The Charlie Kirk Show - The Humiliation of Dr. Hotez with Dr. Robert Malone and Jeremy Carl

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00:00:01.000 We reflect on me going viral for Juneteenth, and then Dr. Robert Malone joins us to make sense of the Hotez Kennedy-Rogan drama.

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00:01:19.000 Joining us right now is Dr. Robert Malone, who also can say he broke the internet on the Joe Rogan experience.

00:01:28.000 Dr. Malone understands many different things, but obviously the COVID-19 tyranny we've been living under better than anybody else.

00:01:37.000 So, Dr. Malone, I want to get your take on this drama that has been unfolding from RFK Jr. and then Dr. Hotez and this debate.

00:01:46.000 What's going on with all this, Dr. Malone?

00:01:48.000 How should we think about it?

00:01:50.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:01:51.000 It's good to see you again.

00:01:52.000 I'm glad to see you're looking so healthy.

00:01:55.000 They're certainly throwing money at us.

00:01:59.000 I just put out a sub stack.

00:02:01.000 I think it's the third on this topic so far, and I've recorded twice.

00:02:06.000 I became aware of it on Father's Day when I woke up, and another podcaster was pinging me by a text saying that I absolutely had to get on because there was this firestorm happening on Twitter.

00:02:24.000 Let's see, the high-level take I have on this is: number one, we're seeing very childish, petulant behavior on the part of the anointed academic vaccinologists, with Peter Hotez being the prime example and frequently the increasingly the spokesperson in lieu of Tony Foucher.

00:02:50.000 And Hotez did not have to jump into this. 1.00

00:02:55.000 We had the Rogan, RFK Jr. hit, which I listened to carefully because I knew I was going to be needing to put out a broadcast about this and some essays.

00:03:09.000 And at the fringes, there's some things that Bobby said or areas that he went into that I wish that he hadn't.

00:03:18.000 And I'm not endorsing Bobby Kennedy for president.

00:03:22.000 I'm not part of the campaign, any of that.

00:03:24.000 Give the caveat.

00:03:25.000 But, you know, he should not have allowed Rogan to drag him into the 5G wireless controversy.

00:03:35.000 And he made some mistakes towards the end.

00:03:37.000 It was a very long broadcast, as often is the case.

00:03:41.000 And I think Bobby got a little tired in the end and mixed some things up.

00:03:45.000 On balance, he was very, very careful to walk through the logic of how he got sucked into this whole controversy about vaccine safety and pediatric populations from his prior stance having to do with his waterkeeper's mission and responsibility, which had led him into the issue about methylmercury in contamination in fisheries.

00:04:14.000 And he very carefully walked through the explanation of the difference between methylmercury and ethylmercury, ethylmercury being what was in the vaccines traditionally as a preservative/slash adjuvant.

00:04:26.000 And the data, which is often selectively reported, but en masse shows that, yes, ethylmercury, which is in the vaccines or was, does leave the bloodstream much faster than methylmercury does after people eat contaminated bunafisher.

00:04:46.000 But that doesn't mean that it is excreted in the urine or in the feces.

00:04:49.000 It leaves the bloodstream rapidly because it rapidly distributes into the brain.

00:04:54.000 That's kind of a problem.

00:04:57.000 And he went over the studies, government-funded studies that have demonstrated this, which are repeatedly overlooked.

00:05:05.000 And he gave a great anecdote of an interaction he had with Paul Offutt, another one of the anointed vaccine academic feet. 0.60

00:05:14.000 And generally, I thought he was extremely cautious and documented his position quite well. 0.87

00:05:24.000 And then, of course, we had what Joe Rogan characterized as the dog shit Vice article that came out.

00:05:34.000 It was just a pure slanderer ad hominem hit piece of the classic style that you and I are both very familiar with, having been subjected to it, of disinformation on the part of the media and the regurgitation of the approved storyline on these issues, which includes the characterization of Mr. Kennedy, who is now a serious candidate for president. 0.95

00:06:00.000 I don't think anybody can deny that.

00:06:02.000 He's a major threat to both Trump and Biden, which is the truth, by pulling.

00:06:07.000 And the Vice News characterized him as fringe, et cetera.

00:06:16.000 And then, for some reason, Peter Hotez felt that he had to throw his hat in the ring.

00:06:20.000 Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he has a book coming out that is about the damage being done to the science or scientism by quote misinformation as he characterizes it.

00:06:35.000 So this does, you know, then this is a great opportunity for Mr. Hotez to amplify his profile in advance of his book coming out.

00:06:46.000 And he kind of repeated the same Vice News defamatory statement.

00:06:55.000 And it looked like there was nothing but upside for Mr. Hotez, given how wicked the press has been about Mr. Kennedy and characterizing him as a nut and anti-vaxxer, which of course is now, I think, a plurality, if not the majority of Americans identify as anti-vaxxers since they defined anti-vaxxer as meaning anybody who is against vaccine mandates. 0.94

00:07:20.000 But for some reason, Hotez felt he had to jump into this fray.

00:07:25.000 And all was fine and dandy.

00:07:28.000 You would have expected this to go very well for him because he has corporate media wins at his point.

00:07:34.000 And then in steps Mr. Rogan, who almost never gets engaged in Twitter controversies.

00:07:42.000 In fact, in the interview with Bobby, Rogan talks about that he doesn't generally engage on Twitter.

00:07:49.000 For some reason, he decides he needs to.

00:07:52.000 And he offers these two guests that he's had previously, and particularly Dr. Hotez, $100,000 to his charity of choice if he would only come on Rogan's podcast and have a conversation with Mr. Kennedy.

00:08:10.000 Now, the caveat here I think we need to all recognize is the market share value for Spotify of a controversy like this and Hotez versus Kennedy, the knockdown fight on Rogan, would have well exceeded $100,000.

00:08:30.000 So this is a winning prospect for Spotify and for Rogan.

00:08:36.000 And then it catches fire.

00:08:39.000 There's some back and forth, kind of hit for tat, very childish with Hotez. 1.00

00:08:45.000 And then a bunch of people step in and up the ante, including we have Mr. Elon Musk getting engaged.

00:08:55.000 And then things start getting really interesting.

00:08:59.000 And as of yesterday, I think the ante was up to 2.5 million.

00:09:04.000 And Twitter was on fire over this, as was various chat boards.

00:09:10.000 And the chat boards reflect the bias of people that use them.

00:09:14.000 So there are chat boards that are all about, oh, no, you absolutely shouldn't debate Bobby because he's not a scientist and he's fringe and he's just a nutter and blah,

00:09:29.000 As I see it, having carefully poured over a lot of this documentation and these transactions, which, as I say, many of them, particularly from the ostensibly mature senior academic vaccine thought leaders, come across as virulent, childish behavior of the type of between my two and a half year old and four-year-old grandchild that I was visiting over the weekend for father's.

00:09:58.000 And Bobby Kennedy comes across as the grown-up in the room with Joe Rogan sitting on the sidelines, kind of amazed at the whole thing. 0.98

00:10:11.000 And so now we have Hotez dug in looking frankly like a fool. 1.00

00:10:17.000 Dr. Malone, why is Dr. Hotez or people like him unwilling to debate? 0.97

00:10:25.000 What is the fear?

00:10:26.000 If he is so right, I mean, he's published several books on this topic.

00:10:32.000 So he obviously thinks he knows what he's talking about, and he's considered to be the leading expert on this.

00:10:38.000 I mean, Dr. Hotez, the book, Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism, Preventing the Next Pandemic, The Deadly Rise of Anti-Science, Forgotten People, Forgotten Diseases, The Blue Marble Myth.

00:10:52.000 These are all written by Dr. Hotez, yet he doesn't want to have what would be one of the most publicized and viewed podcast discussions on the topic of modern science in history.

00:11:03.000 Why is that, Dr. Malone?

00:11:05.000 So the easy, superficial answer is that he's afraid that Bobby is going to mop the floor with him because for the most part, Peter has lived in a very protected, sheltered world where the anointed academics of vaccinology are allowed to say whatever they want to say, and pharma backs them, corporate media backs them.

00:11:28.000 Nobody questions them.

00:11:29.000 Everybody treats them like I think Glenn Grenwolf may have just posted a tweet and a thread that gets a little bit deeper.

00:11:42.000 And I'd like to quote some of what he said.

00:11:48.000 The preamble to this is that all the way through the COVID crisis and before, Peter has acted as a mouthpiece of the approved party line, particularly from the Democratic Party.

00:12:02.000 He is clearly very, very plugged into a propaganda machine and to the approved narratives that are propagated out corporate media by this government.

00:12:16.000 So here's what Glenn has to say.

00:12:18.000 He quotes Joe Rogan to Bobby Kennedy: why are you running?

00:12:22.000 Bobby says, my party, Democrat, have become the party of war, become the party of censorship, become the party of pharmaceutical companies, of the neocons, very aggressive, belligerent foreign policy of forever wars.

00:12:34.000 And Glenn goes on to say he's not running on vaccines.

00:12:36.000 He's running on stopping neocons' love of endless wars, evils of the U.S. security, and regulatory capture by industry, all things liberals claim to talk about.

00:12:48.000 Here's his kicker.

00:12:49.000 Every establishment hack, along with Google, is insisting RFK be denied all platforms.

00:12:55.000 I got some insights into that, Sheridan.

00:12:58.000 That nobody debate him.

00:13:00.000 As usual, that's their only tactic regarding dissent.

00:13:04.000 But it's also to pretend Biden has no challengers and to shield Biden from having to defend all of them.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, that's exactly.

00:13:11.000 Now, the other day I did a podcast about a month ago with another Tommy that broadcasts out of Palm Beach on Spotify.

00:13:20.000 And when he uploaded, he's a very savvy programmer type, in addition to being a podcaster.

00:13:25.000 And when he was uploading that onto YouTube, the first time ever, it got blocked during the load.

00:13:32.000 And he has the sophistication to be able to go in and see what it was that triggered the algorithmic censors to stop that from being uploaded on YouTube.

00:13:42.000 And it turns out it was at the moment when we started talking about Robert E. RFK is being subjected to algorithmic censorship by the large tech organizations.

00:13:57.000 And Glenn, I think, has got it right.

00:14:00.000 And I think that this obstinate refusal to debate or even consider what RFK is saying is really a coordinated effort to keep him from having exactly what you just said: a major platform.

00:14:16.000 They don't want Bobby to have a major platform.

00:14:20.000 They would rather sacrifice Peter Hotez on a pyre than they would to have Bobby Kennedy on a major podcast with Hotez and the attention of the nation focused on what is one of the most crucial issues as far as I'm concerned in public health, which is what the heck has happened to cause this autism spike. 0.78

00:14:42.000 It is absolutely real.

00:14:44.000 And is there correlation of any kind with the vaccine schedule?

00:14:49.000 Or is it attributable to glyphosate or some other Roundup or these other things?

00:14:55.000 Or is it a sum of all of the above?

00:14:57.000 I mean, but this deserves a debate.

00:15:00.000 If we're going to have something like one in 20 young males with high-grade autism, we need to address this.

00:15:09.000 We can't continue to bury it.

00:15:11.000 We should probably ask the question: where is it coming from?

00:15:15.000 Especially when it used to be one in a thousand.

00:15:16.000 Dr. Malone, I wish we had more time.

00:15:19.000 Excellent commentary.

00:15:20.000 As always, Dr. Malone is not afraid of those debates.

00:15:22.000 In fact, he invited them.

00:15:24.000 And Dr. Malone deserves a lot of credit for moving the Overton window courageously in the heat of COVID.

00:15:29.000 That episode broke the internet.

00:15:31.000 Dr. Malone, thank you so much.

00:15:32.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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00:17:12.000 Apparently, I was trending on Twitter yesterday.

00:17:15.000 I don't have the twitter.com app.

00:17:17.000 Producer Andrew and the team manage all that.

00:17:20.000 And all throughout the day, I was getting messages: Charlie, you're trending.

00:17:22.000 Charlie, you're sorry, I was too busy working to worry about if I'm trending or not.

00:17:26.000 But some people, you know, in the interwebs that were emailing me, Charlie, you're trending.

00:17:31.000 I guess calling Juneteenth a critical race theory holiday that is synthetic and manufactured and a second Independence Day, National Independence Day, is controversial.

00:17:43.000 Apparently, somebody did agree with me, though.

00:17:45.000 A very smart man.

00:17:46.000 So to earn his praise means something.

00:17:49.000 Jeremy Carl, who's a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, and he is super smart.

00:17:55.000 Jeremy joins us right now.

00:17:57.000 Jeremy, come on.

00:17:58.000 What's wrong with Juneteenth?

00:17:59.000 I was told.

00:18:00.000 Why shouldn't we just have another day off? 0.99

00:18:01.000 What are you, some terrible racist? 0.97

00:18:03.000 I was only called that 92 times yesterday in one minute. 0.97

00:18:07.000 Jeremy, what's the problem with Juneteenth?

00:18:10.000 Yeah, thank you, Charlie.

00:18:12.000 And by the way, I will put in a plug for those Hillsdale Online courses you were mentioning.

00:18:16.000 I do them with some of my kids and they're terrific.

00:18:18.000 But the real problem with Juneteenth is not Juneteenth itself as an informal commemoration.

00:18:28.000 And the people who sort of make these either dishonest or uninformed criticisms of us, who are saying, you know, hey, Juneteenth is not an appropriate federal holiday, think that we are somehow criticizing the end of slavery or, you know, we hate the idea of having this as a holiday.

00:18:44.000 No, this does have its origins going back to Texas since the end of the Civil War.

00:18:49.000 But the problem is you have to differentiate between the sort of official reasons that we're kind of having Juneteenth and the unofficial reasons.

00:18:58.000 And the real, the reality of Juneteenth celebration is it is simply in modern America another place for radical left wingers to make demands for racial reparations, for all sorts of other things.

00:19:15.000 And it was really something that kind of came out of the George Floyd movement.

00:19:19.000 And even at the eve of it being declared a federal holiday, 60% of Americans said they knew little or nothing about it.

00:19:26.000 So it was really an elite manufactured holiday on a national basis that is just kind of being used as a cudgel to beat white people and conservatives and really not something that on those sorts of grounds is something we should be celebrating.

00:19:41.000 No, and it's obviously a summertime competitor to July 4th.

00:19:46.000 And the actual reading of the bill, and I don't think most Republicans that support this even know the name of the bill, where the bill said National Independence Day.

00:19:55.000 So now we have two Independence Days by law.

00:19:58.000 That's not some sort of conspiracy theory.

00:20:01.000 It is literally the name of now the law that makes Juneteenth a federal holiday.

00:20:07.000 But, you know, Jeremy, I want to dive into this because race politics is critical for this dying regime.

00:20:16.000 Instead of talking about the erosion of the middle class or ordinary muscular class member people that see their purchasing power deteriorating, we have to always be talking about trans politics or race politics.

00:20:27.000 It's rather exhausting, and to see the emphasis on this is intentional.

00:20:32.000 Why are race politics so important to this current regime?

00:20:36.000 Well, as you put out, I mean, there's a couple of different reasons.

00:20:39.000 One is which it kind of detracts from all the ways in which what the Biden regime is doing is not kind of helping the American middle class.

00:20:47.000 I saw my own senator, Senator Daines, put out something, I think, just today on Twitter about the kind of fall of middle class incomes, at least in our state, you know, since Biden has taken office.

00:20:58.000 So there is that, but it's also because it activates.

00:21:01.000 I mean, there's a lot of politics that's ultimately about, you know, finding that bad guy, quote unquote, and to the extent that they can keep their base riled up and deciding that really it's white people and racism that are the cause of all the problems in America rather than the corrupt and incompetent Biden regime and the various people who are enabling it.

00:21:22.000 That obviously serves their interests similarly to all the trans stuff that we're seeing kind of on sexual identity is serving the same instrumental purpose, even though we're talking about different groups.

00:21:34.000 What is the racism industrial complex?

00:21:37.000 Who runs it and what is their goal?

00:21:39.000 Well, I think it's diffuse.

00:21:41.000 It's kind of one of these hydras that once you cut off one head, you know, two more seem to grow.

00:21:47.000 But, you know, when I've kind of used it, it is very much a group of people who have, you know, kind of taken over a civil rights law, which I think was put in for some very good reasons when it was put in and with very good intentions,

00:22:03.000 but has kind of metastasized over the last 60 plus years now into this sort of monstrosity that increasingly governs every element of our lives and everything sort of becomes institutionally racist, institutionally homophobic, you know, whatever have you.

00:22:22.000 And a lot of people make their living out of doing this, you know, out of kind of exploiting things like disparate impact and other kind of really toxic doctrines.

00:22:34.000 And I'm hopeful that we're going to get a good ruling on the Supreme Court about affirmative action in the next couple of weeks.

00:22:41.000 But I'm realistic enough to know how that's played out in states, even like California.

00:22:46.000 And I point out, this is even unpopular in liberal states.

00:22:49.000 In California, we just defeated, not we, but the residents of California by a 57 to 42 margin.

00:22:56.000 They tried to bring back affirmative action.

00:22:57.000 They had all the politicians endorse it.

00:22:59.000 It's a very racially diverse state.

00:23:01.000 Voters said, hey, we don't want that.

00:23:03.000 But there are a lot of people who benefit from it.

00:23:05.000 Yeah, let's talk about that.

00:23:06.000 So what is the current affirmative action case in front of the Supreme Court?

00:23:11.000 What are the details and what could the implications potentially be?

00:23:14.000 Sure, it's a good question.

00:23:16.000 So there's two different cases before the Supreme Court right now that'll be basically answered, I would expect, in roughly similar ways.

00:23:24.000 But there's students for fair admissions versus Harvard and the University of North Carolina.

00:23:29.000 And it's really been brought on behalf of primarily Asian American students in particular, who have experienced very severe racial discrimination at these schools in terms of their ability to get in.

00:23:42.000 And if you kind of look at their admissions rates, and this is almost as true for white students as well.

00:23:48.000 It kind of depends on how you slice and dice.

00:23:50.000 But in this case, the particular plaintiffs were representing Asian American students.

00:23:55.000 But, you know, they basically said, look, you're blatantly discriminating against us on the basis of race.

00:24:03.000 And I think they have a really compelling case.

00:24:06.000 I think the justices found, if you believe what was kind of going on in oral arguments, that they also had a pretty compelling case.

00:24:14.000 But we're going to have to see whether they will really go to the mat and say affirmative action is illegal or should be illegal, certainly at least in a university context.

00:24:26.000 We'd had this upheld by Grutter versus Bollinger in 2023, but when Sandra Day O'Connor, excuse me, in 2003, but when Sandra Day O'Connor, who was the justice at the time, cast the fifth vote, she sort of said, well, in 25 years, we shouldn't need to be doing this anymore.

00:24:41.000 Well, we're kind of coming to the end of that time.

00:24:44.000 So we'll see if we get a better ruling.

00:24:46.000 But even if we do, that's really going to be, just like on the abortion cases, it'll be the first step of the fight.

00:24:51.000 It's not going to determine how the fight ultimately ends up.

00:24:56.000 So do we have any sort of indication in oral arguments how they're going to go?

00:25:02.000 I mean, I imagine Alito and Clarence Thomas aren't going to like the affirmative action regime.

00:25:06.000 Is there a possibility that they try to split the baby, Jeremy, where John Roberts does what he did with Obamacare?

00:25:13.000 But that's only if you have a defector of Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, or Amy Coney Barrett.

00:25:17.000 Gorsuch would only defect if he finds some sort of weird, wonky, abstract constitutional reason for it.

00:25:26.000 That he's an exact, it's just, he's very, he's a great, he's a good justice, but he finds very strange opinions at times.

00:25:32.000 So I think the court should go 5-4 on this.

00:25:34.000 Do you agree?

00:25:36.000 I think it, you know, I would hope it goes 6-3.

00:25:39.000 I think 5-4 is maybe a little more likely.

00:25:42.000 There was no obvious defector.

00:25:43.000 One thing that I think makes me a little more optimistic is that John Roberts said kind of famously in a 2007 case that essentially I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but the way to stop discriminating against on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

00:26:01.000 So that's a pretty strong, I mean, what we have here is just blatant racial discrimination.

00:26:06.000 So there is reason to be optimistic that even though Roberts is very squishy, that we will get him as a vote on this.

00:26:14.000 But there is going to be a tendency to split the baby.

00:26:17.000 And there is a concern, and this has been articulated by some of my Claremont colleagues, that even if we get it, if you look at the nature of how some of the oral arguments went, they were kind of there was still an implicit thing that, oh, don't worry, you're still not going to have that many more white people if you do this.

00:26:36.000 And here's all these reasons why.

00:26:38.000 Nobody was really willing to kind of come out and say, just flat out, discrimination is wrong.

00:26:44.000 And even if this meant that we wound up with a lot more white or Asian admits to Harvard, that it would still be wrong.

00:26:51.000 And so that's the kind of cautionary tale.

00:26:53.000 I think people are too scared still to make the arguments that they should be making forthrightly.

00:26:58.000 But having said that, I'm optimistic that we'll get at least a positive ruling that we can build on.

00:27:04.000 Certainly, if we were to lose this, I think it would be a catastrophic defeat for the conservative legal movement and certainly for the Trump judges.

00:27:13.000 But I'm a little more optimistic than that.

00:27:15.000 So we'll see.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, I hope so.

00:27:17.000 I mean, states need to start to ban affirmative action.

00:27:21.000 Texas finally did something that I was really looking forward to for years, which is they said we're defunding all the DEI departments at all state-funded universities.

00:27:30.000 Yes, that is a great, great thing.

00:27:34.000 Every red state needs to do that.

00:27:37.000 And so we're going to see.

00:27:39.000 However, the other thing that I want to make sure that we focus on in this is, you know, I say there's a war on white people. 0.98

00:27:48.000 People lose their mind.

00:27:49.000 There are laws on the books that actively discriminate against people on the basis of their skin.

00:27:56.000 The Asian complaint is legitimate and real, but it just goes to show the anti-white bias in our system that previous complaints by white plaintiffs, just no one wanted to hear from.

00:28:09.000 But like first-generation Vietnamese equally are being as discriminated.

00:28:14.000 It's just those actually tend to have more of a success.

00:28:19.000 But, you know, WASPY Brett Jones from Stamford, Connecticut, someone's like, sorry, you're going to be fine.

00:28:27.000 And that's actually how screwed up our justice system is.

00:28:32.000 I want to tell you guys about something every single one of you can benefit from, and you guys need to change.

00:28:37.000 It's who we use when we go to get mortgages.

00:28:40.000 Look, I balance a lot of stuff.

00:28:41.000 I'm traveling all the time, my show, and I recently needed to get a mortgage to get something figured out.

00:28:47.000 And it was a tough one.

00:28:48.000 And I didn't want to go to those woke banks. 0.98

00:28:50.000 I did previous, my last mortgage we did.

00:28:53.000 It was with a woke bank, and they were just, they were bureaucratic, and they donate the BLM and the gay agenda and all that stuff. 0.79

00:28:59.000 And I said, what can I do to actually, and I said, of course, duh, hello, AndrewandTodd.com.

00:29:05.000 They're Christian.

00:29:06.000 They're conservative.

00:29:07.000 Our worldviews are aligned.

00:29:08.000 They're fabulous people.

00:29:10.000 When I needed a mortgage, of course, I went to my friends, Andrew Delray and Todd of Akin at Sierra Pacific.

00:29:16.000 And look, this is the first time I used them because, you know, we were just recently started doing stuff on the show and partners.

00:29:21.000 I said, okay, let's see how it is.

00:29:22.000 You know, we do a lot of things together.

00:29:24.000 I was blown away.

00:29:25.000 They respond within minutes.

00:29:26.000 They walked me through everything.

00:29:27.000 They took care of all those details I didn't have time for.

00:29:30.000 And I said, boy, guys, I now see how great you guys actually are.

00:29:33.000 Responsive.

00:29:34.000 And yes, no more of this woke stuff.

00:29:36.000 Stop using the woke banks.

00:29:38.000 Oh, I want to refinance my home and I'm going to go to a bank that hates me.

00:29:41.000 Stop doing that.

00:29:42.000 Instead, go to andrewandod.com.

00:29:44.000 So if you or someone you know is moving from blue states to red states, androidandodd.com.

00:29:49.000 Have an aging family member that needs financial relief?

00:29:52.000 Because maybe a reverse mortgage, AndrewandTodd.com.

00:29:55.000 Are you self-employed and finding it hard to qualify?

00:29:57.000 Or first-time homebuyer?

00:29:59.000 AndrewandTodd.com.

00:30:01.000 Again, what I love, again, I'm just friends with them.

00:30:03.000 So I could tell you, I have no other reason to say this except that it's true.

00:30:06.000 They're fabulous.

00:30:07.000 They work hard.

00:30:08.000 We go out to dinner together.

00:30:09.000 They're great people.

00:30:10.000 So don't depend on those woke banks, the big banks.

00:30:13.000 They do a terrible job, by the way.

00:30:15.000 They're funding all the destructive stuff.

00:30:16.000 They want centralized bank digital currency.

00:30:18.000 They're all part of the great reset.

00:30:20.000 This is a group of men.

00:30:22.000 Get rid of that.

00:30:23.000 This is a group of guys.

00:30:24.000 They do a great job and stop depending on woke banks.

00:30:27.000 For what I needed, I saw it firsthand.

00:30:30.000 They got it done for me.

00:30:32.000 And it was very complicated.

00:30:33.000 It was a thicket.

00:30:34.000 It was a maze.

00:30:35.000 It was a labyrinth.

00:30:35.000 And they said, oh, you got to do this and this.

00:30:37.000 And I'll make this phone call.

00:30:38.000 We'll do this and this paperwork.

00:30:39.000 And again, these other banks that I deal with, it's like, here's 955,000 pages to sign, and they don't call you back, and they don't work weekends.

00:30:46.000 I had a problem with one of the things on the process because it was one thing that wasn't filled out.

00:30:50.000 And they respond on a Sunday within minutes.

00:30:52.000 You're trying to get a response from a woke bank on a Sunday.

00:30:55.000 You'll say, sorry, no response.

00:30:57.000 So check it out.

00:30:58.000 It's AndrewandTodd.com, 888, 888, 1172.

00:31:02.000 That's how you call them.

00:31:02.000 And say, Charlie Kirk sent you.

00:31:04.000 You might actually get them on the phone.

00:31:05.000 Again, they're value-aligned, honest, trustworthy, wonderful people.

00:31:10.000 I use them.

00:31:10.000 You should use them too.

00:31:11.000 Super responsive, blown away.

00:31:13.000 And I could say, if they're good for me, they're good for you.

00:31:16.000 Love these guys.

00:31:17.000 AndrewandTodd.com, 888, 888, 1172.

00:31:20.000 And finally, some of you might say, oh, Charlie, bad time to buy a home.

00:31:24.000 I don't know about that.

00:31:25.000 You should look what's happening.

00:31:26.000 Commercial real estate is one thing.

00:31:28.000 Private single-family home ownership, it might actually stabilize and go up in the next year.

00:31:35.000 If you're young, it might be the time to get in.

00:31:37.000 Think about it, pray about it.

00:31:38.000 But most importantly, go to AndrewandTodd.com for all your mortgage needs.

00:31:42.000 Great guys, AndrewandTodd.com.

00:31:48.000 So, Jeremy, I want to ask you about Montana.

00:31:50.000 What is the chances that we can unseat John Tester?

00:31:56.000 What's that looking like?

00:31:57.000 I mean, he seems to kind of escape with a lot of luck, but now he's in a presidential year of which he has not survived one since 2012, where they had Mitt Romney.

00:32:09.000 I can't imagine that John Tester wants Donald Trump to be the nominee because he gets all those people coming out of the rivers and the valleys and they come out of Flathead Lake and they come out of billings.

00:32:20.000 Can we beat John Tester sitting Democrat in Montana?

00:32:24.000 I think we will.

00:32:25.000 I'm actually quite optimistic and based on many things, including if you just look at who's been moving to the state in the last few years.

00:32:33.000 And I've tracked this pretty closely.

00:32:35.000 And I go to church with Senator Daines, who's running the NRSC, and I can tell you he is certainly not being complacent about that in terms of finding a candidate or being serious.

00:32:45.000 And we've got a few potential good ones out there.

00:32:48.000 But I just think, you know, Trump took 57, 157 to 40 here in the last election cycle.

00:32:55.000 This is clearly a red state.

00:32:56.000 It's trending red.

00:32:57.000 We've got supermajorities in the legislature.

00:33:00.000 Split tickets are increasingly a thing in the past.

00:33:02.000 I just don't think that John Tester is going to be able to pull off enough split ticket votes to beat a credible challenger.

00:33:12.000 And I think we will have a credible challenger, regardless of who that is.

00:33:15.000 And so I'm actually, certainly we don't want to be complacent, but I'm actually quite optimistic.

00:33:21.000 Yes.

00:33:21.000 So, I mean, John Tester always pretends to be somebody he's not.

00:33:24.000 And I'm glad to hear that optimism.

00:33:27.000 So, Jeremy, some other stories I want to cover with you, some of the things that are happening.

00:33:31.000 So, we obviously had Juneteenth yesterday.

00:33:34.000 What is the update on Zoe Zephyr, that neurotic freak that was in the state legislature?

00:33:42.000 What is the update there?

00:33:44.000 Well, Zoe's been going on the View and everywhere else.

00:33:51.000 So, he's been doing the kind of tour.

00:33:54.000 Our legislature is only part-time, so he's sort of out of the headlines for right now, but he'll be back in there a little bit more and is kind of trying to be a national figure.

00:34:05.000 I saw he was down in Florida going after DeSantis a little bit.

00:34:08.000 I, by the way, as I think you know, I did kind of this big expose on Zephyr that got a lot of attention both in the state and nationally.

00:34:16.000 And the amount of, you know, I'm sad to say that we don't have as many freaks in Montana as we do in other parts of the country, but they are just as awful.

00:34:24.000 And the amount of kind of personal harassment, professional harassment that I've gotten as a result of doing what was really just a piece of investigative journalism that the Montana media should have been doing is unbelievable and kind of continues to go on.

00:34:41.000 And so that's been sort of sobering.

00:34:43.000 You kind of realize when you step into the arena, as you well know, Charlie, you really have to take a lot of hits.

00:34:49.000 But I think the good news is that Zoe Zephyr does not represent ultimately at the end of the day, the views of the people of Montana.

00:34:56.000 And I think the more visibility Zoe Zephyr has, the more the average Montanan is just going to look and say, you know, this is just not what we're about.

00:35:04.000 You can say that again.

00:35:04.000 Jeremy, thanks so much for your time today.

00:35:06.000 Really appreciate it.

00:35:07.000 Thanks so much.

00:35:08.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

00:35:09.000 Wonderful being on.

00:35:11.000 Thank you.

00:35:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:13.000 Email us for Fox as always freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:35:16.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

00:35:21.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 21, 2023

The Humiliation of Dr. Hotez with Dr. Robert Malone and Jeremy Carl

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