00:00:36.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:59.000So, Matt, why should we push back against using people's preferred pronouns?
00:01:05.000Well, because it's not, it is the left trying to force us to participate in a lie.
00:01:13.000And that's really what it comes down to.
00:01:15.000It's become, the pronoun thing has become this kind of symbolic ritual.
00:01:18.000You know, they say it's, well, it's about being inclusive, but it's actually, it's more of a, it's like a forced conversion, especially when, you know, people in schools are forced to get to do it.
00:01:28.000When you start seeing it in the workplace and all that sort of thing, it's like it's as if it's sort of the unholy satanic version of a secular workplace that requires everyone to do the sign of the cross.
00:01:40.000It's like this symbolic religious ritual, which is what the pronoun exchange has become.
00:01:44.000But what you're actually doing, even if it's just symbolic, is that you are participating in a falsehood and you just can't do that.
00:01:59.000Was there a philosopher that all of a sudden said, hey, no one ever asked, no one ever cared, but now we have to put pronouns in email signatures?
00:02:13.000Like, oh, like manna from heaven, like here's the pronoun thing.
00:02:15.000It feels like it appeared out of nowhere, but I think it's an outcropping of gender ideology, which came into its, you know, you could trace it back kind of as far as you want to.
00:02:26.000And you've done a fabulous job of that in your film.
00:02:28.000And Carl Truman wrote a book called The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, which if anyone hasn't read that book, have you read that book?
00:02:39.000And he takes this idea, he sort of says, like, we live in a society now where a man can say, I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, and that makes sense to people.
00:02:50.000And how did we get to a point where that statement seems to make sense to people intuitively?
00:02:54.000And he traces it all the way back, you know, to its philosophical origins 200, 300 years ago.
00:02:59.000But I think if you could choose the middle of the 20th century as the time when gender ideology in its current form took shape.
00:03:07.000And then the pronoun stuff, that was part of this move, I don't know, seven or eight years ago when all these things that already existed in academic circles exploded onto the mainstream.
00:03:19.000And I think it was all kind of part of that.
00:03:22.000It's so obviously a manifestation of a societal sickness.
00:03:25.000I'm just curious of, was there a concerted effort or was just one of those things where they just started to do it at Oberlin and it just kind of caught on.
00:03:32.000They're like, oh, yeah, that's a cool idea.
00:03:34.000It's kind of an attachment onto how tyrannical and radical we've been.
00:03:40.000I think it's, I think in that sense, it is sort of caught on in a way organically, I suppose.
00:03:46.000Although I hesitate to say that because if we say that, then it makes it sound like.
00:03:50.000There's popularity behind it or something.
00:03:51.000Well, it also makes it sound like we're buying into the left's claim that the pronoun stuff, it's just, it's an evolution of language and language evolved.
00:03:59.000But this is not the evolution of language.
00:04:01.000I mean, language can evolve and words can change and that sort of thing.
00:04:04.000But what we're seeing now is a kind of top-down proscriptive change where the elites are imposing it on us and saying, you have to start speaking this way.
00:04:15.000And if you don't, there's going to be consequences.
00:04:20.000That's a perfect example is pronouns is one thing, but take something like something absurd, like this Latinx Latinx, however you're supposed to call it.
00:04:34.000And yet the left keeps shoving it down their throats.
00:04:38.000Maybe 10 years from now, we'll do a poll and a majority of Hispanics, especially younger Hispanics, will say, oh, yeah, I identify as Latin, Latinx.
00:04:45.000And then what the left will claim is, you see, language evolved.
00:05:07.000Actually, you've never even tasted it.
00:05:08.000You have no idea how good it could be.
00:05:10.000So that's just so interesting because we've lived in a society that has changed so gradually than suddenly, to use a Hemingway quote.
00:05:19.000And the pronoun thing, what bothers me the most about it is how good people seem to feel when they put it on either their email signature or their social media profile.
00:05:32.000There is a virtue signal part of this that is that's almost religious.
00:05:37.000It is religious, and it's what's the whole point of a virtue signal is that it's something that takes requires no effort on your part, but it's sending it's kind of a bat signal out to the woke authorities that you're on their side.
00:05:59.000And the whole point of virtue signal is that it's something that doesn't require really anything of you.
00:06:05.000In a certain sense, in another sense, it actually requires quite a lot of you because it requires you to basically give up your soul, to surrender your soul to them and to say that I'm going to go along with a lie because you tell me to.
00:06:16.000So that actually is something quite significant.
00:06:18.000But in terms of effort, there's not a lot of effort there.
00:06:30.000I haven't really thought that too much.
00:06:31.000Well, they would, you know, they would point out that if you listen to the way people speak today, it's going to be different from the way people spoke.
00:06:55.000And also, that's also a descriptive thing.
00:06:58.000So maybe people start using words a little bit differently, naturally, and then descriptively it will end up in the language textbooks and the grammar textbooks to reflect what people are doing.
00:07:09.000But this is, again, it's a top-down thing.
00:07:10.000And the other thing, too, is that it's one thing to change a word.
00:07:55.000There are the obvious examples of language manipulation, but then the left has such a cultural monopoly now, especially on all of our institutions, academic institutions, that there are subtle examples of language manipulation that a lot of us never pick up on.
00:08:11.000And so we end up sort of surrendering the argument before it even begins, just by the words we're talking about.
00:08:16.000Well, on this topic, the prime example would be the word gender itself, like the fact that we're using, I even use the word gender.
00:08:34.000But when we use the word gender, we are, whether we mean to or not, we are giving our assent to this idea that gender is another word apart from sex.
00:08:45.000And so we need the word gender because for whatever reason, the word sex doesn't suffice.
00:09:08.000It was one of the most powerful things I've seen in a while on any topic.
00:09:11.000And it was so persuasively done because it was so simple where you just go around and ask a question that should be, it really should have been a five-minute film in a healthy society, right?
00:09:30.000The editing room was really tough because there was.
00:09:33.000I told Jeremy you guys should still release some of the edited clips because, and I'm sure they would go viral because I can imagine that there was just so much when you went to Women's March and all that.
00:09:43.000But one of the things I really appreciated about the film, which could be its own like eight-minute YouTube video, is how you go from Kinsey and you go to all these different people of what they thought, what they believed.
00:09:54.000And so I want to zero in on what you just said, and then we'll go to Kinsey and we'll go to the guy with the twins.
00:10:09.000And what was their philosophical justification for that?
00:10:12.000Well, it wasn't just one guy, but the guy that I would consider, not just me, but the most would consider the sort of the godfather of gender ideology is John Money.
00:10:23.000And he did coin some of these phrases, like gender identity as a phrase comes from him.
00:10:27.000The idea of people having a gender distinct from sex is, he was one of the pioneers of that idea.
00:10:31.000And he was a mid-20th century sexologist in the, you know, kind of the same school of thought of Alfred Kinsey, but he had more of a focus on gender.
00:10:40.000And he believed that gender is entirely a social phenomenon.
00:10:47.000And so it's something that we kind of give to people.
00:10:50.000And so he thought that boys are boys because that's what we have decided as society that they are.
00:10:56.000And so if you take a boy and just tell him he's a girl, if that's society, what society tells him, and that then it will reflect that.
00:11:03.000And the case that we, the fame, the infamous case that we talk a little bit about in the film, although this could be its own movie.
00:13:36.000I mean, it's the number one thing you're not allowed to talk about.
00:13:38.000Because I think it's so fundamental to the left's cultural project that they can't allow you to question it.
00:13:47.000Because if you start to question it and you start to be skeptical about it, then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, I think.
00:13:56.000Because what lays at the root of gender ideology?
00:13:58.000There's a reason why in the film, if you watch the film, every single conversation I had with someone on that side would eventually devolve into this kind of punches pilot, what is truth thing.
00:14:21.000And so if they allow us to assert that, well, actually, there are some fundamental truths, like human biology is a fundamental truth, then, well, then they've just admitted that there is a fundamental truth and then lots of, and then the kind of dominoes fall from there.
00:14:38.000What if I told you that you could save a baby's life for just $28?
00:14:44.000Pre-born is a ministry doing just that with the help of you, with your help.
00:14:49.000And look, by giving your help, you guys can get a free ultrasound session.
00:14:54.000With your help, you can give a free ultrasound session to a woman or a girl who might otherwise choose to end their pregnancy.
00:15:02.000We know that pregnant girls and women who can see their babies on ultrasound are far more likely to choose life.
00:15:08.000Your gift today can save babies' lives for just $28, and it can give a mother who is abortion-minded the chance to see the truth of the baby that is growing inside her.
00:15:17.000$140 can do this for five girls and women.
00:15:21.000And $15,000 will provide an ultrasound machine that will save lives for years to come.
00:15:26.000Go to charliekirk.com and click on the pre-born banner.
00:15:29.000There's no better time than now to save a baby's life.
00:15:33.000And right now, your gift is matched dollar for dollar, doubling your impact.
00:15:37.000Go to charliekirk.com or call 833-850-2229.
00:15:47.000That's very insightful, and it's totally true.
00:15:50.000So for those of you who don't know, Anthony Kennedy was the deciding vote at 91-92, right?
00:15:54.000Plan Punter BKC, which very well could have struck a decisive vote against Roe.
00:16:00.000And he has this incoherent psycho babble where he's an otherwise pretty smart guy, where he basically says every person in the modern world can define what they know to be truth in your own existence.
00:16:15.000Yeah, like that meaning is what you make it in the modern world.
00:16:18.000And that's who we are as the modern, right?
00:16:20.000Versus the ancient post-enlightenment.
00:16:23.000And he says, therefore, if you want to have an abortion, then it's right in your eyes.
00:16:26.000And someone else, it might not be right in your eyes.
00:16:28.000And so you're right that in your film, and this is the deeper philosophical part of this, is who are we to say that if there's anything that is true?
00:16:39.000Essentially, they believe there is no absolute truth.
00:16:42.000But then if you ask them if they believe that absolutely, they would say, of course.
00:16:45.000Of course, their rejection of absolute truth actually is absolutely true in their own belief.
00:17:35.000But I can remember walking around the streets doing the Manistree thing in Los Angeles, San Francisco.
00:17:40.000Yes, that woman that you talked to, sorry, I didn't mean to rupture.
00:17:43.000Yeah, and there's a couple exchanges that are in the film that are just kind of mind-blowing.
00:17:47.000One in particular where I asked the woman, she says, well, we all get our own truth.
00:17:50.000And I said, well, what if it was my truth that you don't exist?
00:17:52.000Does that mean you don't exist anymore?
00:17:53.000And she said, yeah, that means I don't exist.
00:17:56.000There was another exchange that I don't think it made an end when I'm talking to some women on the same stretch of road there, same kind of conversation.
00:18:34.000It can't be because it's fundamentally incoherent, but they just can't allow themselves to confront the possibility that maybe there is a truth that is outside of them, that there are things in the world that are not subject to their own egotistical whims.
00:18:49.000They can't allow themselves to consider that possibility because then, again, it's the domino's fault.
00:18:54.000Yeah, and what I would say to those young ladies is preach what you practice.
00:19:28.000They would be offended that you even asked the question, even though the implications of their own belief system is that you cannot say that the rapist did anything wrong because that's his truth, that it's okay to rape.
00:19:38.000But they cannot accept that, obviously, because that's a horrific thing.
00:19:49.000We kind of laugh about it and there are funny moments in the film and everything, but it's also quite disturbing, especially when you think that there are, you know, kids are getting are succumbing to this every single day.
00:20:03.000If you go on TikTok and see all the libs of TikTok, and again, it could be funny, but also at the same time, these are kids, tragic.
00:20:10.000These are kids who are in the middle of a full-blown identity crisis.
00:20:15.000It's a generational-wide identity crisis that's happening.
00:20:18.000It's claiming an entire generation of kids to a degree that we've never seen before in human history.
00:20:23.000And we can't even imagine where this goes.
00:20:25.000I mean, this generation of kids, their trans identification, LGBT identification has risen like 20-fold over their grandparents' generation.
00:20:34.000What does it look like 20 years from now?
00:20:35.000What does that generation look like 20 years from now trying to live this way?
00:20:41.000I think we're going to see, for one thing, an epidemic of suicide in 10 to 15 years that is just breathtaking.
00:20:50.000So not to focus too much on those two young ladies, but I think there is an element of this, and you touch on it perfectly in the film, of people that are really dumb that just want to sound smart.
00:21:26.000This is that a lot of it is wanting to sound smart.
00:21:28.000And I think sometimes even people on the right can fall for it, especially when it's coming from a more gifted speaker, someone who's more academic, like a professor or something, and they could throw a lot of jargon at you.
00:21:37.000And then maybe even get you to walk away saying, well, maybe this is more complicated than I thought.
00:22:07.000But this is the advantage that both of us have because it's like if you're, if you don't have all that stuff cluttering your mind, you just tend to think in more simple, common sense ways.
00:22:18.000And so I think sometimes it's easier for us to just see through all of that.
00:22:26.000A lot of kids that go to college and it's like they're being conditioned to be impressed by jargon that doesn't mean anything.
00:22:31.000Well, no, that's the incentive structure.
00:22:33.000You have to write a piece of paper that panders to the intelligentsia, right?
00:22:40.000You get an A or you get a C whether or not you regurgitate the idea of the super smart dumb person or the credentialed dumb person that tells you to believe this.
00:22:48.000So, Kinsey, this is one of the most powerful parts of the film.
00:23:06.000Yeah, he's the, well, if John Money is the godfather of gender ideology, then I think that Kinsey is the godfather of the sexual revolution.
00:23:13.000And he believed he was working around the same time as John Money, a little bit before him, I believe.
00:23:38.000So we cannot judge, make any moral judgments at all about any kind of sexual act that anyone wants to participate in, according to Kinsey, including bestiality and pedophilia and all the rest of it.
00:23:50.000That we are, you know, we are born from birth to be sexual creatures.
00:23:54.000And not only that, but he believed that kind of what we consider to be traditional, normal sexuality and sexual relationships, men and women, making babies, that this was, you know, it's like an, he believed it was kind of a, it was, it was this false image that we've been given, that this is normal, that in reality, these more, these alternative lifestyles are much more common.
00:24:17.000And I forget what his exact statistics were, but he, he, you know, did these studies and he would declare that, oh, you know, large percentage of the population is homosexual.
00:24:26.000A large percentage of the population does this and that.
00:24:44.000He was making extrapolations about the general population based on that.
00:24:48.000But even more horrifying was this stuff about how babies are sexual from birth.
00:24:53.000And he ran experiments to confirm that as well.
00:24:58.000And he would bring in pedophiles and he would have them sexually abuse children and then document it.
00:25:06.000And so there's the infamous Table 34, which is in his book, Sexual Behavior of the Human Male, which was his first book.
00:25:15.000And it documents, claims to document the orgasms of children all the way down to, I think the youngest was five months old.
00:25:23.000And so he would have these pedophile rapists raping these children and then taking notes.
00:25:29.000And they would bring the notes into Kinsey and he would sit there and they would talk about it.
00:25:32.000And then he would send them out to do more.
00:25:34.000It's just, yes, I agree, one of the most evil people in human history, especially when you look at the effect that he's had on the culture.
00:25:43.000And yet, I mean, the Kinsey Institute is still a thing.
00:25:58.000But this is also an important point because when we say that a lot of the sex ed in schools is grooming and the left gets very upset about that, well, comprehensive sex education, so-called, is based on Kinsey's ideas.
00:26:13.000He's the inventor of comprehensive sex education.
00:26:16.000And he was explicitly interested in grooming children for sexual behavior.
00:26:23.000And he came up with these, quote, resources and these educational strategies to do that.
00:26:30.000So it's not just a conspiracy theory that they're grooming children with sex ed.
00:26:36.000It's what it was invented to do and has been doing for decades.
00:26:39.000This is a very difficult truth for a lot of normal people to process, that there is a philosophical tradition that's over 100 years old that is basically was clinically documented on child rape.
00:26:59.000Yeah, it's and that's so much of what the left benefits from is that some of what's much of what's happened in our culture is so horrifying that people don't want to believe that it's true.
00:27:12.000And so the left, they can do something.
00:27:15.000And then if URI points out, hey, they're doing this thing, they can say, I would never do that.
00:28:07.000What, I mean, behaviorally, factually, what was your big takeaway in the making of this project?
00:28:18.000There's a lot that I knew already that was demonstrated to me, and there's a real value in that in demonstrating to people what they already know.
00:28:29.000The thing that I, if I learned something, it was just how pervasive these ideas are and how ubiquitous is this fundamental confusion.
00:28:40.000Because what I was not expecting is that when we would travel around the country and go out on the street and talk to normal people, I thought that we would, you know, if we talked to some blue-haired, you know, 20-year-old girl, that we would get a lot of the gender ideology stuff.
00:28:52.000But I thought, naively, it turns out that, you know, you stop some average guy, it looks like he's over 50, and you're going to get basic common sense from him.
00:29:07.000What we found is that the vast majority of people we talked to, no matter their demographics, no matter how old they were, didn't matter race, anything like that, they would start regurgitating to us these basically the same things we hear from the college professors.
00:29:19.000They didn't know that they're regurgitating that, but that's what they were doing.