The Charlie Kirk Show - The "He Gets Us" Heresy with Allie Stuckey and Kurt Schlichter

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 He gets us.

00:00:03.000 Over $1 billion is being spent on a Christian advertising campaign.

00:00:09.000 They're about to have a Super Bowl ad.

00:00:11.000 But what are they really advocating for?

00:00:13.000 Well, they claim that Jesus was a refugee.

00:00:15.000 They are making an equivalency that Jesus Christ is the same as someone illegally walking into your country.

00:00:22.000 Is that true?

00:00:23.000 Allie Stuckey joins us to discuss.

00:00:25.000 And then Kurt Schlichter talked about the latest Project Veritas news.

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00:01:33.000 This Sunday is the Super Bowl.

00:01:35.000 Can't wait.

00:01:36.000 I love football.

00:01:37.000 I love watching the Super Bowl.

00:01:38.000 I have not missed a Super Bowl since, boy, the first Super Bowl I remember, which was Kurt Warner, the greatest show on turf versus Tom Brady's first Super Bowl, the 2001, 2002 Super Bowl.

00:01:49.000 And a single Super Bowl advertisement will run you anywhere between six to seven million dollars.

00:01:57.000 Well, an organization that is running ads called He Gets Us is going to spend $20 million for a Super Bowl advertisement this Sunday.

00:02:09.000 $20 million.

00:02:10.000 Now, you've probably seen some of these ads.

00:02:12.000 It's the He Gets Us advertisements.

00:02:16.000 Now, look, I am all for getting people closer to Jesus.

00:02:20.000 I love it.

00:02:21.000 But is that what this is really doing?

00:02:23.000 Well, let me play one of these advertisements for you.

00:02:26.000 Then we're going to welcome Allie B. Stuckey from the wonderful Al B. Stuckey podcast.

00:02:30.000 I'm going to ask the question: is this evangelism?

00:02:33.000 Is this trying to spread the gospel?

00:02:35.000 Or is this open border woke ideology that is appropriating Christianity to try to argue for the dissolution of the American country?

00:02:47.000 Play cut 126.

00:02:48.000 They've already poured tens of millions of dollars into this ad, Play Cut 126.

00:02:54.000 There was a mother and a father who had a son.

00:02:58.000 They lived in a small village and didn't have much money.

00:03:03.000 But they were happy.

00:03:05.000 One day, they heard the head of their country was sending soldiers to their town because he thought they were part of an insurrection.

00:03:14.000 The young family decided to flee.

00:03:17.000 They grabbed only what they could carry and ran.

00:03:22.000 They hiked for days, wondering if soldiers might still be following them.

00:03:28.000 They were scared, hungry, and exhausted.

00:03:35.000 But they were far away from the atrocities taking place in Bethlehem.

00:03:42.000 That's what Mary and Joseph wanted.

00:03:45.000 A safe place to call home.

00:03:48.000 Okay, so for those of you on radio and podcasting, it said on the screen, Jesus was a refugee.

00:03:52.000 No, he was not.

00:03:53.000 That is a lie.

00:03:54.000 It is a heretical lie.

00:03:57.000 Jesus and his family when he was a child fled from a part of the Roman Empire to another part of the Roman Empire in Egypt to a safe Jewish community.

00:04:05.000 He was not a refugee. 0.52

00:04:07.000 That is a lie.

00:04:08.000 It's nowhere in the Bible.

00:04:09.000 It is made up.

00:04:10.000 It is editorialized.

00:04:12.000 Secondly, there was a Spanish version of that advertisement that was not called the refugee ad.

00:04:18.000 It was called the immigration ad.

00:04:21.000 What you just saw was emotional manipulation.

00:04:24.000 They're trying to make it seem as if we should allow more foreigners and border jumpers and criminals into our country because Jesus was also a border jumper and a criminal.

00:04:33.000 What's going on here?

00:04:34.000 Allie Stuckey is with us, host of Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey from the Blaze Podcast Network.

00:04:39.000 Allie, I've thought about this.

00:04:40.000 I've prayed about this.

00:04:41.000 I was have not spoken out about this intentionally for weeks, and you actually helped inspire me to do so.

00:04:48.000 How should we think about this advertising campaign?

00:04:51.000 Look, I feel the same way as you.

00:04:52.000 And as a bunch of Christians, when you see something like the display at the Grammys and you just see the open Satan worship there, it can be really refreshing to see something in the mainstream that seems to be reflecting Jesus, the opposite values of what we saw at the Grammys.

00:05:08.000 However, I am equally uncomfortable with this, equally as you are, because it is the projection of modern political and cultural narratives onto the narrative and the gospel story of Jesus.

00:05:22.000 And so what it does, rather than attracting people to Jesus, it actually distracts people from the gospel.

00:05:28.000 Because you already mentioned Jesus wasn't a refugee, but even beyond that, that is peripheral to the story of Jesus.

00:05:35.000 So rather than spending all of this money, maybe sharing the gospel of salvation of who Jesus really is, instead, they are watering down who Jesus is.

00:05:45.000 They are giving you a false Jesus. 0.93

00:05:47.000 So while I want to be excited about any campaign that is promoting Jesus to the masses, yes and amen, I cannot celebrate promoting a Jesus that isn't even real and is not going to draw people into the truth of what the gospel is.

00:06:04.000 I totally agree.

00:06:06.000 And you go to their website, it is, first of all, I know this sounds a little silly, but their color scheme is the BLM color scheme, right?

00:06:13.000 It's black and yellow.

00:06:14.000 For me, that's a turnoff.

00:06:16.000 I know you shouldn't judge anything by that, but it's awfully similar to the BLM logo and to the color scheme.

00:06:22.000 But let's pretend that's not a relevant critique, but that's how I first view it.

00:06:28.000 All throughout the website, Allie, it is very left-wing social justice messaging that is laced within this, right?

00:06:36.000 Which is how did Jesus deal with injustice, institutional injustice?

00:06:41.000 It's talking about how Jesus was fed up with politics too.

00:06:44.000 And it says that they have an agenda.

00:06:46.000 This is what they say their agenda is at hegetsus.com.

00:06:48.000 They're about to spend $20 million on a superbland.

00:06:50.000 This is really important.

00:06:51.000 They say this.

00:06:52.000 How did the story of a man who taught and practiced unconditional love become associated with hatred and oppression of so many people?

00:06:58.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:06:59.000 Whoa.

00:06:59.000 You mean people lie about the king of the world?

00:07:01.000 You know what I don't see on here, Allie?

00:07:03.000 I don't see them saying that he's the savior of the world.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:08.000 And this is just a narrative that the world repeats a lot that it's, you'll hear people who are not Christians say, oh, it's not Jesus that I have a problem with.

00:07:15.000 It's Jesus' followers.

00:07:17.000 And so basically, this apparently Christian campaign is just kind of reaffirming the negative stereotypes or the negative perspectives that a lot of people who are not Christians think about Christians.

00:07:28.000 That's not to say that people haven't done horrible things in the name of Jesus, but it's kind of saying, okay, worldly people actually have better access and a better understanding to who Jesus is than all of these Christians that have been giving Jesus a bad reputation.

00:07:43.000 And so you're also, in a sense, almost maligning the church and the history of what Christianity has been, not just for Western civilization, but also for the world.

00:07:52.000 And again, I think that is counterproductive.

00:07:54.000 At the end of this ad, someone who doesn't know Jesus is going to say, wow, great.

00:07:59.000 Jesus is who I thought that he was.

00:08:01.000 He's just a relatable guy, maybe a good teacher, maybe kind of, I don't know, an activist or a symbol of the oppressed, but certainly not a savior.

00:08:14.000 Yeah, he's kind of like a Marxist counterrevolutionary.

00:08:18.000 Cut 125, another advertisement.

00:08:20.000 They call this one the influencer.

00:08:23.000 There was an influencer who became insanely popular.

00:08:27.000 Everybody started following him.

00:08:29.000 Then one day, he stood up for something he believed in.

00:08:33.000 People got angry.

00:08:34.000 The establishment called him an extremist, said he shouldn't be allowed to share his views.

00:08:39.000 They would stop at nothing to shut him up.

00:08:43.000 So they did what they had to do.

00:08:45.000 They nailed him to a cross.

00:08:48.000 Jesus was an influencer, Ellie.

00:08:51.000 Yeah, he wasn't.

00:08:52.000 Well, I don't even have to tell you, but Jesus also wasn't an activist.

00:08:56.000 This, again, is something that we hear from the left a lot, that he was an activist.

00:08:59.000 He was a socialist, things like that.

00:09:01.000 All of these different names that people give Jesus so they don't have to face the uncomfortable fact that Jesus actually died for our sins, because then you have to face the uncomfortable fact that you are a sinner in need of a savior.

00:09:11.000 And to me, this kind of placates the masses of people who do not want to face that reality.

00:09:17.000 There's so much good news in Jesus, but first we have to be met with the bad news that we actually need a savior.

00:09:22.000 And to me, this campaign spends millions of dollars, so much time, so much production, creativity, and energy to not share the gospel, but to simply affirm a humanistic version of Jesus that is not the real Jesus.

00:09:35.000 This is the largest ad spend in my life on anything around the gospel.

00:09:41.000 And instead of seizing the opportunity of sharing the word of God and allowing it to go to work in people's hearts, instead of having uncompromising truth, we have a PR crafted, poll-tested, wokey firm.

00:10:01.000 And, you know, we just got an email here. 0.99

00:10:03.000 They say, how on earth did these donors, why on earth are these donors giving this money to this garbage? 0.97

00:10:09.000 And we'll talk about this after the break. 0.99

00:10:10.000 I've not heard a single positive thing from anybody about this campaign.

00:10:13.000 Not a single Christian is moved by it, proud of it, or happy that it's happening.

00:10:18.000 So I got to wonder what exactly is the goal here?

00:10:20.000 Over $1 billion is being spent on these advertisements.

00:10:24.000 Let's listen to another.

00:10:25.000 This one's called The Rebel, Play Cut 122.

00:10:29.000 A rebel took to the streets.

00:10:32.000 He recruited others to join him.

00:10:35.000 They roamed the hood and challenged authority.

00:10:39.000 Community leaders feared them.

00:10:41.000 Religious leaders abhorred them.

00:10:44.000 We have to get them off the streets, they said.

00:10:47.000 But they weren't part of a gang spreading hate and terror.

00:10:50.000 They were spreading love.

00:10:57.000 Oh, my.

00:10:59.000 If you didn't know any better, you'd think that'd be a BLM advertisement.

00:11:02.000 So, Allie, their counter-argument is: look, we're bringing all these people to Jesus.

00:11:07.000 This is a great thing.

00:11:08.000 In fact, let me read their statement, Allie.

00:11:09.000 I'd love your reaction to this.

00:11:12.000 The official press release, they say this.

00:11:15.000 They say, we have, we've done this.

00:11:18.000 Quote, we've gone to great lengths to make sure this is not politicized.

00:11:22.000 There's no agenda here other than we just want people to see what Jesus modeled.

00:11:26.000 We believe and would be a better society if we all learn from that.

00:11:29.000 I wonder if they have any advertisements saying that Jesus wouldn't support homosexuality or that he was pro-life.

00:11:34.000 But no, that would be too controversial.

00:11:37.000 But the fact that Jesus was for open borders, yeah, it's fair game. 1.00

00:11:39.000 Your thoughts, Allie.

00:11:40.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:11:41.000 He doesn't say anything about Jesus caring about the most vulnerable babies inside the womb.

00:11:47.000 It's always the people who say we're not trying to be political who tend to actually lean to the left.

00:11:53.000 That's just an interesting thing to note.

00:11:56.000 But one thing that I will say to their counterargument is that they're bringing people to Jesus because they do have this, they have technology on their website that basically, if people go to their website, they're interested in this campaign, they will link them to a local church.

00:12:12.000 But as far as I see, there are no doctrinal standards whatsoever for the churches that are included in this like connection technology.

00:12:21.000 And so I have no idea what kind of churches a non-believer may be connected to.

00:12:25.000 It could be a church that does believe that there is really no sin and that Jesus was just an activist and that Jesus is not the way, the truth, and the life.

00:12:35.000 And so I'm not really taken by that argument that they are leading people to Christ.

00:12:40.000 Honestly, I just don't see a whole lot of evidence for that yet.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, in fact, I see evidence that they're going to what they call seeker-sensitive churches. 0.75

00:12:51.000 I'm being told that's who they are.

00:12:53.000 They are being connected with.

00:12:55.000 So, yeah, Andy Stanley will see a nice increase in his attendance telling people the Old Testament doesn't matter.

00:13:00.000 I'm sure he'll see a big increase there.

00:13:02.000 So, Allie, let's just kind of close the argument out and make sure that our opinion is clear.

00:13:07.000 We obviously support the effort and the intention to try to bring people closer to Jesus.

00:13:13.000 This effort has now obviously been derailed and is tangential, basically a pseudo-BLM open border campaign. 0.95

00:13:20.000 They insist that's not the case, but it certainly seems that way.

00:13:24.000 They're going to run an ad on Sunday, at least from what I've been told from within.

00:13:28.000 They say the ad will be about children and loving your enemies.

00:13:31.000 We'll see.

00:13:32.000 So, there's always an opportunity, maybe that we'll be surprised, and the advertisement is terrific and wonderful.

00:13:37.000 But the website is obviously laced with woke ideology.

00:13:41.000 Allie, these ads aren't going away anytime soon.

00:13:43.000 So, how should Christians talk about this and think about this? 0.82

00:13:47.000 Look, Jesus did love his enemies.

00:13:49.000 Jesus maybe was some of the things that even these campaigns are saying, but again, these are peripheral to who Jesus actually was.

00:13:56.000 Jesus is God, that's what makes him different. 0.91

00:13:59.000 Yes, he was fully God and fully man.

00:14:01.000 And one wonderful thing about him is that he can empathize with our weaknesses.

00:14:05.000 Scripture says that he was tempted in every way, but he was without sin.

00:14:11.000 So, my concern with this is that we never actually see the distinction of who Jesus is.

00:14:16.000 Jesus is important not because he gets you, not because he's relatable, not because he did some of the same things that you did or had some of the same feelings you did, but because he is God and he died for your sin so that you could be reconciled to God because you are a sinner bound for hell without his cleansing and without his reconciliation.

00:14:34.000 Like, if we are going to have all of these rich Christians, all of these billion-dollar organizations pour millions and millions of dollars into sharing a message about Jesus to the masses at the Super Bowl, let's get it right.

00:14:46.000 This campaign does not get it right, and my fear is that it will do more harm than good.

00:14:52.000 They say we look at the biography of Jesus through a modern lens to find new relevance and often overlooked moments and things from his life.

00:15:02.000 That is a really bad idea.

00:15:05.000 Yeah, Allie, thank you so much.

00:15:07.000 God bless you, and we'll see what ends up being aired on Sunday.

00:15:10.000 Thank you.

00:15:11.000 Thank you.

00:15:12.000 Open to different ideas.

00:15:14.000 Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:15:16.000 And in fact, I know one of the funders behind it, they're really sweet people.

00:15:20.000 They're wonderful.

00:15:21.000 They're super generous.

00:15:22.000 The Green family from Hobby Lobby.

00:15:24.000 And I just think they're being taken by a PR firm and a marketing firm that has swindled them, quite honestly, and has lied to them and has deceived them.

00:15:32.000 And it's really too bad because Hobby Lobby and the Green family, they've been phenomenal.

00:15:35.000 They've been generous.

00:15:36.000 They've been fighters in the courts.

00:15:38.000 And it's a lot of money.

00:15:40.000 It's $20 million for a 60-second ad on Sunday.

00:15:43.000 Hundreds of millions of dollars are deployed to be scheduled.

00:15:46.000 They want to get to a billion dollars.

00:15:48.000 So they're currently 300 million to get to a billion, the largest advertising campaign in modern Christian history.

00:15:53.000 And it's too bad that it advocates the opening of our borders.

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00:18:11.000 Joining us now is Kurt Schlichter.

00:18:13.000 Kurt, welcome back to the program.

00:18:15.000 Happy Friday, Shabbat Shalom.

00:18:18.000 I'm currently getting some messages about the ongoing Project Veritas board meetings.

00:18:23.000 It's happening right now.

00:18:25.000 There's some breaking news that some big donors from Project Veritas are threatening the board with legal action.

00:18:32.000 One of the contentions against James O'Keefe is that they're really upset that James O'Keefe brought staff to go in a performance of Oklahoma.

00:18:40.000 If you ask me, James O'Keefe could have brought his whole staff to go alongside of him in Fan of the Opera.

00:18:46.000 I couldn't really care less.

00:18:48.000 That's not something to air publicly.

00:18:50.000 Kurt, how should we think about this?

00:18:52.000 And what is your take?

00:18:54.000 Well, first of all, I am a lawyer, but I'm not James O'Keefe's lawyer.

00:18:57.000 I'm not the board's lawyer.

00:18:59.000 This is one conservative fight that I'm not involved in.

00:19:02.000 Thank goodness.

00:19:04.000 Because James O'Keefe and Project Veritas have done a lot of great work.

00:19:07.000 I remember when I was working with Andrew Breitbart, gosh, over a decade ago, and James O'Keefe burst onto the scene and just did really and has continued to do some really great work.

00:19:20.000 So, I, you know, when I'm litigating things involving conservative entities, which I do, I like to try and take it offline where I can.

00:19:29.000 I'll fight in court where I have to.

00:19:31.000 That's okay.

00:19:32.000 I represent my clients who are usually conservatives.

00:19:35.000 And so, I just want to get that out there.

00:19:39.000 What we're looking at is: I'm hearing a lot of gossip.

00:19:44.000 I'm hearing a lot of rumors and allegations.

00:19:46.000 I haven't seen anything clearly.

00:19:47.000 I don't know what to believe.

00:19:49.000 I don't know who to believe.

00:19:52.000 But you have to understand, look at it this way.

00:19:56.000 Project Veritas is not James O'Keefe.

00:20:00.000 It is a separate entity.

00:20:04.000 It has a board of directors.

00:20:06.000 James O'Keefe is the founder, but apparently he is not the sole owner.

00:20:11.000 There's a board of directors.

00:20:12.000 Board of directors have a fiduciary duty.

00:20:15.000 That means they are legally bound to put the interests of the company ahead of everything else.

00:20:20.000 That is making sure it's obeying the law, making sure it's staying financially solvent.

00:20:25.000 And, you know, there's some structural issues too.

00:20:28.000 Is this a 501c3, 501c4?

00:20:30.000 There are various kinds of nonprofits, charities, et cetera.

00:20:36.000 And that gets very complicated.

00:20:37.000 So the board has some legal obligations to make sure things are going according to regular accounting principles, sound business practice, avoiding fraud.

00:20:49.000 And I'm not saying James O'Keefe has done any of those things.

00:20:52.000 I'm just telling you what the board's obligation in general is.

00:20:59.000 I'm not sure what to make of this.

00:21:02.000 I would have, like you, I'm a big believer in you get in a room, you close the door, and you work things out when you can.

00:21:10.000 I'm not afraid to fight, but fighting causes collateral damage.

00:21:16.000 Sometimes you've got to.

00:21:17.000 Many times you don't have to.

00:21:19.000 So I'm kind of curious to see what's actually going on here.

00:21:24.000 Yeah.

00:21:25.000 And can you just comment on a second, though, Kurt, for a second?

00:21:28.000 Let's take a step back and appreciate how we can't lose James O'Keefe.

00:21:32.000 However, this thing ends up.

00:21:35.000 And if it ends up being nothing more than kind of a personal love of the opera and taking your staff alongside of you and maybe being mean to staff, and I'm not, maybe there's more and I don't know if I've asked, I'm not getting any answers, right?

00:21:51.000 Or being cruel or calling people names.

00:21:54.000 I think all of that can be remedied.

00:21:56.000 The reason why I'm focused and interested on the story, and you and I were texting about it, I'm not going to share what we texted about it, but like the more broad essence of what I was saying is we can't lose him, right?

00:22:05.000 That I think that absent something that is, you know, so out of bounds.

00:22:10.000 And again, let's just be honest.

00:22:11.000 We're in a very interesting era of politics where we have a high threshold of what we're actually tolerating.

00:22:18.000 We have a guy named George Santos.

00:22:20.000 I don't even know if that's his name.

00:22:21.000 I don't think, I don't know if he's he has, I don't know if he has said anything.

00:22:25.000 You don't even know if he's he.

00:22:27.000 I'm not even sure what his gender is.

00:22:29.000 No, and but what's so weird about the Santos thing as a as a tangent, he lies about things you should, you don't have to lie about, right?

00:22:37.000 That are completely irrelevant.

00:22:38.000 He's like, yeah, you know, I've been to that restaurant.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, it doesn't exist, right?

00:22:44.000 It's like, why do you even have to admit, it's just pathological.

00:22:47.000 But, you know, the threshold of what we're putting up with is probably too high.

00:22:52.000 The point is that if really James O'Keefe is going to get run out because he was a little mean and took a sandwich from somebody and wanted to go see cats, I don't think that's a good bar.

00:22:52.000 I don't know.

00:23:06.000 Can you at least comment, Kurt, on how we need James O'Keefe?

00:23:08.000 That is a fact.

00:23:10.000 Look, I think James O'Keefe has performed incredible services for the movement and for the country.

00:23:15.000 He's exposed people who the regime media wanted to keep hidden.

00:23:22.000 He's done great services.

00:23:24.000 Now, look, there are red lines, and I'm not saying anybody's crossed.

00:23:28.000 No, no, no, I totally agree.

00:23:30.000 No, no, I'm just saying, though, that if the threshold is...

00:23:30.000 I totally agree.

00:23:35.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:23:36.000 Try and imagine Project Veritas without James O'Keefe.

00:23:41.000 It's hard to do.

00:23:44.000 So, you know, if somebody is doing this lightly without really good justification, that is an incredible disservice to conservatism.

00:23:53.000 If they feel they have to because of their fiduciary duty, you know, it's very concerning.

00:24:06.000 And I hope it gets worked out.

00:24:08.000 And I hope there are no red lines crossed.

00:24:10.000 And we know what the red lines are.

00:24:12.000 Yes.

00:24:13.000 fooling around with money and all that sort of thing.

00:24:16.000 I don't know if those are the issues.

00:24:18.000 It's like the old Supreme Court decision where they were asked to define pornography and they said, we know it when we see it, right?

00:24:26.000 I mean, it's, it's, and unfortunately, that's actually no longer the case because anyway, that's a separate issue.

00:24:32.000 I want to, I want to switch, switch, switch topics here, Kurt, for a second.

00:24:32.000 All right.

00:24:37.000 So we had the State of the Union this week.

00:24:39.000 I tweeted out that Biden's superpower is because he slurs his speech and because you can't really understand him, is that it actually makes people more inherently sympathetic for the old elderly man that's randomly meandering than actually hate him.

00:24:55.000 I have some very strong feelings about Biden.

00:24:58.000 So does our audience.

00:24:59.000 But polling shows us that people might not like him, but they're not animated to hatred against him.

00:25:05.000 What are your thoughts on this?

00:25:07.000 Well, look, I'm going to say something that's rather unpopular, and I've gotten some pushback on it.

00:25:13.000 I think the first 25 minutes of his speech was the best thing I've seen Biden ever do.

00:25:18.000 I thought he delivered it well despite his age.

00:25:21.000 Now, after that, after the social security thing where he conceded Republicans, we're going to take your social security, which I hope is in every ad we see in the Toy Toy 4 cycle.

00:25:32.000 He went off on his weird tangents and verbal ticks and stuff.

00:25:35.000 I thought the first 25 minutes where he was doing old school New Deal working man Democrat stuff was incredibly powerful because as you know, Charlie, the Republicans left those guys.

00:25:47.000 The Democrats abandoned them and Trump came along and picked them up.

00:25:51.000 And this was a powerful play to get them back, talking about kitchen table economic stuff.

00:25:56.000 I thought he delivered it well.

00:25:58.000 I was not happy, but I'm a soldier.

00:26:01.000 I assess my opponent ruthlessly and objectively because I want to see his strengths.

00:26:06.000 And he was very strong during that.

00:26:09.000 And I thought he was very likable.

00:26:14.000 Then he kind of had to go through the woke stuff and everything.

00:26:17.000 And I think he lost it.

00:26:18.000 There's a good question about how long he can keep up working man Joe without turning into, oh, yeah, and you need to pay reparations.

00:26:28.000 You know, got to defund the police.

00:26:31.000 But when he was doing it, I thought he was very good.

00:26:33.000 And I thought it was very sympathetic.

00:26:35.000 And I thought that, I mean, look, you're a little young to remember when this was the essence of the Democratic Party.

00:26:42.000 But Joe is really old.

00:26:44.000 And it is part of his being to do that.

00:26:46.000 And I thought it was very powerful.

00:26:49.000 In some ways, he was appropriating MAGA messaging, which I found to be very interesting, is that there was an effort to try to take the populist nationalist, launder it through kind of left-wing social liberalism, but then regurgitate it in a way that could be digestible to certain white voters.

00:27:09.000 Well, yeah, remember, MAGA includes a bunch of people who are not Republicans.

00:27:15.000 You know, the so-called Reagan Democrats.

00:27:18.000 You got a guy who's a hard hat and he wants to get a fair break from the corporations, but he also stormed ashore at Tarola.

00:27:26.000 Okay.

00:27:27.000 These guys love their country.

00:27:29.000 They love their family.

00:27:30.000 They're not woke.

00:27:32.000 They're not perverts.

00:27:33.000 But They look at a guy like look at the Republican Party and see a guy like Mitt Romney who looks like he's about to outsource your job to set on.

00:27:45.000 And who was talking to him?

00:27:47.000 Donald Trump talked to him.

00:27:48.000 So Donald Trump went after the guys the Democrats left behind.

00:27:53.000 Ronald Reagan, to some extent, grabbed them.

00:27:55.000 He grabbed them mostly on cultural issues, not economics.

00:27:59.000 Trump's innovation was to talk about economics, too.

00:28:03.000 And I think it's very important that the Republican Party now cannot be counted on by big corporations to carry their water blindly.

00:28:12.000 I think that's very important.

00:28:15.000 I think that's exactly right.

00:28:16.000 Look, the guy that wears the hard hat in Hubbard, Ohio, he's not moved by marginal corporate tax rates.

00:28:23.000 That is not a point of enthusiasm for that voter.

00:28:28.000 And he might be a registered Democrat.

00:28:29.000 Yeah, he's not going to re-register just because why would I?

00:28:32.000 Because you cheer for the Buckeyes and you're a Democrat if you live in Mahonic County, right?

00:28:37.000 And so you just, it just doesn't change.

00:28:40.000 However, Donald Trump got them very excited.

00:28:42.000 One minute, 30 seconds remaining, Kurt.

00:28:43.000 Your thoughts.

00:28:44.000 Remember, these are the heart and soul of our country.

00:28:47.000 These working folks, they built it.

00:28:49.000 They feed it. 0.58

00:28:50.000 They fuel it.

00:28:51.000 And when called upon, they defend it.

00:28:52.000 I know I led them.

00:28:54.000 And I am proud that they put their trust in a Republican Party.

00:28:59.000 And I urge Republicans to earn their trust again in 2024 because that's the key to victory.

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00:31:01.000 So, Kurt, I have a one-sentence statement.

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00:31:12.000 Your thoughts.

00:31:14.000 Oh, I think there's a lot of truth to that.

00:31:18.000 Right now, election, look, you can either have a mechanical election where you're trying to generate ballots, or you can have an influence election where you're trying to influence people to vote for your side.

00:31:30.000 I think we're past the influence part, Charlie.

00:31:32.000 I think people have picked a side.

00:31:34.000 I think now it's about generating the actual votes, putting actual ballots in the ballot box.

00:31:40.000 And I think we need to do that in a more systematic way than we have done it.

00:31:44.000 And we have to support that effort with a legal initiative designed to fight back and push back against laws and decrees and regulations and decisions that limit the ability to ensure that the election is honest and that there's integrity.

00:32:04.000 So it's kind of a two-pronged attack.

00:32:06.000 But look, that's the machine we need to build.

00:32:10.000 Rona McDaniel won her election. 0.63

00:32:12.000 So I'm going to support her now, but she's got to do that.

00:32:16.000 She's got to do that.

00:32:18.000 You're a better person than I am.

00:32:19.000 So, but, Kurt, let me ask you, this is a provocative question, but do you think in the current imbalance of machinery, somebody like John Fetterman could be elected as president of the United States?

00:32:31.000 I use that example provocatively to show the candidate quality argument actually is less important than the actual plumbing, the infrastructure of elections.

00:32:42.000 Well, someone like Fetterman was elected.

00:32:45.000 I mean, that's Joe Biden's exactly right.

00:32:49.000 No, look, it's not an influence-elect because if we're trying to influence people, if we're trying to convince them, they're not going to vote for a Fetterman.

00:32:57.000 I mean, he was a mess.

00:33:00.000 And the fact that he's sitting in a hospital now only reinforces it.

00:33:05.000 And of course, we all hope he recovers.

00:33:09.000 But, you know, this is about generating ballots, honestly and fairly, but making sure that people exercise their rights.

00:33:20.000 And there are a lot of people out there who think there's something more important than casting their vote.

00:33:26.000 And unfortunately, the political world is not going to forget about them or overlook them.

00:33:32.000 And if you want to influence your country, and this is our country, then you've got to vote.

00:33:38.000 And a political party should be devoted to making sure that it generates the votes of voters who support it.

00:33:45.000 And that's what we need to do.

00:33:47.000 I totally agree.

00:33:48.000 Kurt, thank you so much for joining us.

00:33:50.000 Really appreciate it as always.

00:33:51.000 Thanks for having me.

00:33:53.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:55.000 We're monitoring so many different things at the same time. 1.00

00:33:59.000 There's a new ridiculously fallacious kind of piece against Ana Paulina out. 0.95

00:34:05.000 There's this silly piece. 0.93

00:34:06.000 I'll use the word silly piece, NBC News, about my relationship with Trump.

00:34:11.000 And for those of you guys that follow the program closely, as you know, I'm supporting Donald Trump in 2024.

00:34:16.000 I've made that abundantly clear repeatedly, but NBC News is trying to say that, oh, there's divisions and all these different things.

00:34:22.000 And is, you know, where is Charlie on this position?

00:34:26.000 I'm behind Trump, period.

00:34:27.000 I had an interview with Ron DeSantis.

00:34:29.000 I love Ron DeSantis and a wonderful job.

00:34:31.000 And worked behind Trump in 2024.

00:34:33.000 And it's very clear the media, they're in full deployment mode right now.

00:34:37.000 I'm living through it.

00:34:38.000 New York Times yesterday trying to circle the wagons for censorship.

00:34:41.000 The whole Project Veritas thing, very suspicious, how the New York magazine was able to get that.

00:34:45.000 The NBC piece, Washington Post right now with a big piece on Ana Paulina.

00:34:50.000 This is all kind of happening simultaneously.

00:34:53.000 And also, just to kind of get your spidey senses up for all of you that look at this, if your favorite conservatives are not kind of being attacked in this season right now, then maybe they're not as conservative as you think they are.

00:35:05.000 Because right now, the media is trying to go after the people in the populist nationalist, conservative, people-centered parents' party movement from Veritas to James O'Keefe to Ana Paulina to this program that are actually moving the dial substantially and significantly.

00:35:23.000 And we're living through that right now.

00:35:24.000 And so we're going to keep our eyes on all these different dynamics.

00:35:27.000 Ana Paulina is going to be just fine.

00:35:30.000 She's terrific, and they're trying to go after her with everything they possibly can.

00:35:33.000 Whole Washington Post feature story trying to make her seem as if she is something that she's not.

00:35:39.000 Of course, they would never do such an investigative story against Eric Swawell for sleeping with a Chinese spy by the name of Fang Fang.

00:35:48.000 I would love to see the Washington Post do an investigative story into Eric Swawell.

00:35:53.000 Yeah, that won't happen anytime soon.

00:35:55.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:57.000 Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 11, 2023

The "He Gets Us" Heresy with Allie Stuckey and Kurt Schlichter

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