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00:01:53.000The work that you're doing is making such a serious and critical difference, and we've been doing this for 12 years, and seeing How the culture has changed on these campuses of how students are more comfortable, how they're more confident.
00:02:06.000That's the work that you're all doing.
00:02:07.000So, okay, so essentially, I'm sure they've walked.
00:02:10.000I'm positive that Andrew and Nick have walked through and Chris that each week has a different theme, right?
00:02:16.000So, it's my job to try to just kind of give you a little bit of talking points here, and you guys can ask potentially critical or difficult questions that you think you might get on campus or questions you have about these topics, because part of your job is to be able to present ideas on these campuses that are not always being heard, And then helping equip some of your students to be able to confidently speak about these issues and these topics when it's not always very comfortable or easy.
00:02:50.000So we pick these topics and these weeks with a lot of intentionality.
00:03:52.000Hands that aren't up, I'm sure you live in an unfriendly gun state.
00:03:56.000So look, why is it necessary for citizens to be able to own weapons?
00:04:00.000The government should not have a monopoly on force.
00:04:03.000When the government has a monopoly on force, they have a monopoly on speech, and therefore they are able to prevent you from being a sovereign and free citizen.
00:04:10.000So there's two ways to talk about the Second Amendment topic.
00:04:13.000The one is kind of the normie, very simple, agreeable way.
00:04:17.000And then there is the spicier one, which is the real reason we have the Second Amendment, which is a harder, harder way to argue it.
00:04:24.000And it's a lot, it's, you're dealing with a lot of potential pitfalls.
00:04:29.000Just remember, anytime you're talking about these things on campus, you could be, you could be filmed, you could be, and they could try to publicize Turning Point USA staffer.
00:04:38.000Not to put pressure on you guys, but You know, just try to either A, know your stuff, or B, if you're not comfortable, you know, just tell a liberal troll to, you know, keep on walking along, right?
00:04:49.000So the first way to think about gun ownership is the easy and the one that most Americans think we have it, which is for self-defense.
00:04:56.000That is partially why we are able to own guns, is to protect yourself from criminals, from people that want to hurt your family.
00:05:03.000I think this is fundamentally, should be championed by every woman in the country, and every, well, again, there's no people identifying as women, that's all fake, right?
00:05:13.000Actual biological women, it is the great equalizer.
00:05:17.000For young ladies that might feel uncomfortable at night going to their car, or if somebody wants to harm them, having a 9mm is a good way to equalize any sort of situation, right?
00:05:29.000Self-defense actually was not considered to be a right until there was a Supreme Court case.
00:06:36.000And for some people, they don't like hearing that.
00:06:38.000They say, oh, what do you think that our government is going to become super tyrannical?
00:06:42.000And again, we lived through one of the most insane periods in American history, three, four years ago, where they were firing people for not taking an mRNA gene-altering thing called a vaccine, where they were kicking people out of the military for that.
00:06:54.000They're wishing us dead if you didn't take the shot.
00:06:56.000I mean, we saw what a tyrannical government could become.
00:06:59.000And imagine how even further tyrannical that would be if we, the citizens, did not have guns.
00:07:05.000Said differently, the Second Amendment protects all the other amendments of the U.S.
00:07:26.000Europe, they say, oh, Europe is very free.
00:07:27.000Europe does not have free speech protections at all.
00:07:30.000One of the reasons we're able to have some of the, again, the First Amendment is fading in this country very quickly, but is because the government is a little bit afraid, like, oh wow, 120 million people own guns.
00:07:43.000Now, I hope we'll never actually have to ever use those guns in that series, in that way, but look at the 20th century.
00:07:49.000From Germany, to Russia, to Italy, you know, Vietnam, Cambodia, and we're flirting with that line here.
00:07:55.000And, in fact, I would argue that the fact that we do own firearms, and that the American people do, it's actually the greatest way to prevent a potential conflict with the government from ever actually occurring.
00:08:09.000Do you remember the Hong Kong freedom protesters a couple years ago?
00:08:18.000You had all these beautiful people in Hong Kong that were out there with, you know, American flags and they were chanting and they were protesting and everyone's a tough guy until a tank rolls up.
00:08:27.000Now imagine if the Hong Kong freedom protesters all had an AR-15 around their back.
00:08:35.000China would have been like, well, I don't know, they got 180,000 people with an AR-15.
00:08:38.000I don't know if we want to go through with this.
00:08:40.000And so think about that played out in, you know, American context and American time.
00:08:45.000So that is a harder argument to make, is that the Second Amendment, as intended by the Founding Fathers, was to protect our God-given rights.
00:08:54.000Any questions, feedback, or difficulty with this topic?
00:08:58.000Do you think your AR-15 is going to be able to go against nukes in a tank?
00:09:00.000And my response to that is, you know, I think that it's there to have a well-regulated militia.
00:09:04.000We can't have a militia unless we have the same Um, limitations as the government, so personally I think I should be able to have a fireable tank, but clearly we can't, so why?
00:09:15.000Yes, so reason, again, so I'm more in your category, but yes, so the whole idea, first, that an AR-15 is insignificant against a military, just look at first and foremost, so many military inventions, the Ukraine-Russian one's not a terrible one actually, where you have a lot of under-equipped Ukrainians, again I'm not Overly sympathetic to their cause, but that's a separate issue.
00:09:39.000But you have a bunch of Ukrainians that are, you know, unequipped, and they have AR-15s, some have hunting rifles, and they're still a huge nuisance to the Russian military.
00:09:49.000The point is that some form of force, some form of ability to protect yourself in a theater of war is very important.
00:09:55.000But secondly, okay, you're right, we should not allow every American to own a thermonuclear weapon.
00:10:01.000If the government's going to deploy thermonuclear weapons, like, that's, sorry, okay, you got me, okay?
00:10:09.000However, I don't think anyone's arguing for the government to have a monopoly on drones either, like, so, as far as, like, military advanced drones, but...
00:10:17.000I think there is something to be said that the government should not be only to own some of this equipment, but I think reasonable restrictions people can agree or disagree upon.
00:10:24.000But that's not even where the conversation is occurring right now.
00:10:26.000Kamala Harris, who's, again, we're not, this organization is just talking about this educationally, but her stated public policy position is gun registration and gun confiscation.
00:10:37.000Which, again, I want just everyone to understand, in a time of rising crime, in a time of more people that are being victims, why would we want to take the guns away from the people that are doing everything right?
00:10:47.000It's just kind of a little perplexing.
00:10:48.000And finally, I'll go back to the Chinese example.
00:10:50.000That was not a matter of nukes or drones.
00:10:53.000In a very simple situation, it was that you had a disarmed population against an armed population.
00:10:58.000And don't underestimate the potential power and potency of a hundred million Americans that only own AR-15s.
00:11:07.000Against a over-equipped government that might want to terrorize them.
00:11:13.000So, I have a bit of a specific question.
00:11:15.000My territory is in Pennsylvania, so obviously where the Trump rally happened.
00:11:19.000So, I'm anticipating some people to ask me on campus, like, why should we be allowed to have assault rifles that Assassin was able to have one?
00:11:27.000So, I just would love to hear your advice on how to kind of combat that this upcoming semester.
00:11:58.000So an assault rifle is a completely, again, if you ask anyone that knows even an elementary understanding of firearms, if you go to a gun store, like, I want to buy an assault rifle, they'd say, what the hell are you talking about?
00:12:26.000Let's go through actually how he got the weapon, okay?
00:12:28.000This was his father's weapon that was not properly protected or observed.
00:12:33.000So this is actually a parenting breakdown, more it is than a Second Amendment breakdown.
00:12:37.000But then you must also have the courage and you must be principled enough to make even more difficult argument, which is we fully acknowledge and admit that in a free society it comes with costs.
00:12:48.000And we, as Americans, have largely wanted to have a society that valued liberty over safety and comfort.
00:13:01.000Now, if we wanted to save lives, because that's the most important thing, we outlaw all driving.
00:13:06.000We would save 55,000 lives a year, because 55,000 people die on the road.
00:13:10.000You probably all know someone in your community that has died from... But we say, no, the benefit of driving is worth the potential downside of driving.
00:13:18.000But secondly, from that situation, it has nothing to do with the particular weapon that he had, which they're trying to spin that into it.
00:13:25.000It was a failure of the Secret Service protection or detail.
00:13:28.000And understand, there was a police officer who went up the ladder and saw him, was like, oh yeah, nice having a nice day, and then went back down.
00:13:34.000So, let's pretend that situation, here's the other final argument.
00:13:38.000The people that bring it up, you say, hypothetically, let's pretend that situation did not happen.
00:13:42.000Would you still be in favor of taking people's ARs away?
00:13:45.000And they'd say, of course, so that has nothing to do with that situation.
00:13:47.000You're using that as a piece of evidence to try and further your already deeply held belief and agenda of taking people's ability to own firearms away.
00:14:36.000And both chambers are controlled by Democrats, so they passed a bunch of gun control legislation, thinking that, hey, this is going to work.
00:14:43.000So in the case where we're trying to educate students, especially on high school campuses, about Second Amendment rights, When there's a situation where a student can be like, well, what about all these other gun control legislations that just got passed?
00:14:55.000Like, these are reasonable gun control.
00:14:58.000Why are you against reasonable, like, gun control?
00:15:10.000So, okay, this is the best way to first think about this.
00:15:13.000If I am a terrible school shooter, and I'm given the option of one school that has no guards and no police, or another school that has armed teachers, police, and a security guard, which school would I go to?
00:15:27.000More importantly, if you are sending your child to school, which school would you rather send your child to?
00:15:45.000When you board an airplane, go watch the Arizona Diamondbacks, or go and deposit some money at a bank, why is it that all three of those have armed security, and our children do not?
00:15:56.000Are our sports teams and our vacations and our money, are they more important than our children?
00:16:05.000We protect our money, tourism, sporting events, more so than we do our own children.
00:16:11.000And so you say, look, we understand there's a lot of guns in society.
00:16:14.000The best way to stop a gun is someone who knows how to have a gun to prevent it, right?
00:16:17.000You could end 99% of all school shootings if you had the same security that airports had, that schools have.
00:16:24.000Now, I'm not talking about, like, TSA lines and all that, but I think we would all agree that a child is much worthier protection than the other.
00:16:45.000Illinois is more murderous, bloodier than it ever has been, Despite very, very aggressive gun control.
00:16:51.000So they'll say, but you know the bad guys just go to Indiana to get guns.
00:16:54.000You're right, and the good guys don't.
00:16:56.000So let's take two cities, again I could talk about this topic all day long.
00:17:00.000If gun laws have no bearing on local crime, why is it that Houston, which also has gang violence, lots of drug trafficking, why does Houston have a significantly lower murder rate, despite an almost parallel population, than Chicago?
00:17:13.000What is the difference between Houston and Chicago?
00:17:15.000Look, a criminal is going to be a little bit less You know, with a little bit less gusto and zeal, if they know that millions of other people potentially might have a firearm meeting them around the corner.
00:17:25.000In Chicago, they know that nobody has a firearm waiting for them.
00:17:29.000Very simple, very rational and reasonable.
00:17:31.000And finally, I am a big believer in allowing teachers to own weapons.
00:17:34.000I know that this is something that, you know, blows people's mind, but let me just use one final example.
00:17:39.000You will not be able to go into a jewelry store here in Scottsdale without the owner himself with a firearm behind his back.
00:17:46.000Happened just the other day at a jewelry store.
00:17:49.000So again, the necklaces, the rings, and the jewels in Scottsdale are protected by guns and our kids are sitting ducks.
00:17:57.000So I could go through the reasonable, I'd have to look at the laws, but every one of their quote-unquote reasonable gun laws has something in common.
00:18:04.000Let's take more guns away from people who did nothing wrong to make it easier for people that do stuff wrong to hurt the people that did nothing wrong.
00:19:19.000So this is very complicated from a policy standpoint, but I think it's very simple and it's a way to try to liberate a lot of conversation on campus, which is that this is where I think you can make a lot of headway.
00:19:32.000And I think we have another free speech one in addition to this, don't we?
00:19:35.000This is just one of the free speech ones, is that right?
00:19:46.000And the question you should ask them, which is on social media, should free speech be prioritized above somebody's feelings or somebody's emotions?
00:19:54.000Now, as you guys know, I post on social all the time.
00:20:11.000Do you know I cannot post a video on immigration or transgenderism on TikTok without it being pulled immediately?
00:20:17.000Now, a lot of Gen Zers agree with that.
00:20:19.000They're like, oh yeah, people's feelings must matter more than, you know, people's free speech rights.
00:20:24.000More importantly though, and this is kind of going into this overarching totalitarian thing, which is that You need to make the argument that tyranny is not only within the government.
00:20:35.000Tyranny can also be found within corporations and within companies.
00:21:32.000If you type in to ChatGPT right now, tell me about the Trump assassination, they'll say, sorry, I can't answer that question.
00:21:39.000So, what you have is the entire mindset of a generation.
00:21:44.000And that's all private companies, right?
00:21:48.000Free if three or four companies, which are given government handouts in favor, so that's something we could probably do, is stop giving them carve-outs and start giving them favoritism, all this nonsense.
00:21:58.000And so, what I'd never want to live in a society is, again, let's pretend theoretically we have very, very small limited government, but we have four companies that control everything.
00:22:09.000That will almost never happen because big companies really suck off of, you know, and leech off of Big government, so there's usually a harmonic relationship, but we are supportive of small government because we want people to be free.
00:22:24.000In the 2020 election, I lost my Twitter account for 30 days alongside many other people because I said that the Hunter Biden laptop was real and not Russian disinformation, right?
00:22:35.000So here you have, and by the way, that was the government lobbying the tech companies, and the tech companies doing the bidding of the federal government, and we did not have a fair and free election because of that.
00:22:44.000That's a tough question, but if you could at least get a student to agree that it's creepy and weird that we have multi-trillion dollar companies that are manipulating their mindset, their viewpoint, I think that's probably a step in the right direction.
00:23:03.000Yeah, so just kind of generally about the big government thing, right?
00:23:06.000And again, I think that it's a little inconsistent on the first one, which is where some people say, I don't like big government, but I'm perfectly fine with big Google.
00:23:14.000So I think we have to be a little bit consistent as far as we don't like these overarching tyrannical power structures.
00:23:26.000Here's my own personal opinion as just kind of a side note.
00:23:29.000I believe that government grows when people lose the ability to police their own life and to be able to govern themselves.
00:23:35.000I believe that if you have a society that no longer believes in God, this is my own personal opinion, and no longer believes in almighty or higher power, they lose the ability to engage in self-government.
00:23:44.000And so self-government is a prerequisite to liberty, and if you do not have people that are able to understand the principle of self-government, you'll no longer be able to live in a free society.
00:23:53.000So, the federal government, how many articles of the Constitution are there?
00:24:13.000Article 3, that's right, by process of elimination, we're finally there, right?
00:24:16.000Now, what article deals with the FBI, Department of Justice, EPA, Department of Energy, FBI, Trick question, that's right.
00:24:26.000And that's really where we need to emphasize our focus, right?
00:24:29.000Is that the last 100 years we have created an unconstitutional, super-constitutional, A multi-trillion dollar beast, a leviathan, that is not within our original form and structure of government.
00:24:42.000It's called the administrative state, or the bureaucracy, or the deep state, whatever you want to call it, and there is no current check and balance.
00:24:48.000They write their own laws, they're unaccountable, they're unelected, and they're largely unknown to the American people.
00:24:54.000And they do whatever they want, regardless of the will of the American people.
00:25:00.000If we're actually serious about retaking this country, it needs to be with assailing and restricting the fourth branch of government.
00:25:22.000Yeah I think that provocatively you need to ask the question first and foremost which is that is it healthy that we have a standing army of secret police that arrests pro-life grandmas for praying peacefully outside of abortion clinics and raids the homes of pastors because you know for whatever I mean the FBI has become the secret police of the regime and not even doing what they're supposed to be doing There are hundreds of thousands of pedophiles that are not even touched or investigated by the government every single year that do whatever they want.
00:25:50.000And meanwhile, you have Steve Bannon in federal prison, Peter Navarro in federal.
00:26:35.000They've always existed as like the secret police of the current orthodoxy of the regime.
00:26:41.000And I think that's really wrong and it's terrible in many different ways.
00:26:47.000But yes, I could go through other things I would eliminate as well.
00:26:49.000But yes, the other question is that you need to ask students, which is, do you think that you are going to live in a free society with the government the size that it currently is?
00:26:59.000And unfortunately, we don't talk much about the size and scope of government anymore.
00:27:28.000So again, I think relentlessly reminding them that they're getting ripped off in college is fun, but also it's true.
00:27:34.000This particular one applies more to young conservatives, probably, because they believe in free speech as long as you're a college liberal.
00:27:43.000But yes, I mean, the whole proposition of college, I think there is a potential opening here, is reminding students That they are going into debt to subsidize themselves to not be able to express their opinions and not be able to really honestly learn anything at most of these colleges.
00:28:03.000So yeah, the whole idea, the whole kind of topic we want here is trying to challenge them because here's the way that we think about it.
00:28:10.000Is that we're not going to be able to get them to challenge big government and all this if they don't understand that they're currently living in a very rigged, authoritarian environment on that college campus.
00:28:21.000If you can get them to think differently and analytically about the current college campus environment that they're in, then it might open up their mind for other such injustices.
00:28:41.000And we, our president and vice president, arranged a peaceful protest twice based upon your Educate, Don't Mandate that year.
00:28:47.000And we got the mandate dropped at our school, and then you came and talked to us with Allie Beth Stuckey, and it was honestly the coolest thing ever, and we still talk about it.
00:29:24.000And it was just such a great exchange.
00:29:26.000I think that's been seen 50 or 60 million times.
00:29:30.000I love when these, you know, young ladies, they're usually young ladies, but sometimes young men, they email us afterwards, I did not consent to being filmed.
00:29:38.000I'm like, yeah, you were in front of 800 people, like, we're good, right?
00:29:44.000It's like, what you didn't consent to is getting owned.
00:30:01.000What would your recommendation be to students who are nervous about writing papers or putting out their beliefs in the written word for their classes and for their professors to see and then potentially downgrade them and so on?
00:30:18.000I have a very different view than Ben Shapiro does on this.
00:30:22.000I like Ben, he's a friend I've known for years, but he has a completely different view.
00:30:25.000So, his view, you know, he went to Harvard, is just lie on your exams, lie on your paper, get the good grade, and march to the institutions, right?
00:30:34.000Get the degree, and then use it against them, and all of that.
00:30:37.000So, I have a completely different view.
00:30:45.000And I care about if you're a good person and if you have courage.
00:30:48.000Like, if you have good grades and you're evil, there are a lot of really smart evil people.
00:30:52.000And I'm not saying cheating on a test is an evil thing, but it brings your soul and your character closer towards evil deeds and actions than closer towards beautiful and good actions.
00:31:02.000So my worldview is that everything you do matters in all places of time, regardless of the circumstances.
00:31:07.000And that if you are going to do something that is questionable morally, you must have a really good reason to do it.
00:31:11.000For example, someone knocks on your door.
00:31:40.000Yeah, your life is over if you don't get into med school, okay?
00:31:42.000There's like a million different things that you could do in life.
00:31:45.000And the issue is this, is that most parents have told their kids the most important thing is getting good marks and career ascension, where the way we should raise kids is that, no, the most important thing is being a person of strong character and solid virtue and a good person.
00:32:01.000And a lot more than just getting A's on whatever test and you forget 99% of the subject material you're after anyway and it's just kind of as a matter of just passing through, not exactly important to me.
00:32:14.000So my opinion does not always resonate with students because they are held hostage to this belief that they have to do well in that current, not just well, Whatever is the expense.
00:32:28.000If every person in college that agreed with us was vocal in their classrooms, yeah, they might downgrade everybody, but wouldn't that be a better country to live in?
00:32:39.000Where you have more courageous people, and more people speaking out, and less people just cowering in fear like, oh yes, and men can give birth, and I believe in reparations.
00:33:23.000Yeah, so kind of just to add on to that topic, when I was in, I did a stint at a community college locally, and my English professor put out an assignment to write a paper on socialism.
00:33:35.000And so I wrote an anti-socialism paper, obviously.
00:33:40.000And I submitted it and she gave me a really bad grade.
00:33:44.000So actually what I did was I went back and I looked at the specific requirements for the paper and the assignment and nowhere in there did it say that it had to be like one or the other like pro or anti and so I went in and like complained and I got my grade changed because nowhere in there did it say that it had to be her view.
00:34:02.000She was just a really pro socialism teacher.
00:34:17.000One thing that I know is still the norm is that parents still want their kids to go to college and have that degree and kind of move forward up in their careers.
00:34:24.000What would your advice be for when we're talking about, at least for high school students who are wanting to get into college or who have parents who are pushing them to get into college?
00:34:35.000Because we want the parents to be our allies too when there's that decision.
00:34:40.000You do not have to take the Charlie Kirk worldview into your high school department.
00:34:43.000However, what I'm saying is right, and people don't have to... I'm sorry.
00:34:47.000It's just that I don't come to these conclusions lightly, and my entire thesis, in its totality, is written in a book, which you guys... Thank you very much.
00:35:43.000If I took your child and I asked them, does your parent want you to be happy, successful, smart, or good?
00:35:52.000What do you think that, that the kid would say?
00:35:55.00090% of kids say that my parents want me to be successful.
00:35:58.000Very few say that my parents want me to be good.
00:36:01.000So you can actually call out the parent in real time, and they're like, oh, well, I thought I was always telling you, like, no, you were always probably drilling it into them at family dinners, you better go to college, better college, not you better, you know, give back that $20 bill when you're supposed to get a 10 at the gas station.
00:36:35.000You say to an employer or a parent, and if you had two resumes in front of you to hire somebody, Resume A is they went to University of Oklahoma, right, and they studied communications, and they did fine.
00:37:17.000I know this is a provocative thing to say, but I firmly believe that if we told our high school kids, like, yeah, you gotta go to 50 countries, come back to me when you get there, they're like, well, that's not safe!
00:37:26.000Like, hold on, I thought that college campus was, like, rape culture, they're hunting you down at night, like, which one is it exactly, right?
00:37:32.000So, and by the way, just so we're clear, Dubai, Singapore, Tokyo, way safer than Texas A&M, okay?
00:37:44.000So again, we've fallen victim to our own premises that college campuses are this anointing and this christening.
00:37:51.000And again, my role, you don't have to do this, I do think though that it's healthy that when a society has an overemphasis on something that's obviously dysfunctional, Freedom lovers should be unafraid to challenge those premises.
00:38:03.000And sometimes those premises are right, but what I found with the college thing is that almost nobody defends it.
00:38:08.000It's almost like hostile attacks, and it's like vicious name-calling, which, that's how you know you're exactly telling the truth about everything, right?
00:38:15.000Oh, shut up, person that didn't go to college!
00:38:16.000I go, hold on, no, but tell me why it's great.
00:38:18.000Like, oh, you wouldn't know because, well, actually, I would know because I didn't go to college about what you could do without going to college.
00:38:31.000I just drop out, and by some miracle, if it's a conservative course, I say, well, join a chapter, start a chapter, it will make your college experience better than ever.
00:38:40.000But what do I say to someone on the left who asks that?
00:38:43.000Yeah, again, you're not their counselor.
00:38:45.000So do not ever, I'm careful about this, I never give people specific advice.
00:38:49.000Only like 99, like there's a 0.1% exception if I feel as if there's something I really can advise them on, but there's so many factors you don't know and nuances and they might not be telling you the whole truth.
00:39:00.000So instead, just ask questions and let them stir and think about it, which is, does that current path, do you think it's going to get you closer to your end goal?
00:39:07.000And again, ask them what type of person do you want to be, right?
00:39:13.000Is what you are doing getting closer or getting you closer or further away from that end goal?
00:39:17.000So you're not here to be people's counselor.
00:39:20.000You're certainly not there to be some random liberals, you know, guidance counselor when they walk by.
00:39:25.000But what you will notice about any criticism, and we saw this, and Andrew can attest to this, we did this, you know, college is a scam thing, just the hostility of people's protection of the industry.
00:39:34.000I was like, you guys are protecting an industry that's making you poorer and angrier.
00:39:38.000Like, at least be value neutral about it.
00:39:41.000And it was just like, they are defending college the way that a good Catholic would defend the Catholic Church.
00:42:54.000Look, there's a lot of anti-Americanism here.
00:42:57.000If there's one thing that I hope you got, and this is a really good topic for high school, this is probably the most agreeable high school one, is just be unapologetic of why we are great.
00:43:17.000You can look at it objectively from greatest economy, most success, most gold medals, most Nobel Prizes, all that stuff.
00:43:27.000But it's just so objectively true that there's something that went right here in this experiment that we are losing.
00:43:36.000And I think one of the reasons we're losing it is a lack of gratitude for this country.
00:43:39.000And I'm happy to go through the objections where people say, but Charlie, you know, we have the most prisoners or most whatever it's the whole, you know, list that they say, and you should never necessarily dismiss those.
00:45:07.000This is what is so dangerous, what we're living through, is that some of these people were born here, and they're raised here, and they're educated here, and they have venom for the country.
00:45:15.000And so there's something deeper going on where, and I mean this as gently as I could put it, is that they have other unremedied psychological issues sometimes, and they're just using a hatred of America as a vehicle and as a way to try and project other demons that they haven't necessarily wrestled with or
00:46:06.000Because you have no idea how bad it could actually... You try to tell people you have no idea how bad it could actually get and how, you know, this country could basically... is collapsing from its own weight.
00:46:14.000So you have a great story to tell that you could get, I think, angrier and more intense from a righteous position than I can, Because these self-righteous, very, very entitled Americans that our family's been here for 150 years are telling you about how terrible this country is.
00:46:34.000And they have no idea what they're talking about.
00:46:38.000So there's two ways that you can operate in a society.
00:46:41.000You can operate from a place of gratitude or ingratitude.
00:46:43.000When you have gratitude for a country, you grow, you thrive, you prosper.
00:46:46.000When you have ingratitude for a country, you collapse.
00:48:33.000Alright, it's liberty, In God We Trust and E Pluribus Unum.
00:48:39.000So, liberty, which is a fundamental American value, which is not being able to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.
00:48:43.000It's actually the freedom to do what one ought to do.
00:48:45.000That's a much deeper separate issue that you can have me back at a different time to talk about.
00:48:49.000In God We Trust, I'm a firm believer that if you do not believe in some sort of an almighty, omniscient, omnipotent being, then government will replace that.
00:49:03.000Which means that skin color, race, color, tradition, none of that stuff matters.
00:49:07.000What matters is that we are all human beings, made in the image of the end god that we put trust in, and that we are all one species together.
00:49:43.000So we have been spending down our inheritance, first from Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, then the greatest generation, Eisenhower, and we are very low.
00:49:53.000Our bank account is very low right now.
00:49:55.000Because we are the metaphorical, to use a biblical analogy, right?
00:50:00.000We are the son that has left and spent the entire inheritance, right?
00:50:10.000That whole story's about repentance, basically, right?
00:50:12.000Spent the inheritance, come back and realize, like, we got nothing left, because we haven't built any of it.
00:50:18.000And the whole project at Turning Point USA is, like, first realizing that the inheritance is basically all been spent, and then go back to what actually gave us that inheritance in the first place, which is good values and virtuous people, appreciation for the country, appreciation for the flag, and core fundamental values and ideas.
00:50:55.000And for those of you that are not religious, I think you could—and I'm very religious, but again, this is not all about just Charlie's religious views—however, I think we can all objectively agree that the country has fallen apart as the country has fallen away from a belief in an Almighty Creator God.
00:51:11.000Even if you are an atheist, Which Christopher Hitchens has said, he agrees with this argument, that as the West has become less Christian, it has become less free, because he believes those two things are actually tied together.
00:51:24.000Don't take my word for it, John Adams said in the founding of the country, the Constitution is written wholly for a moral and religious people, it is wholly inadequate for the people of any other.
00:51:32.000Said differently, it's that if you don't believe in, let's just say, a biblical God, It could be Jehovah, Yahweh, Jesus, whatever.
00:51:41.000Some sort of a God that knows you, made you, judges you, and potentially saves you.
00:51:46.000Those are the characteristics of the God of the Bible, right?
00:51:49.000If you don't believe in that, then something else becomes that God.
00:51:54.000And the counterfeits are really bad and really dangerous.
00:51:57.000God of self, God of pleasure, God of environmentalism, God of anti-racism, God of social movements, God of all the isms.
00:52:04.000Nihilism, yeah, socialism, scientism, are replacement theologies of what once was Judeo-Christian values in the West.
00:52:14.000So what we have been led to believe is, oh, you know, religion is a bunch of hocus-pocus, it's a bunch of wizardry, never was true, doesn't matter, let's just kind of cast that aside, means nothing, and then people can just live free in a value-neutral way.
00:52:29.000We were suckers to ever believe that, because what happened is replacement religions that are very sinister, never built anything, and have destroyed almost every civilization that it's come in contact with.
00:52:45.000Yeah, this is great, and I love this, which is that I don't think you'll have as much of an issue here, but people that complain a lot and refuse to vote—one of my least favorite categories ever, right?
00:52:56.000These are people that will wait 15 minutes in line for their Frappuccino at Starbucks, but they won't fill in a mail-in ballot, because they're sticking it to the man.
00:53:02.000Now, mind you, that's a uniquely boomer phenomenon that I deal with, which is like, I'm a tough guy, I'm not voting.
00:53:07.000Like, yeah, you're an idiot, and I have no time for you, like, get out of the way.
00:53:12.000All of you should be constantly encouraging your members, the people you come in contact with, to vote, to register to vote.
00:53:56.000I think that there's multiple approaches.
00:53:59.000But our approach has been this, which is be very bold and declarative of the truth, create shock and awe, spice and attention, and through that you will have invigorated troops, followers that are energized, and that the people in the middle will find what you do as a form of pseudo-entertainment, and they will then be drawn over over a period in the course of time.
00:54:34.000We could be going through this be like, well, as to not offend people, let's try to do that.
00:54:39.000That's I don't think that's the tone of the country.
00:54:41.000I don't think that's the way you build movements.
00:54:43.000Movements are not built on political correct Foundations.
00:54:48.000Movements are built on truth, and they're built on people that believe it, and they're willing to go fight for it.
00:54:54.000And so, winning over the middle, I think, is, it happens over a period of time, when courageous people are willing and able to defend their value system, when they receive opposition.
00:55:10.000Do you think it's effective when talking to any crowd, whether it's people kind of in the middle, on the left, on the right, wherever it may be, to kind of raise like a deeper question?
00:55:19.000Like, what is like the end goal for your life?
00:55:22.000And I know that we can get into All sorts of different... That shouldn't be a deep question, by the way.
00:55:27.000Yeah, that's... Hey, I agree with that.
00:55:31.000But I guess that... Is that an effective strategy to take, is kind of my question.
00:55:35.000I mean, yes, I think that dialogue is important.
00:55:39.000You'll be able to find out... It's a very insightful question.
00:55:42.000If you're talking to a liberal or a left... There's a little bit between liberal and leftist, but they're cousins of each other.
00:55:46.000Liberals are weak, leftists are evil, but they're both cousins of each other, right?
00:55:49.000And so if you're talking to a leftist, whatever, They usually do not have a very long horizon in their life, typically.
00:55:55.000If you're talking to a conservative, they usually have a very, very long horizon.
00:55:59.000So, said differently, a conservative typically will embody delayed gratification in almost everything they do, where a liberal will engage in indulgence and instant gratification with a very short-term horizon.
00:56:15.000But you think about it, a conservative says, I want to get married, I want to have children, I want to own a home, I want to save money.
00:56:21.000All of that is that I am going to do things that are hard, but deep.
00:56:25.000that are difficult but rewarding, but I want a government that allows me to do those things.
00:56:30.000A liberal would be like, because here's the problem, is that liberalism and leftism, the undercurrent idea toxin is nihilism, which is what's destroying this country.
00:56:39.000Nothing matters, nothing's true, who are you to say, let me do my stuff, give me some weed, give me some alcohol, free sex, no costs, right?
00:56:45.000That is the undercurrent because they say, well, there's really nothing that's true.
00:56:48.000I might as well feel good while doing it, right?
00:56:51.000I want to, I want to have the most amount of fun, most amount of stuff, most amount of toys, most amount of pleasure, because we only get so many years.
00:56:57.000And that is, I don't think anyone here holds that view, right?
00:57:00.000Cause it's really damaging, really dark and leads to depression and suicide anxiety and all these other really dark places because life is actually infinitely more deep than that.
00:57:07.000So yes, asking a simple question as what is your life's goal can sometimes flush that out.
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00:58:45.000And yes, they're both totalitarian, but there really is not much of a distinction between the two, which is that in socialism, they believe in small citizen, big government.
00:58:54.000We believe in big citizen, small government.
00:58:56.000In socialism, they believe in almost no families, and the government becomes the family.
00:59:00.000We believe that the family should be premier, and the government should take a backseat.
00:59:06.000Yes, you have not asked a question yet.
00:59:08.000Just on this topic, what do you tell the people that talk about the European countries that have socialism and that it totally works there?
00:59:43.000That's number one, which we would never do in our country, because diversity is our strength, right?
00:59:47.000Number two, The Norwegian, Norway, they have a trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund made basically out of fossil fuel extraction and, you know, oil and natural gas.
00:59:57.000But most importantly is this, which is, let's pretend that it quote-unquote works even though they have a very homogenous population, no immigration, all this.
01:00:04.000Would you rather live in a comfortable society that gives you everything that you want, We're a free society that allows you to achieve anything that you wish to do.
01:01:42.000Of course, there should be some form of taxation.
01:01:44.000The question is, what is fair, what is just?
01:01:45.000I think 10% across the board would be a great, kind of, maybe even national sales tax, whatever.
01:01:49.000I'm not here to say specific policy measures, but you should make, you should ask the argument, ask the question of a student on campus, whose money is it?
01:01:58.000Is it your money or the government's money?
01:02:10.000You want to take, like, 50% of my stuff, but you want to be able to, like, murder a baby in my womb, which is, like, really weird.
01:02:16.000Like, that's the only thing that you— Or, why is it that you were okay with kicking people out of the military for not taking a shot called a vaccine?
01:02:26.000But I thought it was my body, my choice.
01:02:45.000So I'll be working with high school students, and I know sometimes many high school curriculums don't cover the depth of what taxes really are, and many of them might have not worked significant enough jobs where they really see the difference in that.
01:02:57.000So how would you recommend reaching those students to really emphasize and get this point across?
01:03:03.000Probably, first of all, they are taxed before they even are able to vote, which is remarkable.
01:03:12.000I think in high school, probably doing the very old but effective grade redistribution story, which is A students have to give their grades to F students so that everyone becomes C students, and that is equity.
01:03:24.000I think that's probably effective for introductory high school kids.
01:03:27.000College kids, they might shrug that off, right?
01:03:29.000But everybody, and they'll say, well, that's not fair.
01:03:32.000So every taxation argument is a question of justice, is of what is fair, what is just, what is right, what is true.
01:03:39.000And yes, you should not take more from the high producers to subsidize the lazy low producers.
01:03:44.000I think that's probably the best way to discuss it.
01:03:53.000My question is, scripturally, we're told to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and how can you juxtapose a statement that taxation is theft when, biblically, we are told to pay our taxes?
01:04:16.000Secondly, and I have to go back on this, it's been a long time, there's a phenomenal book I have to show you from Lawrence Reed, where he just goes through this, so I'll have to refer you to it, all about the render under Caesar what is Caesar's but understand
01:04:28.000what was the second part of that run render under God's what is God's
01:04:31.000so he's actually going even above Caesar saying that God is sovereign overall that's at least playing from my memory
01:04:37.000but let's go back into the Old Testament first of God's law here
01:04:41.00010 percent of everything to the government are at as a tie right was the kinda fair and form way
01:04:47.000But secondly, and most importantly, was this idea in the protection of private property, which the first real estate deal ever done in the history of the world was Abraham buying Hebron for the Hall of the Patriarchs in Israel.
01:04:59.000So, private property is fundamental to freedom, and if and when we do not have the ability of the agency to own property, then the government becomes bigger than the citizens.
01:05:31.000My own personal opinions here, not that of Turning Point USA.
01:05:33.000I think it's insane we keep on sending our best and brightest to no-win wars halfway across the world, and we can't secure our own border, and we have homeless veterans dying on our streets.
01:05:41.000I think it's a violation of the social contract, and I think we engage... I think the war industry is one of the great injustices of the modern American experiment.
01:05:51.000I do not think you can have a free society if you have a country that wants to go invade other societies saying that they aren't free when yourself cease to be free.
01:06:32.000And that is almost solely because of this unrepentant war machine and this cult of death that calls themselves a military-industrial complex.
01:06:39.000You do not have to agree with that, but that's my take.
01:06:42.000I think that it's important to remember our veterans, but what are we doing to prevent the next one million people that go into a theater of war that are going to be dealing with mental health issues, anxiety, suicidal ideation, death, depression, broken families, all for what?
01:06:54.000What did we get out of the invasion of Iraq?
01:08:23.000And they'll say, oh no, it's never right to kill.
01:08:24.000Say, okay, if someone's coming after your pregnant wife with a chainsaw, you can't take out a gun and protect yourself?
01:08:30.000And so, I mean, the argument falls apart, you know, on its face value.
01:08:36.000And I think you should play off and say, wait a second, so the person who signs up and puts their life on the line to go fight for the country halfway around the world so that you can keep on, like, smoking weed on the streets of Portland is somehow the enemy?
01:08:48.000And you should say, you should direct all that anger that you think are the murderers to the current D.C.
01:08:55.000You should not hate the rank-and-file that signed up with duty and service to serve this country while these other people are playing war games.
01:09:03.000So, I mean, I would try to redirect their anger towards the correct target.
01:09:06.000But I think that the anti-military stuff has largely faded.
01:09:15.000Okay, so I am... I'm trying to think of the best way to ask this question.
01:09:19.000So I'm a Christian, I'm pro-Israel, pro-veterans, my husband's a veteran, pro-military, but I generally don't... I believe we involve ourselves in wars we don't need to be involved in.
01:09:30.000Can you explain, like, personally against the Ukraine war, right, but can you explain to me why we should, and maybe this is like as a Christian specifically, but also as an American, be supportive of the Israel war?
01:09:41.000Because I have a hard time explaining that.
01:09:51.000So I believe the Bible is the most important document ever written.
01:09:54.000I believe proving the authenticity, the accuracy of the Bible is important for all of humanity.
01:09:58.000The only way that we're able to continue to prove, experience, and see the accuracy of the Bible is to be able to visit Israel and the archaeological sites and visit actually where the Bible occurred.
01:10:07.000That is only possible under the current kind of Israeli governmental structure.
01:10:11.000If the Islamic fundamentalists were to take over Israel, we would, as
01:10:15.000Christians, lose access to holy sites, archeological sites, and digs, which
01:10:19.000would then be a step forward in destroying the accuracy of the people's
01:10:23.000faith in the scriptures and the Bible.
01:10:24.000That is my number one and overarching belief.
01:10:37.000However, I do think supporting Israel, secondly, against who I consider to be some of the most evil people on the planet, who are the, you know, Hamas Nazis.
01:10:47.000But yes, to be consistent though, we should be very careful about the amount of money, the amount of troops, the amount of entanglement, the amount of engagement, especially as our own country is largely collapsing.
01:11:34.000We also recently the left freak out over this Project 2025 from the Heritage Foundation and how they tried to turn that into a national conversation.
01:11:44.000I know with our mission we want to focus on the issues and the power players here at home.
01:11:49.000Is it ever appropriate to bring up things like the UN Sustainability Goals and their agenda 2030 that's kind of, I think, been pushed back since they've kind of been foiled a little bit.
01:12:01.000But those things really woke me up and kind of got me in the political movement because those things I can see in the future where that's headed.
01:12:08.000Is it ever appropriate to bring that up?
01:12:10.000Um, of course it is, but I'll just tell you, are you high school or college working in?
01:12:16.000Yeah, they're not, they don't know what the UN is.
01:12:18.000So that's, uh, yeah, the, the, just so you guys understand, the, the political and educational knowledge of most students you deal with Is TikTok level, right?
01:12:30.000And so, but it's your job to build it up and to build awareness and to build, you know, educational viability.
01:12:35.000But yes, I think that it's all legitimate.
01:12:37.000I just, with some exceptions, some campuses are pretty great, but the lack of knowledge is pretty striking.
01:12:45.000However, they're very, very confident.
01:13:00.000Is there any specific advice you'd give to us sort of in red states as we move toward November for nonpartisan helping us as we move toward there?
01:13:07.000Yeah, your goal is beyond the election for sure, but just break complacency.
01:13:11.000Make people understand that they need to stay involved, stay active, you know, express their viewpoint and not just grow comfortable because they happen to be in the ideological majority.
01:13:23.000Hi, I just have a general question as well.
01:13:25.000My question is that you've seen a lot of people in your company come and go and become great leaders within your company and stuff.
01:13:31.000What is like one of the qualities that you would say do instill in us when we're going out on the field and like we're doing things, what can we do to be leaders and better voices on campus?
01:14:17.000And then finally, you know, we have a high prize on creativity.
01:14:21.000People that Take risks, want to constantly push boundaries, go the extra mile.
01:14:26.000Obviously, our culture points are really important, but we're really proud that our entire leadership team has been hired from within, has grown from within, has come up through the ranks, and has built the most sizable and powerful field organization in the history of the country.