William J. Kelly from Chicago and Steve Dace leads off all about rejecting the prism, Israel, Gaza, Christianity, economics, and more. Charlie Kirk is the President of Turning Point USA, a powerful conservative youth organization fighting for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:00.000Charlie Kirk here live from thebitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000We have William J. Kelly from Chicago and Steve Dace leads off all about rejecting the prism, Israel, Gaza, Christianity, economics, and more.
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00:01:47.000And by the way, we saw this with the Iran thing.
00:01:49.000Either you're a Ron Paul isolationist or you're a Wolfowitz neoconservative.
00:01:54.000It's not as if there was a third or fourth or fifth or sixth option.
00:01:57.000I feel as if this might be part of an information war tactic to try and divide and splinter and schism the conservative movement, Steve Dace.
00:02:34.000The response of a question with a question so that you can find out is the person that is raising the point, even if you vehemently disagree with it, are they good faith actor or not, Charlie?
00:02:43.000Or is this in order to cover up what their real argument is?
00:02:47.000You know, for example, during the Obama years, we had more people on food stamps than the total population of Spain, much of his presidency.
00:02:54.000And I always wondered at the time, why aren't we celebrating this?
00:02:57.000I mean, why aren't we having press conferences in the Rose Garden?
00:03:01.000I mean, if welfare state equals compassion, according to their own messaging over there, then we should be holding press releases.
00:03:07.000There should be, you know, presidential press gaggles and avails congratulating the American people for the record amount of compassion they are demonstrating through the food stamp program.
00:03:16.000And notice we did not have that, right?
00:03:18.000And it's because ultimately those lines are tropes, they're scams, and they're lies.
00:03:22.000But you need to ask the right questions in order to flesh that out.
00:03:25.000For example, why would Democrats be hindered so much in the next midterm election if we didn't count illegal aliens?
00:03:33.000And one of the things I love to add to that is we use this phrase on our show a lot, which is, what's the benign, innocent explanation for that?
00:03:40.000What would be the benign and innocent explanation for why Democrats keep telling us that if we don't count illegal aliens in the census, they're going to lose seats.
00:03:47.000What's a benign, innocent explanation for that?
00:03:51.000And you can do this on things like Pro-Life 2, which is, tell you what, you know, listen, I'm a wife begins at conception, and it ought to be 100% banned guy that thinks personhood is granted in the 5th and 14th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.
00:04:06.000I'll show your level of superior empathy for women that are sadly succumb to rape and incest, which is how some of the kids in my own family line were conceived, frankly.
00:04:18.000We'll ban all abortions unless there is a case where someone has filed a rape charge and then they're permitted to do one.
00:04:25.000Do you think, Charlie, the baby killing movement would grant us that if we made that the compromise to them?
00:04:30.000Not a single one of them would vote for No, of course not.
00:04:32.000So it's not really about, it's not really about women in rape and incest.
00:04:35.000It's about they really want to just kill all the babies.
00:04:37.000And so I think our ability to ask these kinds of questions that flesh out false choices, I think that's going to be key, particularly in the new information age where things are, the best thing about the new information age is it's more democratized than ever.
00:04:50.000And the worst thing about it is it's more democratized than ever.
00:04:53.000So we have to make sure that we can find clarity in that when everybody's got a voice.
00:04:56.000Yeah, and part of it, by the way, and you do a great job of this, and I need to do an even better job, is having the intellectual courage to break through of that prism.
00:05:06.000And I want to play around with this for a second, Steve, because you would think that in the social media era, we would have more of those nuance.
00:05:13.000We would have less of the prison of the binary.
00:05:16.000But it seems as if we are still trapped in that grandfathered in kind of ancestral way of either you're a Marxist or you're a complete neoconservative or what.
00:05:29.000But what is the consequence of that when it comes to some of the issues in front?
00:05:34.000I mean, you mentioned abortion, but there are so many other issues.
00:05:36.000Foreign policy is the best one that I could think of.
00:05:39.000Another one would be economics, which is like you're either pro-tax cuts or you're anti-rich.
00:05:44.000Now, what is the consequence of us not being able to have mature conversations about these things when it comes to real life implications and the implications it has for the conservative movement, Steve Days?
00:05:59.000The point of the PSYOP is precisely to forbid what you just called for, a serious conversation.
00:06:06.000So the point of overnight, suddenly everybody's got hashtag stay home, and why do you hate your grandma?
00:06:12.000The point of that is to create peer pressure.
00:06:15.000One of the things I've learned as I've gotten older is we never leave high school as a species, Charlie.
00:06:20.000I mean, it's like the pinnacle, particularly in Western thought.
00:06:48.000And in fact, what's happened now in the social media era is, you know, we've gone from the free thinkers were the ones that were always asking questions, even if we didn't like some of the questions they were asking, to now what is freedom is compliance, right?
00:07:01.000The New York Times went from having 30 years of instant suspicion to big pharma to now they will literally just rip and read Pfizer press releases and put them on the front page as news unskeptically without asking a single question.
00:07:13.000And so and this is enforced, just like in high school, the lunchroom often or the hallway before class often enforced the social strata, the social system there and the clickish system.
00:07:24.000This is now enforced via social media, right?
00:07:27.000And you don't want to be seen as not one of the compliant ones.
00:07:30.000And this is why you see the same people over the last few years, the same people posted their pronouns, the same people posted their Ukraine flags, the same people posted their vax cards, the same people posted their avatars of themselves in a mask.
00:07:43.000This is over and over again to reinforce, just like we're in high school, I'm one of the cool kids.
00:07:52.000Or in an adult parlance, I'm compliant with the spirit of the age.
00:07:58.000And what's going to be extremely difficult for us is to learn how to break through that because that forced compliance via the tool of social media is more rigid than it ever was before.
00:08:08.000We're talking to each other at our fence lines less than ever before.
00:08:11.000We're hiding behind avatars and anonymity on social media more than ever before.
00:08:15.000We're enforcing these things on one another more than ever before.
00:08:18.000And so it's really incumbent for guys with significant platforms like me and especially you to equip and encourage our audiences to ask the kinds of critical questions that breaks through a lot of that mental concrete.
00:08:30.000Do you think, and I know you spoke to Brett Buchanan yesterday, do you think that there is some concern about losing some of the gains that the president has made?
00:08:39.000Something I'm very focused on with younger voters if we do not see increased accountability and prosecutions.
00:08:46.000And let's just kind of put the and tie that into the prism argument, the false choice.
00:08:51.000Brett is one of the president's top pollsters.
00:08:54.000He's been with him for all of his, all three of his presidential campaigns.
00:08:58.000And he's over at Signal, which is one of the top proprietary polling firms in the country.
00:09:02.000And one of the things that he said to me yesterday when I spoke to him, Charlie, is he is concerned with the gains we've made with young voters, that a lot of them were not made.
00:09:11.000You know, we were strong with young voters in the 80s before you were born, and I can barely remember.
00:09:15.000But it's been a minute in the 21st century since we were as strong with young voters as we are right now.
00:09:21.000And that strength now comes from their skepticism of these post-World War II institutions, how they've been captured, corrupted, weaponized against them.
00:09:28.000And they see Trump as a symbol to confront and expose and hold accountable these institutions.
00:09:33.000And so it's not a danger of losing all these young men to the Democrats all of a sudden in their messaging.
00:10:16.000Grew up in a Christian home, solid Christian kid.
00:10:19.000Comes to me the other day as he's thinking, as he's getting ready to move out on his own, and he's just angry.
00:10:24.000And he's like, Dad, I'm going to have to make 30 grand a year right out of high school to afford an apartment in Des Moines, Iowa that's not a slum.
00:10:29.000He's like, How do people do this in Chicago, New York, Houston, Philadelphia, LA?
00:10:35.000And hence all the despair in your generation right now.
00:10:38.000And so it's all encompassing the same worldview that broke us economically, that broke the border, is the same worldview that has broken the trust and has broken a lot of our laws at the exact same time.
00:10:49.000And I think the young people desire to see accountability.
00:10:52.000They want to see that mom and dad really meant all the stuff they preached them at the dinner table all these years.
00:10:57.000And now when it's their turn, they're going to actually hold people accountable.
00:11:00.000I think it's a credibility issue more than anything else.
00:11:46.000I've read all the literature of on Mises, Rothbard, Friedman, all of it.
00:11:50.000But just saying, hey, markets and markets only in a time when we kind of have corporate welfare and a corporate oligarchy, that dog doesn't hunt, and you're going to get Maggione.
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00:13:07.000Why don't you talk about economics and then also address the Israel issue, because both of which actually are components of how we reach the next generation and things they're talking about, Steve Days?
00:13:18.000Number one, I think we have to abandon our presuppositions of the last generation.
00:13:23.000And I think we have to look at both economics and foreign policy non-dogmatically and accept the idea and the truth that Institutionally, the entire West is broken down.
00:14:18.000So the needs of people outweigh an ideological or dogmatic affirmation.
00:14:22.000Now, in another era where the social compact of America was still intact and our institutions were not captured and weaponized against us, we might have a different viewpoint and say to people, hey, this is a good system.
00:14:39.000And so we're trying to determine what the mainstream is.
00:14:41.000And again, I think this is where it comes down to asking questions.
00:14:43.000When I first started in local radio, the biggest trouble I ever got into is Microsoft wanted to come into our state and get billions of dollars in corporate grift from the government.
00:14:54.000If we're going to do that, then I'm going to actually be in favor of project labor agreements for the unions.
00:14:58.000Because if we're just going to let Bill Gates come in here and pillage and plunder the taxpayer, then we ought to be actually paying real sustainable wages to the little guy out there doing the work of paving the roads when it's 97 degrees in Iowa in July and August, rather than telling him, hey, we're going to let you actually get outbid by an illegal alien.
00:15:14.000And man, the corporate donor class to the GOP in my state when I was just a local host at the time, Charlie, lost its cotton pick and minds, lost its minds, because I wanted to hold them to the same standard they wanted to hold the quote-unquote thrifty working class.
00:15:29.000And I think one of this is as much as anything is why is the secret of Donald Trump's success.
00:15:35.000The fact that he's actually not dogmatic about systems that no longer work and maybe haven't for longer than we wanted to admit, and actually bending them to the will of what helps the most people instead of a firm's think tank's white paper has made him a great threat to a lot of the established order, but has made him beloved by a lot of people left behind by that exact same order.
00:15:55.000And when it comes to foreign policy, I understand why people look at things like dispensationalism and they grew up with their parents who knew more about how close the Jews were to retaking the Temple Mount than they knew what was going on at the school board.
00:16:07.000And like, what kind of theology is that?
00:16:09.000And I understand the instinctive rebellion against this, that somehow you're to put Israel ahead of your own country.
00:16:15.000And I don't understand why that's the case.
00:16:17.000And I see gay pride parades in Israel and they're even more pro-abortion than we are.
00:16:21.000So why in the world do I have to make them kind of the fulcrum for or the plumb line of my entire Christian experience or seeking of truth?
00:16:28.000I get all those questions and I think we should ask them.
00:16:31.000And I was one of the first national shows that put people on that did not have premillennial dispensational eschatological views.
00:16:38.000A lot of my audience never heard of post-millennialism or amillennialism, frankly, Charlie, until I put people on the air to tell them what it was.
00:16:46.000But we also need to understand the historical framework we're dealing with here, and that is Islam.
00:16:50.000And you do understand this, and you do highlight this, because this is important to understand.
00:16:55.000Islam has, for 1,200 years, there was Islam, and there was no nation on earth called Israel.
00:17:01.000There was no, we were aligned with Israel, so we're attracting all of this honeypot from the world of Islam.
00:17:06.000If we decoupled from Israel, there was no nation on the earth for 1,200 years while there was Islam.
00:17:11.000Islam declared war against Christianity all 1,200 of those years, just the same.
00:17:15.000You have to understand Islam doesn't care what your particular eschatological view of this particular Israeli government is or is not.
00:17:22.000We're all just people of the book to them.
00:17:24.000It doesn't matter if you're Jew and how often you've been to, you know, you've gone to synagogue or whether you actually even know any of the law or not.
00:17:41.000Everything when it comes to Israel must be viewed to the premise of radical Islamofascism and Muhammadism.
00:17:48.000We've been lending a lot of our platform towards this, and we're getting a lot of death threats, a lot of targeting, a lot of the kind of Islamic, peaceful, and tolerant world that is singling us out.
00:17:58.000And you and I had a great dinner about this.
00:18:00.000But also, I want to just reiterate a point.
00:18:02.000If you're a social media influencer out there and all you talk about all day is the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, and you are silent on Islam, then there's something deeply troubling about you.
00:18:15.000If all you talk about is, well, AIPAC, and you're silent on CARE, the Council for American Islamic Relations, then you are, you're missing the entire ballgame here.
00:19:07.000If that is the case, to me, the strategy to pursue is to actually call on Hamas to release the 52 hostages they still hold, including four dead remains of Americans they still have, by the way.
00:19:18.000Just to say to them, hey, release the hostages.
00:19:20.000That way you could expose Netanyahu and Likud and say, see, they want to continue escalating aggressions there.
00:19:27.000The hostages, their main requirement has been met, and yet they want to continue.
00:19:32.000It would be easier to pressure Israel to get them to stop.
00:19:35.000But you'll notice, Charlie, that many of the people that are complaining about atrocities are not calling on Hamas, including a lot of social media influencers, are not calling on Hamas to release those 52 hostages, including the remains of four dead Americans they're still holding on to.
00:19:49.000What's the benign, innocent explanation for that?
00:19:51.000Because if you really want to flesh out a false objection, have Hamas release the hostages, and then you can put all of the unilateral pressure on Likud and Bibi Netanyahu to stop.
00:20:00.000But you'll notice they don't think that nuanced very often.
00:20:03.000They don't think critically like that very often.
00:20:10.000So if you're upset about the starving of people in Gaza, which by the way, no one wants to see anybody starving, which is, we've been through this UN, other, you know, Hamas stealing food, all that sort of stuff.
00:20:20.000But you were quiet when the hostages were starving.
00:20:24.000Maybe you don't care about starvation.
00:20:25.000Maybe there's something else going on.
00:20:27.000Hamas is the big, and you just have to repeat this and commit it to memory.
00:20:31.000Hamas is the biggest evildoer here and always has been.
00:20:35.000They started the war and they could surrender.
00:20:38.000They want to drag all of Gaza into the abyss.
00:20:41.000That is not an apology for every military maneuver or action the Israeli government has done.
00:20:46.000But we, as Westerners, and most importantly as Christians, must have a clear moral prism that we view all these things through.
00:20:56.000We cannot allow a muddying or a murkying here that allows all of a sudden troubling and dark narratives to interject themselves into the Western narrative.
00:21:09.000Steve Dace, please summarize all this.
00:21:11.000And that's exactly why this takes us back to the top, Charlie.
00:21:14.000This is why we have to learn to ask critical questions that reveals false objections.
00:21:19.000Who is a dark force, as you just said it?
00:21:21.000And then who's a contrarian that we might think that's a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?
00:21:24.000But hey, in this era, I'm listening because we can't take anything for granted.
00:21:28.000Because we do need to have these conversations.
00:21:30.000We do need to challenge our assumptions in this era, maybe more than any previous era of Americana ever.
00:21:36.000But we cannot allow that to be also an environment that, as you put it, dark forces take advantage of it to ultimately have a sinister agenda and then divide us at the same time.
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00:23:59.000I asked him a couple of weeks ago about an illegal alien that apparently has been charged with concealing and abusing the corpse of a mother, a woman, Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez, apparently is the name he goes by.
00:24:17.000And Johnson, Mayor Johnson, said that he was threatened by that question, that he was threatened, that he felt threatened by the question.
00:24:26.000This is the kind of leadership that we have in Chicago right now, Charlie.
00:24:31.000So yesterday I tried to ask him about the mayor, you know, President Trump's, I think, you know, honest assessment that we have an incompetent mayor in the city of Chicago.
00:24:46.000I asked him about a teen takeover, is what they call it.
00:24:51.000It was a thousand plus teenagers, Charlie.
00:24:54.000Violent teenagers in the mayor's neighborhood, okay?
00:24:58.000The neighborhood that he moved into from Elgin, okay?
00:25:01.000But at any rate, so Mayor Johnson lives in a neighborhood in Chicago called Austin.
00:25:07.000A thousand plus teenagers rampaged through the streets, but that's not it.
00:25:13.000Apparently, a woman was shot in the back multiple times, obviously, sadly, passed as a result.
00:25:19.000And the mayor Johnson has the audacity to say he's threatened by my questions.
00:25:24.000I get every day, as I'm sure you do, Charlie, and I know you feel it too, because we love Chicago.
00:25:48.000The mayor of the city of Chicago is threatened by a reporter's questions when his own neighbors are being shot in the back multiple times and fatally.
00:26:07.000And by the way, the Chicago Bears may flee the city.
00:26:09.000I think the Chicago Bears should flee the city and they should establish their new stadium in Arlington Heights at former Arlington Racetrack.
00:27:59.000Instead, he's playing into all of this.
00:28:02.000And America is full of cities everybody knows are horrible.
00:28:06.000And yet, when you say it audibly, they call you a racist.
00:28:10.000We have the same problem here in Washington, D.C. And if you really peel it back, and I want to play Cut 354, your question, which you did a great job, everything is racist all the time.
00:29:38.000They're there to take your police report, follow up, try to arrest a suspect.
00:29:46.000They're not there to deal with these kinds of mobs.
00:29:51.000What really upset me about the video of these thousand-plus violent teenagers in Mayor Johnson's backyard was that they were assaulting the police.
00:30:02.000Okay, as a child growing up on the South Side, it never would have crossed my mind to run up to a police officer and slap him in the face and then run away, laughing, okay?
00:30:12.000It never would have crossed my mind now once.
00:31:07.000Yeah, and I'm not yet describing where I'm going to go or what I'm going to do, but the Speakers do have a five-game series with the Brewers next week.
00:31:22.000It is the connective tissue of this great nation with the Midwestern work ethic, the best food in the country, dare I say, once great universities, incredible companies that fled, entrepreneurs, a grittiness, a hustle, a commitment, a phenomenal sports culture, really good suburbs.
00:31:41.000The whole place has collapsed and I'm not okay with it.
00:31:45.000And as long as I have a platform, I'm going to lend my voice to the despicable, depressing, and unnecessary collapse of Chicago and all the surrounding suburbs because it is an indictment of the rest of our nation.
00:32:03.000It's hard to believe it was even possible, but the Democrat-run states are now more pro-abortion than ever and will only get worse unless you join me standing for life.
00:32:12.000This is Charlie Kirk and we're saving babies right now with pre-born.
00:33:06.000William, one of the more depressing, but also, I mean, it's promising, but also kind of nostalgic giving, nostalgia giving, is, you know, I live in Arizona and people come up to all the time, Charlie, I'm from Downers Grove.
00:33:24.000I left the suburbs of Chicago or I'm from the Gold Coast.
00:33:28.000Charlie, I'm from the South Side and I moved to Phoenix.
00:33:31.000Honestly, happy to have them in Arizona because we're going to turn Arizona, thanks to Andy Biggs becoming the next governor.
00:33:36.000We're going to turn Arizona into the Florida of the West.
00:33:40.000But it is just so depressing how many amazing people have left the heartland and then gone to other states because of politics, simply because of the politics.
00:34:05.000I see too much violent crime being committed by young punks who think that they can get together in gangs and crews and beat the hell out of you or anyone else.
00:35:06.000William J. Kelly, your reaction to both Piero and my lament that the best are leaving Chicago.
00:35:14.000Oh, well, how much time do you have, Charlie?
00:35:18.000Well, the saddest, most disturbing thing about Pierrot's comment is who wants to send their kid to college with somebody who's out on parole for shooting somebody in the chest?
00:35:28.000But, you know, in Chicago, we're down police officers.
00:35:32.000Nobody wants to be a police officer in Chicago.
00:35:35.000Mayor Johnson and his family, his wife Stacey, have 150 sworn police officers on their security detail.
00:35:43.000Mayor Richard J. Daly had two, and one of them was a driver, and one of them got his newspaper in the morning.
00:35:51.000This was the security back in those days, okay?
00:35:54.000This is what we need to return to, Charlie, if we're going to be able to keep any intelligent, productive person in Chicago, we need clean, safe streets.
00:36:17.000If President Trump moved in the National Guard or President Trump moved in federal forces, how would that be met by the rank and file in Chicago?
00:37:26.000If we're going to strike in a city, if we're going to bring in, if we're going to bring in this sort of infantry, then it can't just be for showmanship, can't be for pageantry.
00:37:37.000If we can show a demonstrable decrease in crime because of what President Trump is authorizing, we then can scale that and put in other cities.
00:37:44.000But honestly, it needs to all be on D.C. And we need to go all in and we don't need to look for new cities to add.
00:37:52.000It needs to be measured because August is the month of killing.
00:37:55.000That is one of the most murderous months notoriously across the country, especially in Washington, D.C., and tragically in Chicago as well.