The Charlie Kirk Show - The Left Wonders: What if They're the Bad Guys? with Rep. Byron Donalds

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00:01:07.000 We have the great Byron Donalds with us.

00:01:09.000 Could you imagine the Donalds, 2024?

00:01:12.000 Byron Donalds, Donald Trump.

00:01:15.000 What do you think, Byron?

00:01:16.000 The Donalds, 2024?

00:01:17.000 How does that sound?

00:01:19.000 See?

00:01:20.000 I mean, Charlie, you keep getting me in trouble.

00:01:22.000 I get you in trouble.

00:01:23.000 Look, my thing is...

00:01:23.000 I'm your number one man.

00:01:24.000 I'm your number one fan.

00:01:26.000 Number one supporter.

00:01:26.000 You know that.

00:01:28.000 So, but you don't have to answer that unless you want to.

00:01:31.000 No, I'm good.

00:01:33.000 Honestly, though, it's just about winning.

00:01:35.000 It's just about winning.

00:01:36.000 We got to get back on track.

00:01:37.000 You've been an amazing supporter of President Trump.

00:01:39.000 I hope the audience knows that.

00:01:40.000 You've been terrific and of the truth.

00:01:42.000 Tell us about the Devin Archer transcribed interview.

00:01:45.000 What's the latest?

00:01:46.000 What do we know?

00:01:47.000 And how is this relevant to the Biden corruption probe and potential impeachment?

00:01:52.000 Oh, you're talking about the biggest story that the media won't cover?

00:01:55.000 Oh, okay.

00:01:56.000 Well, let me tell you about it.

00:01:57.000 Look, what Devin Archer essentially came in and told us is that, you know, yeah, Hunter Biden would get him on the phone multiple times, 20 times.

00:02:05.000 And, you know, Devin, he tried to go out of his way to say, oh, but Joe Biden never talked about business on the call.

00:02:10.000 But here's the problem.

00:02:12.000 If you're influence peddling, if that's what you're doing, which is exactly what the Bidens have been doing all this time, I don't need you talking business.

00:02:20.000 I just got to show the people I'm getting money from that I can access you at a moment's notice.

00:02:26.000 And so let's bring this into the real world, right?

00:02:28.000 We all got family.

00:02:30.000 We got wives, you know, husbands, whatever, whoever you are. 0.90

00:02:30.000 We got kids. 0.90

00:02:34.000 If you're called constantly by, let's say, your son, after the first or second call, you're going to call your son and be like, dude, who are these people you got me on the phone with?

00:02:43.000 Especially if the way Hunter and Joe talk about it and Devin Archer, that they talk every day.

00:02:50.000 If you talk every day, you know what your son is doing.

00:02:54.000 So we know that Joe Biden lied when he said he never talked to his son, never talked to a business associate.

00:03:00.000 His son never got any money from foreign countries.

00:03:02.000 We all know that's a lie.

00:03:04.000 And where we are right now is making that last tie that Joe Biden did benefit from Hunter's shakedown of foreign countries and foreign companies.

00:03:16.000 There are text messages where Hunter says, yeah, to his daughter, at least I don't make you give up half your salary the way I have to give up half of my money to my dad.

00:03:25.000 He texts that to his own daughter in 2019.

00:03:29.000 We do believe there's a receipt of some hotel where he paid for Joe Biden's hotel stay.

00:03:34.000 So at this point, at this point, Charlie, I don't even need Joe Biden to really have taken money.

00:03:40.000 All I got to show is that Hunter was paying the bills.

00:03:43.000 And if Hunter was paying the bills, that is pay-for-play.

00:03:47.000 It's a quit of pro quo.

00:03:48.000 You put that in line with the fact that they did take millions from Burisma and a prosecutor that went in and that was fired was because of pressure brought by Joe Biden.

00:03:59.000 That's where we are.

00:04:00.000 And so, look, Byron, you're going to have to help me out here, okay?

00:04:03.000 I like to think that some people in the Democrat Party can be honest and rational.

00:04:08.000 I'm losing that faith.

00:04:10.000 Dan Goldman, is there something wrong with this guy?

00:04:12.000 Like, I actually mean, is there something I'm missing?

00:04:14.000 Like, is there a widget missing?

00:04:16.000 Is there some sort of like what this guy is as I mean, I'll just stop there.

00:04:21.000 Is there something wrong with this person?

00:04:23.000 I mean, look, he's the new Adam Schiff, as far as I'm concerned.

00:04:27.000 That's the role he's playing on their side of the aisle.

00:04:30.000 Because Dan is, you know, he'll come out and just make these statements.

00:04:33.000 He just makes stuff up.

00:04:34.000 This is the statements of an attorney.

00:04:36.000 Yes.

00:04:36.000 Listen, this is the statements of a defense attorney as far as I'm concerned.

00:04:40.000 He is the leading defense attorney in Congress for the Biden family.

00:04:43.000 And so he's going to spin and do whatever he needs to do.

00:04:46.000 But I just ignore him.

00:04:47.000 First, I laugh, then I ignore him.

00:04:49.000 Because the truth of the matter is anybody with common sense knows that Joe Biden knew exactly what was going on.

00:04:55.000 Look, Charlie, when Joe Biden was vice president, that's when they set up all these accounts, these 2030 bank accounts.

00:05:01.000 They set all that up when he was vice president of the United States.

00:05:01.000 That's a good point.

00:05:04.000 And again, you talk to your son every day.

00:05:07.000 Your son's with you on Air Force 2, going to every country that Barack Obama basically gave you authority over.

00:05:15.000 He's on every trip, and then money's coming in, and you don't know. 1.00

00:05:18.000 If you don't know, then you're a bigger fool and you're incompetent and you definitely don't deserve to be commander in chief. 1.00

00:05:24.000 So, Byron, is it time for impeachment? 1.00

00:05:28.000 Yes.

00:05:30.000 Next question.

00:05:31.000 Is the Speaker of the House ready to proceed on that in a timeline where we can start to have orderly hearings, vote, and get it to the Senate for a trial, impeachment inquiry?

00:05:44.000 I actually believe so.

00:05:45.000 I've not talked to the speaker about it, but talking with Chairman Comer, Chairman Jordan, we've been talking during the August recess.

00:05:53.000 I think we're going to be in line to do this.

00:05:56.000 And look, for the Republicans in the Senate, some of them, and even some of my colleagues in the House, you got to understand that we have more evidence than the Democrats wish they ever could have compiled with respect to Donald Trump.

00:06:11.000 We got more evidence than Jack Smith has. 0.97

00:06:12.000 What Jack Smith is doing is just atrocious and ridiculous. 0.81

00:06:16.000 We have more evidence than anything they ever had against Richard Nixon. 0.94

00:06:19.000 It's all sitting in front of us.

00:06:21.000 The question becomes, are the Republicans, are we going to now finally play the real game that is going on, which is risk, the game of global domination, or are we still going to be playing UNO?

00:06:32.000 Because if we're playing UNO while the Democrats are playing risk, we're going to lose, period.

00:06:36.000 Point blank.

00:06:36.000 So, Byron, I mean, just taking the temperature, do you think some of the more moderate Republicans are going to vote for impeachment potentially?

00:06:44.000 I actually believe so, because when we're done laying out this case, I think, obviously, there's a lot of talking points and media interviews that are swirling.

00:06:52.000 But when you get into impeachment inquiry, you actually get to the actual elements of either treason, bribery, or high crimes and misdemeanors.

00:07:01.000 Like those are the three, those are the three tenets of impeachment.

00:07:04.000 When we lay out this argument, it's going to be very difficult for some of my colleagues to say, no, he didn't do anything, because it just, it smells, it stinks, it reeks.

00:07:14.000 But when you lay out all the data points, logically, there is nowhere else to go.

00:07:19.000 What are we going to do?

00:07:20.000 Get a special counsel appointed by Merrick Garland to look into this?

00:07:24.000 Yeah, right.

00:07:25.000 That guy will do nothing.

00:07:26.000 How do I know this?

00:07:28.000 Because the current special counsel look into Hunt, into Joe Biden for his documents case.

00:07:33.000 We haven't heard a peep from that guy.

00:07:35.000 We only hear about Jack Smith and what he's doing with respect to Donald Trump.

00:07:38.000 So this falls to the House of Representatives.

00:07:41.000 And I think that my colleagues on the more moderate side of the aisle are going to do the right thing when all the information is laid in front of them.

00:07:47.000 So, and then let's talk about defunding Jack Smith.

00:07:49.000 This is something I don't understand.

00:07:51.000 Why has this not been done or why is this not being seriously considered?

00:07:55.000 Just to say, your funding is up, DOJ.

00:07:58.000 This is completely unconstitutional what's happening here.

00:08:02.000 Is that realistic?

00:08:04.000 I definitely think it's on the table.

00:08:06.000 We're in the middle of going through, they call it CJS.

00:08:09.000 That's actually the appropriations bill that covers the Department of Justice, FBI, and many other agencies.

00:08:15.000 And so we're going through that right now.

00:08:17.000 There are many members like myself who not only want to start looking at the special counsel section of the Department of Justice, but some of the other sections of the Department of Justice, pulling back a lot of that money, and then also requiring transparency.

00:08:30.000 Like, who are they hiring over there?

00:08:31.000 How much are they paying for lawyers over there? 1.00

00:08:34.000 Because if you have this situation where you have a rogue prosecutor who's spending millions and millions and millions of dollars, frankly, upsetting the very fabric of our republic, Congress should not be funding that.

00:08:46.000 And so we're going to, the spending fight is about to occur, Charlie, because the government runs out of money on September 30.

00:08:53.000 House Republicans are going to have major input on how government spending is going to go through the next calendar year.

00:09:00.000 And so we should use this opportunity to hold these agencies accountable.

00:09:03.000 And let me say this for the knuckleheads out there in Twitterverse.

00:09:08.000 We want to fund the appropriate aspects of government.

00:09:11.000 The rank and file at the DOJ, at the FBI, at the IRS, we want to make sure they have the money necessary to do their jobs as under federal law.

00:09:21.000 What we don't want are these radical people at the appointee level, these political holdovers who are dug in and who are making your agencies and making our institutions look terrible and look like a third world banana republic.

00:09:36.000 We should not be funding that.

00:09:37.000 We shouldn't be funding it.

00:09:38.000 And if we can't agree on that, then that is incredibly disappointing.

00:09:42.000 I mean, just think about it.

00:09:44.000 Do you think if Pelosi was speaker, if Pelosi was speaker and there was a special counsel that would have found and had some sort of conviction towards Obama or Biden, they would have defunded it immediately.

00:09:56.000 Congressman Byron Donalds, you're doing a great job.

00:09:58.000 Donald's 2024.

00:09:59.000 I'm just saying, a lot of people are saying it.

00:10:01.000 Just smile and say, Charlie, you get me in trouble.

00:10:04.000 You're welcome back anytime.

00:10:05.000 Byron Donalds, great American.

00:10:06.000 Thank you.

00:10:08.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:10:09.000 See you.

00:10:10.000 I want the audience to tell me, who do you think Donald Trump should have as his vice president?

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00:10:22.000 I think that would be great.

00:10:24.000 I'm open to other options.

00:10:26.000 Ron Johnson would be a good one, too.

00:10:28.000 I've been pushing Ron Johnson a lot.

00:10:29.000 Who do you think Donald Trump should select as vice president?

00:10:32.000 I'm curious.

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00:11:19.000 There's a piece I want to talk about, New York Times opinion piece.

00:11:23.000 It's not usually something that gets a lot of attention here.

00:11:27.000 I was reading it late last night.

00:11:28.000 I was like, wow, this is very interesting.

00:11:30.000 It's pretty good.

00:11:31.000 And it basically focuses and emphasizes and asks the question, what if we are the bad guys?

00:11:37.000 What if we're the ones that are actually on the wrong side of history?

00:11:42.000 It's by David Brooks.

00:11:43.000 And he's not my favorite.

00:11:47.000 Now, they changed the title, actually, on the New YorkTimes.com because it was too blunt.

00:11:52.000 They changed it to On Anti-Trumpers and Modern Meritocracy.

00:11:56.000 They changed the title.

00:11:58.000 It's just a little bit too honest.

00:12:02.000 So David Brooks kind of meanders in this piece a little bit.

00:12:05.000 But the original title says, What if we are the bad guys?

00:12:08.000 What if we're the ones that are actually overzealously acting?

00:12:13.000 And there's a paragraph in this article that's just so extraordinary.

00:12:16.000 But there's part of it that's really smart, actually.

00:12:18.000 I don't know.

00:12:19.000 I don't know how much he believes in this.

00:12:22.000 But he talks about how social classes in America are driving almost everything and how the Trump phenomenon is a rebellion against the elites.

00:12:30.000 Elites that have different rules for themselves versus you, the everyday, the ordinary, the American worker.

00:12:39.000 One of the most fascinating parts of the article is something I have highlighted before, which is the issue of single motherhood.

00:12:47.000 And if you mention single parenting or single motherhood on colleges, professors will call you racist.

00:12:54.000 They say you can't do that.

00:12:57.000 But it's amazing because the actual members of elite society are adherents to this idea that you should not have kids out of wedlock.

00:13:06.000 And so the members of elite society are actually far more socially conservative than their values, than what they talk about.

00:13:17.000 Their private values are inconsistent with their publicly held beliefs.

00:13:23.000 David Brooks writes in this article, armed with all kinds of economic, cultural, and political power, we support policies, we being the elites, that help ourselves.

00:13:32.000 Free trade makes the products we buy cheaper, and our jobs are unlikely to be moved to China.

00:13:39.000 Open immigration makes our service staff cheaper, but new, less educated immigrants aren't likely to put downward pressure on our wages. 0.64

00:13:47.000 Obviously, neoliberalism is really good if you're hyper-educated, an Ivy League graduate, or part of the American ruling class. 0.78

00:13:58.000 It is a set of policy proposals that help the rich, that help the powerful. 0.93

00:14:05.000 Donald Trump presented a different path, saying that the elites are corrupt, the elites are in bed literally with Jeffrey Epstein and underage girls, that the elites are selling out the soul of America, that the elites are doing deals with the Chinese Communist Party, that the elites are actually not that smart, they're definitely not wise, they're craven.

00:14:26.000 He talks in the article, this just makes it nauseous, David Brooks says, does this mean that I think the people in my class are vicious and evil?

00:14:33.000 No, most of us are earnest, kind, and public-spirited.

00:14:38.000 This is one of the most important parts of the article.

00:14:41.000 It's irrelevant if they think they are doing good.

00:14:46.000 The intention means nothing.

00:14:49.000 Adolf Hitler thought he was doing good. 0.81

00:14:52.000 Are you actually doing good? 0.95

00:14:55.000 Is the act itself good? 0.77

00:14:59.000 And honestly, before I get some sort of lecture from David Brooks on how public-spirited the elites are, the American elites, which I have so much contempt for the American elite class, they're snob, they're snobs, they're smug.

00:15:14.000 They operate in what could be best described as a self-created secret society, where if you do not know the special code or the handshake, you are not allowed into the club.

00:15:26.000 You have to go to the right schools, say the right things, donate to the right causes, be obedient to the hierarchy, and then you're allowed into the club.

00:15:36.000 I find that to be repulsive.

00:15:40.000 But once you're in the club, they will protect you.

00:15:42.000 James Comey, Anthony Fauci, Peter Strzok.

00:15:47.000 Once you're in the club, you're a select member of the American ruling class.

00:15:55.000 What Donald Trump represents, and this is just so in this article, this guy, David Brooks, writes, are Trump supporters right that the indictments are a political witch hunt?

00:16:05.000 Of course not.

00:16:07.000 As a card-carrying member of my class, I still basically trust the legal system and the neutral arbiters of justice. 0.98

00:16:14.000 Trump is a monster in the way we've all been saying for years and deserves to go to prison. 0.83

00:16:17.000 There's a chance he's being sarcastic here, but I don't think so. 0.99

00:16:22.000 Card-carrying members of the American ruling class, they hate Trump because he's given a voice to you, and there's finally a rebellion against their treachery, misdeeds, and criminality against you. 0.71

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00:17:40.000 I had a gathering recently with a group of grassroots patriots, and we were anticipating a certain amount of people, a handful of people.

00:17:48.000 And like usually it's 10 or 15 people.

00:17:50.000 We meet locally in Arizona, have a conversation.

00:17:53.000 We had over 75 or 80 people show up.

00:17:56.000 The number one thing people were asking is, Charlie, how do we help Trump?

00:17:59.000 How do we help Trump?

00:18:02.000 Some of these people were pastors, by the way, running churches.

00:18:04.000 How do we ballot chase?

00:18:06.000 How do we legally collect ballots if we can?

00:18:08.000 And I told them in Arizona, you got to be, you know, follow the law 100%.

00:18:11.000 Democrats break the law.

00:18:12.000 We're going to follow the law 100%.

00:18:14.000 And that the intensity of people had, and the fear that I keep hearing is, well, Donald Trump can't win.

00:18:19.000 Donald Trump can't win.

00:18:20.000 Donald Trump can't win.

00:18:21.000 That is a lie.

00:18:24.000 Will Donald Trump win?

00:18:25.000 I have no idea.

00:18:26.000 Are the odds stacked against him?

00:18:28.000 Will all the intel agencies, color revolution, culture revolution be deployed? 0.80

00:18:28.000 Yes. 0.80

00:18:32.000 Yes.

00:18:34.000 However, there is a path.

00:18:37.000 I'm actually grabbing this right now.

00:18:39.000 As Donald Trump is about to arrive to get arraigned in federal courthouse, let's talk about this.

00:18:43.000 Let's slow this down and remind you what is the path.

00:18:46.000 He's going to be the nominee.

00:18:48.000 All this primary stuff, it's a distraction.

00:18:50.000 It's entertaining.

00:18:51.000 $1.5 billion.

00:18:51.000 It's a waste of time.

00:18:53.000 You might as well vaporize it. 0.86

00:18:53.000 Poof. 0.86

00:18:55.000 We could, if we were a serious political party, we could say, wow, Donald Trump is former president.

00:18:59.000 He didn't get a fair shake in 2020.

00:19:00.000 He's up 45, 50 points.

00:19:02.000 The polls.

00:19:03.000 Primary, waste of time.

00:19:04.000 Okay, Chris Christie, you could stay in the race.

00:19:06.000 You can get two votes.

00:19:06.000 Donald Trump will get 90%.

00:19:08.000 Let's go to the general.

00:19:09.000 He has earned the rights to run again.

00:19:11.000 Everyone's there had their chance this summer.

00:19:13.000 Are you getting traction?

00:19:14.000 By the way, this is what drives me nuts.

00:19:16.000 You know, the DeSantis people, oh, there hasn't been a vote cast.

00:19:18.000 No, you know what the real vote is?

00:19:19.000 Small dollar donations.

00:19:21.000 If you're getting, if Ron DeSantis had hundreds of thousands of small dollar donors, I would totally understand the argument.

00:19:27.000 If you cannot raise small dollar donations, that is the number one indicator of future votes, future caucus attendance, future primary viability.

00:19:35.000 Bernie Sanders showed us that.

00:19:37.000 Donald Trump has showed us that.

00:19:38.000 Barack Obama showed us that back in 2007, 2008.

00:19:42.000 And so, excuse me while I say, Ron DeSantis, you can't raise with hundreds of thousands of small dollar donors at this point.

00:19:50.000 You're not showing me viability.

00:19:52.000 Okay?

00:19:53.000 It doesn't matter if you have $130 million in your super PAC.

00:19:56.000 It does not matter.

00:19:57.000 Jeb Bush had $100 million in a super PAC.

00:19:59.000 He finished fourth in South Carolina and became a laughingstock and basically destroyed his political career.

00:20:03.000 I do not want to see that happen to Ron DeSantis.

00:20:05.000 I don't.

00:20:06.000 Okay.

00:20:07.000 So Donald Trump's going to be the nominee.

00:20:09.000 The primary should be over.

00:20:10.000 Can he win?

00:20:12.000 Here's some good news.

00:20:14.000 That dealing with grassroots folks, not the RNC, waste of time, actual grassroots people, they're asking the right questions.

00:20:20.000 Charlie, how do we engage in the early voting period?

00:20:23.000 How do we win?

00:20:24.000 And I'm telling you, there is a chance, and I'm not trying to get anybody's hopes up.

00:20:29.000 There is a chance that these indictments have triggered a quiet, very hard-to-detect, almost subterranean raising of the activism level of the conservative movement.

00:20:43.000 There's a chance.

00:20:44.000 I'm seeing it.

00:20:45.000 I'm seeing evidence of it.

00:20:46.000 I'm pretty in touch with the grassroots.

00:20:48.000 I travel the country.

00:20:49.000 I talk to people.

00:20:50.000 There is a chance that these indictments are making people want to work harder than ever before, do the work, put aside, you know, football games, summers at the lake, or whatever to go do the work.

00:21:01.000 There's a chance that this injustice that we see in real time, as you can see, that D.C. federal courthouse, the American government versus you.

00:21:08.000 That's what this is.

00:21:09.000 It's the American government versus the First Amendment, American government versus you.

00:21:12.000 Okay, so the low IQ talking point, I'll be very honest, is Donald Trump can't win.

00:21:19.000 Does Donald Trump have a tough battle?

00:21:21.000 Yes.

00:21:22.000 The very same verbiage is used what happened in 2016.

00:21:28.000 Oh, Donald Trump can't win.

00:21:30.000 You've got to escape that kind of mentality, okay?

00:21:33.000 If you believe he can't win, then you'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:21:37.000 I will acknowledge it's going to be tough.

00:21:39.000 The odds are stacked against us.

00:21:42.000 Someone asked me, Charlie, what are the odds?

00:21:45.000 I refuse, I'm not Caesar's palace, okay?

00:21:48.000 I don't do the game.

00:21:49.000 I'm not the, I don't have the betting odds.

00:21:52.000 The odds are in the favor.

00:21:53.000 People might say, why are the odds stacked against us?

00:21:56.000 You might ask that.

00:21:57.000 Even though the economy is terrible, border wide open, country in collapse, we're chemically cash rating kids, because the Democrats are a serious political party and the Republicans are a joke. 0.98

00:22:05.000 The Republicans a clown car. 0.97

00:22:07.000 RNC, Republican establishment, clown car. 0.98

00:22:10.000 They're all paying each other off. 0.98

00:22:12.000 It's a disaster.

00:22:13.000 We do not have full-time ballot chasing organizers on the right.

00:22:16.000 We do not have an effort to secure our elections.

00:22:19.000 We do not have a lawfare strategy.

00:22:20.000 The Democrats are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on the boring stuff that's going to make a difference.

00:22:26.000 Why are the odds stacked against us?

00:22:28.000 The Democrats have billionaires and plutocrats to come in and fund whatever they want in an unlimited fashion.

00:22:33.000 Why are the odds stacked against us?

00:22:34.000 The intel agencies are against us.

00:22:37.000 Why are the odds stacked against us?

00:22:40.000 Because there will be another attempt at a George Floyd moment in 2024, whether it be Drag Floyd, whether it be Climate Change Floyd, I don't know what it is, but there's going to be an attempted color revolution again in 2024 in an election year to try and ignite some form of grassroots, quote-unquote, synthetic energy to then just go for the election and they disappear.

00:23:04.000 Color revolution style, same way that we put Zelensky in office in Ukraine.

00:23:08.000 They're going to try it here.

00:23:09.000 The Intel agencies will do it.

00:23:11.000 And they're going to try to scare the electorate from electing another divisive candidate.

00:23:16.000 But Trump can still overcome all of that.

00:23:19.000 Politico.com.

00:23:22.000 We've been warning about this.

00:23:24.000 We've been telling, not warning, we've actually been telling you this is coming.

00:23:28.000 This right here could be the game change.

00:23:31.000 And the smart, the Democrats are so smart that Republicans are corrupt, not deep thinkers.

00:23:37.000 They're like, oh, you know, the future is Tim Scott.

00:23:38.000 Tim Scott's a really decent guy.

00:23:40.000 Okay?

00:23:41.000 Sweet person.

00:23:42.000 I'd put him on my church elder board.

00:23:43.000 I mean that.

00:23:44.000 Tim Scott, church elder board.

00:23:45.000 I trust you, you know, not to steal a penny and be ethical.

00:23:49.000 Tim Scott should not be running for the presidency right now.

00:23:52.000 We need a warrior.

00:23:52.000 Okay?

00:23:53.000 Enough of this.

00:23:54.000 Okay, you guys have had your chance.

00:23:55.000 They're about to indict Donald Trump in front of a federal courthouse, and I have to hear Tim Scott keep telling me that it's morning in America.

00:24:01.000 Literally, someone sent me a clip.

00:24:02.000 He just gave a speech in Orton County.

00:24:04.000 You know, it's morning in America.

00:24:05.000 Our best days are ahead of us.

00:24:06.000 Time.

00:24:06.000 Enough.

00:24:07.000 Like, it's not 1984.

00:24:08.000 Like, I can't handle this anymore.

00:24:09.000 Okay.

00:24:10.000 Like, this, you got to get out of the muscle memory of just like pre-scripted consultant happy talk.

00:24:14.000 We're in a middle of an existential crisis against the Republic.

00:24:19.000 Biden world moves to stave off Cornell West and no labels threat.

00:24:24.000 Boom.

00:24:25.000 Politico, a little behind the curve.

00:24:26.000 We've been saying this for weeks.

00:24:27.000 I'm telling you, this could be the whole ballgame.

00:24:34.000 Because Joe Biden can't speak in sentences, because the Democrat Party has an unholy alliance that they're barely keeping together.

00:24:42.000 It is a marriage of misfits, it's a team of rivals of corporate America and SJW pro-trans open-border zealots like AOC, Rashida Tlaib, like actual ideological Marxists.

00:24:54.000 This coalition is going to break apart at some point.

00:24:56.000 We have predicted this.

00:24:58.000 There has been an unholy marriage because of the hatred of Donald Trump and the threat that he poses to the American Democrat Party, where you have Bolsheviks and Goldman Sachs bankers together in the same political party.

00:25:10.000 It's bizarre and it's unsustainable.

00:25:14.000 Make no mistake, the progressive wing of the left hates Biden, and the centrist Manchin wing hates him too.

00:25:20.000 So there are two simultaneous forces that might manifest.

00:25:24.000 And I'm telling you, it could just spell doom for Joe Biden.

00:25:29.000 And they're two separate flavors on the buffet line of political choices.

00:25:34.000 They're totally distinct.

00:25:36.000 Number one is this no labels thing.

00:25:38.000 This no labels thing looks legit.

00:25:40.000 It's a lot of disaffected Republican donors.

00:25:42.000 I know some of them.

00:25:43.000 They don't support us anymore at turning point.

00:25:45.000 Nice people.

00:25:46.000 They just see the world differently, much more from a Chamber of Commerce view.

00:25:49.000 But they do not like Joe Biden.

00:25:51.000 To their credit, they don't like Joe Biden.

00:25:52.000 So they say, you know what?

00:25:53.000 We're going to draft this new political party in the tradition of like John Huntsman and of Mitt Romney and Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema, where we're going to be solution-based.

00:26:02.000 We're going to call it no labels, pump a bunch of money into it, and they'll run as third-party candidates in the states. 0.94

00:26:06.000 Okay.

00:26:08.000 And that can break apart the Democrats' marginal difference of getting votes because Democrats have been able to win states like Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia by winning over suburban voters, by pummeling them with advertising, winning them over on center-right messaging, but saying that the Republicans are too radical, too divisive.

00:26:27.000 A no-labels campaign would win over a lot of votes in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia.

00:26:32.000 No guarantee.

00:26:33.000 It could hurt Republicans.

00:26:34.000 I almost, I'll be, I'll take that bet.

00:26:37.000 Okay, I will take that bet that no labels will hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

00:26:41.000 But then you have a simultaneously, completely different, asymmetrical threat.

00:26:46.000 And people forget in the 2016 election, one of the reasons why Donald Trump won is because Jill Stein was on the ballot as a Green Party candidate.

00:26:54.000 Now, why was the Green Party unsuccessful to get on the ballot in 2020?

00:26:58.000 Two major reasons.

00:26:59.000 Number one was a lawfare operation by the American Democrat Party that sued to keep them off the ballot.

00:27:05.000 Number two, though, was COVID.

00:27:07.000 It was really hard to collect signatures.

00:27:11.000 Lockdowns, hard to get organizers, hard to get people to sign up.

00:27:14.000 COVID was this, it was very hard for these grassrootsy, scrappy, Marxist third-party candidates and campaigns to be able to get on the ballot.

00:27:26.000 So the Democrats sued and they kept the Green Party off the ballot in Georgia.

00:27:30.000 They kept the Green Party off the ballot in Wisconsin.

00:27:32.000 They kept the Green Party off the ballot in Pennsylvania.

00:27:34.000 And they kept the Green Party off the ballot in Arizona.

00:27:37.000 Well, now there is this smooth-talking black nationalist Marxist social justice warrior professor who speaks like a southern preacher with a lot of eloquence, who I've been following for years.

00:27:49.000 And you kind of know him if you're in kind of the, you know, if you follow some of the internet circles of kind of black Marxism is Cornell West.

00:27:57.000 Cornell West, I'm telling you, if he gets on the ballot, Green Party or like Black Nationalist Party or Black Marxist Party, he can peel off 2% to 3% of the black vote in Atlanta, 2% to 3% of the black vote in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

00:28:14.000 And now you're talking that with pair to no labels, you have a ballgame. 0.72

00:28:19.000 Even without those things, you still have a ballgame because here's an almost guarantee.

00:28:24.000 Cornell West is not going to steal a single Trump voter.

00:28:27.000 No labels is going to steal very few Trump voters.

00:28:30.000 Trump's base is considered to be his greatest liability.

00:28:34.000 Oh, he can't expand it out of his base.

00:28:36.000 But when you have four candidates, it might be his greatest asset.

00:28:40.000 What I'm getting at is we have no idea what this election is going to look like.

00:28:44.000 We just got to do the work.

00:28:45.000 We've got to do the work.

00:28:46.000 I believe this will be one of the most unpredictable, chaotic, confusing elections in history.

00:28:52.000 We are in uncharted territory ever.

00:28:53.000 We're indicting former presidents.

00:28:55.000 We've got a senile guy that can't even speak in sentences who's a traitor to the United States. 0.97

00:28:59.000 We've got a black preacher, professor type from Princeton University running on third-party candidates. 0.96

00:29:04.000 We've got a bunch of donors that want to launch no labels.

00:29:07.000 This is an election where if anybody tells you they know what is going to happen, they are lying to you.

00:29:13.000 The same way they lied about COVID, the same way.

00:29:16.000 Nobody knows.

00:29:17.000 I don't know.

00:29:17.000 Here's what I do know.

00:29:18.000 We're going to get to work.

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00:30:25.000 Biden world moves the stave off Cornell West and no labels threat.

00:30:29.000 Inside the party, there is bubbling concern of a repeat of what happened seven years ago when Green Party candidate Jill Stein drew more votes in three critical battleground states than the amount by which Donald Trump beat Hillary in those places.

00:30:38.000 Operatives are determined to not let it happen.

00:30:40.000 So the Democracy Party, the party that lectures us about our democracy every single day, our democracy, our democracy, our democracy, even though we're a republic, are determined to make sure that people do not have choices.

00:30:57.000 Cornell West, the prominent academic and civil rights leader with ties to Bernie Sanders, has already launched a bid on the Green Party ticket.

00:31:03.000 As Biden looks to fend off that threat, Joe Manchin has floored it with the presidential run with the group no labels that Democrats fear could deprive Biden of moderate votes.

00:31:11.000 I mean, boy, if we had our act together, we should do everything we possibly can to get these people on the ballot.

00:31:16.000 Let's just get them on the ballot.

00:31:18.000 Get them on the ballot.

00:31:19.000 More choices, democracy, power to the people.

00:31:22.000 Isn't this what they're always lecturing us?

00:31:24.000 They don't want democracy or choices.

00:31:26.000 They want power and control.

00:31:28.000 The third parties can take away enough votes to make Donald Trump win, Selinda Lake, upholster for Biden, said.

00:31:35.000 Not only do you have no labels, but you have Cornell West, which I think is very formidable also in the black community.

00:31:40.000 We've been saying this.

00:31:42.000 The Democrats, I got to give them credit.

00:31:44.000 They're clever and they're smart. 1.00

00:31:45.000 Just so you know, Republicans are so stupid. 1.00

00:31:48.000 I have not talked to a single Republican consultant that is even thinking about this. 1.00

00:31:51.000 You know what I'm thinking about?

00:31:52.000 They're thinking about, oh, what candidate in the primary can we make money off of?

00:31:56.000 There's no strategic thinking.

00:31:58.000 There's no war room.

00:32:00.000 I mean, outside of Bannon's wonderful program, it's just they're kind of just like, oh, what's going to happen?

00:32:04.000 I hope we win.

00:32:06.000 The Democrats are involved in Republican primaries.

00:32:08.000 You know that, right?

00:32:09.000 They spend money in Republican primaries proudly.

00:32:11.000 Maybe it's time for Republicans to go raise a bunch of money.

00:32:15.000 We go to a bunch of our donors and say, let's get the Green Party on the ballot.

00:32:17.000 Cornell West, we are behind you, man.

00:32:19.000 Power to the people.

00:32:20.000 Democracy is the only option.

00:32:23.000 They're going to be suing actively.

00:32:25.000 The Democrat Party, the party of democracy, is going to be suing to make sure that you don't have options in the key states.

00:32:33.000 We have to limit your options because that's democracy. 0.96

00:32:37.000 Young people, disaffected people who are willing to vote against Trump, anybody but Trump to beat Trump, are now looking for other options.

00:32:46.000 Yeah, no kidding.

00:32:47.000 Biden World has been monitoring West and no labels.

00:32:52.000 Here's the real question.

00:32:53.000 How long until Cornell West is indicted by the Department of Justice?

00:32:58.000 That's the real question.

00:32:59.000 How long until Cornell West, Jack Smith, says, Cornell West is a conspiracist against the United States?

00:33:08.000 How long?

00:33:09.000 How long until Cornell West is deemed a domestic terrorist conspiracy to defraud the United States?

00:33:18.000 Biden World has been monitoring West and no labels, but those closest to Biden believe that the memory of Stein and the possibility of another Trump presidency will prevent a third-party candidate from drawing much support in 2024.

00:33:31.000 Democrats are fearful, it says.

00:33:34.000 They're going to do everything they possibly can to prevent them from getting on the ballot.

00:33:42.000 You know that Democrats fund libertarians to go on the ballot to take votes away from Republicans.

00:33:48.000 Labor unions do it. 1.00

00:33:49.000 Left-wing organizers do it.

00:33:51.000 Left-wing billionaires do it.

00:33:52.000 The right doesn't play this way.

00:33:53.000 Why?

00:33:54.000 Because we don't want to win.

00:33:56.000 Most people in the conservative movement actually don't want to play to win.

00:34:01.000 They don't.

00:34:02.000 They want to play to lose nobly, like Mike Pence.

00:34:06.000 Mike Pence wants to lose, but get a book deal.

00:34:10.000 I'm a really honorable man.

00:34:11.000 I'm Mike Pence.

00:34:12.000 We've got to play to win.

00:34:14.000 You want to win?

00:34:15.000 You want to win your country?

00:34:18.000 Learn something from the Democrats.

00:34:20.000 Democrats fund libertarians to go on the ballots all across the country because they know that it could splinter Republican votes.

00:34:27.000 They did this in the Georgia Senate race.

00:34:30.000 No Green Party.

00:34:31.000 Republicans don't think that way.

00:34:32.000 No, no, no.

00:34:33.000 We're too busy spending ads.

00:34:35.000 I don't know what we're doing.

00:34:36.000 Spending ads for Tim Scott?

00:34:37.000 Sweet man.

00:34:39.000 Waste of time.

00:34:40.000 But then you also have the other person I haven't mentioned, RFK Jr.

00:34:46.000 Hello?

00:34:47.000 Imagine you have five people on the ballot.

00:34:51.000 RFK Jr., Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Cornell West, Joe Manchin, Mitt Romney, same thing, whatever.

00:35:01.000 Joe Manchin has said, I have not ruled out a third-party bid for the White House.

00:35:07.000 No labels is effective at raising money, according to Politico.com.

00:35:11.000 But many close to Biden say that they take the group and leaders like Manchin at their word that they want to play spoiler for Trump.

00:35:18.000 Or do they?

00:35:21.000 You pair this with another Politico.com article.

00:35:23.000 Barack Obama warns about the political power of Donald Trump.

00:35:27.000 Barack Obama coming out saying that Donald Trump is way more powerful than he realized.

00:35:31.000 John Fetterman, who in a rare moment of clarity woke up out of a coma.

00:35:36.000 John Fetterman comes out and says, I see more Trump signs than ever before in Pennsylvania.

00:35:40.000 John Fetterman.

00:35:42.000 John Fetterman comes out and says, this is Trump country in Pennsylvania.

00:35:47.000 If you or somebody you know tells you that they guarantee Trump can lose, they're misleading and lying to you.

00:35:55.000 CNN just wrote an article that Donald Trump can win.

00:35:59.000 New York Times, Sienna Poll has them tied.

00:36:00.000 Has anyone ever been able to figure out how to pull a five-person race?

00:36:04.000 Good luck.

00:36:05.000 Here's what I know.

00:36:06.000 Donald Trump's base is stronger than ever because of these indictments.

00:36:08.000 People will consolidate around him.

00:36:10.000 And in a multi-person race, we might just have the edge.

00:36:14.000 Get to work.

00:36:15.000 Chase ballots.

00:36:16.000 Secure our elections.

00:36:17.000 File the proper lawsuits.

00:36:18.000 Stop supporting the Republican establishment.

00:36:20.000 Pray and fast for our nation.

00:36:22.000 We might just have a fighting shot.

00:36:23.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:25.000 Email us your thoughts.

00:36:26.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:28.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:36:34.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 03, 2023

The Left Wonders: What if They're the Bad Guys? with Rep. Byron Donalds

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