00:00:50.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:58.000All we have is this 154-page summary of cherry-picked testimony and narratives that they wanted to collect.
00:02:07.000And they're gradually dropping certain transcripts, but the full report still has not been issued.
00:02:13.000And this continues to be delayed, Charlie.
00:02:17.000And now it looks like they're also going to try to bury some of the more important witness transcripts that people are looking for, i.e., Ray Epps.
00:02:26.000Benny Thompson said that those would be released sometime after Christmas when they were supposed to be part of this report, which, as I said, still has not been released.
00:02:34.000Yeah, so what can we expect in this report?
00:02:41.000The political narrative that this committee, the regime, the Department of Justice, and the media has continued to perpetuate that somehow Donald Trump was solely responsible for the events of January 6th, that he incited this insurrection, which, as you know, Charlie, is one of the four criminal referrals made by this committee to the Department of Justice.
00:03:02.000Well, still not covering or answering the questions, Charlie, that most Americans want to know.
00:03:09.000Why was the Capitol so intentionally unprotected that day?
00:03:16.000Why didn't they release thousands of hours of security surveillance video that captured what happened inside and outside the building that day?
00:03:23.000We can just see for ourselves what happened.
00:03:26.000Where are the reports from Capitol Police, from Nancy Pelosi's office, from Mitch McConnell's office?
00:03:31.000Those are the three entities responsible for protecting the Capitol.
00:03:35.000Furthermore, what about documents from DC Mayor Muriel Bowser and her Metropolitan Police Department?
00:03:44.000Those issues haven't even been touched on.
00:03:47.000I did a quick search of the executive summary that was released the other day.
00:03:51.000Here's a name that isn't even mentioned, FBI Director Christopher Wray.
00:03:55.000I don't even know if this committee interviewed him.
00:03:58.000So the question that have a lot of people, you know, the question that a lot of people are asking is, okay, so these are criminal referrals.
00:04:07.000So then the Department of Justice will take them up against Trump.
00:04:10.000Does that go now to the special prosecutor, Jack Smith, or is that a separate division?
00:04:22.000They brought in several of his attorneys.
00:04:24.000They brought in Mark Short, Mike Pence's chief of staff.
00:04:28.000They're already investigating Donald Trump.
00:04:31.000So I believe that these referrals will go to the imaginary special counsel, Jack Smith, who, by the way, isn't even in the country, Charlie.
00:04:40.000He's still recovering from knee surgery in the Netherlands.
00:04:45.000But what they did here, Charlie, with the special counsel, they appointed a guy who's not even in the country to give the ruse, to give the head fake that now the DOJ has this independent office, special counsel office, looking into everything related to January 6th.
00:05:04.000But Charlie, all they're doing, they're moving the same investigators, the same prosecutors who've been working on this case for nearly two years.
00:05:11.000They're just moving them from Maine Justice from the DC U.S. Attorney's Office into the special counsel office.
00:05:20.000Does anyone think that Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco, a longtime Obama loyalist, a Russia gate collusion architect who's been trying to get Donald Trump in handcuffs for the better part of seven years is really going to step away from this?
00:05:35.000This is another deception by this Justice Department.
00:05:38.000And so, you know, you're going to have, as I said, the same individuals, the same DOJ looking now at these criminal referrals, just as they've been looking at other criminal, alleged criminal aspects of January 6th.
00:05:52.000You mentioned it earlier, but I think it's important to repeat.
00:05:54.000We haven't covered it very much on the show.
00:05:56.000What are specifically the criminal referrals as it pertains to President Trump?
00:06:03.000One is insurrection, conspiracy to incite insurrection.
00:06:08.000One is basically giving false statements, perjury.
00:06:12.000And then the other two are felonies, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and obstruction of an official proceeding.
00:06:20.000Now, these last two charges, Charlie, I've written for months that I believe those are the two counts that a grand jury will indict Donald Trump on.
00:06:30.000I was a little surprised by the insurrection count.
00:06:57.000And maybe they will detail, they'll flush this out a little bit more in the report.
00:07:02.000But you'll recall that Liz Cheney suggested numerous occasions that Donald Trump was trying to force other people to lie under oath or withhold some sort of evidence.
00:07:14.000So I'm not really sure where that charge will go either.
00:07:17.000What I really think, Charlie, this is a little bit of safe face for the committee, right?
00:07:21.000They want to look like their 18-month investigation really produced legitimate criminal charges when they already know that DOJ has been working on this.
00:07:29.000They've been working hand in hand, let's admit it.
00:07:31.000But they've been working on this criminal investigation for months anyway.
00:07:35.000What I think they added, the insurrection and maybe even the perjury charge, is so DOJ will come back, pretend that they carefully looked at all four criminal referrals, eventually indict on the two, conspiracy and obstruction, and probably drop one or two of the others, the insurrection and perjury.
00:07:51.000So it looks like they were really carefully deliberating.
00:07:53.000Yeah, that's really Machiavellian and I totally believable.
00:07:58.000So the final question I guess I have, because this thing is such a show and it's such a disgrace.
00:08:05.000Ray Epps, is his testimony been made public?
00:08:22.000Or will they say, which I think they're going to do with some of the key interviews, they're going to hand this over to Jack Smith and the DOJ and say, well, this is evidence that they need.
00:08:39.000So we haven't seen anything from Ray Epps.
00:08:42.000And as Tucker noted, I believe last night, there was no criminal referral against Ray Epps.
00:08:48.000He remains uncharged nearly two years later, despite the fact being seen on video numerous occasions directing people to go to the Capitol, to go inside of the Capitol.
00:08:58.000He was on Capitol grounds, which were restricted, which many January 6th protesters face that charge, even though they didn't go inside like he did not.
00:09:08.000So we're still waiting for the case of the curious, Mr. Apps.
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00:13:54.000Are you aware that Supervisor Gates came out on Election Day and said 20% of all vote centers were affected by these issues, with ballots being rejected by the tabulators?
00:14:07.000Again, we didn't have ballots rejected by tabulators.
00:14:10.000They were not being read in by tabulators, but that's not a disruption when voters still had valid options to participate in dropping in those ballots in our secure door number three.
00:14:52.000Because there are some estimates that show that 58% of all voting centers were inoperable and went down.
00:14:59.000Cut 75, Rich Barris testifies that those who said they would cast their vote by mail or drop their ballot off completed a questionnaire at a rate of 93%, play cut 75.
00:15:11.000The bottom line here is that those who said they would cast their vote by mail or drop their ballot off by mail completed their questionnaire at a 93% rate.
00:15:21.000There are always going to be people who tell you that they're going to participate in your poll, but then don't, especially in exit polls.
00:15:27.000The rate for election day voters was only 72%.
00:15:32.000So that doesn't, I can tell you that has never happened to me before, ever.
00:15:38.000It's significant because, you know, looking at, we can go through it a lot more in depth, but looking at all the totality of it, there's no explanation for why these voters simply did not come back.
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00:19:02.000No matter what you think of Kevin McCarthy, he put together a campaign apparatus that added Republican seats, 23 of them over the last two cycles, 14 and 9.
00:19:11.000And he did it through tireless campaigning himself, through excellent candidate selection on the whole.
00:19:17.000And then most of all, through very aggressive fundraising.
00:19:19.000You know, Republicans, particularly at the Senate level, were massively out-fundraised.
00:19:23.000That didn't happen at the House level.
00:19:25.000As a matter of fact, Kevin McCarthy and his leadership pack massively out-fundraised Nancy Pelosi.
00:19:30.000So we had the firepower necessary to win.
00:19:33.000So that's really my first reason simply is that he won and to the winners go the prizes.
00:19:37.000And he earned that podium, that gavel with his victory.
00:19:41.000The second part, which is more important to me, and I suspect to most of your audience, is that he is moving to the right.
00:19:46.000He's somebody who has ideologically not been with us in the past, or at least not consistently so.
00:19:50.000But he's laying out a very America-first agenda.
00:19:54.000For example, and this is what I spoke with him about in private, but he's been very public about this as well.
00:19:59.000I said, will you prioritize the border?
00:20:01.000Will you make securing the border the number one priority of the Republican House?
00:20:05.000And will you use every single lever at your disposal, including defunding the government entirely of Biden's programs if necessary, risking Biden shutting the government down?
00:20:14.000Will you do that to secure the border?
00:20:17.000He also looked me in the eye and said, Yes, that will be priority number one.
00:20:20.000Other America First type items, he's going to take charlatans like Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell off of committees, Ilhan Olmar off of the Foreign Affairs Committee.
00:20:29.000He's going to put Marjorie Taylor Greene back on committees, and he promises and lays out a very methodical and aggressive approach toward congressional committee investigations.
00:20:38.000And then the third reason that I believe we should support him is I don't right now see a credible alternative, at least not politically or ideologically to the right of Kevin McCarthy.
00:20:50.000And to me, Charlie, the idea that they would convene on January 3rd, not pick a speaker and engage in days and weeks and perhaps even months of a Republican food fight in front of the nation when the nation just handed the Republican House this mandate of leadership to start to thwart and to start to fight back against the horrible Biden agenda.
00:21:10.000I think that would be the worst possible use of the mandate that has been given by the people.
00:21:15.000I think it would make Republicans in the America First movement look foolish in front of the American people.
00:21:19.000So the urgency of the moment convinces me that we need to coalesce.
00:21:23.000There's not a credible alternative to the right, and that we need to vote for Kevin McCarthy, somebody I've been super skeptical of for a very long time, who I now believe deserves our support with accountability, of course.
00:21:34.000I mean, that's the other key part here.
00:21:35.000If he does not do what he's promised, if this is just about expediency, and if he's just fooling people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and President Trump and Steve Cortez and I think Charlie Kirk, if he's fooling us, well, shame on us, number one, for being fooled, but number two, we will absolutely hold his feet to the fire for this agenda.
00:21:51.000So, Steve, can you walk us through what we are headed towards on one three?
00:22:51.000It's a matter of disagreeing on the tactics on how to get there.
00:22:54.000And he makes very valid, reasonable points, okay?
00:22:57.000We both just have a different opinion on this, and we'll see eventually who's right.
00:23:01.000Here's my biggest problem, though, with the Gates agenda.
00:23:04.000If we were to not have a speaker, and I think he thinks it's okay for us to go to the cherry blossoms till springtime in Washington, D.C. without a speaker, literally nothing happens.
00:23:13.000When I say there's no house, I'm not exaggerating.
00:24:13.000It's not the team that we want to put in the game, it's the team that we have on the floor right now.
00:24:17.000And there are dozens of Republicans who are very moderate, if not center-left in their orientation.
00:24:24.000Now, they are willing to accept Kevin McCarthy and willing to accept his very conservative agenda that he's laying out for now.
00:24:31.000But if Kevin McCarthy suddenly isn't a candidate who can win, the reality is we may end up with somebody well to the left of Kevin McCarthy.
00:25:29.000So if there is no need for a Congress because of the omnibus, this could be a way for the Unit Party to try to say, hey, so what if you don't have a speaker?
00:25:58.000And again, the urgency of the situation.
00:26:00.000If this were sort of normal times, Charlie, I might be more apt to say, okay, let's have this food fight essentially in front of the American people because we can spend the time, right?
00:26:10.000There's nothing urgent that needs to be done in January.
00:26:12.000It can be done, you know, in April or May.
00:26:14.000That's not the position we're in, right?
00:26:16.000Because of what Joe Biden has done to this country, because of the created crises, plural, right?
00:26:20.000Particularly the economic crisis, the economic stagnation that we are in, stagflation that we're in because of Joe Biden, but then also the border situation, which again, and that's why to me, there's many important issues, but to me, that is issue number one.
00:26:34.000If the border continues to spiral out of control, the manner in which it is unfolding today, we will cease to have an America.
00:26:42.000We will cease to have anything like the republic that we were born in, that our parents grew up in.
00:26:48.000That's the urgency of the moment right now.
00:26:50.000And given that urgency, again, we need the lever of power that we're going to have in Washington, D.C. is the House, because we earned it, quite frankly, because the American people voted by a significant margin, even in the popular vote, which is a rarity in America, voted by a significant margin to give that mandate of power to the Republican Party, to give that speaker's gavel to a Republican.
00:27:12.000I think it would be an absolute shame.
00:27:15.000It would be a tragedy if we don't grab that gavel and take it and use it effectively to begin to fight back against Biden.
00:27:22.000I just think intra-party squabbling for weeks and potentially months would do enormous damage to the country and it would do enormous long-term damage to the Republican Party and to the America First Movement.
00:27:34.000The piece that Steve Cortez has published is the conservative case for Kevin McCarthy.
00:28:22.000I don't think it's a realistic possibility, but I happen to notice because it's linked in my Newsweek article, there's also an op-ed in Newsweek from Newt Gingrich arguing in favor of Kevin McCarthy.
00:28:34.000So just for the record, and listen, by the way, I know there's a lot of people out there frustrated and angry at me right now, people who support me, people who are political allies of mine are disappointed, particularly because they know how critical I have been, you know, really kind of fiercely so about Kevin McCarthy in the past.
00:28:50.000But I'm trying to explain, and I look, I could be wrong, okay, but I'm trying to explain that from a place of principle, I believe that this is where we reach our objectives is via electing Kevin McCarthy.
00:29:02.000But to answer your question about vacate the chair, so it's a matter of in terms of if the speaker were to, if there were a movement to overturn the speaker.
00:29:08.000So if Kevin McCarthy or anybody else were elected as speaker, it is difficult to get a vote to the floor or a vote even to even to committees, but much less to the floor without the agreement of the speaker.
00:29:19.000It's one of the reasons the speaker of the house is so powerful, very unlike the Senate, where every senator has a lot of individual power, not that way at all in the House.
00:29:28.000So the motion to vacate is about saying essentially that they are stipulated that the chair is vacated and that we need to vote on it, that there is no speaker.
00:29:39.000And the disagreement right now is over what should be that threshold.
00:29:42.000What some of the critics of McCarthy want, what Matt Gates is arguing for, is that it should just take one single member out of the 435 in the House to be able to say motion to vacate and that they can do that with no other support rather than a single person.
00:29:55.000And what Kevin McCarthy, I think, reasonably says is, I'm okay with having that method in place, but let's have the threshold be higher than one.
00:30:02.000And I said, well, how high do you need?
00:30:04.000And look, parliamentary tactics are not my bailiwick, okay?
00:30:11.000So just so that there is a group of people who have a significant problem with the speaker.
00:30:14.000And what Kevin McCarthy said to me was, for example, I don't want Eric Swalbo because he's so angry that I kicked him off the intelligence committee to stand up every single day and waste our time by putting one of these motions forward.
00:30:27.000He's not saying it can't exist at all.
00:30:29.000He's saying it should be a single member.
00:30:30.000There will be some flex in the joints.
00:30:32.000So Nancy Pelosi got rid of it altogether.
00:30:34.000If it's, hey, if 10 members come together and say we want to vacate the chair, I suppose the only counter argument is, I mean, 10 Democrats could easily come together, but so what?
00:30:46.000At that point, it would make it harder because then you have to call the order.
00:30:53.000So you think that there might be a negotiation around that?
00:30:56.000Because I personally believe there does need to be some mechanism to vacate the chair.
00:31:01.000I don't think that Pelosi's rules are a good idea at all.
00:31:50.000And by the way, just for the record, that's been President Trump's opinion the whole time.
00:31:54.000If you've noticed, President Trump has been extremely publicly critical of McConnell.
00:31:58.000He's occasionally a bit critical of Kevin McCarthy, but not really.
00:32:01.000And as a matter of fact, I have urged him over the last several years to speak the same way about McCarthy he does about McConnell.
00:32:08.000He always made the case to me, which I am now agreeing with, that he is fundamentally different, meaning that, look, we may not view Kevin McCarthy as intrinsically sort of hardcore America first, and he's not.
00:32:21.000However, he doesn't fight against our agenda, and he is very persuadable on many elements of our agenda.
00:32:27.000Whereas Mitch McConnell is a committed establishmentarian.