On this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie is joined by independent journalist Nick Sorter, who has been on the ground in the streets of Portland, Oregon covering the anti-police rioting in the city. In this episode, Nick talks about the tactics and tactics used by the Portland Police Department (PD) in dealing with Antifa protesters, and how they have taken control of the streets and run roughshod over law and order.
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00:01:09.000We've been talking about what they did to Justice Kavanaugh and how the there is, you know, essentially the person that had tried to, the would-be assassin gets eight years, very minimal sentence.
00:01:22.000Uh DOJ is going to be appealing that, by the way.
00:01:24.000But we're we have another sort of PD rule of law issue that is emerging in Portland, or it's been emerged for some years now, but it's coming to a head again.
00:01:35.000And we have independent journalist Nick Sorter, who's been on the ground making a lot of news.
00:01:45.000I am uh in the car, though, because if I'm not in the car, I will just be attacked for talking.
00:01:51.000So uh that's why I'm doing this from the car this time.
00:01:53.000You know, I'm trying to do it on the street like I did Lori Ingram's show from the street last week, uh, which uh resulted in people having to physically remove the Antifa terrorists that were uh trying to come at me.
00:02:06.000So I gotta be careful about where I do uh interviews at this point.
00:02:11.000Yeah, geez, you gotta take care of yourself.
00:02:13.000I think we're all sitting here uh watching the clips and watching.
00:02:17.000I mean, I saw the one from last night of them ripping the flag that you had you had you know basically stomped out the flames on and you've kept it, and then they ripped it out of your hands again, and we're all thinking, please, Nick, stay safe.
00:02:29.000You know, um, yeah, and you can you can see this is actually the incident.
00:02:34.000Uh this is this is uh it seems to be an is instance, Nick, where the PD is victim shaming uh Katie Davis court.
00:02:45.000They're arresting you an independent journalist, meanwhile, actual rioters and Antifa thugs uh seem to have free reign over the streets in Portland.
00:02:54.000Is and and are you hearing, I guess is the question here.
00:02:57.000Are you hearing that the leadership of Portland is telling the PD to not defend law-abiding citizens and to allow Antifa to run roughshod?
00:03:09.000They're getting orders from the top to uh basically just allow these Antifa things to do whatever they want to because the I I mean, just to be totally honest with you, the Portland police department has been, you know, uh tucked, I guess, by Antifa.
00:03:26.000And you know, I had an officer that uh was actually uh you can't say too much about him, but he's a Portland cop uh that is very thankful for what I've been able to expose so far.
00:03:38.000He's tired of the rot within the organization and uh and basically now you know they have to cede their power to these Antifa things every single day, right?
00:03:48.000It's demoralizing for the police for the regular police officers that really want to fight crime and really do the right thing.
00:03:56.000Uh and I also posted this video yesterday as or the day before.
00:04:02.000Um how Portland police are sitting on their bikes pretty far away, while uh they relegate uh traffic control duties to Antifa uh militants that you know they're the ones that decide who gets to drive down what street.
00:04:20.000They'll block the road and not even let people like uh like the workers at the spaghetti factory aren't able to get to their jobs at this point because there's only one road To get to a lot of these restaurants and businesses, and it's the one that they shut down, except you know, they allow their own uh people to get through, of course.
00:04:38.000I mean, it's like it's total mob rule out here in Portland, like no other city in the United States.
00:04:44.000Uh it doesn't feel like an American city at this point, Andrew.
00:04:47.000I'm I hate to say it that way, but that's uh there is no law and order out here uh at this point.
00:04:56.000You have Antifa that's running the show.
00:04:58.000Hey, Nick, this is Sean Davis from the Federalist here.
00:05:01.000Thank you for your courage and your uh boldness uh and fearlessness in doing what you're doing.
00:05:06.000Can you tell us a little bit about what you've seen uh with the federal response?
00:06:01.000That means they can't do their actual jobs, they can't go out and do Title VIII work, which is uh removing uh illegals from the interior.
00:06:10.000They can't do as many immigration raids because they're busy protecting the federal building, right?
00:06:16.000So that's why the National Guard is so important, because the National Guard can protect the facility uh probably even better than the federal agents can.
00:06:28.000Uh, and then the agents can go out and continue doing their jobs.
00:06:31.000ICE agents should not be used primarily to protect their own building.
00:06:37.000I mean, that what what is the National Guard for if it's not to protect citizens as well as federal government property?
00:06:44.000I don't understand why this is a controversial issue.
00:06:47.000Two things stand out to me hearing you talk about this, Nick.
00:06:50.000You're talking about, you know, they've they've taken back control of this city block and this city block.
00:06:54.000I'm like, what is this like Fallujah or something?
00:06:56.000Like what like what are we even talking about here?
00:07:00.000And secondly, there's this story that you know, a U.S. district judge, Karen emerg emergit, emergent.
00:07:08.000Uh by the way, it's and people are saying, oh, it's uh how do you say it?
00:07:13.000So is saying that this is like a Trump judge.
00:07:15.000Well, no, it was a blue slip judge, which means you know, chosen by the Democrat senators of Oregon, but basically, you know, has put a stay on the uh deployment of National Guard troops, and they're saying, and I think California, I saw again Gavin Newsom was celebrating uh this ruling.
00:07:34.000Trump has every right to deploy National Guard to troops to support and defend federal facilities.
00:07:40.000But like this is like I wouldn't say we're at civil war territory.
00:07:44.000I know a lot of people do think we're at.
00:07:45.000I would definitely say we're at whiskey rebellion territory where we're like having to subdue these uprisings, and that's really what it seems like, uh Nick, is that you are you are surviving a an uprising, a domestic uprising.
00:08:00.000Yeah, that's uh it's sort of what it what it feels like at this point.
00:08:23.000We, but why is a judge blocking Governor Abbott who wants to send Texas National Guard to protect the federal facility?
00:08:31.000Yeah, what why why is that not allowed?
00:08:34.000Yeah, that's an answer that that we can't get here.
00:08:36.000It seems like these activist judges, their entire goal is to stall and delay, because every day that passes by that ICE agents and border patrol agents are wrapped up in uh in protecting the facility, the less and less people that we can deport.
00:09:09.000We got one minute left with Nick here.
00:09:10.000No, I'm just struck by this judge engaged in a pretty lawless decision here.
00:09:15.000So she enjoins the the National Guard from Oregon being there, and so Trump calls them up from California and she says, Oh, uh, you can't do that either, even because I said you couldn't do it to Oregon.
00:09:28.000Well, the letter of the law actually matters, and the letter of these decisions matters.
00:09:33.000And so, yeah, you can say that's you know, I mean, the she also, I should say the the issue was was immediately under appeal, so she no longer has jurisdiction.
00:09:42.000And so she it's just a completely lawless situation to match the lawlessness of the Portland police department not enforcing things and the governor trying to keep anybody from being held to account.
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00:11:19.000Blake, you have an email that you want to read.
00:11:21.000Yeah, so yeah, we're getting into we've been covering what's happening in Portland, and we'll also get into what's going on in Chicago.
00:11:27.000This aggressive anti-ICE efforts that are happening in blue jurisdictions where they're declaring certain areas off limits to ice, they're ordering police not to assist ICE if they're attacked.
00:11:37.000It's real, you know, nullification crisis resistance.
00:11:43.000I want to flag this uh very interesting email we got uh from Stephen.
00:11:47.000He just sent in, he said all Trump has to do for anti-I cities is remove the air traffic control or employees and shut down their airports.
00:11:54.000Now I want to preface I have or post this, whatever.
00:11:58.000I want to say I have no idea if that is actually legal or how that would work, but I would say that's an incredibly interesting idea.
00:12:07.000Your cities are basically in revolt against valid federal government.
00:12:11.000Well, we're going to shut down your airport.
00:12:13.000And we're in a government shutdown, and so it's come all power has been handed over to the executive by Democrats refusing to pass this budget, which means that Trump can decide who to furlough and who not.
00:12:40.000By the way, there was that Stephen Miller uh tweet that it was getting some pushback because he was he was talking about legitimate government power to quell the rebellions that are popping up right now.
00:12:51.000And they were like, You're trying to stoke vi they keep trying to act like we're doing what they're doing and we're not.
00:12:57.000I I don't know if you have a thought on this more.
00:12:59.000Well, just I back to the Portland situation.
00:13:01.000I was appalled by seeing what Portland was saying about how the journalists who are covering it who are not covering because Antifa likes to have only Antifa approved journalists, and there are some who are not, they're independent, and they were blaming them for any conflicts like what Nick Sorter went through.
00:13:20.000So Katie Davis court gets uh punched either by like an umbrella or something, she gets hit in the eye, has this black eye.
00:13:27.000And yeah, the chief of police, I believe in the write-up was like basically said you had it coming.
00:13:34.000Which is I mean, this is what it's come to.
00:13:37.000That's why I was, you know, Nick Nick gave me some hope though.
00:13:39.000He was saying that there are good police officers, which of course I assumed, but like you wonder how rotten the PD has become.
00:13:46.000The police have been at war with or that's not a bad way to put it right in a bad way.
00:13:50.000But they've been in conflict with the Antifa led government in Portland.
00:13:53.000Antifa keeps getting people elected to the city council.
00:13:55.000The previous district attorney actually was Antifa adjacent.
00:13:59.000The current one is bad, but not nearly as bad as the as the previous one.
00:14:03.000Antifa took root in Oregon many decades ago in a way that I think the rest of the country is kind of seeing now.
00:14:09.000Um and it has become completely lawless, lest we forget in 2020 during the BLM riots, and you know, we have we talked so much about that January 6th riot.
00:14:18.000That federal courthouse, the Mark O. Hatfield federal courthouse in Oregon was under siege for months by Antifa.
00:14:27.000Of course, the federal government has interest in its assets, its people, its buildings being protected.
00:14:32.000Well, also it's a it's a perfect example of why county sheriffs are as important as they are.
00:14:37.000So it if you've only spent time in big cities, your only experience with law enforcement is with big city police departments, almost all of whom have a chief that is a political appointee of the mayor.
00:14:49.000And in these cities, the mayors are completely corrupt Democrats.
00:14:51.000They they don't care about law and order.
00:14:53.000It's all about following the party's dictates.
00:14:59.000County sheriffs are elected, they are accountable to the people.
00:15:01.000They they are tend to be very different.
00:15:04.000Now there are some some cities and counties where they've been allowed to merge, uh, which I think is a terrible idea because then you lose that independence, you lose the electoral accountability.
00:15:13.000Um, but but this is it's why school board elections are important.
00:15:16.000It's why county sheriff elections are important.
00:15:18.000It's not just the president or Congress.
00:15:21.000These very local people who most people on TV and radio have never heard of can be the difference between uh law and order and chaos in a lot of these cities.
00:15:30.000Yeah, I mean, I I think you're right, and it's a really smart it's a really good call back to the fact that local matters, local matters, local matters, like school boards matter, you know, local elections matter.
00:15:40.000Uh govern governor races, it's not just all about president.
00:15:44.000I think we tend to make it about these national you know, races, whether it's Senate or Congress or President, but the local level actually just for quality of life, day in, day out matters so much.
00:15:53.000And I just love so low, the leverage is so much higher if you vote and well Soros figured this out with local prosecutors that the ROI was like huge pound for you know, bang for buck, right?
00:16:04.000It was a huge return on investment, and he found like an arbitrage in the system and basically found a way to hollow out the rule of law in America from the inside out.
00:16:13.000It's how he's taken over red states too, because a lot of these uh red states, um, you you look at left wingers pouring in there.
00:16:20.000Uh a media market in Idaho or South Dakota or Wyoming is shockingly less expensive than if you're trying to to get a race in New York City or Boston or whatever.
00:16:31.000So um the the right needs to understand these dynamics.
00:16:35.000It's not just about uh big elections with people that everyone's heard of.
00:16:39.000You you gotta get involved in every state, every locality, and every race.
00:16:44.000Because it's using legitimate government authority in a shutdown where, as you said, Molly, so much of the power then sort of returns to the executive branch while Congress is out and uh, you know, some of them, by the way, it's so funny.
00:16:58.000Some of these Congress people are like, well, we're not taking a paycheck right now.
00:17:01.000Well, it turns out the law is that they have to get the money eventually.
00:17:04.000Like, so as soon as the lights go back on, like they'll get all that in back pay, but it's like a really cool virtue.
00:17:09.000It's like, well, I mean, it's like I guess it's symbolic on some level, but it's like so much of DC is hollow.
00:17:14.000I you know, I'm a big fan of states and localities being able to govern themselves.
00:17:18.000I think that's an important part of our system.
00:17:20.000It's also true that there are federal roles here and there are federal buildings, federal employees.
00:17:27.000Uh, and so that's what we're talking about, really.
00:17:29.000Antifa has targeted federal buildings, federal employees, and the federal work of enforcing our borders, which doesn't just happen at the actual borders, but also happens what, you know, because we've had so many people who have illegally entered the country.
00:17:44.000Interfering with that federal role is a problem, and it is a violation of our system.
00:17:48.000Well, this tension between federal and local has served us so well over the years because when you do get deranged local governments, the you know, sensible feds can come in and we get deranged feds, the local governments can sort of push back and create this push and pull.
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00:19:03.000Charlie did speak a lot about basically the rise of left-wing violence, and sadly and tragically, I believe he was prophetic about this divergence of Magioniism versus MAGAism.
00:19:15.000And one obviously is left-wing assassination culture, and one is robust national development and uh you say conservative nationalism, populism, whatever.
00:19:27.000And so we are in a in a in a really big fight, right?
00:19:30.000Okay, so you've got here's a a tweet on that um that Charlie put up.
00:19:35.000And and it is one of those weird things, is just how prophetic Charlie truly was in so many different ways, and how accurate and his predictions came out uh to it ended up being.
00:19:45.000And by the way, Charlie is a native of Chicago.
00:19:49.000That's where he was born and raised, wheeling, he would always get people would be like, Well, you're not from Chicago, Chicago, you're from with suburbs of Chicago.
00:19:55.000So we would always have to preface I'm from the sh the suburbs of Chicago.
00:19:58.000And there is a big story going on now in Chicago.
00:20:01.000It's similar to the Portland story, but this just blew my mind.
00:20:05.000Bill Melugan, I believe, broke the story, so let's go ahead and put up two three seven.
00:20:09.000Uh so basically, Bill Melujan uh of Fox uh broke this story that Chicago police officers were instructed by their chief of patrol to not respond to border patrol agents that were surrounded by a large crowd of protesters following a ramming incident that we then later find out was an ambush.
00:20:30.000And one of the there was a woman involved in this that was essentially a far-left radical domestic extremist, domestic terrorist, who had a semi-automatic uh rifle with her, and actually she ended up getting getting shot in defensive measure measures by I believe uh either the police or because there was some police nearby uh or the border patrol agents.
00:20:53.000I'll have to look that that detail up.
00:20:54.000But this woman gets shot, drives herself to the hospital.
00:20:57.000Then we find out that they the cops have been told to stand down.
00:21:00.000So can you imagine being so vitriolic, being so antagonistic to federal law enforcement agents that are by the way are doing a job that the American people elected them to do?
00:21:11.000I mean, it's number one job that they that President Trump has been elected to do is enforce our immigration laws.
00:21:16.000But you to see another man or woman that happens to be wearing the uniform in trouble, getting ambushed, life on the line, and you refuse to help.
00:21:27.000We're actually seeing this happen a lot, not just in relation to ice, but in all sorts of ways, where a left-wing mayor might have a stand down order for people at times of riots, and there's not much you can do about it right now, according to the laws that we have.
00:21:42.000They're all they're all immune from any kind of prosecution.
00:21:46.000But uneven application of uneven application of when the police defend something or not can be a form of tyranny.
00:22:33.000And I think this is such an interesting micro microcosm of where we are as a country right now, and it's the uneven um inequitable uh application of the rule of law.
00:22:44.000It is one standard for my friends, one standard for my enemies.
00:22:48.000When the left loses an election and they say Donald Trump was elected by Russia, that's fine.
00:22:55.000When uh Joe Biden gets put in the white house, and people on the right say, hey, I think there was funny business in that election, that's insurrection.
00:23:03.000When we go and protest peacefully, uh, that's civil war, when they go and violently siege uh and try to seize federal assets, uh, that's just speech.
00:23:11.000And and so you see it now with cops, like cops not doing their job because they've been told no the people who are being victimized deserve it.
00:23:21.000And I actually think this is probably the most foundational issue we face as a country right now is the unequal application of the rule of law.
00:23:30.000And I don't know how you survive as a country or as a people when one party has just decided the we get rules and you get totally different rules.
00:23:40.000Because at that point you don't have a country, you truly do just have a narco-tyranny.
00:23:44.000Yeah, I mean, and now you've got Brandon Johnson, I believe we have these clips actually, Brandon Johnson basically saying, hold on, I've got it, Chicago here.
00:23:54.000So we got JB Pritzker telling people to back off.
00:23:57.000Uh, and then you got brand I uh mayor Brandon Johnson is now creating these ice-free zones.
00:24:51.000So so uh doesn't surprise me that this would be a half-cocked effort to sort of stand virtue signal against the tyrannical federal government when actually when in all of these instances, by the way, if local authorities would simply do their job and protect their their you know, federal ice facilities that are part of their community too.
00:25:12.000If they would just protect the rule of law and the people inside of these buildings, there would be no need.
00:25:24.000And you've had Democrat mayor after Democrat mayor, you know, city councils, and they have led they have created this situation where it's a great city that has become not great in many parts of it.
00:25:36.000And it's by the way, there are still parts where you can be wealthy enough that you can avoid all the crime and all of the badness, but there are also areas where it's very bad for their people.
00:25:43.000Why don't they care about their people more?
00:25:45.000And it's just a horrible thing to watch.
00:25:47.000They they get out here and do an executive order to prevent the rule of law from being enforced in their city, and it's like, yeah, we know that's like the whole problem that you're you've been doing this for decades.
00:25:56.000Yeah, and but I mean to be fair, I mean, unless there was some funny business, which hey, Chicago, you book you wrote the book rigged, uh, and Chicago is not immune from uh funny business in their election.
00:26:07.000But let's just say, okay, it was a straight up election.
00:26:11.000And by the way, what's hilarious is that you know, you've got Chicago Tribune, the editorial uh staff there writing op-eds warning New York about mom Donnie.
00:26:21.000They're like, We're the ghost of Christmas future.
00:26:42.000I don't know like what's going on because Trump bad.
00:26:45.000I think that's essentially the emotional exchange that's happening at the ballot box.
00:26:49.000Or maybe also that democracy is not the solution to everything if you have a people that are not well educated and not thinking about how to run their elasticity.
00:26:59.000Or well, but beyond their intelligence, you maybe just education.
00:27:03.000They're socialized into this frankly suicidal worldview.
00:27:08.000Well, I would I think what I think I what I'm hearing you say is that the institutions have been out infiltrated, the higher education, lower education, the accreditation of our teachers has all been infiltrated by these people.
00:27:19.000The long march through the institutions, and we are dealing with the the rotten fruit of a rotten tree.
00:28:04.000A couple of years ago, I I I said very candidly that the right wing in this country wants a rematch of the civil war.
00:28:16.000I just I want that to sit in right now because the president of the United States of America has declared war on the people of Chicago and people across America.
00:28:29.000And I'm glad you brought up Mom Donnie because it's there are a lot of people on the right who it's easy to look at that be like, whatever, New York's kind of a crap hole anyway, and it's run by liberals, you know, let it go to pot.
00:28:40.000But great nations have great cities, they're comprised of great cities.
00:28:46.000And we cannot let our great cities, like what happened to Detroit and Chicago, in Philadelphia, in Baltimore, in New Orleans, allowing that to happen to your cities is saying to the people, we're we're willing to let your entire country to turn into this.
00:29:02.000So uh I I wish more people on the right would take notice of this and actually fight for these cities rather than just saying, Oh, they're run by left wingers and they uh give it to him good and hard, they deserve it.
00:30:21.000You don't just give it up to this lunatic from Uganda.
00:30:24.000And people always say, like, okay, you know, in the communist countries, they eventually became more free.
00:30:30.000Yeah, after like 70 years, and how many people died, and how much creativity was squashed.
00:30:36.000Like, these are real losses that you have while these cities are being horribly managed.
00:30:40.000Little girls and boys who can't go to school safely.
00:30:43.000That's that's something every American should care about.
00:30:45.000Yeah, and again, you know, to Nick's point, so these ICE facilities aren't able to actually do their job because they're fighting for their lives and defending like buildings like it's like it's a war zone.
00:30:55.000And it, you know, so Illinois has now sued the Trump administration as well about deployment of National Guard troops.
00:31:03.000So it's all it's all craziness, none of it makes any sense.
00:31:06.000And uh, you know, the points are made up and the rules don't matter.
00:31:22.000Because I think about Charlie's life and how much of the support he was of Angel.
00:31:26.000It's hard not to feel so grateful for what he did.
00:31:29.000He supported Us in our darkest days and in our brightest hours as a company.
00:31:34.000Jeff and I and Charlie were doing lunch together.
00:31:36.000We asked him, we said, Are you are you at all worried about one of these college campuses?
00:31:40.000And he just said with so much peace in his eyes and so much peace in his heart.
00:31:45.000If that's how God takes me, then that's how I'm supposed to go.
00:31:48.000But I feel like that was a clear message that Charlie's life is a testimony to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, and his relationship with him was the most important thing that he would want the world to remember about his legacy.
00:32:02.000Man, are we grateful to have gotten to be a little connection in the multitude of connections that he made throughout his life because he was so impactful to us.
00:32:37.000Well, just great to be here, and we're very honored to be able to be here.
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00:34:10.000And everybody should check out the Federalist.
00:34:12.000Uh, truly one of the gems and most important uh publications that we have in the conservative movement because it's thoughtful, it's smart, um, but you guys are based, you know.
00:34:21.000So that's there's there's like very it's a very hard dance to pull off, if as you've probably witnessed.
00:34:26.000Blake, we have a clip that you wanted to play for us.
00:35:36.000You can try to fix them, or you can blow everything up.
00:35:40.000And there's a lot of people who want to blow everything up.
00:35:42.000It's this sort of emotionally incontinent will towards just total revolution, total destruction.
00:35:50.000I think this clip also shows something that has not been covered as much as it should be since the assassination.
00:35:55.000People know about Charlie's campus activism.
00:35:57.000They know about his love for Jesus and sharing the gospel.
00:36:00.000He'd also become quite an important statesman who synthesized complex ideas and was providing a way forward to have a very healthy, large movement.
00:36:09.000And so we can be heartened by how much wonderful response there has been from people wanting to get involved after his assassination.
00:36:17.000But this was a huge, huge takedown of someone who is very important for a healthy movement going forward.
00:36:23.000And so I hope we see people rising to support that as well.
00:36:28.000You you also see the thing that he was so good at, and I don't think we fully appreciated it until recently, is that when we're in the space of ideas, we argue, we debate.
00:36:37.000We generally come into a debate wanting to win the debate and win the argument.
00:36:41.000And I think what everyone saw in Charlie and why he attracted so many people and why they loved him so much was that he didn't want to win the debate.