The Charlie Kirk Show - The Left's False Choice Psy-Ops

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00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here live from thebitcoin.com studio.

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00:00:24.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:26.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:00:35.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:36.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:00:54.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:58.000 Whenever I want to get some clarity when there's murkiness, I either text or invite Steve Dace on the program.

00:01:05.000 He's a very clear thinker and someone that I deeply appreciate when we're in the midst of confusing times.

00:01:12.000 Steve Dace is with Blaze TV, host of the Steve Dace Show.

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00:01:21.000 Steve, great to see you, my friend.

00:01:22.000 Steve, I want you to comment on something that I know you've been riffing on, which is this problem of false choices.

00:01:28.000 It seems as if we're constantly caught in the prism of false choices of the left.

00:01:33.000 They want us to be in this prison of binary false choices. 0.84

00:01:37.000 Life does not work that way.

00:01:38.000 And far too often, we are trapped in that rhetorically and politically.

00:01:44.000 Can you expand on this argument?

00:01:46.000 I think it's very deep.

00:01:47.000 And by the way, we saw this with the Iran thing.

00:01:49.000 Either you're a Ron Paul isolationist or you're a Wolfowitz neoconservative.

00:01:54.000 It's not as if there was a third or fourth or fifth or sixth option.

00:01:57.000 I feel as if this might be part of an information war tactic to try and divide and splinter and schism the conservative movement, Steve Dace.

00:02:06.000 I 100% agree.

00:02:08.000 I think the term that you just defined for us is psyops.

00:02:12.000 What are they?

00:02:12.000 And a great way, Charlie, to debunk those.

00:02:15.000 And sometimes it's referred to the Socratic method, but you see, our Lord used this in the New Testament a lot.

00:02:21.000 The asking of questions in order to expose false choices.

00:02:26.000 Where's your power to forgive sins from?

00:02:28.000 Well, I mean, I'll reveal that if you tell me it was, you know, where did John the Baptist get the power to baptize from?

00:02:33.000 Right?

00:02:34.000 The response of a question with a question so that you can find out is the person that is raising the point, even if you vehemently disagree with it, are they good faith actor or not, Charlie?

00:02:43.000 Or is this in order to cover up what their real argument is?

00:02:47.000 You know, for example, during the Obama years, we had more people on food stamps than the total population of Spain, much of his presidency.

00:02:54.000 And I always wondered at the time, why aren't we celebrating this?

00:02:57.000 I mean, why aren't we having press conferences in the Rose Garden?

00:03:01.000 I mean, if welfare state equals compassion, according to their own messaging over there, then we should be holding press releases.

00:03:07.000 There should be, you know, presidential press gaggles and avails congratulating the American people for the record amount of compassion they are demonstrating through the food stamp program.

00:03:16.000 And notice we did not have that, right?

00:03:18.000 And it's because ultimately those lines are tropes, they're scams, and they're lies.

00:03:22.000 But you need to ask the right questions in order to flesh that out.

00:03:25.000 For example, why would Democrats be hindered so much in the next midterm election if we didn't count illegal aliens? 0.96

00:03:33.000 And one of the things I love to add to that is we use this phrase on our show a lot, which is, what's the benign, innocent explanation for that?

00:03:40.000 What would be the benign and innocent explanation for why Democrats keep telling us that if we don't count illegal aliens in the census, they're going to lose seats.

00:03:47.000 What's a benign, innocent explanation for that?

00:03:49.000 There often isn't one.

00:03:51.000 And you can do this on things like Pro-Life 2, which is, tell you what, you know, listen, I'm a wife begins at conception, and it ought to be 100% banned guy that thinks personhood is granted in the 5th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

00:04:04.000 But, you know, I'll prove your point.

00:04:06.000 I'll show your level of superior empathy for women that are sadly succumb to rape and incest, which is how some of the kids in my own family line were conceived, frankly.

00:04:15.000 But I will grant you that premise.

00:04:17.000 And how about this then?

00:04:18.000 We'll ban all abortions unless there is a case where someone has filed a rape charge and then they're permitted to do one. 0.51

00:04:25.000 Do you think, Charlie, the baby killing movement would grant us that if we made that the compromise to them?

00:04:30.000 Not a single one of them would vote for No, of course not.

00:04:32.000 So it's not really about, it's not really about women in rape and incest. 0.99

00:04:35.000 It's about they really want to just kill all the babies. 0.99

00:04:37.000 And so I think our ability to ask these kinds of questions that flesh out false choices, I think that's going to be key, particularly in the new information age where things are, the best thing about the new information age is it's more democratized than ever.

00:04:50.000 And the worst thing about it is it's more democratized than ever.

00:04:53.000 All right.

00:04:53.000 So we have to make sure that we can find clarity in that when everybody's got a voice.

00:04:56.000 Yeah, and part of it, by the way, and you do a great job of this, and I need to do an even better job, is having the intellectual courage to break through of that prism.

00:05:06.000 And I want to play around with this for a second, Steve, because you would think that in the social media era, we would have more of those nuance.

00:05:13.000 We would have less of the prison of the binary. 1.00

00:05:16.000 But it seems as if we are still trapped in that grandfathered in kind of ancestral way of either you're a Marxist or you're a complete neoconservative or what.

00:05:29.000 But what is the consequence of that when it comes to some of the issues in front?

00:05:34.000 I mean, you mentioned abortion, but there are so many other issues.

00:05:36.000 Foreign policy is the best one that I could think of.

00:05:39.000 Another one would be economics, which is like you're either pro-tax cuts or you're anti-rich.

00:05:44.000 Now, what is the consequence of us not being able to have mature conversations about these things when it comes to real life implications and the implications it has for the conservative movement, Steve Days?

00:05:59.000 The point of the PSYOP is precisely to forbid what you just called for, a serious conversation.

00:06:06.000 So the point of overnight, suddenly everybody's got hashtag stay home, and why do you hate your grandma?

00:06:12.000 The point of that is to create peer pressure.

00:06:15.000 One of the things I've learned as I've gotten older is we never leave high school as a species, Charlie.

00:06:20.000 I mean, it's like the pinnacle, particularly in Western thought.

00:06:23.000 That's not true.

00:06:24.000 That's exactly 100%.

00:06:26.000 Essentially, just it's not any more than you.

00:06:28.000 We can learn.

00:06:31.000 I totally agree.

00:06:32.000 I've said for the long time you can learn more about the U.S. Congress by watching Mean Girls than any other anthropological experiment.

00:06:41.000 Mean girls will explain so much of U.S. Congress more so than West Wing. 1.00

00:06:46.000 Please keep going, Steve Days.

00:06:48.000 100%.

00:06:48.000 And in fact, what's happened now in the social media era is, you know, we've gone from the free thinkers were the ones that were always asking questions, even if we didn't like some of the questions they were asking, to now what is freedom is compliance, right?

00:07:01.000 The New York Times went from having 30 years of instant suspicion to big pharma to now they will literally just rip and read Pfizer press releases and put them on the front page as news unskeptically without asking a single question.

00:07:13.000 All right.

00:07:13.000 And so and this is enforced, just like in high school, the lunchroom often or the hallway before class often enforced the social strata, the social system there and the clickish system.

00:07:24.000 This is now enforced via social media, right?

00:07:27.000 And you don't want to be seen as not one of the compliant ones.

00:07:30.000 And this is why you see the same people over the last few years, the same people posted their pronouns, the same people posted their Ukraine flags, the same people posted their vax cards, the same people posted their avatars of themselves in a mask.

00:07:43.000 This is over and over again to reinforce, just like we're in high school, I'm one of the cool kids.

00:07:47.000 I get to sit at the cool kid table.

00:07:48.000 I'm one of the popular kids.

00:07:50.000 I know what's popular.

00:07:51.000 I know what's cool right now.

00:07:52.000 Or in an adult parlance, I'm compliant with the spirit of the age.

00:07:58.000 And what's going to be extremely difficult for us is to learn how to break through that because that forced compliance via the tool of social media is more rigid than it ever was before.

00:08:08.000 We're talking to each other at our fence lines less than ever before.

00:08:11.000 We're hiding behind avatars and anonymity on social media more than ever before.

00:08:15.000 We're enforcing these things on one another more than ever before.

00:08:18.000 And so it's really incumbent for guys with significant platforms like me and especially you to equip and encourage our audiences to ask the kinds of critical questions that breaks through a lot of that mental concrete.

00:08:30.000 Do you think, and I know you spoke to Brett Buchanan yesterday, do you think that there is some concern about losing some of the gains that the president has made?

00:08:39.000 Something I'm very focused on with younger voters if we do not see increased accountability and prosecutions.

00:08:46.000 And let's just kind of put the and tie that into the prism argument, the false choice.

00:08:51.000 Brett is one of the president's top pollsters.

00:08:54.000 He's been with him for all of his, all three of his presidential campaigns.

00:08:58.000 And he's over at Signal, which is one of the top proprietary polling firms in the country.

00:09:02.000 And one of the things that he said to me yesterday when I spoke to him, Charlie, is he is concerned with the gains we've made with young voters, that a lot of them were not made.

00:09:11.000 You know, we were strong with young voters in the 80s before you were born, and I can barely remember.

00:09:15.000 But it's been a minute in the 21st century since we were as strong with young voters as we are right now.

00:09:21.000 And that strength now comes from their skepticism of these post-World War II institutions, how they've been captured, corrupted, weaponized against them.

00:09:28.000 And they see Trump as a symbol to confront and expose and hold accountable these institutions.

00:09:33.000 And so it's not a danger of losing all these young men to the Democrats all of a sudden in their messaging.

00:09:39.000 It's losing them to despair.

00:09:40.000 It's them thinking, well, then you know what?

00:09:42.000 My vote doesn't count.

00:09:43.000 There's no point to participating in the process.

00:09:45.000 And I'm just going to drop out altogether.

00:09:47.000 And it's not getting any easier with single women right now over the abortion issue. 1.00

00:09:51.000 So we need to hold on to these young men.

00:09:53.000 And they need to see these bad actors like Adam Schiff and others.

00:09:56.000 They need to see them held accountable.

00:09:58.000 So I agree.

00:09:59.000 I don't think that they're going to become card-carrying members of the Democrat Party.

00:10:02.000 They could become disengaged.

00:10:04.000 Yes.

00:10:05.000 And that is key.

00:10:05.000 And I think prosecutions matter, please.

00:10:09.000 Because it demonstrates someone's going to pay for the system that they are inheriting.

00:10:13.000 I mean, I look at my own son.

00:10:14.000 He just graduated.

00:10:15.000 He's 18.

00:10:16.000 All right.

00:10:16.000 Grew up in a Christian home, solid Christian kid.

00:10:19.000 Comes to me the other day as he's thinking, as he's getting ready to move out on his own, and he's just angry.

00:10:24.000 And he's like, Dad, I'm going to have to make 30 grand a year right out of high school to afford an apartment in Des Moines, Iowa that's not a slum. 1.00

00:10:29.000 He's like, How do people do this in Chicago, New York, Houston, Philadelphia, LA?

00:10:33.000 I'm like, son, they don't.

00:10:35.000 And hence all the despair in your generation right now.

00:10:38.000 And so it's all encompassing the same worldview that broke us economically, that broke the border, is the same worldview that has broken the trust and has broken a lot of our laws at the exact same time.

00:10:49.000 And I think the young people desire to see accountability.

00:10:52.000 They want to see that mom and dad really meant all the stuff they preached them at the dinner table all these years.

00:10:57.000 And now when it's their turn, they're going to actually hold people accountable.

00:11:00.000 I think it's a credibility issue more than anything else.

00:11:03.000 I totally agree.

00:11:04.000 Steve, I want to dive more into this.

00:11:06.000 You accurately and perfectly are assessing what I'm also seeing.

00:11:10.000 And again, I'm 31, so I'm right in the middle.

00:11:13.000 I'm right at the edge of millennial and Gen Z. I talk to Gen Z all the time.

00:11:17.000 And there is a yearning for a reordering of the American economy.

00:11:22.000 I was just on CNBC this morning.

00:11:24.000 Look, we know what the Maggioni, Mom Donnie program is, right?

00:11:28.000 We don't need, by the way, we don't need to put words in their mouth.

00:11:31.000 They want to have government-run grocery stores, confiscation of assets, tax the rich.

00:11:35.000 But I do think that foreign policy was kind of the first fault line where we're kind of figuring this out, and I think we will.

00:11:41.000 The second is, what do we believe economically?

00:11:44.000 And look, I'm a free market guy.

00:11:46.000 I've read all the literature of on Mises, Rothbard, Friedman, all of it.

00:11:50.000 But just saying, hey, markets and markets only in a time when we kind of have corporate welfare and a corporate oligarchy, that dog doesn't hunt, and you're going to get Maggione.

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00:13:07.000 Why don't you talk about economics and then also address the Israel issue, because both of which actually are components of how we reach the next generation and things they're talking about, Steve Days?

00:13:18.000 100%.

00:13:18.000 Number one, I think we have to abandon our presuppositions of the last generation.

00:13:23.000 And I think we have to look at both economics and foreign policy non-dogmatically and accept the idea and the truth that Institutionally, the entire West is broken down.

00:13:33.000 And remember this, Charlie.

00:13:34.000 I think this is very important for your audience to remember.

00:13:37.000 The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. 0.99

00:13:40.000 And deploy that principle here.

00:13:42.000 All right.

00:13:42.000 We want a foreign policy that doesn't affirm our dogma, but actually affirms American greatness and sovereignty.

00:13:50.000 Okay?

00:13:50.000 And if your dogma gets in the way with that, get a new dogma.

00:13:53.000 Similarly, we need an economics that actually serves the people.

00:13:55.000 The people are not widgets and units to serve an economic theory.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:13:59.000 And so I think we have to, we, we, You know, Jesus died for people, did not die for a systematic theology.

00:14:09.000 I'm a big systematic theology guy, but there's nothing more important to Jesus than people.

00:14:14.000 As far as we know, we're the only beings in the entire universe made in his likeness and image.

00:14:17.000 I definitely agree.

00:14:18.000 All right.

00:14:18.000 So the needs of people outweigh an ideological or dogmatic affirmation.

00:14:22.000 Now, in another era where the social compact of America was still intact and our institutions were not captured and weaponized against us, we might have a different viewpoint and say to people, hey, this is a good system.

00:14:33.000 It's a good culture.

00:14:34.000 You're the one that needs to conform to it.

00:14:35.000 You're outside the mainstream here.

00:14:37.000 But we're not in that era right now.

00:14:38.000 All right.

00:14:39.000 And so we're trying to determine what the mainstream is.

00:14:41.000 And again, I think this is where it comes down to asking questions.

00:14:43.000 When I first started in local radio, the biggest trouble I ever got into is Microsoft wanted to come into our state and get billions of dollars in corporate grift from the government.

00:14:52.000 And I said, you know what?

00:14:54.000 If we're going to do that, then I'm going to actually be in favor of project labor agreements for the unions.

00:14:58.000 Because if we're just going to let Bill Gates come in here and pillage and plunder the taxpayer, then we ought to be actually paying real sustainable wages to the little guy out there doing the work of paving the roads when it's 97 degrees in Iowa in July and August, rather than telling him, hey, we're going to let you actually get outbid by an illegal alien.

00:15:14.000 And man, the corporate donor class to the GOP in my state when I was just a local host at the time, Charlie, lost its cotton pick and minds, lost its minds, because I wanted to hold them to the same standard they wanted to hold the quote-unquote thrifty working class. 0.82

00:15:29.000 And I think one of this is as much as anything is why is the secret of Donald Trump's success.

00:15:35.000 The fact that he's actually not dogmatic about systems that no longer work and maybe haven't for longer than we wanted to admit, and actually bending them to the will of what helps the most people instead of a firm's think tank's white paper has made him a great threat to a lot of the established order, but has made him beloved by a lot of people left behind by that exact same order.

00:15:55.000 And when it comes to foreign policy, I understand why people look at things like dispensationalism and they grew up with their parents who knew more about how close the Jews were to retaking the Temple Mount than they knew what was going on at the school board.

00:16:07.000 And like, what kind of theology is that?

00:16:09.000 And I understand the instinctive rebellion against this, that somehow you're to put Israel ahead of your own country.

00:16:15.000 And I don't understand why that's the case.

00:16:17.000 And I see gay pride parades in Israel and they're even more pro-abortion than we are.

00:16:21.000 So why in the world do I have to make them kind of the fulcrum for or the plumb line of my entire Christian experience or seeking of truth?

00:16:28.000 I get all those questions and I think we should ask them.

00:16:31.000 And I was one of the first national shows that put people on that did not have premillennial dispensational eschatological views.

00:16:38.000 A lot of my audience never heard of post-millennialism or amillennialism, frankly, Charlie, until I put people on the air to tell them what it was.

00:16:44.000 So I'm fine having this debate.

00:16:46.000 But we also need to understand the historical framework we're dealing with here, and that is Islam.

00:16:50.000 And you do understand this, and you do highlight this, because this is important to understand.

00:16:55.000 Islam has, for 1,200 years, there was Islam, and there was no nation on earth called Israel.

00:17:01.000 There was no, we were aligned with Israel, so we're attracting all of this honeypot from the world of Islam. 1.00

00:17:06.000 If we decoupled from Israel, there was no nation on the earth for 1,200 years while there was Islam. 1.00

00:17:11.000 Islam declared war against Christianity all 1,200 of those years, just the same. 1.00

00:17:15.000 You have to understand Islam doesn't care what your particular eschatological view of this particular Israeli government is or is not.

00:17:22.000 We're all just people of the book to them.

00:17:24.000 It doesn't matter if you're Jew and how often you've been to, you know, you've gone to synagogue or whether you actually even know any of the law or not.

00:17:32.000 Same thing with a Christian. 1.00

00:17:33.000 It doesn't matter if you think the church has replaced Israel or that Israel is more important in America.

00:17:38.000 Islam comes after us just the same. 1.00

00:17:40.000 I totally agree.

00:17:41.000 Everything when it comes to Israel must be viewed to the premise of radical Islamofascism and Muhammadism. 0.98

00:17:48.000 We've been lending a lot of our platform towards this, and we're getting a lot of death threats, a lot of targeting, a lot of the kind of Islamic, peaceful, and tolerant world that is singling us out.

00:17:58.000 And you and I had a great dinner about this.

00:18:00.000 But also, I want to just reiterate a point.

00:18:02.000 If you're a social media influencer out there and all you talk about all day is the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, and you are silent on Islam, then there's something deeply troubling about you.

00:18:15.000 If all you talk about is, well, AIPAC, and you're silent on CARE, the Council for American Islamic Relations, then you are, you're missing the entire ballgame here.

00:18:25.000 And I agree with you.

00:18:26.000 No subject should be untouchable.

00:18:28.000 By the way, we as Christians say, fine, poke holes in the Bible.

00:18:32.000 We'll defend it.

00:18:33.000 Nothing should ever be verboten, right?

00:18:35.000 However, if you're going to only do it towards one vector, one thing, meanwhile, the West is collapsing and London is disintegrating.

00:18:45.000 I was in London a couple months ago.

00:18:47.000 It's not the Jews who made London look like a foreign country. 0.99

00:18:51.000 Steve Dace.

00:18:52.000 Simple question.

00:18:54.000 Let's just assume that all of the alleged atrocities in Gaza by the Israelis is 100% metaphysical certitude. 0.51

00:19:00.000 None of it is Hamas, psyops. 0.94

00:19:02.000 None of it is anti-Semitic in nature.

00:19:05.000 It's all real and it's all occurring.

00:19:07.000 If that is the case, to me, the strategy to pursue is to actually call on Hamas to release the 52 hostages they still hold, including four dead remains of Americans they still have, by the way.

00:19:18.000 Just to say to them, hey, release the hostages.

00:19:20.000 That way you could expose Netanyahu and Likud and say, see, they want to continue escalating aggressions there.

00:19:27.000 The hostages, their main requirement has been met, and yet they want to continue.

00:19:32.000 It would be easier to pressure Israel to get them to stop. 0.90

00:19:35.000 But you'll notice, Charlie, that many of the people that are complaining about atrocities are not calling on Hamas, including a lot of social media influencers, are not calling on Hamas to release those 52 hostages, including the remains of four dead Americans they're still holding on to.

00:19:48.000 Why is that?

00:19:49.000 What's the benign, innocent explanation for that?

00:19:51.000 Because if you really want to flesh out a false objection, have Hamas release the hostages, and then you can put all of the unilateral pressure on Likud and Bibi Netanyahu to stop.

00:20:00.000 But you'll notice they don't think that nuanced very often.

00:20:03.000 They don't think critically like that very often.

00:20:05.000 Why is that?

00:20:06.000 What's the benign, innocent explanation for that?

00:20:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:10.000 So if you're upset about the starving of people in Gaza, which by the way, no one wants to see anybody starving, which is, we've been through this UN, other, you know, Hamas stealing food, all that sort of stuff.

00:20:20.000 But you were quiet when the hostages were starving.

00:20:24.000 Maybe you don't care about starvation.

00:20:25.000 Maybe there's something else going on.

00:20:27.000 Hamas is the big, and you just have to repeat this and commit it to memory. 0.99

00:20:31.000 Hamas is the biggest evildoer here and always has been. 0.94

00:20:35.000 They started the war and they could surrender. 0.96

00:20:38.000 They want to drag all of Gaza into the abyss. 1.00

00:20:41.000 That is not an apology for every military maneuver or action the Israeli government has done.

00:20:46.000 But we, as Westerners, and most importantly as Christians, must have a clear moral prism that we view all these things through.

00:20:56.000 We cannot allow a muddying or a murkying here that allows all of a sudden troubling and dark narratives to interject themselves into the Western narrative.

00:21:09.000 Steve Dace, please summarize all this.

00:21:11.000 And that's exactly why this takes us back to the top, Charlie.

00:21:14.000 This is why we have to learn to ask critical questions that reveals false objections.

00:21:19.000 Who is a dark force, as you just said it?

00:21:21.000 And then who's a contrarian that we might think that's a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?

00:21:24.000 But hey, in this era, I'm listening because we can't take anything for granted.

00:21:28.000 Because we do need to have these conversations.

00:21:30.000 We do need to challenge our assumptions in this era, maybe more than any previous era of Americana ever.

00:21:36.000 But we cannot allow that to be also an environment that, as you put it, dark forces take advantage of it to ultimately have a sinister agenda and then divide us at the same time.

00:21:44.000 Steve Dace, thank you so much.

00:21:46.000 And again, we must be honest actors and honest brokers.

00:21:51.000 But there's a lot of people that just want to talk about the Jews all day long.

00:21:55.000 And oddly, they never say anything about the rise of Muhammadism working with Marxism to suffocate our civilization.

00:22:02.000 Go to London.

00:22:03.000 Amen.

00:22:04.000 Pretty clear what made London a third world hellhole.

00:22:06.000 Steve Dace, thank you so much.

00:22:08.000 Thank you.

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00:23:13.000 Joining us now is William J. Kelly, editor-in-chief of the City News Bureau.

00:23:18.000 And you can find William J. Kelly at reporterwilliamjkelly.com.

00:23:23.000 William, great to see you.

00:23:24.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:23:25.000 So, President Donald Trump is now hinting at taking over Chicago and using a federal takeover of Chicago.

00:23:32.000 How is Brandon Johnson, the failed race Marxist of Chicago, handling that threat?

00:23:40.000 Well, he's having a meltdown.

00:23:42.000 Yesterday, I was at the City Hall press conference.

00:23:46.000 I'm a City Hall reporter, essentially, is what I am.

00:23:50.000 You know, where you are is who you are, or something like that.

00:23:53.000 But at any rate, he's unhinged.

00:23:59.000 I asked him a couple of weeks ago about an illegal alien that apparently has been charged with concealing and abusing the corpse of a mother, a woman, Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez, apparently is the name he goes by.

00:24:17.000 And Johnson, Mayor Johnson, said that he was threatened by that question, that he was threatened, that he felt threatened by the question.

00:24:26.000 This is the kind of leadership that we have in Chicago right now, Charlie.

00:24:31.000 So yesterday I tried to ask him about the mayor, you know, President Trump's, I think, you know, honest assessment that we have an incompetent mayor in the city of Chicago.

00:24:46.000 I asked him about a teen takeover, is what they call it.

00:24:51.000 It was a thousand plus teenagers, Charlie.

00:24:54.000 Violent teenagers in the mayor's neighborhood, okay?

00:24:58.000 The neighborhood that he moved into from Elgin, okay?

00:25:01.000 But at any rate, so Mayor Johnson lives in a neighborhood in Chicago called Austin.

00:25:07.000 A thousand plus teenagers rampaged through the streets, but that's not it.

00:25:13.000 Apparently, a woman was shot in the back multiple times, obviously, sadly, passed as a result.

00:25:19.000 And the mayor Johnson has the audacity to say he's threatened by my questions.

00:25:24.000 I get every day, as I'm sure you do, Charlie, and I know you feel it too, because we love Chicago.

00:25:31.000 We're not Chicago bashers here.

00:25:32.000 We love Chicago.

00:25:33.000 I was born and raised on the south side of Chicago.

00:25:35.000 I love it with all my heart.

00:25:37.000 It breaks my heart, Charlie, as I know it breaks yours, which is why I always love talking to you.

00:25:44.000 That's right.

00:25:46.000 It breaks my heart.

00:25:48.000 The mayor of the city of Chicago is threatened by a reporter's questions when his own neighbors are being shot in the back multiple times and fatally.

00:26:03.000 That's where we're at.

00:26:05.000 And I just want to compliment you.

00:26:07.000 And by the way, the Chicago Bears may flee the city.

00:26:09.000 I think the Chicago Bears should flee the city and they should establish their new stadium in Arlington Heights at former Arlington Racetrack.

00:26:15.000 It would make a lot of sense.

00:26:17.000 Get out of Chicago.

00:26:18.000 And by the way, that's the new model.

00:26:19.000 The new model.

00:26:20.000 You have Jerry Stadium in Dallas.

00:26:21.000 It really blazed the way.

00:26:22.000 You got SoFi Stadium.

00:26:23.000 The whole model is get out of the actual urban corridor and establish your presence in the suburbs.

00:26:31.000 Just poor Arlington Heights can have deal with all the riffraff that the Bears bring in. 0.99

00:26:34.000 San Francisco did the same thing, by the way.

00:26:35.000 They got rid of Candlestick Park and they built Levi Stadium basically in San Jose.

00:26:40.000 Levi Stadium is basically in San Jose.

00:26:42.000 But William, I want to just compliment you, though.

00:26:45.000 In a city of 2.7 million people, you are a force multiplier.

00:26:49.000 You are able to get under the mayor's skin by asking very basic, very simple questions.

00:26:56.000 Now, he'll say, oh, crimers are down and violence Is down, but hold on, let's just take a step back.

00:27:02.000 Let's first play Cut 353.

00:27:03.000 This is your question.

00:27:04.000 What do you say to your neighbors?

00:27:06.000 What do you say to those neighbors in Austin who feel threatened by your policies?

00:27:16.000 Thank you for staying awake during our presentation.

00:27:19.000 I know you have worked hard to get the necessary help that's needed.

00:27:23.000 Really?

00:27:23.000 In whatever condition in which you are dealing with, I'm glad that you are getting some help.

00:27:29.000 Is that honestly your answer to your neighbors who have been a neighbor of yours was shot in back multiple times?

00:27:35.000 So we are addressing community safety.

00:27:37.000 That's my top priority, and we will continue to do that.

00:27:40.000 Look, and I know you say it's a teenager takeover.

00:27:43.000 Look, William J. Kelly, you need to be a reporter.

00:27:46.000 We all know what it means by a teenage takeover.

00:27:48.000 Okay, let's just be honest.

00:27:50.000 It's the people that Brandon Johnson, honestly, he should be a black role model for them. 0.97

00:27:54.000 And he should tell these black teenage young kids, knock it off. 1.00

00:27:58.000 Stop it. 0.99

00:27:59.000 Instead, he's playing into all of this.

00:28:02.000 And America is full of cities everybody knows are horrible.

00:28:06.000 And yet, when you say it audibly, they call you a racist.

00:28:10.000 We have the same problem here in Washington, D.C. And if you really peel it back, and I want to play Cut 354, your question, which you did a great job, everything is racist all the time.

00:28:18.000 That's all they have.

00:28:20.000 The only play that they have is to call you a racist.

00:28:23.000 Oh, well, I know how to run Chicago better than you.

00:28:26.000 And, you know, you're not going to tell me what to do.

00:28:29.000 And this is the same play.

00:28:30.000 And it doesn't work anymore.

00:28:31.000 We have successfully broke that spell.

00:28:34.000 That fever has been broken.

00:28:36.000 Let's play Cut 354, please.

00:28:38.000 What do you say to Donald Trump?

00:28:40.000 How did you feel when Donald Trump called you incompetent?

00:28:43.000 What did you feel as a human?

00:28:45.000 Thanks.

00:28:46.000 Please answer that question.

00:28:47.000 If you would.

00:28:47.000 Okay, since you are begging, the president has always been intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men.

00:28:55.000 And so, of course, he would speak in those petite and puerile terms because he's small.

00:29:06.000 I mean, William, short comment on this.

00:29:08.000 Let's just be Donald Trump is a lot of things.

00:29:11.000 He's certainly not intimidated by Brandon Johnson's ability to process information.

00:29:17.000 William J. Kelly.

00:29:18.000 We need the National Guard.

00:29:20.000 You know, I love Chicago.

00:29:22.000 I love CPD, the Chicago Police Department.

00:29:25.000 I don't really think it's, I think it's actually wrong to put police officers in the middle of these of essentially mob violence.

00:29:36.000 They're law enforcement, okay?

00:29:38.000 They're there to take your police report, follow up, try to arrest a suspect.

00:29:46.000 They're not there to deal with these kinds of mobs.

00:29:51.000 What really upset me about the video of these thousand-plus violent teenagers in Mayor Johnson's backyard was that they were assaulting the police.

00:30:02.000 Okay, as a child growing up on the South Side, it never would have crossed my mind to run up to a police officer and slap him in the face and then run away, laughing, okay?

00:30:12.000 It never would have crossed my mind now once.

00:30:14.000 Okay, Charlie.

00:30:15.000 So here's the thing.

00:30:17.000 We need the National Guard to walk down the middle of these streets, batons in hand, and take and put these mobs out of the public.

00:30:30.000 Okay, this is what we need.

00:30:32.000 We need Donald Trump to do this.

00:30:33.000 I agree.

00:30:34.000 You know, it's absurd for Mayor Johnson to be insulting Donald Trump.

00:30:38.000 We need the DOJ.

00:30:40.000 Okay.

00:30:40.000 There are, I've got plenty of information I could share with them about gifts, this gift closet that Mayor Johnson has at City Hall.

00:30:50.000 People are sending him gifts, Laguchi bags, et cetera.

00:30:56.000 It really is.

00:31:01.000 Something's about to blow in Chicago, Charlie.

00:31:04.000 I'm happy you're going to be here next week.

00:31:05.000 I'm looking forward to it.

00:31:07.000 Yeah, and I'm not yet describing where I'm going to go or what I'm going to do, but the Speakers do have a five-game series with the Brewers next week.

00:31:15.000 That's all I can say.

00:31:16.000 And I just, I grieve for this.

00:31:18.000 I could talk about Chicago all day long.

00:31:19.000 I love Chicago.

00:31:20.000 I love what it once was.

00:31:22.000 It is the connective tissue of this great nation with the Midwestern work ethic, the best food in the country, dare I say, once great universities, incredible companies that fled, entrepreneurs, a grittiness, a hustle, a commitment, a phenomenal sports culture, really good suburbs.

00:31:41.000 The whole place has collapsed and I'm not okay with it.

00:31:45.000 And as long as I have a platform, I'm going to lend my voice to the despicable, depressing, and unnecessary collapse of Chicago and all the surrounding suburbs because it is an indictment of the rest of our nation.

00:32:03.000 It's hard to believe it was even possible, but the Democrat-run states are now more pro-abortion than ever and will only get worse unless you join me standing for life. 0.64

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00:33:05.000 William J. Kelly's with us.

00:33:06.000 William, one of the more depressing, but also, I mean, it's promising, but also kind of nostalgic giving, nostalgia giving, is, you know, I live in Arizona and people come up to all the time, Charlie, I'm from Downers Grove.

00:33:19.000 Charlie, I'm from Hinsdale.

00:33:20.000 Charlie, I'm from Wilmette.

00:33:22.000 Charlie, I'm from Wheeling.

00:33:23.000 Charlie, I'm from Buffalo Grove.

00:33:24.000 I left the suburbs of Chicago or I'm from the Gold Coast.

00:33:28.000 Charlie, I'm from the South Side and I moved to Phoenix.

00:33:31.000 Honestly, happy to have them in Arizona because we're going to turn Arizona, thanks to Andy Biggs becoming the next governor.

00:33:36.000 We're going to turn Arizona into the Florida of the West.

00:33:40.000 But it is just so depressing how many amazing people have left the heartland and then gone to other states because of politics, simply because of the politics.

00:33:54.000 Let's go to cut 323.

00:33:56.000 I believe that's 10321.

00:33:58.000 Let's go to this one.

00:33:59.000 This is U.S. Attorney Gene Pierrot talking about the youths.

00:34:03.000 Play cut 321.

00:34:05.000 I see too much violent crime being committed by young punks who think that they can get together in gangs and crews and beat the hell out of you or anyone else.

00:34:16.000 They don't care where they are.

00:34:18.000 They can be in DuPont Circle, but they know that we can't touch them.

00:34:23.000 Why?

00:34:24.000 Because the laws are weak.

00:34:26.000 I can't touch you if you're 14, 15, 16, 17 years old, and you have a gun.

00:34:32.000 I convict someone of shooting another person with an illegal gun on a public bus in the chest. 0.88

00:34:39.000 Intent to kill?

00:34:41.000 I convict him.

00:34:42.000 And you know what the judge gives him?

00:34:44.000 Probation.

00:34:45.000 Says you should go to college.

00:34:47.000 We need to go after the DC Council and their absurd laws.

00:34:52.000 We need to get rid of this concept of, you know, a no-cash pail.

00:34:57.000 We need to recognize that the people who matter are the law-abiding citizens.

00:35:02.000 And it starts today.

00:35:05.000 She needs more energy. 0.98

00:35:06.000 William J. Kelly, your reaction to both Piero and my lament that the best are leaving Chicago.

00:35:14.000 Oh, well, how much time do you have, Charlie?

00:35:18.000 Well, the saddest, most disturbing thing about Pierrot's comment is who wants to send their kid to college with somebody who's out on parole for shooting somebody in the chest?

00:35:27.000 What?

00:35:28.000 But, you know, in Chicago, we're down police officers.

00:35:32.000 Nobody wants to be a police officer in Chicago.

00:35:35.000 Mayor Johnson and his family, his wife Stacey, have 150 sworn police officers on their security detail.

00:35:43.000 Mayor Richard J. Daly had two, and one of them was a driver, and one of them got his newspaper in the morning.

00:35:51.000 This was the security back in those days, okay?

00:35:54.000 This is what we need to return to, Charlie, if we're going to be able to keep any intelligent, productive person in Chicago, we need clean, safe streets.

00:36:05.000 That's it.

00:36:06.000 That's all the mayor, that's the mayor's job.

00:36:09.000 Clean, safe streets, Charlie.

00:36:14.000 That is exactly right.

00:36:15.000 So final question, William J. Kelly.

00:36:17.000 If President Trump moved in the National Guard or President Trump moved in federal forces, how would that be met by the rank and file in Chicago?

00:36:25.000 Forget the mayoral ruling class. 0.99

00:36:28.000 The rank and file.

00:36:29.000 Okay.

00:36:29.000 I don't want to get anyone in trouble here.

00:36:31.000 They would love it.

00:36:33.000 There was an ICE raid in Chicago over the weekend.

00:36:36.000 They've caught someone, a horrible, despicable person.

00:36:40.000 And CPD, some police officers were there to observe, to observe.

00:36:46.000 And now Mayor Johnson is investigating them, investigating them, accusing them of somehow working with ICE.

00:36:55.000 Okay.

00:36:56.000 They were, I mean, they were there to observe.

00:36:58.000 That's what they said, right?

00:37:01.000 So, I mean, we need, we need, we absolutely do need Donald Trump to bring troops to Chicago.

00:37:12.000 We need, this is a military operation now.

00:37:15.000 This is not a law enforcement operation.

00:37:17.000 In fact, I think it was borderline criminal for former Mayor Lightfoot.

00:37:23.000 I agree.

00:37:24.000 And look, we got to play to win.

00:37:26.000 This is the thing.

00:37:26.000 If we're going to strike in a city, if we're going to bring in, if we're going to bring in this sort of infantry, then it can't just be for showmanship, can't be for pageantry.

00:37:35.000 D.C. is the test case, Go.

00:37:37.000 If we can show a demonstrable decrease in crime because of what President Trump is authorizing, we then can scale that and put in other cities.

00:37:44.000 But honestly, it needs to all be on D.C. And we need to go all in and we don't need to look for new cities to add.

00:37:51.000 It needs to be sustained.

00:37:52.000 It needs to be measured because August is the month of killing.

00:37:55.000 That is one of the most murderous months notoriously across the country, especially in Washington, D.C., and tragically in Chicago as well.

00:38:03.000 William J. Kelly, thank you so much.

00:38:05.000 I share your lamentation about the demise and the downfall of the once great city of Chicago.

00:38:12.000 It's no longer safe, and it's tragic to say it's no longer great.

00:38:15.000 Thank you.

00:38:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:17.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 14, 2025

The Left's False Choice Psy-Ops

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