The Charlie Kirk Show - The Left's Agenda: "Social Murder" and "Micro-Looting"

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00:01:14.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:01:31.000 Blake, how are we doing?

00:01:32.000 We're doing lovely, other than evil people are out here, which is what the lead is today.

00:01:36.000 It's a common theme, unfortunately.

00:01:40.000 I feel good because we get to fight evil.

00:01:42.000 We get to fight evil.

00:01:43.000 We have a noble cause and a noble calling.

00:01:47.000 And I will tell you, there is a lot of evil around.

00:01:49.000 And by the way, we're going to have Peter, our chapter president from Baylor University, on the second half of the hour.

00:01:56.000 We get so many emails from you when we have our students on.

00:01:59.000 So we're going to keep doing that.

00:02:00.000 And by the way, Peter deserves a heck of a hat tip.

00:02:04.000 And I'm going to praise him to the sky when he comes on because, man, were we up against it at Baylor University?

00:02:09.000 The university was giving us all kinds of problems.

00:02:12.000 And they.

00:02:13.000 Absolutely persevered.

00:02:14.000 They broke through.

00:02:16.000 We had, I think, over a thousand students.

00:02:19.000 There might have been 50 adults in the room.

00:02:20.000 The university cut off all what they call community tickets for this event.

00:02:26.000 And so, you know.

00:02:27.000 Did they give a justification for that?

00:02:29.000 Well, it was very last minute.

00:02:30.000 It was last minute because they were going to let all these community members in, which we had 4,500 tickets reserved by the community.

00:02:39.000 You know, if you know Waco, the whole community revolves around Baylor University.

00:02:43.000 There's about 20,000 students at Baylor, private school.

00:02:46.000 Waco's about 140,000.

00:02:48.000 So, relatively small community, but man, do they love the Baylor University and their football team and all this stuff.

00:02:48.000 People big.

00:02:56.000 Anyway, so they cut it off because a bunch of lefties complained.

00:02:59.000 And, you know, we were kind of sitting here going, are we going to not be able to have anybody come to this event?

00:03:05.000 I mean, that's all students, all students to hear Tom Homan, Benny Johnson, and Attorney General Ken Paxton.

00:03:05.000 And look at that.

00:03:12.000 It was a massive, massive success.

00:03:14.000 So, I'm so proud of the team.

00:03:15.000 And then we had Erica down in Grapevine, Texas, actually talking to our pastor summit last night.

00:03:20.000 So, Two different nights, two different events.

00:03:23.000 So we had Ohio State the night before, then we had Baylor, and then we had the Pastor Summit running concurrently.

00:03:30.000 So a lot of activity out there.

00:03:32.000 And I'm just, again, I'm so proud of our students.

00:03:35.000 But we got to get to the evil people that Blake referenced and the evil ideologies, which is something, if you haven't heard of it, it's a concept called social murder.

00:03:44.000 It's a cousin to something that you hear in modern context called systemic oppression, which basically blames the system, it blames the elites, it blames anybody in a position of Power or influence for what they consider less than ideal circumstances that lead to suffering.

00:04:02.000 Okay, every system known to man will create some level of suffering because we live in a fallen world.

00:04:09.000 As Christians, we understand that.

00:04:11.000 We understand also the Matthew principle that those who have will have even more, and those who have little, even the little they have, will be taken from them.

00:04:17.000 Sometimes that's unfortunately the case.

00:04:19.000 Now, as Christians, we are called to try and help our brothers and sisters to try and give to them.

00:04:24.000 Now, I believe that that should be done privately through the church and through charities and things like that.

00:04:29.000 In our modern quasi socialist system, Blake, we tend to give taxes away to the government.

00:04:34.000 The government then will have certain programs, whether it be welfare or Medicaid.

00:04:38.000 Some states have their own to take care of the least of these.

00:04:42.000 Now, we could argue the merits of that, but as Christians, we understand that we have an obligation to take care of the least of these.

00:04:48.000 Communists don't believe in God, at least largely, and they tend to blame the system on those who are part of the system.

00:04:57.000 What am I getting at? 0.99

00:04:58.000 A left winger, a radical left winger who says a lot of crazy crap. 0.99

00:05:04.000 And he's very popular. 0.97

00:05:05.000 This is a popular one.

00:05:06.000 So, Hassan Piker, if you've not heard of him, you may hear of him soon.

00:05:11.000 Incredibly popular streamer.

00:05:13.000 He's on sites like Twitch, I believe he's on these days.

00:05:16.000 Big website if you're not familiar with it.

00:05:18.000 A lot of the people on it, they'll play the game.

00:05:20.000 People will play a video game and people will watch them.

00:05:22.000 But it's also political stuff.

00:05:24.000 This guy will be online six, seven, eight hours a day just talking about politics.

00:05:29.000 He'll have thousands, tens of thousands of people watching him.

00:05:32.000 Millions will watch clips through other venues.

00:05:35.000 Very popular with young people.

00:05:37.000 In fact, only a week or two after Charlie was murdered, he was scheduled to debate Hassan Piker at Dartmouth College.

00:05:47.000 That was a debate we were looking forward to.

00:05:49.000 We were game planning it.

00:05:50.000 I think it would have been quite the event.

00:05:52.000 So he's a very big name, but he's very far on the left.

00:05:56.000 And right now, on the left, there are elites like the people, Ezra Klein, those individuals, they're debating should we accept this guy into our coalition?

00:06:05.000 And that's an important question because of the stuff this guy is arguing.

00:06:09.000 He is a radical.

00:06:09.000 He is a radical who will justify violence, and he did it again, this time in front of the New York Times, saying that he understands, or at least a lot of Americans, I think the way he phrased it, to be fair to him, and we'll play the clip, is that a lot of Americans understand the assassination of Luigi Maggioni against Brian Thompson, CEO of UnitedHealthcare, because a lot of social murder.

00:06:34.000 And what does he mean?

00:06:35.000 Guilty of causing a lot of pain and suffering by denying claims or whatever the accusations are, and therefore he had it coming.

00:06:46.000 Let's just play the clip and you can hear it in his own words.

00:06:49.000 Hassan Piker, 19.

00:06:51.000 Engels wrote about the concept of social murder, and Brian Thompson, as the United Healthcare CEO, was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder, the systematized forms of violence, the structural violence of poverty.

00:07:11.000 Because of the pervasive pain that the private healthcare system had created for the average American, I saw so many people immediately understand why this death had taken place.

00:07:28.000 Okay, first of all, it's not a death that had taken place, it was an assassination, a cold blooded murder of an innocent man.

00:07:36.000 And also, just worth pointing, he's quoting Engels.

00:07:39.000 Engels is famously the co author of the Communist Manifesto, he's the collaborator.

00:07:43.000 He's the also the funder, he's always the guy who.

00:07:46.000 When you read the life of the early communists, you start to really understand leftists because you see certain patterns. 0.99

00:07:52.000 Marx is famously a loser. 0.98

00:07:54.000 He doesn't support his own family. 1.00

00:07:57.000 He has to sponge off other people like his friends.

00:08:01.000 He never visits a factory floor.

00:08:03.000 He's totally a classic type that lives on today of being uninformed about the world, champagne socialist, being a bad person individually, and that manifests in politics, that they're bad as individual people, and of course, they end up embracing evil. 0.87

00:08:18.000 And this is what this Piker guy is doing. 0.79

00:08:20.000 He's going to say, it's very much a part of leftism to say, actually, I can kill someone that I resent. 0.87

00:08:28.000 And it's a good thing because I have the right motivation.

00:08:31.000 They're actually a bad person because the system that they're a part of murders people, which it doesn't really.

00:08:36.000 Brian Thompson's company paid for health care for people.

00:08:39.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 Well, and here's the thing you'll see how the history of ideas morph.

00:08:44.000 And, you know, Mark Twain, I think, famously said history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

00:08:50.000 And you see these ideas from the 18th century or the 19th century in the 1800s morph and weave and come in and out of the public consciousness.

00:09:00.000 And then you get a guy like Kassam Piker, who's a gamer who justifies all sorts of evils like micro looting, by the way.

00:09:08.000 That's another one.

00:09:09.000 We'll get into that in the next part.

00:09:10.000 He justifies.

00:09:11.000 And by the way, he electrocutes his dog on his stream.

00:09:14.000 And he's standing by all the far left Senate candidates.

00:09:21.000 The Michigan candidate, the Muslim guy in Michigan who's running for Senate, he's standing by him.

00:09:26.000 And so you see these ideas pop up and percolate. 0.96

00:09:29.000 And this is just the latest iteration, and we have to address it because it is evil and it is vile and it will justify all sorts of atrocities in its name. 0.88

00:09:38.000 So we're talking about Hassan Piker, who is on the rise. 0.55

00:09:40.000 He got this interview in the New York Times opinion section as basically leading figure on the left.

00:09:47.000 So we talked about they were saying, oh, so I could understand why you'd murder a healthcare CEO because they're an Engaged in social murder.

00:09:54.000 Another discussion they had was over this concept of micro looting, as they call it.

00:10:00.000 You could also just call it stealing, you could call it shoplifting.

00:10:03.000 And what he said, I don't think we have the video, but I have the quote.

00:10:06.000 He says, I am pro stealing from big corporations because they steal quite a bit more from their own workers.

00:10:15.000 And so he just says, okay, Rob, actually, I think it was his co host who said she would just steal from Whole Foods, she would steal from other places.

00:10:24.000 In the same interview, he says some other things.

00:10:27.000 He doesn't endorse all theft.

00:10:28.000 He says he wouldn't steal from a place that is taxpayer funded.

00:10:31.000 That's different.

00:10:32.000 He also said private schools should be illegal.

00:10:35.000 He's really a wrecking ball of takes.

00:10:37.000 But this guy is so full of bad takes.

00:10:40.000 And I genuinely think that these are demonic ideologies that he is becoming the mouthpiece for.

00:10:47.000 And, you know, unfortunately for us, Charlie predicted a lot of this.

00:10:51.000 And we could go all the way back to 2020.

00:10:54.000 So again, Hassan Piker is justifying, morally justifying the murder, the cold blooded assassination of Brian Thompson by Luigi Mangione, allegedly.

00:11:05.000 But Charlie predicted this all the way back in, I guess, 2020.

00:11:08.000 Sot 1.

00:11:10.000 This is going to get really nasty.

00:11:12.000 I just hope you understand.

00:11:12.000 Everyone listen to this.

00:11:14.000 Think of the nastiest moment in 2016.

00:11:16.000 They are not going to let this guy get reelected without the most brutal, drawn out fight.

00:11:20.000 We're going to have the tech companies getting involved.

00:11:22.000 The media is going to get worse than ever.

00:11:24.000 They're going to be taking down Twitter accounts left and right.

00:11:26.000 They're going to be taking down.

00:11:28.000 Videos on YouTube.

00:11:29.000 They are going to be coming after us.

00:11:30.000 They are going to be following us in the middle of the night.

00:11:32.000 They're going to be breaking into our houses.

00:11:34.000 You think I'm joking?

00:11:35.000 They are going to be violent.

00:11:36.000 You will not be able to walk the streets of the MAGA hat without your physical health being put in jeopardy.

00:11:42.000 And I hope it doesn't get that way.

00:11:44.000 I hope that this clip gets unearthed and everything's like wonderful.

00:11:47.000 I hope that the country comes together and we have a beautiful Unitarian healing moment in September.

00:11:53.000 He kept going in May.

00:11:55.000 This is four months before he was assassinated.

00:11:57.000 Sot 21. 0.89

00:11:58.000 The Luigi effect is not going away.

00:12:02.000 It's disturbing.

00:12:03.000 It's scary.

00:12:04.000 People love Luigi on the left, the far radical left.

00:12:10.000 And this is going to continue to be a problem.

00:12:15.000 The Luigi effect is a serious issue where they believe that they can become a social media martyr for that cause, not just the action itself, but that you then can become the face of the resistance against your said struggle.

00:12:34.000 It's almost besides the point to pick at the specific things.

00:12:37.000 Oh, this time they're justifying murdering CEOs, this time they're justifying shoplifting.

00:12:42.000 The bigger picture thing that you're going to see pop up again and again on the left, everyone knows murder is actually wrong.

00:12:48.000 Everyone knows actually it's not okay to steal things.

00:12:51.000 Similarly, everyone knows it's not okay to vandalize, destroy things.

00:12:54.000 But you see the same thing pop up on the left.

00:12:57.000 It is very intoxicating to tell people something that is obviously wrong and evil and predatory, we can justify it through some flimsy ideological pretext.

00:13:09.000 This is how you get mob violence.

00:13:11.000 This is how you get people embracing frenzies of all sorts.

00:13:14.000 And you see this.

00:13:15.000 Especially pop up on the left.

00:13:18.000 It's basically a resentment driven ideology that you can be this freak show who's not as accomplished as you think you deserve to be.

00:13:25.000 You're not as high status as you think you deserve to be.

00:13:28.000 And you can project this out onto others.

00:13:32.000 And so that will justify murder, justifies theft, justifies all sorts of stuff.

00:13:36.000 And that's why you see why do left wing marches get violence so often?

00:13:41.000 It's not even just, it's not even violence toward an end.

00:13:43.000 They'll just burn a store down, they'll smash a window, they'll graffiti some beautiful statue that was put up. 50 years ago.

00:13:51.000 It is very much this id, this will to destroy, basically just because something is good or beautiful.

00:13:58.000 And I think that's also why you see them, they almost have this like perfect radar or this perfect scent for embracing evil ideas around the world. 0.75

00:14:08.000 Like, as an example, they love the pro Palestine cause, but it's not even that they love the pro Palestine cause. 0.60

00:14:14.000 It's that, for example, there was a BLM group in Chicago that was celebrating the people who flew in on hang gliders to that concert where they massacred a bunch of civilians and raped people.

00:14:25.000 They tried to turn it into like a flyer and iconic symbol.

00:14:27.000 Yes.

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 And the left has done that, for example.

00:14:30.000 You know, Franz Fanon, who got quoted after that atrocity was committed, they were talking about, they were directly quoting his ideology. 0.98

00:14:38.000 And he was a guy who said, Rape, raping people is a form of resistance.

00:14:42.000 The most evil things imaginable get justified on the left through a political lens. 0.96

00:14:49.000 And if we don't confront it honestly, this is the tumor that is growing on the left.

00:14:54.000 And it's as Charlie warned, they're going to embrace more and more radical means of getting their agenda done.

00:15:01.000 We already see this with the war on ICE agents.

00:15:03.000 ICE agents are enforcing America's laws for our borders.

00:15:06.000 They're saying you can't break into this country.

00:15:09.000 And they don't just say we want to change our immigration laws, they say we want to.

00:15:13.000 Hunt ice agents, we want to throw them in jail.

00:15:16.000 And a lot of them basically say it's justified to murder ice agents.

00:15:19.000 The more I think about it, the more I realize that it is this dichotomy between chaos and order.

00:15:27.000 God spoke creation into being, He spoke order into being, we read in the scriptures.

00:15:33.000 And the agents of chaos want to destroy that order.

00:15:37.000 And that's why I think we can't say it enough.

00:15:39.000 We are in a spiritual battle because the agents of chaos want.

00:15:43.000 To destroy all that is good, true, and beautiful.

00:15:45.000 They want to undermine it.

00:15:47.000 They want to villainize it. 1.00

00:15:48.000 They want to kill it.

00:15:50.000 And that's how I can kind of look across the landscape and I can say good guy, bad guy, good guy, bad guy. 0.98

00:15:55.000 Because guess what?

00:15:56.000 It doesn't mean that we dehumanize the bad guys like they do to us, but it does mean that you need to have your radar highly attuned to understand who is doing what and for what ends, right?

00:16:07.000 And so if you see somebody that's building up and is creating, good guy.

00:16:11.000 Typically a good guy.

00:16:12.000 Doesn't have to be 100% good.

00:16:13.000 You see the guys trying to burn it down and destroy it, bad guy.

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00:17:34.000 So, I am very excited to have this young man on our show, Peter Fernandez.

00:17:38.000 He's our TPUSA Baylor Chapter President.

00:17:41.000 Welcome to the show, Peter.

00:17:42.000 Morning.

00:17:43.000 How are you all?

00:17:44.000 We are great, and thanks for being flexible.

00:17:46.000 I know our time kept shifting around as our schedule shifted around.

00:17:50.000 But I just want to say, congratulations on a heck of a job last night.

00:17:55.000 I could tell by your speech, and we'll play a clip of that in just a second, but you're kind of like an old soul.

00:18:02.000 And I could see that with the poise that you had.

00:18:06.000 I mean, this was not an easy event.

00:18:08.000 For those of the people in the audience that aren't aware of it, we had this as open to the broader community.

00:18:14.000 I think some progressive students complained, and so then they tried to limit it.

00:18:18.000 And then they were like, no, you can have 20 outside non students.

00:18:22.000 And we're like, come on, that's not even enough for the parents of Peter's family, probably couldn't all fit in that.

00:18:27.000 So they're like, oh, here's 120.

00:18:29.000 It didn't matter.

00:18:31.000 You guys packed that place up with over a thousand people.

00:18:35.000 I think all but 50 of them were students.

00:18:36.000 The energy was incredible.

00:18:38.000 The QA was incredible.

00:18:40.000 And you just comported yourself brilliantly.

00:18:42.000 Peter, the floor is yours.

00:18:44.000 Yeah.

00:18:44.000 So we had a fantastic event.

00:18:47.000 Like you said, the turnout was amazing.

00:18:49.000 The university threw everything they could at us.

00:18:52.000 And they didn't outright say you can't have an event, but they.

00:18:58.000 Said that we couldn't have people from the outside and believe me when I tell you the Waco community wanted to be there.

00:19:04.000 There's a community college down the street and members of their chapter and members of their community reach out to us saying that they wanted to come.

00:19:12.000 We had countless alumni reach out to us just asking about attendance for the event and they were unfortunately turned away by the university and it's hard to tell members of the Baylor family, which we like to call anybody who's past or present member of the University Baylor family.

00:19:30.000 And it's hard to tell people in the Baylor family that they can't come, but the university had no problem doing that.

00:19:35.000 And that's something that I really, really think they're going to feel the pain from that because the donors and the alumni are not happy about it.

00:19:45.000 Yeah, I can tell you, I got a ton of.

00:19:46.000 I have zero connection to the Baylor community other than friends.

00:19:50.000 And I was talking with Ken Paxton's team because he obviously spoke last night.

00:19:54.000 It was just shocking that they wouldn't allow that to happen.

00:19:58.000 And by the way, just so we're very clear, they made some statements saying this was originally, this is how it was always originally designed, this event.

00:20:06.000 That's not true.

00:20:07.000 We got the paperwork.

00:20:08.000 We got the approvals for the original requests when we booked the venue.

00:20:12.000 So, anyways, whatever.

00:20:13.000 I don't even want to dwell on that, Peter, because you guys pulled off an amazing event.

00:20:17.000 But just to be clear, we had 4,500 people from the Waco community, most of them probably alumni of the university.

00:20:26.000 And, like you said, other neighboring schools that wanted to be a part of this event.

00:20:30.000 And, I mean, it really is tragic because, you know, then they green light this counter protest movement, this inclusive event, trying to kind of sabotage the event.

00:20:41.000 You know, and they were claiming some of their decisions were based on security protocols, this and that.

00:20:46.000 Well, if you were worried about security, why would you green light an event at the same time with a bunch of people that probably wish us ill and maybe worse?

00:20:57.000 Absolutely.

00:20:57.000 And I have two points on that.

00:20:59.000 First, the event that they had, I'm sure Charlie would agree.

00:21:03.000 I have no issue with alternative organizations hosting something on campus.

00:21:06.000 In fact, I encourage it because both sides need to be heard.

00:21:10.000 But I feel like there's a, A lot of dishonesty behind hosting it on the same day because if you really wanted to make sure that both voices were heard, you'd have their event on one day, which I would love to have attended it by the way, but I couldn't because we had to set up for ours.

00:21:25.000 And then we would invite them to ours, and then both sides could be heard by the entire Waco community or the Baylor community.

00:21:32.000 But I just think it was dishonest on their part and on the university's part by putting them at the same time because it's like you have to choose one side or the other when it's really not supposed to be about that.

00:21:42.000 It's supposed to be about hearing both sides and then.

00:21:45.000 Making a decision for yourself.

00:21:46.000 Yeah, well said.

00:21:47.000 I'm going to play a clip from part of your speech here.

00:21:50.000 I thought you did a great job.

00:21:52.000 I watched it all.

00:21:53.000 I really do.

00:21:55.000 Peter, I can't say enough good things, man.

00:21:59.000 You persevered in one of the most, the toughest event, you know, situations that I've seen.

00:22:05.000 And I've been around this game for a long time at this point.

00:22:08.000 And you crushed it.

00:22:10.000 You came through with flying colors.

00:22:12.000 And that speaks so highly about the quality of person that you are and the quality of students that we have at Baylor.

00:22:18.000 And I'm just, so if I sound effusive, it's because it's authentic.

00:22:23.000 I really mean that.

00:22:24.000 So here we go.

00:22:25.000 Let's just play cut 26 from your speech.

00:22:28.000 When we table, we'll ask a controversial question.

00:22:31.000 We'll also make sure that it's known that it's okay to disagree with us.

00:22:35.000 My favorite days of tabling are those days when the agrees and the disagrees are pretty even.

00:22:42.000 Because those are the days that the most civil discourse is happening, and those are the days that Charlie would be the most proud of.

00:22:49.000 You continue, SOT 27.

00:22:51.000 There's been a great decline in civil discourse.

00:22:54.000 People don't talk about the issues anymore.

00:22:57.000 I'm too scared to be judged or canceled.

00:23:00.000 So instead, we can find ourselves in a political monolith.

00:23:04.000 We surround ourselves with people who think exactly like us.

00:23:08.000 And I don't mean we only, I mean everybody.

00:23:11.000 I love these clips, Peter, because I can tell that you really believe in the mission, and that is free and open dialogue, open debate, civil debate.

00:23:22.000 We opened the show today talking about Hassan Piker, who's promoting an idea called social murder, which is basically you can justify all sorts of terrible, evil.

00:23:32.000 You know, things including assassination and murder culture, you here are representing our vision, the turning point vision of open dialogue, Charlie's vision of civil debate, civil discourse, the things that make this country great and have made this country great for now 250 years.

00:23:49.000 Why is that so important to you?

00:23:50.000 And do you see the, I guess, the building, the gathering of momentum for those beliefs, or do you see that they're declining?

00:24:00.000 I really do feel that.

00:24:03.000 The point where my, as I said last night, my goal and my role at this university and in this chapter became clear to me was after what happened to Charlie.

00:24:12.000 Because the only reason that what happened to him occurred was because people have stopped having those conversations.

00:24:20.000 10 years ago, civil discourse was just another thing that happened every day.

00:24:24.000 People would talk about the tough issues, but it wouldn't be something that would make you say, I don't want my family at Thanksgiving because they're supporting this candidate.

00:24:32.000 And now we're at this point where People don't talk to their family members because they figured out who they voted for.

00:24:39.000 And I think that that's probably one of the craziest examples that exists.

00:24:44.000 But it really goes down to the fact that people don't talk about the issues anymore.

00:24:49.000 Because if we talk about the issues, I find more often than not when we table that even the craziest of liberals, with notable exceptions, will find common ground with them and will shake hands after the conversation and they'll walk away.

00:25:03.000 And I feel good about it.

00:25:04.000 And I'm sure they do too.

00:25:05.000 And that's the kind of thing that I know Charlie was promoting and doing every time that he went on a college campus.

00:25:12.000 And that's what I think we need to keep doing.

00:25:13.000 And that's what I mean when I say continuing his legacy.

00:25:16.000 Yeah.

00:25:17.000 God bless you, man.

00:25:18.000 There's this graph that I've thrown up on the show a lot, but it's something that I keep with me, actually.

00:25:27.000 It was taken by YouGov and The Economist, September 12th through the 15th, 2025.

00:25:34.000 And so this is just a few days after Charlie's murder.

00:25:37.000 And I would suspect that even some people that were polled in this probably didn't say exactly what they thought because of the rawness of Charlie's murder.

00:25:49.000 So I actually think these numbers would be higher.

00:25:52.000 But if you look at that left side of that graph in that blue bubble up at the top, what that reveals is about 29% of 18 to 39 year old self described liberals, progressives, believe it is justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals.

00:26:15.000 Almost like one third, essentially, of 18 to 39 year olds believe that violence is justified to achieve political goals.

00:26:22.000 What do you think when you see that graph, Peter?

00:26:25.000 I think that is the result of spending eight years calling one political ideology Nazis and fascists.

00:26:32.000 Because when you label somebody something that's been historically demonized, right?

00:26:37.000 I mean, Nazis were bad people.

00:26:39.000 But when you label an entire ideology as that, violence doesn't seem like it's unacceptable.

00:26:46.000 And I'm sure that that's what's gotten into the minds of plenty of people on the left.

00:26:51.000 And that's why we see so much violence toward alternative opinions.

00:26:55.000 Turning point is another one of those trigger words.

00:26:58.000 It's kind of funny because I've been told that I lead a white supremacist club on campus, but I'm not white.

00:27:06.000 And neither is our vice president, or our treasurer, or our secretary.

00:27:12.000 And I know that sounds like DEI, but it is not.

00:27:16.000 They're just very, very strong believers in the conservative movement.

00:27:20.000 Great.

00:27:21.000 Peter, well done again.

00:27:21.000 Great event last night.

00:27:24.000 Huge triumph.

00:27:25.000 And I want to ask you had.

00:27:28.000 Attorney General Ken Paxton there last night.

00:27:30.000 I don't know if you got to interact with him at all.

00:27:31.000 What is the vibe on campus when it comes to this Senate race that's looming in Texas?

00:27:39.000 Paxton versus Cornyn.

00:27:40.000 Do you guys talk about it?

00:27:41.000 What's the vibe?

00:27:42.000 I got to say, that's one of the things that doesn't seem to come up too often.

00:27:45.000 I know that when we table, we like to mention voting and all that.

00:27:50.000 But I do know a few people are really, really excited about getting Cornyn out of there.

00:27:58.000 Since he's been there since 2002, which I think is one of the biggest problems we have in our entire government is that people get to sit in Congress for 24 years.

00:28:10.000 But I'd say there's not a huge buzz, but people know that it's an important race, especially within our club.

00:28:18.000 And we were excited to have him come.

00:28:20.000 Awesome.

00:28:20.000 He's been there since 2002, and he seems to think it's still 2002.

00:28:24.000 He seems, and he thinks it's his.

00:28:26.000 I mean, there's a huge backlash.

00:28:28.000 I don't know, Peter, if you're aware, but.

00:28:30.000 Everything that happened in Virginia, which we're going to get into at the top of the next hour with Ken Cuccinelli about what the courts are going to do with the redistricting in Virginia.

00:28:37.000 But, you know, there was $100 million spent in the primary, not even the runoff, right?

00:28:44.000 So, and it's probably going to tally up to $150, $150 million to attack a Republican in that state.

00:28:52.000 So it's a big, big, big issue there.

00:28:55.000 What other issues are kids talking about?

00:28:57.000 When you're tabling or when you're talking with your campus, the chapter members, what are people passionate about?

00:29:03.000 What are young people thinking about right now?

00:29:05.000 Totally honest.

00:29:06.000 The thing that seems to come up more than anything else in conversation is that I've seen files.

00:29:12.000 And everybody, anytime that we try to go on to another topic, and we will, we'll get productive conversations there.

00:29:18.000 But everybody's saying, you know, I would just feel so much better about this administration and about our country if I knew why the pedophiles are being protected and why we haven't gone after them yet.

00:29:30.000 And I have to agree with that sentiment.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, interesting.

00:29:33.000 So, when you do have a note for President Trump, I mean, I, you know, Turning Point is a C3 in your personal capacity, however.

00:29:42.000 How would you like to see the administration handle this to make it easier for a student like you on campus to table and talk about it?

00:29:48.000 I really just think that the, I don't want to say maybe flip flopping is the right way to put it on what the message about Epstein was, where it's, oh, we're going to release it when we get in the office.

00:29:59.000 Oh, wait, it's on my desk.

00:30:01.000 Oh, wait, there is no file.

00:30:03.000 And then they release it, and all of the names of the people we want to go after are hidden.

00:30:08.000 And I feel like it makes me have a little distrust.

00:30:14.000 I can't lie.

00:30:15.000 And I had right up there, A Trump flag.

00:30:18.000 And I didn't take it down because I don't like him anymore, but I realized this flag is the most important one.

00:30:23.000 And, but I do really think that a lot of people who voted for him would have a lot more trust if those names and things like that were to be released because those are bad people.

00:30:37.000 And there's no doubt about that.

00:30:38.000 And I think we all voted for Trump to see him make our country better.

00:30:43.000 And I think a lot of the biggest way he can do that is to get rid of the bad people and bad people.

00:30:50.000 Like that, yeah.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:51.000 No, I think that was really insightful.

00:30:53.000 And I'm not even saying you're right.

00:30:55.000 I'm, or that the vibes are right because I actually have thoughts about basically a lot of that.

00:31:01.000 But it's very important that the people in power understand what kids like you feel about it.

00:31:08.000 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:31:09.000 Like, so whether or not you could argue the details on that, and I know Blake has a lot of thoughts, but it's so important that they understand that this is the perception.

00:31:19.000 Mm hmm.

00:31:19.000 Blake, I don't know if you have thoughts.

00:31:20.000 No, I think that's very strong.

00:31:21.000 I think you can complain about what the public thinks, but you can't override what the public thinks.

00:31:27.000 You can't ignore what it thinks.

00:31:29.000 And I think in all of our discussions with youth leaders, and we want honesty about this because that's the only way you can get truth.

00:31:36.000 We have seen there has been a vibe shift in a way we wouldn't like over the past year.

00:31:41.000 And we're basically six months away from an election.

00:31:46.000 Besides those names, is there anything, maybe an issue that's less appreciated that people aren't talking about as much?

00:31:53.000 Like, what could be something?

00:31:55.000 The administration might come out, catch people by surprise that might excite conservative leaning students or those who were independents who gave Trump a shot in 2024.

00:32:05.000 I'd say the two biggest things that I feel like our chapter focuses on a lot I think there's a lot of people who think that the deportation efforts haven't gone far enough.

00:32:12.000 Now, I'm happy because when compared with the previous administration, the numbers are great.

00:32:19.000 But I would also agree, I'm a son of a Cuban immigrant.

00:32:24.000 My grandparents brought my dad here.

00:32:26.000 Started a new life in America, did it the right way.

00:32:29.000 And that's also something I love to bring up when people say, Oh, you don't know what it's like.

00:32:33.000 And I said, I am Hispanic.

00:32:34.000 I actually do know what it's like.

00:32:36.000 But I think the immigration issue is certainly something that people are really focused on.

00:32:41.000 They want more deportations.

00:32:43.000 And also the position on pro life and how I don't know how true that is, but I saw something that said that Planned Parenthood is getting funding again from the government.

00:32:57.000 And I Believe that to be one of the gravest evils that is in our country, and I wish that our government would stop funding it.

00:33:05.000 I'm not sure I know the answer to that, actually.

00:33:07.000 I'm not sure I, yeah, well, I'm gonna look into that because that's it.

00:33:10.000 If that is the case, then I'm gonna raise holy hell about it as well.

00:33:13.000 So, what about um, we got about a minute and a half here, Peter. 0.95

00:33:17.000 What about Israel?

00:33:18.000 Yeah, that's another one.

00:33:20.000 I think that it's something that um, one of our chapter members uh kind of got a little famous off of a clip uh, at Amfest.

00:33:31.000 Talking to Ben Shapiro about it.

00:33:33.000 And he, a lot of people agree with him.

00:33:36.000 And I can't say that I'm fully one way or another on it, but I do know, as I said before, this is the flag that I care about.

00:33:43.000 And when I cast my vote in 2024, my intention behind that was that I want our president to serve us.

00:33:53.000 And I'm not saying Trump's not, but I want our government, the people who we elect, to serve us.

00:33:59.000 And I can't lie when I say it feels like that hasn't really.

00:34:04.000 Changed a ton since the last administration because you have Biden, right?

00:34:09.000 And money's going to Ukraine, money's going here, money's going there.

00:34:12.000 And I still see those checks being written out to other countries.

00:34:17.000 And I'm wondering hey, I mean, other than the border, which of course is a great thing, what other issues are we handling with the money?

00:34:27.000 Because that money could go to homeless people in New York City.

00:34:30.000 I'm from New York.

00:34:30.000 There's so many things I just wish that the money we are sending to other countries who have issues could be put at.

00:34:36.000 Board issues in our country.

00:34:38.000 Well, Peter, again, I think there's important details to all of these topics that could be in the administration's favor, but I think it's, I didn't want to argue, and I think your perspective is so valid and so important to hear.

00:34:52.000 And I'm going to clip this up and put it on social so they can.

00:34:54.000 Peter Fernandez, great job last night at Baylor University.

00:34:58.000 One of the truly great leaders we have.

00:35:02.000 I wasn't expecting this, I have to say.

00:35:04.000 But death of recess, it stopped me in my tracks.

00:35:08.000 This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms, it's about control.

00:35:12.000 The modern American classroom didn't just happen, it was intentionally designed, it was standardized and centralized.

00:35:18.000 And once you see who built it and who protects it, everything clicks.

00:35:22.000 Billions of dollars are flowing through education bureaucracies every year.

00:35:26.000 Test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less.

00:35:30.000 Parental authority.

00:35:32.000 The documentary breaks down how organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess, movement, freedom, childhood, you know, had to go.

00:35:46.000 That's not random.

00:35:48.000 That's systemic.

00:35:49.000 Institutions protect themselves, they do not protect your kids.

00:35:52.000 And that's why this documentary exists on Angel Studio streaming platform Angel Guild.

00:35:57.000 Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't.

00:36:03.000 Touch them.

00:36:04.000 So, right now, go to angel.com/slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess right now.

00:36:10.000 If you're a parent or plan to be, you need to see this.

00:36:12.000 That's angel.com/slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess.

00:36:17.000 Breaking tonight, a circuit court in Virginia ruled a short time ago, within the past two hours, that the redistricting referendum passed by voters yesterday is unconstitutional.

00:36:31.000 The judge is now blocking certification of the election and denying a motion to stay pending appeal.

00:36:38.000 So, big news out of Virginia.

00:36:40.000 We have been following this story closely.

00:36:42.000 All credit to Blake.

00:36:44.000 He's been forcing us, and actually, I was very into it.

00:36:47.000 I didn't fight him on it, but he's been banging the drum on Virginia for quite some time now.

00:36:52.000 So, we've had a number of guests trying to raise the alarm, trying to raise awareness about Virginia.

00:36:57.000 We lost barely in a very winnable race.

00:37:00.000 But there still remains legal troubles for this new map.

00:37:03.000 Here to help us unpack that is Ken Cuccinelli, the former attorney general of the state of Virginia.

00:37:08.000 Should have been governor, as a matter of fact.

00:37:11.000 And a really brilliant legal mind.

00:37:14.000 Ken, welcome back to the show.

00:37:15.000 Good to be with you all.

00:37:16.000 Yeah.

00:37:17.000 So it's the first time having you back on after Charlie.

00:37:20.000 And so it's good to see you, honestly.

00:37:22.000 It's good to see old faces that we've had on and have you back on.

00:37:26.000 And we're trying to hold it down.

00:37:28.000 And we're just honored to have you here.

00:37:29.000 And you're a brilliant legal mind that Charlie really respected.

00:37:32.000 And you've been out in the public saying, hey, not so fast, everybody.

00:37:36.000 There could be still problems for this map.

00:37:38.000 Tell us your thoughts on it and what you see that's going to happen here.

00:37:42.000 So the way the Democrats jammed this through, they.

00:37:46.000 They broke the rules.

00:37:47.000 I know that will shock everyone.

00:37:49.000 But like many states, Virginia's constitution so, this is state constitutional issues we're talking about, not federal.

00:37:59.000 So, no federal courts will be involved in most of these decisions.

00:38:04.000 But our state constitution requires that if you want to amend the constitution, in this case, to get rid of our bipartisan redistricting commission, which is what they were doing, you have to pass an amendment through the General Assembly, have an election.

00:38:19.000 Of the General Assembly, and then have what's called second passage.

00:38:25.000 And then at least 90 days have to go by before it is submitted to the voters.

00:38:31.000 But let's review what happened.

00:38:34.000 Virginia has 45 day elections, thanks to the Democrats.

00:38:39.000 The last time they had three way control, governor in both houses, they gave us 45 day elections.

00:38:45.000 And they didn't do first passage of this amendment until Halloween last year.

00:38:51.000 Now, a reminder to folks that Virginia is one of those states that has odd year elections.

00:38:56.000 Abigail Spanberger was elected governor last year.

00:38:59.000 I didn't particularly appreciate that, but.

00:39:02.000 But it was in the odd year.

00:39:04.000 Well, they did this on Halloween, but voting started on September 19th, six weeks before.

00:39:11.000 Over a million people had already voted, and they wanted to count that election as the constitutionally required intervening election.

00:39:21.000 And that's going to be very challenging for them to pull off.

00:39:24.000 That was problem number one with that effort on Halloween.

00:39:28.000 The other problem was they claimed to be in a special session.

00:39:32.000 A lot of state legislatures, unlike Congress, they do very discreet sessions.

00:39:38.000 We only have a 45 day or 60 day session in Virginia.

00:39:43.000 They were claiming that the special session called in May of 2024 to finalize a budget was still alive and open, and they could propose the constitutional amendment in it.

00:39:58.000 And the problem with that is that get outside the boundaries of what the special session was called.

00:40:04.000 For which it was called, you need a two thirds vote of the General Assembly.

00:40:08.000 And of course, they don't have that kind of a majority in Virginia, and Republicans would never go along with it.

00:40:13.000 So there was no two thirds vote.

00:40:16.000 Those two issues are in front of the Supreme Court of Virginia right now as we speak.

00:40:21.000 The ruling that you ran the Fox piece on from yesterday from Taswell Circuit Court is a third constitutional challenge because the second time they passed the amendment was January.

00:40:36.000 16th, I want to say, of this year, 2026.

00:40:40.000 And the Constitution says there must be 90 days between second passage and when it is submitted to the voters.

00:40:48.000 Well, the referendum end date, April 21st, was more than 90 days later.

00:40:54.000 But because we have that 45 day election, this was submitted to the voters on March 6th.

00:41:02.000 And the judge in Taswell said, That's not 90 days, folks.

00:41:06.000 You have violated this part of the Constitution.

00:41:09.000 Again.

00:41:10.000 And so he threw it out for that reason.

00:41:13.000 And on top of it, there were statutory reasons as well, like the unfair ballot language and so forth.

00:41:19.000 But there are just so many.

00:41:20.000 We could list it.

00:41:21.000 The judge put a laundry list together yesterday of ways they violated the Constitution and laws of Virginia, to his credit.

00:41:30.000 But this is going to go fast in the Virginia Supreme Court.

00:41:33.000 They are hearing oral argument at 9 a.m. on Monday.

00:41:36.000 I think they'll probably rule in just a couple of weeks.

00:41:40.000 So, I guess that's the obvious question.

00:41:42.000 What's the setup of the Supreme Court?

00:41:44.000 Do we have a reason to be optimistic?

00:41:46.000 And I suppose if they don't rule the way we want, is there a potential for federal involvement in this case?

00:41:53.000 So, our Supreme Court has behaved in a less political manner than most Supreme Courts have.

00:42:00.000 It is 4 3 Republican Democrat in terms of appointees throughout 2026.

00:42:06.000 But I would foresee the possibility of a 7 0 ruling on the intervening election question before them, and possibly even the special session question.

00:42:19.000 So the partisan question about justices would go away if it was unanimous, of course.

00:42:25.000 And the folks who barely squeaked by 51 and a half to 48 and a half on Tuesday with the referendum to undo our bipartisan redistricting, which, by the way, passed 2 1.

00:42:39.000 In 2020.

00:42:40.000 It was wildly popular. 0.74

00:42:44.000 This referendum outspent the no folks by three or four to one.

00:42:49.000 And early on, it was 10 to one.

00:42:52.000 So they needed all their money to get by.

00:42:55.000 And now they have to win every single constitutional challenge to hold on to their win.

00:43:01.000 We only have to win one.

00:43:03.000 It doesn't matter if it's unconstitutional for one reason or for four reasons.

00:43:08.000 If it's unconstitutional, the referendum will be thrown out.

00:43:11.000 So, I know that there was already a lot of skepticism from the courts on all these questions that you bring up, and yet they allowed the referendum to go forward anyway.

00:43:21.000 The worry that goes in my heart is I can just see the courts coming up with some excuse where they would basically say, you know, there's these constitutional questions.

00:43:31.000 They seem really bad, but could we really overturn the expressed will of the people as shown in this referendum?

00:43:36.000 I'm worried that the entire setup was to engineer that excuse that they could offer.

00:43:42.000 Let me ease your heart a bit.

00:43:44.000 So, the reason the earlier two constitutional questions that went up to the Supreme Court were held there and they let the referendum go forward is that we have over 100 years of precedent in Virginia that treat the vote of the people as part of the legislative process that has to be completed before courts can take up any of the issues related to the referendum.

00:44:12.000 It's very much analogous to the governor signing or vetoing a bill.

00:44:16.000 The court would never take up, we've got an assault weapons ban coming.

00:44:20.000 I expect to sue on it, but I'm not going to sue until the governor either signs or vetoes the bill.

00:44:27.000 Of course, she vetoes it.

00:44:28.000 I won't sue.

00:44:29.000 But that completes the legislative process.

00:44:33.000 And the courts will not, as a matter of separation of powers, take up a challenge to a law or a referendum until after the legislative process is complete.

00:44:43.000 That's really thorough there, Ken.

00:44:45.000 Former attorney general of the great state of Vermont.

00:44:48.000 That's how we do it, right?

00:44:48.000 A commonwealth.

00:44:49.000 Great commonwealth of Virginia.

00:44:51.000 And you should have been governor.

00:44:55.000 You, okay.

00:44:56.000 So the reason I bring this up, Ken.

00:44:58.000 I was talking to you about it.

00:44:59.000 Totally.

00:45:00.000 So this referendum.

00:45:01.000 You do it, Blake.

00:45:02.000 This referendum, we threw no money at it.

00:45:04.000 And then we end up losing by less than 100,000 votes.

00:45:08.000 And I was telling Andrew, I used to live in Virginia and I've been around the block a bunch of times.

00:45:13.000 And I moved to your state in 2013.

00:45:16.000 And I remember that race.

00:45:18.000 Ken Cuccinelli, he can't win.

00:45:20.000 Let's not spend any money on this.

00:45:22.000 And you lose by 100,000 votes.

00:45:24.000 Yeah.

00:45:25.000 And there was a libertarian in that race, right, that siphoned some of the vote for you as well.

00:45:30.000 You could have been governor, should have been governor.

00:45:32.000 And now here we are.

00:45:33.000 Fast forward 2026.

00:45:35.000 And we have all these court questions that you're making really good points on, Ken.

00:45:39.000 But we shouldn't even have to get there because, listen, so I just want you to kind of give your POV.

00:45:45.000 I don't mean to make this political.

00:45:46.000 You're very legal minded and you're pretty good about staying above the fray.

00:45:51.000 But what does that mean to you as a Virginian and an American, as a conservative, when you see the way that we are prioritizing different races around the country?

00:45:58.000 Ken Paxton versus Cornyn in Texas comes to mind $100, $150 million blown on RVR fighting.

00:46:07.000 What do you think, Ken?

00:46:08.000 Well, certainly in this referendum, the money that did come to our side came late.

00:46:15.000 And so let's break out the voting.

00:46:19.000 We have three types of voting in Virginia.

00:46:20.000 I told you we have 45 days of voting, thanks to the Democrats.

00:46:24.000 No state needs 45 days of voting. 0.93

00:46:26.000 That's silly.

00:46:27.000 But the in person voting, the in person early voting, yes, beat no by about a point and a half.

00:46:34.000 It was actually only half of the margin of the total on election day, and that was about 29% of the vote.

00:46:42.000 On election day, our side won 54 45 in person voting on election day.

00:46:50.000 That was about 56% of the vote or so.

00:46:56.000 But where they won the race was the mail in balloting, which they won by 45 points, even though it was only 11 or 12% of the total vote.

00:47:07.000 The margin was so big.

00:47:08.000 And this is where you're supposedly nonpartisan, nonpolitical.

00:47:13.000 Entities that people get tax deductions to support and their donations are not reported in election spending.

00:47:21.000 This is the kind of dark money that the left loves while ranting against dark money.

00:47:28.000 And we got hammered with it in Virginia for sure.

00:47:31.000 And you need that money early to run a mail program.

00:47:36.000 You don't just stand a mail program up at the last second when money starts to come in.

00:47:40.000 So we got hurt in two different ways because of the amount of money and when it arrived.

00:47:48.000 Now, I know we've seen some complaints on X and other venues where people have said, I mean, the classic thing is Fairfax always drops their votes last.

00:47:58.000 Some people have said mail in votes came out last.

00:48:02.000 Do you think there's any signs of foul play, or do you think we should focus on just the money stuff, the constitutional questions, and so on?

00:48:12.000 Well, first of all, we should absolutely focus like a laser beam on the constitutional questions.

00:48:16.000 We are believers in constitutions, and we.

00:48:20.000 Are well positioned to rely on it to protect us here.

00:48:24.000 Constitutions, in part, are to protect minorities and to rein in governments.

00:48:28.000 And that's exactly what's happening here in Virginia.

00:48:31.000 And we have a good chance of winning on that basis alone.

00:48:35.000 So, you know, there are a lot of other issues.

00:48:37.000 There's national political consequences of this.

00:48:40.000 And that's how the Democrats argued this.

00:48:43.000 They ran against Trump.

00:48:45.000 You know, they said Trump is terrible and he's trying to take Congress.

00:48:49.000 So we need to skew our map 10 to 1 because of national reasons.

00:48:55.000 And that's a pretty rare and new power play.

00:48:59.000 I mean, the people voting yes knew what they were doing, they knew they were just grabbing power.

00:49:04.000 And they're risking an escalation here.

00:49:10.000 The pendulum does swing, right?

00:49:13.000 I am a believer in our Virginia court system as it stands now.

00:49:18.000 I think the Virginia Supreme Court will strike this down.

00:49:21.000 And I think the Democrats will have wasted $70 million of money that could have gone to other places.

00:49:29.000 But to your point, we ended up with around $23 million being spent on our side, so about three to one or more.

00:49:36.000 If that had come earlier, we would have won.

00:49:40.000 If there had been more of it, we probably would have won.

00:49:43.000 On the vote, Without the legal fight.

00:49:46.000 So there's always a limited amount of money.

00:49:49.000 And where it gets spent is always controversial.

00:49:53.000 But it does drive me crazy where you get so much establishment money that far and away their first priority has nothing to do with principles.

00:50:01.000 It's just protecting their own power.

00:50:03.000 So here we are complaining about a power grab by the Democrats.

00:50:07.000 And it happens on the Republican side too, in how they keep, gather, and spend money.

00:50:14.000 Yeah, Kent, I totally agree.

00:50:15.000 And we're going to see it.

00:50:15.000 By the way, in South Carolina as well with Lindsey Graham.

00:50:18.000 So just keep your eyes out for that.

00:50:19.000 But Ken, what about Fairfax to his point?

00:50:22.000 They always hold their vote back.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 So that's, first of all, it's big.

00:50:27.000 And Fairfax likes everybody to think they're well run.

00:50:30.000 It's not that well run, it just isn't.

00:50:33.000 And so there's a lot of just they're lumbering along.

00:50:37.000 They're the biggest oaf in the race.

00:50:39.000 And so don't read too much into it.

00:50:42.000 We do have to pay attention because Fairfax was caught cheating.

00:50:46.000 In the Youngkins race in 2021, they were handing out ballots without voter ID for mail in ballots, hundreds of them.

00:50:56.000 So they do have a history of cheating, but I haven't yet seen that scale that would have turned this vote.

00:51:04.000 Ken Cuccinelli, please, if somebody offers you a job in the DOJ, please take it.

00:51:10.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:51:11.000 Great to see you again, and thank you for your really important analysis there.

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00:52:34.000 You know, Charlie used to talk about rubber rooms a lot.

00:52:38.000 You remember that?

00:52:39.000 Yeah.

00:52:39.000 He was really, really not a fan of rubber rooms, and we're going to get into that.

00:52:45.000 Blake, why don't you take us away?

00:52:46.000 All righty.

00:52:47.000 Well, this is an interesting segment that we've heard about.

00:52:50.000 As you said, yeah, Charlie used to talk about rubber rooms.

00:52:52.000 For those who've forgotten, that's the classic thing in American public education.

00:52:58.000 Our public.

00:52:59.000 Our public schools have unionized teachers across the vast majority of the country.

00:53:04.000 That gets them a lot of benefits for them, and one of them is they're very difficult to fire.

00:53:08.000 Is that good for our kids?

00:53:09.000 Is that good for the country?

00:53:10.000 Well, we're going to talk about that with John Manley.

00:53:14.000 He is a partner at Manley Stewart Finaldi, and he's got a case about the Los Angeles Unified School District.

00:53:23.000 John, are you there?

00:53:24.000 Yes, sir.

00:53:24.000 Hello, welcome to the program.

00:53:26.000 Why don't you just lay out for our viewers what is going on with teachers in the city of Los Angeles?

00:53:32.000 Well, it's we've had cases against LAUSD since 2012 when the Supreme Court first allowed people to file against school districts.

00:53:43.000 In most states, you can't sue a school district even if they know that a teacher has molested kids and they don't take them out of circulation.

00:53:54.000 They allow them access.

00:53:55.000 Fortunately, we changed the law.

00:53:57.000 But to give you a scope nationally, there's two national studies.

00:54:02.000 One in 2004 by Carol Shakeshaft, who was hired by the Department of Education to examine how many children in public schools in this country in K 12 will suffer some sort of sexual misconduct by a teacher or other school employee.

00:54:18.000 And the figure she came up with was 10%.

00:54:20.000 That's in the George W. Bush administration.

00:54:24.000 In the Obama administration, the Justice Department initiated another study how many children in K 12 schools will be molested by or suffer, excuse me, suffer some sort of sexual misconduct.

00:54:36.000 By teachers, administrators, school employees, et cetera.

00:54:41.000 And what the Justice Department concluded, it's 10%.

00:54:43.000 So, to give you an idea, there are 57 million children in K 12 public schools in this country.

00:54:51.000 That means every year, 5.7 million kids will suffer sexual misconduct.

00:54:57.000 That's more than the population of many states.

00:55:00.000 LAUSD is perhaps possibly the worst example.

00:55:04.000 They've paid hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:55:08.000 To settle these cases.

00:55:11.000 And it's important to understand in these cases, it's not enough to prove the abuse happened.

00:55:18.000 Sadly, that's the easy part because many of them are charged and convicted.

00:55:23.000 We have to show a jury that the school district knew or should have known that this teacher was molesting kids and did nothing.

00:55:31.000 Well, we've got a specific example when we were told about.

00:55:36.000 Apparently, there are two teachers.

00:55:39.000 Still employed by the Los Angeles School District who have been convicted of sex offenses, but they're just, they're either reassigned or they're even just assigned to sort of fake jobs.

00:55:50.000 Apparently, in LAUSD, you can just, their policies explicitly say you can just get reassigned instead of fired for sexually harassing students or apparently deliberately exposing students to pornography.

00:56:02.000 Is that accurate?

00:56:03.000 I think the two student teachers you're talking about weren't convicted of sexual offenses.

00:56:08.000 What they were convicting of is knowingly failing to report.

00:56:12.000 Someone who was molesting children, and that's uh Jesus Angulo and Maria Sotomayor.

00:56:18.000 They themselves didn't molest anybody, but they pled guilty to violating uh or NOLO to violating California's mandatory reporting laws.

00:56:28.000 And by not reporting him, this individual who was molesting kids went on to molest more children, and so they were charged by the DA, pled guilty, they were on leave from the school district, and then they hired him back.

00:56:42.000 So, what message does that send?

00:56:44.000 And the message is.

00:56:47.000 Play ball with us, conceal, and we'll take care of you.

00:56:50.000 So, and this is not.

00:56:53.000 Go ahead.

00:56:53.000 I just wanted to pause there really quickly because if you know about a crime and you do not report it, that makes you complicit.

00:57:05.000 And I think that there is some weird cultural phenomenon.

00:57:08.000 I've been thinking about this a long time because you think about what happened with Charlie, and there were all these people that seemingly knew that something was going to happen that day.

00:57:16.000 And it's one of the things I pull my hair out about, candidly, that there hasn't been more action on it.

00:57:21.000 I'm trying to work proper channels and Get action on it.

00:57:24.000 But the point is, if you know something is going to happen, if you know something did happen, you are morally and legally obligated to report that so justice can be done.

00:57:34.000 And so I feel like what's probably happening here is you've got the unions and they're, you know, the people that are supposed to be protecting these teachers, they are not drawing the moral weight that is, you know, mandated by that crime, that inaction.

00:57:52.000 And it frustrates me because there's no moral weight behind it anymore.

00:57:56.000 If you know about a crime, You have to report it.

00:57:59.000 And I don't know where we lost the plot as a society in that.

00:58:02.000 I don't know where our bureaucrats lost the plot on that.

00:58:05.000 You have to report it.

00:58:07.000 So I just, it makes me infuriated when I hear stories like that.

00:58:10.000 It's just as bad.

00:58:11.000 It should.

00:58:12.000 It should.

00:58:12.000 Let me tell you how bad it is.

00:58:14.000 And this is largely driven by teachers' union and school districts.

00:58:18.000 And because most members of school boards actually are former teachers.

00:58:22.000 Now, let me tell you, not all teachers are bad.

00:58:24.000 In many of our cases, the teachers who are heroes are the ones who actually report.

00:58:29.000 And you know what happens often when they do report?

00:58:31.000 They get run over. 0.94

00:58:33.000 Because they're a rat or something. 0.91

00:58:36.000 Teachers' unions nationally oppose mandatory reporting. 0.92

00:58:39.000 Imagine someone who represents people who teach children, and you oppose mandatory reporting of someone you suspect is a child molester.

00:58:51.000 People are exercised and rightfully so about Epstein, but Epstein had two or 300 victims.

00:58:58.000 We're talking about thousands and thousands of children victimized in this country.

00:59:01.000 This is morally repulsive to me to hear.

00:59:04.000 I did not know that, John.

00:59:06.000 That the teachers' unions nationally oppose mandatory reporting of crimes that they see take place?

00:59:14.000 Are you freaking kidding me?

00:59:15.000 Randy Weingarten, the American Federation of Teachers, absolutely, they've put stuff out on it, policies out on it.

00:59:22.000 And we're talking about third graders, little boys and little girls who are in schools and they know.

00:59:32.000 Let me tell you a shocking statistic.

00:59:35.000 So, most parents, I think, assume if they send their kids to a public school and the school suspects and credibly suspects that the teacher, their child's teacher, is a molester and they remove them from the classroom, they tell the parents not the law, not the law in any state.

00:59:52.000 In fact, LAUSD has a policy that says, Well, the local administrator or the local superintendent, excuse me, may tell the parents.

01:00:01.000 Not shall, may.

01:00:03.000 I have cases in LAUSD, in Miramonte, the Miramonte case, all over the district where teachers were removed from schools because they were suspected of child abuse and parents weren't told.

01:00:19.000 And, you know, children don't typically spontaneously report.

01:00:24.000 If that teacher's in a classroom with children MLS1, He probably or she probably molests 20.

01:00:31.000 And so you have people, you have little boys and little girls that are going through their whole lives that were molested that typically don't report till their 30s and 40s and living with this.

01:00:42.000 And let me tell you, when this happens to a child, it is emotional murder.

01:00:47.000 It is the worst, most evil thing.

01:00:49.000 And I mean evil in the satanic sense of the word.

01:00:53.000 You know, we were talking earlier in our one about Hassan Piker talking about social murder.

01:00:57.000 You want to talk about social murder?

01:00:59.000 How about Randy Weingarten needs to be brought before Congress and explain herself for opposing something so frickin' common sense as mandatory reporting of the molestation of a child?

01:01:10.000 As we mentioned, another thing, since we're looping in Piker, he also believes private schooling should be illegal.

01:01:15.000 So we're kind of creating this world.

01:01:17.000 They want it to be required to go to public schools.

01:01:20.000 And then these public school teachers aren't mandatory reporters, don't have to be fired for extreme misconduct in cases like this.

01:01:28.000 And then just to paint another part of this, This school district, they just negotiated a new contract with the city of Los Angeles because they were going to go on strike otherwise.

01:01:40.000 Where their base salary, when you start fresh out of school, is $70,000.

01:01:44.000 And you can get $160,000 a year as a teacher in LAUSD.

01:01:48.000 For failing to report molesters in your class.

01:01:51.000 For nine months a year of work where you don't have to report molesters.

01:01:54.000 This is obscene.

01:01:56.000 I genuinely don't think that the average person understands that the.

01:02:00.000 Public school teacher unions and Randy Weingarten is opposing mandatory reporting of an incident of a criminal, disgusting, evil, vile incident on young kids.

01:02:15.000 Well, they actually have reports on their website.

01:02:17.000 You can go on it.

01:02:18.000 If you search opposing mandatory reporting teachers union on Google, it'll tell you.

01:02:22.000 What's your rationale, John?

01:02:25.000 Well, what they say is, oh, we're going to separate families.

01:02:29.000 They don't focus on the sexual abuse at all.

01:02:32.000 What do you mean they're going to separate families?

01:02:33.000 What do they even mean by that?

01:02:34.000 Mandatory reporting doesn't just include sexual abuse, it includes child abuse and this sort of thing.

01:02:40.000 And they basically say, look, we need to support parents, not report parents.

01:02:45.000 But what they don't address at all is the sexual abuse component.

01:02:49.000 And here's my theory Imagine if the Catholic bishops in 2002.

01:02:56.000 At the height of the pre scandal, they took the position they opposed mandatory reporting.

01:03:01.000 Imagine the reaction that that would have incurred.

01:03:06.000 Imagine 10% of Pickin' Airlines flight attendants were molesting children.

01:03:11.000 Imagine the outrage that would occur.

01:03:14.000 And here we have 10% of America's children in public schools.

01:03:19.000 And by the way, it's not like church.

01:03:26.000 You have to go to public school, you have to go to school, or your parents go to jail.

01:03:30.000 So we're making people go to this place that's not safe.

01:03:34.000 You know, we've hardened schools and put fences around them because of a fear of school shootings.

01:03:40.000 I think we've had less than 300 kids tragically killed in school shootings.

01:03:44.000 If those statistics are correct, and these are not my statistics, this is Barack Obama's administration statistics and George W. Bush administration statistics. 0.74

01:03:54.000 We have a holocaust of children in public schools, and the teachers that are trying to stop it are punished. 0.80

01:04:01.000 That's this is obscene, and I, you know, they're conflating two different issues here with this policy. 0.92

01:04:06.000 But Randy Warringard is an absolute crazed lunatic leftist, and I'm not kidding, John. 0.72

01:04:13.000 Hearing this, I want her dragged before Congress to explain herself on this, Blake. 0.82

01:04:18.000 This whole mandatory reporting thing is true.

01:04:21.000 We have like images of it when mandatory reporting does more harm than good.

01:04:25.000 Tools for a new approach, more harm than good.

01:04:29.000 Yeah, more harm than just does your student have bruises all over his arm and is lashing out.

01:04:33.000 Well, here's a new approach, you know.

01:04:35.000 It's true.

01:04:36.000 This is a real thing.

01:04:38.000 We've built, I think a lot of people are not aware of just how much power these unionized teachers have.

01:04:46.000 And keep in mind, when you have a union in the private sector, there's certain limits on what they can demand because if the company goes under, everyone loses.

01:04:54.000 But when you have the union at the Los Angeles Unified School District, they're negotiating with people who are members of their own party who actually have a political interest in placating them.

01:05:06.000 And they can just soak taxpayers for it.

01:05:08.000 It's a completely messed up arrangement, and they can just demand more and more and more.

01:05:13.000 And the end result is your children are basically left as prey for predators, and they're subject to the state, basically.

01:05:23.000 I mean, anyways, John Manley, you were about ready to hold forth.

01:05:28.000 So please continue on with what you were saying.

01:05:31.000 Well, I wanted to give you an example in California of what we're dealing with.

01:05:34.000 So, what I think what I'll call the public educational establishment is afraid of is that if Americans understand the magnitude and the scope of the molestations, there's going to be a political volcanic reaction.

01:05:52.000 And so we have Assemblyman Robert Rivas, who's the Speaker of the California Assembly, a guy named Senator Ben Allen, who represents the Santa Monica Malibu area.

01:06:07.000 And Assemblyman Ward, who represents San Diego, and Assemblyman, I'm sorry, Senator John Weiner, who represents San Francisco, who's currently running for Nancy Pelosi's seat.

01:06:19.000 Collectively, these individuals are trying to get a bill passed that would effectively eliminate the ability of parents to sue school districts when they knowingly allow a molester in a classroom.

01:06:36.000 Instead, what they wanted to do is put together what they called a 9 11 style.

01:06:41.000 Victims fund.

01:06:43.000 Now, if you have to put a victims fund together, you have a massive problem.

01:06:48.000 And fortunately, we and actually, it was a coalition of Republicans and a few Democrats, heroic Democrats, who stood up and said, We're not doing this.

01:06:58.000 This is wrong.

01:07:00.000 We're not going to allow you to do this to children.

01:07:02.000 And that's their solution to the problem.

01:07:04.000 Their solution to the problem is effectively make it go away.

01:07:08.000 Because every time we file a lawsuit in one of these cases, The perpetrator gets removed from the classroom, and most of the time they get charged.

01:07:17.000 Because of the failure to report, the widespread failure to report, the only two people I've been doing this since 1997 I've ever seen charged in any abuse case, and I've probably done thousands, are those two people at LAUSD.

01:07:34.000 That's it.

01:07:35.000 The statute's two years for failure to report, and it's a misdemeanor.

01:07:39.000 No one goes to jail.

01:07:42.000 In the priest cases, what really happened is the bishops took notice of the liability.

01:07:48.000 But what really stopped it is when people who were in high positions in dioceses knowingly covered this up, they went to prison.

01:07:57.000 It stopped.

01:07:58.000 And the church adopted in 2002 this rule that said, hey, if we have a credibly accused priest, we're going to disclose it.

01:08:08.000 There are very few, very few.

01:08:11.000 Current priest abuse cases because of those policies, and frankly, because of the courage of survivors that came forward.

01:08:17.000 The public schools have nothing like that.

01:08:20.000 There is no central list anywhere in any state of teachers who are abused.

01:08:25.000 You can't figure it out.

01:08:26.000 You can't go to the bar exam, the bar, and say, was this lawyer disbarred?

01:08:32.000 You can't do that on these sites.

01:08:34.000 It's completely outpaced.

01:08:35.000 I just, oh, go ahead.

01:08:36.000 Well, I'm getting so angry.

01:08:37.000 They're sending us more stuff, the outrageous justifications they do.

01:08:41.000 This is more from the American Federation of Teachers, Weingarten's Outfit.

01:08:44.000 Mandatory reporting disproportionately harms black and indigenous children who are more likely to be involved in the child welfare system.

01:08:51.000 This is sometimes due to implicit bias in mandatory reporters. 0.99

01:08:54.000 This is crap, by the way. 0.99

01:08:55.000 You know why that's crap? 1.00

01:08:58.000 Because everybody in the LA U.S. Unified School District is like minority. 0.99

01:09:02.000 There's only, what, 10% white kids. 1.00

01:09:04.000 So stop with this crap. 1.00

01:09:06.000 All of our clients are Ladino and black. 1.00

01:09:08.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:09:08.000 So stop with this crap. 1.00

01:09:10.000 You're not like it's us versus the world anymore. 0.99

01:09:12.000 You are LA now, you are LA Unified School District.

01:09:15.000 I'm going to play this TED talk that you referenced before.

01:09:18.000 It was Shake Shaft, Cheryl Shake Shaft.

01:09:20.000 Cheryl Shake Shaft.

01:09:23.000 Yeah, SOT 28.

01:09:25.000 Does this happen a lot?

01:09:27.000 Yes.

01:09:28.000 At any one time, 10% of elementary, middle, and high school students are the target of school employee sexual misconduct.

01:09:39.000 That's 5.7 million students at any one time.

01:09:46.000 And as to the second question, why do school employees sexually abuse and exploit students?

01:09:54.000 I now know the answer to that too.

01:09:58.000 Because they can.

01:10:00.000 So, let me.

01:10:01.000 Yeah, well, here's the really bad news. 1.00

01:10:07.000 So, that woman published a book.

01:10:09.000 Actually, she didn't publish it, Harvard University Press published it. 1.00

01:10:13.000 So, not exactly a bastion of right wing thought.

01:10:17.000 In December of 24, they published her book.

01:10:20.000 She now comes to the conclusion, and I think rightfully so, the numbers actually 17% of children are subject to some sort of sexual misconduct by school personnel in public schools.

01:10:34.000 This needs to stop.

01:10:35.000 It shouldn't be a partisan issue.

01:10:38.000 We need national hearings, Senate or House hearings on this issue.

01:10:43.000 To my knowledge, there has never been a public hearing anywhere on this topic.

01:10:49.000 And, you know, I beg any right thinking person, left wing, right wing, Democratic socialist, conservative Republican, please step up for our kids because this is real.

01:11:02.000 And we deal with it every day.

01:11:05.000 John, great stuff.

01:11:06.000 Really important.

01:11:07.000 Thank you.

01:11:08.000 We need to get some action items for folks.

01:11:10.000 So we're going to revisit this.

01:11:12.000 But thank you so much.

01:11:13.000 Thanks, guys.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 23, 2026

The Left's Agenda: "Social Murder" and "Micro-Looting"

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