The Charlie Kirk Show - The Left’s Three Steps to Taking Over Society — My Interview with MSCS

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00:00:42.000 This is a long-form interview.

00:00:43.000 It happened last month.

00:00:44.000 So this was right before, I believe, the indictment of Donald Trump.

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00:00:59.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:01:03.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:01:07.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:11.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:12.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:20.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:29.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:33.000 We got Charlie Kirk in, founder of Turning Point, the Charlie Kirk show.

00:01:33.000 All right.

00:01:37.000 You've done amazing things.

00:01:38.000 I mean, by 28, you're on Fox News business.

00:01:42.000 I mean, everything that could be.

00:01:44.000 Honored to be here.

00:01:44.000 Thank you for your time.

00:01:45.000 Thank you.

00:01:46.000 I'm from Chicago, too.

00:01:47.000 That's right.

00:01:48.000 My friend, he's from Chicago as well, and he can't even take his son to the, like, his son likes to watch the trains go by.

00:01:54.000 And he said he goes down there, and it's a very dangerous situation.

00:01:58.000 It's not the place I grew up in.

00:01:58.000 He's got to move.

00:02:00.000 I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, but still a great attachment to the city, and it's completely changed.

00:02:05.000 So obviously, I got to ask you about this early, this Trump indictment thing.

00:02:09.000 Now, even if you're blue as can be or purple or green, you have piles and piles of things with Biden, Biden's kid, and you're going after Trump with Stormy Daniels.

00:02:09.000 Yeah.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, I mean, it's an unbelievably weak case, and we have yet to see kind of how it's going to play out.

00:02:25.000 You know, as of we're talking right now, Trump is set to be arraigned in the next couple hours.

00:02:30.000 So we're still talking a little, you know, speculatively.

00:02:32.000 But no, this is an absolute outrage to the Constitution, to precedent.

00:02:36.000 And the true crime that Donald Trump committed was winning the 2016 election.

00:02:41.000 They had a party and a celebration planned at the Kravitz Center right there in New York, and he robbed them of that night.

00:02:48.000 And, you know, there's a lot of psychological literature I think that could be instructive here because when you go through a traumatic event, it then defines you.

00:02:55.000 And if you don't go through the healing process of a traumatic event, you can end up a very broken and bitter person seeking revenge at all times.

00:03:03.000 And we've probably been around people like that a lot.

00:03:06.000 There's kind of an archetype of kind of the scorned woman. 1.00

00:03:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:11.000 That's the entire Democrat Party in New York right now. 1.00

00:03:14.000 The scorned woman who was robbed of the kind of seamless end of America that was supposed to be planned. 0.99

00:03:22.000 Remember, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett, those people are not supposed to be on the Supreme Court.

00:03:30.000 Trump was not supposed to broker Mitty's piece.

00:03:33.000 He was not supposed to be able to have a middle-class blue-collar boom.

00:03:37.000 So the fact that he robbed them of that evening is a traumatic defining event that leads directly to this indictment.

00:03:45.000 Those two things are directly related.

00:03:46.000 They might be seven years apart.

00:03:48.000 But that night when Hillary Clinton was humiliated and the entire Democrat machine was humiliated, they basically swore a blood oath.

00:03:57.000 Didn't they have fireworks ready to go off?

00:03:59.000 Fireworks.

00:04:00.000 They had this glass ceiling that was going to break.

00:04:03.000 I don't think we understand how humiliating that was.

00:04:06.000 And by the way, we played into it for good reason.

00:04:09.000 The memes, the videos, I mean, we didn't just stick the knife in.

00:04:12.000 We just and it was one of the great delights ever in American politics, right? 0.99

00:04:17.000 Here you have this unbelievably craven, corrupt woman who should not be president, who's married to someone who's close with Epstein and has done other really nasty and awful bimbo squad, all that stuff, right? 1.00

00:04:31.000 Yeah, everyone commits suicide in their orbit. 1.00

00:04:34.000 And she was supposed to be president, and they did not take Trump seriously at all.

00:04:39.000 She didn't campaign, and it happened like that.

00:04:42.000 And so this indictment, I think, hinges on the lack of healing of a very broken people from a traumatic event in 2016.

00:04:50.000 There's other elements too, obviously.

00:04:51.000 But I don't think we should forget that.

00:04:53.000 That makes a lot of sense with the trauma.

00:04:56.000 I can put that together.

00:04:57.000 I see how that we call it PTSD, which is kind of the catch-all term.

00:05:02.000 I'm not a psychologist.

00:05:03.000 You'd have to ask Jordan Peterson like that.

00:05:05.000 But just a general catch-all term of a traumatic event.

00:05:08.000 We all know people who define their life based on a couple traumatic events.

00:05:12.000 And that is the New York Democrat Party.

00:05:14.000 And then, furthermore, you go and you look at Biden and he gets 80 million more votes than any other president.

00:05:19.000 Well, not 80 million more, but 80 million votes.

00:05:21.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 I just don't believe it.

00:05:23.000 No, but nobody in the right place.

00:05:23.000 Right.

00:05:24.000 No, no, no one does.

00:05:25.000 But this time they didn't, they didn't, they made sure this time.

00:05:28.000 That's correct.

00:05:28.000 Yeah.

00:05:29.000 And they had to pull out every stop, right?

00:05:31.000 They had to do all this nonsense in 2020.

00:05:35.000 I think they're equally afraid they can't do that again in 24. 0.60

00:05:39.000 I think they believe they can cheat and steal and harvest ballots and do all this nonsense.

00:05:43.000 But 20 was a very unique kind of thing: we're going to go all in.

00:05:47.000 We're going to use every favor.

00:05:49.000 We're going to use every type of blackmail.

00:05:51.000 We're going to go to Zuckerberg and $400 million and Center for Technology and Civic Life and all this different stuff.

00:05:58.000 I think the consciousness of the American people has been raised since 2020.

00:06:02.000 At least that's my great hope.

00:06:04.000 There's plenty of counter arguments to that.

00:06:06.000 And I think they're trying to take the player off the chessboard before votes are ever counted and/or administered.

00:06:12.000 Now, obviously, he's going to take it to trial.

00:06:14.000 Let's say he wins, which I think he should win, but of course it's in New York.

00:06:18.000 They have so much money and so much power.

00:06:21.000 And then even when it goes to 2024, and but you know, he runs blah, blah, blah, even if he wins fair by the numbers, how is it going to be fair?

00:06:32.000 They have so much money, so much power.

00:06:34.000 It won't be fair.

00:06:35.000 And so, but despite that, it goes to show they're still worried that there's a sliver of a chance that Donald Trump could become president again.

00:06:43.000 And so here's the operating hypothesis that I have: the presidency comes down to three states.

00:06:48.000 So every 10 years, you reorganize the census.

00:06:51.000 And because of that, the electoral map can change a little bit.

00:06:54.000 Math can change a little bit.

00:06:55.000 For example, Florida gains electoral votes, Texas, California, New York, New York decrease.

00:07:00.000 So the map is actually a little bit different than it was in 2020.

00:07:04.000 So you no longer need to kind of win the 271 plus a seat in Omaha, Nebraska, Or Maine, you can get to 270 electoral votes as a Republican by winning all the regular Republican states, plus Florida, which whoever the nominee is will win, plus Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa.

00:07:22.000 So those four, I think, are pretty solid.

00:07:24.000 And then all you have to do, and it's not all, but is win Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona.

00:07:29.000 Those three states can and should go for the Republican nominee in 2024.

00:07:35.000 So they're very worried, and they should be.

00:07:37.000 And they're going to cheat.

00:07:40.000 That is a guarantee.

00:07:43.000 But if we have a banking collapse or a currency collapse, and if Republicans get smart about legal ballot chasing and I think ethical early voting, which we can talk about, I think that there's some room for improvement there, especially my home state of Arizona, where Carrie Lake should be governor, and they completely railroaded her and obliterated her campaign through a sabotage campaign from the Maricopa County Recorder's Office, amongst other things.

00:08:09.000 What's happening in New York at the indictment of Trump is, yes, scorned trauma, but also pure 2024 politics.

00:08:16.000 That they want to try to reduce any sort of probability that this man might become president.

00:08:22.000 And they'll do anything.

00:08:24.000 And these are the defenders of democracy.

00:08:25.000 Sorry, I have terrible allergies.

00:08:27.000 No, that's okay.

00:08:28.000 We did this long rescue thing.

00:08:29.000 No, it's all good.

00:08:30.000 It's a good weekend, and that's why my throat is not a problem.

00:08:31.000 No, it's all good.

00:08:33.000 I'm not fighting a cult.

00:08:34.000 Me too.

00:08:35.000 Yeah, good.

00:08:35.000 I would let you know.

00:08:37.000 So, okay, so we got now what we always try to figure out: when can't he run?

00:08:43.000 Because we looked it up a hundred times.

00:08:45.000 Even if he's in jail, he can run technically.

00:08:47.000 Yes.

00:08:47.000 So the only question which is completely speculation, well, no, that's not true.

00:08:53.000 If he's indicted by the Department of Justice on a federal felony and he gets convicted by a jury, he cannot run.

00:09:02.000 So that's a separate issue, a federal crime.

00:09:02.000 Really?

00:09:05.000 But this is now a state crime in New York.

00:09:08.000 Now, even the DOJ one would be appealed up to the Supreme Court because it'd be the first time ever, right?

00:09:13.000 But that's why the Jack Smith, January 6th kind of wrinkle matters.

00:09:18.000 What they're going to try to do, and they attempted to do this in California.

00:09:23.000 This is the blueprint, Mark Elias and all these very evil people.

00:09:27.000 Remember when California passed a law that said you must disclose your tax returns in order to get on the ballot?

00:09:33.000 So they're going to try to say if you are an indicted felon, you're not allowed to be on the primary ballot.

00:09:40.000 The Democrats are going to try to do that.

00:09:41.000 It'll probably fail in court.

00:09:43.000 Now, you might say, well, who cares?

00:09:44.000 Well, Trump would actually probably win the California primary, and you need to.

00:09:47.000 Even the blue states matter in primary elections.

00:09:51.000 And so the actual general election, they cannot prevent Donald Trump from being on the ballot.

00:09:57.000 Because the Constitution dictates very clearly what the criteria is to become president of the United States.

00:09:57.000 Why?

00:10:04.000 35, natural-born U.S. citizen, right?

00:10:07.000 Now, the federal crime and the felony thing, they're running out of time on that where just a regular federal trial with someone that has money, they can string it out for a couple of years.

00:10:17.000 Easily.

00:10:18.000 So they're running out of time.

00:10:18.000 Right?

00:10:19.000 That's why Alvin Bragg had to force his hand.

00:10:22.000 None of these things operate in its own little funnel, right?

00:10:27.000 It's all in harmony.

00:10:29.000 I don't know who the conductor of the orchestra is.

00:10:31.000 I have my own speculation.

00:10:33.000 Obama, Jarrett, Soros, all these people, but there is a conductor behind this.

00:10:39.000 And so Alvin Bragg, who kind of fires the first shot, it was done so intentionally, in my personal opinion, to start a legal strategy, a lawfare strategy to obliterate the political chances of Donald Trump into 2024.

00:10:55.000 He could run from jail.

00:10:55.000 So yes, you're right.

00:10:57.000 He could run under indictment on state crimes.

00:10:59.000 The federal crime is the big question. 0.98

00:11:01.000 And so Georgia is the other one that they're going to try to go after him, which is one of the most, these cases are such garbage. 1.00

00:11:07.000 They're garbage. 0.99

00:11:08.000 Not only are they, you know, one of these silly people on TV says, well, show me the man, I'll show you the crime. 1.00

00:11:13.000 That's not even the case here. 0.93

00:11:14.000 Show me the man, I'm going to make up the crime.

00:11:16.000 This is not a crime.

00:11:18.000 Having someone do a private contractual NDA when you run a business is not just legal, it is routine.

00:11:25.000 You have every rapper, every country singer, you have every businessman, every CEO.

00:11:31.000 Not to mention, Bill Clinton had a whole division of his operation called the Bimbo Squad. 0.99

00:11:36.000 It was the actual working name of it.

00:11:37.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 Where he would go around and basically do hush money payments of NDA with every woman that he had sex with or that he cheated on his wife.

00:11:48.000 That's not really a marriage.

00:11:49.000 It's just a roommate show off.

00:11:49.000 We all know that.

00:11:53.000 Yeah, whatever that is, right?

00:11:55.000 And so, yes, Donald Trump is a major threat to the Unit Party and the regime.

00:12:01.000 And so there's a speculation out there that, well, they want this because they think Trump is easier to beat.

00:12:07.000 That could be true.

00:12:08.000 That might be true.

00:12:10.000 But that's actually not their top concern.

00:12:12.000 Electability is part of it.

00:12:15.000 The biggest concern is that he is the biggest threat if he gets to say, I solemnly swear.

00:12:20.000 If he gets sworn in again, it'll make the first term look like a moderate Republican.

00:12:28.000 And we need it.

00:12:29.000 Oh, yes, we do.

00:12:29.000 And I'll tell you what, I've seen guys that, again, you know, I just want for what's best.

00:12:33.000 And I think that's for anybody that has half a brain.

00:12:37.000 But I've seen the hardest of hardest core Democrats say, ah, I don't know about this time.

00:12:42.000 I've seen like the guy who cut the guy who cuts my hair.

00:12:45.000 He's cutting my hair for nine years.

00:12:47.000 He's from Cuba.

00:12:48.000 Last time it was, you know, ah, Biden, Biden, Trump's too loud.

00:12:51.000 Now he's like, please, Trump, please, we got to get him in.

00:12:55.000 So I've seen a dramatic, dramatic change.

00:12:58.000 And then you have the schools, you know, which thank God you're doing.

00:13:03.000 You pull bottles have, too.

00:13:04.000 That's my life's work.

00:13:05.000 Turning point Academy.

00:13:07.000 You know, tell everybody about that.

00:13:08.000 I mean, this is needed more than anybody.

00:13:10.000 We had Patrick Beck David in.

00:13:12.000 He's fabulous.

00:13:13.000 He's fabulous.

00:13:13.000 What a class act he is.

00:13:15.000 And one thing he had said, and I know you would agree with, if you don't have money, find a way to make money.

00:13:22.000 And make sure that your kid goes to a private school or homeschool because the way you and I went to school is not what it is now.

00:13:22.000 Yes.

00:13:30.000 No, I mean, I didn't go to college.

00:13:32.000 And I encourage people not to.

00:13:33.000 I wrote a whole book on it.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:35.000 I can't wait to talk about that.

00:13:36.000 No, yeah.

00:13:37.000 I agree with you more than anything.

00:13:39.000 Thank you.

00:13:40.000 Well, that's very kind.

00:13:41.000 But yeah, Turning Point USA is our movement.

00:13:43.000 And it's mostly students, but we also have stuff we do in churches and all sorts of stuff.

00:13:48.000 We're the largest organization of its kind in the conservative movement.

00:13:51.000 People can check it out at tpusa.com.

00:13:53.000 We have Turning Point Academy, Turning Point High School, Turning Point College, our big events, which you might see pictures from of thousands and thousands of students that attend.

00:14:01.000 We have one coming up in Palm Beach in July.

00:14:03.000 We'd love to have you attend.

00:14:04.000 Absolutely.

00:14:05.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:14:06.000 So look, our philosophy at Turning Point USA is we believe Western civilization is the greatest project in self-government, specifically America and the American Constitution and the promise of the American founding.

00:14:17.000 We believe we've largely lost our way because we no longer teach our kids what it means to be an American.

00:14:23.000 We want to live in a free society, but at Turning Point USA, we're very aggressive in the way we go about doing it.

00:14:29.000 We're long-term thinkers with hyper-urgent immediate action.

00:14:32.000 And so we have more high school chapters and college chapters.

00:14:36.000 We're about to hit our thousandth high school chapter, which is an amazing accomplishment.

00:14:39.000 Thank you.

00:14:40.000 We have hundreds of people on our full-time staff.

00:14:42.000 I personally visit more college campuses than almost anybody else.

00:14:45.000 Maybe Shapiro might have more than me because he's been doing it.

00:14:48.000 You know, he's 10 years older than I am.

00:14:50.000 But I visited well over 135 and spoke all across the country.

00:14:54.000 I have a really good pulse on what is being taught and not being taught in the next generation.

00:14:59.000 And everybody kind of has their place in the movement where they want to make the biggest impact.

00:15:05.000 My place is to try to make sure that this next generation understands the values we care about of a strong America, of a constitutional republic, of dialogue, of separation of powers, of why do borders matter.

00:15:17.000 And then we get even to more fundamental questions of what is truth.

00:15:20.000 You know, this trans stuff has just is a social contagion destroying the next generation. 1.00

00:15:25.000 So we're kind of on the leading edge of that.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

00:15:28.000 And when you go in and you talk to, because you're doing high schools too.

00:15:31.000 High schools, too, correct.

00:15:32.000 So when you go in and do you try to, you know, get to the curriculum more or like, how do you go about it?

00:15:38.000 I mean, so we have Turning Point Academy, which is, they do a great job, and people can check it out.

00:15:42.000 It's turningpointacademy.com.

00:15:43.000 It's all part of the family of products, not products, product, family of projects we have is the word I'm looking for.

00:15:49.000 You got a lot going on.

00:15:50.000 Yeah, we have a ton of divisions, school board watch list, professor watch list, all these daily shows.

00:15:55.000 Jack Pesobic, Drew Hernandez, Alex Clark.

00:15:58.000 You could see we have some of the biggest names in the conservative movement.

00:16:01.000 Candace Owens with Blexit.

00:16:03.000 Her project is now back part of Turning Point USA and God bless America.

00:16:08.000 God bless Candace Owens for what she's done for America.

00:16:11.000 So yeah, look, what I'll say is this: it's a multi-dimensional fight.

00:16:16.000 The curriculum is part of it, but our biggest focus is on the students themselves.

00:16:20.000 We understand the institutions are not going to be saved easily.

00:16:23.000 And so I'm less focused on trying to save the institution and more focused on trying to save the heart, mind, and soul of your kid and grandkid.

00:16:32.000 When did you notice the whole woke thing, which then turned into the BGLQA, however many letters they have now?

00:16:38.000 If you haven't heard Brandon Mom, you got to have Brandon Tatum.

00:16:41.000 Brandon works with us.

00:16:42.000 He lives with me in Phoenix.

00:16:43.000 Oh, does he?

00:16:44.000 He was awesome.

00:16:44.000 Really?

00:16:45.000 He's one of our favorites.

00:16:46.000 He's a buddy.

00:16:47.000 He's a cool guy.

00:16:48.000 I'm a big Brandon Tatum believer.

00:16:50.000 And when did you see all this craziness happen?

00:16:53.000 And then, of course, they throw in the racism on top of that.

00:16:56.000 And, you know, we're sitting here with Brandon.

00:16:58.000 Brandon's like, I think one time I've actually noticed racism.

00:17:01.000 Yes.

00:17:02.000 And this is from an African-American who played football, who was a cop.

00:17:05.000 Okay.

00:17:06.000 There's no reason to lie or BS.

00:17:09.000 When did you see all the woke, all the racism?

00:17:12.000 And now you have three, four-year-old kids being asked about their sex, possibly getting a sex change.

00:17:19.000 You know, when they're 10, 15, when they're 30 years old, what do you think is going to happen?

00:17:24.000 Yeah, so when I was in high school, I saw a lot of the anti-Americanism stuff.

00:17:27.000 This is about 11 years ago.

00:17:29.000 Yeah, I saw like 1619 Project type elements.

00:17:29.000 You did?

00:17:32.000 It wasn't a thing yet.

00:17:33.000 Definitely socialist type underpinnings.

00:17:36.000 The woke thing is not new, but it has surfaced recently.

00:17:40.000 It's been around since the 60s or 70s.

00:17:42.000 Marcuse, Jacques Derrida, Michelle Foucault.

00:17:46.000 These ideas really stem from a couple beliefs, which is you can't not, you can never know truth in its objective and real form.

00:17:54.000 That what is beautiful, good, and true that we call in the West is all just your opinion.

00:17:59.000 What really all that matters is power dynamics, and tribalism is the ultimate way that we should organize society.

00:18:06.000 I'm overly generalizing.

00:18:07.000 It's a lot deeper than that.

00:18:09.000 They actually make some things and some claims on society that are interesting if you have a fully developed philosophical and cogent worldview.

00:18:16.000 It is absolute ideological arsenic if you feed this to young people without a classical base that understands how to think and process the world.

00:18:25.000 And so the woke stuff, you know, I get asked all the time, Charlie, how do you define woke?

00:18:29.000 Because that was trending on Twitter a couple weeks ago.

00:18:31.000 A couple ways.

00:18:32.000 The first of which is on the race thing, call everything racist till you control it.

00:18:37.000 And so it's a means to power.

00:18:39.000 That's what the woke is.

00:18:41.000 It's not just about enlightening people or challenging preexisting power structures.

00:18:46.000 It's about taking over the power structures.

00:18:48.000 Right.

00:18:49.000 And so it is a means to tyranny.

00:18:51.000 It's a means to an end of I'm in control and you are not.

00:18:54.000 And that's why I always say the T in LGBT is for tyranny. 1.00

00:18:58.000 It's not for trans or whatever. 1.00

00:18:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:00.000 It's for tyranny. 0.61

00:19:01.000 Because the claim that the alphabet mafia makes is when I go to these college campuses, I always say, if you disagree, you can go to the front of the line.

00:19:09.000 We can have dialogue and discourse and disagreement.

00:19:12.000 And we can go from there.

00:19:13.000 And I'll say, so the claim they'll always make is, Charlie, how does a man in his own living room, in his own private quarters, who wears a dress impact you?

00:19:21.000 And I say, other than a total affront on truth, it really doesn't impact me.

00:19:25.000 But that's not why we're here.

00:19:26.000 That's not why I'm passionate about this.

00:19:28.000 Because I wouldn't know about it.

00:19:30.000 The issue is that that man who wears a dress wants me to reaccommodate and reconfigure all of society when he's not in his private quarters, but when he's in public.

00:19:39.000 He wants me to change sports.

00:19:41.000 He wants me to change curriculum.

00:19:42.000 He wants me to change language.

00:19:44.000 He wants me to change thought patterns.

00:19:46.000 It is inherently tyrannical.

00:19:48.000 If it was live and let live, no one would be talking about this.

00:19:51.000 Okay?

00:19:52.000 There's a lot of people with weird mental delusions that we don't have to reaccommodate society for.

00:19:56.000 People that have imaginary friends, people that are schizophrenic.

00:19:58.000 We get them help.

00:19:59.000 We get them treatment.

00:20:00.000 We compassionately care from them.

00:20:02.000 And then we have decent and civil society.

00:20:04.000 No, it's not live and let live. 0.98

00:20:05.000 It's live and let them rule.

00:20:08.000 That's true.

00:20:09.000 That is true.

00:20:10.000 The T in LGBT is for tyranny. 1.00

00:20:12.000 That's where this ends up.

00:20:13.000 So the woke stuff, it went through three iterations, and I lived through all three, at least in this kind of modern moment.

00:20:19.000 I got my start when the first attempt on the woke was Occupy Wall Street.

00:20:24.000 And that was the radical fundamentalist, the radical left-wing fundamentalists that wanted to have an economic Marxist kind of movement.

00:20:31.000 It failed.

00:20:32.000 And this is exactly why Gramsci in his letters from prison, written in the 1920s, early 1930s, came up with the term cultural Marxism, which Marcuse took and then brought it to America, which was the traditional Marxist dialectic.

00:20:47.000 So it's coming from Hegel, Marx and Engels, they weren't wrong with a lot of what they wrote.

00:20:52.000 It's garbage implemented, but effectively they were making a broader critique of capitalist industrial society, saying that if you forget labor completely, you're going to have an unsustainable civilization.

00:21:05.000 You can see a foundation to what they were saying then. 0.83

00:21:07.000 But then it's like it got twisted.

00:21:09.000 It was turned.

00:21:10.000 But then they went, I mean, that's like chapter one.

00:21:12.000 And then chapter two, three, four, five, six gets into total garbage, right?

00:21:15.000 But the fundamental Marxist critique is: hey, you know, the bourgeoisie, right, if they are left unchecked, will not make a good world for the proletariat.

00:21:29.000 And that labor matters.

00:21:31.000 They think labor mattered more than capital.

00:21:33.000 I disagree.

00:21:34.000 I think they both need each other.

00:21:35.000 You can have a prudent kind of middle ground, right?

00:21:38.000 But everything they talked about was in economic terms, right?

00:21:42.000 Marx and Engels, not cultural terms.

00:21:44.000 But what they developed was a dialectic or a power struggle, if you will, or a framing of oppressed versus oppressor in economics.

00:21:54.000 Fast forward to the 30s, 40s, and 50s, that same sort of framing was then taken.

00:21:59.000 They said, well, why don't we take that kind of Marxist power struggle and then apply it to race or apply it to sex and gender?

00:22:09.000 So we've lived through all three in a short period of time.

00:22:13.000 And historians are going to look back and they're going to see, wow, those are the three attempts of the Marxists to take over the West.

00:22:18.000 And most people didn't even realize it.

00:22:20.000 Started with economics and it failed.

00:22:21.000 Why?

00:22:22.000 Because when the Marxists at Occupy Wall Street were saying, close down the banks and all this, I was actually sympathetic.

00:22:27.000 I think a lot of those fraudsters should be in jail.

00:22:29.000 But then they kept on talking and they're like, get rid of all private property.

00:22:32.000 And like, okay, actually, most middle-class workers enjoy the fact that they can get wealthier and they want to try to get to a nicer life.

00:22:40.000 And the American dream is admirable.

00:22:42.000 So Occupy Wall Street failed.

00:22:43.000 What was the second attempt?

00:22:45.000 Me Too.

00:22:46.000 Me Too.

00:22:46.000 The Me Too movement.

00:22:48.000 Which was trying to turn women against men.

00:22:50.000 This failed. 0.99

00:22:51.000 It failed because they overly generalized, started with some legitimate complaints against some scumbags, right? 0.98

00:22:57.000 Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby. 0.99

00:22:59.000 And then, of course, since we're actually a rather decent country, there's a supply and demand problem for scumbag white people in part of society. 1.00

00:23:07.000 You just kind of run out. 0.99

00:23:08.000 And then you go to Louis C.K.

00:23:08.000 They ran out.

00:23:10.000 Yeah.

00:23:11.000 And, okay, he, you know, I don't know all the details, but he was way over-penalized for whatever he did.

00:23:16.000 I don't know if it was jokes or harassment.

00:23:18.000 It was jokes.

00:23:19.000 They did the usual where they just cut up like they did to Rogan.

00:23:19.000 Yeah.

00:23:22.000 They did this shit. 1.00

00:23:23.000 It's terrible. 1.00

00:23:23.000 It's awful, right? 1.00

00:23:24.000 And so then decent people say, okay, that goes too far.

00:23:27.000 That's a tyrannical impulse behind Me Too, right?

00:23:30.000 And the Kavanaugh thing was the absolute climax.

00:23:32.000 That was insane.

00:23:33.000 When I saw that, I mean, how could, you know, I just have to, how could you do that to that guy?

00:23:38.000 And it was the death of the Me Too movement.

00:23:40.000 So then they had to recalibrate.

00:23:40.000 Yeah.

00:23:42.000 They should have picked a big, better puppet.

00:23:44.000 Oh, I mean, Christine Balza Ford and Michael Avenatti and Julie Swetnick, and you've got all these people that are just flat out lying about Kavanaugh, right?

00:23:53.000 And so the Me Too movement died.

00:23:55.000 And it really hasn't come back.

00:23:56.000 If you notice, I haven't heard the movie.

00:23:59.000 Well, because the trans thing's at odds with the Me Too. 0.55

00:24:02.000 That's why.

00:24:03.000 But Soros and these radical fundamentalists seed funded the beginning stages of the racial arsonist movement using that power struggle.

00:24:13.000 And they said, we're going to do black versus white.

00:24:16.000 And it started in Ferguson, Missouri, spread to the University of Missouri, and BLM was born.

00:24:20.000 And it was kind of a subterranean, below-the-surface movement for a couple years.

00:24:25.000 And then 2020 happened.

00:24:28.000 Lockdown, the society never should have done it.

00:24:30.000 George Floyd occurs, and the entire society loses its mind.

00:24:34.000 A new religion basically gets implemented, the religion of anti-racism, and largely driven by anxious, secular, miserable upper-middle-class wine moms that do not have a grounded.

00:24:48.000 I always say that.

00:24:49.000 I always say that.

00:24:50.000 It's true.

00:24:51.000 Now, do you think it's working so well this time?

00:24:53.000 Well, in my opinion, it's working so well this time because you have everybody addicted to that phone.

00:24:57.000 So now they can, like, if you're not posting like you are or I am or he is, you can be very easily brainwashed.

00:25:04.000 Well, they are brainwashed on that phone.

00:25:05.000 I mean, I say it all the time.

00:25:08.000 When was the last time you stood next?

00:25:10.000 If you have 100 people and you try to have a conversation with them, they're like this.

00:25:13.000 They're feeling their fiction.

00:25:14.000 They can't wait to get on the TikTok and whatever else it is.

00:25:17.000 Do you think that the reason why it's working so much better this time is because they're just getting that forced into their skulls data.

00:25:25.000 That's a big at an angle.

00:25:27.000 It's a big part of it.

00:25:28.000 But the biggest issue is white guilt. 0.74

00:25:32.000 The reason the race thing works is because white people are the ones that are sponsoring it. 0.97

00:25:36.000 This is not being driven by the black community. 0.99

00:25:38.000 Go talk to an average black. 1.00

00:25:40.000 They think, yeah, the police might be against them. 0.97

00:25:41.000 There might be some racism.

00:25:43.000 They laugh at reparations.

00:25:45.000 Like, free money, sure.

00:25:46.000 No, no. 0.95

00:25:46.000 But the entire movement is driven by hyper-educated white liberals that do not know how to cope with being called a racist all the time. 0.95

00:25:57.000 And so through almost a quasi-pagan religious exercise, they go through the BLM kind of the BLM movement and the BLM actions of, okay, you have original sin. 0.81

00:26:11.000 They took this from Christianity, by the way. 0.96

00:26:13.000 You have original sin because you're white, and you must pay a tithe because you're white, and you must relentlessly apologize because you're white. 0.95

00:26:20.000 And the consequence of this is you have basically a race movement against white people that is being financed and mainly driven by white people. 0.99

00:26:30.000 Unbelievable.

00:26:31.000 And then how does that connect to the whole trans thing?

00:26:35.000 You know, you're four years old. 1.00

00:26:36.000 Hey, would you like to have your penis cut off? 1.00

00:26:39.000 Would you like to have a penis? 1.00

00:26:41.000 You know, like, I have a two and a half year old daughter. 1.00

00:26:43.000 I mean, I would like to.

00:26:44.000 I have a daughter too.

00:26:45.000 She's seven months.

00:26:46.000 I mean, so thank you.

00:26:46.000 Yeah.

00:26:48.000 Yeah, look, and congratulations to you, too.

00:26:50.000 Fatherhood changes people.

00:26:51.000 I encourage people to do they mix somehow together.

00:26:56.000 Actually at odds with one another, but they're happy partners in destroying the West because they both the at the at the core of the Blm movement is that you have an identity that matters, that you can't change, and that's race. 1.00

00:27:11.000 At the core of the Trans movement is, you have an identity that you can change right, and that does matter. 0.97

00:27:16.000 So that has never been actually hashed out or reconciled, but they're partners, and they're partners because and this is called uh, intersectionality.

00:27:25.000 It's a term that is used a lot by Marxist revolutionaries.

00:27:28.000 It's exactly how the Islamists are able to be partners with the Marxists. 0.92

00:27:33.000 And Elon Omar, who's a devout Muslim, who's arguing for gay stuff in the Congress, even though the Islamic world is far harsher towards the homosexuals? 0.96

00:27:44.000 Remember they used to hang people, they still do. 0.97

00:27:46.000 They throw them off buildings. 0.76

00:27:48.000 Or Akadi Majah used to say, in Iran, we do not have gay people in Iran like, not exactly welcome an opening and they don't because they throw them off the building. 0.99

00:27:55.000 No, that's exactly right and so.

00:27:57.000 But intersectionality the best way I could describe intersex, intersectionality is, the enemy is so we hate the enemy so much.

00:28:05.000 We're willing to be partners with people we might disagree with, to destroy the enemy, but the.

00:28:09.000 The one thing that does unify the Trans movement and the Blm movement is tribalism and that is part to that part of that one-dimensional man. 0.99

00:28:18.000 He wrote in the book One Dimensional Man, Herb Markuza, which is in this postmodern, post-structuralist world, that what matters is your group.

00:28:26.000 The West was built an idea on, an idea that your group does not matter, that you as an individual are made in the image of God.

00:28:33.000 You're in the made the image of the divine.

00:28:35.000 You have a soul, you have agency, you have action, you are accountable for you.

00:28:39.000 That's a profound idea.

00:28:41.000 Most of civilization was that your group will take responsibility for the group action.

00:28:46.000 The West said no no no, no.

00:28:48.000 Group matters.

00:28:49.000 Accountability matters from the community.

00:28:51.000 We're still going to have elements of that, but it's you that are going to have to be accountable if you murder somebody or you steal something.

00:28:59.000 In tribal, postmodern politics they don't believe that.

00:29:03.000 They believe that the white person must be accountable for all other white people.

00:29:08.000 And the reason why the West has worked, the reason why we have all this wealth and all this prosperity and why we're the envy of the world there's a lot of reasons, but largely is that we rejected tribalism and so all throughout the first five books of Moses.

00:29:21.000 We don't have to talk about too much religion if you don't want to, but basically our whole civilization is based on these ideas.

00:29:26.000 The first five books of Moses Genesis Exodus Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy there's a constant refrain, to love the stranger, to love the stranger and to reject always being in your tribal group.

00:29:38.000 Right, so it was this tension of God's chosen people, of the Hebrews, the nation of Israel, but that you are not necessarily better than anybody else.

00:29:46.000 You might be the messengers of the lord, because people always want to just go back to sectarianism.

00:29:51.000 Right, and the West has worked because we say okay, I don't care about your sect, I care about your character and your action and your soul, your leadership.

00:30:02.000 The left wants to destroy all of that.

00:30:04.000 They want to return to sectarianism.

00:30:07.000 What I never Understand is, you know, as a society, right?

00:30:12.000 Especially the time period we're living in now.

00:30:15.000 My wife is Puerto Rican.

00:30:16.000 My kids half Hispanic, half white.

00:30:19.000 You look at all the intermixing of races and all that type of stuff.

00:30:23.000 You know, where does this from that side even?

00:30:28.000 That's what they, that's what they preach.

00:30:29.000 They want this mixture that it's like it's bad.

00:30:33.000 You need to fill out a form for college.

00:30:35.000 You have to put Caucasian. 1.00

00:30:37.000 They should just do away with that.

00:30:38.000 They should get rid of all of it.

00:30:39.000 What does my son put? 0.96

00:30:40.000 Hispanic? 0.74

00:30:41.000 Because if he gets the money.

00:30:42.000 He's half oppressed.

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 What do you do in that situation?

00:30:47.000 I mean, the question is, and I mean this seriously, do you want him to get an advantage or not?

00:30:52.000 And so this is the question that mixed race families are now going to have to entertain.

00:30:56.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:30:57.000 And the answer is that there is now a currency.

00:31:00.000 There is a way to get up in life if you check the box of the lineage that correlates with oppression, alleged oppression, versus oppressor.

00:31:09.000 So I'm as waspy as it gets, right?

00:31:11.000 White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. 0.61

00:31:12.000 I'm like the whitest person you'll ever meet.

00:31:15.000 So, but your son or your daughter has, you know, white and Hispanic.

00:31:21.000 What is fundamentally different between me and your kids?

00:31:23.000 Nothing.

00:31:24.000 We both have a soul.

00:31:25.000 We both have agency.

00:31:27.000 We hearts, right?

00:31:28.000 Right, exactly.

00:31:29.000 And that's the promise of the Declaration, right?

00:31:31.000 The Declaration of Independence, drawing on classical literature, all men created equal.

00:31:35.000 It doesn't mean we have equal talents.

00:31:36.000 Some people are shorter.

00:31:37.000 Some people are taller.

00:31:38.000 Some people are stronger.

00:31:39.000 It's that we're the same type of thing.

00:31:41.000 We are a human being.

00:31:42.000 We're not the beasts.

00:31:43.000 We're made in the image of the divine.

00:31:46.000 And to your point of kind of the college selection, we've now made an incentive structure where you actually get a benefit from playing into this identity politics, which is why you have people faking being black. 0.93

00:32:00.000 And this is how you know there's no white privilege, is that people want to stop being white.

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 How do you have white privilege if you get into college easier or you want to check the box based on not being white? 0.60

00:32:13.000 This is so damaging.

00:32:15.000 I want to live in a country where race doesn't matter at all. 0.98

00:32:19.000 At the same time, we must simultaneously admit these are white people that are doing this to the entire society. 0.95

00:32:24.000 No, that's what's crazy. 0.88

00:32:26.000 We're talking about it.

00:32:26.000 It's self-hatred, but it's self-mutilation.

00:32:29.000 And so this is why, I mean, I'm a very proud Christian and I'm happy to talk about it as much as you guys are comfortable not trying to proselytize. 0.99

00:32:36.000 But when you get rid of Christianity as at least a default, a default worldview, something stupid is going to take it in its place. 0.96

00:32:45.000 So you might not believe that Jesus is the king of the world. 0.99

00:32:48.000 You might not believe in everything in the Bible.

00:32:49.000 That's fine.

00:32:50.000 But you're being intellectually dishonest if you don't at least acknowledge that the world is better when Christianity is at least somewhat within the moral fiber. 0.94

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 I mean, I think, you know, I was raised Catholic, you know, as an Italian.

00:33:03.000 Like, I'm not, you know, I love Catholics.

00:33:06.000 Yeah, but you could, you know, you could go burn up a building and got a certain amount of people.

00:33:10.000 You got a confession.

00:33:10.000 Confession.

00:33:11.000 It's all good.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.000 Walk out.

00:33:13.000 But, you know, it still gave you that grounding where, you know, whether you believe it, you don't believe it, it's still a good to have.

00:33:21.000 It's a good base to have because you always have that thought in your mind, no matter what you think.

00:33:25.000 That's exactly right.

00:33:28.000 That's a moral accountability, right?

00:33:29.000 The eyes of God are upon you at all times.

00:33:32.000 That's a very good argument for the necessity of God.

00:33:35.000 I'm talking more societally, too, though.

00:33:37.000 If you do not have some form of Christianity and or Judeo-Christian worldview, then something will take its place.

00:33:44.000 There is no such thing as atheism.

00:33:47.000 You might say, I believe in no God.

00:33:48.000 Then you say, well, what do you believe then?

00:33:50.000 You have to have some viewpoint.

00:33:52.000 You have to have some ethical code.

00:33:54.000 And I have an operating thesis that there's five fake religions that have then permeated the West. 0.87

00:33:59.000 One of them is the religion of anti-racism or the cult of diversity.

00:34:03.000 So you get rid of Christianity and then people start worshiping at the altar of BLM. 0.97

00:34:08.000 And I see how it all goes together.

00:34:10.000 So you have your racism between colors.

00:34:12.000 Yep.

00:34:13.000 You have the racism between politics.

00:34:15.000 Then you have the trans that just were wearing wigs and everything else. 1.00

00:34:15.000 Yes. 1.00

00:34:20.000 You have societal arson.

00:34:21.000 That are then going to a sex change, right? 0.99

00:34:24.000 Then they move in together.

00:34:25.000 So you have that group, that group, that group.

00:34:27.000 Now you have all of this racism, basically, just in different ways, which we never had before.

00:34:33.000 Then it's getting shoved down people's throats with TikTok, like I said, all this other stuff, the news, you know, because big pharma is behind that, politics are better than that, so on and so forth.

00:34:44.000 They pick and choose what they show.

00:34:46.000 You know, somebody's got to pay the bills.

00:34:48.000 I see how it goes now.

00:34:49.000 Who is, I always say, and I stay on this, Charlie, because I think your academy is so important.

00:34:53.000 Oh, thank you.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, I mean, look, this is my strike zone.

00:34:56.000 So, yeah.

00:34:57.000 I think I asked this the last time one of the guests we had on.

00:34:59.000 Who is you've seen the movie The Wizard of Oz?

00:35:01.000 Yes, who's the puppet message?

00:35:03.000 Who is the man behind the curtain?

00:35:04.000 You guess first.

00:35:05.000 Guess.

00:35:06.000 You know, but I could say, you know, you hear the name George Soros.

00:35:09.000 He's part of it.

00:35:10.000 He's a financier.

00:35:12.000 Bill Clinton.

00:35:13.000 You hear these names.

00:35:14.000 Who's this cult behind it?

00:35:16.000 I always wonder that.

00:35:17.000 I say Gates or Obama or Gates and Obama from the guys I've followed.

00:35:21.000 Gates is involved.

00:35:22.000 Obama's involved.

00:35:23.000 It's not a singular person.

00:35:24.000 It is definitely a cabal.

00:35:26.000 I mean, we could identify many of them.

00:35:27.000 Mark Elias is involved.

00:35:29.000 Mackenzie Bezos is involved.

00:35:31.000 To a lesser extent, Lorene Powell Jobs.

00:35:34.000 But I think it's a little bit misleading to say that it's an individual conductor.

00:35:39.000 I think they take turns, but they certainly want the same thing.

00:35:44.000 And here's what they want: they think America's a problem.

00:35:47.000 They think self-government is a problem.

00:35:49.000 They think this whole promise of the founding is outdated.

00:35:51.000 And this is not a new idea.

00:35:53.000 Woodrow Wilson believed this.

00:35:54.000 John Dewey believed this 100 years ago.

00:35:56.000 The kind of new left that has been in power the last hundred years believed this.

00:36:01.000 But you pointed something out, which is very important.

00:36:04.000 There's layers behind the layer that expose other philosophical cancers in our society.

00:36:11.000 The pharmaceutical companies are involved in a lot of this.

00:36:14.000 And make no mistake, the social contagion of trans is a profit center for the pharmaceutical companies. 1.00

00:36:21.000 So they're all for it.

00:36:23.000 Well, think about it. 0.71

00:36:23.000 They get to chop off the kids' parts. 0.71

00:36:26.000 They get to administer them antidepressants for the rest of their life: benzodiazepine, Zola, opiates, Xanax, yeah, all sorts of different SSRIs, serotonin disruptors.

00:36:37.000 And I think 20 years from now, when there's a million problems, boom, you have to go back in.

00:36:41.000 So that's an annuity for the pharmaceutical companies.

00:36:41.000 That's right.

00:36:43.000 Not to mention, so the rough estimates that it's about a million dollars per kid per year of pharmaceutical profits of everyone they're able to chop off their parts, right?

00:36:52.000 Pfizer's like, sign me up.

00:36:53.000 We'll just go paid the 20 billion in a year and a half again.

00:36:56.000 But we must recognize that if you were to say, okay, George Soros gets off the chessboard, just another person would take its part, right?

00:36:56.000 That's right.

00:37:08.000 But Soros is definitely one of the top people because he's so forceful and he's so ideological.

00:37:14.000 Gates has a separate view than Soros, but they're partners.

00:37:17.000 And I could tell you the difference, right?

00:37:19.000 So Gates is the kind of the chief cleric, if you will, of the religion of scientism, right?

00:37:25.000 That we must worship science, and their view of science is different than what we believe science can be.

00:37:31.000 And we could talk about that.

00:37:32.000 Soros is, he uses the religion of anti-racism, but if Soros is very well published, you can read everything he believes.

00:37:40.000 There's really no mystery here.

00:37:41.000 He believes America is a mistake.

00:37:43.000 He believes in a borderless society.

00:37:45.000 He believes in a global one-world government.

00:37:47.000 He has made billions of dollars off of currency collapses.

00:37:51.000 And he believes the police is the problem.

00:37:54.000 He comes from an ideological worldview that the West is a project that is doomed for failure, and I'm going to accelerate that failure.

00:38:06.000 Bill Gates has a little bit separate view, but they're partners.

00:38:09.000 Bill Gates, so science as we used to know it was a beautiful thing.

00:38:13.000 It was an inquiry into the natural world, right?

00:38:16.000 Sir Francis Bacon came up with the scientific method.

00:38:19.000 Sir Isaac Newton came up with the three laws of Newtonian physics that we all obviously operate in our world today.

00:38:25.000 These people were largely Christian.

00:38:27.000 They believed that there was a God.

00:38:28.000 They were not him, that we are not him, and they want to inquire the natural world.

00:38:32.000 That was the tradition up until the 1800s, early 1900s, where something changed.

00:38:37.000 Instead of looking into the natural world to seek to know, to seek to wonder, to seek to understand, the new science, the new left, the scientism, they seek to change nature.

00:38:48.000 They seek to change the order of the cosmos.

00:38:51.000 That's behind the trans movement, is that we are actually going to change the chromosomal makeup itself. 0.95

00:38:56.000 We're going to use human will and exert our human will over the designed.

00:39:01.000 Now, does them sealing all of Tesla's stuff play into that as well?

00:39:05.000 Tesla?

00:39:06.000 Yeah, like the real Tesla.

00:39:07.000 Oh, Nikola Tesla.

00:39:09.000 Well, potentially, yeah.

00:39:10.000 I mean, I think there's some misinformation.

00:39:13.000 I think Edison actually was pretty cool, but that's a separate issue.

00:39:17.000 Yeah, look, there is a pretty substantial theory that Nikola Tesla had a plan to power the world and that it very well might have been covered up.

00:39:27.000 And then against what they wanted.

00:39:29.000 I mean, I'm just like trying to connect the dots.

00:39:29.000 Potentially, yeah.

00:39:31.000 It's speculation.

00:39:32.000 I mean, what I mean, Nikola Tesla, being a Serb, I grew up with Serbs, so I have a soft spot for Tesla.

00:39:42.000 There's kind of like a mythological quality to Tesla in the sense of larger than life.

00:39:49.000 Elon believes a lot of it.

00:39:50.000 It could be true.

00:39:52.000 But if you really believe that these people are sinister and he had a low-cost, basically free way to power the world, then he would run away from it.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, well, these people are far more evil than we could ever imagine.

00:40:04.000 Well, it looks, I mean, why else would you seal it?

00:40:08.000 Because as you said, it goes all the way back.

00:40:09.000 And we talk about Soros and Gates, even though we saw Gates on the name with the whole COVID thing that started in 09.

00:40:15.000 And that was with the top guys.

00:40:15.000 Yep.

00:40:18.000 That's just crazy.

00:40:19.000 But there's so many layers under them.

00:40:22.000 They're just like the spokesman of it.

00:40:25.000 Yes.

00:40:26.000 I mean, again, they kind of operate with their own kind of hive consciousness.

00:40:30.000 So that's really important to remember.

00:40:32.000 But Gates, especially.

00:40:34.000 He seems like the worst.

00:40:36.000 And he's pumped a lot of money into this.

00:40:36.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 But it's an ideological rot.

00:40:41.000 And he's just a manifestation of that ideological rot, which is I'm trying to change nature.

00:40:48.000 I'm trying to change what God has designed.

00:40:50.000 Now, let me be very clear.

00:40:52.000 We believe we can improve it, but we do not seek to redesign.

00:40:58.000 We seek to improve.

00:41:00.000 And so one of the premises behind the mRNA gene-altering shot that they call the vaccine is we're going to change your DNA.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:07.000 Literally.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, Dr. Malone was in here for four hours and he said, do not take the shot.

00:41:13.000 I made the mRNA.

00:41:15.000 Yes.

00:41:16.000 And then, you know, he left to Japan to go try to find a way to kind of counter it.

00:41:20.000 He's coming back thinking through.

00:41:22.000 I'm a big Dr. Malone fan.

00:41:23.000 He's a great guy, great guy, and has a very good sense of humor.

00:41:26.000 But I always say this, and you'll know better than me.

00:41:29.000 A vaccinologist like him does not go on a podcast unless there's really something wrong.

00:41:34.000 Correct.

00:41:35.000 A guy like Peter McCullough, who I'm really good buddies with, does not come on a podcast unless there's something really wrong.

00:41:42.000 They stay in their labs and do what they do.

00:41:44.000 So when you see that kind of guy coming out to hear Rogan, Fox everywhere, there's something really, really wrong.

00:41:52.000 But they push this down, yeah, booster one, booster two, booster three.

00:41:56.000 When the guy who invented the mRNA is saying, the odds of you dying from this are very high.

00:42:02.000 MA say heart attack, stroke, so on and so forth.

00:42:06.000 Which leads me to go to tab four, which is what you're also doing is the guerrilla tactics.

00:42:13.000 Now, explain to whatever, whatever.

00:42:15.000 I love it.

00:42:15.000 You know, the guerrilla tactics, reporting.

00:42:18.000 I mean, Turning Point USA is doing everything.

00:42:20.000 We're on the front lines.

00:42:21.000 Yeah, people got to watch.

00:42:22.000 I don't know how you got away with YouTube, which I'm going to get to in a minute.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 Well, we have a good YouTube presence.

00:42:26.000 Yeah, yeah, you do.

00:42:27.000 You do.

00:42:28.000 So tell us all about this because you're going to want some real news, maybe?

00:42:31.000 Yeah, it's a real fun project.

00:42:33.000 So we have a great team, Savannah Hernandez and Drew Hernandez.

00:42:37.000 They're not related, but they both are in the same project.

00:42:41.000 I learned from Drew Hernandez is one of the reasons why Kyle Rittenhouse is not in jail.

00:42:45.000 Oh, really?

00:42:46.000 He testified at the Rittenhouse trial because he was one of the people that took the footage.

00:42:51.000 Oh, that's right.

00:42:52.000 That exonerated him.

00:42:53.000 That exonerate.

00:42:54.000 Yep.

00:42:55.000 So he, amongst three other people, did this, right?

00:42:58.000 So Drew Hernandez is one of the people in the middle of the night that took the footage.

00:43:02.000 And I got to know Drew.

00:43:03.000 He lived in Phoenix.

00:43:04.000 And I was quickly drawn to the belief that if we do not have more people in the streets capturing the truth, we're going to constantly be fed what the media wants us to believe.

00:43:16.000 So it just basically started with a very simple premise: public displays of anarchy and chaos.

00:43:23.000 We need to be capturing everything that's happening there.

00:43:26.000 From beginning to end.

00:43:27.000 From beginning to end.

00:43:28.000 Not just the clip that they want you to see.

00:43:30.000 Hours and hours and hours of footage, right?

00:43:33.000 And so we started Frontlines as a way to be literally on the front lines to capture what is happening from the Roe versus Wade stuff.

00:43:41.000 We were there and we had the most viral footage to them trying to storm the Phoenix Capitol to some of the BLM stuff we've seen recently to the Antifa stuff in Georgia. 0.76

00:43:52.000 And so that's we're not doing what Veritas, when James used to be there, what James O'Keefe, forget Veritas, what James O'Keefe, you know, used to do.

00:44:02.000 We're not there.

00:44:03.000 Instead, we're doing something that is far more simple, which is we're going to be in the streets capturing these big high-profile events, whether it be Trans Day of Vengeance, we were there, the Detransitioner riot in Sacramento.

00:44:18.000 Almost every day, we have motivated guerrilla journalists that are simply doing the work of being on the front lines and giving millions of people the truth of what's actually happening.

00:44:29.000 And we think that's really helpful and really important to capture the essence of what's actually happening and to educate the population on it.

00:44:36.000 I think that's so often awesome.

00:44:37.000 So, say, even if you're an atheist or you're a Democrat and you went to January 6th to do whatever you wanted, this is a great example.

00:44:45.000 We didn't have enough reporters there.

00:44:47.000 And we've had, what, four or five of the guys in that have been indicted, and every one of them had the same story.

00:44:47.000 Right.

00:44:53.000 The Fed say go in.

00:44:55.000 Yeah, I know, but it's a story.

00:44:57.000 It's a story, right?

00:44:58.000 And I believe them.

00:44:59.000 And I do too.

00:45:00.000 But this is why you're so needed with this because you have it from beginning.

00:45:04.000 Like, if you have a whole 360, and people had phones that day, but if we would, it was scattery.

00:45:11.000 It's still unclear.

00:45:13.000 It's a little bit cloudy.

00:45:14.000 It's clumsy.

00:45:15.000 You know, they were distracted.

00:45:17.000 So the truth will set you free.

00:45:19.000 That is the operating statement, the mission statement of frontlines.

00:45:23.000 The truth will set you free.

00:45:24.000 That's awesome.

00:45:25.000 And so, again, James O'Keefe does his thing, which he does the best at.

00:45:29.000 We're going to let him keep doing that.

00:45:31.000 This is different.

00:45:33.000 This is high-risk stuff, by the way.

00:45:35.000 Yeah.

00:45:36.000 Our journalists are putting danger, Savannah Hernandez.

00:45:39.000 And then we'll do a second thing, which is we'll actually ask questions of the participants.

00:45:43.000 So that, so we do the kind of kinetic stuff we capture, right?

00:45:47.000 Flashbang grenades, people getting punched in the face.

00:45:50.000 But then we'll actually try to get a picture of who's attending, how do they feel?

00:45:55.000 And those go viral as well.

00:45:57.000 And then you asked, obviously, the reporters risking their lives out there, you know, questions.

00:46:02.000 What's going on and not say, hey, what do you think about that bomb went off?

00:46:06.000 You have 10 seconds.

00:46:07.000 We have a hard cut.

00:46:08.000 No, that's right, exactly.

00:46:09.000 And the media is so dishonest.

00:46:11.000 And so if it wasn't for our frontlines project, the riot and when they were trying to come into my speech at University of California, Davis, with weapons never would have been publicized.

00:46:20.000 Never.

00:46:21.000 And so this was an amazing little thing, not little, but it was a little in the news cycle.

00:46:25.000 It took a couple days up where I visited University of California, Davis, and they tried to burn down the entire campus.

00:46:31.000 And Antifa was there.

00:46:32.000 They assaulted a police officer, all based on a lie, by the way.

00:46:35.000 And we can get into that story if you want to, but the chancellor lied about me and defamed me and slandered me.

00:46:40.000 But we had our reporters there and they were embedded.

00:46:43.000 And we captured them smashing windows.

00:46:46.000 And even some of the left-wing bloggers were like, how did they get such good footage of this?

00:46:50.000 See, now, when you hear that, now you know you're making a difference.

00:46:53.000 We know we're making a difference.

00:46:55.000 And by the way, they're going to try to prevent and dox our people. 0.83

00:46:58.000 That's fine.

00:46:59.000 We have the frontlines reporters we have, Kalin, Savannah, and Drew.

00:47:04.000 They're courageous.

00:47:05.000 And we got more, by the way.

00:47:06.000 And it's really simple.

00:47:08.000 We're not here.

00:47:08.000 We're just going to capture it.

00:47:10.000 We're going to watch.

00:47:12.000 I think it's a huge missing part of the conservative movement right now.

00:47:15.000 I think it's just huge overall.

00:47:16.000 And this is when I saw this, I said, this is it.

00:47:18.000 Thank you.

00:47:19.000 Because the other stuff, you know, you can go to the colleges.

00:47:22.000 That always helps.

00:47:23.000 It's critical.

00:47:24.000 But this is more critical, I think.

00:47:26.000 Yes.

00:47:27.000 Well, and remember, sorry to interrupt, but Drew Hernandez, Kyle Rittenhouse would be in jail if it wasn't for Drew Hernandez.

00:47:33.000 Right.

00:47:33.000 It starts there.

00:47:34.000 So that's proof that this type of journalism can save lives.

00:47:37.000 And people want to see what really happened.

00:47:39.000 Yes.

00:47:40.000 And as they start to see, even you just said the Democrat, they know you're conservative as can be.

00:47:45.000 But they're like, how did he get that footage?

00:47:48.000 So now it turns into, we want to see the action, right?

00:47:51.000 They forget, oh, conservative.

00:47:53.000 And as time goes on, you see more and more real stuff versus the news.

00:47:59.000 And I think personally, other than a catastrophic incident like a 9-11 or something major, I don't see how anything changes.

00:48:07.000 But this I could see.

00:48:08.000 So a couple of things too.

00:48:09.000 Our hope and our desire is that through capturing all this footage, we can make it less likely for the other side to do absolutely to do a Fed surrection.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, you can counter.

00:48:22.000 Meaning that they don't know if they're ever on film or not.

00:48:25.000 And that's a cool thing, right?

00:48:27.000 Yeah.

00:48:27.000 And so, look, we believe the truth will set you free.

00:48:30.000 I'm so proud of the team at Frontlines.

00:48:32.000 They have unbelievable courage.

00:48:33.000 And I believe courage is the greatest of all the virtues.

00:48:35.000 Without courage, you do not have a society.

00:48:37.000 Agreed.

00:48:38.000 And there's a lot of great reporters out there.

00:48:41.000 There's a lot of people out there.

00:48:42.000 There's also a lot of bloggers who kind of just write about what's happening.

00:48:45.000 That's not what this is.

00:48:47.000 A lot of payoffs, a lot of pay-for-play.

00:48:49.000 Nobody gets rich doing this.

00:48:51.000 They're taking red-eye flights, you know, flying coach, you know, landing, grabbing their gear, dressing in all black, and staying in, kind of trying to stay in the shadows to capture what's happening so the rest of the world can see the next police firebombing training center that we saw in Antifa, right?

00:49:10.000 That's the work they're doing.

00:49:12.000 I believe it's moral and good for the country.

00:49:14.000 See, I think this could change the 2024.

00:49:17.000 This could change it because now you have proof.

00:49:20.000 This is something I really truly think about.

00:49:22.000 And more than anything else.

00:49:22.000 Thank you.

00:49:24.000 We're a 501c3, so that project doesn't aim to impact elections.

00:49:28.000 But you got to be careful.

00:49:31.000 We live in a Soviet country, so I have to be very clear about organizational purpose.

00:49:35.000 We do have a 501c4 that we can talk about too.

00:49:38.000 All we're trying to do here is educate.

00:49:40.000 And all I'm saying is you can say whatever you want, but I just got.

00:49:40.000 Yeah.

00:49:43.000 I think that this type of thing.

00:49:45.000 We live in East Germany.

00:49:46.000 Yeah.

00:49:46.000 I know.

00:49:47.000 We do.

00:49:48.000 We want to be very clear about tax code purposes.

00:49:51.000 I know.

00:49:51.000 I hear you.

00:49:52.000 Believe me.

00:49:52.000 I know.

00:49:52.000 I'm just waiting.

00:49:53.000 I'm waiting for something.

00:49:54.000 I know.

00:49:55.000 So we just educate.

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:57.000 I think this type of education will enlighten people.

00:50:01.000 Will enlighten people to proper action.

00:50:01.000 Right?

00:50:04.000 I really think it will.

00:50:05.000 And then go to the next one, your YouTube.

00:50:08.000 Yeah.

00:50:08.000 Now, being, I'm so impressed with this.

00:50:11.000 Oh, thank you. 0.96

00:50:12.000 Because I got shit with YouTube when the whole COVID thing. 0.98

00:50:15.000 Yep. 0.98

00:50:16.000 You know, Roger Stone, we had to bleep him out.

00:50:17.000 We had to mount before they were, the code was running the voice.

00:50:21.000 Roger was killing me.

00:50:23.000 But how were you able to maintain your channel?

00:50:28.000 Did you have to be more careful on YouTube?

00:50:30.000 Did you dunk and die?

00:50:32.000 And I have a contrarian belief.

00:50:34.000 We have a big Rumble presence, by the way, too.

00:50:36.000 I encourage everyone watching to download the Rumble app.

00:50:39.000 I'm a huge Rumble believer, but I want to occupy every space of where people can be persuaded.

00:50:45.000 And YouTube has become totalitarian.

00:50:48.000 It has.

00:50:49.000 But there's still a lot you can say, a lot.

00:50:52.000 And there's a lot of minds you can still change.

00:50:54.000 A lot.

00:50:56.000 And so Lekwalessa, who helped bring down the Soviet Union, met with a bunch of dissidents in the 1980s.

00:51:04.000 And there was one dissident who was escaped from jail, or I can't remember the circumstances.

00:51:09.000 And he was bragging at Lekwalessa about how he did an act of defiance against the Soviet Union that landed him in prison.

00:51:15.000 And Lekwalessa said, I don't think you're a hero.

00:51:17.000 We have enough martyrs.

00:51:18.000 He said, you need to do prudent action, not act as if the rules are right, but try to win over as many hearts and minds within the totalitarian parameters to point towards liberation.

00:51:30.000 And so I say that with, there's some people, for example, that will intentionally defy YouTube's rules and then they'll complain that they get banned.

00:51:38.000 I think that's silly.

00:51:40.000 I don't think that helps anybody.

00:51:41.000 Now, that's not to say the rules are good.

00:51:44.000 They are a tyrannical totalitarian company.

00:51:46.000 Let me be very clear.

00:51:48.000 But we're careful about what we put up there.

00:51:50.000 But now that we have 917,000 subscribers, and if you go to the about, I think we have 270 million views.

00:51:57.000 And this is just our channel, the Turning Point USA channel.

00:51:59.000 If you go all the way to the right, you're going to.

00:52:00.000 To the right, we're sitting there.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, I can't remember.

00:52:03.000 Hopefully after this, you're at a million.

00:52:04.000 It's at 217 million, maybe.

00:52:06.000 266 million views, right?

00:52:07.000 Not bad, right?

00:52:08.000 And then if you go to our shorts, it's a lot, and we do live streams every day.

00:52:13.000 We have to be careful.

00:52:14.000 We understand that.

00:52:15.000 It's 12 to 3 every day, right?

00:52:17.000 Yeah, 12 to 3 is our radio program and our live stream.

00:52:19.000 Again, some of these views are modest compared to other channels.

00:52:23.000 Our shorts are some of the best.

00:52:24.000 You're throwing a million of them.

00:52:25.000 I mean, you have, you know, 1.9 million or 1.

00:52:28.000 You almost have 2,000 videos.

00:52:30.000 Yes, that's right.

00:52:31.000 It's not like you got 239.

00:52:33.000 You got a lot of videos.

00:52:34.000 And again, like, some of these are modest views by YouTube standards, right?

00:52:38.000 But what we have really surged on YouTube in the last couple of months for a couple of reasons.

00:52:43.000 If you go to shorts, you'll see, you know, our right next to videos.

00:52:47.000 Right next to videos.

00:52:49.000 Yep.

00:52:49.000 Shorts.

00:52:50.000 Yeah.

00:52:50.000 So you'll see, I mean, some of these are kind of campus interactions, campus dialogues.

00:52:56.000 You'll see that, you know, these are turning hearts and minds.

00:53:00.000 These are persuading people.

00:53:01.000 So we fully acknowledge YouTube is totalitarian, but we know the rules.

00:53:06.000 Transition regret. 0.85

00:53:07.000 Oh, yeah, that's not.

00:53:07.000 That one took off.

00:53:09.000 This is, by the way, this is all suppressed.

00:53:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:10.000 Go down.

00:53:11.000 I was just going to tell you.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, just look.

00:53:13.000 If you go down just like two weeks ago, look what we were getting, right?

00:53:16.000 908, 1.2, 2.3.

00:53:18.000 Then somebody put on the thumb on the scale. 0.99

00:53:20.000 So we play this stupid game with YouTube all the time. 0.99

00:53:23.000 You'll see mine. 1.00

00:53:23.000 Me too. 1.00

00:53:24.000 But I don't think it's a good thing to try to get banned.

00:53:27.000 No, I don't think it's a good thing.

00:53:28.000 Some people say, oh, Charlie, why do you use it at all?

00:53:30.000 Because you know why?

00:53:31.000 There's a 15-year-old right now in Tampa, Florida that might stumble across my video and have his total worldview rocked.

00:53:39.000 That's why we stand on.

00:53:40.000 You save his life.

00:53:41.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:53:42.000 Yeah.

00:53:42.000 So it's a daily battle.

00:53:44.000 We have a great team.

00:53:45.000 I see that.

00:53:45.000 Like, I'll put one up.

00:53:46.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:53:47.000 Whatever numbers you see on here, I would guarantee you it's probably three times.

00:53:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:53.000 Because I've watched before this whole Spotify thing I watched.

00:53:55.000 And especially now, I'll see it and it will be up.

00:53:59.000 And then the sensors must kick in or somebody reviews it and then it goes down.

00:54:03.000 And then I, you know, you email them or you file a thing, which you never hear back.

00:54:08.000 And then suddenly it's back.

00:54:09.000 But then I look at everything else and nothing else has changed.

00:54:11.000 You got to constantly joust, right?

00:54:13.000 And, you know, working, we have a whole team that works with YouTube support.

00:54:17.000 Again, I don't like the set of circumstances.

00:54:19.000 I'm going all in on Rumble.

00:54:21.000 Let me say that again.

00:54:21.000 I want to live where Rumble is more popular than YouTube.

00:54:25.000 And they can be.

00:54:26.000 They're a multi-billion dollar company now.

00:54:28.000 I encourage everyone to have Rumble channels.

00:54:30.000 Our Rumble traffic is more than our YouTube traffic.

00:54:32.000 We have more subscribers on Rumble, more daily views, more streams, legit viewers, legit comments, legit supporters.

00:54:39.000 But the Rumble is definitely more of the base, more of the converted, right, than the people who are trying to connect.

00:54:43.000 Spotify is going to buy it.

00:54:45.000 Yeah, they just bought Patreon.

00:54:45.000 Gonna buy Rumble?

00:54:48.000 I think they're gonna buy Rumble, man.

00:54:49.000 I don't know if that, well, that would be interesting.

00:54:51.000 Yeah, that now, speaking of which, why do you think, you know, because you're always killing it on Apple?

00:54:57.000 Why do you think Apple and Spotify, other than their little blue thing, why do you think those are just the big ones I'm thinking of?

00:55:03.000 They stayed more away from the censoring and they let the free speech go.

00:55:08.000 But why, though?

00:55:09.000 Why do you think that's a good thing?

00:55:10.000 I'll talk to App on Apple first.

00:55:12.000 They're just not a content company.

00:55:14.000 And so I've talked to people in Apple.

00:55:16.000 They don't really care.

00:55:19.000 That's a great point.

00:55:19.000 They're a hardware company.

00:55:21.000 They have like 12 people that work in the podcast division, and they're all kind of like civil libertarian types, free speech types.

00:55:29.000 And they don't, I mean, unless it's blatant, like unless they get a ton of complaints and somebody is doing something so insane, then they might censor it.

00:55:40.000 But there's some pretty strong content on there that hasn't been touched.

00:55:43.000 There is, right?

00:55:43.000 Now, they censored Alex Jones.

00:55:45.000 That's bad, but that was part of a coordinated effort that we should learn from.

00:55:48.000 So I'm not going to defend Apple, but I've never had an episode on Apple striked or removed.

00:55:53.000 And I've done over 2,900 podcasts on Apple over the last four years.

00:56:00.000 Go to the next one.

00:56:01.000 And we have one of the top, we have the top five conservative podcasts on all of Apple.

00:56:01.000 Yeah.

00:56:05.000 Always.

00:56:06.000 Yeah, just consistently.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, we're top 20 in all news, usually, top 15, but out of conservative.

00:56:10.000 You put a pile out.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, we do three a day.

00:56:13.000 We are the highest output and still hitting the tops.

00:56:17.000 Yeah, and we're, yeah.

00:56:18.000 Thank you.

00:56:18.000 Congratulations.

00:56:19.000 That just shows how good your content is.

00:56:20.000 Praise God.

00:56:21.000 Yeah, we have 39,000 reviews, which has taken a lot of work to get there.

00:56:25.000 So I think Ben is number one with like 100,000 something, then Shapiro, and then I think we're number three.

00:56:30.000 The reviews really tell you a lot, but again, it vacillates.

00:56:33.000 Walsh is ascendant.

00:56:35.000 I love Matt Walsh.

00:56:35.000 God bless him.

00:56:36.000 He's beating us in downloads right now.

00:56:38.000 So we're probably four or five on some days in the conservative, sometimes seven, sometimes two.

00:56:43.000 Depends on our topic.

00:56:44.000 Depends on our guests.

00:56:45.000 But look, four years ago, our producer, producer Andrew and I, we started this podcast and we had a vision.

00:56:50.000 And we said, hey, you know, podcasting is the future.

00:56:53.000 And we used to do one once a week.

00:56:53.000 Let's go all in.

00:56:55.000 And then COVID happened and I don't sit still well.

00:56:58.000 So then we went every day.

00:57:00.000 And then we said, well, what if we turn that into a radio program?

00:57:02.000 So then we also do 140 radio stations every day.

00:57:05.000 And then we're also now on Real America's Voice, which is a fabulous station, television station.

00:57:10.000 So we're kind of the only show that does radio, TV, podcasting, live stream every day.

00:57:17.000 And so we're very blessed.

00:57:19.000 It's really, and at the rate that you grew.

00:57:22.000 Now, you know, we always talk about it now.

00:57:24.000 Now everybody gets rewarded for every, everybody has to be equal, right?

00:57:28.000 You know, everybody gets the trophy, this, that, the other.

00:57:31.000 So, you know, somebody may be listening to this.

00:57:33.000 Like, what did you do that at, you know, 28, you're on Fox business?

00:57:37.000 29, 29 now.

00:57:38.000 29.

00:57:39.000 I'm too old for this stuff.

00:57:40.000 And in high school, you were doing the thing in high school where you actually made a move with the cookies.

00:57:46.000 That's a funny story.

00:57:47.000 You got to tell you that.

00:57:47.000 It's a wild story.

00:57:48.000 But, but how did you, you know, maybe that's where it kind of starts.

00:57:51.000 But how did you get so successful, so quick at the 2016 campaign?

00:57:56.000 I mean, you're doing major things.

00:57:58.000 30 30 at 30 in Forbes.

00:58:01.000 I mean, buddy, that's great stuff.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, I mean, look, the Lord has blessed me significantly, and I'm just an instrument for his will, and I don't say that lightly of a great team, and things really fell into place.

00:58:13.000 But there's nothing like a decade-long overnight success story.

00:58:17.000 So, people, you know, I get some critics, and they say, Oh, Charlie, you know, you're just you kind of fell in, and you haven't done anything.

00:58:24.000 Look, in the last 10 years, I've traveled.

00:58:26.000 I've never done anything.

00:58:27.000 Well, I get a lot of critics, but I've traveled 2,930 days in the last decade.

00:58:32.000 I'm a million-mile mile club in every commercial airline, United Delta, and American.

00:58:37.000 I've flown 1.8 million miles of American.

00:58:39.000 But you haven't done anything.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, but people might say that's glamorous.

00:58:42.000 Travel will wear you down.

00:58:44.000 And so I was everywhere at any time, speaking, raising money.

00:58:49.000 And not to mention, you know, Turning Point has a $70 million budget now, and we have 350 employees.

00:58:54.000 And so.

00:58:55.000 But initially, initially, what did you do?

00:58:57.000 Like you saw that you wanted limited government and loved the Constitution.

00:59:03.000 That was always my sense, and it still is.

00:59:05.000 The actual Constitution.

00:59:06.000 Yes, the promise of the founders has remained my North Star.

00:59:10.000 So you decide to start Turning Point.

00:59:12.000 So where do you go from there to get it to grow so quickly?

00:59:16.000 Well, not going to college was my first key decision.

00:59:18.000 That was the first good move.

00:59:20.000 And I got a great mentor.

00:59:21.000 May he rest in peace, Bill Montgomery.

00:59:22.000 I was 18.

00:59:23.000 He was 72, and he was a great mentor.

00:59:26.000 I'm sorry to hear that.

00:59:28.000 Yeah.

00:59:29.000 No, yeah, but his legacy lives on, and he lived a full life, and he left something bigger than him, which is a beautiful thing.

00:59:35.000 We should all desire to do that.

00:59:36.000 Turning point is his legacy, Bill Montgomery.

00:59:39.000 Foster Fries II, who passed away recently, was one of our first donors.

00:59:42.000 But I've always had drive and I've always had the ability to hustle.

00:59:47.000 But if I had to kind of distill it, is that I just was relentless.

00:59:51.000 And I was relentless.

00:59:53.000 I was ridiculously honest with my failures of, you know, not doing well in meetings, not doing well in interviews, and seeking to improve.

01:00:01.000 I'm massive on self-improvement.

01:00:04.000 I'm a big believer in free will and agency, and that if you do small things every day, you could become something pretty excellent.

01:00:11.000 And then I took every opportunity.

01:00:15.000 But also, I have to make sure it's clear.

01:00:17.000 I mean, if I were to thank the people that catapulted me, and this is one of the main reasons I support him in 2024, I would not be in the professional or organizational position I'm in if it wasn't for the generosity of President Trump.

01:00:29.000 He was amazing to me.

01:00:31.000 And I mean, people crap on him all the time.

01:00:34.000 Whatever.

01:00:35.000 And, you know, I had a donor recently.

01:00:35.000 I roll my eyes.

01:00:37.000 They said, why do you support him in 2024?

01:00:39.000 I said, well, look, despite the fact he was a great president and that I think he'll win again, I have a personal debt to him and a loyalty because he was so magnanimous to me.

01:00:51.000 I mean, here I am 24 years old.

01:00:53.000 He's having me in the Oval Office.

01:00:55.000 The president does that.

01:00:56.000 How did you even get that?

01:00:57.000 Right place, right?

01:00:59.000 Right place, right time.

01:01:00.000 I met Don Jr. in the summer of 2016.

01:01:03.000 I took four or five months off of running Turning Point USA and I became his bodyman.

01:01:09.000 And I traveled with Don.

01:01:10.000 We did 100 days on the road back when everyone thought there was no chance of Trump being president.

01:01:15.000 And I thought it was the coolest thing ever.

01:01:17.000 And I wasn't even a Trump guy in the primary.

01:01:19.000 I was a cruise guy, but I quickly became a believer.

01:01:22.000 How funny is that?

01:01:23.000 And I got Don Diet Red Bulls and no, zero calorie Red Bulls.

01:01:29.000 I think that's the actual vocabulary.

01:01:32.000 And energy drinks.

01:01:33.000 And I would take pictures.

01:01:34.000 And I was his bodyman, which is funny because I always tell people, I say, I know what it takes to be a good bodyman because I was one for 100 days.

01:01:42.000 And you wake up before he does, you wait for him in the lobby.

01:01:45.000 And it wasn't that official because there was no campaign.

01:01:49.000 They accused us of colluding with Russia.

01:01:51.000 We couldn't collude to order a pizza, right?

01:01:54.000 We would confuse Cincinnati with Columbus, with Cleveland all the time.

01:01:57.000 But it was the most fun, right?

01:01:57.000 Yeah.

01:01:59.000 It was raw.

01:02:00.000 It was authentic.

01:02:00.000 It was organic.

01:02:03.000 I convinced Don, and he'll tell you the story, to go to college campuses, and he began to speak on campuses.

01:02:10.000 We visited Michigan 15 times, which we end up winning.

01:02:13.000 I predicted we'd win Michigan in September of 2020, and my prediction ended up being right.

01:02:18.000 And so that basis of my friendship with Don is what then connected me with President Trump.

01:02:23.000 And the family was amazing to me.

01:02:26.000 The Trump family, they're fabulous.

01:02:28.000 They're generous.

01:02:29.000 They're committed patriots.

01:02:31.000 Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Tiffany, Don, they're amazing.

01:02:35.000 And so the story of Charlie Kirk would not exist without President Trump saying, you know what, I believe in you.

01:02:43.000 And we did events at the White House.

01:02:46.000 He would constantly promote us on social media.

01:02:48.000 And he platformed us into a player.

01:02:50.000 And with that came a cost because the media then wanted to take us off, take us out.

01:02:54.000 So we had to deal with that.

01:02:55.000 And it was a wild four years.

01:02:57.000 But it gave us an opportunity to build an infrastructure, raise more money, use the notoriety for good.

01:03:04.000 And so whenever I tell the story, I just hope everyone understands that without President Trump, my own personal success, whatever that might be, and the success of the turning point machine now wouldn't be possible without President Trump.

01:03:16.000 And he didn't stab him in the back.

01:03:18.000 No, no, I'm saying you didn't stab him in the back.

01:03:21.000 You could probably count.

01:03:22.000 He probably can count on five fingers how many people standing in the middle of the moment.

01:03:24.000 No, I'm fiercely loyal to him.

01:03:26.000 I'm also honest.

01:03:27.000 I'll be honest with some mistakes I think he's made.

01:03:29.000 I think the vaccine thing's a big mistake, and he's got to correct it.

01:03:32.000 I think some of the personnel he's had around him.

01:03:35.000 That's why I say that, because you see all these people that were so buddy buddy.

01:03:38.000 He drives me crazy, though.

01:03:39.000 Trump, Trump. 0.60

01:03:41.000 How many people do you think stabbed him in his back that he gave chances and does it?

01:03:45.000 That's why I said, you know, thank you.

01:03:47.000 Congratulations for not stabbing a friend in the back.

01:03:49.000 And I never will.

01:03:50.000 And I'll never forget, you know, here I am, a kid that doesn't go to college, sitting in the outer oval with the president for an hour and a half, two hours, getting invited on Air Force One.

01:04:00.000 I mean, yeah, I owe something to that man.

01:04:02.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 And I'm going to go to war for him.

01:04:04.000 He and I talk about this.

01:04:05.000 Metaphorical war, media man.

01:04:06.000 Yeah, we call it old school because it's not like it's a good idea.

01:04:09.000 I'm going to go to the map for Trump.

01:04:10.000 Yeah, but I mean, that's a loyalty thing.

01:04:13.000 It's a loyalty thing.

01:04:14.000 But also, I think he's a great president.

01:04:15.000 I believe in his agenda.

01:04:16.000 And I literally wrote the book MAGA Doctrine.

01:04:18.000 But I hope people understand this is a good man.

01:04:21.000 This is a man that has helped create movements bigger than himself.

01:04:24.000 Well, you didn't see any war problems.

01:04:26.000 You didn't see Putin making any moves.

01:04:28.000 You didn't see North Korea shooting missiles whenever they wanted, whenever they felt like it.

01:04:32.000 No, and I mean, and here's the thing is that I tell people about Trump all the time, and I've had a great opportunity to spend a lot of time with him, is that I hear nothing but the negatives.

01:04:42.000 But do we ever talk about the virtues of Trump?

01:04:44.000 That's what I say too.

01:04:45.000 Right?

01:04:46.000 Okay, if you're intellectually honest about any being that is larger than life, okay, can you, with an equal footing, say, okay, yeah, he's a narcissist, all that.

01:04:57.000 I don't think he is, but egomaniacal.

01:04:59.000 I hear all of it.

01:05:00.000 Can you also say that he's relentless and he's patriotic?

01:05:03.000 Drive.

01:05:04.000 That he loves this.

01:05:06.000 And that he believes in other people and he's creative and he's funny and he's endearing and that he's got more energy than any single human being I've ever come across.

01:05:06.000 Yes.

01:05:16.000 And I'm a high energy guy and he wears me out. 0.98

01:05:20.000 And I mean, I'm like a three-hour guy and he's like a freaking beast.

01:05:24.000 He's got this like supernatural life force. 0.74

01:05:27.000 And I mean, you sit with him at dinner.

01:05:29.000 He's just like, and then Lindsey Graham said this and Chuck Schumer this.

01:05:34.000 And he's like pointing out women there.

01:05:36.000 And he's like, this and that.

01:05:38.000 I think it's amazing.

01:05:39.000 I don't know if it's out yet, but the book where he's going to show all the letters that people wrote to him.

01:05:43.000 Letters to Trump.

01:05:44.000 Everyone should check it out. 1.00

01:05:45.000 All of a sudden they talk all this shit on him. 0.99

01:05:48.000 But I think the most fucked up part with it all is when in any party, a Democrat or Republican, when they go after kids and the family, leave them alone. 0.99

01:05:57.000 Like his son, his son has nothing to do with him. 0.99

01:06:01.000 You could hate him all you want.

01:06:03.000 You could hate Hillary Clinton all you want.

01:06:04.000 You can tell these people all you want, but it's like, leave the kids out of it.

01:06:07.000 They have nothing to do with it.

01:06:08.000 Oh, I think I totally agree.

01:06:09.000 And I mean, so I was very close with Don during the whole Mueller-Russia colloquium.

01:06:13.000 Remember, they tried to put Don in prison.

01:06:15.000 Right?

01:06:15.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 And of course, you know, he did nothing versus Hunter Biden.

01:06:19.000 It's just insane.

01:06:20.000 But you can, you know, being a father is hard.

01:06:23.000 And as you well know, it takes work.

01:06:25.000 President Trump raised some great kids.

01:06:28.000 Those are, they are some of the best people that I've ever met.

01:06:31.000 They're honest, they're ethical, they're loyal, and they're helpful to me and to the country.

01:06:36.000 So, anyway, I don't mean to riff too much on the Trump thing.

01:06:38.000 I just think he gets such a negative rap.

01:06:40.000 And as someone, I call him a friend, I'm all in.

01:06:44.000 And I just think anybody with a brain, I don't care what you're for, if you take away the he's not presidential, I look at their president.

01:06:50.000 You mean nuts, you mean that the country was better or worse?

01:06:53.000 That's what I'm saying, right?

01:06:54.000 Okay, you didn't like his jokes.

01:06:55.000 Okay, well, I mean, I know, I know me and him ran home to see the six o'clock.

01:07:00.000 It was great.

01:07:01.000 Okay, so you don't like the way he talks.

01:07:02.000 Okay, well, look what he did.

01:07:04.000 Look how the country was ran.

01:07:05.000 Look at how the world was.

01:07:07.000 Right.

01:07:07.000 That's what I'm trying to say.

01:07:08.000 So get rid of this whole thing where, okay, he's not presidential.

01:07:11.000 Look what he did versus whatever you want to call it.

01:07:14.000 So I think we need to.

01:07:15.000 Look, I think he's going to be the nominee.

01:07:17.000 I'm also very close with Ron DeSantis, and I'm friends with Ron.

01:07:22.000 And at this point, he's not going to be the nominee.

01:07:25.000 Trump will be the nominee.

01:07:26.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.000 And we got to coalesce behind him, and we have to make the appropriate investments in Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin to win.

01:07:34.000 And we can win.

01:07:36.000 Now, you're always at the top of Twitter.

01:07:38.000 I think Trump is the only one that's ahead of you, right?

01:07:40.000 As conservative, he's the piece of that huge on Twitter.

01:07:42.000 Yeah, it's I used to be kind of one of the, I was the third biggest Twitter account, according to Axios, most engaged, not biggest, by followers, or fourth.

01:07:52.000 You guys could get the citation.

01:07:54.000 And then went totally and I got totally shadow banned for years.

01:07:58.000 Now we're back now that Elon owns Twitter.

01:08:00.000 So we're back on top.

01:08:02.000 So what changes do you think we'll expect?

01:08:04.000 And does he have the source code yet?

01:08:06.000 I know he had a way less.

01:08:07.000 I have no idea.

01:08:07.000 There's something.

01:08:09.000 There's a lot of expectations Elon has set that have yet to come true.

01:08:13.000 I'm a massive Elon Musk fan.

01:08:15.000 I just think the world of him.

01:08:16.000 Our politics are not totally aligned.

01:08:18.000 I love entrepreneurs.

01:08:20.000 I love people that want to work relentlessly to push themselves and to create new things.

01:08:26.000 I hate complainers, and Elon's not a complainer.

01:08:28.000 So I'm just a massive Elon Musk fan.

01:08:30.000 With that being said, he said that we're going to see stuff on Fauci that would put him in prison.

01:08:34.000 We haven't seen that yet.

01:08:35.000 We don't know about the source code.

01:08:37.000 We don't know about the algorithms.

01:08:38.000 Yeah, that's Twitter here.

01:08:39.000 Unbelievable.

01:08:40.000 So yeah, it should, that's with Twitter kind of flatlining the last couple of years.

01:08:45.000 We're finally back at it.

01:08:46.000 So I was like, literally, the first pinned tweet I was placed on Twitter's blacklist because that was part of the Twitter files.

01:08:52.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 Is they put a do not amplify tag on my.

01:08:57.000 Let me get your opinion on this.

01:08:59.000 So this is my opinion.

01:09:01.000 I think Jack Dorsey I've met with him before.

01:09:05.000 Well, then you can give me no, please tell me.

01:09:05.000 Okay.

01:09:08.000 I don't think he meant for Twitter to go the way it went.

01:09:11.000 I think maybe he meant for Twitter like one, very restricted, one open.

01:09:16.000 And then I think his board took over and just overpowered him.

01:09:21.000 Then I saw him, Elon, and Jack kind of hanging out a lot.

01:09:24.000 And I thought, okay, well, maybe Elon's going to have Jack run it the way he originally wanted to.

01:09:30.000 Or am I completely off?

01:09:31.000 No, you're right.

01:09:32.000 So when I met with Jack, boy, in the summer of 18 with Candace, I think that was about right.

01:09:37.000 Summer 18.

01:09:38.000 Fall of 18.

01:09:39.000 He seemed like he was taken hostage by his own company.

01:09:42.000 Hired up too fast, too many left-wing, University of California, Berkeley.

01:09:47.000 And he was just kind of a hostage of the revolutionaries.

01:09:52.000 I actually liked Jack personally.

01:09:55.000 I think he lied to me, even though I liked him because he claimed there was no blacklist, and there was a blacklist.

01:10:01.000 We know that because of the Twitter files, where my account literally said do not amplify.

01:10:06.000 Because, look, I started using Twitter in, what, 2011?

01:10:09.000 That's an early Twitter account, right?

01:10:11.000 I remember where I was when I created it.

01:10:13.000 It was a computer class in high school, and I kind of figured it out.

01:10:16.000 I figured out how to go viral.

01:10:18.000 And so we had literally one of the most powerful Twitter accounts on the planet.

01:10:23.000 And Jack complimented me.

01:10:24.000 He's like, wow, you've really figured this platform out.

01:10:26.000 Tweet frequency, vernacular.

01:10:29.000 I figured out how to really make things trend.

01:10:31.000 And so my Twitter account was a direct threat to the regime.

01:10:35.000 And so they had to shut me up.

01:10:37.000 And so Jack probably was aware of that.

01:10:41.000 And so that's a big disappointment.

01:10:42.000 If I ever see him again, I'll ask him about it.

01:10:44.000 But he was probably also tied, hands-tied with the board and everybody else on him.

01:10:48.000 Or the FBI and the CDC told him to do it.

01:10:50.000 That's probably more out of it.

01:10:51.000 The CDC probably, because my Twitter account was really piercing some of the COVID lies early.

01:10:57.000 And then the New York Times wrote a huge article.

01:10:59.000 I was on the front page of the New York Times in April 2020 that said I'm a chief spreader of COVID misinformation.

01:11:05.000 I guarantee you they used that article as a reason to do not amplify me.

01:11:09.000 And I'm sure that went with everything else, Facebook.

01:11:11.000 What do you think of Facebook?

01:11:13.000 It's a failing company.

01:11:16.000 Instagram has been a good platform for us.

01:11:19.000 We have 2.1 million followers on Instagram.

01:11:21.000 Zuckerberg, I've actually spoken with him a couple times about other issues because I was complaining about stuff.

01:11:28.000 Somebody connected us and I haven't spoken to him in years.

01:11:30.000 I'm really upset with what he did in the 2020 election.

01:11:33.000 That $400 million for the Center for Technology and Civic Life, I basically severed all ties.

01:11:38.000 I said, we're done.

01:11:39.000 See, now, do you think he even knew what he was doing?

01:11:42.000 I have no idea.

01:11:43.000 My working hypothesis, and I want to be very clear, Facebook, out of all the social media companies, Facebook is probably not the easiest to work with, but they're not as tyrannical as Twitter was.

01:11:57.000 YouTube is becoming worse.

01:11:59.000 TikTok is a waste of time.

01:12:00.000 They're awful.

01:12:01.000 And we could talk about TikTok if you want.

01:12:04.000 I stopped on there.

01:12:05.000 What?

01:12:05.000 I stopped on there.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, I stopped.

01:12:07.000 It's just terrible.

01:12:07.000 I haven't stopped on Twitter.

01:12:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm finding newfound life on Twitter, which I love.

01:12:15.000 And I'm kind of a Twitter guy.

01:12:17.000 I grew up on the platform.

01:12:18.000 So, yeah, look, Instagram is a great platform for us.

01:12:21.000 We engage a ton of people and reach literally millions of people.

01:12:24.000 It's interesting how Instagram, like for me, Instagram allows everything to go pretty much.

01:12:30.000 But Facebook for me does not, depending on who it is.

01:12:32.000 Same company, different protocols.

01:12:34.000 Instagram, they're a lot more laissez-faire.

01:12:37.000 Facebook has become very, very hard for us to distribute.

01:12:40.000 Actual Facebook, not Instagram.

01:12:42.000 And so, look, I think Zuckerberg was...

01:12:44.000 I think Zuckerberg was approached by somebody in 2020 with a threat because Facebook was being investigated by the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC.

01:12:58.000 And it very well could have broke up the entire company.

01:13:00.000 And knowing the way the left operates, what I believe happened is somebody came to him and said, wow, you know, it probably wasn't this blunt, but it was probably close.

01:13:08.000 You know, that FTC investigation is really dangerous.

01:13:12.000 You know, there's a big need for a $400 million cash infusion for private Dropboxes in the Battleground States.

01:13:18.000 What do you think about that, Mark?

01:13:20.000 And he weighs out his options, and he's obsessed with his metaverse, remember?

01:13:24.000 Which is a failure so far.

01:13:26.000 It seems like he dumped all his stuff. 0.99

01:13:28.000 The tech sucks. 0.63

01:13:32.000 I actually thought the other day, if I was the CEO of Facebook, I don't know how I would turn that thing into a winner. 0.96

01:13:38.000 I don't know.

01:13:39.000 I think he went too far with that.

01:13:40.000 Because he bought Oculus from Palmer Lucky.

01:13:43.000 And the tech is not that good.

01:13:45.000 People just, they use it here and there, but it hasn't caught on the way people thought it would.

01:13:49.000 They thought it would be the new television, and it hasn't.

01:13:51.000 Well, remember, we thought we were going to put it on.

01:13:53.000 We would be four seats at the Lakers game, like perfectly.

01:13:56.000 But the tech is not that good.

01:13:57.000 It's not.

01:13:58.000 It's actually nicer to just watch it on TV.

01:14:00.000 Just get a nicer TV.

01:14:01.000 And also, there seems to be some tech skepticism setting in where people are like.

01:14:06.000 Yeah, I got enough tech.

01:14:07.000 I got my phone.

01:14:08.000 I got my watch.

01:14:08.000 I'll just kind of watch the game on TV.

01:14:10.000 I need some separation.

01:14:11.000 From goggles and everything.

01:14:13.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

01:14:14.000 Absolutely.

01:14:14.000 And so, but also the kind of metaverse, it feels like Sims.

01:14:19.000 It doesn't even feel that tech.

01:14:21.000 It's not that realistic.

01:14:22.000 It's not that, I mean, I played Sims in like 2005.

01:14:27.000 It hasn't advanced much in 17 years.

01:14:29.000 Next thing you know, we'll be playing Zelda again.

01:14:31.000 Well, yeah, or Age of Empire or RuneScape or whatever.

01:14:31.000 I don't know if you're doing it.

01:14:37.000 It's just not that high definition.

01:14:39.000 And so you have a multi-billion dollar investment.

01:14:43.000 And they have some, if you go to their stockholder, because I used to actually own stock on Facebook, I sold at the right time.

01:14:49.000 The stock is down huge.

01:14:50.000 If you actually read their reports, which I just, you know, do in my free time, they really think the metaverse is still the future.

01:14:56.000 That's what they're telling their shareholders.

01:14:58.000 They're investing a ton of money.

01:14:59.000 I'm a skeptic.

01:15:00.000 I don't think so.

01:15:01.000 I think they might, what they're trying to do medically looks interesting as far as doctors could help other doctors in surgery rooms and operating rooms and actually be there.

01:15:13.000 But I don't know how that's any different than just having a live camera.

01:15:16.000 I'm not, and so I'm not a believer.

01:15:20.000 I think Facebook's in big trouble.

01:15:22.000 WhatsApp is not being used the same way it was.

01:15:25.000 There's huge questions about the security of WhatsApp.

01:15:27.000 Telegram is ascendant, right?

01:15:29.000 And there's other messaging platforms.

01:15:32.000 Facebook itself, actual Facebook, is just boomer book now, which is fine.

01:15:37.000 But basically, it's only used by people over the age of 50.

01:15:40.000 Nobody young uses it.

01:15:41.000 And Instagram is in the battle of their life for TikTok, which is a nice segue if you want to talk about TikTok for a second.

01:15:47.000 I'm not a fan of TikTok.

01:15:48.000 That Restrict Act is one of the most dangerous things I've ever seen.

01:15:51.000 Explain to everybody what that is.

01:15:52.000 Yeah, so I think TikTok is digital fentanyl.

01:15:55.000 Let me be very clear.

01:15:56.000 I'm not a fan of TikTok.

01:15:57.000 I don't use it.

01:15:58.000 I mean, I have a lot of complaints about it.

01:16:01.000 But the regime in DC is using the hatred of TikTok as basically an excuse to be able to ban any speech they do not like, to control the entire internet.

01:16:11.000 So they passed that pass.

01:16:13.000 They've introduced this bill, the Restrict Act, which would create absolute Soviet tyranny on the internet.

01:16:18.000 So Twitter, Rumble, Telegram, all because they have foreign partners, they could use this act to completely shut down those applications, which are used mainly by right-wing actors.

01:16:29.000 You could see them try to do this.

01:16:31.000 And you know, they can't wait to do that with Twitter.

01:16:33.000 And so my current belief is that TikTok bad, the way DC operates, banning TikTok worse.

01:16:33.000 Well, that's right.

01:16:41.000 And I say that really reluctantly because my gut instinct is ban TikTok.

01:16:45.000 Right.

01:16:46.000 But I don't trust these people at all.

01:16:47.000 I do not want to give them banning authority over my podcast.

01:16:52.000 So do I have to live in a world where TikTok exists?

01:16:54.000 Reluctantly, yes, if that means I can still operate with my podcast and Rumble and all these other channels.

01:17:02.000 But understand, when you started to see TikTok CEOs testifying in front of Congress, who do you think is pushing that?

01:17:09.000 The tech companies.

01:17:11.000 If you go back to YouTube, YouTube Shorts and Instagram Reels, YouTube and Instagram have compiled, Google and Instagram, Google and Facebook, let me be even more specific, have combined a very secret alliance that no one's talking about right now, where they have thousands of lobbyists where they're trying to ban TikTok because it will help their company.

01:17:30.000 Right.

01:17:31.000 I get it.

01:17:32.000 I'm not actually totally opposed to that.

01:17:34.000 The problem is that Facebook and Google have a deeper plan.

01:17:39.000 They want the government to ban future competitors.

01:17:43.000 For example, Facebook would love to be able to ban Telegram because it would help WhatsApp.

01:17:49.000 Yeah.

01:17:50.000 Google would love to be able to ban Rumble because it will help YouTube.

01:17:54.000 Understand the game that you're seeing is not the actual game.

01:17:58.000 There's this whole other subterranean movement happening below the surface where it's like, oh, yeah, CCP owns TikTok.

01:18:07.000 Therefore, we must ban.

01:18:09.000 But who's really pushing this?

01:18:10.000 And why?

01:18:11.000 And what kind of power are we going to give them?

01:18:13.000 And then the government comes in and says, okay, well, YouTube, this is how we want things to go.

01:18:17.000 Or sorry, Google, which is a complete monopoly.

01:18:20.000 Yep.

01:18:21.000 Facebook, which is a complete monopoly.

01:18:22.000 You have WhatsApp.

01:18:23.000 You have new rules on disinformation.

01:18:25.000 Yeah, make sure you put those in right now.

01:18:27.000 And then once they ban TikTok, now they have the right to ban anybody that's going to be able to do it.

01:18:31.000 And so I think TikTok.

01:18:33.000 I'm sorry, Charlie.

01:18:34.000 Don't you see the same, and this is on the same set of lines there.

01:18:37.000 Don't you see the same thing happening with the banks that they want all these banks to fail so they have, whether they're Bank of America, Wells, Fargo, four major, whoever those are, four major, and then they can control that also.

01:18:50.000 How many car companies do we have?

01:18:53.000 How many credit cards?

01:18:53.000 Three.

01:18:55.000 How many credit card companies do we have?

01:18:56.000 Really, three.

01:18:57.000 Three.

01:18:57.000 Visa, MasterCard, American Express.

01:18:59.000 I couldn't believe Volkswagen made Bentley.

01:19:01.000 Yeah.

01:19:01.000 And then I couldn't believe Volkswagen made Lamborghini.

01:19:03.000 Well, those are German companies.

01:19:05.000 Yeah, I just couldn't believe that.

01:19:06.000 But we have three car companies.

01:19:07.000 How many telecom companies do we have?

01:19:09.000 Basically three.

01:19:10.000 We have ATT, Verizon, and I mean, T-Mobile is a German company, so that doesn't even count.

01:19:16.000 What am I getting at here?

01:19:18.000 We basically have only a couple companies in every major sector right now.

01:19:22.000 How many direct-to-consumer home service companies do we have for like cleaning products?

01:19:26.000 Basically two, Procter ⁇ Gamble and Johnson ⁇ Johnson.

01:19:29.000 They just have umbrella on top of umbrella.

01:19:31.000 Well, yeah, and you don't even notice it because they have sub-brands that they've purchased.

01:19:34.000 How many soft drink companies do we have?

01:19:36.000 Two.

01:19:37.000 Pepsi-Cola and Coca-Cola.

01:19:38.000 Even Topachico has now been bought by Coca-Cola.

01:19:40.000 They just keep on buying and they keep on buying.

01:19:42.000 What I'm getting at.

01:19:43.000 And one more that's funny is PayPal and eBay.

01:19:46.000 Yeah.

01:19:47.000 They acted as if they separated.

01:19:49.000 Yeah.

01:19:49.000 Payment processors.

01:19:50.000 Sure.

01:19:50.000 This is crazy.

01:19:51.000 So basically, and this is what I'm a big free market guy, but we're actually seeing the hyper-corporatization of the country where you're getting three or four select politician-favored companies that control every sector.

01:20:06.000 Every single sector.

01:20:08.000 They want the, and next is banking.

01:20:11.000 So America was free because we had community banks.

01:20:15.000 The more we've had hyper Wall Street culture with the repeal of Glass Steagle, never should have happened, which was the convergence of investment banks and commercial banks.

01:20:23.000 We've seen this whole kind of new leviathan set in.

01:20:26.000 And so they want to get rid of community banks.

01:20:28.000 And the same way they want to try to only have a couple social media companies, a couple banks, couple soft drink companies.

01:20:34.000 Why do they only want a couple?

01:20:35.000 This is fascism.

01:20:37.000 They always warn against fascism.

01:20:39.000 This is fascism.

01:20:40.000 I want to go through these two, but I want to go back to TikTok.

01:20:43.000 So they ban TikTok, then they can ban everything.

01:20:46.000 So there's a bad idea.

01:20:47.000 We should not ban TikTok.

01:20:49.000 You've changed my mind.

01:20:50.000 I used to be where you were, right?

01:20:51.000 Because I was like, TikTok's awful.

01:20:53.000 It's too much.

01:20:53.000 They're downloading everything on my phone.

01:20:55.000 But you let them do that, then they can do everything.

01:20:57.000 Yeah, look, and I was, man, two months ago, I was right where you are.

01:21:00.000 Then I saw, I wasn't naive, but I was, I'm still in the belief.

01:21:04.000 If I had a magic wand and we had a functioning government and a prudent regulatory body, ban it in a second.

01:21:10.000 We have none of those things.

01:21:11.000 And then you look and you say to yourself, also, when I was seeing that, I was saying, okay, well, the reason why you want to ban TikTok is because Instagram, Facebook, blah, blah, blah, they're all doing the same thing.

01:21:21.000 They're just in the United States. 0.90

01:21:23.000 So you want to just pick TikTok as another distraction, diversion from really what's happening.

01:21:30.000 Yes.

01:21:31.000 But then when you throw on that layer of, okay, if we ban TikTok, even though it's in China, because that's the narrative.

01:21:38.000 That's the current excuse.

01:21:39.000 That's why we need your grillers out there.

01:21:41.000 Yeah, Telegram is founded by a Russian.

01:21:42.000 They'll ban Telegram in a second.

01:21:44.000 Rumble was founded in Canada.

01:21:44.000 They'll ban that.

01:21:46.000 Twitter is owned by Saudi shareholders.

01:21:50.000 They will just go right down the list.

01:21:53.000 These platforms that we use to literally get the word out, to challenge tyranny are next.

01:21:59.000 TikTok is a means to the end.

01:22:01.000 It is a prerequisite for mass regime censorship, the ban of TikTok.

01:22:05.000 I never thought I would say, just like I was.

01:22:07.000 will never buy Bitcoin, but I never thought I would say, I hope they do not ban TikTok.

01:22:13.000 TikTok stay alive.

01:22:14.000 There's a way to do it, which is the demand a private American company purchases it.

01:22:19.000 That's what Trump was trying to do.

01:22:20.000 That's right.

01:22:21.000 Yeah.

01:22:21.000 Try to have, and it's called like Project Texas or something, where you have some American companies buy it and onshore all the data, where therefore you have at least some form of a precedent that if you are owned by a bad foreign actor, you have to onshore the asset, and you cannot then ban Rumble, Telegram, Twitter.

01:22:44.000 Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, AOC, would love nothing more than to be able to get rid of Twitter, Rumble, and Telegram.

01:22:52.000 The American right lives on Twitter, Rumble, and Telegram right now. 0.88

01:22:56.000 It would destroy our movement.

01:22:58.000 I'm impressed with Rumble.

01:22:59.000 I thought they were going to be kind of like the one that pops up.

01:23:03.000 Yeah, I mean, all disclosures, I own stock in Rumble.

01:23:06.000 I'm not telling you to buy it.

01:23:08.000 So I push it.

01:23:11.000 But no, I'm a big Rumble believer, and I'm a bigger believer in what they're trying to do than even what they've done.

01:23:19.000 But they had an amazing earnings call recently, and they're not turning a profit yet, but they've doubled their revenue.

01:23:27.000 And think who they're going up against.

01:23:29.000 And it's not just what they're going up against, the suppression.

01:23:34.000 I mean, they have A-list blue chip talent, though.

01:23:37.000 They got Russell Brand.

01:23:39.000 They got Steven Crowder.

01:23:40.000 You're seeing one by one go over there.

01:23:42.000 Yep.

01:23:42.000 And we have more subs on Rumble than we do YouTube.

01:23:46.000 How nuts is that?

01:23:47.000 It's crazy.

01:23:48.000 Our live stream.

01:23:48.000 That just shows you how throttled it is.

01:23:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:51.000 And so, look, I think that the market opportunity for Rumble is extraordinary.

01:23:56.000 And it's going to take some work and take some time.

01:24:00.000 But they've built the company correctly where they have their own servers.

01:24:03.000 They've basically gone to a place where they're uncancelable.

01:24:07.000 The issue is the advertising networks, but that's small.

01:24:10.000 They can figure that out.

01:24:11.000 Now, to the banks.

01:24:12.000 So the credit unions. 0.82

01:24:14.000 You know, my mom always went to a credit union.

01:24:16.000 They're trying to obliterate.

01:24:17.000 She even went to a bank. 0.76

01:24:18.000 You know, Italian women don't trust banks at all. 0.94

01:24:18.000 She didn't trust banks. 0.94

01:24:20.000 They're smart.

01:24:21.000 Yeah, they're smart. 0.98

01:24:22.000 But what she did do is she went to credit unions.

01:24:24.000 So is a credit union an umbrella of, say, one of the three major ones, which we don't know.

01:24:31.000 From what I understand, though, the credit union has to be FDIC insured.

01:24:31.000 I'm not sure.

01:24:35.000 Therefore, I think it falls under federal regulation.

01:24:38.000 But at least from my experience, credit unions can be branches of a bank or a side project of a bank.

01:24:43.000 They want to get rid of the idea of local deposits.

01:24:47.000 They want to try to create three big banks, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, and the third.

01:24:52.000 We don't know what it's going to be.

01:24:53.000 Probably Bank of America will be the third, right?

01:24:55.000 Yeah, because they let anybody get a bank account.

01:24:57.000 I shouldn't say this, but my old driver was an immigrant.

01:25:01.000 It was an illegal immigrant trying to become illegal. 0.57

01:25:04.000 His kid got sick, you know, the whole nine story.

01:25:07.000 So we tried to get him in.

01:25:08.000 He had an appointment.

01:25:09.000 He had no social, no anything, and had a checking account at Bank of America.

01:25:13.000 Just walked in and walked.

01:25:14.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:25:15.000 I almost fell over.

01:25:16.000 So, wow. 0.93

01:25:17.000 And they, but BOA wants it that way because they want the increased deposits.

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 And so.

01:25:23.000 I bring that up because, you know, like, I think the border has to be for votes.

01:25:29.000 Oh, it's totally fine.

01:25:30.000 When you start thinking about the third, I just, that popped in my head because, sure.

01:25:33.000 Yeah, but it's more than the border, get the votes, do whatever.

01:25:37.000 It's for labor and it's also for an increased consumer base.

01:25:40.000 And so the oligarchs that run America, there's like four or five of them, they benefit tremendously from an increased consumer base using dollar bills, specifically Walmart and Amazon.

01:25:51.000 So, for example, there's something called remittances, where if you cross the border, you work here as a maid, you send money back, you remit money back to Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador.

01:26:01.000 It's like a $50 billion business.

01:26:03.000 The number one place where remittances are sent is the money table, the money exchange table at Walmart.

01:26:08.000 Wow.

01:26:09.000 And that's just one example of thousands I could come up with, right?

01:26:13.000 Not to mention low-wage labor for the hotel industry in Texas and Arizona.

01:26:17.000 You know, the low-wage labor for the Construction and Development Agency industry in Arizona, where I live, is a big thing.

01:26:24.000 But also, the more people exchanging in dollar bills in the low-wage kind of consumer goods area, it's really good for Amazon, really good for Walmart, really bad for middle-class America.

01:26:35.000 It's really bad for long-term wages.

01:26:37.000 But yeah, and then also the Democrats want it for votes.

01:26:40.000 You know, Target's involved in that too?

01:26:41.000 Joven was showing us and I was like, Target, but who knows what else they own that we just don't know that they own?

01:26:48.000 I don't know.

01:26:49.000 You know what's crazy?

01:26:50.000 Speaking of voting on that topic, I lived in Florida now for 12 years.

01:26:55.000 Okay.

01:26:55.000 Moved from Pennsylvania.

01:26:57.000 My brother-in-law lives in the same house we used to live in in Pennsylvania.

01:27:01.000 He texted me yesterday with a picture.

01:27:03.000 I got a jury summons.

01:27:06.000 I haven't lived in Pennsylvania in 12 years.

01:27:08.000 He goes, I also got last month a voter registration card for you in Pennsylvania.

01:27:14.000 I'm like, I haven't lived in that state for 12 years.

01:27:16.000 So isn't that kind of up?

01:27:19.000 So there's a voter registration for me in Pennsylvania.

01:27:21.000 Yep.

01:27:22.000 So now I have to call there and figure that out, right?

01:27:25.000 Because if not, you know, someone's going to vote under my name.

01:27:28.000 And you have your voter card here, too.

01:27:30.000 Wow.

01:27:30.000 Correct.

01:27:31.000 That's crazy.

01:27:32.000 Well, there's to go to a heads up of what they're going to try to do.

01:27:35.000 They're already beginning.

01:27:37.000 Now, do you see a one-world currency at some point?

01:27:37.000 Yep.

01:27:41.000 Do I see it?

01:27:42.000 I think that's the plan.

01:27:43.000 I mean, CBDC is the next plan, central bank digital currency.

01:27:47.000 That's their plan in the short and the immediate term.

01:27:50.000 And the American dollar and the pound are the only two currencies in the last hundred years that have not been reset.

01:27:56.000 I think they're going to try to get us towards a great reset.

01:27:59.000 Crypto and blockchain technology could be a solution, decentralized currency.

01:28:04.000 That's why I think there's a big push to try to outlaw it and hyper-regulate blockchain technology.

01:28:09.000 What do you think of Bitcoin?

01:28:11.000 What do I think of it as an investment?

01:28:12.000 Yeah, as an investment.

01:28:14.000 I don't recommend investment advice to people, but I do own Bitcoin.

01:28:18.000 I've made a bunch of money on crypto.

01:28:19.000 You're going to be very smart.

01:28:20.000 Yeah, but I bought at the right time and sold at the right time.

01:28:22.000 But I'm not an invest guy.

01:28:24.000 I never, because people actually listen to my advice and I never want them to lose money.

01:28:28.000 But I mean, I bought at the right time and I sold at the right time.

01:28:32.000 So, and then I bought more at the right time.

01:28:35.000 But I'm a big believer in the technology behind cryptocurrency.

01:28:39.000 The blockchain.

01:28:40.000 Correct.

01:28:41.000 Bitcoin is just as valuable as we believe it to be, similar to the dollar.

01:28:45.000 But I am a believer in the philosophy of decentralized blockchain technology that is transparent, that is public, that has a ledger that you can check and you can see all the transactions.

01:28:57.000 I think that builds faith in the currency itself.

01:29:00.000 And the dollar is the opposite.

01:29:01.000 The dollar is basically vapor.

01:29:04.000 We don't know how many dollar bills are out there.

01:29:06.000 We don't know who has them.

01:29:07.000 We don't know why who makes these decisions.

01:29:09.000 Bitcoin is the opposite, but it has plenty of problems.

01:29:12.000 The problem with Bitcoin is that the price is way too volatile, right?

01:29:18.000 Which is an indictment of the dollar.

01:29:19.000 I think Bitcoin's at like what, $26,000 today or $27,000?

01:29:22.000 About right?

01:29:23.000 $26,000?

01:29:25.000 I bought at the right time.

01:29:27.000 It's funny.

01:29:28.000 I didn't buy early enough.

01:29:29.000 Someone tried to get me to buy Bitcoin.

01:29:30.000 It was $100 a coin.

01:29:32.000 My friend bought it at $77.

01:29:34.000 Next thing I knew, No, no, he sold it.

01:29:37.000 He's got, you know, a $17 million house.

01:29:39.000 That wasn't worth it in his life.

01:29:41.000 I was about right.

01:29:41.000 Is it 28?

01:29:42.000 Yeah, so it's going up, actually.

01:29:43.000 So I don't give investment advice.

01:29:45.000 If you own Bitcoin, great.

01:29:46.000 You could lose a lot of money on it.

01:29:49.000 I also invest in crypto hedges, too, because I think I've made a fair amount of money on that, too.

01:29:54.000 But again, not an investment guy.

01:29:55.000 You guys should seek people that are far more into this than I am.

01:29:58.000 But I am a believer in the philosophy for sure.

01:30:01.000 And now we've seen China align with Russia, Serbia, somebody else.

01:30:08.000 I just saw it the other day.

01:30:10.000 And what's crazy is this is why, again, your reporting is so important because I had to dig for this.

01:30:18.000 I have to go on Brave to find some real news and go through some pages to see what's going on.

01:30:23.000 Because to me, it was just a matter of time before they started their alignment.

01:30:27.000 Now, they're trying to go to the yen, right?

01:30:30.000 To the one.

01:30:32.000 Y-U-A-N. 1.00

01:30:33.000 Yeah, the Chinese one. 1.00

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:34.000 That's okay.

01:30:35.000 I mean, you could pronounce it either way.

01:30:37.000 It's all the same thing.

01:30:38.000 So, yeah, I mean, look, the dollar is the world's reserve currency still.

01:30:42.000 But if you look at the percentage of transactions that involve America as the world reserve currency, 10 years ago, it was 70 to 75%.

01:30:50.000 Now it's below 60%.

01:30:52.000 So we're really lucky to live in America.

01:30:55.000 We're really thank.

01:30:56.000 We should be thankful.

01:30:58.000 The world order that was put in post-World War II, the kind of neoliberal order has its problems.

01:31:03.000 But we've become super rich in this country because we are the world's reserve currency.

01:31:07.000 It kind of is our secret weapon, if you will, the secret sauce.

01:31:11.000 Now, they're going to have trouble getting off the dollar as the world reserve currency for a lot of reasons.

01:31:16.000 There are countries that the two major countries that backstop us is Germany and Japan.

01:31:21.000 And the only benefit of our hyper involvement in this stupid war in eastern Ukraine is that Germany's not going to get off the dollar anytime soon as their world reserve currency. 0.66

01:31:31.000 The Euro is going to be backed by the dollar. 0.95

01:31:33.000 That's really good for our wealth.

01:31:34.000 Japan, the same way.

01:31:36.000 So Japan and Germany are two foes in World War II.

01:31:39.000 And Korea, those three countries are very stable, industrious, that have legitimately valuable companies.

01:31:47.000 And that's a good thing for us.

01:31:48.000 The question is, what is Brazil and what is India going to do?

01:31:52.000 India should stay on the dollar, but they're tricksters, those guys. 1.00

01:31:55.000 I'll tell you what.

01:31:56.000 You can't trust them.

01:31:57.000 They're playing footse with all sorts of different people. 0.99

01:31:59.000 They should hate China. 0.70

01:32:01.000 India should be a close partner.

01:32:03.000 They should because they make quality products.

01:32:05.000 They do.

01:32:06.000 They should be partnering with us.

01:32:08.000 India should become the new China. 1.00

01:32:10.000 And they have massive poverty that could use low-wage labor.

01:32:14.000 And that's a separate issue.

01:32:15.000 Brazil, unfortunately, with the election of this communist, Lula, and getting rid of Bolsonaro.

01:32:21.000 But Brazil's a messed up country.

01:32:24.000 They only have like a trillion dollar GDP.

01:32:26.000 You could fact-check me.

01:32:27.000 I think it's like $1.2 trillion GDP.

01:32:29.000 The bulls on Brazil have been wrong the last 20 years.

01:32:31.000 Everyone's like, Brazil is the new China. 0.93

01:32:33.000 It just hasn't happened. 0.98

01:32:34.000 It's an unbelievably corrupt country.

01:32:36.000 It's natural resource dependent. 0.76

01:32:38.000 I was just going to say they're corrupt and what do they have?

01:32:41.000 I mean, the Amazon and they have natural resources, but they are not an entrepreneurial industrious people.

01:32:46.000 They try to cut part of the Amazon down.

01:32:50.000 Whereas Germany, Japan, and Korea are incredibly industrious people.

01:32:55.000 Germany, especially.

01:32:56.000 I can't tell you how powerful the German economy is.

01:32:59.000 Most Americans don't know this.

01:33:01.000 From Bayer to not just Porsche or Volkswagen, from just the little widgets we use in so many of our devices.

01:33:09.000 They have a massive chemical infrastructure.

01:33:11.000 They are a very wealthy country.

01:33:13.000 So that's a good thing.

01:33:14.000 That's working.

01:33:15.000 And the entire European project is supported by Germany, right?

01:33:19.000 And that's good.

01:33:20.000 Because I'm actually cheering for the dollar as the world reserve currency.

01:33:24.000 I don't want that to cease.

01:33:25.000 The big question is, why the heck are we allowing Saudi Arabia to do this, right?

01:33:29.000 I'm no fan of Saudi Arabia, but the petro dollar basically with the House Assaud, we built this whole project back in the 50s or 60s when we realized we're going to need a lot of oil.

01:33:40.000 We realized that Americans are driving more. 0.57

01:33:42.000 We realize that we need fossil fuel-based and Saudi Arabia and America came to kind of an agreement and we came up with OPEC, right?

01:33:48.000 Right.

01:33:49.000 Which is the oil, basically the oil-producing countries.

01:33:51.000 And we said the dollar is going to be the reserve of that.

01:33:54.000 Saudi Arabia is trying to mess all that up. 1.00

01:33:56.000 And Russia is the one that is hyper-involved in all this.

01:34:00.000 So the way it should be is that we shouldn't be involved in the war of eastern Ukraine, right?

01:34:04.000 We should be trying to broker peace.

01:34:06.000 We should try to get to Russia to have not gross to China. 0.68

01:34:09.000 And the obligation number one of the American ruling class should be to protect the dollar as the world reserve currency.

01:34:15.000 Now, you might say, well, Charlie, what does the world reserve currency mean?

01:34:18.000 Here's the best way I can explain it: it's that if you acknowledge the dollar as the world reserve currency, you have to change your home currency to dollars in order to trade, which therefore makes our currency more valuable.

01:34:28.000 Yeah, right.

01:34:29.000 It's very simple, right?

01:34:30.000 Which therefore makes our assets more valuable.

01:34:32.000 More people trade in dollars.

01:34:33.000 More people come to America. 0.81

01:34:34.000 More people use American companies.

01:34:36.000 It is kind of an unfair advantage that we have built into our economy.

01:34:40.000 And we're about to mess it up.

01:34:42.000 And we will be catastrophically poor if the world stops using the dollar.

01:34:46.000 But here it will go down, but then it will flatline because of what I just mentioned.

01:34:51.000 Europe and most of Asia will keep on using the dollar.

01:34:53.000 Africa will keep Africa doesn't have a lot of wealth. 0.99

01:34:56.000 God bless them, but they're just trying to figure themselves out, right?

01:34:59.000 So the question is: what will the Middle East do?

01:35:01.000 And that could make us pretty poor in the short term.

01:35:04.000 So correct me if I'm wrong.

01:35:06.000 We're sending trillions of dollars overall, whether you say, you know, with artillery, whatever, to Ukraine.

01:35:12.000 Not trillions, but I mean in total.

01:35:14.000 200 billion.

01:35:15.000 Okay, 200 billion.

01:35:16.000 But we're on pace.

01:35:17.000 We're on a good pace, okay?

01:35:19.000 To a country that NATO declined seven, eight times for nuke stuff or kids stuff, all kinds of naughty stuff. 0.61

01:35:27.000 We're giving it to them.

01:35:28.000 In my opinion, my opinion, that's getting laundered back, which is why this guy lives in a $30 million house when he makes $400K a year.

01:35:35.000 And Zelensky has a massive mansion.

01:35:38.000 That is that for a fact.

01:35:40.000 I know where it is, actually.

01:35:41.000 In the hills of Florence.

01:35:41.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 Isn't that funny?

01:35:43.000 Yeah.

01:35:44.000 And while we're doing that, aren't we buying gas or oil from Russia?

01:35:49.000 That's a good question.

01:35:50.000 I don't know if we suspended that or not.

01:35:52.000 But we were, though, right?

01:35:53.000 We were for quite some time.

01:35:55.000 Yes.

01:35:55.000 So we're sending one to fight the other.

01:35:57.000 Yes.

01:35:57.000 And then buying.

01:35:58.000 Who's the puppet master behind this guy?

01:36:00.000 Because it's not him.

01:36:02.000 Biden?

01:36:03.000 Yeah.

01:36:03.000 Well, I mean, the entire military-industrial complex regime in D.C., run by Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing.

01:36:11.000 Yeah, I mean, Boeing makes a ton of money off of these wars, right?

01:36:14.000 Yeah.

01:36:15.000 They make the planes that we're sending over there.

01:36:17.000 And Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon is the other one.

01:36:19.000 Those are the big defense contractors.

01:36:22.000 But yeah, I mean, look, it's less about who makes a bunch of money, and it's more about why are we involved in this in the first place?

01:36:31.000 And it's a series of bad mistakes and kind of a comedy of errors that all kind of comes back to a false premise that Russia is the great evil.

01:36:40.000 I'm not a fan of Vladimir Putin.

01:36:42.000 I don't think very highly of him at all. 1.00

01:36:43.000 I actually think he's a scumbag, to be honest. 0.99

01:36:46.000 But I don't think we should be funding a proxy war against him. 0.99

01:36:48.000 I think that's a big mistake.

01:36:50.000 I think peace could have been settled very early in this.

01:36:53.000 I think we also poked the Russian bear, and no one wants to talk about it.

01:36:56.000 I don't agree with me.

01:36:57.000 Like in this particular instance, Putin, they've been doing this forever.

01:37:00.000 Yes.

01:37:03.000 Leave him alone.

01:37:04.000 Or make the peace.

01:37:05.000 Make the peace.

01:37:06.000 Yes, exactly right.

01:37:07.000 We should not be sending weapons.

01:37:08.000 We should not be sending artillery.

01:37:10.000 We should not be sending money.

01:37:11.000 And Zelensky is a bad person that needs to be repeated.

01:37:15.000 He is not Churchill.

01:37:16.000 He is not a saint.

01:37:18.000 So you have two bad actors going to war with one another.

01:37:20.000 The tragedy is the refugees and the women and the children. 1.00

01:37:23.000 It's terrible.

01:37:24.000 No one likes war.

01:37:25.000 War is the worst thing human beings do.

01:37:27.000 And so we should try to end that.

01:37:29.000 And the consequence is Russia, after we slap on all these sanctions, Russia said, okay, fine, I'm going to go grow close to your great enemy, China, which has happened. 0.85

01:37:38.000 And we did that.

01:37:40.000 Our American government did that.

01:37:42.000 And meanwhile, Charlie, correct me if I'm wrong, China's like, hey, you need another 10 trillion?

01:37:46.000 Here you go.

01:37:47.000 Interest-free.

01:37:48.000 Here you go.

01:37:49.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 And again, China has their own forever.

01:37:52.000 Yeah, China has their own domestic currency problems, which we could exploit.

01:37:56.000 We could collapse the Chinese economy in 100 days. 0.99

01:37:58.000 I know it.

01:37:59.000 Yes.

01:38:00.000 And so they're trying to backstop their economy.

01:38:03.000 And the issue, so a lot of people say, oh, Charlie, if we stop trading with China, it would crash our economy.

01:38:09.000 It would be hard to get some products.

01:38:11.000 The biggest problem with China is that they own our elites. 1.00

01:38:15.000 That's the biggest problem: they've captured our powerful people, whether it be the head of the National Basketball Association, head of the banking cartel, the head of Hollywood, they make so much money off of the Chinese Communist Party personally.

01:38:31.000 And so, look, it's a mess.

01:38:32.000 I think Trump could solve this thing in an afternoon.

01:38:34.000 We have Joe Biden and his family are purchased by the Chinese Communist Party.

01:38:38.000 They want us distracted by Russia. 0.83

01:38:41.000 And you have kind of this octogenarian elite, people in their 80s in D.C., that think that Russia is this massive threat to America.

01:38:49.000 They're not.

01:38:50.000 Russia should be a soft ally in the fight against the Chinese Communist Party. 0.58

01:38:54.000 That's where Trump had them.

01:38:56.000 Trump had them in a place where they did not invade eastern Ukraine.

01:39:00.000 They were able to keep Crimea. 0.71

01:39:02.000 There was some little antagonism here or there, but Trump and Putin talked regularly.

01:39:06.000 They had the Helsinki summit in the summer of 2018.

01:39:10.000 And we were in a good place.

01:39:11.000 We were in a good spot.

01:39:13.000 And China was really worried, and we messed it all up.

01:39:15.000 And now they're smiling from they got the Kool-Aid smile now.

01:39:19.000 Yeah, look, and I want to be very clear.

01:39:21.000 A lot of that is kind of posturing.

01:39:24.000 The Chinese economy is far weaker than they'll put on. 0.99

01:39:27.000 These are tyrants and dictators. 1.00

01:39:28.000 They lie. 0.99

01:39:29.000 They have a lot of problems domestically in China.

01:39:31.000 A lot.

01:39:32.000 A lot of what you see is kind of a simulation.

01:39:34.000 But China's going to go aggressive soon to try to distract from their domestic problems.

01:39:38.000 They might try to go for Taiwan.

01:39:39.000 Good luck.

01:39:40.000 It's a tough island to take.

01:39:41.000 It's 2,000 miles of straight cliff.

01:39:43.000 And the Chinese Communist Party hasn't won a war in a long time.

01:39:45.000 I don't think they've ever won a war, let alone.

01:39:47.000 I mean, they're not exactly, they don't have a strong, rich military tradition there.

01:39:51.000 So the last time they really fought was us in the Korean War.

01:39:54.000 So good luck.

01:39:55.000 If they did anything, it would probably be techie, right?

01:39:57.000 Like if they hit their grid, I think that's right.

01:40:00.000 Yeah, but I don't think we should underestimate the Chinese Communist Party.

01:40:03.000 At the same time, they have an inferiority complex that is very mystical in China. 0.94

01:40:09.000 And the Japanese could exploit that because the Japanese dominated them for decades recently. 1.00

01:40:14.000 Anyway, that's a side note. 0.95

01:40:16.000 The CCP, evil, awful, terrible. 0.93

01:40:19.000 They got a lot of problems. 0.94

01:40:20.000 With the proper president, we could collapse their country if we wanted to.

01:40:24.000 And I think we should.

01:40:25.000 Who was telling us about the Chinese that they have cops here with China?

01:40:31.000 They're on China. 0.66

01:40:32.000 Yeah, they have police stations in New York City.

01:40:35.000 They closed one of them, thankfully, because of all these things.

01:40:37.000 Really, there are people in here from China.

01:40:39.000 Well, yes, Chinese Communist Party agents here to police Chinese citizens in America.

01:40:44.000 It's so messed up.

01:40:45.000 They closed one of the police stations, thankfully.

01:40:48.000 Can you pull up tab three and then I know?

01:40:49.000 Sure.

01:40:50.000 Yeah, I got like 10 minutes.

01:40:52.000 College scam.

01:40:52.000 I have to get to it.

01:40:53.000 Yeah, that's one of my favorite topics.

01:40:55.000 Yeah, so let's talk about that because, like I said, with Pat and many others, and I'm against it.

01:41:00.000 You didn't go to college.

01:41:01.000 I didn't go to college.

01:41:01.000 And we're sitting across from each other.

01:41:04.000 Tell us about the book.

01:41:05.000 Yeah, it's a fun project.

01:41:08.000 It's been probably one of my most successful things I've ever done.

01:41:12.000 And people are buying it like crazy.

01:41:14.000 If you guys want, you guys can check it out.

01:41:16.000 Hey, you got four and a half stars on Amazon.

01:41:19.000 That's not bad.

01:41:19.000 I actually haven't checked it in a while.

01:41:21.000 And so I asked the question: why do we send our kids to college?

01:41:24.000 And I believe it's a scam.

01:41:25.000 And I believe we have way too many kids going to college.

01:41:28.000 I think college has a place for some people, but not all people.

01:41:31.000 That's considered a thought crime.

01:41:33.000 And I think we need more welders and electricians and entrepreneurs.

01:41:37.000 And then the way I go about the book is it's very, very well researched.

01:41:40.000 It's very thoroughly developed, about 30 to 40 pages of footnotes at the end of the book.

01:41:44.000 And I go through a 10-page indictment of the college industry as if I'm a prosecutor and college is on trial.

01:41:50.000 Because I wrote it persuasively because this is such a thought crime.

01:41:54.000 It's so embedded in people's belief system.

01:41:58.000 Like you have to go to college.

01:41:59.000 I'm going after a sacred of sacred cow, right?

01:42:02.000 That you do not need to go to college.

01:42:04.000 It's actually overrated and it might be bad for you.

01:42:06.000 And so I go right after it.

01:42:08.000 And I make the contention, I think, rather thoroughly and comprehensively that college is bad for your soul.

01:42:14.000 It's bad for your mind.

01:42:15.000 It's bad for your wallet.

01:42:16.000 It's bad for your future.

01:42:18.000 And what would America look as if, what would America look like if 90% of kids actually didn't go to college?

01:42:24.000 And so I make that argument in the book.

01:42:25.000 And when you're writing this book, not all of it, just give me three things that shocked you, even knowing what you knew that factually shocked you.

01:42:34.000 And this book is facts.

01:42:35.000 It's super.

01:42:36.000 It's not your opinion or.

01:42:39.000 No, I wrote it really soberly.

01:42:41.000 I mean, I have even stronger opinions than what I articulate in the book.

01:42:45.000 And I say that.

01:42:46.000 I assume that from watching and reading other things.

01:42:50.000 But what were three things when writing that book that even shocked you?

01:42:55.000 So the first, I'll give you three numbers.

01:42:57.000 The first of which is how many kids actually graduate from college.

01:43:00.000 What do you think?

01:43:01.000 What do you think the national graduation rate is?

01:43:03.000 Enrollment to diploma.

01:43:06.000 What do you think, Rob?

01:43:07.000 I don't mean to put you on the spot.

01:43:08.000 Yeah, 42%.

01:43:11.000 Yeah, you're not off.

01:43:13.000 Well, so 42% drop out.

01:43:14.000 So you're not wrong.

01:43:15.000 So 59%.

01:43:16.000 So think about that.

01:43:17.000 41 to 42% don't ever make it to graduation.

01:43:20.000 They still have a bill.

01:43:21.000 And they still have a bill and they still have student debt.

01:43:23.000 That alone.

01:43:24.000 So if you and I go out for dinner and I say, hey, this restaurant, there's a 41% chance you get food poisoning.

01:43:32.000 You'd say, well, this place should be closed down.

01:43:34.000 What scam are they running here?

01:43:36.000 Or, hey, there's a 41% chance your plane is going to be delayed.

01:43:41.000 Let's pick a newer one.

01:43:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:43:42.000 By the way, that's probably true of most commercial air travel today.

01:43:46.000 But anyway, the point is that.

01:43:47.000 That's another story, right?

01:43:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:43:49.000 No industry could survive that way.

01:43:51.000 Okay.

01:43:52.000 The second one is about half of kids that end up graduating 10 years after end up getting jobs that do not require a college degree.

01:44:02.000 So why did they go in the first place?

01:44:04.000 Because their mom or dad or social pressure.

01:44:07.000 Social pressure.

01:44:08.000 And the third one is very interesting, which is, I knew this existed.

01:44:12.000 I knew it was there, but the numbers are so eye-popping, which is the endowments of these colleges.

01:44:18.000 So an endowment is a tax-free vehicle that is invested by the college that matures over time.

01:44:26.000 And so Harvard has a $55 billion endowment.

01:44:29.000 Yale, $40 billion.

01:44:31.000 Stanford, $50 billion.

01:44:32.000 University of Texas, UTIMCO, has a $48 billion endowment.

01:44:36.000 So it was eye-opening to me, these hedge funds that have existed with a college attached.

01:44:42.000 Am I missing something or is that insanity?

01:44:43.000 No, it's insane.

01:44:45.000 A hedge fund attached to a college.

01:44:47.000 A college like that.

01:44:48.000 Wow.

01:44:49.000 I mean, so when people read that, they say, what?

01:44:51.000 And they're still charging $90,000 now a year to go to Harvard all in.

01:44:56.000 Recent study shows like $88,000 to $90,000 a year to go to Harvard.

01:45:00.000 And so you have these massive buckets of money, and they're still charging tuition, and they're still going to the government for money.

01:45:07.000 And they have $45 billion in assets.

01:45:11.000 Now, let me ask you this.

01:45:13.000 When a college like that is involved with the hedge fund and that kind of money.

01:45:18.000 Well, I use that moniker as a hedge fund.

01:45:20.000 Right, right.

01:45:20.000 But yes.

01:45:22.000 How much influence then does that bring to the college?

01:45:25.000 Oh, I mean, it drives the college, right?

01:45:27.000 Drives.

01:45:27.000 So it's just like the news and everything else.

01:45:30.000 That's correct.

01:45:31.000 So you have these huge buckets of money.

01:45:34.000 So anyway, I think that's really eye-opening.

01:45:36.000 By the way, this book is full of facts like that where you're like, I can't believe it.

01:45:40.000 And my guarantee is this.

01:45:43.000 If I have not persuaded you by the end of the book, on at least some of these counts, I haven't done my job, right?

01:45:49.000 And here's how I know the book is well written.

01:45:52.000 I only received one critical article in response and it was some snarky professor.

01:45:56.000 Usually when I write a book and I've written several.

01:45:59.000 Five, six, right?

01:45:59.000 Yeah, I get all these like really snarky pieces.

01:46:03.000 This is a bulletproof book.

01:46:04.000 I don't say that lightly.

01:46:05.000 I don't say it braggadociously.

01:46:07.000 It's very clear.

01:46:08.000 I received from some of our donors who used to be pro-college, they said, Charlie, I read the whole thing and you're right.

01:46:15.000 You make a really good argument. 0.98

01:46:17.000 The hedge fund threw me on my butt. 0.99

01:46:20.000 I mean, that was just nuts. 0.98

01:46:21.000 $50 billion that they're sitting on.

01:46:24.000 This is a college.

01:46:24.000 A college.

01:46:25.000 It's a place that you're supposed to go learn, not supposed to go get an ROI.

01:46:28.000 I mean, and they're still charging families tuition and they're sitting on $50 billion.

01:46:33.000 Unbelievable.

01:46:34.000 It's good timing for this book because my son came to me yesterday and said, Dad, I don't think I'm going to college.

01:46:39.000 And I looked at him.

01:46:40.000 It's that same mentality you're talking about, but I looked at him, what do you mean?

01:46:43.000 He's like, you don't have to go to college to be successful.

01:46:45.000 This is my 16-year-old.

01:46:46.000 That means my job.

01:46:47.000 The fact that that's getting out there is an affirmation of my life.

01:46:51.000 Maybe I'll have to show him that book.

01:46:53.000 Well, and so here's, I want to make it very clear.

01:46:55.000 If you don't go to college, you must still hold yourself to a standard of excellence and the pursuit of being better.

01:47:02.000 It's not a chance to escape responsibility.

01:47:05.000 It's the opposite.

01:47:05.000 It's a chance to lean into responsibility.

01:47:07.000 I talk about that in the book, right?

01:47:09.000 Is that some people say, well, Charlie, what are they supposed to do instead?

01:47:11.000 And I come up, I have like 30 ideas what people could do instead of going to college.

01:47:14.000 Yeah, you're not saying sit at home eclectic from the government.

01:47:17.000 Of course not.

01:47:17.000 You know me, right?

01:47:18.000 In fact, I think it's a chance to flourish.

01:47:21.000 I think it's a chance to become an entrepreneur or to go intern and go be mentored by somebody or to go travel, which I think really enriches somebody's soul and their worldview.

01:47:32.000 So, yeah, I mean, just because they don't go to college, you can also just say, all right, well, then you get six months at home, then you got to find a job and pay rent.

01:47:39.000 That's way better of an education for them than actually going to college.

01:47:43.000 Because the problem with college, again, I talk about this in the book, is it's so removed from reality.

01:47:49.000 They're not paying bills.

01:47:51.000 Every meal is provided for them, right?

01:47:53.000 You have this awful hookup culture where they are completely detached from, I think, strong sexual ethics that actually make people happier and more joyful.

01:48:02.000 So it's just the men especially get all messed up on their view of women and women get super depressed, right?

01:48:08.000 And I don't buy into any of that.

01:48:10.000 I think it's really damaging actually to society.

01:48:12.000 And I think the data is showing that.

01:48:14.000 And then they really don't go to class.

01:48:17.000 And then they, then over time, then they get filled with all these awful ideas.

01:48:21.000 And then they come out into the real world.

01:48:23.000 Yeah.

01:48:23.000 And then they come into the real world and they have resentment.

01:48:26.000 Resentment is the worst thing you could produce in a young person.

01:48:30.000 With a $200,000 debt.

01:48:32.000 And that's partially why they're resentful.

01:48:33.000 So I make the argument in the book, again, I think rather soberly, I could have went even harsher, that it's a scam and scams should be closed and shut down and held accountable.

01:48:44.000 And from my research, I'm one of the few people that's actually making that argument.

01:48:50.000 Do you think, real quick, I know you have much time left.

01:48:52.000 Do you think that they're pushing kids?

01:48:54.000 You know, you see with the whole, we'll pay for your college tuition.

01:48:57.000 We'll pay off the bills.

01:48:58.000 The government's going to take care of it, that they're pushing kids to college still.

01:49:03.000 Yes.

01:49:03.000 They'll take care of it so they can indoctrinate them more.

01:49:07.000 Without a doubt.

01:49:07.000 You get more of what you subsidize.

01:49:09.000 And so as they subsidize student loan forgiveness, they're trying to tell young people, don't look at the price tab.

01:49:13.000 We'll have some taxpayer pay for you on the back end.

01:49:15.000 Yeah, we got to brainwash.

01:49:16.000 Yep.

01:49:17.000 Yep.

01:49:17.000 And we got to bring you through the ideological laundering.

01:49:20.000 And I think this is just good for anybody watching.

01:49:22.000 You know, you've had shots taken at you because of your opinions and everything.

01:49:26.000 Time, whatever.

01:49:27.000 What do you do nowadays to not be the victim and not be bullied to just keep pumping and pumping and pumping?

01:49:33.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm my religion is very important to me.

01:49:37.000 My belief in the divine drives me.

01:49:41.000 The next book I might write, I have like three books I'm working on at once.

01:49:45.000 I got to figure out which one I'm actually going to proceed with.

01:49:47.000 But a book I will write in my life is: I believe that keeping the Sabbath is one of the most important things a human being can do.

01:49:56.000 Having a day of rest, I think it's a gift from the Lord.

01:49:59.000 And I think fully shutting down, turning off your phone, turning off all the technology for a 24-hour period would make America less depressed, less suicidal, less anxious.

01:50:07.000 I do it Friday night to Sunday morning, no phone, no TV, no news, just books, family, walking, food.

01:50:15.000 That's it.

01:50:16.000 And I believe it's a very simple, and what I love about it is that it's zero cost.

01:50:21.000 Any American can do it at any time, right?

01:50:23.000 One day of complete rest.

01:50:26.000 The Bible shows us the beauty of that and the necessity of it.

01:50:29.000 And we used to have it in our laws called blue laws.

01:50:32.000 We got rid of them.

01:50:32.000 I'm not even saying bring them back, but I think we can all agree that there's this collective hurriness in our society right now.

01:50:39.000 We're always like in a rush.

01:50:41.000 We're kind of distracted.

01:50:43.000 Real relationships are rare to find anymore.

01:50:47.000 And so let's be intentional.

01:50:49.000 And so for me, I have a day where I get to enjoy the beautiful things.

01:50:55.000 Not just work, work, this, that.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, and I love work, but it makes the six days, I can go even harder.

01:51:00.000 I wake up earlier.

01:51:01.000 I have more energy because I have a standing celebration of the Lord and what he did once a week.

01:51:07.000 It's a cathedral in time for me, Friday night to Sunday morning.

01:51:11.000 That's great advice.

01:51:12.000 And so I would love to write the book, make the argument.

01:51:15.000 People say, Charlie, how do we make people happier and have less murders and less crimes?

01:51:19.000 If a majority of Americans, not even all people, majority of Americans did this, every metric would go in the right direction.

01:51:25.000 I guarantee it.

01:51:26.000 I believe God and the Ten Commandments gave us the Sabbath to make the other nine commandments possible.

01:51:33.000 I think you have a better marriage if you honor the Sabbath. 0.64

01:51:35.000 You tell the truth more.

01:51:36.000 You honor God more, less likely to steal, less likely to covet.

01:51:40.000 Your standards, right?

01:51:41.000 Your standards.

01:51:42.000 Your standards, and you also then detach from the flow of modernity into a temporary place of really kind of ancient wisdom and beauty.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 21, 2023

The Left’s Three Steps to Taking Over Society — My Interview with MSCS

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