Is the U.S. going to strike Iran? President Trump says he doesn't know yet. Iran will not get a nuclear bomb. President Trump has been consistent for over a decade that Iran should not get nuclear weapons. However, if you watch carefully and closely, Iran has shifted their focus from Iran not having nuclear weapons to Iran having an over-the-top nuclear weapon.
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00:03:04.000So we were told all along by U.S. lawmakers that we need to take out the Iranian nuclear program, and you can make a good argument for that.
00:03:12.000You can make an argument that Israel has wanted to do that for quite some time.
00:03:15.000It's becoming more and more clear to the surface that Israel will not be able to finish the fight unless American B-52 bunker-busting bombs will get involved.
00:03:25.000Okay, you can hold that position, and you can hope for the best.
00:03:29.000You can hope that there is a strike, and we get in and we get out, For 30,000, 40,000 pound bomb, 30,000 pound bomb, and it works perfectly, and hopefully no U.S. troops die in response.
00:03:54.000President Trump has said that for 10 years.
00:03:56.000However, if you watch carefully and closely They've shifted gears from Iran should not have a nuclear weapon to Iran should not have an Ayatollah.
00:04:14.000And they've tried to ever so suddenly shift the Overton window as if we weren't paying attention.
00:06:50.000The best case scenario is like probably 5,000 U.S. troops and $100 billion.
00:06:59.000The probably most probable scenario is a bloody civil war that results in a couple hundred thousand people dead, all these different ethnic groups fighting.
00:07:08.000Iran is a country of 92 million people.
00:09:58.000and that kind of arrogance and that kind of pride is exactly why we got into the quagmire of Iraq and Afghanistan and why Libya is still in a civil war and why 600 No, you don't know, actually.
00:10:35.000It is indefensible after everything we've seen the last 25 years to start beating the drums for regime change at yet another Middle Eastern country.
00:10:44.000This one being the biggest of all we have dared to get involved in.
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00:13:00.000Zero people and we have mass deportations.
00:13:02.000That was one of the greatest legislative derailments in modern history.
00:13:06.000It was one of the greatest mobilizations of you in this audience that got on their phones, got emailing, got in the grassroots, and boom, killed it.
00:13:31.000So James Lankford, after he tried to throw the 2024 election and derail President Trump's border agenda, he is back.
00:13:41.000Not calling for the welfare of the people of Oklahoma, saying that Oklahoma has a fentanyl problem or that we need to improve schools or that we need to try to have lower taxes or less regulation.
00:14:11.000But we have American priorities and American money and American funding, and when you are an American U.S. senator, your calculus should be completely different.
00:14:33.000Do you think the United States should assassinate the supreme leader if they can?
00:14:38.000The assassination of any individual, any foreign dignitary or leader on this.
00:14:41.000But we most certainly need to have regime change in Iran.
00:14:45.000This is the same regime that's threatened America and Americans.
00:14:48.000This is the same regime that oppresses their own people, that they use the money that they get from oil, money to be able to put towards terrorism, to be able to kill us and our allies.
00:14:57.000They chant death to America in the streets.
00:14:59.000We definitely need a new regime there.
00:15:01.000I mean, it's really hard for me to put into words how insane this person is, how reckless and irresponsible it is.
00:15:09.000It's hard to even grasp how a U.S. senator says, oh yeah, we need to assassinate the leader.
00:15:15.000Oh really, James Lankford, I would like you to go on a CODEL and tell me how Libya is going.
00:16:03.000No one here on this program likes Vladimir Putin.
00:16:05.000We also think that you must be delusional and insane and unspeakably reckless to say we should get rid of Vladimir Putin.
00:16:13.000The guy that controls the most time zones and the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet probably has that country under control and we shouldn't just take him out for no good reason.
00:16:24.000Oh yeah, just take him out because he's bad.
00:16:26.000While we're at it, let's just assassinate Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin and the Ayatollah.
00:16:33.000Oh, you know, well, they've chanted death to America.
00:16:40.000Again, regime change is an outgrowth of a prideful, cloistered, sheltered view, acting as if you know certainly what is going to come next.
00:16:53.000Again, it's a country of 92 million people.
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00:18:37.000Alex, it's one thing to say that you want limited, precise, and direct strikes against the Iranian nuclear program.
00:18:44.000It is an entirely different category leap to all of a sudden say that you want America to get involved in the assassination of the Ayatollah and the forcible takedown of regime.
00:18:59.000Charlie, it's so exasperating for anyone who doesn't want President Trump to be entirely isolationist, just for the sake of variety, which is where I find myself.
00:19:09.000I don't think we should be telling the entire world we're not going to do anything, that we're going to be entirely predictable, that we're just going to stay out of everything internationally.
00:19:18.000I don't think that puts America in the strongest position.
00:19:20.000And then to watch some of these guys, Senator Lankford, Senator Graham, start talking about regime change.
00:19:26.000We're not talking about regime change.
00:19:28.000We are talking about a decade and a half of Donald Trump keeping his promises.
00:19:31.000He tweeted in 2011, Charlie, Iran's quest for nuclear weapons is a major threat to our nation's national security.
00:19:44.000I know you've been having that debate.
00:19:45.000You've been doing an amazing job navigating that.
00:20:00.000Yeah, and just so, I want to make sure everyone understands just a quick Middle East history over the last 20 years.
00:20:08.000I mean, just so that we're keeping score, the pushback that we put on social media, and Alex, I was very aggressive against regime change yesterday.
00:20:16.000By the way, if you want to take off the Iranian nuclear program with American missiles and American fighter jets, I can hear that argument, actually.
00:21:23.000Yeah, this is the whole point, Troy, that you've been trying to navigate this from a really intelligent and important perspective.
00:21:29.000There are a couple of things that are no-fly zones, figuratively speaking, on either side.
00:21:33.000One thing that is not good is that Donald Trump has given his word that the Iranians cannot continue to try to enrich beyond the civilian level, and they continue to do so by every reportable measure.
00:22:08.000But on the extreme perspective, on the other side, they're seeing, in the Republican establishment, the exact people that the MAGA movement displaced, the types of people that I worked hard against over 10 years ago with Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller and all these people, Andrew Breitbart,
00:22:23.000at the ground floor of this overthrow of the Republican establishment, talking about the exact type of stuff that we oppose, which was regime change in the Middle East, having no idea what was going to happen next, other than that Americans were going to spend a lot of blood and treasure, and America's defense sector was going to be rich.
00:22:42.000And I think it cheapens the good work that President Trump is trying to do in the region.
00:22:46.000Yes, and so the base is now declaratively saying no regime change, no regime change.
00:22:53.000Now, this is what Nikki Haley said, quote, the U.S. should not engage in regime change in Iran.
00:22:58.000Our focus should only be on our national security.
00:23:01.000The Iranian regime has threatened the U.S. with nuclear production for years.
00:23:05.000We should support Israel in eliminating not not taunts and fordose sites to prevent the threat of atomic bomb against the U.S. The Iranian people should decide who they want.
00:23:26.000I think that we need to also differentiate for everyone keeping score online where they say, oh my goodness, Donald Trump started a new war.
00:23:34.000It is very conceivable that if he bombs those two cities, that is not a new war.
00:23:38.000Now, Iran could retaliate and then what happens after that, but I trust President Trump 100% in this moment.
00:23:55.000Thank God, literally thank God that he's the one in charge because he's the only one who's going to be able to, I think, balance all the various factions here.
00:24:02.000And it's an incredibly nuanced debate.
00:24:03.000And I don't think anyone on either side should be talking to us in childish ways because this is not an easy one.
00:24:10.000This is one where there are many different gradations of what the appropriate response could be.
00:24:14.000And I'm up for hearing that debate out, which some people are trying to have.
00:24:19.000Iran has believed in death to America.
00:24:26.000I think the people of Iran deserve better than the current regime.
00:24:32.000That said, when America has tried to do regime change in recent years in the Middle East, all it has done is enriched America's defense sector and destabilized the region and not done anything to help.
00:24:41.000That is a huge – So now we're talking about regime chains off the table.
00:24:50.000So what are the nuances of what we can do in between?
00:24:54.000Of course, standing up to Iran if they're taking proactive attacks on America or allies in the region is something where we're going to provide defense capabilities.
00:25:04.000Perhaps we could do something to take out, for example, that Fordow nuclear facility, which should not be operational.
00:25:10.000Everyone agrees it should not be operational.
00:25:12.000And it is only operational because we have not chosen to destroy it.
00:25:15.000I want to hear that debate And I don't know.
00:25:18.000I'm not saying we need to do anything right now, Charlie, but what I am saying is let's not take that off the table.
00:25:22.000Let's not broadcast to the bad guys that we're willing to let them get away with anything.
00:25:26.000But overall, I feel like people are starting to find an equilibrium.
00:25:29.000The J.D. Vance tweet yesterday was perfect.
00:25:31.000That was almost my exact position on the issue.
00:25:33.000I'm sure you've covered it on the show to this point.
00:25:35.000But it feels like sanity is winning out at this time.
00:25:38.000But we have to be very vigilant on this because there's a lot of deeply interested parties on all sides here who are trying to prove some sort of a longstanding beef and trying to settle it their way.
00:25:53.000What do you make of the politics of this?
00:25:56.000There certainly is a lot of chatter online.
00:25:58.000It's superficially dividing some people into their corners.
00:26:01.000But I think if President Trump navigates this with prudence, I don't think this is a permanent fracture.
00:26:07.000I think all of this can be remedied and healed, especially if we don't have U.S. troops on the ground and we don't get into a prolonged conflict.
00:26:15.000I think it's very conceivable that by July 4th, people are saying, what, Iran?
00:26:32.000But other than that, it does feel like we're starting as a movement.
00:26:36.000For the most part, to understand that so long as American boots aren't on the ground, then this is one where even if you don't get exactly what you want, you, the person in the MAGA base, that we can have faith in President Trump, that he can not only act judiciously and act with prudence here, but then also reassemble his coalition by the time we ever go to vote again.
00:26:58.000So I'll tell you one other thing that's interesting here, Charlie, is that we're debating the big, beautiful bill here.
00:27:03.000And as some of these guys, you know, Rand Paul, um, I'm hoping the bill gets through.
00:27:15.000He was saying that Lindsey Graham is using it as a vehicle to secretly explode the military budget.
00:27:19.000That's why these statements by Graham are so destructive.
00:27:22.000It could divide the coalition, potentially, if those guys get too big of a voice within this debate.
00:27:27.000But Trump is going to settle this, and I think we're going to end up in a good spot, and I do not believe that the movement is going to get too fractured.
00:27:33.000I think people are highly emotional online in some cases, trying to get their point across.
00:27:38.000But I'm optimistic even those people will eventually come back to the rest.
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00:30:10.000And so, Alex, I agree on the Israel-Iran news that President Trump can navigate this correctly.
00:30:17.000The neocons like Lindsey Graham and James Lankford must be dismissed.
00:30:22.000Let's just talk about American politics right now.
00:30:24.000Domestic, because I actually prefer to talk about the domestic over the foreign and the immediate over the distant.
00:30:31.000Charlie, I don't want to cut you, but this is what Steve and Tucker were talking about, about how some of the Israel stuff, it does make you think that someone's trying to distract us from domestic stuff, like that Trump's doing all the ice raids and all the stuff we're talking about.
00:31:20.000If Trump did nothing else other than play golf after the border numbers, he's still an A-plus president based off of this stat.
00:31:26.000And you were kind enough to have me on last week, and we talked about Los Angeles and how important the ICE raids are and how it's just such a culture shock in L.A. that is so overdue that we're doing these things because we had just normalized.
00:31:57.000But what he's done, and a lot of it, is with these high-profile raids, going after all sorts of different types of people in different ways.
00:32:07.000It is sent a signal to the rest of the world, to the cartels, to the people in the Northern Triangle countries, to anyone who might facilitate illegal aliens to cross into this country that America is closed.
00:32:59.000He's been called everything already, and we have seen the absolute rot that illegal immigration does to a society firsthand in L.A. and California.
00:33:07.000And we're not afraid to talk about it.
00:33:08.000We know all the issues backwards and front, him in particular.
00:33:50.000It's because they're not trying anymore, and that's the issue.
00:33:53.000And that's the main thing that we realize is that if we just discourage people, if we end the industry, if we're saying that you will not make money as a human smuggler, as a cartel member, for trying to get people in here because they're just going to get turned away, that's why Remain in Mexico is so popular.
00:34:06.000That's why cracking down on visa overstays is so important.