The Charlie Kirk Show - The History of Really Horrible Ideas with Michael O'Fallon

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Michael O'Fallon from Sovereign Nations on an incredibly important conversation, intellectually stimulating about the great reset, woke as a World Economic Forum, Hegelianism, post-modernism, post-structuralism, hermeneutics, and Gnosticism.

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00:01:40.000 Hello, everybody.

00:01:41.000 I'm Charlie Kirk, and this is Morpheus.

00:01:45.000 It's Michael O'Fallon.

00:01:46.000 Michael, welcome to the program.

00:01:48.000 Thank you.

00:01:48.000 It's good to be here.

00:01:49.000 Introduce yourself to our audience.

00:01:51.000 Mike O'Fallon, I founded Sovereign Nations back in 2017.

00:01:55.000 I think really after a long, many years of frustration and trying to get others, including my clients, to oppose what was going to be happening in this world.

00:02:04.000 All over the world, basically, what you're looking at is a loss of national sovereignty.

00:02:08.000 You're looking at a loss of your own individual sovereign rights.

00:02:11.000 You're looking at a loss of the ability to have volitional control of your movement.

00:02:17.000 A loss of cognitive liberty.

00:02:19.000 So it's those things that we really had to come up and challenge.

00:02:22.000 So we founded our organization back in 2017.

00:02:26.000 At the first conference, we had someone who no one had ever heard of by the name of Dr. Jordan Peterson.

00:02:34.000 You know, no one had known him at the time, and I had him come and speak and some others that had participated as well.

00:02:41.000 But we took this on, and it's happening basically what you're looking at.

00:02:46.000 And when we define the great reset, we're looking at basically a long march through the institutions, as Rudy Deutschke would recall.

00:02:56.000 And Rudy Deutschke is the German Marxist from many years ago.

00:02:59.000 And as well, that Herbert Marcusa would say that, yes, Deutsche's concept of long march through the institutions is what is necessary.

00:03:06.000 So, and that basically happened at the same time, the founding of what would be called, then later on, the World Economic Forum.

00:03:13.000 So, the founding of the World Economic Forum with kind of the reconstitution of what was going to be happening with the United Nations, what was happening post-Vatican II within the Roman Catholic Church, what was happening with the World Council of Churches, what's happening with all of these different movements, both within Democrats, within Republicans,

00:03:28.000 basically making a shift back to more of a progressive mindset, especially after Bretton Woods II, is that you had a pathway that would be taking our nation and our world and Western civilization to basically resetting, if you will.

00:03:44.000 And so, that's something that I've been aware of for quite a long time.

00:03:47.000 And I've been trying to resist the best I possibly can for the past eight to nine years.

00:03:53.000 So, there's a lot there to unpack.

00:03:55.000 So let's go back to what you talk about like post-Vatican II, kind of in this area, you know, this kind of period of time.

00:04:01.000 What was it about that period of time, Marcuse, you know, that really things started to become, you started to see institutions pop up around this kind of globalist point of view?

00:04:12.000 Well, if you take a look back to that time period, we're talking about between the early 60s, the mid-60s, and the late 60s, it had several different things that were happening at the same time.

00:04:21.000 Number one, you were in a post-Stalin era in Russia.

00:04:25.000 You had a change within what was happening within Marxism and communism throughout the world, both internationally within Vietnam, within Central America, within South America, within different parts of Africa, and so forth.

00:04:38.000 And then as well, you had within Vatican, the Vatican II situation, which was happening within the Roman Catholic Church, you had kind of a reimagining of the faith.

00:04:50.000 The Synod of the Catacombs that took place just at the beginning of Vatican II.

00:04:54.000 And that's with Dom Helda Kamara, with many others, where basically they were intentionally trying to move the church, the Roman Catholic Church, to understand it as a faith of the oppressed, which then that theme generatively is then reconstituted within someone by the name of Paulo Ferreri, which a good friend of ours named Dr. James Lindsay has been hitting that quite a bit lately.

00:05:14.000 And Paulo Ferreri would write the book, The Pedagogy of the Oppressed, and then as well, The Politics of Education.

00:05:20.000 And in chapter 10 of the Politics of Education, you would see Paulo Ferrere start to basically introduce everyone to the concept that basically what this is is a catechesis or a teaching of these things, not just through education, but as well, you need faith too.

00:05:36.000 So you have the public private partnership between the World Economic Forum, governments of the world.

00:05:42.000 You have the World Economic Forum beginning to penetrate the cabinets with young men and women that are trained in these things.

00:05:48.000 We must penetrate the cabinets.

00:05:50.000 You do that very well.

00:05:51.000 Actually, it's kind of scary.

00:05:53.000 But you have this occurring.

00:05:55.000 And so you have this happening, penetrating the cabinets within government institutions, penetrating the cabinets within shareholders, penetrating the cabinets within corporations, penetrating the cabinets within educational institutions, penetrating the cabinets within hierarchical ecclesial institutions as well.

00:06:14.000 Not just Christianity, but every major religion.

00:06:16.000 So all of this is happening at the same time to create your march through the institutions.

00:06:21.000 What is the ideology behind globalism?

00:06:24.000 This is something that most people struggle to articulate or understand.

00:06:28.000 What do they want?

00:06:29.000 Well, I mean, in many ways, you're kind of, once again, you could go back to Hermeticism and Gnosticism again.

00:06:36.000 What are those things?

00:06:37.000 Well, basically, you're looking, Hermeticism is, if you're familiar with the Greek legend of Pygmalion, it's once again, the concept of changing something that was into something that is not.

00:06:48.000 And then you're still calling it that it is without its actual properties making a change.

00:06:53.000 So, in other words, in basic alchemy, you decide.

00:06:57.000 I was going to say, it sounds like alchemy.

00:06:58.000 Yes, that's what it is.

00:07:00.000 So, with alchemy, you're taking, let's say, some metals of some sort, and you're going through this process.

00:07:06.000 And on the other end, because you've made it now look shiny and yellow, then you're saying, look, that's gold.

00:07:10.000 But it really doesn't have those properties.

00:07:12.000 So, with Hermeticism and Gnosticism, Gnosticism is basically looking at what is the physical, right?

00:07:19.000 What's around us here?

00:07:20.000 This is evil.

00:07:21.000 And what we have to do is we have to transition into the spiritual.

00:07:24.000 So, from the demiurge, the physical, the evil, the bad, into the spiritual, the Sophia wisdom, the pistisophia, and so forth, we must go here.

00:07:33.000 And over here within the spiritual, this is all good, and it's away from the things that constrain us.

00:07:38.000 So, in essence, that's liberation.

00:07:41.000 So you're liberating into the gnosis, the gnosis of making that happen, which now today can be seen as what's happening as we transition from an analog physical world into a digital world and from an objective world of truth, of solidity into a subjective world.

00:07:59.000 So that's one thing.

00:08:00.000 You have Gnosticism and Hermeticism, basically a dialectical combination of both.

00:08:05.000 And then you're basically transitioning as well into where Hegel would understand to be the perfect state.

00:08:11.000 And the perfect state, of course, in his understanding of theology and the immunotization of the eschaton, which means the coming of the end things, the final things, would be the state and the perfected state.

00:08:26.000 And then Marx as well, in his dialectical understanding of materialism, would basically say, yes, the state is the thing, and would push out a lot of the metaphysical side of these things.

00:08:36.000 But you have later on this kind of picking up on this idea that we need to have a gradualistic move towards this Marxian concept, this Hegelian concept of moving towards this kind of socialistic state.

00:08:50.000 Folks like the Fabians, which then would be the London School of Economics and the Labour Party in Great Britain, would kind of transition as well into our Democratic Party as well as into the Progressive Republicans here in the United States.

00:08:59.000 You would have this begin to take place in education.

00:09:02.000 You would see this happening within ecclesial realms through Walter Rauschenbush and the Brotherhood of the Kingdom, which were Baptists, by the way.

00:09:09.000 They were Baptists that believed in a social gospel.

00:09:13.000 And much of that then has meticulated itself through different faiths along the way.

00:09:19.000 So there's one word I want to focus on here, and that is history.

00:09:24.000 When you hear them talk about history, and they love using that term history throughout their language or their speeches, how history will judge us.

00:09:33.000 What do they mean by that?

00:09:33.000 We're part of history.

00:09:35.000 Well, when you take a look at the way that the Marxists would understand history, the way that those that are part of this Gnosis language is, what is history is what we make it to be. 0.94

00:09:46.000 History is not what is, it is what is becoming.

00:09:49.000 It's unfolding.

00:09:50.000 It's going towards something.

00:09:51.000 It's coming to it.

00:09:51.000 Correct.

00:09:52.000 But it also means that when you take a look at the past, is that when you're looking in the past, it's not necessarily what it was, it's what it should be.

00:10:01.000 So everything is changeable.

00:10:03.000 So we're always beginning to make this, again, this alchemical transition into what something should be.

00:10:10.000 That's what they mean by history.

00:10:12.000 And you see it in Stalin's language.

00:10:14.000 You see it in Mao's language, a constant refrain back to history.

00:10:19.000 And that really was one of Hegel's major contributions, which was a certain way of viewing history, which he would obviously call the dialectic.

00:10:27.000 And you have the thesis and the antithesis, and you create a synthesis, which is through this albeit messy combination of events, we're barreling towards something that could be described as utopia, but it's much deeper than that, isn't it?

00:10:43.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:10:44.000 And that would be the idea of, yes, making this creation.

00:10:47.000 And so what you're doing is you're making reflexive statements, is you're saying what something should be.

00:10:52.000 And the current administration that we have in office right now does a wonderful job of that.

00:10:56.000 We're here with Michael O'Fallon.

00:10:58.000 We're going to talk more about what we would call wokeism, and then we're going to dive deep into how these idea pathogens have been able to find their way into seminaries, into churches, much deeper than I think most people realize.

00:11:10.000 Michael O'Fallon from Sovereign Nations, very important organization.

00:11:14.000 He's speaking this weekend at our great reset event here in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:11:18.000 We'll be right back.

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00:12:19.000 Okay, Michael, we were talking a little bit about history and deconstructionism.

00:12:24.000 For a lot of our audience, they're busy.

00:12:26.000 They're bringing their kids to soccer practice.

00:12:28.000 They're working.

00:12:29.000 They don't have as much time to dive into these ideas as much.

00:12:32.000 Can you just build out a little bit why all of these philosophical debates have real-world implications, especially when it comes to the World Economic Forum?

00:12:40.000 Because the way the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset has described at times is nothing more than money-grubbing, power-hungry people.

00:12:47.000 But the argument you're making is that there's actually an ideological and a philosophical zeal to these people, which I think actually makes them far more dangerous.

00:12:57.000 And I think just ask yourself this question, those of you that are listening right now, is that when you think of them and people are referring to the World Economic Forum as, well, they're just a big bunch of billionaires and they're money-grumming and so forth.

00:12:57.000 Right.

00:13:10.000 It's like, no, actually, they have money, but they're ideologically driven.

00:13:14.000 So as opposed to the old-style communists that were poor and huddled in basements and so forth, instead, these have become the captains of tech.

00:13:22.000 They're the Gulfstream Marxists.

00:13:24.000 Yes.

00:13:24.000 Well, and they're the ones that basically have taken advantage of financial institutions and so forth.

00:13:29.000 But then all of a sudden, the ideas that are coming out of them seem to be somewhat unified.

00:13:33.000 Isn't that odd?

00:13:35.000 And so as you're part of the World Economic Forum, and if you take a look at almost every major corporation that we have, is that, well, if your intention was money and that was your main concern, well, why are the major oil and gas companies disrupting and dismantling their operations and making themselves less profitable?

00:13:54.000 Why would the major motor companies of the world start disrupting and dismantling their production and for two years almost stop producing cars?

00:14:02.000 Well, you see, we had a microchip problem.

00:14:04.000 Oh, you're willing to take a $900 billion loss for a microchip problem.

00:14:07.000 Really?

00:14:08.000 Would you be, let's say, if you're someone who is involved with the production of food, start to create issues and problems that would end up with the trouble of being able to distribute food and even create food for people?

00:14:19.000 Well, that would be something that would be contrary to what your stated goals if you're someone who is concerned about fulfilling your obligations to your shareholders.

00:14:28.000 So there's something else going on.

00:14:29.000 And part of this is probably a luxury belief.

00:14:32.000 They're so rich, they're so powerful that it becomes fashionable to embrace some of these ideas.

00:14:38.000 But it goes deeper than that.

00:14:40.000 These are true believers in a Hegelian, secular, humanist unfolding of history agenda.

00:14:47.000 And whether it be climate change, diversity, equity, inclusion, environmental, sustainable governance, all these different things, that they look at themselves as an instrument of history to achieve what?

00:14:58.000 And that's really what I want to try to zero in on before we get to some of the other topics.

00:15:02.000 What does success look like for them?

00:15:04.000 Well, success looks like for them as a top-down technocratic oligarchical rule.

00:15:09.000 Isn't that what we have?

00:15:11.000 It's kind of was a plutocracy for a while.

00:15:14.000 And there's elements of that too, because what you could basically say is where we would look at the spreading of a virus, right?

00:15:21.000 And the virus issues that we just went through over the past two years is that before the virus actually took place in 2019, 2020, and the spread of the virus and so forth, is that for years in laboratories, you had gain of function, basically making the virus more communicable, making it better, making it more resilient and so forth.

00:15:43.000 So what you have right now are ideologies and what we've gone through is an ideological governmental gain of function.

00:15:52.000 So now you don't just have fascism.

00:15:55.000 You don't just have communism.

00:15:57.000 You have enviro communo fascism.

00:16:00.000 That's exactly right.

00:16:01.000 It's a blend of all three.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 So it's very, very, it's gain of function in terms of how it actually works.

00:16:07.000 So you'd be looking at like a government like China, like Justin Trudeau.

00:16:10.000 You know, he looks across the sea at China and goes, oh, if I could only be just like that.

00:16:16.000 And so they are envious of China, aren't they?

00:16:18.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:16:19.000 Hey, look, they've already got a red flags that are on their way.

00:16:21.000 But, you know, you take a look at what they have.

00:16:25.000 And, you know, where Justin Trudeau is going is basically thinking that, okay, I need to become China.

00:16:32.000 And this idea that's been circulating through the state in the United States of America is that to beat China, we need to become China, in essence.

00:16:41.000 And of course, for the past 50, 60 years, been trying to help China become what they are now. 0.52

00:16:47.000 So almost like any Alinskyite formula that you would have over the past 70 years, you go in and start the fire.

00:16:53.000 And then you're the ones that comes and says, okay, we're here to put out the fire.

00:16:56.000 But I think there is this very interesting analysis here where it's the difference of being and becoming.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:04.000 And that's how they view humanity and where we would much more look at the being of a person.

00:17:11.000 Who are you?

00:17:13.000 How are you made?

00:17:14.000 They look at becoming.

00:17:15.000 Now, of course, somebody wrote a book called Becoming Something.

00:17:19.000 It wasn't Michelle Obama.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, it was Michelle Obama.

00:17:21.000 Becoming Michelle Obama.

00:17:22.000 But that's a very important word that we must be on our way.

00:17:25.000 The progress, the revolution, the journey will never stop, right?

00:17:29.000 Whereas we say, wait a second, being itself, biblical idea, be still and know that I am God.

00:17:34.000 That's a much different way of viewing your existence than kind of tumbling through towards some unspecified objective.

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00:18:42.000 Can you talk about the difference between being and becoming?

00:18:45.000 Well, being, when we talk about a state of being, it is something that is.

00:18:51.000 Very Aristotelian.

00:18:52.000 Correct.

00:18:53.000 And so when you're taking a look at something that is, it's solid and so forth, something that is becoming is something that is always fungible.

00:19:01.000 So there's never any stop in the process of actually stopping at being.

00:19:07.000 So it's always becoming, it's something that's perpetual.

00:19:09.000 It's constantly metamorphosizing.

00:19:11.000 Correct.

00:19:12.000 Yes.

00:19:13.000 Brilliant.

00:19:14.000 But yes, that's absolutely correct.

00:19:16.000 And so, you know, when you're looking at this becoming and the state of becoming, which is, I believe, the state that they're wanting to put the United States of America right now, many forces want to put us in that kind of state of becoming, is that we're always shifting.

00:19:30.000 And if you'd notice this, if you just think about how life has been since, let's say, about those of you that are old enough to remember going back to the 90s to now, is that it seems as if the ground underneath your feet is always shifting.

00:19:45.000 The tectonic plates of our civilization are always moving.

00:19:49.000 There's never an opportunity to slow down and say, okay, we're in a good place.

00:19:54.000 Honey, let's go look and see if we can invest in this or let's buy this properly.

00:19:58.000 Let's do this because we know that this will be the thing that will happen in our trajectory.

00:20:03.000 Which, if you think about the reason that a lot of wars were fought in the past, it is to then have that state of shalom, that state of peace.

00:20:11.000 You know, that, okay, now we have solidity.

00:20:13.000 We know where we are.

00:20:14.000 Let's go.

00:20:15.000 Well, that's never the case now.

00:20:17.000 It's always moving.

00:20:18.000 It's always shifting.

00:20:19.000 And so there's always a crisis that's being created at all times.

00:20:22.000 I mean, Joe Biden is creating another crisis.

00:20:25.000 We got to take care of this.

00:20:26.000 We got to stop it now.

00:20:27.000 Whatever the teleprompter is telling him to say.

00:20:29.000 And that means that then, of course, everything has to shift again, whether it be oil and gas, whether it be education, whether it be a new foreign war that we have to fight.

00:20:39.000 Everything always moves and changes.

00:20:42.000 So let's shift gears a little bit here.

00:20:44.000 One of your passion projects, in fact, one of the projects you're most focused on and honestly most qualified to talk about is how these ideas, let's just use the filler term wokeism, CRT, deconstructionism, postmodernism, have found their way in the American church.

00:21:04.000 How serious of a threat is this?

00:21:07.000 It's the most serious threat to the church since the invasion of Islam. 1.00

00:21:15.000 That's how serious it is.

00:21:17.000 It's more serious even during the development of the church when you take a look back at the end of the second century, beginning of the third century of Valentinian Gnosticism that had come into Christianity, begin to populate it with the pseudopigraphical gospels, the apocryphal gospels, and so forth, the Thunderpotentia, Pisa Sophia, you know, infancy gospel of James, all these.

00:21:39.000 It's that much of a threat.

00:21:41.000 But the problem is here, it's not just a threat to faith.

00:21:45.000 It's everything, everywhere at the same time.

00:21:49.000 So as this has become a threat in faith, in the same time, it's become the threat in education.

00:21:56.000 In the same time, it's become the threat in our politics.

00:21:59.000 In the same time, it's become a threat in our legal institutions.

00:22:02.000 In the same time, it's become a threat everywhere because this parasitic thing called wokeism that means, again, a complete transformation of everything into something else.

00:22:14.000 First, it has to kill what was, and then it basically replicates what that thing was for a while until it becomes something else completely transformational.

00:22:23.000 There's that becoming word again.

00:22:24.000 That's correct, Joey.

00:22:26.000 Okay, so greatest threat to the church since the invasion of Islam. 1.00

00:22:30.000 Yes.

00:22:31.000 So how deep, how widespread is this threat in the American church?

00:22:38.000 It's absolutely everywhere.

00:22:40.000 If you take a look at every single major institution, and let's go, you know, almost beyond the pale of orthodoxy.

00:22:46.000 Let's go to every Protestant denomination, every charismatic Pentecostal denomination, every Roman Catholic, Orthodox, you know, et cetera, and then every faith.

00:22:58.000 Let's go into modern Islam. 0.88

00:23:00.000 Let's go into Buddhism and so forth.

00:23:02.000 It has infiltrated everything this thought.

00:23:04.000 So what is the is?

00:23:06.000 You said it has.

00:23:07.000 What is that thing?

00:23:07.000 Let's describe it a little bit more.

00:23:09.000 Well, basically, what it is, is, again, this kind of has its roots in a Marxian kind of theology, a Hegelian move, if you will.

00:23:19.000 If you want to go far back, yes, it has its roots in Gnosticism.

00:23:22.000 Once again, it's this idea that you're playing the oppressed-oppressor game in almost everything, and you're approaching everything that is within your faith structure.

00:23:31.000 You know, I don't know what denomination you're a part of or what faith tradition, but everything that must be looked at with a critical lens.

00:23:39.000 So, everything is wrong and must be changed.

00:23:42.000 We must become something else if we're to be faithful to God, if we're to be faithful to humanity.

00:23:48.000 So, this kind of change, and you know, a lot of the tools that are used are the same ones we've been talking about for years, which are critical race theory, intersectionality, critical pedagogy, all these different things: deconstructionism, postmodernism.

00:23:58.000 And basically, that is deconstruction.

00:24:00.000 So, you know, in the Derridian, Jacques Derrida, the French postmodernist, this concept of deconstruction, critical race theory, basically it goes to the building that's been built and it places all the explosives in the building and blows up, bloats it up, and it goes to the ground.

00:24:18.000 And what intersectionality does, this idea of post-deconstruction, you start this reconstruction and building it back up again, but now you use post-modern architecture and you build it upside down in strange shapes that don't even look like they can hold together.

00:24:33.000 Yeah, well, it's very easy for an eight-year-old to take apart a bike, not so easy to put it back together.

00:24:38.000 That's right.

00:24:39.000 Yeah, they've been thinking about these things for years.

00:24:42.000 And just like our economic structures, everything has to fit into systems.

00:24:47.000 So, as you're building an entirely new system for everything in the world, you have to then, with everything in the world, make sure that it can be a cog in the wheels of that new system.

00:24:59.000 So, faith has to fit just like the corporate world has to fit, just like health has to fit within that structure.

00:25:06.000 So, can you give one or two examples of what this looks like in practice?

00:25:12.000 How does this manifest?

00:25:13.000 What is a pastor, what do you see when he's like, oh, wow, they're engaging in this, a poster, a banner, a sermon, a t-shirt?

00:25:19.000 What does it look like when it's implemented?

00:25:22.000 Well, you'll hear things such as, let's say, a lot of the pastors that are involved with groups like the Gospel Coalition, which is a dialectical machine.

00:25:30.000 It's been taking what was and it's becoming something else through this process of creating the dialectic, the thesis, antithesis, synthesis, problem, reaction, solution.

00:25:42.000 So, what they'll say is, you know what?

00:25:46.000 Christians just can't vote like Christians used to vote before. 1.00

00:25:49.000 This was something you heard all the time in 2015, 2016, 2017, up to 2020, is that Christians just can't vote because we have to look at there being more issues to the Christian life than just one issue, which they would say would be abortion.

00:26:03.000 So, they would say, well, look, also, you know, taking care of the immigrant is a pro-life issue.

00:26:09.000 Making sure that we take care of the poor is a pro-life issue. 0.88

00:26:12.000 So, all of a sudden, everything becomes a pro-life issue as opposed to actually what pro-life was meant to mean.

00:26:18.000 So, then you start moving down these roads where all of a sudden the things that you thought you knew were important in the church, well, all of a sudden, it transitions to social justice, that these things become more important about really seeing the issues with the oppressed and how, you know, you as a Christian can't, you can't ignore these issues, that all of a sudden you yourself are only focused upon, you know, your monetary, your wealth, you're taking care of your own family.

00:26:43.000 Well, we have to take care of all families now. 0.89

00:26:45.000 So, there becomes this collectiveness that starts to happen.

00:26:49.000 And as well, you start moving away from what has been the historic Orthodox faith.

00:26:54.000 So, as opposed to being born again, you now have being woke.

00:27:00.000 So, you have books like Woke Church that were written by Pastor Eric Mason, and which the Ford was written by Legan Duncan, the head of Reformed Theological Seminary and Gospel Coalition board member.

00:27:11.000 You have this idea of really this canon of scripture.

00:27:15.000 So all of a sudden, they're asking you to start reading, start begin reading new things like Robin DiAngelo's white fragility, things from Jamar Tisbee and so forth, because what they're trying to do is they're trying to give you a new lens to view everything through for Christianity. 0.53

00:27:31.000 That's where it goes.

00:27:34.000 The Christian world should be in the ideal so resistant to this because it is... 0.76

00:27:44.000 The entire tradition of the faith is built on the inerrancy of scripture and the uncompromising views of truth.

00:27:51.000 How is it that all of a sudden that this pathogen has been able to latch on so successfully in a religion that's supposed to be not compromising of using secular lenses? 0.73

00:28:02.000 How did this happen?

00:28:03.000 Well, I mean, you think about it in years past, right?

00:28:07.000 Is that the way that liberalism would attack the church is it would attack inerrancy, you know, and so forth.

00:28:14.000 What this has done, this new movement, is it says, oh, we agree that the Bible is inerrant, but they will attack its sufficiency.

00:28:21.000 So instead of inerrancy, they say, well, but the problem is, is your mode of interpretation.

00:28:27.000 So your hermeneutic or the way that you look and understand and explain the Bible is wrong because, see, Charlie, you're seeing it through male, white, privileged eyes. 0.59

00:28:38.000 If you see the Bible through the eyes of someone who is oppressed, someone who is African-American, someone who is Latino, someone who is homosexual, someone who is of less means than you. 0.94

00:28:49.000 Trans or whatever. 0.96

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:50.000 So then all of a sudden you're going to see that those words, those meanings change drastically.

00:28:55.000 So what we need to do is make sure that we get all of these truths, these different standpoints.

00:29:02.000 Now all of a sudden we need to create a standpoint hermeneutic.

00:29:07.000 Hermeneutic, remind us what that is.

00:29:08.000 Correct.

00:29:09.000 So a hermeneutic is the way that you understand what the Bible actually means.

00:29:14.000 So that process that you go through to find out, no, what did the original author's intent really mean by this?

00:29:20.000 Well, now it's going to be, well, you can't understand that because of the fact that God speaks through the oppressed peoples of the world.

00:29:28.000 That's really where it goes.

00:29:30.000 So it's going to be the same thing that you're dealing with now in regards to constitutional law.

00:29:35.000 Would you consider this to be blasphemy?

00:29:37.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:29:38.000 It's heresy.

00:29:39.000 It's absolute heresy.

00:29:41.000 Because some of the things that you end up developing within your church is all of a sudden, now you have church that unfortunately is being carved out to be somehow welcoming to all these different concepts or standpoints as opposed to what we know to be the consistent word of God in our confessions.

00:30:01.000 All these different frames, all these different lenses, all these different processes.

00:30:05.000 And most Christians have no idea that's what's really happening.

00:30:09.000 Correct.

00:30:09.000 They say, well, what's wrong with that?

00:30:11.000 I mean, come on.

00:30:11.000 Of course, I want to look at the Bible through the lens of a handicapped trans person from Nicaragua.

00:30:17.000 Correct.

00:30:18.000 And so once again, you're going back to Paula Ferrere and Dom Helder Kamara, the red bishop. 0.77

00:30:18.000 Why not? 0.77

00:30:22.000 It's the same thing.

00:30:24.000 This all comes from the same root, and it's been populated throughout the Roman Catholic faith.

00:30:28.000 Liberation theology, yeah.

00:30:29.000 Well, liberation theology, but looking through everything through the eyes of the oppressed.

00:30:33.000 So you're creating generative themes that everybody must follow in order to be able to understand what scripture actually means.

00:30:39.000 And what you thought that it means is not what it really meant.

00:30:42.000 It's fascinating.

00:30:43.000 We're going to talk about what we could do to fight this and what an everyday person could do to combat this. 0.96

00:30:48.000 I guarantee you, somebody listening to this right now has a pastor or has somebody in their church that is parroting this garbage. 0.92

00:30:56.000 Amen. 0.99

00:30:56.000 Yes. 0.99

00:30:57.000 And it might take you, you might have to ruffle a couple feathers.

00:31:00.000 Michael, what can we do to push back against this and defeat this incredibly, at times, overwhelming threat?

00:31:08.000 Well, the first thing I would say for everyone that's listening out there is that you have to prepare yourself well first.

00:31:15.000 There's a lot of resources that are out there right now that I would suggest.

00:31:18.000 Charlie has written a good book on the great reset.

00:31:23.000 I would say Dr. James Lindsay, I think, wrote the best, most comprehensive work on what's actually happening with critical racism.

00:31:30.000 Race Marxism. 0.63

00:31:31.000 It's called Race Marxism. 0.73

00:31:32.000 Yeah, so we're actually going to buy a bunch of copies at Turning Point and do a big giveaway thing.

00:31:37.000 I need to talk to him about it, you know, but I think it's so important it gets to people's hands.

00:31:41.000 Absolutely.

00:31:42.000 I would think.

00:31:43.000 Possibly, you know, if you have the opportunity to, and I don't want to take you away from Charlie's podcast, because there's one podcast you want to listen to, it's Charlie's.

00:31:49.000 Well, thank you.

00:31:50.000 You can plug whatever you want.

00:31:52.000 It's Sovereign Nations.

00:31:53.000 No, you should.

00:31:53.000 It's a very important podcast.

00:31:55.000 We've been doing these things as well.

00:31:56.000 Dr. Lindsay and I do a number of things together talking about these issues, about what's happening within the church.

00:32:01.000 But understanding, you have to educate yourself first.

00:32:04.000 So there's some personal responsibility that goes along with defeating this thing.

00:32:09.000 It's almost like we're in an ideological war right now, ideological and theological.

00:32:14.000 And so you are pressed into service right now.

00:32:17.000 You're part of the forces that we need to be able to take this on.

00:32:20.000 Yeah.

00:32:21.000 So what I tell people, and you just articulate it better than I do, which is if you spend time educating yourself and reading about this, it actually is very comforting in the sense you know what you're up against.

00:32:33.000 You can start to see potential vulnerabilities in the opposition.

00:32:37.000 I think most people are uneasy because they don't quite understand everything they're up against.

00:32:43.000 There are exceptions to that.

00:32:44.000 There are people that email us that have read everything I've recommended and they get more anxious because they see how deep and how widespread it is.

00:32:51.000 So can you speak to that a little bit?

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:54.000 And I think one thing you can do with your anxiousness, quite honestly, is then talk to your pastor about it.

00:33:00.000 If your pastor is involved with this, after you've actually prepared yourself, and you have to be willing to say that you're willing to break with community.

00:33:07.000 And that's the toughest part of this, is being willing to say, look, what my community was, it is no longer.

00:33:15.000 It is transformed, is in the state of being.

00:33:18.000 Metamufe is the Greek word.

00:33:20.000 Metamufe. 0.94

00:33:22.000 So we're moving into something else.

00:33:23.000 So it is no longer what I actually dedicated myself to when I became a member of this church, of this body, of this denomination.

00:33:32.000 So as that's happening, I need to make sure that I position myself someplace else where there are faithful believers that I can trust, as opposed to taking my family to the same church where I hear this nonsense where they're programming your children.

00:33:47.000 They're programming your family.

00:33:49.000 That's really what's going on right now, to start to look at the Bible from a different way, to start to look at our nation from a different way.

00:33:56.000 And it's the same thing that's happening with so many that would call themselves conservative, but are really not conservatives that you've had to challenge and so forth through the years and be able to call them out.

00:34:06.000 Well, that all of a sudden means that Charlie's making a break in community and he's sort of, well, he's that radical and so forth.

00:34:11.000 He's not part of what we're doing here in the establishment.

00:34:14.000 And Charlie's like, yeah, you're right.

00:34:16.000 I'm not.

00:34:17.000 You know, and where he's able to, where he wrote about in the college scam, where he's saying, you know, possibly one of the best things that you could do as a young person is not go to college.

00:34:25.000 That's correct.

00:34:26.000 Because then you're going to be indoctrinated with all this stuff.

00:34:29.000 So prepare yourself, prepare yourself to talk to your pastors.

00:34:32.000 Prepare yourself, if necessary, to leave.

00:34:36.000 And then also, if you're in a position of leadership, use that position of leadership to eradicate this nonsense.

00:34:44.000 If you are on an elder board, if you are running a business, don't tolerate this. 0.77

00:34:49.000 The time is now to start to make stands and to excommunicate these ideas.

00:34:55.000 Right.

00:34:56.000 And so, Michael, sometimes they'll say, well, we don't want to be against book banning.

00:35:00.000 And we want to, you've heard this argument against CRT bans.

00:35:03.000 How do you respond to that?

00:35:05.000 Well, I mean, we're not banning the book forever from anywhere, but we're just saying don't bring your intellectual pornography into our schools.

00:35:13.000 Okay?

00:35:14.000 That which will corrupt that, Connor, write that down.

00:35:17.000 Intellectual pornography.

00:35:18.000 That which will actually just rip apart your family, rip apart your church, rip apart our society, rip apart our governments, rip apart your children's future. 0.95

00:35:28.000 And it's such a silly argument, right?

00:35:30.000 It's like saying, well, you know, when they go through the lunchline, you have to give them the option of arsenic. 0.91

00:35:34.000 Yes.

00:35:36.000 Milk or arsenic.

00:35:37.000 Actually, no, we're not going to do that because we love our children.

00:35:39.000 We're not going to let them consume awful idea pathogens.

00:35:43.000 Do we, in science class, do we teach them, well, we have to have the flat earth theory today?

00:35:47.000 Or do we do bloodletting in biology?

00:35:49.000 Correct.

00:35:50.000 Or do we have the previous belief that the earth was the center of our galaxy?

00:35:57.000 No, actually, we don't entertain those because they've been disproven.

00:36:00.000 Right.

00:36:00.000 So there are certain ideas, regardless if they've been published, that should be repudiated and rejected.

00:36:05.000 That's right.

00:36:06.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:08.000 Michael O'Fallon.

00:36:09.000 Michael, too bad we're out of time, but you have a great speech coming up this weekend at our great reset event.

00:36:13.000 Yes, if you have not already purchased your tickets, please go to Turning Point and make sure that you're there.

00:36:18.000 It's going to be amazing.

00:36:19.000 And millions of people will watch it online.

00:36:21.000 The online is going to be even bigger.

00:36:23.000 Reset.tpusa.com.

00:36:25.000 Michael, see you soon.

00:36:26.000 Thank you.

00:36:26.000 See you guys tomorrow.

00:36:27.000 Appreciate it.

00:36:28.000 Thanks.

00:36:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:32.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:36:33.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:36:35.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:36.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 16, 2022

The History of Really Horrible Ideas with Michael O'Fallon

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