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00:00:01.000We reflect on me going viral for Juneteenth, and then Dr. Robert Malone joins us to make sense of the Hotez Kennedy-Rogan drama.
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00:02:01.000I think it's the third on this topic so far, and I've recorded twice.
00:02:06.000I became aware of it on Father's Day when I woke up, and another podcaster was pinging me by a text saying that I absolutely had to get on because there was this firestorm happening on Twitter.
00:02:24.000Let's see, the high-level take I have on this is: number one, we're seeing very childish, petulant behavior on the part of the anointed academic vaccinologists, with Peter Hotez being the prime example and frequently the increasingly the spokesperson in lieu of Tony Foucher.
00:02:50.000And Hotez did not have to jump into this.
00:02:55.000We had the Rogan, RFK Jr. hit, which I listened to carefully because I knew I was going to be needing to put out a broadcast about this and some essays.
00:03:09.000And at the fringes, there's some things that Bobby said or areas that he went into that I wish that he hadn't.
00:03:18.000And I'm not endorsing Bobby Kennedy for president.
00:03:22.000I'm not part of the campaign, any of that.
00:03:25.000But, you know, he should not have allowed Rogan to drag him into the 5G wireless controversy.
00:03:35.000And he made some mistakes towards the end.
00:03:37.000It was a very long broadcast, as often is the case.
00:03:41.000And I think Bobby got a little tired in the end and mixed some things up.
00:03:45.000On balance, he was very, very careful to walk through the logic of how he got sucked into this whole controversy about vaccine safety and pediatric populations from his prior stance having to do with his waterkeeper's mission and responsibility, which had led him into the issue about methylmercury in contamination in fisheries.
00:04:14.000And he very carefully walked through the explanation of the difference between methylmercury and ethylmercury, ethylmercury being what was in the vaccines traditionally as a preservative/slash adjuvant.
00:04:26.000And the data, which is often selectively reported, but en masse shows that, yes, ethylmercury, which is in the vaccines or was, does leave the bloodstream much faster than methylmercury does after people eat contaminated bunafisher.
00:04:46.000But that doesn't mean that it is excreted in the urine or in the feces.
00:04:49.000It leaves the bloodstream rapidly because it rapidly distributes into the brain.
00:04:57.000And he went over the studies, government-funded studies that have demonstrated this, which are repeatedly overlooked.
00:05:05.000And he gave a great anecdote of an interaction he had with Paul Offutt, another one of the anointed vaccine academic feet.
00:05:14.000And generally, I thought he was extremely cautious and documented his position quite well.
00:05:24.000And then, of course, we had what Joe Rogan characterized as the dog shit Vice article that came out.
00:05:34.000It was just a pure slanderer ad hominem hit piece of the classic style that you and I are both very familiar with, having been subjected to it, of disinformation on the part of the media and the regurgitation of the approved storyline on these issues, which includes the characterization of Mr. Kennedy, who is now a serious candidate for president.
00:06:02.000He's a major threat to both Trump and Biden, which is the truth, by pulling.
00:06:07.000And the Vice News characterized him as fringe, et cetera.
00:06:16.000And then, for some reason, Peter Hotez felt that he had to throw his hat in the ring.
00:06:20.000Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he has a book coming out that is about the damage being done to the science or scientism by quote misinformation as he characterizes it.
00:06:35.000So this does, you know, then this is a great opportunity for Mr. Hotez to amplify his profile in advance of his book coming out.
00:06:46.000And he kind of repeated the same Vice News defamatory statement.
00:06:55.000And it looked like there was nothing but upside for Mr. Hotez, given how wicked the press has been about Mr. Kennedy and characterizing him as a nut and anti-vaxxer, which of course is now, I think, a plurality, if not the majority of Americans identify as anti-vaxxers since they defined anti-vaxxer as meaning anybody who is against vaccine mandates.
00:07:20.000But for some reason, Hotez felt he had to jump into this fray.
00:07:28.000You would have expected this to go very well for him because he has corporate media wins at his point.
00:07:34.000And then in steps Mr. Rogan, who almost never gets engaged in Twitter controversies.
00:07:42.000In fact, in the interview with Bobby, Rogan talks about that he doesn't generally engage on Twitter.
00:07:49.000For some reason, he decides he needs to.
00:07:52.000And he offers these two guests that he's had previously, and particularly Dr. Hotez, $100,000 to his charity of choice if he would only come on Rogan's podcast and have a conversation with Mr. Kennedy.
00:08:10.000Now, the caveat here I think we need to all recognize is the market share value for Spotify of a controversy like this and Hotez versus Kennedy, the knockdown fight on Rogan, would have well exceeded $100,000.
00:08:30.000So this is a winning prospect for Spotify and for Rogan.
00:08:39.000There's some back and forth, kind of hit for tat, very childish with Hotez.
00:08:45.000And then a bunch of people step in and up the ante, including we have Mr. Elon Musk getting engaged.
00:08:55.000And then things start getting really interesting.
00:08:59.000And as of yesterday, I think the ante was up to 2.5 million.
00:09:04.000And Twitter was on fire over this, as was various chat boards.
00:09:10.000And the chat boards reflect the bias of people that use them.
00:09:14.000So there are chat boards that are all about, oh, no, you absolutely shouldn't debate Bobby because he's not a scientist and he's fringe and he's just a nutter and blah,
00:09:29.000As I see it, having carefully poured over a lot of this documentation and these transactions, which, as I say, many of them, particularly from the ostensibly mature senior academic vaccine thought leaders, come across as virulent, childish behavior of the type of between my two and a half year old and four-year-old grandchild that I was visiting over the weekend for father's.
00:09:58.000And Bobby Kennedy comes across as the grown-up in the room with Joe Rogan sitting on the sidelines, kind of amazed at the whole thing.
00:10:11.000And so now we have Hotez dug in looking frankly like a fool.
00:10:17.000Dr. Malone, why is Dr. Hotez or people like him unwilling to debate?
00:10:26.000If he is so right, I mean, he's published several books on this topic.
00:10:32.000So he obviously thinks he knows what he's talking about, and he's considered to be the leading expert on this.
00:10:38.000I mean, Dr. Hotez, the book, Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism, Preventing the Next Pandemic, The Deadly Rise of Anti-Science, Forgotten People, Forgotten Diseases, The Blue Marble Myth.
00:10:52.000These are all written by Dr. Hotez, yet he doesn't want to have what would be one of the most publicized and viewed podcast discussions on the topic of modern science in history.
00:11:05.000So the easy, superficial answer is that he's afraid that Bobby is going to mop the floor with him because for the most part, Peter has lived in a very protected, sheltered world where the anointed academics of vaccinology are allowed to say whatever they want to say, and pharma backs them, corporate media backs them.
00:11:29.000Everybody treats them like I think Glenn Grenwolf may have just posted a tweet and a thread that gets a little bit deeper.
00:11:42.000And I'd like to quote some of what he said.
00:11:48.000The preamble to this is that all the way through the COVID crisis and before, Peter has acted as a mouthpiece of the approved party line, particularly from the Democratic Party.
00:12:02.000He is clearly very, very plugged into a propaganda machine and to the approved narratives that are propagated out corporate media by this government.
00:12:18.000He quotes Joe Rogan to Bobby Kennedy: why are you running?
00:12:22.000Bobby says, my party, Democrat, have become the party of war, become the party of censorship, become the party of pharmaceutical companies, of the neocons, very aggressive, belligerent foreign policy of forever wars.
00:12:34.000And Glenn goes on to say he's not running on vaccines.
00:12:36.000He's running on stopping neocons' love of endless wars, evils of the U.S. security, and regulatory capture by industry, all things liberals claim to talk about.
00:13:11.000Now, the other day I did a podcast about a month ago with another Tommy that broadcasts out of Palm Beach on Spotify.
00:13:20.000And when he uploaded, he's a very savvy programmer type, in addition to being a podcaster.
00:13:25.000And when he was uploading that onto YouTube, the first time ever, it got blocked during the load.
00:13:32.000And he has the sophistication to be able to go in and see what it was that triggered the algorithmic censors to stop that from being uploaded on YouTube.
00:13:42.000And it turns out it was at the moment when we started talking about Robert E. RFK is being subjected to algorithmic censorship by the large tech organizations.
00:14:00.000And I think that this obstinate refusal to debate or even consider what RFK is saying is really a coordinated effort to keep him from having exactly what you just said: a major platform.
00:14:16.000They don't want Bobby to have a major platform.
00:14:20.000They would rather sacrifice Peter Hotez on a pyre than they would to have Bobby Kennedy on a major podcast with Hotez and the attention of the nation focused on what is one of the most crucial issues as far as I'm concerned in public health, which is what the heck has happened to cause this autism spike.
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00:17:17.000Producer Andrew and the team manage all that.
00:17:20.000And all throughout the day, I was getting messages: Charlie, you're trending.
00:17:22.000Charlie, you're sorry, I was too busy working to worry about if I'm trending or not.
00:17:26.000But some people, you know, in the interwebs that were emailing me, Charlie, you're trending.
00:17:31.000I guess calling Juneteenth a critical race theory holiday that is synthetic and manufactured and a second Independence Day, National Independence Day, is controversial.
00:17:43.000Apparently, somebody did agree with me, though.
00:18:12.000And by the way, I will put in a plug for those Hillsdale Online courses you were mentioning.
00:18:16.000I do them with some of my kids and they're terrific.
00:18:18.000But the real problem with Juneteenth is not Juneteenth itself as an informal commemoration.
00:18:28.000And the people who sort of make these either dishonest or uninformed criticisms of us, who are saying, you know, hey, Juneteenth is not an appropriate federal holiday, think that we are somehow criticizing the end of slavery or, you know, we hate the idea of having this as a holiday.
00:18:44.000No, this does have its origins going back to Texas since the end of the Civil War.
00:18:49.000But the problem is you have to differentiate between the sort of official reasons that we're kind of having Juneteenth and the unofficial reasons.
00:18:58.000And the real, the reality of Juneteenth celebration is it is simply in modern America another place for radical left wingers to make demands for racial reparations, for all sorts of other things.
00:19:15.000And it was really something that kind of came out of the George Floyd movement.
00:19:19.000And even at the eve of it being declared a federal holiday, 60% of Americans said they knew little or nothing about it.
00:19:26.000So it was really an elite manufactured holiday on a national basis that is just kind of being used as a cudgel to beat white people and conservatives and really not something that on those sorts of grounds is something we should be celebrating.
00:19:41.000No, and it's obviously a summertime competitor to July 4th.
00:19:46.000And the actual reading of the bill, and I don't think most Republicans that support this even know the name of the bill, where the bill said National Independence Day.
00:19:55.000So now we have two Independence Days by law.
00:19:58.000That's not some sort of conspiracy theory.
00:20:01.000It is literally the name of now the law that makes Juneteenth a federal holiday.
00:20:07.000But, you know, Jeremy, I want to dive into this because race politics is critical for this dying regime.
00:20:16.000Instead of talking about the erosion of the middle class or ordinary muscular class member people that see their purchasing power deteriorating, we have to always be talking about trans politics or race politics.
00:20:27.000It's rather exhausting, and to see the emphasis on this is intentional.
00:20:32.000Why are race politics so important to this current regime?
00:20:36.000Well, as you put out, I mean, there's a couple of different reasons.
00:20:39.000One is which it kind of detracts from all the ways in which what the Biden regime is doing is not kind of helping the American middle class.
00:20:47.000I saw my own senator, Senator Daines, put out something, I think, just today on Twitter about the kind of fall of middle class incomes, at least in our state, you know, since Biden has taken office.
00:20:58.000So there is that, but it's also because it activates.
00:21:01.000I mean, there's a lot of politics that's ultimately about, you know, finding that bad guy, quote unquote, and to the extent that they can keep their base riled up and deciding that really it's white people and racism that are the cause of all the problems in America rather than the corrupt and incompetent Biden regime and the various people who are enabling it.
00:21:22.000That obviously serves their interests similarly to all the trans stuff that we're seeing kind of on sexual identity is serving the same instrumental purpose, even though we're talking about different groups.
00:21:34.000What is the racism industrial complex?
00:21:41.000It's kind of one of these hydras that once you cut off one head, you know, two more seem to grow.
00:21:47.000But, you know, when I've kind of used it, it is very much a group of people who have, you know, kind of taken over a civil rights law, which I think was put in for some very good reasons when it was put in and with very good intentions,
00:22:03.000but has kind of metastasized over the last 60 plus years now into this sort of monstrosity that increasingly governs every element of our lives and everything sort of becomes institutionally racist, institutionally homophobic, you know, whatever have you.
00:22:22.000And a lot of people make their living out of doing this, you know, out of kind of exploiting things like disparate impact and other kind of really toxic doctrines.
00:22:34.000And I'm hopeful that we're going to get a good ruling on the Supreme Court about affirmative action in the next couple of weeks.
00:22:41.000But I'm realistic enough to know how that's played out in states, even like California.
00:22:46.000And I point out, this is even unpopular in liberal states.
00:22:49.000In California, we just defeated, not we, but the residents of California by a 57 to 42 margin.
00:22:56.000They tried to bring back affirmative action.
00:22:57.000They had all the politicians endorse it.
00:23:16.000So there's two different cases before the Supreme Court right now that'll be basically answered, I would expect, in roughly similar ways.
00:23:24.000But there's students for fair admissions versus Harvard and the University of North Carolina.
00:23:29.000And it's really been brought on behalf of primarily Asian American students in particular, who have experienced very severe racial discrimination at these schools in terms of their ability to get in.
00:23:42.000And if you kind of look at their admissions rates, and this is almost as true for white students as well.
00:23:48.000It kind of depends on how you slice and dice.
00:23:50.000But in this case, the particular plaintiffs were representing Asian American students.
00:23:55.000But, you know, they basically said, look, you're blatantly discriminating against us on the basis of race.
00:24:03.000And I think they have a really compelling case.
00:24:06.000I think the justices found, if you believe what was kind of going on in oral arguments, that they also had a pretty compelling case.
00:24:14.000But we're going to have to see whether they will really go to the mat and say affirmative action is illegal or should be illegal, certainly at least in a university context.
00:24:26.000We'd had this upheld by Grutter versus Bollinger in 2023, but when Sandra Day O'Connor, excuse me, in 2003, but when Sandra Day O'Connor, who was the justice at the time, cast the fifth vote, she sort of said, well, in 25 years, we shouldn't need to be doing this anymore.
00:24:41.000Well, we're kind of coming to the end of that time.
00:24:44.000So we'll see if we get a better ruling.
00:24:46.000But even if we do, that's really going to be, just like on the abortion cases, it'll be the first step of the fight.
00:24:51.000It's not going to determine how the fight ultimately ends up.
00:24:56.000So do we have any sort of indication in oral arguments how they're going to go?
00:25:02.000I mean, I imagine Alito and Clarence Thomas aren't going to like the affirmative action regime.
00:25:06.000Is there a possibility that they try to split the baby, Jeremy, where John Roberts does what he did with Obamacare?
00:25:13.000But that's only if you have a defector of Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, or Amy Coney Barrett.
00:25:17.000Gorsuch would only defect if he finds some sort of weird, wonky, abstract constitutional reason for it.
00:25:26.000That he's an exact, it's just, he's very, he's a great, he's a good justice, but he finds very strange opinions at times.
00:25:32.000So I think the court should go 5-4 on this.
00:25:43.000One thing that I think makes me a little more optimistic is that John Roberts said kind of famously in a 2007 case that essentially I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but the way to stop discriminating against on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.
00:26:01.000So that's a pretty strong, I mean, what we have here is just blatant racial discrimination.
00:26:06.000So there is reason to be optimistic that even though Roberts is very squishy, that we will get him as a vote on this.
00:26:14.000But there is going to be a tendency to split the baby.
00:26:17.000And there is a concern, and this has been articulated by some of my Claremont colleagues, that even if we get it, if you look at the nature of how some of the oral arguments went, they were kind of there was still an implicit thing that, oh, don't worry, you're still not going to have that many more white people if you do this.
00:26:38.000Nobody was really willing to kind of come out and say, just flat out, discrimination is wrong.
00:26:44.000And even if this meant that we wound up with a lot more white or Asian admits to Harvard, that it would still be wrong.
00:26:51.000And so that's the kind of cautionary tale.
00:26:53.000I think people are too scared still to make the arguments that they should be making forthrightly.
00:26:58.000But having said that, I'm optimistic that we'll get at least a positive ruling that we can build on.
00:27:04.000Certainly, if we were to lose this, I think it would be a catastrophic defeat for the conservative legal movement and certainly for the Trump judges.
00:27:13.000But I'm a little more optimistic than that.
00:27:17.000I mean, states need to start to ban affirmative action.
00:27:21.000Texas finally did something that I was really looking forward to for years, which is they said we're defunding all the DEI departments at all state-funded universities.
00:27:49.000There are laws on the books that actively discriminate against people on the basis of their skin.
00:27:56.000The Asian complaint is legitimate and real, but it just goes to show the anti-white bias in our system that previous complaints by white plaintiffs, just no one wanted to hear from.
00:28:09.000But like first-generation Vietnamese equally are being as discriminated.
00:28:14.000It's just those actually tend to have more of a success.
00:28:19.000But, you know, WASPY Brett Jones from Stamford, Connecticut, someone's like, sorry, you're going to be fine.
00:28:27.000And that's actually how screwed up our justice system is.
00:28:32.000I want to tell you guys about something every single one of you can benefit from, and you guys need to change.
00:28:37.000It's who we use when we go to get mortgages.
00:30:39.000And again, these other banks that I deal with, it's like, here's 955,000 pages to sign, and they don't call you back, and they don't work weekends.
00:30:46.000I had a problem with one of the things on the process because it was one thing that wasn't filled out.
00:30:50.000And they respond on a Sunday within minutes.
00:30:52.000You're trying to get a response from a woke bank on a Sunday.
00:31:57.000I mean, he seems to kind of escape with a lot of luck, but now he's in a presidential year of which he has not survived one since 2012, where they had Mitt Romney.
00:32:09.000I can't imagine that John Tester wants Donald Trump to be the nominee because he gets all those people coming out of the rivers and the valleys and they come out of Flathead Lake and they come out of billings.
00:32:20.000Can we beat John Tester sitting Democrat in Montana?
00:32:25.000I'm actually quite optimistic and based on many things, including if you just look at who's been moving to the state in the last few years.
00:32:35.000And I go to church with Senator Daines, who's running the NRSC, and I can tell you he is certainly not being complacent about that in terms of finding a candidate or being serious.
00:32:45.000And we've got a few potential good ones out there.
00:32:48.000But I just think, you know, Trump took 57, 157 to 40 here in the last election cycle.
00:33:54.000Our legislature is only part-time, so he's sort of out of the headlines for right now, but he'll be back in there a little bit more and is kind of trying to be a national figure.
00:34:05.000I saw he was down in Florida going after DeSantis a little bit.
00:34:08.000I, by the way, as I think you know, I did kind of this big expose on Zephyr that got a lot of attention both in the state and nationally.
00:34:16.000And the amount of, you know, I'm sad to say that we don't have as many freaks in Montana as we do in other parts of the country, but they are just as awful.
00:34:24.000And the amount of kind of personal harassment, professional harassment that I've gotten as a result of doing what was really just a piece of investigative journalism that the Montana media should have been doing is unbelievable and kind of continues to go on.
00:34:43.000You kind of realize when you step into the arena, as you well know, Charlie, you really have to take a lot of hits.
00:34:49.000But I think the good news is that Zoe Zephyr does not represent ultimately at the end of the day, the views of the people of Montana.
00:34:56.000And I think the more visibility Zoe Zephyr has, the more the average Montanan is just going to look and say, you know, this is just not what we're about.