The Charlie Kirk Show - August 23, 2023


The Harvard Set's War Against the Constitution with Alan Dershowitz and Noah Durham


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Noah Durham, field rep for Turning Point USA, joins us to talk about what it means to be a conservative in college and why it's important to have a conservative chapter at your local college or high school.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, fan of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Turning Point USA is taking charge on campuses.
00:00:05.000 We are making America a better country, and the reinforcements are coming.
00:00:09.000 You're going to leave us some hope after this interview.
00:00:11.000 You'll love it.
00:00:12.000 Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:15.000 Get involved with Turning Point USA today at tpusa.com.
00:00:21.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:23.000 Start a high school or college chapter today at tpusa.com.
00:00:29.000 Get engaged, get involved with Turning Point USA.
00:00:32.000 That is TPUSA.com.
00:00:35.000 As always, you can email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:39.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:40.000 Here we go.
00:00:41.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:43.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:45.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:49.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:52.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:53.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:54.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:02.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries.
00:01:06.000 Destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:11.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:23.000 This is the most conservative high school graduating, entering college class of boys in the last 40 years.
00:01:34.000 Something huge is happening, and we saw that poll.
00:01:37.000 And then I'm starting to get reports from our amazing Turning Point USA field team saying, Charlie, we're now seeing this on the ground.
00:01:44.000 We're seeing this when we're recruiting.
00:01:45.000 The response is incredible.
00:01:48.000 Now we have the macro and the micro together.
00:01:50.000 Joining us now is Noah Durham, who is a field rep for the best organization in America.
00:01:55.000 I'm a little biased.
00:01:56.000 Turning Point USA.
00:01:58.000 Noah, welcome to the program.
00:02:00.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.
00:02:01.000 No, yeah, you're absolutely right.
00:02:03.000 We are seeing it on the ground firsthand.
00:02:06.000 Just in the first week of me being back on campus, Recruiting for Turning Point USA chapters across the South.
00:02:13.000 We've connected over 800 freshmen just in my territory to their Turning Point USA chapter at their college and university.
00:02:20.000 So we're seeing it.
00:02:22.000 We're seeing the hype.
00:02:23.000 And so just everyone knows, Turning Point USA, we are doing the work on the ground to save America.
00:02:28.000 This is clipboard and tennis shoes type work.
00:02:29.000 While other people are kind of talking and debating past each other in Washington, D.C., and they're writing white papers that people won't read.
00:02:36.000 Look at these images, one after the other, after the other, doing the difficult work.
00:02:40.000 Noah, walk us through in detail.
00:02:42.000 This is tough work.
00:02:43.000 This requires grit.
00:02:44.000 This requires hustle, but the payoff is huge.
00:02:47.000 Noah, tell us about it.
00:02:49.000 Yeah.
00:02:50.000 So, you know, first thing when I get on campus, I just set up a table and start talking about the conservative movement with people.
00:02:57.000 And I've seen time and time again students come up and say, wait, is this a place that supports free speech?
00:03:04.000 Is this a place that I can go to on campus and make friends that think the way that I do?
00:03:09.000 And yes, absolutely it is.
00:03:12.000 And the movement's growing and the word is spreading around campus.
00:03:15.000 I'm so excited to see it grow, especially this year.
00:03:17.000 And so tell us are you seeing, you know, especially with young men, are you seeing a little bit of a heightened interest more so than previous years?
00:03:26.000 Yeah.
00:03:27.000 And I absolutely think they're fed up.
00:03:29.000 I think they're pissed off coming out of the public school system at their high school.
00:03:33.000 They're tired of these liberal indoctrination camps that keep weighing them down and they're not able to express themselves in school freely as much as they are on college campuses.
00:03:43.000 And then they come to college and they say, you know what?
00:03:46.000 Now is the time.
00:03:47.000 I'm sick and tired.
00:03:49.000 I'm joining a Turning Point USA chapter, and I'm going to make a difference on my campus and in my community.
00:03:55.000 And that's also why I'm really excited for our high school department expanding and getting onto even more high school campuses than ever before.
00:04:04.000 So, yeah, it's great things all the way around.
00:04:06.000 And so, we are the only organization in America, Turning Point USA, that has a full time staff, nearly 50 to 60 people, just focused on high school chapter development.
00:04:06.000 Yeah.
00:04:17.000 By the way, as we're talking here, if anyone is interested, go to tpusa.com.
00:04:21.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:04:23.000 Start a high school chapter, start a college chapter.
00:04:25.000 That's 60 full time people.
00:04:27.000 By comparison, the RNC has zero people doing anything.
00:04:29.000 They're up in Milwaukee doing whatever.
00:04:31.000 But, Noah, talk about the grittiness of the work.
00:04:33.000 I mean, your students get, by the administration, they get smeared, they get slandered.
00:04:37.000 You have a generally conservative region, right?
00:04:40.000 Panhandle region, but some of the schools are as liberal as Stalingrad.
00:04:44.000 Tell us about it, Noah.
00:04:46.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:04:47.000 I mean, we've seen, just honestly, last week we had a number of freshmen come up and they say, hey, I know this is syllabus week, but we just had a number of classes in the political science department.
00:05:00.000 And they seem to already be pushing these liberal and woke agendas day one with their curriculum.
00:05:07.000 And so they are scared.
00:05:10.000 They're wanting a community to support them.
00:05:14.000 And we can provide that for them on campus.
00:05:16.000 And just, you know, creating that space where someone can come together and meet with like minded students and have that support and be able to report on the professors that are, you know, basically creating these indoctrination camps in their classrooms.
00:05:31.000 Is a great resource for them and they're very appreciative of it.
00:05:34.000 And yeah.
00:05:35.000 You guys want hope that are watching at home.
00:05:37.000 Look at these images.
00:05:38.000 One after we got hundreds, we got thousands of these on campuses across America.
00:05:43.000 When we first started Turning Point USA, I was told can't happen.
00:05:47.000 Young people are liberal.
00:05:48.000 This work is already getting done. 1.00
00:05:49.000 That is a lie.
00:05:50.000 A lot of those groups are low energy.
00:05:53.000 They're out of the way now.
00:05:54.000 They're old.
00:05:55.000 They're outdated.
00:05:56.000 We are on the front lines doing the work.
00:05:58.000 So proud.
00:05:59.000 Noah, tell the audience your story.
00:06:00.000 You started as a chapter leader, which is the Navy SEALs of the conservative movement.
00:06:04.000 Tell us about it, Noah.
00:06:06.000 Yes, sir.
00:06:07.000 I was actually, I think I was a junior or senior at Auburn University.
00:06:12.000 And, you know, I'd followed Turning Point USA since the beginning on social media and everything.
00:06:17.000 And honestly, I saw how the college Republicans on campus were all just kind of lame, not really doing much, didn't have much interaction and all.
00:06:25.000 And I was like, let's start a Turning Point USA chapter.
00:06:28.000 So I just went on the website and looked up all the information, how to get it started, and kicked it off from that point on.
00:06:34.000 And, you know, I had.
00:06:36.000 You know, probably 10 to 12 members until I left the school, just regular members at the chapter meetings and everything.
00:06:44.000 We still had a great time.
00:06:45.000 But now I get to work with that same chapter that has over 400 members.
00:06:50.000 Wow.
00:06:50.000 Yeah, 400 members at their chapter.
00:06:52.000 It's grown significantly.
00:06:53.000 They actually just had their first meeting last night, their first chapter meeting of the semester, and over 50 freshmen attended their chapter alone.
00:07:02.000 And we must understand there's some kids that are afraid.
00:07:05.000 These are kids that are outspoken, right?
00:07:07.000 Because there's a silent majority, too, right?
00:07:08.000 Now, talk about that.
00:07:09.000 I bet, you know, because we do this thing called tabling at Turning Point USA, which is our bread and butter.
00:07:13.000 Because unlike these other groups that just sit around on their hands and do nothing, we're not afraid, you know, to sweat.
00:07:19.000 We're not afraid to wake up early.
00:07:20.000 Tabling is the backbone at Turning Point USA.
00:07:23.000 So, Noah, but tell me, I bet there's people that come up all the time.
00:07:25.000 I hear these stories.
00:07:26.000 Again, this is coast to coast from Buffalo to Arizona State, UCLA.
00:07:29.000 We got thousands of these images.
00:07:30.000 Noah, you hear from people and they whisper and they say, I'm with you.
00:07:35.000 I'm with you.
00:07:35.000 Talk about the whisper, Noah.
00:07:37.000 It's a big thing.
00:07:37.000 Tell us about it.
00:07:39.000 No, absolutely.
00:07:40.000 And I'll take it a step further.
00:07:42.000 Yes, students whisper.
00:07:43.000 But we also have a number of college professors that come by the table and they say, Hey, I'm with you.
00:07:49.000 They kind of walk up, look around, make sure none of their coworkers are watching.
00:07:53.000 But that's the same kind of thing.
00:07:55.000 There is this silent majority that's still kind of waiting in the balance.
00:07:59.000 I feel like COVID helped a lot of people come out of the closet as a conservative, but we still have to push more and more to encourage more of these professors and students to come out of the closet and express their conservative values openly and proudly.
00:08:17.000 Openly and proudly.
00:08:18.000 And so if anyone across the country wants to start a Turning Point USA chapter, go to tpusa.com.
00:08:24.000 That is TPUSA.com.
00:08:25.000 We are also hiring, right?
00:08:28.000 And the louder we get, the better.
00:08:30.000 I was told repeatedly by the Republican conservative oligarchs, this can't be done on campus, a waste of time.
00:08:36.000 We have proven them wrong over 11 years.
00:08:39.000 When we first started 11 years ago, the millennial generation was supposed to be the most progressive generation, just from a worldview perspective.
00:08:45.000 Now millennials are about 50 50, almost within 50 50, and Gen Z is trending amazingly.
00:08:50.000 Noah, are you seeing that Gen Z? 0.55
00:08:52.000 Have you seen something change for the positive, even more enthusiasm and more energy as we close this out, Noah? 0.96
00:08:59.000 Absolutely.
00:09:01.000 I mean, like I said, over 800 freshmen connected to their chapters just in week one.
00:09:05.000 That's amazing.
00:09:06.000 Week one.
00:09:07.000 That's just one region, by the way, everybody.
00:09:09.000 We got tons of these.
00:09:10.000 This is just one place.
00:09:11.000 Keep going.
00:09:11.000 That's just college.
00:09:12.000 For sure.
00:09:14.000 Yeah.
00:09:14.000 Week one, and we're seeing it too.
00:09:16.000 The excitement when we're tabling students are running across the concourse to our table the second that they see our signs, the second they see the Turning Point USA logo.
00:09:26.000 And they're like, okay, now's the time.
00:09:28.000 I've seen you on social media.
00:09:29.000 It's time to get involved.
00:09:31.000 I want to make a difference here.
00:09:33.000 TPUSA.com.
00:09:34.000 Noah, tell people what happens when they sign up to start a chapter.
00:09:37.000 They hear from you or one of our reps, and we get them going.
00:09:39.000 No excuses.
00:09:40.000 By the way, adults, get your kids involved.
00:09:43.000 If you're students, TPUSA.com.
00:09:45.000 Noah, tell us about it really quick.
00:09:47.000 Yeah, get involved.
00:09:48.000 Sign up on the Get Involved Forum on the website.
00:09:51.000 Your Turning Point USA representative will reach out to you and get you plugged in with your chapter.
00:09:56.000 It's start a chapter today.
00:09:57.000 It's great.
00:09:58.000 Start a chapter.
00:09:59.000 It's TPUSA.com.
00:10:00.000 Noah, you're doing great work.
00:10:02.000 So proud.
00:10:03.000 We have the best staff in the movement.
00:10:05.000 And it really is special to see over 11 years. 1.00
00:10:08.000 I'm telling you, Gen Z is going to shock the world. 0.99
00:10:10.000 They know it. 1.00
00:10:11.000 That's why they attack Turning Point USA so much.
00:10:13.000 We're the most attacked organization in America.
00:10:15.000 Noah, God bless you.
00:10:16.000 Can't wait to see you.
00:10:17.000 Maybe at a campus stop, UCF.
00:10:19.000 I'm not sure if that's your territory or not, but.
00:10:21.000 I'll be there.
00:10:22.000 All right.
00:10:22.000 We'll see you there.
00:10:23.000 All right.
00:10:24.000 Thanks, Noah.
00:10:24.000 God bless.
00:10:25.000 Thank you.
00:10:26.000 That's tpusa.com, frontlines.
00:10:28.000 That should be your white pill, everybody.
00:10:30.000 Oh, Charlie, things are terrible.
00:10:31.000 Stop it.
00:10:32.000 Go to work.
00:10:34.000 Oh, you know, the country.
00:10:35.000 No, stop it. 0.71
00:10:35.000 Get out of the way. 0.71
00:10:36.000 If that's the kind of complaining you're going to do, I got no patience for you.
00:10:40.000 Seriously.
00:10:41.000 I get these emails.
00:10:41.000 Charlie, it's a waste of time and all this.
00:10:43.000 I don't have the luxury to believe such garbage. 0.99
00:10:47.000 Do something about it. 0.99
00:10:49.000 Reinforcements are coming. 0.98
00:10:50.000 Gen Z is ascendant, bottom up. 0.99
00:10:52.000 Yeah, your leaders at the, you know, people from DC, they are awful. 0.99
00:10:56.000 I get it.
00:10:56.000 Do something about it.
00:10:58.000 That's what Turning Point USA is all about.
00:11:00.000 Next generation, young, energy, grassroots.
00:11:02.000 That's the type of muscle that is going to make a difference for generations.
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00:12:17.000 It's so funny.
00:12:18.000 The New York Times tried to check.
00:12:20.000 We're going to talk about the New York Times this segment, a couple things.
00:12:22.000 But I read the New York Times, so you don't have to.
00:12:24.000 Is this?
00:12:24.000 Yeah, this is from today.
00:12:26.000 They didn't catch the headline change in time for the print edition.
00:12:30.000 To improve democracy, get rid of elections.
00:12:32.000 We got it.
00:12:34.000 Ryan, don't lose this because they're going to try to memory hole this.
00:12:39.000 I have the actual physical copy in front of me.
00:12:42.000 To improve democracy, get rid of elections.
00:12:44.000 Did you just see the kind of Yale educated, Xanax addicted, Chardonnay sipping wine mom in Greenwich, Connecticut, who's sitting on her porch? 0.96
00:12:55.000 Oh, what a great idea.
00:12:57.000 I love that.
00:12:58.000 So smart. 0.99
00:13:01.000 Ridiculous. 0.99
00:13:02.000 To improve democracy, get rid of elections. 0.98
00:13:06.000 There was no outrage, no backlash whatsoever that I saw.
00:13:14.000 First, let me get through this New York Times article that was published this morning by Tressie McMillan Cottam.
00:13:28.000 She says sorority rush is a tradition at many colleges, but in the South, rush inspires the same passionate zeal as collegiate football.
00:13:41.000 Thanks to TikTok, the University of Alabama's incarnation of that tradition, peak neo antebellum white Southern culture on display is now a global phenomenon since it entered the zeitgeist in 2021.
00:13:59.000 Millions of people have followed Bama Rush as if they're royal watching through mason jar tinted glasses.
00:14:08.000 They say global neo antebellum culture.
00:14:13.000 The entire world is acting like it was acting before the Civil War.
00:14:19.000 Is it really that controversial to say that all lives matter?
00:14:22.000 That's considered to be hate speech on some campuses.
00:14:27.000 So you have young ladies.
00:14:30.000 That takes Rush very, very seriously.
00:14:33.000 By the way, the South, they take it very seriously.
00:14:38.000 Sorority more than fraternities.
00:14:39.000 In fact, there were some articles where they say they hire coaches to get into a sorority. 0.52
00:14:44.000 That's a little much.
00:14:47.000 But this now necessitates an article in the New York Times. 1.00
00:14:53.000 So a sorority girl posting videos of being pretty and happy is now what they consider to be whiteness. 1.00
00:15:03.000 Whiteness.
00:15:06.000 And it goes on to say that, again, let me reread this line.
00:15:09.000 It's so shocking.
00:15:10.000 Peak neo antebellum white Southern culture on display.
00:15:15.000 So she's basically saying that if you rush and do a TikTok video about it at the University of Alabama, you are a moral equivalent of slave owners back in the 1840s.
00:15:30.000 Is she trying to imply that it's a hate crime for white college girls to make TikTok videos? 0.89
00:15:35.000 Where they are smiling and they're not ugly and miserable and deferential to quote unquote their racial betters? 0.95
00:15:44.000 How did this pass the New York Times approval board for opinion?
00:15:50.000 Who at the New York Times saw this and said, you know, this is really deep, Tressie McMillan Cottom?
00:15:58.000 I think we know the answer to that.
00:16:00.000 You pair that with the New York Times article, To Improve Democracy, Get Rid of Elections, and many others.
00:16:07.000 You really wonder what the New York Times opinion page has become?
00:16:11.000 That is a question we are going to explain or explore in our next segment.
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00:16:34.000 Tonight is the Republican debate.
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00:17:55.000 Joining us now is Professor Alan Dershowitz.
00:17:57.000 Professor, thank you for taking time.
00:17:59.000 I want to encourage people to get your book, Get Trump, The Threat to Civil Liberties, Due Process, and Our Constitutional Rule of Law.
00:18:05.000 And honestly, since Donald Trump has come on the scene, people that otherwise were rational have lost their mind.
00:18:10.000 Professor, help me understand how Lawrence Tribe, in good faith, could write an article in The Atlantic saying that Donald Trump should not be allowed on the ballot based on just not a conviction, but just being accused.
00:18:24.000 Professor, help me understand.
00:18:26.000 Not even being accused.
00:18:28.000 There's no formal accusation process.
00:18:30.000 Tribe and Judge Lutek are in favor of really ending democracy, saying that a secretary of state or a governor from a Democratic state can simply say, I think that Donald Trump committed insurrection, rebellion, et cetera, and therefore I'm taking him off the ballot.
00:18:51.000 And they call it self enforcing. 0.91
00:18:53.000 Can you imagine how dumb they think the framers of the 14th Amendment were? 0.92
00:18:58.000 That they would allow democracy to end right after fighting the Civil War without even providing a process. 0.96
00:19:06.000 There's no process.
00:19:07.000 You want to impeach somebody, you got to get two thirds of the vote in the Senate. 0.96
00:19:10.000 If you want to get a president disabled, 25th Amendment, you got to go through hoops and changes and procedures.
00:19:16.000 But no, Tribe and Ludic say that if you want to prevent the leading candidate who's trying to unseat the incumbent president, all you need is secretaries of state from the opposing party.
00:19:29.000 To snap their finger and say, whoops, revolt, insurrection, insubordination.
00:19:35.000 It's going to be used against Biden as well.
00:19:38.000 Of course.
00:19:38.000 Are going to come in and say, you know, Biden engaged in treason.
00:19:43.000 He kept the borders open.
00:19:44.000 He gave comfort to the enemy.
00:19:47.000 That's all you need under the 14th Amendment, giving comfort to the enemy.
00:19:51.000 Obviously, the 14th Amendment, which includes references to slavery and slave people, it includes references to financial aspects of the Civil War, was designed to be applicable to people who fought in the Civil War.
00:20:05.000 You don't need a process for that.
00:20:07.000 They were parading around in Confederate uniforms and proudly establishing clubs.
00:20:12.000 Veterans of the Confederacy, daughters of the Confederacy, mothers of the Confederacy.
00:20:16.000 You didn't need a process if you applied the 14th Amendment to people who fought in the process in the Confederacy.
00:20:22.000 But now they want to flash forward 150, 60, 70 years and say, whoops, this was an alternative to impeachment.
00:20:30.000 And remember, too, people forget that the 14th Amendment doesn't talk about candidates, it doesn't mention running for office.
00:20:37.000 It says, shall not be a president or a senator.
00:20:41.000 In other words, you can use that while the president is sitting.
00:20:45.000 As an alternative to impeachment, it is such a bizarre interpretation.
00:20:49.000 If Ludek Latribe were in any of my classes, I would suggest to them that they drop out of law school.
00:20:56.000 They're not really have the mind or the emotion to be lawyers, and they should go to either divinity school or public relations school, or maybe become political scientists and advocate rewriting the Constitution.
00:21:10.000 But these are not constitutional scholars.
00:21:13.000 These are constitutional advocates who first come to their conclusions and then they distort the Constitution.
00:21:19.000 To come out their way.
00:21:21.000 Tribe's been doing this for the 50 years or more that I've known him.
00:21:25.000 I argued in front of Ludek on the bench.
00:21:27.000 He was not a particularly good judge, I think, but he became famous because he was a conservative judge, Federalist Society.
00:21:35.000 And now, of course, the Get Trump group includes many Republicans, many people from the Federalist Society.
00:21:42.000 Their goal is the same Get Trump.
00:21:45.000 And they don't care about distorting the Constitution, ending democracy.
00:21:50.000 It's just a very great danger, much more dangerous, by the way.
00:21:54.000 Than these criminal cases that are going on today in Georgia.
00:21:57.000 Those are dangerous enough.
00:21:58.000 But this idea of denying me the right to vote against Trump for the third time and denying you the right to vote for Trump for the third time, that endangers democracy.
00:22:09.000 That turns us into a banana republic.
00:22:11.000 Without even a conviction, I mean, the conviction I think is a super reach.
00:22:14.000 But as you say, it's just a hunch, a vibe, a feel.
00:22:18.000 And I mean, this is not just some sort of random tweet, Professor, that we're having you on.
00:22:23.000 This is Lawrence Tribe, an American legal scholar and university professor.
00:22:29.000 From Harvard University.
00:22:31.000 I mean, obviously, a colleague, someone you know very well. 0.99
00:22:34.000 You're going to have to help me and the audience understand the psychology of somebody who's not, he's not a stupid person. 0.96
00:22:41.000 Obviously, he's wicked, smart, but how could he get to this and publish it in the Atlantic? 0.97
00:22:47.000 Because he doesn't care about anything but get Trump.
00:22:50.000 Remember that the day Trump was elected, before he was even sworn in, Tribe began to impeach him, said, We have to impeach him.
00:23:00.000 Tribe does not believe in democracy.
00:23:02.000 He believes in results.
00:23:04.000 He believes he wants it his way.
00:23:07.000 And if democracy doesn't work, forget about it.
00:23:10.000 If the Constitution doesn't work, ignore it.
00:23:13.000 He is not a constitutional scholar.
00:23:15.000 He's a constitutional gigolo.
00:23:18.000 He's a man who will do anything in order to help the Democrats remain in power, to help Biden remain in power.
00:23:26.000 He used to do it because he wanted to be on the Supreme Court.
00:23:28.000 He's too old for that now.
00:23:30.000 But he's become even more zealous and even more unthinking and even more.
00:23:35.000 Unbalanced in his approaches to this.
00:23:37.000 The idea that you can remove a man who is the leading candidate from the ballot in some states if the Secretary of State wants to, but not in other states.
00:23:47.000 Imagine what this will do to this election.
00:23:50.000 It will make it an impossible election and it would turn 2020 into what would look like a perfect election.
00:23:59.000 I really worry for the 2024 election because if we're not allowed to vote, what are the alternatives to democracy?
00:24:07.000 Does it mean You know, people going out on the streets.
00:24:10.000 I think we want to turn people to the voting booth and have them decide.
00:24:15.000 That's what the Constitution is all about the right to make decisions under the law, not to distort the law.
00:24:23.000 And you detail this in your book, Get Trump.
00:24:25.000 I encourage the audience to look at it.
00:24:26.000 Professor, I said yesterday that this is an attempt by other means to cancel elections as we know it.
00:24:32.000 Is that an overstatement?
00:24:33.000 Is that hyperbole?
00:24:35.000 It would have been a few weeks ago today when you have the New York Times essentially editorializing against elections and saying, you know, it would be better.
00:24:43.000 To have people picked by random rather than have elections.
00:24:48.000 I mean, these are the people today writing for the New York Times.
00:24:51.000 You know, I have a new book coming out in a few months called The New McCarthyism.
00:24:55.000 And the subtitle is The New McCarthyism of the Left is Even More Dangerous Than the Old McCarthyism.
00:25:00.000 Why?
00:25:01.000 Because the new McCarthyism involves young people who are going to be our future leaders, the future editors of the New York Times, the future owners of CNN, the future people in Congress. 0.61
00:25:10.000 McCarthyism was old people who were, their careers were at an end. 0.77
00:25:14.000 But I'm so worried that this new McCarthyism, which does not believe in democracy, is going to become the new Americanism.
00:25:21.000 And we have to battle it.
00:25:23.000 We have to fight it.
00:25:24.000 We have to be opposed to it, all by lawful and appropriate means.
00:25:27.000 The marketplace of ideas has to stay open.
00:25:29.000 You know, the same people that don't want democracy don't want free speech.
00:25:33.000 That's exactly right.
00:25:33.000 They don't want due process.
00:25:35.000 They are fascists of the left.
00:25:37.000 And we have to make sure to use that term and to make them understand that they are Stalinists and they are not Democrats.
00:25:46.000 They are not liberals.
00:25:47.000 They like to call themselves liberals.
00:25:49.000 I hate when people on the hard left call themselves liberals.
00:25:52.000 I'm a liberal.
00:25:53.000 I've been a liberal for 70 years.
00:25:55.000 I'm about to hit my 85th birthday.
00:25:57.000 So, by the time I was 15, I was a liberal.
00:25:59.000 A liberal is tolerant, a liberal accepts different points of view, a liberal wants voting.
00:26:05.000 I have more in common with true conservatives than I do with these crazies on the hard left, these woke nutcases.
00:26:13.000 For both of us, free speech is a value.
00:26:15.000 We think it enriches and deepens society.
00:26:18.000 And so I want to, I mean, you mentioned this, Professor.
00:26:21.000 I have it here and I'm not going to let go of it because they changed the headline, but they didn't change it in time.
00:26:26.000 They did.
00:26:27.000 Yeah.
00:26:27.000 Before it went to print.
00:26:28.000 So I have the original.
00:26:29.000 I'm going to save this because they're going to improve the.
00:26:31.000 Please send it to me.
00:26:32.000 Please send it to me.
00:26:34.000 I want to circulate it to everybody.
00:26:35.000 I want to write articles about it.
00:26:38.000 Send me the original headline because I went, after I heard what you said, I went to the New York Times website.
00:26:43.000 Sure enough, they had censored themselves because they knew that they would be open to this kind of.
00:26:49.000 Criticism.
00:26:49.000 No, that's right.
00:26:50.000 So I have the original to improve democracy, get rid of elections.
00:26:53.000 Professor, that's the same day the tribe thing comes out. 0.79
00:26:56.000 And then you have the New York Times also publish the same thing that tribe did, almost as if like they coordinated this, saying Donald Trump should not be allowed on the ballot.
00:27:05.000 David French also put it forward.
00:27:06.000 And it's, I'm getting the sense here that elections seem to just kind of be an annoyance to this very, very far left, not liberals, very far left.
00:27:16.000 For the party of democracy, that's very, yes.
00:27:20.000 And they're elitists. 0.86
00:27:20.000 They want, Secretaries of State, they want opera chinics, functionaries, to decide who our next president should be. 0.86
00:27:28.000 That is so elitist, so anti democratic.
00:27:31.000 They're afraid of democracy.
00:27:32.000 They're afraid they're going to lose on the merits.
00:27:35.000 They're afraid of due process.
00:27:36.000 They're afraid of free speech.
00:27:38.000 And we want to take shortcuts.
00:27:39.000 They want to say, We know better.
00:27:41.000 We know better.
00:27:41.000 Tribe and Lutic should tell us who will be the next president, not the voters.
00:27:45.000 So please send me a copy of that headline.
00:27:48.000 I want to make sure that all Americans and all readers of the New York Times are aware of what the New York Times is selling, what poison to democracy they're selling.
00:27:56.000 So I have to ask, you know, Professor, you have kind of been excommunicated from high liberal society circles.
00:28:04.000 But you still know atmospherically how they feel.
00:28:07.000 Do you really think that this is going to be popular in the Martha's Vineyard crowd getting rid of elections?
00:28:12.000 Is that really.
00:28:13.000 Absolutely.
00:28:14.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:28:16.000 Absolutely.
00:28:17.000 The Martha's Vineyard crowd wants to get together and have Larry David and his wife, former wife, Lori David, decide who the president should be, then pour a lot, a lot of money into it, and then have that president selected from a Martha's Vineyard caucus.
00:28:32.000 They don't want folks like you voting.
00:28:34.000 They're so elitist, they don't want to even on their island.
00:28:39.000 And so, yes, it would be very popular with the Martha's Vineyard Chillmark crowd, not with the real people on Martha's Vineyard, but with the Chillmark crowd, the Hollywood crowd, the people that think they know better than anyone else.
00:28:51.000 And Americans just should not accept that.
00:28:53.000 Yeah, the Martha's Vineyard Politburo wants to get rid of the elections.
00:28:58.000 So, Professor.
00:28:59.000 Yeah, please.
00:29:00.000 No, no.
00:29:04.000 They used to call them Mnemcheviks because the people live in Mnemcheviks.
00:29:08.000 And now they call it the People's Republic of Chilmark.
00:29:12.000 So even they joke about that they are, in fact, Stalinists and Maoists and have nothing but contempt for the people.
00:29:21.000 They love humanity, they just hate the people.
00:29:25.000 If the Democrat Party was full of liberals like Professor Dershowitz, our country would be in a much better place.
00:29:33.000 Generally, how do you think these next couple of months will play out with Donald Trump?
00:29:38.000 Well, you know, it's so hard today to make accurate predictions because it's so complicated.
00:29:43.000 I think Donald Trump will get the nomination.
00:29:45.000 He will run.
00:29:45.000 There will be some efforts to get him off the ballot.
00:29:47.000 It will complicate things.
00:29:49.000 But in the end, the courts will say, no, the Secretary of State can't take him off the ballot under the 14th Amendment.
00:29:56.000 I think he'll be convicted in a number of places, particularly New York and D.C., where the jury pool is so heavily against Trump.
00:30:04.000 But these convictions will likely be reversed on appeal.
00:30:07.000 But the goal of the Get Trump people is convict him before the election and don't worry that the convictions are reversed after the election.
00:30:14.000 I guess it will be too late.
00:30:15.000 Do you think there's a chance that the United States Supreme Court can overturn the Fulton County case?
00:30:23.000 I do, and I think there are two ways of doing it.
00:30:27.000 Rudy Giuliani probably can't take advantage of this law, but the former head of the White House, Mark Meadows, can.
00:30:37.000 He was a federal employee.
00:30:39.000 So he can try to move the case to the federal court, and then there would be a quick route up to the Supreme Court.
00:30:45.000 The question is, Can they find issues that will get to the Supreme Court before the election, or will these issues only get to the Supreme Court after the election?
00:30:55.000 The Get Trump posse wants to get these convictions before the election.
00:30:59.000 So, Professor, if you look at trying to build a proper defense for President Trump and the people in his orbit, you have said that the New York case is one of the sloppiest written in your whole career.
00:31:14.000 Now that you've had a chance to mull over and look at the Fulton County case, which is very wide ranging and reaching.
00:31:20.000 Do you feel that the Fulton County case in a normal world, a non political world, is equally as weak of a case?
00:31:27.000 Not equally, but very weak.
00:31:29.000 Very, very weak.
00:31:30.000 Co defendants, RICO, and they're trying to bring it to trial within six months.
00:31:35.000 Never in the history of the world has a trial this complex been brought to trial.
00:31:42.000 Oh, sure, in the Soviet Union, they bring it to trial on one day and they put the guy the bullet in the head the next day, or in China.
00:31:49.000 But in the United States, the right to a speedy trial doesn't belong to the government, it belongs only to the defendant. 0.66
00:31:54.000 The government has an obligation to provide enough time for the defense to actually prepare for its case.
00:32:01.000 So then, the President Trump can push back and say, No, I don't want the trial in January.
00:32:07.000 I don't want the trial in February.
00:32:08.000 I mean, how does that work then?
00:32:10.000 I mean, the judge has to be the final decision maker, but.
00:32:13.000 No, not the final decision.
00:32:14.000 Not the final decision.
00:32:15.000 If the judge were to say, I want this trial early, that could be mandamus.
00:32:20.000 It can be appealed.
00:32:21.000 Wow.
00:32:22.000 Certainly, the DC case will be appealed.
00:32:24.000 Remember, these law professors, Republican law professors, Federalist Society people, filed an amicus brief with the DC court saying they want the case to be tried January 2nd.
00:32:34.000 That's four months and three weeks after a complicated multi count indictment, unthinkable, unearthed.
00:32:42.000 Let me tell you what I would do if I were a lawyer and I were representing one of these defendants.
00:32:45.000 I go before the court and say, Your Honor, asking me to try a case in four months and three weeks is like asking a brain surgeon to perform life threatening surgery in two hours after being told to do so without doing the preparation.
00:33:00.000 I will not sully the law by defending this man because I can't defend him.
00:33:06.000 In four months and three weeks, I need at least eight, nine months to prepare.
00:33:10.000 I have to interview every witness.
00:33:12.000 I have to make sure we have the right veneer.
00:33:15.000 I have to make sure that we do the proper polling for jurors.
00:33:19.000 I have to file every conceivable Brady and other motion.
00:33:22.000 That's my job.
00:33:23.000 It's like a doctor doing x rays and CAT scans and MRIs.
00:33:28.000 Don't tell me how to do my job and don't tell me that I have to try this case in four months and three weeks.
00:33:34.000 That's unconstitutional, unprofessional and unethical.
00:33:39.000 And the chances of that being heard and then acted upon.
00:33:43.000 I mean, based on current federal.
00:33:46.000 I think they're very high.
00:33:47.000 I think they're very high.
00:33:49.000 If the judge were to order this case to trial within four months and three weeks, or the case in Georgia within six months, I think an appellate court would say, absolutely not.
00:34:00.000 You've got to give them more time.
00:34:02.000 There's no law that permits that kind of rush to injustice.
00:34:06.000 And that's what this would be a rush to injustice.
00:34:10.000 I think that's exactly right.
00:34:12.000 I mean, the brain surgery analogy is perfect.
00:34:15.000 You don't even know the proper dimensions of every count.
00:34:19.000 These are incredibly sophisticated charges.
00:34:23.000 So I think that's exactly right.
00:34:24.000 Professor, we're out of time.
00:34:25.000 Check out the book, Get Trump.
00:34:26.000 And Professor, you have to promise to come back on for a full hour with your new book, The New McCarthyism.
00:34:31.000 I think that's so interesting.
00:34:33.000 And I share your concern that there's a new generation of revolutionaries that are going to be running our institutions.
00:34:38.000 And it really concerns me.
00:34:39.000 Thank you so much, Professor.
00:34:41.000 Me too.
00:34:42.000 Thank you.
00:34:45.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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