00:00:42.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:51.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:04.000So you're right about the whole idea about why we're so confident about this new election lawsuit where we're just filing in right now a new motion for a new trial.
00:03:13.000Because Charlie, we didn't have these facts going into our first lawsuit that we lost by because we had no evidence.
00:04:47.000The whole election contest in Arizona hinges on this one case called Hunt v. Campbell.
00:04:53.000At the time in 1916, the sitting governor, he lost his election supposedly by 30 votes out of 55,000, which, by the way, is a bigger margin than my race with 280 out of 2.5 million.
00:05:05.000But after all the litigation went through, months went by, the governor, the de facto governor in effect, was removed from office, had to pay back his salary.
00:05:14.000And then the rightful winner took office.
00:05:17.000So there is precedent for this to happen.
00:05:19.000I know a lot of people like to throw out hyperbole.
00:05:22.000You know, I'm a pretty measured person, Charlie.
00:05:24.000I wouldn't be in this fight if I didn't think we had a chance and if I didn't think that there were legitimate problems on the election.
00:05:29.000Right now, I'll give hope to your listeners and your viewers right now.
00:05:32.000We were going into our first lawsuit down 511 votes.
00:05:36.000This new fact that just came out, we are now going into a lawsuit down 280, and there's still thousands of uncounted ballots.
00:05:44.000There's 50,000 plus under votes in Maricopa County.
00:05:49.000Those are people who supposedly skipped the attorney general race.
00:05:52.000But what we just discovered in Pinal County was there was about 65 ballots there that were counted as under votes that actually went my way.
00:06:01.000And that's where we're talking about these tabulation machines are not reading it correctly.
00:06:05.000What we need to do and what President Trump just came out with a statement the other day, he wants a full hand recount.
00:07:21.000But ultimately, what's going to happen is we're filing this new motion for new trial.
00:07:26.000If the judge grants it, we're going to put on a whole new trial again and get proper time to actually go through the ballots.
00:07:32.000Last time, the judge gave us six hours to go through millions of ballots, Charlie, because he was pushed around by the Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs, and Chris Mays' legal team.
00:07:43.000That's what I mean when I say I give Democrats credit.
00:07:50.000And if I were him, I would be really pissed off right now because what's going on?
00:07:54.000I mean, they have basically taken this in broad daylight with the court system because when one side, Republicans, only play by the rules, the other side doesn't care.
00:08:05.000We can't operate in a system like that.
00:08:06.000No, they've never cared about the rules.
00:08:08.000Abe, how can people help you or support you in this critical juncture and effort?
00:08:12.000Well, right now, you know, we've got very good, generous donors for helping out our legal efforts, which I'm super thankful for.
00:08:18.000But it's just to keep spreading the message around.
00:08:22.000I know in Pinal County tomorrow actually has a public meeting to discuss why they even certified their election, knowing that they had this huge discrepancy prior to even the recount.
00:08:33.000You know, I would encourage people to go out there, go confront your government officials.
00:08:37.000And for everybody else, just to keep the word out.
00:08:39.000This fight is not over in Arizona by any means right now.
00:08:43.000And I'm going to fight this until we actually know who legitimately won this election.
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00:10:50.000Democrats would consider it a massive accomplishment right now to be able to block all investigations in a mayorkus into Biden by getting a uniparty type speaker.
00:11:02.000And so Democrats right now, they know they're not going to be able to take back the House.
00:11:56.000He's already said publicly, first and foremost: look, there is a type of Republican out there, and there's about 20 or 30 of them that are worse than rhinos.
00:12:05.000They are more moderate than Paul Ryan.
00:12:43.000And yeah, you'll probably lose five to 10 Democrats, but they're going to be in more power than they even thought they would be.
00:12:48.000And then they're going to start cutting deals with Amash.
00:12:51.000And there goes all of your subpoena power, your oversight, Jim Jordan, Marjorie Taylor Greene, they will be in another cycle of a House majority.
00:14:29.000Here's the, you say, well, Charlie, is there anything good that could happen?
00:14:32.000Yes, there is a chance that through this process, you get an even more conservative speaker.
00:14:39.000That is a lower likelihood then, actually, than the higher likelihood is someone like Scalese, who's actually more moderate than Paul Ryan.
00:14:50.000You're like, oh, yeah, I like Steve Scalise.
00:14:52.000He's more moderate than Kevin McCarthy.
00:14:53.000Steve Scalise is buddies with Liz Cheney.
00:14:55.000So you hate Kevin McCarthy so much you would rather have a Liz Cheneyite?
00:14:59.000Kevin McCarthy is not buddies with Liz Cheney.
00:15:01.000They got in public feuds repeatedly, and he supported Harriet Hageman.
00:15:09.000You got a big risk that has been entered into the calculus in the equation.
00:15:14.000As Trump says, we'll see what happens.
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00:16:37.000I mean, look, again, we've talked about this at length prior to Christmas.
00:16:42.000You know, this is a big deal, this leadership race.
00:16:46.000And there's only 168 people, you know, that represent the states and territories who call the shots for the Republican Party at the national level.
00:16:55.000And I want to reiterate something for a lot of people because a lot of people are like, oh, well, the RNC doesn't matter.
00:17:02.000There's a lot that matters to the RNC.
00:17:04.000Yeah, that is the call point where the strategy and the prioritization of how we win, that's where it all starts.
00:17:14.000And if you don't have an RNC that's functioning on your behalf, that is smart, that is focusing on the states that we need to absolutely win, first the presidency and then our federal, most important federal races, we're going to lose.
00:17:27.000We're going to lose the entire country.
00:17:29.000So we're monitoring two things at once.
00:17:32.000We are monitoring the RNC race that's happening on 127, right?
00:18:16.000He says that deals are already starting to get cut to try to bring someone like Liz Cheney to become Speaker of the House.
00:18:22.000Yeah, I mean, that would be the worst case scenario that happens out of this entire thing.
00:18:29.000I mean, I'll tell you what, this is this speaker.
00:18:32.000I have a little bit of a different take on the speakers race.
00:18:36.000The in-depth conversation is not very different from this entire RNC race conversation, which is the Republican Party has a real issue right now.
00:18:45.000And it's that we are not working together the way that we're supposed to be working together.
00:19:25.000If we, if we can work together a little bit better, if we bring people in, if we actually make concessions that the Freedom Caucus want in ahead of time, that could have been avoided.
00:19:34.000And I'm not, I've never been carrying the banner of Kevin McCarthy.
00:19:38.000No, my whole fear this whole time has been this.
00:19:40.000No, this situation was I was told by people in our audience, Charlie, you are wrong and fear-mongering that this thing's going to go back into conference.
00:20:45.000And she would happily obliterate a Republican majority.
00:20:49.000So that would mean is that every committee would have equal representation, which means that no subpoenas of Biden, no subpoenas of Twitter, no subpoenas of the FBI, no subpoenas of the border.
00:20:59.000It would effectively destroy the House majority.
00:21:03.000And so, but you're right is that the weeks leading up to this, McCarthy team and others should have been more assertive in brokering a deal with the House Freedom Caucus.
00:21:20.000Because I think if the McCarthy team would have, I mean, a lot of what the Freedom Caucus was asking for is like what the movement wants, like in general.
00:21:59.000So all he had to do was kind of get across the finish line and get a couple of these guys of the Freedom Caucus to like really carry that banner.
00:22:06.000And I think we were, I think he was really close.
00:22:09.000But, you know, they pushed too many buttons and we have a much more fractured party after these last terms.
00:22:23.000So that's Kevin McCarthy's own bed that was made here.
00:22:27.000But you would have you, you, you would have more of a reason to shut down the Freedom Caucus on these things.
00:22:37.000The situation that we're in now is that in most states, and this includes Arizona, we are losing, but we're losing by the minority of the party that are in the establishment who aren't getting on board for an America first agenda.
00:22:52.000And that's kind of what's happening here in Congress.
00:22:54.000That's what's happening at the RNC level.
00:22:56.000That's what's happening in some state parties right now.
00:22:59.000And we just have to come to the realization that we have to work together.
00:23:03.000And that might mean a more America first party and then work our way down from there.
00:23:11.000And so this is now being put into a big question.
00:23:14.000And the majority of our audience, the emails we're receiving, just so we're clear, is that most of our audience says it's okay if we lose the House of Representatives as long as it's not McCarthy.
00:23:29.000No, and I'm just, you got to listen to your audience, right?
00:23:31.000So I'm not going to fight the audience, obviously.
00:23:33.000I am going to contribute to the conversation.
00:23:35.000I would rather have Jim Jordan as chairman of the oversight committee than Adam Schiff.
00:23:39.000I agree with that, but I do think that this is the part of the, again, the expectation, and I'll say it this way: the reason why we have leadership in Congress, leaders, is to figure this stuff out.
00:24:38.000How am I going to trust that you're going to be the guy that's going to be able to get massive pieces of legislation across the finish line and negotiate broker deals with the Biden administration?
00:24:46.000You're just not going to do it, right?
00:24:48.000So I don't blame people for having second thoughts and questions about McCarthy because of this.
00:24:57.000What I do know is this, is that it's their job to figure this out, and they're not getting that job done.
00:25:59.000I would say that there is a lot to lose.
00:26:01.000You lose all oversight, capacity, ability, basically effectively saying to the voters that showed up in big numbers to win back the House of Representatives, you don't get the House.
00:26:44.000But there was a huge fallout between McCarthy and Cheney publicly, like public disputes, and like, I'm no longer with, like, but part of that was because of the R, and this is like in the weeds here.
00:26:54.000In the RNC, there's what they call Rule 11, and it's part of the rules, which are the bylaws of the RNC, which says that the RNC members, the three people from that state.
00:27:03.000The three people of that state can basically identify that no support shall be given to anyone else other than whoever they name to be the nominee, essentially.
00:27:13.000And so they did this with Harriet Hagman.
00:29:32.000Yeah, Democrats are on poise to win everything in 24 and take over the whole country.
00:29:37.000We have the RNC race on 127, but in some ways, the speaker's race, does it foreshadow the chaos and the tumult of what's going to happen in the RNC race as well?
00:29:47.000If I'm watching this right now, I'm Rana.
00:29:49.000I am very concerned because this was not how this was supposed to go.
00:29:54.000How this was supposed to go was that McCarthy would easily glide to speaker.
00:29:58.000There's a reason why we're holding the RNC meeting in Southern California.
00:30:17.000And again, you know, wherever you fall on the Kevin McCarthy thing, I think this, I think it would have been a smart move to spend time listening to the grassroots, responding to the grassroots all last month and saying, you know what?
00:30:31.000You know, maybe we need to shake things up at the RNC a little bit.
00:31:04.000So look, regardless of what happens with what happens in this congressional vote here for Speaker, we now have an even more important vote now on 127.
00:31:46.000That should have been the end of it because that's how a team works, right?
00:31:49.000You hash this stuff out, figure it out, and then you move on.
00:31:53.000But if you're a narcissist, if you're a narcissist and you believe that your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's, then you'll keep going.
00:32:01.000And you'll threaten to tear down the team for the benefit of the Democrats just because of your own sense of self-importance.
00:34:00.000You guys can go to hireharmeet.com, H-I-R-E, like you're hiring somebody, harmeet.com, and contact your state chairman or committeeman or committeewoman demanding change at the RNC.
00:34:14.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.