00:32:11.000 You take her to the law enforcement.

00:32:13.000 That's what I did.

00:32:13.000 I went to legitimate law enforcement.

00:32:15.000 But people have tried to challenge me.

00:32:16.000 I've noticed online and Twitter or whatever for that.

00:32:21.000 The point is this.

00:32:23.000 What was, and Comer made this point or some of the other congressmen, what was a legitimate reason for any of these people to be paying Hunter Biden?

00:32:34.000 What legitimate service does Hunter Biden offer to foreigners, foreign business people or foreign governments?

00:32:42.000 You know, I've seen the Department of Justice right here in Arkansas use the most heavy-handed approach you can imagine to prosecute a state elected official who was an attorney who took attorney business from people who also had business in the legislature and turned that into a public corruption case.

00:33:03.000 But he was an attorney.

00:33:04.000 He had legitimate services to sell and he had an argument to make.

00:33:10.000 What is Hunter Biden's argument?

00:33:11.000 What does Hunter Biden say he was selling if it wasn't Joe Biden's influence?

00:33:16.000 And they made a good, they did a good job this morning, finally, of bringing that out.

00:33:21.000 It's not so much proof to me that this was connected.

00:33:25.000 They need to prove to us that it wasn't because there's no obvious explanation for this money to be changing hands.

00:33:32.000 I think that's point one.

00:33:33.000 And the other point is we got a dual system of justice in this country.

00:33:38.000 It's a farce.

00:33:39.000 And when law enforcement becomes a farce, people quit respecting authority and you get chaos.

00:33:44.000 And I don't think any neutral party could examine the last six, seven, eight years and say that the Department of Justice and the FBI is treating people on an equal and nonpartisan basis.

00:33:59.000 It's impossible to come to that conclusion when you look at the Hillary emails, Clinton Foundation.

00:34:04.000 Well, but Hunter Biden.

00:34:06.000 Yeah, if you look at what happened to George Santos, four months in office and he's already facing 20 years and he's in custody in New York.

00:34:12.000 And I'm not saying he didn't do what they're alleging or did do.

00:34:15.000 I can tell you that some of it looks pretty minor compared to the things that we're looking at with guys like Hunter Biden, who, as your first email said, exercised influence to protect his son's Ukrainian employer in exchange for payments.

00:34:28.000 Well, all that sounds extremely plausible and likely true, to your point.

00:34:32.000 The people he was working for were the pro-Russian people in Ukraine.

00:34:36.000 All these people that loved Ukraine.

00:34:38.000 Hunter Biden was working for the pro-Russians.

00:34:40.000 It's a point not many people make.

00:34:41.000 I like that.

00:34:42.000 Thank you, Bud, for joining us.

00:34:43.000 Thank you for sharing your story with us.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 11, 2023

The Great Trump Resurgence with Rich Baris and Bud Cummins

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