The Charlie Kirk Show - The Last Thing the Left Doesn't Control — LIVE from Calvary Oro Valley

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00:00:15.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:40.000 I want to thank you guys.

00:01:42.000 It's been a wild couple months, I think all of us would agree.

00:01:46.000 And one of the reasons I wanted to come here, you know, Erica, my fiancé, was texting with the team here.

00:01:52.000 And I've just, in the last year and a half, I've felt more and more called to speak at churches all across the country.

00:01:57.000 I've had a unique opportunity to speak at over 50 churches from all across the country, from Maine to California to Texas to Arizona.

00:02:04.000 I grew up in a Bible-believing church in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:02:07.000 I'm an evangelical Christian.

00:02:08.000 It's the most important thing in my life.

00:02:10.000 But it's always been a frustration of mine being in the political space, looking into the Christian world, saying, why are churches not more involved in offering moral clarity to what's happening in our country?

00:02:21.000 And I just wanted to say your church and your pastor is one of the few that's actually doing the right thing in that regard.

00:02:28.000 And this church will be blessed because of that.

00:02:33.000 And so I'm sure some people here today or some people watching the live stream are kind of quietly saying, you know what?

00:02:39.000 I'm going to hear this guy out, but I don't like the political thing.

00:02:43.000 I just want to get away from politics.

00:02:44.000 Well, let's just start very plainly and simply.

00:02:47.000 Some people say, I don't want the church to get involved in politics.

00:02:50.000 I don't think the church should ever do that.

00:02:52.000 I just want to talk about the gospel.

00:02:53.000 You've heard this before, some pastors say that.

00:02:56.000 Well, look, I will make the argument, just to start here, that we as Christians are called to get into all spheres of influence, including the political space.

00:03:05.000 And our values, the values of the gospel, looking at looking after the people that can't defend themselves, looking after people that do not have the same rights and privileges we have.

00:03:15.000 What better space to contend for that than in the political space?

00:03:18.000 Let's even take a broader picture, though.

00:03:20.000 How are we supposed to make sense of people like Esther and Daniel and Mordecai and Joseph and Nehemiah and Jeremiah, people that we look to in the Old Testament as biblical heroes that got involved in secular government for God's chosen purpose?

00:03:35.000 In order to say that the church shouldn't get involved in politics, you'd have to ignore huge parts of the Bible.

00:03:42.000 The entire country we live in was founded on biblical principles.

00:03:46.000 You see, you know how I knew the founding fathers were awesome and they were awesome in so many different ways.

00:03:51.000 They chose to use a verse from Leviticus on the Liberty Bell.

00:03:54.000 Like, who does that?

00:03:56.000 Leviticus.

00:03:58.000 And it's actually one of the reasons my fiancé has an amazing clothing line.

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00:04:06.000 But the verse on the Liberty Bell is, and I'm paraphrasing, you will proclaim liberty throughout the land.

00:04:11.000 The founding fathers understood this, and they understood that the idea of three branches of government comes from the Torah, comes from the Old Testament.

00:04:20.000 The idea of private property, where you own something because you worked hard and you should keep it, comes from Abraham.

00:04:27.000 When Abraham went down to Hebron, he didn't go say, This is mine, I want it.

00:04:32.000 He said, No, he purchased it.

00:04:34.000 The idea of commerce and trade, a man's wage is worth the work he puts in from Proverbs.

00:04:41.000 All these ideas that we take for granted in Western society, it stems from a singular source.

00:04:46.000 And also, Jesus Christ himself said we should get involved in politics.

00:04:49.000 That's right.

00:04:50.000 The opposite will be told in most churches across the country.

00:04:53.000 Most people say, you know, there's a pastor from California who was very influential growing up, and I've been so saddened seeing his fall in the last couple of years because he says, you know what?

00:05:04.000 God doesn't care how you vote.

00:05:06.000 That's what he said.

00:05:08.000 I thought about that.

00:05:09.000 I said, well, first of all, the theology I have is God cares about everything you do.

00:05:14.000 Everything.

00:05:15.000 He cares about what you eat.

00:05:16.000 He cares about how you interact.

00:05:18.000 This idea that God kind of gives you a permission slope for any course of action is bizarre to me.

00:05:23.000 But what he's really saying is your vote is really not a reflection of your values.

00:05:28.000 Basically, he's arguing that voting is no different than just choosing Chili's or Outback or Olive Garden or Red Robin, right?

00:05:34.000 It's like not that big of a deal.

00:05:36.000 That's the argument this guy's making.

00:05:38.000 And it's Rick Warren, and I've emailed him back and forth, and he's just been such a disappointment.

00:05:43.000 I only mention his name because he has a big platform and he can handle it.

00:05:48.000 And no, I mean that.

00:05:49.000 I lovingly say that.

00:05:50.000 And I think he's done some wonderful work for the kingdom, but he's really misleading people right now.

00:05:55.000 And he said, God doesn't care how you vote.

00:05:57.000 And I say, wait a second.

00:05:58.000 You're trying to tell me God is apathetic when it comes to abortion?

00:06:02.000 Like, that's what we're supposed to believe?

00:06:04.000 That God just doesn't really care about whether or not we build a society to defend those that can't defend themselves?

00:06:12.000 That that's something that we're supposed to believe that God cares about how you marry, who you marry.

00:06:17.000 God cares about whether or not you tell the truth.

00:06:19.000 God cares about how you manage your finances.

00:06:21.000 God cares about whether you tell the truth.

00:06:23.000 But when you go in the voting booth, we're supposed to believe that all the laws of the Bible, all that is not really applicable.

00:06:30.000 But even deeper than that, one of the most quoted verses that all of you know is when Jesus went up to Caesarea, Philippi, and he told his disciples, he said, on this rock, build my.

00:06:42.000 And we say church, right?

00:06:44.000 Well, the word in Koine Greek is ekklesia.

00:06:48.000 So he said, on this rock, build my ecclesia.

00:06:51.000 What is an ecclesia?

00:06:52.000 Now, the filler word is church.

00:06:54.000 Well, William Tyndale, who was the original translator of the Bible, he was the guy that gave us the Bible that we have today.

00:07:01.000 He went back into the Koine Greek and he discovered, because in Latin, it was a little bit, it was a little bit ambiguous.

00:07:10.000 It wasn't clear that ecclesia was a secular Greek term.

00:07:14.000 It's what we're doing right now.

00:07:16.000 Ecclesia was a government political meeting.

00:07:19.000 So think about it.

00:07:20.000 In the original Koine Greek, it wasn't, on this rock, build my synagogue.

00:07:25.000 It wasn't on this rock, build my temple.

00:07:26.000 Now, why would that be?

00:07:28.000 Because I always love looking at the scriptures, and I love saying, why does it say this and not say something else?

00:07:34.000 It's a very fulfilling way to read the text.

00:07:38.000 And I'll get into some examples of that and how they apply today, which I think is really interesting.

00:07:42.000 Maybe because Jesus wanted comprehensive Christianity, not compartmentalized Christianity.

00:07:47.000 Maybe Jesus was saying, you know what?

00:07:49.000 Take this light to every sphere of influence.

00:07:53.000 I'll be very honest with you guys.

00:07:55.000 My life would be easier if I avoided politics.

00:07:58.000 I completely admit that.

00:08:01.000 The reason why pastors don't do it is because you want to talk about the most brutal, emotional, friendship-crushing division?

00:08:11.000 It's politics, not religion.

00:08:14.000 Religion does not crush friendships anymore.

00:08:17.000 Politics does.

00:08:19.000 That's why pastors avoid it.

00:08:21.000 They avoid it because they think they're going to lose tithes and offerings, which is not true.

00:08:25.000 But who cares if you do?

00:08:27.000 All of a sudden, you're some sort of business model as if you have to have a certain occupancy rate, like you're running a bed and breakfast.

00:08:33.000 You speak the truth.

00:08:34.000 God will take care of the rest.

00:08:35.000 It's not that hard.

00:08:37.000 It's as if...

00:08:42.000 And so I get the idea that the church should be a place that is a refuge for all people.

00:08:54.000 I completely understand that.

00:08:56.000 I understand that some people think politics in general is nothing but division and people pitted against each other.

00:09:05.000 I understand that.

00:09:07.000 The church is all supposed to be a place of truth.

00:09:10.000 And if we as Christians make the decision, which we have in America, by the way, majority of Christians do not take stances on moral issues.

00:09:17.000 Can I speak plainly to you guys?

00:09:18.000 Our offices are here in Phoenix, Arizona, spending a lot of time here in Arizona.

00:09:22.000 Arizona elected two Democrat senators because the church was silent.

00:09:27.000 That's why it happened.

00:09:29.000 And it was on the margins.

00:09:30.000 If pastors in this state went to their congregation and was okay with getting a couple angry emails but stood on what the word of God says, there would be two Republican senators and the state wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden.

00:09:42.000 Now, I'm not saying Republicans are anointed by God.

00:09:45.000 I'm not saying that.

00:09:46.000 What I am saying, though, is an agenda that wants to destroy the rule of law, get rid of the police, tolerate post-term abortions, attack religious liberty, smear innocent men like Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

00:09:59.000 That is not even close to what the scriptures are talking about.

00:10:03.000 And some people say, well, it's the lesser of two evils.

00:10:06.000 Of course it is.

00:10:07.000 Look, what kind of conversation?

00:10:08.000 Everything is the lesser of two evils.

00:10:10.000 We're all fallen.

00:10:10.000 We're all broken.

00:10:11.000 Of course it is.

00:10:12.000 The question is, what agenda, what set of policies is closer to biblical truth?

00:10:18.000 How about this?

00:10:20.000 Joe Biden, a couple days into his presidency, signs an executive order saying that men who think they are women should be able to compete in women's sports.

00:10:27.000 No one who reads like the first six verses of the Bible can say that that is within biblical truth.

00:10:33.000 It's that simple.

00:10:34.000 Maybe the first 14 verses of the Bible.

00:10:36.000 It's not that hard.

00:10:37.000 God created man and God created woman.

00:10:39.000 Well, that's not that hard.

00:10:40.000 But you know what the real problem is?

00:10:42.000 Is that too many pastors are starting to say, you know, the Bible is like a self-improvement book.

00:10:47.000 It's not the word of God.

00:10:49.000 It's kind of like a thing where you can, it's an allegory, right?

00:10:53.000 It's kind of, it's not true, but it has some truths in it.

00:10:57.000 And so as the church has stopped going verse by verse and chapter by chapter of the word of God, then all of a sudden, you start getting stuff of, well, maybe God is a gender-neutral God.

00:11:10.000 Maybe men and women is actually just a fallow logo-centric power structure that was formed.

00:11:18.000 You get into chaos very quickly.

00:11:20.000 And so the reason why I'm here today and the reason I'm going to speak at every single church that will have me, and not every church will, by the way.

00:11:26.000 So you guys deserve great credit for that, by the way.

00:11:32.000 Is I believe, and let's just be very honest.

00:11:36.000 The tech companies are lost.

00:11:38.000 The colleges are lost.

00:11:39.000 Our high schools are lost.

00:11:40.000 Almost all local government is lost.

00:11:42.000 We have two Democrat senators here.

00:11:44.000 Every institution in the country is basically controlled by secular, nihilistic leftists.

00:11:50.000 There's only one place left in this country, and that's the church.

00:11:57.000 In our fast-paced world, it's tough to make reading a priority.

00:12:01.000 At least it used to be.

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00:12:35.000 That's something we talk about here a lot on this Charlie Kirk show.

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00:12:58.000 The church is now going to be tested like never before.

00:13:02.000 Now be very clear.

00:13:03.000 Now, let me be very clear.

00:13:05.000 The Democrats and the left, they do not want to get rid of the church immediately.

00:13:10.000 They want to get rid of the churches they don't like.

00:13:12.000 They want to get rid of the disagreeable church.

00:13:14.000 Even Stalin allowed a national church to exist.

00:13:18.000 Even Stalin allowed certain people in the Christian tradition, as long as they never gave a sermon or they never gave any teaching that went against Stalinism, that went against the Soviet Union.

00:13:31.000 Because he knew that if he obliterated it quickly, people would retaliate.

00:13:36.000 And so now we are going to see one of the most anti-nature, anti-laws of nature agenda ever implemented.

00:13:46.000 You get the government that you deserve.

00:13:48.000 We'll get into a lot of that other stuff that contributed to it.

00:13:51.000 But that's the way it is.

00:13:53.000 And so the question is: what will the church do?

00:13:55.000 I know what this specific church will do, but the better question is: what will the people that go to church do?

00:14:02.000 So for some of you here, this is not your home church, right?

00:14:05.000 Some of you guys have other churches.

00:14:07.000 If your pastor is not fully open, if your pastor is not telling you at least once a month what it means to be an involved citizen of this country, you got to start putting the pressure on.

00:14:18.000 You got to start writing emails and say, Dear Pastor Smith, this church right here is wide open, no social distancing, no mass.

00:14:25.000 They trust their congregation to be able to make the right decisions.

00:14:29.000 Liberty, it's such an amazing thing.

00:14:31.000 If you feel unsafe to come here, then watch on the live stream, but then don't prevent other people from coming here.

00:14:38.000 Such a bizarre thing.

00:14:41.000 And so, but that's what you have to do now.

00:14:46.000 You write your pastor tonight lovingly and you say, hey, I went to this.

00:14:50.000 I've gone to your church for a decade.

00:14:51.000 You've helped me with my marriage.

00:14:52.000 You help me with that.

00:14:52.000 You've helped me at this.

00:14:54.000 But why is it you're not speaking out against abortion, speaking out against the transgender executive order?

00:14:59.000 Why don't you give out voting guides?

00:15:01.000 Why don't you register your...

00:15:02.000 And they say, well, we don't do politics in this church.

00:15:05.000 And what they're saying is, oh, so you don't fight for what's right when it's really hard.

00:15:10.000 See, it's easy in the church to say, you know what?

00:15:12.000 We have, you know, child sex trafficking, recovering ministries.

00:15:16.000 Those things are agreeable, right?

00:15:18.000 What's difficult is saying, well, maybe we should have a government that actually wants to contest for those things.

00:15:24.000 And so the guide should always be the word of God.

00:15:27.000 Always.

00:15:28.000 And we've gotten away from that so much in our country.

00:15:31.000 I'll give you a great example of this.

00:15:33.000 So we have statues being taken down all across the country.

00:15:36.000 They're renaming schools in San Francisco.

00:15:38.000 And one of my favorite is they're renaming a school in San Francisco, the Abraham Lincoln School, right?

00:15:44.000 Because they're saying he did not adequately fight for black lives.

00:15:47.000 One of the most absurd things, right?

00:15:50.000 And this is what your children are learning in school, by the way.

00:15:53.000 But let's go back to the Bible as a reference guide for this.

00:15:57.000 There's a wonderful verse.

00:15:58.000 It's one of the first couple chapters of the Bible where it says, Noah was a righteous man amongst his generation.

00:16:07.000 And so you should take a pause and it says, wait a second, why doesn't it just say that Noah was a righteous man?

00:16:13.000 Maybe because if you compared Noah with Elijah, he wouldn't be that righteous.

00:16:19.000 The Bible tells us you always judge people based on the time that they're in.

00:16:24.000 Maybe 100 years from now, people will say, huh, they still had abortion back then?

00:16:29.000 They were all terrible.

00:16:31.000 The point is this.

00:16:32.000 Abraham Lincoln, first of all, was a hero, one of America's greatest presidents.

00:16:39.000 But you judge him on the time that he was in.

00:16:42.000 Abraham Lincoln was a righteous man amongst his generation.

00:16:46.000 Thomas Jefferson was a righteous man amongst his generation.

00:16:49.000 Yes, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

00:16:50.000 But Thomas Jefferson also wrote in the original draft of the Declaration, condemning slavery to the King of England.

00:16:57.000 Go figure that one out.

00:16:58.000 It's as if we human beings know nothing about sinful contradiction, right?

00:17:02.000 As if we say one thing and do another.

00:17:04.000 The moral righteousness that has seeped into the left-wing decision makers in our country.

00:17:11.000 This, anyone who came before me is a bigot, and there is no wisdom that predated me.

00:17:16.000 It's one of the most dangerous things that's happening in our country.

00:17:19.000 And so they're doing this through renaming, and they're doing this through canceling, and they're doing this through all these sorts of things.

00:17:25.000 And what's so amazing to me is how many Christians remain completely silent on this.

00:17:32.000 And I'm going to be very honest.

00:17:33.000 This is a Calvary Chapel.

00:17:34.000 Oh, by the way, I have to get into the Calvary thing.

00:17:36.000 This is so funny.

00:17:37.000 So I don't know if you guys saw this or not this week.

00:17:40.000 It was phenomenal.

00:17:41.000 It's one of the greatest moments ever, and none of the media is covering it.

00:17:44.000 And this was a great opportunity for pastors to rise up and just talk about how incredibly dishonest and illiterate and how low quality our political elite is.

00:17:54.000 You probably didn't even hear about this.

00:17:55.000 So you had Eric Swale.

00:17:55.000 It's wonderful.

00:17:56.000 You probably might not heard this.

00:17:57.000 Eric Swalwell comes up, wonderful guy, right?

00:18:00.000 So he's got a lot of stuff going on.

00:18:05.000 Anyway, yeah, you guys can figure that one out.

00:18:08.000 He never should have been a House impeachment manager.

00:18:10.000 So he comes up to try and attack former President Trump.

00:18:15.000 And he comes up and he says, look at this tweet by Jennifer Lynn Lawrence.

00:18:19.000 Not that Jennifer Lawrence, different Jennifer Lawrence.

00:18:20.000 And he says, she tweeted out that the Calvary are coming, right?

00:18:27.000 And so all the people gasp and the CNN commentators say, that's terrible.

00:18:30.000 They're bringing in the infantry, the militia, and all this stuff.

00:18:34.000 So for those of us that have actually existed outside of San Jose and Menlo Park and have been to a church or read the scriptures, know that there's a difference between Calvary and Calvary, right?

00:18:48.000 So on the House floor, he is going after former President Trump, making this elaborate case about how she was signaling about bringing militia men.

00:18:57.000 She brought a prayer vigil to Washington, D.C. Calvary is what she tweeted.

00:19:01.000 But to him, he knows no difference.

00:19:03.000 Now, I want you to understand, this is not just him, right?

00:19:07.000 He's worthy of criticism because he's, you know.

00:19:10.000 Anyway, the point is it's not about him.

00:19:12.000 The point is that the dozens of people that reviewed these briefs before they went public, no one noticed it.

00:19:20.000 Not one expert thought to say, wait a second, why is it spelled C-A-L, not C-A-V?

00:19:27.000 They thought, oh, she's such an idiot that she doesn't even know how to spell it.

00:19:29.000 No, no, no.

00:19:30.000 She spelled it perfectly.

00:19:32.000 And so, anyway, Calvary's been in the news lately, and I just think it's a perfect moment to notice.

00:19:37.000 So all of you here, according to the Democrats, are actually some form of a paramilitary group or something going on here.

00:19:43.000 Calvary Chapel, not Calvary Chapel.

00:19:46.000 Okay, anyway.

00:19:47.000 I don't know how I got onto that, but so the trend of the country that I think that is most important for us to recognize and realize is if we take a step back, one of the biggest lies taught to our kids is that America was founded on just secularism.

00:20:08.000 This is in our public schools.

00:20:09.000 I'm sure a lot of you guys hear it.

00:20:11.000 And you cannot get to the founding of our country, about the Black Robe Regiment, about William Blackstone, without Whitfield, about Jonathan Edwards, about activist preachers and pastors.

00:20:20.000 It's impossible.

00:20:21.000 America was the great leap forward.

00:20:23.000 America changed the world.

00:20:24.000 Our founding was absolutely incredible.

00:20:26.000 Our founding fathers are mischaracterized as being bitter, slave-owning bigots, and that is a complete misrepresentation of their life and their brilliance and their genius.

00:20:37.000 Remember, you must always judge people of the time that they are in, right?

00:20:42.000 Noah was a righteous man amongst his generation.

00:20:44.000 I'm sure that if we just said, if all of a sudden we dissected Noah's behavior, all of a sudden, is he really worth looking at?

00:20:50.000 Well, there was a lot of other stuff even worse happening around him, so he was after God's favor.

00:20:54.000 Thomas Jefferson, for example, owned slaves, released them upon his deathbed.

00:21:00.000 As I mentioned, he repudiated slavery in the first draft of the Declaration.

00:21:03.000 They got rid of it for some compromise.

00:21:05.000 But even beyond that, Thomas Jefferson, being the third American president, at the first moment he had an opportunity to do so, signed an executive order as president saying no new slaves allowed into the United States.

00:21:15.000 Thomas Jefferson contested in the Virginia House of Commons to abolish slavery.

00:21:18.000 He was unsuccessful.

00:21:20.000 So that kind of nuance is pretty important, isn't it?

00:21:22.000 This is a guy that was actually wrestling with a couple thousand-year-old sin.

00:21:26.000 America didn't found slavery.

00:21:28.000 America didn't master it or create it.

00:21:31.000 They were born into this evil, awful tradition, which, by the way, was in the Bible as well.

00:21:35.000 And by the way, there's more slaves on the planet today than there were back then.

00:21:38.000 So before we get on our moral high horse doctors of we've abolished every single square inch of this earth, that is not true.

00:21:44.000 Go throughout Africa, you go throughout the Asian world, slavery is still alive and well today.

00:21:48.000 And a soft form of slavery exists in this country and sex trafficking and child sex trafficking.

00:21:56.000 And so, but why would Thomas Jefferson be someone important to study?

00:22:01.000 And why are they trying to get rid of it?

00:22:03.000 Get rid of him.

00:22:04.000 If you study Thomas Jefferson, you study George Washington, you study James Madison, you study John Adams, every single one of them believed that there was no document, no text even close to the Bible.

00:22:17.000 And you understand that their plan is they know if they can remove God from the equation, then they're able to get whatever power they desire.

00:22:29.000 It's really interesting.

00:22:30.000 I visit college campuses.

00:22:32.000 I know that a lot of you guys come in contact with the University of Arizona around here.

00:22:35.000 Sorry about that.

00:22:38.000 Do we have any people around here?

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:40.000 So very, very liberal.

00:22:41.000 I think Noam Chomsky still literally teaches there.

00:22:43.000 Is that right?

00:22:44.000 Noam Chomsky.

00:22:45.000 I don't know if you guys know who that is.

00:22:48.000 So one of the reasons why universities have become these hotbeds of indoctrination and quite honestly places where they are teaching things so destructive and so corrosive, it's an Old Testament verse.

00:23:02.000 Without the fear of God, there is no wisdom.

00:23:04.000 There's no God at these universities, so there's no wisdom.

00:23:06.000 So they're teaching kids that men and women are exactly the same.

00:23:10.000 They teach things that men can become pregnant and menstruate.

00:23:13.000 It's just, this is what your children are being taught.

00:23:15.000 And then we wonder by the time they turn 25 why they're so confused and why they're so miserable.

00:23:21.000 Like, I wonder why the next generation can't find direction.

00:23:25.000 Well, they can't find direction because you sowed chaos intentionally into their life.

00:23:30.000 It's very interesting.

00:23:32.000 An attribute of the left is pride and is this belief that if you just give us enough power, we can sort this whole thing out.

00:23:40.000 They are totalitarian in nature.

00:23:44.000 They demand power because in some ways they see themselves as wanting to become God or the ruler over other people.

00:23:54.000 And so if you do not have a vertical relationship in your life like we do, then all of a sudden it becomes very tempting to want to do that, right?

00:24:01.000 Like let's get rid of all these other people's ability to congregate and to speak and to be able to speak freely.

00:24:09.000 That's exactly right.

00:24:10.000 Because that's a threat to us.

00:24:12.000 And so there's only two ways to govern people.

00:24:16.000 One way to govern people is through force.

00:24:19.000 We know how that works.

00:24:21.000 The other way is through speech, dialogue, persuasion.

00:24:26.000 That's the Christian ethic.

00:24:28.000 How did Jesus spread truth?

00:24:31.000 Did he go raise an army?

00:24:33.000 Did he go conquer lands?

00:24:36.000 He's the most influential person in the history of the planet, regardless if you believe he's the son of God or not.

00:24:43.000 I do.

00:24:44.000 And he did that not through what Muhammad did, which is years of conquest, but instead through speech.

00:24:53.000 Instead, through truth.

00:24:55.000 It's through speaking.

00:24:57.000 Ex nihilo, speaking out of existence, right?

00:25:00.000 What does it say in Genesis 1?

00:25:01.000 God spoke it into existence, right?

00:25:03.000 God spoke it into existence.

00:25:05.000 So when we speak, we are embodying how truth itself came to this world.

00:25:11.000 That's why they want to get rid of speech so bad.

00:25:14.000 That's all of a sudden why they want to say, you can't say that on social media.

00:25:18.000 You can't say that on a college campus.

00:25:21.000 Because speaking is all that prevents us from tearing each other apart.

00:25:25.000 We take this for granted because when you speak, something interesting happens.

00:25:29.000 Nuance ends up happening.

00:25:31.000 You're able to actually understand the humanity in somebody else.

00:25:35.000 One of the lessons from Christ is he was never afraid to talk to anyone ever about anything.

00:25:41.000 They thought they could trip him up.

00:25:43.000 They thought they could put him in some sort of logical trap.

00:25:46.000 He was always 10 steps ahead.

00:25:47.000 Go figure.

00:25:49.000 Right?

00:25:52.000 And what's the lesson for us on that?

00:25:53.000 It's that the Christ-like way is to never be afraid of a discussion or a dialogue.

00:25:58.000 Who's afraid of discussion right now?

00:26:00.000 The predominant power structures in our country.

00:26:03.000 You can't talk on digital social media without getting kicked off anymore.

00:26:06.000 Can't talk on a university campus.

00:26:08.000 You can't even talk to a neighbor or a friend anymore, right?

00:26:12.000 Without losing those friendships, without someone calling you an awful name.

00:26:16.000 Why?

00:26:17.000 It's because they know that as soon as that conversation happens, their narrative might disappear.

00:26:24.000 Their narrative is very simple.

00:26:25.000 Half the country are racist, white supremacist militia people, and they must be destroyed at all costs.

00:26:32.000 It's that simple.

00:26:34.000 When you start talking and you start having dialogue and conversation, a lot of that extremist belief actually just kind of fades away.

00:26:42.000 That's why I'm a free speech absolutist.

00:26:45.000 I believe no matter, unless you are actually inciting, not this ridiculous new threshold of inciting imminent harm, you should be allowed to say it regardless of how nasty or how awful it is.

00:26:57.000 Now, it's so interesting, and you guys remember this back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, is that liberals used to be on the side of that.

00:27:04.000 They used to be the ones that say, you know what, we should be able to put a crucifix in a jar of urine, like awful things, right?

00:27:10.000 No, this is it.

00:27:11.000 Remember, those are the lawsuits they used to fight for because they're like, all speech is important.

00:27:17.000 That was always a lie.

00:27:19.000 They did that as a way to get into power.

00:27:22.000 They never believed in freedom of speech.

00:27:24.000 Now that when you want to become a Christian or you want to speak out for your Christian faith or conservative values, then they want to use the power they have to silence you.

00:27:36.000 So there's a couple different ways I could take this, and I do want to take some questions.

00:27:40.000 I don't want to, you know, meander.

00:27:42.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:27:43.000 So I could meander all day.

00:27:46.000 Yeah, so thank you.

00:27:48.000 So the interesting thing here is what we as believers have to do in this moment.

00:27:57.000 So in James 1, it says basically you should rejoice in persecution, not because of the, not that, oh yes, I'm so happy I'm suffering, but rejoice that the persecution is a test of your faith and that will produce more faith.

00:28:11.000 And so this is a moment for us, for the church, that we should be leaning into.

00:28:18.000 And I'm seeing a lot of pastors, my pastor Rob McCoy, out in Calvary Chapel, Thousand Oaks, who's doing an amazing job of this.

00:28:27.000 And let me prove to you how important politics is.

00:28:30.000 If some of you are still on the fence, like, I don't know how important politics is.

00:28:32.000 It's just kind of all the same.

00:28:34.000 You know, everyone's the same.

00:28:35.000 What you're doing right now would result in millions of dollars of fines to a fellow Calvary Chapel pastor right now in San Jose.

00:28:35.000 Let me prove it to you.

00:28:44.000 So Calvary Chapel, San Jose, Mike McClure, is facing $1.7 million in fines, the bank pulling his note, all because every single city council member around him, the governor, the supervisor of the county, believe that it should be illegal for the church to meet, but BLM incorporated abortion factories and cannabis dispensaries, all fine.

00:29:08.000 Liquor shops, home improvement stores.

00:29:10.000 So what has Mike McClure decided to do?

00:29:12.000 Mike McClure, Calvary Chapel, San Jose, continues to meet.

00:29:16.000 Continues to meet.

00:29:17.000 Now, some people say he's in defiance to Romans 13, which says to submit to all rulers of authority.

00:29:22.000 Hold on a second.

00:29:23.000 Who's the sovereign in our country?

00:29:25.000 We are.

00:29:27.000 We don't have a King Nero or Julius Caesar.

00:29:30.000 So as soon as our rights get violated, our natural rights, they're the ones that are violating Romans 13.

00:29:36.000 We aren't.

00:29:37.000 It's the supervisors, it's the local city council.

00:29:41.000 But here's the difference that politics makes.

00:29:44.000 If you are in San Jose versus Tucson, I know it might feel the same sometimes, but you guys in this state have still made better choices over the last couple decades, you'd have police officers for a different reason outside of the door.

00:29:58.000 You know what the police officer would be here doing?

00:30:00.000 They'd be taking your license plate numbers.

00:30:03.000 You're like, oh, wow, that's terrible.

00:30:05.000 Yeah.

00:30:06.000 You know how many Calvary Chapels have stood up for Mike?

00:30:09.000 Like 10?

00:30:10.000 There's hundreds and hundreds of Calvary chapels.

00:30:13.000 Most Christians don't care.

00:30:16.000 Most Christians don't care that Mike McClure is being persecuted for millions of dollars for doing what you're doing right now.

00:30:16.000 They don't.

00:30:24.000 And so this is going to be a reckoning moment right now in American Christianity.

00:30:27.000 And I think God is, he's calling our number.

00:30:31.000 You know what that is?

00:30:32.000 I have blessed you with budgets, baptisms, and buildings.

00:30:37.000 You guys talk about how much you believe in faith and you're ready for the persecution.

00:30:41.000 Let's see it.

00:30:42.000 And guess what?

00:30:43.000 We are miserably failing.

00:30:45.000 Miserably.

00:30:47.000 I tell you right now, there are more people that are secular that are standing up in defiance to tyrannical government than Christians.

00:30:53.000 And I struggle with that.

00:30:55.000 I really do.

00:30:56.000 Because I say, aren't we as Christians supposed to be the ones that don't actually care if we get persecuted?

00:31:01.000 We know how this story ends.

00:31:03.000 And I think the reason is this: that there's this belief that we're supposed to be non-confrontational at all costs.

00:31:09.000 That's number one.

00:31:11.000 That's not biblical in any way, shape, or form.

00:31:14.000 That doesn't mean you have to be a jerk.

00:31:15.000 I try to embody that in my videos and what I do on college campuses.

00:31:18.000 You could speak truth and be willing to endure whatever might happen to you because of that.

00:31:24.000 But the second part is this, and I would offer some grace.

00:31:27.000 I think a lot of Christians don't know how to engage in the political space.

00:31:31.000 I think some Christians are intimidated by the political space.

00:31:34.000 So here's something that I think every church in the country should do.

00:31:38.000 And this church is already doing this.

00:31:39.000 the podcasting, the events with Gruber and all this, is that the church needs to become the drumbeat of freedom in the country.

00:31:48.000 It needs to be the place where it's all we have left, literally.

00:31:58.000 And so we're seeing three different types of churches in the country right now.

00:32:03.000 Number one is churches like this.

00:32:06.000 And my encouragement to you guys is grow this.

00:32:08.000 Make it a monthly meeting where you call it an ecclesia night, where you talk about the news of today and how it compares to the Bible.

00:32:15.000 Oh, transgender, that one's not that hard.

00:32:18.000 Right?

00:32:18.000 You know, rule of law, that one's not, you know what I'm saying?

00:32:20.000 You go through and you just say what's in the news and how does it compare to that.

00:32:24.000 The second form of a church is the apathetic church, where they just don't care.

00:32:28.000 Where they're saying, yeah, it's not up to us.

00:32:30.000 It's up to us now to encourage those churches to lovingly look those pastors in the eye and to hopefully get them into an active posture.

00:32:40.000 But the third type of church, I wish was apathetic.

00:32:45.000 And this is a very important thing.

00:32:47.000 You see, there are more politically left-wing churches than politically conservative churches in the country.

00:32:55.000 And that might be stunning for you to hear.

00:32:58.000 But I visited churches all across the country and I go from the Chattanooga to Bangor, Maine, to Wisconsin to Texas.

00:33:04.000 And I say, what's happening politically in your churches?

00:33:07.000 And they say, well, we're one of the few that are open and speaking against this, but 90% of all the churches in our area are teaching critical race theory, BLM Incorporated, LGBT nonsense.

00:33:19.000 And I say, I totally believe you.

00:33:21.000 So there's two viruses happening in the country right now.

00:33:24.000 There's the Chinese coronavirus and there's the critical race theory virus.

00:33:29.000 The critical race theory virus has infected the American church.

00:33:34.000 The critical race theory virus is this, is that they believe firmly, it's a pathogen that started in the 1960s and 70s from a guy named Herbert Marcuse.

00:33:44.000 All your kids are learning this, by the way, in elementary school, in high school, in college.

00:33:48.000 And it is a racist idea.

00:33:51.000 This has infected corporate America.

00:33:53.000 This has infected our political dialogue, our churches, our seminaries.

00:33:57.000 And it is a belief of a couple things.

00:34:01.000 The first of which is that everything is actually racist.

00:34:06.000 Everything.

00:34:07.000 And this might be something you actually are starting to see them communicate to you.

00:34:11.000 But that this whole country is a white supremacist project.

00:34:17.000 The whole country.

00:34:18.000 And there is no way to undo it unless there is massive revolutionary Marxist policies.

00:34:28.000 This is being taught to kids that are four, five, six years old.

00:34:31.000 Now, by the way, they don't ever teach the actual history of our country, that we're the ones that led the abolition movement against slavery, that we are the ones that led the liberation of people of all colors and men and women.

00:34:46.000 That sort of history is never taught.

00:34:48.000 Instead, the entire way they teach history is through an oppressor and oppressed lens.

00:34:53.000 And it judges people based on skin color.

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00:35:48.000 So I actually grew up in an America nine years ago.

00:35:52.000 And this is what's so sick about this.

00:35:54.000 It really is.

00:35:55.000 And then I'm going to give some tough love to you guys.

00:35:57.000 I'm going to kind of give it back.

00:35:58.000 I'm going to first tell you what the problem is.

00:35:59.000 I'm going to tell you kind of how we got there.

00:36:01.000 It's so sick.

00:36:03.000 When I grew up in America, I was taught by my teachers in a liberal high school that skin color doesn't matter.

00:36:09.000 It was this amazing thing.

00:36:11.000 I went to a majority Hispanic high school in the suburbs of Chicago.

00:36:15.000 53% English as a second language.

00:36:17.000 Spanish was the predominant language at my high school.

00:36:20.000 And my teacher said, your skin color means nothing.

00:36:23.000 That how you act means everything.

00:36:25.000 Your character and your values matter.

00:36:27.000 And guess what?

00:36:28.000 We never had any racial problems in our school.

00:36:31.000 We had blacks, we had Hispanics, we had Asians, we had people from all across the world.

00:36:35.000 And we all got along.

00:36:36.000 And there were some kids that, of course, said maybe jokes they shouldn't have said.

00:36:40.000 You know how they wronged, you know, how they remedied that?

00:36:42.000 They went to the person who looked them in the eyes and they apologized like what a 15-year-old would do.

00:36:46.000 They didn't have white privilege, Robin DiAngelo, white fragility seminars.

00:36:50.000 It worked.

00:36:51.000 I could tell you it worked.

00:36:53.000 So now, fast forward nine years later, for the first time in your life and my life, we are now making racial regression in our country.

00:37:03.000 Where now that very same high school and what's happening in our country, we are now judging people based on skin color.

00:37:10.000 Let me be very clear: your skin color means nothing to me.

00:37:13.000 Nothing.

00:37:16.000 Your melanin content is irrelevant.

00:37:18.000 They don't believe that.

00:37:19.000 They believe that if you are a melanin content like I am, that I have privilege that I don't even realize.

00:37:26.000 I must apologize endlessly.

00:37:28.000 I must participate in the redistribution and I must atone for that.

00:37:32.000 This is so against the teaching of the Bible.

00:37:35.000 In fact, it's antithetical to the Bible.

00:37:37.000 It says clearly never slave nor Greek nor Jew were all free and the same in Christ Jesus.

00:37:44.000 Now, why would they do this?

00:37:46.000 Why?

00:37:47.000 Because, for good reason, they're using the Christian ethic against us.

00:37:52.000 Here's why.

00:37:53.000 Because I grew up in America believing that being called a racist was the worst thing you could be called.

00:37:59.000 And that's probably right.

00:38:01.000 It really is.

00:38:02.000 It's probably one of the worst things that you can be and be called.

00:38:06.000 And so my whole life was believing that I don't want to be called the R-word.

00:38:13.000 I'm sure a lot of you have felt this.

00:38:15.000 At all costs, I don't want to be called the R-word.

00:38:19.000 And so then they realized that there is a supply and demand problem for racism in our country.

00:38:27.000 An incredible demand to find racist, but a very, very low supply.

00:38:35.000 It's an inverted problem.

00:38:37.000 Like, there must be racism everywhere.

00:38:39.000 You can't find it that often because we're actually more decent than you might think.

00:38:43.000 Look at this church.

00:38:44.000 It's a multiracial church and people get along.

00:38:46.000 It's amazing.

00:38:47.000 They don't actually believe something like this can exist.

00:38:50.000 And so then they said, and they, I mean, the left and the Democrats and the academics, realized that a way to get power is to use that fear of being called the R-word in a totalitarian way.

00:39:04.000 At all costs, vote for us, give money to our corporations, put us in power, or else we're going to call you the R-word.

00:39:14.000 And that's exactly where we are today.

00:39:16.000 For good reason, you don't want to be called that word, but now it's baseless and it is without evidence just because of your existence.

00:39:23.000 And it's an amazing thing.

00:39:24.000 How do you prove a negative?

00:39:26.000 I've had a kid at a college campus say, Charlie, prove to me you're not a racist.

00:39:29.000 I see, what do I have to show every action I've ever done in the history of my life?

00:39:34.000 It's this guilty until proven innocent thing.

00:39:36.000 How can I prove that I'm not something?

00:39:38.000 It's like, prove to me you're not, you know, a dinosaur.

00:39:41.000 Like, I can't, right?

00:39:45.000 It's metaphysically impossible.

00:39:47.000 Instead, I always say, well, prove to me I am.

00:39:49.000 And they say, no, your existence as a white Christian straight male means you are automatically a racist until you prove otherwise.

00:39:58.000 And I say, okay, wait a second.

00:40:00.000 So I'm a racist unless I vote Democrat.

00:40:02.000 Let me just make sure I'm clear.

00:40:04.000 That's the only way to cleanse yourself of the accusation.

00:40:09.000 And it's true.

00:40:10.000 That's how they get power.

00:40:12.000 A lot of well-meaning people are now being bullied into behavior they don't believe because they don't want to be called the R-word.

00:40:21.000 And now let me be very clear.

00:40:22.000 There are racists in this country.

00:40:24.000 I've dealt with them.

00:40:26.000 Some of them have come to my events and I've confronted them in viral fashion, I might add.

00:40:32.000 And I have humiliated some of them.

00:40:38.000 They're very far and few between, let me tell you, because the same people kept on showing up at the same events.

00:40:46.000 I'm not minimizing it.

00:40:48.000 I'm not saying that we should validate it.

00:40:50.000 I'm saying the opposite.

00:40:52.000 I'm actually saying we're much more decent than we give ourselves credit for.

00:41:01.000 And let's get to the other part of it, is the system.

00:41:05.000 The broader indictment than they say is, okay, it's not about as much you because Charlie, I can't prove.

00:41:10.000 It's the system you represent.

00:41:13.000 It's free markets that are racist.

00:41:16.000 It's conservative values that are racist.

00:41:18.000 It's Christianity that's racist.

00:41:20.000 It's the whole American way of life that is racist because it was founded by racists.

00:41:26.000 We've already been through some of the incredibly important nuance when we talk about that.

00:41:32.000 But then why is it when Martin Luther King did the Civil Rights Act speech, he said, I am here to cash in a promissory note from the Declaration of Independence.

00:41:41.000 Martin Luther King didn't say, this declaration is a racist document.

00:41:44.000 Let's shred it.

00:41:45.000 He said, I want to fulfill the ideas.

00:41:46.000 I'm here to cash in on it.

00:41:48.000 He leaned on the founders.

00:41:50.000 He didn't stray away from it.

00:41:53.000 You look at just what's happening in our country right now.

00:41:58.000 A young black kid who is born to a two-parent household is much more likely to succeed than a white child raised by a single mother.

00:42:06.000 I think single mothers are modern-day heroes.

00:42:09.000 But the biblical nuclear family is the greatest way to keep children out of poverty, period.

00:42:14.000 Do you notice how we never talk about that anymore?

00:42:18.000 Do you notice how all we talk about is invisible racism, as if we have to go look, we're ghostbusters, we have to find things that can't exist.

00:42:27.000 Instead, there's something so obvious in front of us that 84% of black kids are being raised without fathers in the home.

00:42:35.000 84%.

00:42:37.000 Now, some people say, well, it's because of our racist white supremacist construct that that's the case.

00:42:43.000 I'll give you 24% of that.

00:42:44.000 Let me tell you why.

00:42:46.000 When the Civil Rights Act was passed, black single motherhood was at 24%.

00:42:51.000 Okay, I'll give you Jim Crow, segregation, poll tax, racism in the South that contributed 24% of black single motherhood.

00:43:00.000 I will agree to that.

00:43:01.000 Explain to me the rest of the 60% that as America got less racist, more black kids were raised without fathers.

00:43:07.000 How did that happen?

00:43:09.000 A couple reasons.

00:43:10.000 We subsidized single motherhood through the Great Society Act.

00:43:13.000 Number two, we glamorized and glorified a lifestyle that was, let's just say, promiscuous in nature of all races and cultures and creeds against the Bible.

00:43:25.000 And number three is that we never focused on it from a public policy position as the greatest way to prevent poverty in our country.

00:43:34.000 And so people, you could blame 24% of it for that.

00:43:38.000 Here's another good question that should be asked.

00:43:40.000 And I already said that a black child raised by a mother and a father, nuclear family, much higher likely to succeed than a white kid raised by a, if America was so unbelievably racist, which we're not, why is it that more black people have immigrated legally to this country since 1970 than ever came here as slaves?

00:43:57.000 Maybe because they see that there might be some form of opportunity here.

00:44:02.000 If America was so unbelievably racist, why is it that the blacks in our country are the 18th largest economy in the world?

00:44:11.000 Regardless of skin color, if you make three or four very basic decisions, you can succeed.

00:44:15.000 Now, I admit that there are problems to be able to get people to make these decisions.

00:44:21.000 And I'll get into that in a second.

00:44:22.000 But the decisions are this.

00:44:23.000 Find a job, any job.

00:44:25.000 Get married before you have kids.

00:44:27.000 Don't commit heinous crimes, right?

00:44:30.000 And graduate high school.

00:44:31.000 That's about it.

00:44:32.000 Those four things.

00:44:33.000 Now, what allows those things to happen?

00:44:37.000 Well, we know that when you have a mother and a father, they're an accountability measure and a disciplinary measure to make you do those things.

00:44:44.000 And that's less likely in the current environment.

00:44:46.000 So instead of saying we need a multi-trillion dollar reparation bill in our country, which by the way, it always, I never understand how the reparation argument can work.

00:44:56.000 They say that voter ID is racist, yet they think that you can go back nine generations with paperwork and claim that you came from slaves.

00:45:04.000 Like you can't show an ID to vote, but somehow you could show the paperwork to prove that you're ninth generation removed.

00:45:08.000 Like, isn't that racist to ask for that kind of?

00:45:11.000 What about the recent African immigrants?

00:45:13.000 They now have to go pay reparations to the whole thing's, what if you're half black, half white, you pay yourself?

00:45:18.000 Like, the whole thing is totally screwed up, right?

00:45:20.000 So that's completely illogical.

00:45:22.000 It is.

00:45:23.000 It's not rational.

00:45:24.000 Nothing the left talks about is rational.

00:45:27.000 So instead of saying we have to redistribute $84 trillion, whatever, how about this?

00:45:33.000 Let's get single motherhood from the black community from 84% to 50%.

00:45:38.000 That would be an admirable moonshot goal, right?

00:45:40.000 I'm telling you right now, crime, education rates, everything starts to autocorrect as soon as you bring fathers back into the home.

00:45:49.000 And let me be clear.

00:45:50.000 Part of this is on the fathers for being cowards, for abandoning the women that they were with.

00:45:55.000 And they should be treated as such and confronted in their communities and saying, why are you walking away from a decision that you made?

00:46:02.000 And you're leaving it to a woman that has to raise this child alone.

00:46:07.000 And so the other part of this that I think is very interesting is the hyper-fixation on things you cannot change.

00:46:17.000 The Bible tells us clearly that you should not focus on things that you cannot change.

00:46:23.000 Your skin color, your parents, where you come from.

00:46:26.000 Instead, it's who are you?

00:46:29.000 And if we are now wanting to make a decision as a society that who you are is how you look like, that is such an unbelievable disservice to the America that I grew up in.

00:46:37.000 And I'm 27 years old.

00:46:39.000 So how did we get here?

00:46:41.000 That's the question.

00:46:43.000 So I'm going to give some tough love and then we can do some questions, okay?

00:46:45.000 But I mean this lovingly.

00:46:47.000 When the Berlin Wall fell, I was not even born yet.

00:46:51.000 You guys remember when the Berlin Wall fell?

00:46:54.000 George H.W. Bush made a mistake.

00:46:57.000 You know what he did after the Berlin Wall fell?

00:47:00.000 Nothing.

00:47:02.000 His advisors later said to Peggy Noonan that he did not give a speech celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall because he didn't want to rub it in.

00:47:11.000 I think he made a terrible mistake.

00:47:13.000 Because that at that moment, in my opinion, was one of the climaxes and high thresholds of American life.

00:47:20.000 We had defeated multiple totalitarian, authoritarian governments throughout the 20th century.

00:47:26.000 Last one without having to go to war, without having to fire a nuclear missile, and our ideas won, and our values won, and we saw the Berlin wall fall.

00:47:35.000 But what happened is this: my parents' generation, and many people and you guys in this room, when that Berlin wall fell, you celebrated, you enjoyed, and you said, okay, we won.

00:47:48.000 I can go back to my life.

00:47:50.000 That our ideas are superior.

00:47:53.000 We have the greatest country.

00:47:54.000 We're going to enjoy the 90s.

00:47:55.000 We're going to build families.

00:47:56.000 I was born in 93.

00:47:58.000 I know a lot of you were too.

00:47:59.000 What did the left do as soon as that wall fell?

00:48:03.000 They took advantage of our complacency and our apathy.

00:48:06.000 They knew that American conservatives, you guys were in a posture for action in the 80s.

00:48:12.000 Reagan was keeping that drum beat going, right?

00:48:15.000 You guys were doing even bomb drills all throughout the 70s and early 80s.

00:48:20.000 But as soon as that wall fell, you said, We won against communism and socialism.

00:48:24.000 We have nothing to worry about.

00:48:25.000 And in the 90s, you were right.

00:48:27.000 They didn't control anything in the 90s.

00:48:30.000 Colleges were bad, but they weren't like they were now.

00:48:33.000 Colleges were still a place where you have ideas and conservative professors and the Constitution was respected.

00:48:37.000 How about corporations?

00:48:39.000 Corporations were on the conservative side in the 90s.

00:48:43.000 Tech companies, internet companies, they were generally free market.

00:48:47.000 Silicon Valley had little to no power.

00:48:50.000 27 years later, from when I've been born, we are now living in the America that the left created that we let them.

00:49:00.000 We did not run for school boards.

00:49:02.000 We did not take these positions seriously.

00:49:04.000 We sent our kids to college out asking the right questions, and now we're living in that America.

00:49:07.000 So now we have to take a pause.

00:49:08.000 We have to say, boy, that's a long strategic plan to implement, isn't it?

00:49:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:13.000 One of the problems of how we do politics is instant gratification.

00:49:16.000 I expect results.

00:49:17.000 I expect it right now.

00:49:18.000 And so the question is, what are we now going to do to rechart our course?

00:49:21.000 So now maybe 27 years from today, we still have a country.

00:49:25.000 And I don't say that lightly.

00:49:27.000 Because that's the America that my generation and the kids younger than me are going to have to live in.

00:49:33.000 So what are the decisions we're making right now, like the decisions they made after the wall fell?

00:49:37.000 Because this is our wall-falling moment.

00:49:40.000 Trump loses, you lose the Senate, you lose the Senate seats here.

00:49:44.000 That's the equivalent of the depression that the Bolsheviks felt when the wall fell.

00:49:50.000 So now what are we doing about it?

00:49:52.000 Well, tough love.

00:49:53.000 I find a lot of people giving up.

00:49:56.000 And I get it.

00:49:57.000 Just cut it out.

00:49:59.000 Seriously.

00:50:00.000 If I get one more email from somebody saying I'm giving up and all this, I say, move to Paris.

00:50:05.000 That's all they do.

00:50:06.000 Okay?

00:50:07.000 Seriously.

00:50:09.000 They have a whole culture around celebrating surrender.

00:50:12.000 Seriously.

00:50:13.000 That's what they've invented.

00:50:15.000 Two things in France, the tourniquet and the white flag.

00:50:17.000 You can go there and really, no, seriously.

00:50:20.000 And really, really bad philosophy and bad ideas.

00:50:24.000 We here in America have always been different.

00:50:28.000 We've always been people that have understood a threat, took a pause, analyzed the landscape, and went after it.

00:50:34.000 So what does that look like?

00:50:35.000 That's again why I'm here today.

00:50:38.000 The left fears an active church.

00:50:40.000 They know the numbers.

00:50:42.000 They're not dumb.

00:50:43.000 There's a reason why Biden over-religialized his swearing-in ceremony, right?

00:50:47.000 There's a reason why Biden was careful not to go after religion as much as the other Democrats.

00:50:52.000 He knows if he can hedge six or seven percent of the Christian world in his way about being the nice guy, they're in power indefinitely.

00:51:00.000 But he also knows that if that thing swings 10 or 15 percent, they're never going to win anything ever again.

00:51:05.000 So the question is: this is what do we do?

00:51:07.000 It's from the education of our children, from building new things, being active in our communities, and getting our churches and our pastors to be activists.

00:51:14.000 And that's exactly why I'm here today.

00:51:16.000 Is that okay?

00:51:16.000 So let's do some questions.

00:51:17.000 So, okay.

00:51:27.000 Blue.

00:51:28.000 Wow.

00:51:29.000 Check, check.

00:51:30.000 All right.

00:51:32.000 I'll stand here and ask you.

00:51:33.000 Okay.

00:51:34.000 Questions?

00:51:36.000 It's like a deposition or something.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, there we go.

00:51:38.000 Well, if you get the right answer, I'll give you a turning point sticker.

00:51:41.000 Thank you.

00:51:41.000 All right, cool.

00:51:43.000 All right, the first question is, are your political stances and beliefs rooted in the Bible?

00:51:51.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:51:52.000 So I'm a Christian first.

00:51:54.000 I'm an American second, a constitutionalist third, then a conservative, and then I vote Republican.

00:52:01.000 I won't even call myself a Republican.

00:52:02.000 Like, I vote, I don't vote Democrat, let's put it that way.

00:52:06.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:52:07.000 From my views on immigration to abortion to my views on the rule of law to views of due process, everything is rooted in the Bible.

00:52:14.000 And look, the Bible is the source of the liberty that we enjoy today.

00:52:19.000 It's that simple.

00:52:20.000 And there is not one public policy position that I would argue for that is not consistent with the teachings of the Bible.

00:52:29.000 That's a good answer.

00:52:30.000 That's a good answer.

00:52:32.000 There's one sticker for you.

00:52:33.000 There you go.

00:52:34.000 All right.

00:52:35.000 Why is it important to come to church?

00:52:38.000 Oh, coming to, I mean, first of all, it says it very clearly in the scriptures not to forsake the gathering of believers.

00:52:45.000 But also, you know, actually physically being in church together is incredibly important.

00:52:50.000 I think this whole new YouTube live stream stuff as just only the way to do church, I think it's a bunch of nonsense.

00:52:57.000 That's my opinion.

00:52:58.000 And there's a reason for that.

00:53:00.000 It's because somebody here today is going to see somebody else and fellowship will happen.

00:53:06.000 And maybe that person needed to get counseling or guidance on something.

00:53:10.000 Maybe that person is looking for a job.

00:53:11.000 Maybe that person needs their kids to be picked up from school.

00:53:14.000 That's the community of the church that's just missing if it just becomes a YouTube live stream.

00:53:18.000 And so everything in a mature society, and we become an immature society, is about weighing costs and benefits.

00:53:26.000 So what's the cost of having church?

00:53:29.000 The cost of having church is that you're all together in a room and you know what that means.

00:53:35.000 Some of you might be vaccinated.

00:53:36.000 Some of you might not believe in the vaccine.

00:53:38.000 Some of you are wearing masks.

00:53:39.000 That's what liberty is about.

00:53:39.000 That's all fine.

00:53:40.000 You guys all know the cost.

00:53:42.000 But what we fail to ever talk about is the cost of not having church.

00:53:46.000 It's such an obvious thing, right?

00:53:48.000 That's a mature society.

00:53:50.000 It's as if shutting down church was nothing but benefits.

00:53:55.000 And quite honestly, here's the thought exercise for you, which I think is really interesting.

00:53:59.000 How many churches would open their doors tomorrow if they did not have the ability to live stream?

00:54:06.000 If they did not have the ability to live stream and still get tithes and offerings, would they open their church?

00:54:11.000 And the answer is, of course they would.

00:54:13.000 It's not because of the excuse they give.

00:54:17.000 It's because they currently are in a comfortable position.

00:54:19.000 That's why.

00:54:20.000 And I'm a believer that what you're doing right now dates back thousands of years of how church is supposed to be.

00:54:27.000 And again, I'm not attacking.

00:54:29.000 If you're watching on the live stream and you have pre-existing underlying health conditions and you're making the choice using your liberty, God bless you.

00:54:36.000 And I mean that, because that's what liberty is all about.

00:54:38.000 And I have never, ever condemned anyone that watches using the live stream mechanism.

00:54:43.000 But here's the thing that people don't understand.

00:54:45.000 You guys were probably live streaming your services before the virus, too.

00:54:49.000 It's not, it's...

00:54:50.000 You weren't?

00:54:51.000 Okay.

00:54:51.000 No?

00:54:51.000 Well, most churches were.

00:54:53.000 We were weird.

00:54:54.000 We were weird.

00:54:56.000 Most churches were, because of that reason.

00:54:57.000 But I understand the risks for certain people.

00:55:00.000 But you have to understand the costs of what the lockdowns have done in our country.

00:55:03.000 And let me just say this.

00:55:04.000 The lockdowns will go down as one of the worst decisions ever made in Western civilization.

00:55:10.000 From the suicides to the drug usage to the alcoholism to all of it.

00:55:16.000 And I completely understand the threat of the virus.

00:55:20.000 I understand that for a certain portion of the population, it's a very, very real thing.

00:55:25.000 But if you do not weigh that with the cost of a lockdown on what it's done to an entire generation to stunt their development, that is the sort of mature conversation that was completely missing from the last nine months.

00:55:39.000 I've done my best to try to contribute to it, but I'm a believer in this, is that liberty requires responsibility.

00:55:46.000 So, for example, there are certain age groups where you do not trust them with the responsibility to have liberty.

00:55:54.000 A great example is you do not trust a six-year-old to drive in your Dodge Durango, right?

00:55:59.000 They have to earn that liberty with responsibility.

00:56:04.000 Basically, if you want no responsibility, therefore no liberty, it's no different than being in prison.

00:56:10.000 Three meals a day, a little bit of sunlight, confined to your own space.

00:56:15.000 Now, what's amazing about liberty is if you want to just stay in your home, you can also do that.

00:56:20.000 It's not as if we were ever arguing that there must be a government mandate for everyone to assemble.

00:56:25.000 It's not like I was saying the police will come and drag you out of your home.

00:56:29.000 It's simply saying allow people to leave their home.

00:56:32.000 And that is it.

00:56:34.000 That is a completely different way of governing than the Europeans or the traditional socialistic model.

00:56:41.000 And I will also say this.

00:56:42.000 This is a tough conversation for people to have.

00:56:44.000 Liberty has costs.

00:56:47.000 This is something that, for whatever reason, we've decided to just ignore.

00:56:51.000 Driving kills 50,000 people a year.

00:56:55.000 I just drove from Phoenix to here.

00:56:56.000 I was able to get here in an hour and 38 minutes because Mikey drove very, very fast.

00:57:01.000 However, the speed limit was, you know, we were probably going 80, 85, maybe a little bit higher.

00:57:08.000 Just on the law of averages, a couple dozen people every couple years will die driving from Phoenix to Tucson.

00:57:16.000 Why don't we make the speed limit 15 miles an hour?

00:57:19.000 Seriously.

00:57:20.000 That would save those people's lives.

00:57:22.000 The reason that we do not have a 15-mile an hour speed limit is because we want to have the liberty to be able to go from Phoenix to Tucson in an hour and 38 minutes.

00:57:33.000 But if we were all about safety, safetyism, it'd be a 15-mile an hour speed limit, and it would be the same as just taking a horse-drawn carriage.

00:57:42.000 And we laugh for good reason because we understand that liberty has a cost.

00:57:48.000 We fooled ourselves otherwise this last year.

00:57:51.000 That you could shut everything down and you could be totally safe and we're going to take care of you.

00:57:55.000 Nonsense.

00:57:56.000 There's so much liberty that we allow in our society for good reason because the benefit of the liberty outweighs the costs.

00:58:10.000 Do you support lockdowns?

00:58:15.000 It's a good one.

00:58:21.000 All right, should kids go to college these days?

00:58:23.000 That's a great question.

00:58:24.000 So I'm actually writing a whole book on that.

00:58:27.000 That's actually probably going to be my next book.

00:58:29.000 I'm going to make it overly provocative for a reason where I'm just basically going to say don't go.

00:58:33.000 But it's probably overly, though.

00:58:35.000 But let me say this.

00:58:36.000 We have too many kids going to college, way too many kids going to four-year college.

00:58:39.000 And if you are not going for a specific skill and cannot justify the financial burden, I highly encourage high school kids to take a breather before you go.

00:58:48.000 Now, if permission to make this a little bit more of an extended answer, because this applies to I don't know how much time we have or whatever.

00:58:55.000 Okay, so the college cartel that I call it is the biggest scam in America today.

00:59:03.000 It is.

00:59:04.000 Actually, the cartel thing works better here than in most places across the country.

00:59:09.000 Most people are like, cartel?

00:59:11.000 I saw Narcos.

00:59:12.000 I don't really know what that is.

00:59:13.000 Like, no.

00:59:14.000 Cartel is something that I think is a little close to home here, so works perfectly.

00:59:18.000 Okay, so look, we have a whole generation of kids that are borrowing money they don't have to study things that don't matter to find jobs that don't exist, right?

00:59:27.000 And so everyone knows in this room, yet very few people say it, I'm happy to say it, that college is way too expensive, the class sizes are too big, the value is not worth it, yet we keep on sending kids there.

00:59:39.000 Why?

00:59:39.000 People say I don't have other options.

00:59:41.000 I'll talk about that in a second.

00:59:43.000 The reason is, and if I asked many parents in this room, they'd say, well, Charlie, my kid can't get a job without that piece of paper.

00:59:51.000 Okay, that's a different value proposition than what they're selling at the university, though.

00:59:56.000 They're selling sometimes $100,000 in debt to go find yourself for four years to then get the piece of paper to find a job.

01:00:05.000 Something here is incredibly broken.

01:00:07.000 It's not four years.

01:00:08.000 And it could be longer than four years at times.

01:00:10.000 It could be five years or six years or seven years.

01:00:13.000 So here's the first thing I'll say: is that we have to stop asking high school kids, where are you going to college?

01:00:19.000 You should ask them, why are you going to college?

01:00:22.000 If the answer for why you're going to college is, I want to be X, I want to be a doctor, I want to be a lawyer, I want to be an engineer, and this place is able to get me a skill, good answer.

01:00:34.000 The next question should be, what is your financial model to get debt-free in five years or less?

01:00:39.000 If they cannot be debt-free in five years or less, they should not go.

01:00:41.000 It's that simple.

01:00:42.000 Debt is the slavery, the free do not bank on some sort of student loan forgiveness nonsense being pushed by the federal government.

01:00:47.000 It's immoral.

01:00:48.000 It's not right.

01:00:49.000 And it's not right to the people that didn't go to college and paid their way through college.

01:00:52.000 It punishes good behavior.

01:00:53.000 It subsidizes debt, first of all.

01:00:56.000 So the other question is this.

01:01:00.000 The other question you should ask is, why are you going to college?

01:01:02.000 Now, if they say this, well, I'm going to Stanford.

01:01:07.000 I'll use a good example, like a good school, right?

01:01:09.000 I'm going to Stanford.

01:01:10.000 Why?

01:01:11.000 Well, they have a good sports team, nice campus, you know, good people.

01:01:16.000 Red flag should be going up.

01:01:17.000 Fire alarm.

01:01:18.000 Bad reason to go.

01:01:20.000 And then it really comes down to say, what if you didn't go?

01:01:22.000 And there's some tough love for you guys.

01:01:24.000 Oh, my parents wouldn't let me not go.

01:01:27.000 Many kids go to college because their parents are pushing them to go to college.

01:01:31.000 Let me tell you what happens when the Tucson student ends up going to Palo Alto and Stanford.

01:01:36.000 The mom moves him in to the Stanford dorm.

01:01:39.000 She gets her Stanford mom bumper stickers.

01:01:41.000 She's super excited.

01:01:42.000 She moves them in.

01:01:43.000 She realizes like the boys' dorms and the girls' dorms are like right next to each other.

01:01:47.000 Completely ignores it.

01:01:48.000 Starts to see BLM flags, LGBTQ flags, ignores that too.

01:01:52.000 Comes back to Tucson.

01:01:53.000 The kid comes back for Thanksgiving.

01:01:54.000 Like, oh, hey, honey, how is Stanford?

01:01:56.000 It's like, well, actually, I'm non-binary now, and I don't celebrate Thanksgiving.

01:02:01.000 It's Thanksgiving.

01:02:01.000 It's People's Indigenous Day.

01:02:03.000 And did the turkey actually consent to being killed?

01:02:05.000 Because that looks pretty brutal and awful.

01:02:06.000 You're like, what happened?

01:02:10.000 It's been three months, and you've turned into like a little activist, right?

01:02:15.000 And you have to understand the university system is about training activists.

01:02:20.000 If you're going for a specific reason, engineer, doctor, lawyer, get there, leave as quickly as possible, get the piece of paper, get the skills, graduate debt-free.

01:02:28.000 God bless you.

01:02:29.000 But a vast, vast majority of people that go to college, they're going to college not for that reason.

01:02:33.000 They're going to go find themselves.

01:02:35.000 Great place to lose yourself, by the way.

01:02:37.000 There's no wisdom in college unless you go to Hillsdale.

01:02:40.000 And Hillsdale is great.

01:02:42.000 They study the great books.

01:02:43.000 They dive deep into it.

01:02:44.000 I take the Hillsdale online lectures and courses.

01:02:46.000 They're phenomenal.

01:02:47.000 You do too?

01:02:47.000 Awesome.

01:02:49.000 They are the minority, the minority.

01:02:50.000 Grand Canyon does a pretty good job, too.

01:02:51.000 I just met with the president.

01:02:52.000 They're really going out of their way to do a good job there.

01:02:54.000 They really are.

01:02:56.000 But understand, that is the vast minority of colleges.

01:03:00.000 So what I'm trying to do is provocatively be the, I've looked along the landscape.

01:03:04.000 I'm like, everyone believes this, but no one's saying it.

01:03:06.000 It kind of feels like the housing bubble in 2006.

01:03:09.000 Like everyone's like, so why does the Chili's waitress have like two mansions down the street?

01:03:14.000 And everyone's like, ah, housing, like it just works.

01:03:16.000 And all of a sudden it blows up and everyone's like, yeah, I knew it.

01:03:18.000 Like you didn't know anything, okay?

01:03:19.000 Like we were all seeing it, but we're not saying it.

01:03:21.000 That's what college is.

01:03:23.000 And so the one thing that I just, I encourage you right now, two things, actually.

01:03:28.000 Number one, do not treat people that don't go to college as dumb.

01:03:33.000 It's a very important thing.

01:03:35.000 So I spoke, and I've seen this firsthand.

01:03:37.000 I spoke at a very, very wealthy neighborhood in Chicago, okay?

01:03:41.000 And there's an audience just like this, but very high, very, very high income, driving Maseratis and Ferraris and Porsche's all in there.

01:03:48.000 It's fine.

01:03:48.000 And I made a joke, but I didn't mean it as a joke, but they did.

01:03:52.000 I said, I'm sure a lot of you guys don't want your kids to become plumbers.

01:03:55.000 And they laughed.

01:03:56.000 And I said, exactly.

01:03:58.000 You would rather have your kid become a liberal than a plumber.

01:04:01.000 You would rather have your kid go to Harvard and study a bunch of garbage, be unemployed and work at Starbucks than have to be a person that works with their hands.

01:04:08.000 We in our family, we don't do that.

01:04:10.000 That's the problem, is that parents look at this like, well, I don't want my kid to be a carpenter.

01:04:14.000 By the way, you want to talk about where the jobs are?

01:04:16.000 It's in HVAC plumber.

01:04:18.000 We need more people that work with their hands and less people that throw around bad ideas.

01:04:22.000 It would save the country in a generation.

01:04:25.000 And so that's number one.

01:04:29.000 And then number two is this, which is allow more flexibility and allow more space for a high school kid to be able to take a pause before they have to go somewhere.

01:04:41.000 Gap years, community college, military police officer, whatever it is.

01:04:46.000 That's the one time where they have unlimited energy and zero liabilities.

01:04:51.000 Think about that.

01:04:53.000 When else in your life will you have energy, ambition, idealism, and no liabilities?

01:04:58.000 What do I mean by liabilities?

01:05:00.000 You don't have to do something to provide for somebody else.

01:05:03.000 So what do we do with our greatest asset?

01:05:05.000 That's our greatest.

01:05:06.000 When you think about it, your 18-year-olds are your greatest asset.

01:05:09.000 They are clear thinking.

01:05:11.000 They have tons of energy.

01:05:12.000 We go put them in a system that will immediately give them liabilities by the moment they walk in.

01:05:18.000 And so I didn't go to college.

01:05:20.000 And so for me, that was the right decision.

01:05:23.000 And I could tell you this, you learn as much as you want to learn in America.

01:05:27.000 And this idea that you must go through college, understand the great books or to understand the big ideas is an absolute lie.

01:05:35.000 You can, through autodidactic study, learn almost anything now thanks to the internet age.

01:05:40.000 You can go find experts and ask them questions.

01:05:42.000 The real question is this: are we going to become a society with how we educate our best and brightest, our young people, based on saying we need them to have a piece of paper or we want to go create good people?

01:05:54.000 And so what college is supposed to be in its ideal form is saying, we are going to tease you that there's beauty and truth in the world, and I'm going to teach you how to be.

01:06:06.000 I'm going to teach you how to act.

01:06:08.000 Aristotle said there's two types of wisdom.

01:06:10.000 Wisdom is the knowledge of all things eternal.

01:06:12.000 There's practical wisdom and there's eternal wisdom.

01:06:16.000 So practical wisdom is basically I know a bunch of state capitals or I know geography.

01:06:21.000 Those things can change, right?

01:06:23.000 Eternal wisdom is how do I act?

01:06:26.000 What do I do?

01:06:27.000 Colleges teach you none of that.

01:06:28.000 It teaches you the opposite.

01:06:30.000 It says there's no beauty.

01:06:31.000 There's no truth.

01:06:32.000 There's nothing but nihilistic power struggles.

01:06:34.000 Go do what fits your own hedonistic desires.

01:06:36.000 Go indulge yourself with your own substances.

01:06:38.000 And guess what?

01:06:39.000 It creates miserable people.

01:06:41.000 And so I'm a little bit of a critic against college.

01:06:51.000 You know, speaking of the plumbers, carpentry, those types of jobs, think about how much worse the lockdowns would have been if we didn't have those people doing those jobs.

01:07:01.000 Imagine life without plumbers.

01:07:02.000 I mean, it would be...

01:07:03.000 No, seriously.

01:07:04.000 I mean, we, Because of the way Obama treated that one guy, Joe the Plumber, and just everything that fell out of it, we have turned plumbing into a pejorative.

01:07:13.000 And it's just a small example of a broader point, which is what an amazing group of people that did not need to go to college.

01:07:20.000 They earn a really good wage.

01:07:21.000 I mean, they're earning $120 an hour right now in Phoenix.

01:07:23.000 You can't find a plumber.

01:07:25.000 And I'm sure there's be a lot of graduates from the University of Arizona that would love that type of a wage.

01:07:31.000 All right.

01:07:32.000 What can we as Arizonans do to help ensure voter integrity?

01:07:36.000 Yeah, it's a great point.

01:07:37.000 Great question.

01:07:37.000 So I just had a whole podcast on this with Congressman Paul Gosar on my show.

01:07:43.000 And so, look, the way we do elections in our country has dramatically changed because they used the Chinese coronavirus to actually put in universal mail-in voting.

01:07:52.000 Arizona had a lot of problems with the way that you guys did your last election.

01:07:57.000 Here's the thing, though.

01:07:58.000 It's going to be a government, hopefully, of and by and for the people.

01:08:02.000 Every person in this room should be relentlessly contacting your state legislatures and your governor demanding election integrity measures.

01:08:09.000 I could tell you from everything that I've seen and I've done, there was a lot of problems with how the process unfolded here in Arizona.

01:08:17.000 We're still uncovering the specifics of that.

01:08:19.000 I just think here, we need a full audit.

01:08:21.000 We need a forensic review of everything that has happened.

01:08:24.000 And then beyond that, you cannot have massive changes in how you do voting months before an election.

01:08:30.000 That should be a very obvious thing.

01:08:33.000 And yet they did, and it caused a lot of chaos and a lot of disruption.

01:08:37.000 I am of the belief that here in Arizona, because of the mail-in, the signature verification, the problems, the fact it took them a week and a half to count all the ballots, there's just something very third world about that.

01:08:49.000 I mean, and that should be considered unacceptable for anyone that lives in Arizona.

01:08:54.000 It's an all-Republican legislature.

01:08:56.000 And so, and here's the deeper point of it, though, and I see a lot of you nodding your head, which is exactly right.

01:09:01.000 I have a fear about this, though, that if we don't get the kind of reform that we need, we're going to lose faith in our system altogether.

01:09:07.000 And then what happens next is not good, right?

01:09:10.000 Is that people don't vote.

01:09:11.000 They start to compartmentalize themselves off.

01:09:13.000 So my advice to you is let's take an active posture in this.

01:09:16.000 I've been on the phone with state legislators and state senators almost every day the last couple weeks here in Arizona and Georgia, pressuring them to do the right thing.

01:09:25.000 There's a lot of specific measures, but just to be very specific, it's this.

01:09:28.000 Why can't Arizona have elections done as seamlessly as the state of Florida?

01:09:33.000 Florida has a larger population, has a more elderly population, has more mail-in voting.

01:09:39.000 This is not a political issue, by the way.

01:09:41.000 Democrats have even said that Florida's system works amazingly.

01:09:44.000 When you have fair and free elections, what happened in Florida?

01:09:47.000 All their results were in by 9.30 Eastern.

01:09:50.000 Trump won by 400,000 votes, and you flipped three congressional seats.

01:09:54.000 Now, I'm not saying that that's the only reason it happened, but I'm a resident of Florida, and I could tell you, I have faced that when I went and voted in Florida, that my ballot was going to get counted.

01:10:04.000 So what did that give?

01:10:05.000 That gave me, I was bought into the system.

01:10:08.000 And I'm afraid that people in Arizona are now questioning it for good reason.

01:10:12.000 So the ask should be very simple.

01:10:13.000 Dear Representative Mr. Smith, why don't we do elections the way Florida does?

01:10:18.000 We're a smaller state.

01:10:19.000 They're a bigger state.

01:10:20.000 We should be able to do it.

01:10:27.000 Should we, as Christians, leave social media because of the censorship, or should we stand our ground?

01:10:32.000 It's a great question.

01:10:34.000 It depends if you're a publisher or if you're someone that actually consumes the information.

01:10:42.000 I could give a whole speech.

01:10:43.000 I could have given a different speech on how I think smartphones are destroying humanity, which I really think they are.

01:10:48.000 And so I encourage every young person out there to take at least one day a week of a social media Sabbath.

01:10:54.000 I think that social media is so chemically addictive.

01:10:56.000 It's engaged in surveillance capitalism.

01:10:58.000 For parents and grandparents out there, I don't think a kid should get a smartphone until they're 17 or 18.

01:11:03.000 I didn't.

01:11:04.000 I turned out just fine.

01:11:05.000 I think that it's so una smartphone can be more destructive than giving your child heroin or cocaine.

01:11:14.000 I don't say that lightly.

01:11:15.000 It is that chemically addictive.

01:11:16.000 It is that terrible and awful.

01:11:18.000 It's wired to have you have certain dopamine rushes and highs and lows.

01:11:23.000 So be very, very careful with that.

01:11:25.000 But should we leave social media?

01:11:26.000 If you're a publisher like I am, I'm not going to leave social media until they kick me off because there's an audience that I want to communicate to.

01:11:32.000 But if you do not publish and you just consume information, then you should leave.

01:11:36.000 Does that make sense?

01:11:37.000 Go find the other.

01:11:38.000 So I'm not leaving anytime soon.

01:11:40.000 That would be silly.

01:11:41.000 There's a lot of minds, millions of people that I think want to see my content that are still searching.

01:11:45.000 And they're so that for me, it doesn't make sense.

01:11:47.000 But if you're out there and you say, I go to social media to consume, not to publish as much, then you should go to other places like Telegram.

01:11:54.000 Hopefully Parlor comes back.

01:11:56.000 But just understand this, that you are the product when you use social media.

01:12:01.000 They're selling you.

01:12:03.000 They're selling you to other companies.

01:12:05.000 They're selling your behavior to sell push ads to big companies that they monetize your activity.

01:12:11.000 And I'm telling you, these 12 and 13 and 14 year olds, I'm going to be honest, I'm like, you should not have a phone.

01:12:17.000 And I mean, like, you have so much humanity that is just being destroyed by people that hate you.

01:12:22.000 These are godless, secular, nihilistic, multi-trillionaires that look as your children, no different than people look at a coal mine.

01:12:31.000 They just want to extract your kids' time and sell it so they can get another $100 billion for their net worth.

01:12:36.000 It's so sinister, everybody.

01:12:38.000 And so why play into that?

01:12:40.000 And people say, well, their friends have it.

01:12:42.000 It doesn't matter.

01:12:43.000 Be the one that says you don't need it.

01:12:44.000 Like, go play outside.

01:12:45.000 That's something I did when I was 12.

01:12:48.000 I know.

01:12:48.000 No, but I meet these 13-year-olds and it's like they never heard of the imagination we used to have when we were 12 years old.

01:12:56.000 I actually think it's one of the reasons why I can think so clearly at my age.

01:12:59.000 And I meet some of these 18-year-olds, it's like, I have to break through this.

01:13:03.000 Get rid of that.

01:13:04.000 Just smash it and just like, you know, and of course, everything comes with a blessing and curse, right?

01:13:08.000 You can communicate more easily.

01:13:09.000 You can get more information.

01:13:10.000 I get all that.

01:13:11.000 But I think that the way that the platforms have been designed is that we don't even realize the damage it's done to our civil society.

01:13:23.000 You want to get your kids back outside?

01:13:25.000 Throw them a book of matches.

01:13:29.000 Fire.

01:13:29.000 Gets them outside every time.

01:13:31.000 All right.

01:13:32.000 A couple more questions for sure.

01:13:33.000 Sure.

01:13:34.000 Do you plan to have a connection with Biden like you did with Trump?

01:13:37.000 You know, it's, yeah.

01:13:40.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:13:42.000 I offered, I mean this, and I don't say this jokingly.

01:13:45.000 I really want him to succeed because I love my country.

01:13:48.000 I'm not going to be like the Democrats that were actually hoping Trump failed.

01:13:52.000 When I see virus rates go down, I'm actually happy.

01:13:55.000 I don't care if he gets credit for it.

01:13:56.000 I'll beat him on other stuff.

01:13:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:58.000 Like, the point is that I actually want him to be a good president.

01:14:02.000 He's proven to go back on every single promise that he's made on unity and healing and bringing together.

01:14:08.000 But I want the economy to roar.

01:14:09.000 I don't want to go to a recession so I can get back in power, like Bill Maher said.

01:14:12.000 Remember, he said that about Trump?

01:14:14.000 I hope a recession happens so I get back into power.

01:14:17.000 And if he asked me to meet, I would take the opportunity in a second.

01:14:21.000 I would.

01:14:21.000 He probably obviously wouldn't.

01:14:23.000 But I'm going to hold him accountable to his own inaugural address.

01:14:28.000 His own inaugural address is that we're all unified.

01:14:30.000 It's time to come together.

01:14:31.000 And then he uses the apparatus of power to have men go to women's locker rooms, destroy the Keystone pipeline, Dakota Access Pipeline, no new fracking on federal grounds, a variety of executive orders that aren't about healing or unity.

01:14:45.000 And I ask him a very simple question.

01:14:46.000 And this is a really good point to bring up to your liberal friends.

01:14:49.000 When was the last time Biden had to look in the eyes of someone that voted for Donald Trump?

01:14:54.000 Because I could tell you, Donald Trump had a look in the eyes of someone that voted for Hillary Clinton every day.

01:15:00.000 So if you don't ever have to actually look at the human being that supported your political opponent, don't give me one sentence or iota about unity.

01:15:07.000 And so if I met with Biden, my message would be very clear.

01:15:10.000 It's like, I love my country more than I love politics.

01:15:13.000 I hope you govern from the middle.

01:15:14.000 Why aren't you?

01:15:15.000 Why aren't you courting actual, not Mitt Romney people, okay?

01:15:19.000 I'm talking about real conservatives.

01:15:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:21.000 Like actual conservatives.

01:15:23.000 I'm talking about people that believe this stuff and they're not just transactional Washington, D.C. types.

01:15:28.000 Now, Joe Biden, if you want to be a Woodrow Wilson, if you want to be an LBJ or an FDR or an Obama where you say one thing and do another, then you better start talking about that and then we'll act appropriately.

01:15:38.000 But I'm going to hold you accountable with believing he's going to break this promise because I'm far too cynical to believe politicians tell the truth.

01:15:45.000 However, I'm going to hold out hope that maybe there might be an iota that he actually means what he says.

01:15:51.000 That he said in his inaugural address that we are going to have the greatest moment of unity and healing.

01:15:55.000 We must come together.

01:15:56.000 This whole thing about, and I've seen none of it.

01:15:59.000 And so if I, if I, of course, I don't, I don't imagine having a close relationship with him, obviously, you know, but people say, oh, I would never meet with him.

01:16:07.000 Of course I would meet with him.

01:16:09.000 Of course I would say what I believe.

01:16:10.000 And I want him to be a centrist president.

01:16:13.000 And I would do everything I possibly could to say, look, Joe, outside of eliminating 75 million people from the planet, you're going to have to live with us.

01:16:24.000 You're going to have to live with our toxic existence, right?

01:16:28.000 So are you going to just rule in a Machiavellian way with an iron fist?

01:16:32.000 Or are you going to do anything where you're going to weigh that half the country voted for you and half the country didn't?

01:16:38.000 And the other half the country feels so disenfranchised and angry.

01:16:42.000 That's what my message to him would be.

01:16:43.000 And I'm very, I don't have a lot of hope that he would do that, but that's what my message would be.

01:16:49.000 What are you predictions for?

01:16:54.000 You said some today, but do you have any other predictions for the rest of the term?

01:16:58.000 I actually, I have a, yeah, again, I'm cynical about, I'm unbelievably cynical about his presidency just because I know the way this stuff works, but I hold out a small iota of hope there.

01:17:08.000 I think that there's, and Victor Davis Hansen made this point, who I just think is unbelievably awesome.

01:17:12.000 If you guys aren't reading Victor Davis Hansen, he's unbelievably brilliant.

01:17:16.000 And yeah, he's really special.

01:17:18.000 He really is.

01:17:18.000 And he has courage, which is so rare to find.

01:17:21.000 Victor made this point, and I've expounded on it at the whole podcast on it, where he argues that Biden really is governing like someone that only cares about how liberal historians will write about him.

01:17:33.000 He doesn't care about how the voters will think of him.

01:17:36.000 He's governing like how he wants a college professor to teach his course.

01:17:41.000 I think that's a very brilliant way to analyze it.

01:17:44.000 That he's governing like 20 years from now when who knows if he'll still be living or not.

01:17:49.000 He cares more about how the professor class will say that Joe Biden came in and didn't care about the consequences and he won over America on a certain agenda, but then he decided to be a progressive president.

01:18:02.000 And I also think there's even a more kind of vengeful side to Biden, which is I think he's been very, I think that there's been this pent up anger of him of constantly being called like Obama's foolish sidekick.

01:18:18.000 And I think that he is now saying, you know what?

01:18:20.000 I'm going to do what Obama never did.

01:18:22.000 And I'm going to be more liberal than Obama.

01:18:24.000 And that's not a good thing, by the way.

01:18:26.000 That's a really bad thing.

01:18:27.000 But I'm starting to see that pattern of behavior where it's kind of like, look, I don't care if we get blown out in the midterms.

01:18:34.000 I don't care if I serve one term.

01:18:35.000 I'm going to do what Obama never did.

01:18:37.000 I'm going to deliver amnesty.

01:18:38.000 I'm going to eliminate fossil fuels.

01:18:40.000 I'm going to be more radical on abortion.

01:18:42.000 I'm not going to do a whole thing like Obama did and try to court the other side.

01:18:46.000 I'm going to rule with an iron fist.

01:18:47.000 And I want liberal historians to remember me as the guy that defeated Trump and then changed the trajectory of the progressive movement to be one that fights.

01:18:54.000 I hope I'm wrong, but that's my prediction.

01:18:57.000 My prediction is that Biden is looking at himself almost in a way a college lecturer would be giving his history 20 years from now.

01:19:06.000 And that's to be understood.

01:19:08.000 He's 78.

01:19:08.000 He's probably not going to run for a second term.

01:19:11.000 Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

01:19:12.000 So I think he's just kind of, he's doing things that he just doesn't care about the consequences, which is really bad for the country.

01:19:20.000 All right.

01:19:22.000 Would you be willing today to announce your 2032 presidential run?

01:19:28.000 No.

01:19:31.000 But I'm not running for office.

01:19:34.000 No, I'm not running for anything.

01:19:35.000 I'm far too happy to run for office.

01:19:39.000 But I can promise you this.

01:19:41.000 Instead of running for office, what we will do at Turning Point, what we're doing on the podcast and what I'm doing personally, will have the impact of somebody running for office.

01:19:50.000 Now, what do I mean for that?

01:19:51.000 The impact that we're making, I think, is going to be greater than what a senator or a congressperson or a presidential candidate would have.

01:19:57.000 What I'm talking about here will be rebroadcast on our podcast to hundreds of thousands and millions of people.

01:20:04.000 And what I talk about here is rooted in truth, but it is so missing right now.

01:20:08.000 And so we're organizing every day at Turning Point USA.

01:20:11.000 We're standing up.

01:20:11.000 And so, look, people say, when are you going to run for this?

01:20:13.000 It's like, look, I'd rather be friends with those people and influence those people.

01:20:17.000 But to be perfectly honest, there's 100 senators, there's 435 congresspeople.

01:20:21.000 You know, there's only a couple voices right now that I hear that are saying what I've just said and are doing it daily and are doing it in a pretty methodical way.

01:20:31.000 And then also organizing a whole organization.

01:20:33.000 But I appreciate the compliment.

01:20:39.000 All right.

01:20:39.000 This is the last one.

01:20:41.000 And the worship team can come on up and get ready.

01:20:44.000 But I was asked to make a joke to have you share how to subscribe to Charlie Pirke.

01:20:49.000 That's funny.

01:20:50.000 Yes, I was actually going to do that.

01:20:52.000 And how to beat the New York Times with our 200 people.

01:20:54.000 Well, okay, well, no, we can.

01:20:55.000 It's actually great.

01:20:56.000 So, first of all, I want to say thank you guys for having me.

01:21:00.000 And so it's churches like this will save the country.

01:21:08.000 And that's good for the kingdom.

01:21:10.000 It's good for everything.

01:21:11.000 And this country is a gift from God.

01:21:14.000 I don't say that lightly.

01:21:15.000 I only touched on that lightly.

01:21:17.000 That's a different speech I can give at a different time.

01:21:20.000 We teach our young people that this country is just a bunch of kind of befuddling, you know, morons that happen to assemble this thing.

01:21:28.000 This thing's the greatest experiment of civil government the world has ever seen.

01:21:33.000 Plenty of faults and flaws that happens when human beings do something.

01:21:36.000 But it's amazing with what flawed individuals with original sin have been able to create something as decent as this country.

01:21:44.000 It really is.

01:21:45.000 And I believe, Jeremiah says, pray for the welfare of the land that you're in.

01:21:49.000 And I believe that God will judge us, parable the talents, based on what we are given.

01:21:53.000 We are going to be held to a higher threshold and standard that we live in America, not a third world country.

01:21:57.000 And it's basically going to be asked, what did you do with it?

01:21:59.000 Did you contend for it?

01:22:01.000 Did you protect it?

01:22:02.000 Did you advance it?

01:22:03.000 Did you try to put forth my truth?

01:22:05.000 And so, but churches like this, and then those of you that go to other churches, communicate into your pastor and be like, hey, watch this speech that Charlie gave at Calvary Chapel Oral Valley.

01:22:14.000 Why is this message not also being shared?

01:22:17.000 Why is this not happening?

01:22:18.000 That's number one.

01:22:19.000 And then on the podcast side, we do two podcasts a day.

01:22:22.000 We have one of the most active podcast feeds in the country.

01:22:25.000 One way that you could bless me and our team, if every single person in this room did this, and it's completely free of charge, we would beat the New York Times by tomorrow morning.

01:22:33.000 And it's very simple.

01:22:35.000 You take out your smartphone, and every iPhone or every Android has a podcast app.

01:22:40.000 It's a purple app.

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01:22:47.000 You press that subscription.

01:22:48.000 It might feel like nothing, but for us, that's the currency of how we do what we do.

01:22:52.000 It's that simple.

01:22:53.000 Every time a finger hits that button, I become harder to get canceled.

01:22:57.000 It becomes harder to eliminate me.

01:22:59.000 And that's the lifeblood.

01:23:01.000 And so my goal every day is to get thousands of people to push that button.

01:23:05.000 And so if you have no idea what I just said, go find a 13-year-old and they'll be able to walk you through it.

01:23:10.000 And so because going back to my earlier point, but it's just the podcast app, Charlie Kirk Show.

01:23:15.000 And so just one more closing thought is this, is that what you guys are doing is so important.

01:23:20.000 You have a wonderful pastor and amazing church here.

01:23:22.000 Keep on supporting this church.

01:23:23.000 It's so important.

01:23:27.000 There are three types of people right now.

01:23:29.000 The people that will be on the other side and do nothing.

01:23:31.000 We're not going to talk about them.

01:23:33.000 There's the fighters and the people that help the fighters.

01:23:35.000 I mean metaphorical fighting, okay, for the New York Times that watches has nothing better to do on a Sunday.

01:23:42.000 Anyway, if you feel like, you know what, I'm in a job, I'm raising kids, I don't know what I can do, then be a person that helps the fighters.

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01:23:52.000 Help what we're doing on our program.

01:23:54.000 Because without you helping us, we can't do what we do.

01:23:56.000 It's that simple.

01:23:57.000 So you can be a fighter, you can help the fighters.

01:23:59.000 So God bless you guys.

01:24:00.000 God bless this church.

01:24:01.000 Thanks for having me today.

01:24:04.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

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01:24:09.000 God bless.

01:24:10.000 Speak to you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 16, 2021

The Last Thing the Left Doesn't Control — LIVE from Calvary Oro Valley

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