The Charlie Kirk Show - December 28, 2022


The Left Still Doesn't Know What a Woman Is with Matt Walsh


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Matt Walsh joins us to talk about pronouns and why we should fight for freedom on college campuses. Charlie Kirk is the president of Turning Point USA, a youth organization dedicated to fighting for freedom across the country. Charlie is also the co-founder of the Human Rights Campaign, a group fighting for equal pay and equal rights for all.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, my conversation with Matt Walsh.
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00:00:12.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:14.000 Here we go.
00:00:15.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:17.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:19.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:22.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:25.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:26.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:27.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:29.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:00:34.000 Turning point USA. 0.65
00:00:36.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:00:56.000 Everybody, welcome to this episode.
00:00:58.000 Matt Walsh is with us.
00:00:59.000 So, Matt, why should we push back against using people's preferred pronouns?
00:01:05.000 Well, because it's not, it is the left trying to force us to participate in a lie.
00:01:13.000 And that's really what it comes down to.
00:01:15.000 It's become, the pronoun thing has become this kind of symbolic ritual.
00:01:18.000 You know, they say it's, well, it's about being inclusive, but it's actually, it's more of a, it's like a forced conversion, especially when, you know, people in schools are forced to get to do it.
00:01:28.000 When you start seeing it in the workplace and all that sort of thing, it's like it's as if it's sort of the unholy satanic version of a secular workplace that requires everyone to do the sign of the cross. 0.98
00:01:40.000 It's like this symbolic religious ritual, which is what the pronoun exchange has become. 0.59
00:01:44.000 But what you're actually doing, even if it's just symbolic, is that you are participating in a falsehood and you just can't do that.
00:01:51.000 You got to draw the line somewhere.
00:01:53.000 And I think that's got to be the line.
00:01:55.000 Where did the pronoun thing come from?
00:01:57.000 Like, was there an academic paper?
00:01:59.000 Was there a philosopher that all of a sudden said, hey, no one ever asked, no one ever cared, but now we have to put pronouns in email signatures?
00:02:08.000 I mean this completely curiously.
00:02:10.000 I have no idea where this came from.
00:02:12.000 It disappeared out of nowhere.
00:02:13.000 Like, oh, like manna from heaven, like here's the pronoun thing.
00:02:15.000 It feels like it appeared out of nowhere, but I think it's an outcropping of gender ideology, which came into its, you know, you could trace it back kind of as far as you want to.
00:02:25.000 Yeah, of course.
00:02:26.000 And you've done a fabulous job of that in your film.
00:02:28.000 And Carl Truman wrote a book called The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, which if anyone hasn't read that book, have you read that book?
00:02:28.000 Yeah.
00:02:36.000 I have not.
00:02:37.000 You got to read that book.
00:02:38.000 It's an incredible book.
00:02:39.000 And he takes this idea, he sort of says, like, we live in a society now where a man can say, I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, and that makes sense to people.
00:02:49.000 People think it makes sense.
00:02:50.000 And how did we get to a point where that statement seems to make sense to people intuitively?
00:02:54.000 And he traces it all the way back, you know, to its philosophical origins 200, 300 years ago.
00:02:59.000 But I think if you could choose the middle of the 20th century as the time when gender ideology in its current form took shape.
00:03:07.000 And then the pronoun stuff, that was part of this move, I don't know, seven or eight years ago when all these things that already existed in academic circles exploded onto the mainstream.
00:03:19.000 And I think it was all kind of part of that.
00:03:22.000 It's so obviously a manifestation of a societal sickness.
00:03:25.000 I'm just curious of, was there a concerted effort or was just one of those things where they just started to do it at Oberlin and it just kind of caught on.
00:03:32.000 They're like, oh, yeah, that's a cool idea.
00:03:34.000 It's kind of an attachment onto how tyrannical and radical we've been.
00:03:34.000 Let's do that.
00:03:39.000 I think it's that.
00:03:40.000 I think it's, I think in that sense, it is sort of caught on in a way organically, I suppose.
00:03:46.000 Although I hesitate to say that because if we say that, then it makes it sound like.
00:03:50.000 There's popularity behind it or something.
00:03:51.000 Well, it also makes it sound like we're buying into the left's claim that the pronoun stuff, it's just, it's an evolution of language and language evolved.
00:03:58.000 Of course.
00:03:59.000 But this is not the evolution of language.
00:04:01.000 I mean, language can evolve and words can change and that sort of thing.
00:04:04.000 But what we're seeing now is a kind of top-down proscriptive change where the elites are imposing it on us and saying, you have to start speaking this way.
00:04:15.000 And if you don't, there's going to be consequences.
00:04:17.000 That's not language evolution.
00:04:18.000 That's language engineering.
00:04:19.000 And that's propaganda.
00:04:20.000 That's a perfect example is pronouns is one thing, but take something like something absurd, like this Latinx Latinx, however you're supposed to call it.
00:04:27.000 Yeah.
00:04:27.000 And this is it.
00:04:27.000 Totally.
00:04:29.000 You can see where the Hispanic community doesn't want it. 1.00
00:04:33.000 They have no interest in this.
00:04:34.000 And yet the left keeps shoving it down their throats.
00:04:38.000 Maybe 10 years from now, we'll do a poll and a majority of Hispanics, especially younger Hispanics, will say, oh, yeah, I identify as Latin, Latinx.
00:04:45.000 And then what the left will claim is, you see, language evolved.
00:04:48.000 No, it didn't evolve.
00:04:50.000 You forced this.
00:04:52.000 Through this campaign of propaganda for decades, you finally got people to the point where they accept it.
00:04:57.000 But that's not language evolution.
00:04:58.000 That's manipulation.
00:04:59.000 That's engineering.
00:05:00.000 Yeah, I mean, that was the word I was coming to.
00:05:01.000 It's like generational engineering.
00:05:03.000 It's like feeding an entire generation kale and like, well, do you want cheeseburgers?
00:05:07.000 No, we only want.
00:05:07.000 Actually, you've never even tasted it.
00:05:08.000 You have no idea how good it could be.
00:05:10.000 So that's just so interesting because we've lived in a society that has changed so gradually than suddenly, to use a Hemingway quote.
00:05:19.000 And the pronoun thing, what bothers me the most about it is how good people seem to feel when they put it on either their email signature or their social media profile.
00:05:32.000 There is a virtue signal part of this that is that's almost religious.
00:05:37.000 It is religious, and it's what's the whole point of a virtue signal is that it's something that takes requires no effort on your part, but it's sending it's kind of a bat signal out to the woke authorities that you're on their side.
00:05:50.000 So it's a low effort.
00:05:52.000 It's just like posting the, you know, when they did the black square or whatever, the Ukraine flag.
00:05:56.000 It's the current thing meme.
00:05:58.000 It's just a version of that.
00:05:59.000 And the whole point of virtue signal is that it's something that doesn't require really anything of you.
00:06:05.000 In a certain sense, in another sense, it actually requires quite a lot of you because it requires you to basically give up your soul, to surrender your soul to them and to say that I'm going to go along with a lie because you tell me to.
00:06:16.000 So that actually is something quite significant.
00:06:18.000 But in terms of effort, there's not a lot of effort there.
00:06:20.000 And that's what people like.
00:06:22.000 It's a low effort.
00:06:23.000 You said something interesting.
00:06:23.000 You said the left argues that language evolves.
00:06:26.000 Can you just make their argument for me?
00:06:28.000 Because I find that interesting.
00:06:30.000 I haven't really thought that too much.
00:06:31.000 Well, they would, you know, they would point out that if you listen to the way people speak today, it's going to be different from the way people spoke.
00:06:39.000 Old English versus.
00:06:40.000 Yeah.
00:06:40.000 Or even in the 1940s.
00:06:42.000 People use different words and words change.
00:06:44.000 But and then even the rules of grammar can change slightly gradually over time.
00:06:53.000 But it's obviously not what this is.
00:06:55.000 And also, that's also a descriptive thing.
00:06:58.000 So maybe people start using words a little bit differently, naturally, and then descriptively it will end up in the language textbooks and the grammar textbooks to reflect what people are doing.
00:07:09.000 But this is, again, it's a top-down thing.
00:07:10.000 And the other thing, too, is that it's one thing to change a word.
00:07:15.000 You know, you could change a word.
00:07:16.000 Words are meant to do their symbols that describe that stand for something, right?
00:07:19.000 So it's a verbal symbol.
00:07:21.000 And so you can use a different symbol to describe something.
00:07:23.000 That's fine.
00:07:25.000 But they're not just changing the word.
00:07:26.000 They're trying to change our perception of what the word describes.
00:07:31.000 So they're not just saying, let's use the word she to describe men now.
00:07:35.000 They're saying, we want you to perceive that man as a woman.
00:07:40.000 That's a fundamentally different thing.
00:07:41.000 But they're doing it through the process of language.
00:07:43.000 So they're using an excuse of natural evolving language to actually do something completely different, entirely different.
00:07:49.000 And the problem is that many people on the right, I think, are very certainly slow to pick up on this.
00:07:53.000 And it could be difficult too.
00:07:55.000 There are the obvious examples of language manipulation, but then the left has such a cultural monopoly now, especially on all of our institutions, academic institutions, that there are subtle examples of language manipulation that a lot of us never pick up on.
00:08:11.000 And so we end up sort of surrendering the argument before it even begins, just by the words we're talking about.
00:08:16.000 Well, on this topic, the prime example would be the word gender itself, like the fact that we're using, I even use the word gender.
00:08:24.000 I fall for this all the time.
00:08:25.000 Yeah.
00:08:26.000 I use the word gender because it's just, it's being imprecise or you're just sort of being kind of lazy and people know what you mean. 0.99
00:08:32.000 And so you use it.
00:08:33.000 And I understand that.
00:08:34.000 But when we use the word gender, we are, whether we mean to or not, we are giving our assent to this idea that gender is another word apart from sex.
00:08:45.000 And so we need the word gender because for whatever reason, the word sex doesn't suffice.
00:08:49.000 But in reality, that's not true.
00:08:51.000 People have a sex.
00:08:52.000 People don't have a gender. 1.00
00:08:55.000 The idea that people have a gender is that's gender ideology. 1.00
00:08:58.000 That's what it is.
00:08:59.000 That's what the gender ideologues came up with in the mid-20th century.
00:09:01.000 So that's what I want to kind of zero in on.
00:09:04.000 I found this to be amazing.
00:09:05.000 Your film was terrific.
00:09:06.000 And I mean that.
00:09:06.000 I'm a tough grader.
00:09:08.000 It was one of the most powerful things I've seen in a while on any topic.
00:09:11.000 And it was so persuasively done because it was so simple where you just go around and ask a question that should be, it really should have been a five-minute film in a healthy society, right?
00:09:19.000 You go find a bunch of people.
00:09:20.000 What is a woman? 1.00
00:09:21.000 Get an answer.
00:09:21.000 Thanks, everybody, for watching and have a nice day.
00:09:23.000 Instead, it was this huge melodrama.
00:09:25.000 And you go to Africa and talk to that freak for a few minutes. 1.00
00:09:27.000 And it could have been a three and a half hour film.
00:09:29.000 We had to cut it down.
00:09:30.000 The editing room was really tough because there was.
00:09:33.000 I told Jeremy you guys should still release some of the edited clips because, and I'm sure they would go viral because I can imagine that there was just so much when you went to Women's March and all that.
00:09:43.000 But one of the things I really appreciated about the film, which could be its own like eight-minute YouTube video, is how you go from Kinsey and you go to all these different people of what they thought, what they believed.
00:09:54.000 And so I want to zero in on what you just said, and then we'll go to Kinsey and we'll go to the guy with the twins.
00:09:58.000 I forgot his name.
00:10:00.000 Money?
00:10:00.000 Yeah, money.
00:10:01.000 That's right.
00:10:03.000 Which I found to be just breathtaking.
00:10:05.000 Mid-20th century, they came up with this idea of gender.
00:10:08.000 Who did?
00:10:09.000 And what was their philosophical justification for that?
00:10:12.000 Well, it wasn't just one guy, but the guy that I would consider, not just me, but the most would consider the sort of the godfather of gender ideology is John Money.
00:10:22.000 Okay.
00:10:23.000 And he did coin some of these phrases, like gender identity as a phrase comes from him.
00:10:27.000 The idea of people having a gender distinct from sex is, he was one of the pioneers of that idea.
00:10:31.000 And he was a mid-20th century sexologist in the, you know, kind of the same school of thought of Alfred Kinsey, but he had more of a focus on gender.
00:10:40.000 And he believed that gender is entirely a social phenomenon.
00:10:47.000 And so it's something that we kind of give to people.
00:10:50.000 And so he thought that boys are boys because that's what we have decided as society that they are.
00:10:56.000 And so if you take a boy and just tell him he's a girl, if that's society, what society tells him, and that then it will reflect that.
00:11:03.000 And the case that we, the fame, the infamous case that we talk a little bit about in the film, although this could be its own movie.
00:11:09.000 Yeah, it could be.
00:11:10.000 And should be, you know, someone should make it.
00:11:13.000 But this was an infamous case where there was twin boys and one of the, they had a circumcision. 0.98
00:11:20.000 And for one of the boys, it was horribly botched and they essentially burned his penis off. 0.98
00:11:25.000 And parents didn't know what to do about this. 0.99
00:11:27.000 And so they were watching TV one day.
00:11:29.000 They see John Money saying all these things about how, well, you know, gender is a social construct.
00:11:33.000 You can make someone whatever gender you want.
00:11:35.000 And they go to him and he tells them, well, just, we'll do a seat surgery and you'll simply raise the boy as a girl.
00:11:42.000 And that's exactly what they tried to do.
00:11:46.000 But it didn't take.
00:11:47.000 It didn't hold because I wonder why.
00:11:50.000 Testosterone and, you know, somehow he's still a boy, even.
00:11:54.000 That's exactly right.
00:11:55.000 And then he committed suicide or something terrible.
00:11:57.000 Somebody did, right?
00:11:58.000 But both of the brothers ended up early deaths in adulthood.
00:12:02.000 Eventually, the brother that was transitioned decided to transition back when he was in adolescence, early teens. 0.73
00:12:08.000 And he tried to, he eventually got married and he tried to get his life together.
00:12:11.000 But just what had been done to him by John Money, who and he also brought the twins in and did these sexually abusive experiments.
00:12:17.000 The whole story is absolutely horrifying, but he ruined these two boys and they both ended up in adulthood killing themselves.
00:12:24.000 And he's still taken seriously, money.
00:12:26.000 Yeah, I think people aren't aware of this story.
00:12:31.000 There's no interest in like, who's going to tell the story?
00:12:34.000 We can tell it, but you're not going to learn about it in schools.
00:12:38.000 The public school system isn't going to sit the kids down.
00:12:40.000 Oprah is not going to do a special on John Money.
00:12:43.000 We tell everybody in our book club about John Money.
00:12:45.000 Actually, it's going to happen.
00:12:46.000 The interesting thing is that she actually did.
00:12:50.000 Did you back when she was a real journalist?
00:12:52.000 Right.
00:12:52.000 Back like 20 years ago.
00:12:53.000 Back 20 years ago, she had.
00:12:55.000 I mean, Fat Oprah, not at all.
00:12:56.000 Exactly.
00:12:57.000 Back when you could talk about these things, she actually had this Bruce Reimer on to talk about his experiences.
00:13:04.000 But I'm sure if you were to check back with her now about gender, she does a want to do it.
00:13:09.000 But so then that's another interesting point before we go deeper into the history.
00:13:13.000 Is you said, you just said we used to be able to talk about these things.
00:13:16.000 So Old Oprah had an interesting show.
00:13:18.000 You know, that used to be something you could talk about.
00:13:20.000 How is it that gender ideology has become this total thought crime?
00:13:25.000 I think it's almost more prohibited to talk about than, I don't know, black crime. 1.00
00:13:31.000 Yeah, I think it's the number one.
00:13:34.000 It's the ultimate third rail.
00:13:36.000 I mean, it's the number one thing you're not allowed to talk about.
00:13:38.000 Because I think it's so fundamental to the left's cultural project that they can't allow you to question it.
00:13:47.000 Because if you start to question it and you start to be skeptical about it, then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, I think.
00:13:56.000 Because what lays at the root of gender ideology?
00:13:58.000 There's a reason why in the film, if you watch the film, every single conversation I had with someone on that side would eventually devolve into this kind of punches pilot, what is truth thing.
00:14:11.000 Yes.
00:14:12.000 That's what lies at the bottom of it.
00:14:14.000 It is this project of relativism.
00:14:17.000 We all get our own truth.
00:14:18.000 Planned parented VKC, man.
00:14:20.000 Right, exactly.
00:14:21.000 And so if they allow us to assert that, well, actually, there are some fundamental truths, like human biology is a fundamental truth, then, well, then they've just admitted that there is a fundamental truth and then lots of, and then the kind of dominoes fall from there.
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00:15:50.000 So for those of you who don't know, Anthony Kennedy was the deciding vote at 91-92, right?
00:15:54.000 Plan Punter BKC, which very well could have struck a decisive vote against Roe.
00:16:00.000 And he has this incoherent psycho babble where he's an otherwise pretty smart guy, where he basically says every person in the modern world can define what they know to be truth in your own existence.
00:16:11.000 It's something like that, right?
00:16:12.000 I mean, it was.
00:16:13.000 Yeah, words to that effect.
00:16:15.000 Yeah, like that meaning is what you make it in the modern world.
00:16:18.000 And that's who we are as the modern, right?
00:16:20.000 Versus the ancient post-enlightenment.
00:16:23.000 And he says, therefore, if you want to have an abortion, then it's right in your eyes. 0.85
00:16:26.000 And someone else, it might not be right in your eyes.
00:16:28.000 And so you're right that in your film, and this is the deeper philosophical part of this, is who are we to say that if there's anything that is true?
00:16:39.000 Essentially, they believe there is no absolute truth.
00:16:42.000 But then if you ask them if they believe that absolutely, they would say, of course.
00:16:45.000 Of course, their rejection of absolute truth actually is absolutely true in their own belief.
00:16:50.000 But if that come from?
00:16:53.000 Because that really is the underpinning of it.
00:16:56.000 That it must be, it's just deconstructionist.
00:16:58.000 It's Rousseauian.
00:16:59.000 I mean, it's...
00:17:00.000 Yeah, it comes.
00:17:02.000 In some ways, it's ancient.
00:17:03.000 I mean, you could trace it all the way back to the Lucifer.
00:17:06.000 Yeah, you can trace it back to the Garden of Eden if you want, you know, and before that.
00:17:10.000 In the film, we captured a few of these exchanges in the film, or we put it in the film, but we couldn't put it all in.
00:17:17.000 But I can remember maybe the most depressing experience I had doing the film, which says a lot because there's quite a few depressing.
00:17:24.000 I don't know how you didn't become a darker person because that's a separate issue. 0.59
00:17:28.000 What do you mean?
00:17:29.000 I did.
00:17:30.000 It doesn't show.
00:17:32.000 Yeah, that's not true.
00:17:35.000 But I can remember walking around the streets doing the Manistree thing in Los Angeles, San Francisco.
00:17:40.000 Yes, that woman that you talked to, sorry, I didn't mean to rupture.
00:17:43.000 Yeah, and there's a couple exchanges that are in the film that are just kind of mind-blowing.
00:17:47.000 One in particular where I asked the woman, she says, well, we all get our own truth.
00:17:50.000 And I said, well, what if it was my truth that you don't exist?
00:17:52.000 Does that mean you don't exist anymore?
00:17:53.000 And she said, yeah, that means I don't exist.
00:17:56.000 There was another exchange that I don't think it made an end when I'm talking to some women on the same stretch of road there, same kind of conversation.
00:18:03.000 And not because I took it there. 0.94
00:18:04.000 This is just where they took it.
00:18:05.000 So like the well, there is no truth.
00:18:07.000 And we were standing right next to a lamppost.
00:18:10.000 And I said, what if it's my truth that this lamppost doesn't exist?
00:18:13.000 Like I'm touching the lamppost.
00:18:14.000 Could I just walk through it?
00:18:16.000 And they were a little bit stumped by that.
00:18:19.000 I don't think that they exactly said yes, but they didn't say no either.
00:18:22.000 That's because they're agnostic on the question.
00:18:25.000 Agnostic about whether you could walk through the lamppost.
00:18:27.000 So if you really believe it, then you can.
00:18:28.000 It's like Peter Pan if you believe you can fly sort of thing.
00:18:31.000 And but it's not a fully formed idea.
00:18:34.000 It can't be because it's fundamentally incoherent, but they just can't allow themselves to confront the possibility that maybe there is a truth that is outside of them, that there are things in the world that are not subject to their own egotistical whims.
00:18:49.000 They can't allow themselves to consider that possibility because then, again, it's the domino's fault.
00:18:54.000 Yeah, and what I would say to those young ladies is preach what you practice.
00:18:58.000 Obviously, you believe it.
00:18:59.000 You wouldn't get in a car if you didn't believe.
00:19:01.000 You just run every red light.
00:19:02.000 Like, it's my belief.
00:19:02.000 I'm going to be fine.
00:19:03.000 Right.
00:19:05.000 Not only do they believe in physical truths, obviously, because they wouldn't be able to function, but they believe in moral truths.
00:19:13.000 They believe in natural law, whether they want to say they do.
00:19:16.000 It's just the shackles of reality, right?
00:19:18.000 Exactly.
00:19:19.000 If you were to ask them, you know, there's a violent rapist who's in court, like, did he do something wrong?
00:19:26.000 They would say, of course he did. 0.80
00:19:28.000 They would be offended that you even asked the question, even though the implications of their own belief system is that you cannot say that the rapist did anything wrong because that's his truth, that it's okay to rape.
00:19:38.000 But they cannot accept that, obviously, because that's a horrific thing.
00:19:41.000 So this is the tension.
00:19:44.000 This is the war that they're sort of waging within their own minds.
00:19:48.000 And it's why they're so confused.
00:19:49.000 We kind of laugh about it and there are funny moments in the film and everything, but it's also quite disturbing, especially when you think that there are, you know, kids are getting are succumbing to this every single day.
00:20:03.000 If you go on TikTok and see all the libs of TikTok, and again, it could be funny, but also at the same time, these are kids, tragic.
00:20:10.000 These are kids who are in the middle of a full-blown identity crisis.
00:20:15.000 It's a generational-wide identity crisis that's happening.
00:20:18.000 It's claiming an entire generation of kids to a degree that we've never seen before in human history.
00:20:23.000 And we can't even imagine where this goes.
00:20:25.000 I mean, this generation of kids, their trans identification, LGBT identification has risen like 20-fold over their grandparents' generation.
00:20:34.000 What does it look like 20 years from now?
00:20:35.000 What does that generation look like 20 years from now trying to live this way?
00:20:40.000 How does that translate?
00:20:41.000 I think we're going to see, for one thing, an epidemic of suicide in 10 to 15 years that is just breathtaking. 0.96
00:20:50.000 So not to focus too much on those two young ladies, but I think there is an element of this, and you touch on it perfectly in the film, of people that are really dumb that just want to sound smart. 0.94
00:21:00.000 And they think they're super smart. 0.88
00:21:01.000 Like, oh, yeah, you do whatever you want.
00:21:03.000 Like, cause I heard this in a college lecture and a TED Talk.
00:21:06.000 And I just think part of our job is just to kind of sober people and say, you actually don't sound very smart by saying that. 1.00
00:21:11.000 It's remarkably stupid. 0.98
00:21:13.000 Yeah, I think it's really important for us on the right to not get lost in the weeds. 1.00
00:21:20.000 Those girls were not very good. 1.00
00:21:21.000 I think they did want to sound smart. 1.00
00:21:22.000 They weren't very good at it.
00:21:23.000 But you know what I mean by that.
00:21:24.000 But you're exactly right.
00:21:26.000 This is that a lot of it is wanting to sound smart.
00:21:28.000 And I think sometimes even people on the right can fall for it, especially when it's coming from a more gifted speaker, someone who's more academic, like a professor or something, and they could throw a lot of jargon at you.
00:21:37.000 And then maybe even get you to walk away saying, well, maybe this is more complicated than I thought.
00:21:44.000 It's really not.
00:21:45.000 It's actually very simple.
00:21:46.000 This is where I think that I actually, in some ways, benefit from the fact that I didn't go to college.
00:21:50.000 Oh, you didn't?
00:21:50.000 No, no.
00:21:51.000 Same.
00:21:51.000 We have that in common.
00:21:52.000 Yeah.
00:21:52.000 Yeah.
00:21:52.000 Well, I went to, no, it's not true.
00:21:54.000 I went to community college for a semester and dropped out.
00:21:56.000 So I have, I don't even think I have any credits at all.
00:21:58.000 I took one community college course, but we're both dropouts.
00:22:01.000 Okay.
00:22:01.000 Did you complete the course, though?
00:22:02.000 I think I completely one of them.
00:22:04.000 Okay.
00:22:04.000 So you're like a PhD compared to me then.
00:22:05.000 Oh, is that right?
00:22:07.000 But this is the advantage that both of us have because it's like if you're, if you don't have all that stuff cluttering your mind, you just tend to think in more simple, common sense ways.
00:22:18.000 And so I think sometimes it's easier for us to just see through all of that.
00:22:20.000 Yeah, I just go to Yosemite.
00:22:21.000 I'm like, there's something in nature that I like.
00:22:23.000 Right, exactly.
00:22:24.000 There's a harmony here.
00:22:26.000 A lot of kids that go to college and it's like they're being conditioned to be impressed by jargon that doesn't mean anything.
00:22:31.000 Well, no, that's the incentive structure.
00:22:33.000 You have to write a piece of paper that panders to the intelligentsia, right? 0.98
00:22:40.000 You get an A or you get a C whether or not you regurgitate the idea of the super smart dumb person or the credentialed dumb person that tells you to believe this.
00:22:48.000 So, Kinsey, this is one of the most powerful parts of the film. 0.88
00:22:51.000 I'll be very honest.
00:22:52.000 I'd heard his name a couple times, didn't take it seriously.
00:22:55.000 I went on a total like Kinsey research spree after the film.
00:22:59.000 This guy is one of the most evil people, I think, in the modern world, if not in recorded human history.
00:23:05.000 Tell us about him. 0.95
00:23:06.000 Yeah, he's the, well, if John Money is the godfather of gender ideology, then I think that Kinsey is the godfather of the sexual revolution.
00:23:13.000 And he believed he was working around the same time as John Money, a little bit before him, I believe.
00:23:20.000 He started his career. 0.73
00:23:22.000 But he believed that, first of all, babies are sexual.
00:23:26.000 Everyone is sexual from birth. 0.95
00:23:29.000 The only unnatural sex act for a human being is that which they cannot perform.
00:23:34.000 Right.
00:23:34.000 And everything else is fine.
00:23:38.000 So we cannot judge, make any moral judgments at all about any kind of sexual act that anyone wants to participate in, according to Kinsey, including bestiality and pedophilia and all the rest of it.
00:23:50.000 That we are, you know, we are born from birth to be sexual creatures.
00:23:54.000 And not only that, but he believed that kind of what we consider to be traditional, normal sexuality and sexual relationships, men and women, making babies, that this was, you know, it's like an, he believed it was kind of a, it was, it was this false image that we've been given, that this is normal, that in reality, these more, these alternative lifestyles are much more common.
00:24:17.000 And I forget what his exact statistics were, but he, he, you know, did these studies and he would declare that, oh, you know, large percentage of the population is homosexual.
00:24:26.000 A large percentage of the population does this and that.
00:24:28.000 These crazy numbers.
00:24:29.000 Right.
00:24:29.000 Huge numbers.
00:24:30.000 And then you look into his research and you find, well, where do you get these numbers from?
00:24:35.000 Well, he wasn't interviewing normal cross-sections of the public.
00:24:38.000 He was like insane asylum.
00:24:39.000 Yeah, he was going to prisons.
00:24:40.000 He was talking to sex offenders.
00:24:41.000 That's what he was doing.
00:24:42.000 And he was extrapolating from that.
00:24:44.000 He was making extrapolations about the general population based on that.
00:24:48.000 But even more horrifying was this stuff about how babies are sexual from birth.
00:24:53.000 And he ran experiments to confirm that as well. 0.99
00:24:58.000 And he would bring in pedophiles and he would have them sexually abuse children and then document it. 0.88
00:25:06.000 And so there's the infamous Table 34, which is in his book, Sexual Behavior of the Human Male, which was his first book. 0.97
00:25:15.000 And it documents, claims to document the orgasms of children all the way down to, I think the youngest was five months old. 0.99
00:25:23.000 And so he would have these pedophile rapists raping these children and then taking notes. 0.99
00:25:29.000 And they would bring the notes into Kinsey and he would sit there and they would talk about it. 1.00
00:25:32.000 And then he would send them out to do more.
00:25:34.000 It's just, yes, I agree, one of the most evil people in human history, especially when you look at the effect that he's had on the culture.
00:25:43.000 And yet, I mean, the Kinsey Institute is still a thing.
00:25:46.000 At Indiana University.
00:25:47.000 Right.
00:25:48.000 And he's...
00:25:48.000 Got a statue to him, the whole thing.
00:25:50.000 They make movies about it.
00:25:51.000 They've made multiple recently, Hollywood's made multiple movies about him.
00:25:54.000 And they either just ignore this stuff or they kind of pepper it over.
00:25:57.000 They try to glance over it.
00:25:58.000 But this is also an important point because when we say that a lot of the sex ed in schools is grooming and the left gets very upset about that, well, comprehensive sex education, so-called, is based on Kinsey's ideas.
00:26:13.000 He's the inventor of comprehensive sex education.
00:26:16.000 And he was explicitly interested in grooming children for sexual behavior.
00:26:21.000 It's what he believed.
00:26:22.000 It's what he wanted to do.
00:26:23.000 And he came up with these, quote, resources and these educational strategies to do that.
00:26:30.000 So it's not just a conspiracy theory that they're grooming children with sex ed.
00:26:36.000 It's what it was invented to do and has been doing for decades.
00:26:39.000 This is a very difficult truth for a lot of normal people to process, that there is a philosophical tradition that's over 100 years old that is basically was clinically documented on child rape.
00:26:59.000 Yeah, it's and that's so much of what the left benefits from is that some of what's much of what's happened in our culture is so horrifying that people don't want to believe that it's true.
00:27:12.000 And so the left, they can do something.
00:27:15.000 And then if URI points out, hey, they're doing this thing, they can say, I would never do that. 0.85
00:27:19.000 Are you crazy? 0.99
00:27:20.000 That's disgusting. 0.99
00:27:21.000 And the average person who's not paying that close attention would say, oh, yeah, well, they definitely weren't doing that. 0.92
00:27:25.000 You know, castrating children.
00:27:28.000 He's not that bad.
00:27:28.000 Liam Neeson played him in a movie.
00:27:30.000 Come on.
00:27:31.000 Exactly.
00:27:31.000 Liam Neeson wouldn't play a bad guy.
00:27:34.000 Right.
00:27:34.000 And if someone did that, then they wouldn't have an institute named after them.
00:27:37.000 Yeah, that's exactly. 0.93
00:27:38.000 There's no way they're not bringing children into hospitals and doing genital, you know, mutilating them, chopping breasts off. 0.99
00:27:44.000 Nobody would do that. 0.99
00:27:45.000 That's crazy.
00:27:46.000 Well, they are doing it.
00:27:47.000 That's why so much of our job is like actually raising awareness and just letting people know that this stuff is happening.
00:27:52.000 I want to be respectful of your time, but Matt, I want to ask you, what did you learn by making the film?
00:27:58.000 Because you're an expert before you made the film.
00:27:59.000 You knew a lot of the facts.
00:28:00.000 You've been doing this for years.
00:28:01.000 You were ahead of the curve.
00:28:02.000 You were talking about social conservatism well before I was, and you deserve credit for that.
00:28:06.000 What did you learn?
00:28:07.000 What, I mean, behaviorally, factually, what was your big takeaway in the making of this project?
00:28:18.000 There's a lot that I knew already that was demonstrated to me, and there's a real value in that in demonstrating to people what they already know.
00:28:26.000 So for me, there was a lot of that.
00:28:29.000 The thing that I, if I learned something, it was just how pervasive these ideas are and how ubiquitous is this fundamental confusion.
00:28:40.000 Because what I was not expecting is that when we would travel around the country and go out on the street and talk to normal people, I thought that we would, you know, if we talked to some blue-haired, you know, 20-year-old girl, that we would get a lot of the gender ideology stuff.
00:28:52.000 But I thought, naively, it turns out that, you know, you stop some average guy, it looks like he's over 50, and you're going to get basic common sense from him.
00:29:01.000 You ask him, what's a woman? 0.95
00:29:01.000 He's like, hey, a woman's, you know, she has breasts. 0.95
00:29:04.000 And she says, you get an answer like that.
00:29:06.000 And that's not what happened.
00:29:07.000 What we found is that the vast majority of people we talked to, no matter their demographics, no matter how old they were, didn't matter race, anything like that, they would start regurgitating to us these basically the same things we hear from the college professors.
00:29:19.000 They didn't know that they're regurgitating that, but that's what they were doing.
00:29:22.000 And I found that shocking.
00:29:25.000 Just how difficult it was.
00:29:27.000 You know, in the film, we portrayed as though I'm traveling around the entire world and I can't get a straight answer.
00:29:32.000 I finally get it from my wife in the kitchen.
00:29:34.000 But that is which I found to be hilarious. 1.00
00:29:37.000 Of course, it's the kitchen. 1.00
00:29:38.000 It's very sexist, of course, because she's in the kitchen. 1.00
00:29:41.000 As I was told by the feminists, but that is actually what happened. 1.00
00:29:44.000 We were desperately looking for people that would give us a straight answer.
00:29:47.000 It was very difficult to find anyone.
00:29:49.000 And so we have a lot more work to do, I guess, is what I learned.
00:29:52.000 How do we defeat them?
00:29:55.000 I think the first thing is to bring these truths to light, to shed light on the darkness.
00:30:02.000 That's our first, that's the first job.
00:30:04.000 And the great thing is that if you do that, a lot of things start to happen on their own.
00:30:09.000 It's like what we did in Tennessee with Vanderbilt Jews. 1.00
00:30:13.000 This is amazing. 0.69
00:30:13.000 I know people on that board, and you scared the crap out of them. 0.69
00:30:17.000 Yeah, and all we did, all we did was just say, hey, look at what they're doing over here.
00:30:20.000 And Tunker also shined a big light on it, too.
00:30:22.000 He did.
00:30:23.000 And then the public kind of took it from there and spoke out.
00:30:25.000 So I think shining a light in the darkness is a big thing.
00:30:28.000 But then also we have to mobilize.
00:30:30.000 The left for too long, they've been the ones mobilizing.
00:30:33.000 They're very good at getting out into the street and being visible and being seen.
00:30:37.000 And I think oftentimes the right kind of has a cynical attitude about that.
00:30:42.000 They say, I don't want to go around holding a sign.
00:30:45.000 I have a job.
00:30:45.000 I don't have time for that.
00:30:47.000 And I understand that.
00:30:49.000 But people need to see you.
00:30:50.000 And also, other people who agree with us need to know that they're not alone.
00:30:55.000 Yes, that's exactly right.
00:30:56.000 Events like that you put on all the time are very good at that, like letting people know you're not alone.
00:31:01.000 Yes.
00:31:02.000 But we have to bring that also out onto the streets.
00:31:05.000 I totally agree.
00:31:06.000 I mean, we should have peaceful protests outside of every one of these gender reassignment clinics regularly. 0.94
00:31:12.000 Agreed.
00:31:13.000 Matt, I know you got to run.
00:31:14.000 Thanks so much.
00:31:15.000 Appreciate it.
00:31:15.000 Thank you.
00:31:16.000 Thanks, man.
00:31:16.000 And check out Matt Walsh's podcast.
00:31:17.000 It's terrific.
00:31:18.000 Thanks.
00:31:19.000 Thanks.
00:31:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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