The Charlie Kirk Show - The Left's War On Rule of Law

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Michael Seifert joins us from PublicSquare, publicsquare.com.

00:00:05.000 Check it out, publicsquare.com as we talk about the latest with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, what is happening with corporate America.

00:00:12.000 And then John Eastman, American patriot who is being targeted and potentially disbarred for representing President Donald Trump.

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00:00:39.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:41.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:43.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

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00:00:51.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:01:38.000 Joining us now is a great friend of mine, Michael Seifert.

00:01:41.000 He is running Public Square.

00:01:42.000 You guys should all check out Public Square.

00:01:44.000 Michael, just out of the gate, give us an update on Public Square.

00:01:46.000 Remind people the website.

00:01:47.000 It's really growing beautifully.

00:01:48.000 The application's doing great.

00:01:50.000 How are things going at America's Marketplace?

00:01:53.000 It is booming, Charlie.

00:01:54.000 It's good to see you.

00:01:55.000 Public Square is growing at a rapid pace, which is testament to the fact that Americans are ready to support Main Street again.

00:02:02.000 While globalism is collapsing, there is a need more than ever to support our American economy and the businesses that you can find in your local community that want to sell products and services to you without lecturing you about these hyper-progressive political issues.

00:02:18.000 If you want to spend your money with a marketplace and businesses associated with that marketplace that love the country, the Constitution, and the classic traditional American family values that that wonderful document protects, Public Square is really the only marketplace where you can do that.

00:02:32.000 And that's why it's grown so much.

00:02:34.000 To the point now, Charlie, that Public Square actually is able to own multiple companies underneath the marketplace.

00:02:39.000 We started the world's fastest growing diaper brand in Everylife.

00:02:43.000 It's also the only pro-life, pro-family diaper brand in the country.

00:02:47.000 We actually just acquired a company recently that provides financial products for the gun industry, another completely unaddressed industry here in the United States from the financial institutions.

00:02:58.000 So business is booming.

00:02:59.000 We couldn't be more grateful.

00:03:00.000 And it's all due to our incredible consumers and business community.

00:03:04.000 It's amazing.

00:03:05.000 And Everylife is just a really terrific product.

00:03:09.000 I've heard wonderful things about it.

00:03:10.000 And I think everyone in this audience, if you're pro-life, you have a moral obligation to buy Every Life.

00:03:16.000 And here's the thing.

00:03:17.000 Let's just say, okay, you know, Charlie, my kids are all grown up.

00:03:19.000 I don't have grandkids yet.

00:03:20.000 Okay.

00:03:21.000 Go buy that and go to your church and donate it.

00:03:23.000 They all have ministries, right, where they give diet.

00:03:25.000 Talk about that, Michael.

00:03:26.000 Everylife is the only pro-life diaper brand.

00:03:28.000 And I just, I want to just reiterate this.

00:03:31.000 The big diaper brands are all pro-massacring children.

00:03:35.000 It is, it's not exactly good for business.

00:03:38.000 It's the wildest thing I've ever witnessed, Charlie.

00:03:41.000 Set aside the moral total atrocity of the issue.

00:03:45.000 Even if you just look economically, how does it make any sense to advocate for the termination of your customer base?

00:03:51.000 It shows how wacky our world has gotten when some of the leading diaper brands in our country are actually saying, and I quote with a brand like Coterie, we feel lost without abortion access as a team after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, or when companies like Honest have actually said that they want to put their money where their mouth is and make sure that they are funding their employees' abortions.

00:04:12.000 You realize that our culture has become so distorted.

00:04:16.000 That's why, every life, we're wanting to bring a really hopeful and positive message that every life is a miracle worth protecting from conception all the way throughout life.

00:04:25.000 And Charlie, you mentioned the donation factor.

00:04:28.000 This is one of the pieces of the business that's most fulfilling and rewarding.

00:04:31.000 While obviously sales are booming and it's the fastest-growing diaper company in the world now, in Q1 alone, and the end of the first quarter is still three days away, we have already donated over 550,000 diapers this quarter alone.

00:04:43.000 So it's been an amazing journey.

00:04:45.000 And the brand's only nine months old, no pun intended.

00:04:48.000 So we're excited to continue growing.

00:04:51.000 Yeah, I have an idea for you, which is that on the website, there should be a portal where if people want to buy them and just send them to a pro-life ministry or a church, that could be done.

00:05:00.000 We'll talk offline about that.

00:05:02.000 So, all right, let's get into the story here, Michael.

00:05:03.000 And again, everyone check out publicsquare.com every life.

00:05:06.000 The Chamber of Commerce, which used to be pro-business, has is back in the news.

00:05:11.000 Walk us through the story here.

00:05:12.000 Well, Breitbart broke a story this week that I thought was interesting on their website.

00:05:17.000 They actually uncovered tax documents from the Tides Foundation.

00:05:21.000 The Tides Foundation is one of the most left-leaning activist groups in the country, and they are funded majority by George Soros and his associated family members.

00:05:33.000 So the Tides Foundation has taken in millions of dollars in donations from George Soros and his family members over the course of the last four or five years.

00:05:42.000 Where have they turned around and invested that money into the United States Chamber of Commerce?

00:05:47.000 In the last five years alone, the Tides Foundation, a political pod organization funded by the George Soros family, has contributed $12 million to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

00:05:58.000 So, quick pause here.

00:05:59.000 The Chamber of Commerce for decades now has said that they are about the small business community.

00:06:04.000 They are about the safety and security and stability of the American small businesses' ability to thrive.

00:06:09.000 And yet, they have taken gross amounts of funding from George Soros and his affiliated organizations.

00:06:16.000 They have since then taken a far left turn, embracing open borders policies, illegal immigration flooding into our country, corrupting our streets, crooked politicians in cities like Los Angeles at the district attorney level that want to actually criminalize small businesses like they did during the COVID season while letting murderers run free on their streets.

00:06:39.000 How on earth do these sorts of actions empower the small business community?

00:06:44.000 Short answer is they don't.

00:06:45.000 And for anybody that says, well, they just took money from the George Soros family, that doesn't mean that they've lost their way simply because of who their donor base is.

00:06:54.000 Charlie, you know that the Tides Foundation through George Soros is absolutely swaying the direction of the Chamber of Commerce.

00:07:03.000 They rely on donor money.

00:07:05.000 Their revenue has dwindled.

00:07:06.000 In fact, from 2021 to 2022, the Chamber of Commerce saw a decrease in revenue of over 42%.

00:07:12.000 So they're relying on their donors more than ever.

00:07:15.000 By the way, they pay their salary.

00:07:17.000 The CEO of Chamber of Commerce, they pay her salary over $6 million a year right now. 0.99

00:07:22.000 So the CEO is taking in $6 million.

00:07:25.000 Donors that are far left are flooding their organization through entities like the Tides Foundation, and they are using that money to do the political bidding of the far left in the United States.

00:07:35.000 This organization, as corrupt as it can be, they no longer deserve the title of the protector of the American Main Street.

00:07:43.000 Yeah.

00:07:43.000 So, Michael, just talk about the history of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, though, and just how this detour occurred.

00:07:51.000 And it's just remarkable because for years, everyday Americans would say, okay, you know, the U.S. Chamber represents Main Street, represents, was this a recent phenomenon?

00:08:04.000 Was this a long time coming?

00:08:06.000 I think Donahue passed away a couple of years ago, who was the old leader of the Chamber of Commerce for a while.

00:08:11.000 Is it new leadership?

00:08:12.000 Is this just the trend that's been happening a while?

00:08:14.000 Your thoughts.

00:08:15.000 Well, it's certainly new leadership.

00:08:16.000 Obviously, as we just mentioned, their current CEO and president has sought to simply fill their own pockets instead of supporting the actual initiatives that they're supposed to be driving on behalf of the American small business community.

00:08:30.000 But this decline really happened in alignment with the embrace of globalism.

00:08:35.000 So, you know, in the late 20th century, we saw a massive move toward globalist tendencies, a desire to sell out the American Main Street on the altars of cheap convenience and global supply chains.

00:08:47.000 The major financial institutions or corporate behemoths that backed that move so that they could actually refine their profit margins were also the donors to entities like the Chamber of Commerce.

00:09:00.000 And so they wanted to maintain this facade that they supported the American Main Street and the small business community while also making sure that their donor class that was largely embracing cheap foreign labor was kept happy.

00:09:13.000 Those two things are fundamentally at odds with one another.

00:09:15.000 They cannot coexist.

00:09:17.000 And so if your priority is appeasing your donor class that's more interested in supporting supply chains built on slave labor in China, an adversary of our country, rather than supporting the mom and pop shop, you're going to find yourself becoming at best a double agent and at worst, a just total facade and phony of what you were supposed to be in your original charter.

00:09:39.000 Now, we obviously see this exasperated with two issues.

00:09:43.000 They really took a far left turn in practicality with the COVID situation where government came and actually imposed forceful mandates upon small businesses while giving total leeway to entities like Walmart.

00:09:56.000 And then we also saw it, obviously, in the recent immigration debate.

00:09:58.000 Biden in his State of the Union just a month ago actually gave credit to the Chamber of Commerce for backing this atrocious immigration bill.

00:10:08.000 And he paraded it as a sign of bipartisanship when that bill was anything but bipartisan.

00:10:14.000 We see that it is tilted toward far left values.

00:10:16.000 They are taking the cloak off.

00:10:18.000 And in the last three, four years, we have seen a total degrading of anything they were originally supposed to be about.

00:10:25.000 So it's sort of like it happened gradually and then suddenly, quietly, and then very much out in the open.

00:10:31.000 But it all started with the embrace of globalism.

00:10:34.000 That is Ernest Hemingway.

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00:12:48.000 Michael, it really is a brave new world where we have the everyday small business that is scrapping for survival with hyperinflation and then this oligarchy that does not represent the best interests of the American worker or the American consumer.

00:13:05.000 I know that you guys might be doing this in some way, but is there an effort to create a new chamber of commerce?

00:13:13.000 In some way, public square is like kind of a soft version of that, but there's this huge vector and opening for a representation in DC for legislative priorities for someone that has five to 10 employees.

00:13:29.000 Well, that's exactly right.

00:13:31.000 And the chamber has seen declining membership for years now.

00:13:35.000 And so at their heyday, they claimed they had 3 million members and it was the largest representative body of the business community in not only the country, but of any country in the world.

00:13:45.000 But that's not the case anymore.

00:13:47.000 In fact, our active membership is larger now than the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's active membership.

00:13:53.000 And so the question that we've asked is what you just asked, is there a way that we can actually help these businesses network further?

00:13:59.000 Because today, the platform is largely established as an opportunity for the business community to advertise their products and services, either for free or through paid advertising, to a great network of consumers that are values aligned and want to partner with them in trust-based transactions.

00:14:14.000 The next step for us is how do we connect these businesses not only to the consumers that value what they're doing, but also to each other.

00:14:22.000 Charlie, one of the coolest testimonies we've heard was actually a few months ago, a business in Alabama that provided tabletops and granite countertops and things found another home builder in Ohio on our platform.

00:14:37.000 So two public square businesses that both serve other businesses found each other on the platform and created a partnership that they say will last decades.

00:14:46.000 They have absolutely hit it off.

00:14:48.000 We recently connected a great CRM service in the software space with another business who's looking to replace a tool.

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00:15:06.000 So that's our goal as we shift into this next season.

00:15:09.000 We've built a consumer army to support this business community.

00:15:12.000 Now, how can we actually help the businesses bind together?

00:15:15.000 What the left and the authoritarians in this country, the oligarchy, as you described, fear more than anything, is the unification of a frustrated group of business owners with capital to deploy, services to offer, and networking to create.

00:15:31.000 If we can actually bind together with strength and numbers and showcase to the powers that be that we are the majority, they have another thing coming.

00:15:38.000 And that's what we plan to do.

00:15:40.000 That sort of consolidation is so long overdue and that kind of representation.

00:15:46.000 So, Michael, I want to ask you, and I have no idea how you're going to answer.

00:15:51.000 Do you see the big corporations softening their zealotry, at least outwardly, towards this woke stuff?

00:15:58.000 Do you see any lessons that have been learned because of the boycotts?

00:16:03.000 Or is the wokeism still there?

00:16:05.000 It's just not as advertised.

00:16:10.000 I think it's definitely the latter.

00:16:12.000 I feel very confident that it's the latter because we thankfully live in the age of social media where any little flub gets exposed on a broad scale.

00:16:22.000 And so while they've tried to hide their wokeism more over the course of the past three to six months, as they've learned that the embrace of ESG and DEI have very detrimental after effects, these actions are still getting exposed.

00:16:35.000 And Charlie, what I would actually go as far as to say is that while their external presentation of their wokeism might not be as blatant as it was in the Bud Light and Target era of last summer, their internal displays of wokeism and progressive indoctrination of their staff members is worse than I have ever seen by a wide project.

00:16:56.000 Give me some examples of that.

00:16:57.000 That's really important.

00:16:58.000 Yeah, you're going to finish that, but please.

00:17:00.000 Well, yeah, I'll give you a direct example.

00:17:03.000 We actually had an applicant recently from a major corporate entity in the software space reach out last week and say that their breaking point was that just last month on an all hands, their company's HR department, mind you, this company has over a thousand employees.

00:17:18.000 This company's HR department actually stated that we should, as employees, get in a habit of utilizing personal pronouns.

00:17:26.000 And if you're struggling adapting to this new progressive environment, when you're at home, practice using pronouns, and I quote, on your pets and your house plants.

00:17:36.000 So they are wanting to encourage their employees through gender training seminars to practice utilizing pronouns on your house pets and your house plants.

00:17:48.000 Definitely not a cult.

00:17:49.000 So Michael, great work.

00:17:51.000 Publicsquare.com, by the way, never use the pronoun stuff.

00:17:55.000 They take over the country through language totalitarianism.

00:18:00.000 It is completely unnecessary. 1.00

00:18:02.000 It is this new gender John Money inspired takeover of our vocabulary. 1.00

00:18:09.000 Thank you so much.

00:18:09.000 Michael, great work.

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00:19:27.000 Joining us now is John Eastman.

00:19:29.000 I've known John for quite a while.

00:19:30.000 He's an American patriot and a really great man.

00:19:32.000 John, welcome to the program.

00:19:34.000 Give us the latest about this judge, California disbarment.

00:19:38.000 Walk us through it.

00:19:39.000 Well, after a 10-week trial, what one commentator described as probably the longest and most expensive in bar-disciplinary history, the California bar judge issued her 128-page report yesterday recommending that I be disbarred.

00:19:56.000 The result of that recommendation is that within three days, my license will be suspended.

00:20:01.000 I will no longer be able to earn a living as an attorney pending my appeal, which we will certainly bring.

00:20:08.000 You know, almost every page of the opinion is citing government officials making claims that were false.

00:20:14.000 But because the government said the election was the most secure in history or there was no evidence of fraud, anybody that said otherwise was, in this judge's view, making false statements.

00:20:25.000 And so she has upheld 10 of the 11 counts that were brought against me for making false statements in two court actions, even though the courts that were involved not only did not sanction me, but didn't even issue an order to show cause on why any statements were false.

00:20:43.000 So this is the California bar court kind of taking over a sanctions process from the federal courts itself, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:20:55.000 But most of the counts dealt with things I said in public, a speech I gave on the mall on January 6th, an appearance I did on Steve Bannon, or an article I published.

00:21:05.000 These are about as core protected First Amendment speech as one can imagine.

00:21:09.000 And she just dispensed with the First Amendment with the back of her hand, in her opinion. 1.00

00:21:15.000 So we will fight this with everything we've got because it's important.

00:21:19.000 What's going on here is what we call law affair.

00:21:22.000 It's an attempt by leftist activists who initiated the complaint against me to, and one of the leaders of one of these groups, the 65 Project, has made very clear what their goal is.

00:21:32.000 Not only did this bar all the attorneys who were involved, but to make them so toxic in their communities and their firms that right-wing legal talent will never take on these kind of election challenges again. 0.96

00:21:43.000 And it's already metastasized beyond election challenges.

00:21:46.000 It's gone to representing parents who are complaining about what schools are doing with their kids.

00:21:53.000 It's craziness that we're dealing with.

00:21:55.000 This is going to destroy the rule of law and our adversarial system of justice.

00:22:00.000 And that's why I'm standing up to fight it as hard as I am.

00:22:03.000 The judge basically said he should be disbarred because he showed no remorse.

00:22:08.000 Well, I don't show remorse and I don't bend my knee to when the government is making false claims that the election was perfect and there's nothing to see here.

00:22:15.000 There was a lot to see here.

00:22:17.000 And the more people look at it, the more devastatingly bad it looks.

00:22:21.000 And so that's why we're fighting.

00:22:24.000 This is not George Orwell's 1984, at least not yet.

00:22:27.000 When the government tells us two plus two equals five, bend the knee and agree with that.

00:22:33.000 It's not just you have to repeat it, but you must believe it.

00:22:36.000 That is the essence of Orwell's treatise.

00:22:40.000 So I want to.

00:22:42.000 I remind people, this is the 75th anniversary of the publication of that book, 1984.

00:22:48.000 He had the argument exactly right.

00:22:49.000 He was about 40 years off on the year.

00:22:52.000 But no, this is what we're dealing with.

00:22:54.000 It really is.

00:22:55.000 So you mentioned a couple of things.

00:22:57.000 Number one, they say that there was this consensus that the election was the most secure ever.

00:23:02.000 In science, this is called a Castro consensus, which is when you silence or stifle or eliminate all opposition, it's not hard to reach a consensus.

00:23:13.000 Famously in Cuba, it was called a Castro consensus.

00:23:16.000 Everyone supports Castro because the ones that don't are in prison or they're disbarred.

00:23:23.000 And so it's not a real consensus.

00:23:25.000 Second, though, I want to just drill into this, John.

00:23:28.000 You're an ethical man.

00:23:30.000 You're a high integrity.

00:23:31.000 You love the country.

00:23:33.000 You're representing a client.

00:23:36.000 And in representing a client, don't you have not just a right, but a duty to offer all options for that client when they are.

00:23:46.000 I do.

00:23:47.000 Can you walk us through the California bar ethical rules for attorneys is that you have to zealously advocate your client.

00:23:55.000 And that means putting forward every possible legal argument that has any plausible ground to it.

00:24:00.000 And mine certainly did.

00:24:02.000 You know, the election challenges we brought were well documented.

00:24:06.000 We had sworn affidavits.

00:24:07.000 That's evidence.

00:24:08.000 We had expert opinions.

00:24:09.000 That's evidence supporting everything we said.

00:24:12.000 Some of that stuff may have proved not to be accurate in the end of the day, but that's what court's adversarial system is about.

00:24:19.000 They actually asked me in the bar trial proceedings at one point, said, well, you know, your expert, the government offered its expert, and he said your expert didn't know what he was talking about.

00:24:30.000 I say, well, you know, this happens every day in courts.

00:24:33.000 You have competing experts, and the point of a trial is to resolve the competing claims.

00:24:39.000 But I was supposed to apparently just withdraw the case because they offered an expert that disagreed with my expert.

00:24:45.000 So that's not the way it works in a normally functioning adversarial system of justice.

00:24:51.000 And yet, I mean, I actually said that during the course of the trial.

00:24:54.000 Well, why didn't you back off your case when they had a counter expert that said your guy was wrong?

00:24:59.000 I said, well, I talked to my guy and he said he was right.

00:25:02.000 Hold on, hold on a second.

00:25:03.000 I mean, this is this, that's like saying that if there was a lawsuit around lobotomies and one expert said that lobotomies work wonderfully and another one says that it's cruel and unusual and creates comatose people, that you're not allowed to have, you're not allowed to challenge.

00:25:17.000 You're not allowed to try to, are we in a place now, John, where if they give you the adjective expert, that you're essentially like a philosopher king, like a demigod over reality.

00:25:32.000 That's clearly, you know, they actually said, well, our guy is from MIT.

00:25:36.000 Your guy's not.

00:25:36.000 I say, well, yeah, but the expert standards don't require unbelievable.

00:25:44.000 One other example that was really stunning.

00:25:46.000 I had another expert that was blocked from testifying.

00:25:48.000 His name is Joseph Freed.

00:25:50.000 He's a prominent, now retired CPA who spent his whole career doing audits of Fortune 500 companies, nationally, internationally recognized.

00:25:59.000 He did a book published in January 23 that reviewed all of the evidence I had before me back in 2020.

00:26:06.000 And his conclusion was that these elections should not have been certified.

00:26:11.000 The judge blocked him from testifying.

00:26:14.000 And one of the reasons was because his report wasn't published until 2023, long after, and therefore I couldn't have relied on it, even though he was looking at the same information and evidence that I had at the time.

00:26:26.000 A little bit later in the trial, they offered a report by Maricopa County elections clerk, who wasn't even election clerk at the time, but he had commissioned a study, a report that basically said that their election was perfect.

00:26:41.000 And that was published in September of 2022.

00:26:44.000 And we objected, said, okay, you've already said stuff after the fact can't get in.

00:26:48.000 And the government lawyer actually said, no, this gets in because it's a government-sponsored report.

00:26:53.000 And she let it in.

00:26:54.000 I mean, this is the kind of thing we dealt with for the entire 10 weeks of the trial.

00:26:59.000 And I held my tongue.

00:27:01.000 Rachel Alexander at the Arizona Sun-Times didn't.

00:27:04.000 People should look at her news coverage.

00:27:05.000 She did the most comprehensive day-to-day coverage of this trial of anybody in the country.

00:27:10.000 And she was exposing the just utter, utterly disbelief in what was going on.

00:27:16.000 But now we're dealing with the recommendation that says I'm going to be disbarred.

00:27:19.000 And we have to fight it with everything we've got.

00:27:21.000 Because if they can take out me for putting in advocating for a client who was unpopular to elites With arguments that were certainly open, but creative.

00:27:35.000 I have no doubt.

00:27:36.000 That's why I was hired.

00:27:37.000 I mean, I'm a constitutional lawyer and I know the background of the constitutional issues we were addressing.

00:27:42.000 And so I push it.

00:27:44.000 If they can take out me, they can take out anybody they want.

00:27:46.000 Well, anybody that's.

00:27:47.000 It's exactly right, John.

00:27:48.000 I got to interrupt for a sec, and I just want to make sure we plug give, send, go for you.

00:27:52.000 But I want to reiterate this.

00:27:55.000 This is going to chill any lawyer from representing election claims in the future.

00:28:02.000 That's what this is all about.

00:28:03.000 This is a show trial to say we will strip you of your law license if you represent a client who has a constitutional right to ask questions about an election.

00:28:15.000 That's right.

00:28:16.000 That's right.

00:28:16.000 And they've said it publicly that that's what their goal is, and it's working.

00:28:20.000 And what that means is election fraud and illegality in the future will go unchallenged.

00:28:26.000 I mean, the last break on what's been going on we had was lawyers. 0.96

00:28:32.000 This is, by the way, this is one of the reasons why Shakespeare writes that famous line about the first thing we do, we kill all the lawyers.

00:28:37.000 It's not because they didn't like lawyers.

00:28:39.000 It's the folks that were trying to take over the government knew that they had to get rid of the lawyers because the lawyers stood in the way of these kind of things.

00:28:47.000 And the lawyers stand in the way of election illegality.

00:28:50.000 It's our duty to try and raise questions about illegality.

00:28:54.000 Because look, our Declaration of Independence is founded on the consent of the governed.

00:28:58.000 Our whole government, the consent of the governed is manifested by how we conduct our elections.

00:29:03.000 And if they are not conducted legally and fairly, we are no longer giving our consent and we cease to be citizens in a self-governing republic and we become subjects of a tyrannical government.

00:29:15.000 I agree.

00:29:15.000 John, what is the give, send, go really quick?

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00:30:56.000 John Eastman continues with us.

00:30:59.000 John, this seems to be not have covered a story.

00:31:02.000 I put you in the same category of what they're doing with these electors in states across the country, Michigan, Georgia, the same category of they're trying to chill under these novel and bizarre and goofy legal theories.

00:31:18.000 You seem to be fighting this and not capitulating and surrendering.

00:31:22.000 Why is that?

00:31:23.000 Well, look, I happen to have the expertise to be in a position to fight it.

00:31:28.000 And I have the constitutional fortitude to be able to do that.

00:31:35.000 Look, I've been litigating before the U.S. Supreme Court and studying constitutional issues my entire career.

00:31:43.000 And very few people have the expertise, both in law and in the political philosophy of the American founding, that I have.

00:31:50.000 And so I'm in a position to be able to fight back.

00:31:52.000 But I'm also strongly interested in making sure that the wonderful free country we inherited from our forebears is something that we can also pass on to our children and grandchildren.

00:32:03.000 I've got one and another on the way, and I don't want to leave them a country that has ceased to be free.

00:32:10.000 There's nothing more important.

00:32:12.000 You know, our founders pledged their lives and their fortunes and their sacred honor to throw off a tyranny from the government of King George III.

00:32:21.000 We are facing something similar.

00:32:23.000 And if we don't stand up, if we don't demonstrate the courage to stand up against this, we will have lost for our kids and grandkids the most precious thing we can give them, which is freedom.

00:32:34.000 And so it's worth standing up for, whatever they do to me, and they can't lay a hand on me that matters in the long run.

00:32:41.000 Whatever they do to me, I will not bow down to this government tyranny.

00:32:45.000 And I will fight with every ounce of breath that I have.

00:32:48.000 And if they take me out, then somebody else will hopefully pick up the baton because I hope that my courage in fighting this stuff will become contagious.

00:32:56.000 That's what we need to do.

00:32:58.000 We cannot have any more what Patrick Henry called summer soldiers and sunshine patriots.

00:33:05.000 We need people that are willing to step into the breach.

00:33:07.000 And unfortunately, we have too many of those right now.

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00:33:28.000 Thank you, Charlie.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 28, 2024

The Left's War On Rule of Law

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