The Charlie Kirk Show - The Legend of James Lindsay: A Conversation at the Chapter Leadership Summit

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, my exclusive conversation with James Lindsay from the Chapter Leadership Summit.

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00:01:47.000 So we're going to dive right into it.

00:01:49.000 This is a really important dialogue we're about to have.

00:01:52.000 Dr. James Lindsay, I consider him a great friend.

00:01:55.000 I don't have many friends, but James Lindsay is one of them.

00:01:57.000 And James Lindsay has a PhD in mathematics.

00:02:01.000 That is really, really hard to do.

00:02:04.000 Like if it was PhD in queer studies, like whatever.

00:02:09.000 He has an IQ that is beyond comprehension.

00:02:13.000 James Lindsay, though, being in math, being in that space, gravitated also on realizing this woke mind virus was taking down the entire civilization.

00:02:23.000 Communism.

00:02:24.000 He reads like I've never seen anybody read before, and he said, okay, I want to understand what this is.

00:02:29.000 He did multiple years of research and still does of where does this come from?

00:02:33.000 How do we fight it?

00:02:34.000 Queer theory, wokeism, critical race theory, widely published.

00:02:37.000 He has some hilarious stories he's going to share of where he wrote some fake academic journals that got accepted pretending to be woke.

00:02:46.000 But Dr. James Lindsay is, in my opinion, the clearest, most courageous, and also fun academic that is going to help you have the intellectual ammunition to be able to push back against your professors and your snobbish classmates.

00:03:02.000 That's why he's here.

00:03:03.000 We're going to talk about all the issues: Pride Month, drag, woke, what even is woke?

00:03:09.000 And hopefully, we're not going to be able to cover it all.

00:03:12.000 Hopefully, it will get you interested enough for you to follow his podcast, read his books.

00:03:17.000 So, Dr. James Lindsay, welcome to the Turning Point USA Chapter Leadership Summit.

00:03:24.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:03:26.000 I always wanted to be introduced as fun.

00:03:29.000 Yes.

00:03:29.000 Well, so, James, why don't you talk a little bit about the fake academic journals?

00:03:34.000 I think that will give people a picture into your brilliance and also trolling the bad guys to show their idiocy. 0.90

00:03:42.000 Yeah, so this is actually going to be kind of useful for you all on campus if you end up having to go to toe-to-toe with one of your professors or whatever.

00:03:49.000 So, way back in the day in like 2017, a couple of friends of mine and I, Peter Bogosh and Helen Pluckrose are their names, decided that it would be useful to write a bunch of fake academic articles in gender studies, queer theory, critical race education, and the whole gamut, feminist theory.

00:04:07.000 And so, what we did was we sat down, we thought, let me tell you why on earth would you do this, first of all.

00:04:12.000 We thought, you know, we were trying to criticize it.

00:04:14.000 Like, you guys have probably tried to stand up to it, tried to say, this is wrong, this is a mistake, here's what the fallacies are, here's where the errors in logic are.

00:04:21.000 And they didn't care, and they said, you don't have a PhD in it, so you can't say anything.

00:04:26.000 So we thought, well, if we get a bunch of papers published, that's like better than a PhD.

00:04:29.000 Like three papers is equal to a doctorate in most fields.

00:04:32.000 Let's just do a bunch of papers.

00:04:34.000 Plus, we read this paper, a real paper, about feminist study of glaciers. 0.72

00:04:40.000 And it pissed us off.

00:04:42.000 There's no other way to put it.

00:04:43.000 This isn't a huge journal, and it's like this paper, it's like, listen, the study of glaciers has always been plagued by masculine bias.

00:04:51.000 It was manly men going to the Arctic and climbing mountains, studying glaciers, and that excluded women and blah, blah, blah.

00:04:58.000 And it's like, yeah, because you die.

00:05:01.000 But you read through this and it's like, well, we study glaciers using satellites and that's pornographic.

00:05:07.000 That's the God's Eye View from Nowhere.

00:05:08.000 We're taking pornographic images.

00:05:10.000 It really says that. 0.93

00:05:11.000 We're like, what the hell is this?

00:05:13.000 And so then I get further down and it's like, well, you know, those satellite images, what they really should work in, there's this feminist and she's a painter.

00:05:19.000 They should include her paintings alongside their satellite images to study glaciers.

00:05:23.000 And it's like, you've got to be kidding.

00:05:24.000 Then there's like, you've got to call the glacier on the phone and listen to its sounds.

00:05:28.000 And there's a phone number in the paper.

00:05:30.000 And I thought, this is insane.

00:05:32.000 Then it's talking about like glaciers having sex and indigenous myths.

00:05:35.000 And we're like, this can't be real.

00:05:37.000 And I got so depressed, I decided we had to get some revenge on these people.

00:05:41.000 And so we wrote 20 academic articles, 21, really.

00:05:46.000 There was a trial balloon, unlike the one that China flew over ours. 0.97

00:05:51.000 We flew a trial balloon called the Conceptual Penis as a Social Construct, in which we argued that penises don't really exist. 0.89

00:05:58.000 They're socially constructed objects that cause all the problems in the world, especially climate change. 0.56

00:06:05.000 And that was a controversial object to throw into the literature.

00:06:10.000 So this blossomed into 20 more papers.

00:06:13.000 Some of them were literally about assessing rape culture by watching dogs humping each other at dog parks.

00:06:19.000 We rewrote a chapter of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is Intersectional Feminism.

00:06:22.000 It got picked up by a social work journal.

00:06:24.000 So there's that field.

00:06:27.000 We wrote a paper about the sport of bodybuilding being unfairly exclusive of fat people.

00:06:32.000 So it's called fat bodybuilding.

00:06:34.000 The title was Who Are They to Judge?

00:06:37.000 That got accepted by the leading journal.

00:06:39.000 So we did this, and academia looked at us and pretended it didn't happen.

00:06:45.000 It didn't happen.

00:06:45.000 We got seven of those papers.

00:06:47.000 Remember, three is a PhD.

00:06:48.000 Seven of those papers got accepted, and academia just put its head in the sand and pretended it didn't happen.

00:06:55.000 So when you guys get up against some of your professors and they say all this crazy stuff about queer theory this or whatever that and you say, well, how do you know that?

00:07:02.000 How do you know that's true?

00:07:03.000 They say, well, there's studies.

00:07:04.000 Ask them about this.

00:07:05.000 Ask them about the grievance studies affair.

00:07:07.000 What about those academics that wrote those fake papers?

00:07:09.000 How'd they get those published? 0.51

00:07:10.000 See what they say about that.

00:07:12.000 Yeah, and these were accepted as actual academic research.

00:07:17.000 And James is so smart.

00:07:18.000 You wrote it in a way of their lingo where they were applauding you and they thought it was like really smart and really interesting of the stuff that you were publishing.

00:07:27.000 And you used fake names too.

00:07:29.000 Well, yeah, we used some fake names.

00:07:31.000 We actually had a guy that my friend Peter is friends with, so a friend of my friend, he's an actual pro-bodybuilder.

00:07:37.000 That's where he came up with the idea for fat bodybuilding.

00:07:39.000 He's a real professor in Florida. 0.63

00:07:40.000 It was like, I hate these guys.

00:07:41.000 You can use my name.

00:07:43.000 And so we had one real name and we made up names. 0.70

00:07:45.000 But the reason we got found out, they really did get published, the dog-humping paper is a little ridiculous. 0.86

00:07:50.000 I can't actually express to you in PG terms how ridiculous it is.

00:07:55.000 But they loved this paper and it got published. 0.70

00:07:57.000 And journalists started to look at this paper and like, there is no way this is real.

00:08:02.000 And some journalists just dug on it and dug on it and dug on it.

00:08:05.000 So you guys, these were, the one who dug was a college student who wouldn't let it go.

00:08:11.000 It was a college student, and she couldn't get her paper, you know, people to pay attention to her articles and like campus reform or whatever it was she was writing for.

00:08:19.000 So she sent an email to a friend she made at a conference like this that she met at the Wall Street Journal, and the Wall Street Journal got a hold of us and we had to come clean.

00:08:26.000 And so don't ever think for a second that you're too young to make a difference.

00:08:31.000 But Charlie, one of these papers, talking about their lingo and fooling them, one of these papers was about Hooters, the restaurant.

00:08:40.000 And I wrote some really absurd and lewd things about Hooters.

00:08:44.000 And the editor of the journal wrote a personal note on the document when she sent it back and said, oh my God, I've never been to one of these places.

00:08:53.000 And I always knew they were bad.

00:08:55.000 But it's so much worse than I thought.

00:08:59.000 And James, these are academics that are in charge of teaching this entire room.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, that's the research these academics that are teaching are doing.

00:09:06.000 I've never been to one of these places, but I thought it was bad. 0.94

00:09:09.000 And then somebody makes up, literally makes up a bunch of crap, and they're like, that's how it is. 0.98

00:09:14.000 That's what they're teaching you. 0.80

00:09:15.000 So then, James, you did the academic story, but then you came out with the book Cynical Theories, Race Marxism, Marxification of Education, and you have now been a relentless and effective critic of CRT.

00:09:28.000 And now something I'm going to ask you, James, what is woke?

00:09:32.000 Woke is denouncing everything you want to control until you control it.

00:09:36.000 That's all it is.

00:09:37.000 That's not a complicated definition.

00:09:39.000 I can go as academic as you want.

00:09:40.000 It's critical consciousness.

00:09:41.000 It's believing that the world is arranged in systems of power and domination, that blah, It's called critical consciousness formally.

00:09:48.000 That's academic.

00:09:49.000 The reality is it is denouncing everything you want to control as being a system of power until you control it.

00:09:56.000 So what's critical race theory?

00:09:58.000 You like this one?

00:09:59.000 It's the first thing in race Marxism, my book about critical race theory, the first sentence.

00:10:04.000 Critical race theory, noun, calling everything you want to control racist until you control it.

00:10:09.000 Queer theory, we could do the same thing. 0.85

00:10:11.000 Noun, calling everything you want to control homophobic and transphobic until you control it.

00:10:16.000 That's what woke is.

00:10:18.000 Woke is an excuse to use ideas like bigotry to take control of people and institutions.

00:10:25.000 And so James, let's talk about a couple elements of this.

00:10:30.000 Every single one of these kids, unless they go to Hillsdale or Liberty, are going to be hearing kind of like this relentless campaign from professors and teachers.

00:10:39.000 You're white, you're not allowed to comment on this. 1.00

00:10:42.000 Or you don't understand that we are systemically racist. 0.90

00:10:46.000 Where do these terms come from?

00:10:47.000 And how should, let's just say there's a white student in the audience here and a professor says, you're white, you're not allowed to comment on this.

00:10:54.000 How should they respond to that?

00:10:56.000 Well, I mean, in the moment, this is always going to be a tricky thing, but you've got to say, yes, I can.

00:11:00.000 Just, yes, I can.

00:11:02.000 My comment counts.

00:11:03.000 This is actually, by the way, how I got started in all this way back in like 2013.

00:11:07.000 I was at a table, mixed group.

00:11:08.000 There was some blue-collar friends of mine.

00:11:10.000 There were some white-collar, actually academic friends of mine.

00:11:12.000 We were at the same party.

00:11:14.000 We're sitting there talking, and this guy's talking about affirmative action and how it's led to some issues at his factory, the blue-collar guy.

00:11:21.000 And the academic white woman says, that sounds a little bit racist.

00:11:24.000 And he's like, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:25.000 I tried to intervene and it's like all falling apart.

00:11:27.000 And he's like telling his story.

00:11:29.000 And I said, listen, you all the time talk about how we have to hear people's stories.

00:11:34.000 This is a story and you don't want to hear it.

00:11:36.000 And she said, well, he's a white man.

00:11:37.000 His story's already been told.

00:11:39.000 This is a story.

00:11:40.000 You're all about hearing people's stories.

00:11:43.000 Why can't we hear these other stories?

00:11:45.000 Is actually an answer you can give.

00:11:46.000 I'm not going to say it's going to get you anywhere, but what you have to learn is that they're not interested in the truth.

00:11:52.000 So, what you have to do is say these things, let them say the horrible thing back to you, and then make that go viral.

00:11:58.000 You have to make attention come to that.

00:12:01.000 One of the papers that we wrote, one of the fake papers was about education.

00:12:05.000 We called it the progressive stack.

00:12:07.000 We said that the teachers should not allow white male students to talk in class. 1.00

00:12:11.000 They should listen and learn in silence, can't ask questions, can't raise their hand, don't get their emails answered, get spoken over, should have to sit in the floor, they can wear chains to experience reparations in class, be humiliated and embarrassed.

00:12:22.000 But we should do it compassionately because we're writing funny papers, right?

00:12:25.000 And so, we have to do it with compassion.

00:12:27.000 And the peer reviewers, this, Charlie, is the turning point, by the way.

00:12:31.000 The peer reviewers wrote back and said, We love this idea, but you can't use compassion because that might recenter the needs of the privileged students over the oppressed students.

00:12:40.000 And I said, Oh my god, there's a genocide at the end of this.

00:12:44.000 That's where I went.

00:12:45.000 A couple weeks later, you're married, you'll understand how this works.

00:12:47.000 I went a couple weeks later, said to my wife, Can I quit my job and dedicate it to studying this and exposing it?

00:12:54.000 Because this ends at the end of civilization, is where this goes.

00:12:57.000 And you have to be able to stand and say, Listen, my opinion counts too.

00:13:02.000 And if you don't want to count it, let's hear you just own that.

00:13:04.000 Make them own the things that they actually believe that are horrible, that are un-American, that are immoral, that are sometimes absolutely perverse.

00:13:14.000 Make them own them. 0.57

00:13:15.000 That's what we've been doing for a couple years now, and it's the most effective tool.

00:13:19.000 You're not going to win in the moment with somebody who has tons of power over you, but you can set them up to be humiliated and embarrassed, or maybe even at the end of a lawsuit.

00:13:27.000 How do you respond, James, when you hear from an activist, a classmate, a professor, administrator, that I have my own truth and you have your own truth?

00:13:37.000 You just asked them, I guess, is that true?

00:13:39.000 Is that universally true for like everybody?

00:13:41.000 Like that there are truths for some people and not truths for other people?

00:13:45.000 Because what they're doing is they're saying, I have special knowledge nobody else is allowed to have.

00:13:50.000 And you have to ask them if something like that is universally applicable.

00:13:54.000 What on earth gives them the right, the authority?

00:13:57.000 Why do you believe you have the authority to know things nobody else can know?

00:14:00.000 Where did you get that?

00:14:01.000 Did you just kind of wake up with it in the morning?

00:14:03.000 What's the deal?

00:14:04.000 You've got to ask them, where do you think you get the authority to talk like that?

00:14:08.000 Of course, you don't have your truth and I don't have my truth.

00:14:11.000 There is the truth.

00:14:12.000 And the truth, if you want to get technical about it, is that which any independent observer can go verify for themselves?

00:14:19.000 And I believe the truth will set you free firmly and completely.

00:14:24.000 And so, but James, even the term truth is a threatening academic concept, is it not?

00:14:33.000 Yeah, because they have woven together the idea of truth and power, which makes sense because there is an immense amount of power, as in the exact kind of power that will take them out of the game in the truth.

00:14:47.000 The truth will actually knock them off their pedestal.

00:14:50.000 It will depose them.

00:14:51.000 So they have to suppress the truth.

00:14:52.000 They have to hide the truth. 1.00

00:14:54.000 Which means, by the way, that they are not just dumb or ignorant or crazy. 1.00

00:15:00.000 They are, in fact, and I want to use this, I want to train you guys to start using this word. 1.00

00:15:04.000 They are wicked, which means they are doing evil and they know they're doing evil. 0.98

00:15:09.000 They are wicked. 0.98

00:15:11.000 They are suppressing the truth because that's the only way their lies can go forward.

00:15:16.000 So what they've done is they've wrapped truth and power together as one concept.

00:15:19.000 This is what postmodernism kind of boils down to.

00:15:22.000 Oh, the truth is whatever whoever has power gets to say is true and everything else is false.

00:15:27.000 And like I just said, there's a way to cut right across that.

00:15:29.000 No, the truth is that which any independent observer can see.

00:15:34.000 The truth is what hits you in the face when your beliefs are wrong.

00:15:38.000 So why is woke and truth incompatible?

00:15:41.000 What is it about the woke that is threatened by the truth and how the truth overcomes the woke?

00:15:46.000 Well, they're incompatible because the truth will question things that woke people are saying.

00:15:53.000 Like, for example, that we can't tell what men and women are.

00:15:56.000 And I think any of us can tell what men.

00:15:58.000 I don't even, I think even they know anybody can tell what men and women are, except for maybe a very small percentage of them.

00:16:04.000 And what that will do is it will remove their justification to power.

00:16:09.000 The fact of the matter is the reason that truth is dangerous is because truth is accessible to anybody.

00:16:14.000 Therefore, it's not only accessible to tyrants.

00:16:17.000 I need to interrupt you, James.

00:16:18.000 I hope you guys understand this.

00:16:19.000 How many times have you heard, you're not studying it, you don't have a PhD, you're not allowed to comment on this.

00:16:25.000 What they're doing is they're saying you're not in the secret society to be able to open your mouth.

00:16:33.000 What?

00:16:34.000 Yeah.

00:16:35.000 So what we believe in is that every human being has access to the truth, regardless if you have a PhD or not.

00:16:44.000 You don't have to be in the secret society to be able to say that men can't give birth.

00:16:50.000 You do not have to be in the secret society.

00:16:52.000 Right, James?

00:16:53.000 They're trying to create this secret cabal almost.

00:16:57.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:16:58.000 It's a club.

00:16:59.000 You've got to get the credentials.

00:17:00.000 That's what they told me.

00:17:00.000 That's why I wrote the fake papers.

00:17:02.000 Oh, you can't criticize this. 0.96

00:17:03.000 At first, it was, well, you're a white man. 0.72

00:17:05.000 Of course you don't understand.

00:17:06.000 But then my criticisms must have got too close because I just kept hammering at them and they're like, well, you don't have a PhD.

00:17:11.000 You're not an expert.

00:17:12.000 You aren't credentialed.

00:17:13.000 You're not in the club.

00:17:14.000 I do have a PhD, but it's in the wrong field.

00:17:16.000 But then you could have somebody who has a PhD in the right field, but if they say the wrong thing, there's actually a guy, I think his name's Eric Anderson or something like this.

00:17:23.000 He developed this whole concept of what he called inclusive masculinity, and he was all the vogue for a number of years.

00:17:28.000 And then all of a sudden, he said something because he actually believes in observable objective reality.

00:17:34.000 And he believes in empirical science, even though he's kind of in this sort of direction.

00:17:39.000 And all of a sudden, they came for him.

00:17:40.000 They canceled him.

00:17:41.000 His theory is all wrong.

00:17:42.000 It just turned around on him like overnight.

00:17:43.000 He had a PhD in the right stuff.

00:17:45.000 But he said, I actually care about observable truth.

00:17:45.000 He was doing the right things.

00:17:48.000 I care about who can do the experiment.

00:17:50.000 They are erecting a false reality.

00:17:50.000 And that's the thing.

00:17:53.000 The truth will knock them off of it.

00:17:55.000 And anybody can access the truth, which means they can take them out.

00:17:59.000 But it requires truth tellers.

00:18:02.000 The truth in existence will always be there.

00:18:06.000 But it requires you to have the courage to speak that truth.

00:18:12.000 It requires more than that.

00:18:13.000 And I'm going to get a little biblical on you, if you don't mind.

00:18:16.000 It doesn't just require truth tellers.

00:18:19.000 It is hard to tell the truth, especially now, especially if you're in the disenfranchised or marginalized position that you are and don't dip into that victimization.

00:18:27.000 They are marginalizing you.

00:18:28.000 That's why they use that word all the time.

00:18:29.000 They marginalize their opponents.

00:18:30.000 Mao Zedong said to not have correct political opinions is like not having a soul.

00:18:35.000 In other words, not being a person, which justifies them doing whatever they want to you.

00:18:39.000 But the fact is, it's not enough to say the truth.

00:18:43.000 You have to love the truth.

00:18:45.000 You have to love the truth to get biblical with you with all of your heart, all of your soul, all of your mind, and all of your strength.

00:18:52.000 And you must pursue the truth.

00:18:54.000 You must pursue the truth again when they lie to you.

00:18:57.000 And then you must speak it at every turn to the best of your ability, every single time you get the chance.

00:19:03.000 You have to love the truth the way that religious people love God.

00:19:07.000 You can't, it's the same thing.

00:19:09.000 You can't step away from that.

00:19:11.000 You have to love it.

00:19:13.000 You have to cherish the truth.

00:19:14.000 You have to act like the truth is something that you actually have to advocate for, that you love, that you support in all ways and all corners.

00:19:23.000 And that's the way that truth drives out lies, truth drives out darkness, truth drives out evil.

00:19:28.000 It's absolutely necessary, not just that you speak the truth, but that you love the truth.

00:19:33.000 And it's hard because it will knock you off your pedestal too.

00:19:38.000 Now, James, let's get to something that every single person here will encounter.

00:19:42.000 The queer theory, the LGBTQ mafia, the rainbow jihadis, you know, this like this tyrannical thing that we just lived through in the month of June. 1.00

00:19:53.000 What are we living through?

00:19:54.000 I've made the comparison that this is like conquered land and conquered territory with now we have competing flags, in fact, more pride flags than American flags.

00:20:02.000 What's going on?

00:20:03.000 Well, I mean, that's what colonization is.

00:20:06.000 Don't you know how they obsess about colonization?

00:20:08.000 Well, guess what?

00:20:08.000 They've been studying it since the 50s.

00:20:10.000 Of course, they're going to colonize.

00:20:12.000 So when you see at the White House that they put the pride flag in between two American flags, there's two pride flags.

00:20:18.000 Two pride flags, one American flag.

00:20:19.000 When you see that, they're telling you we've colonized your country from within.

00:20:22.000 So that's a good way to look at it.

00:20:25.000 But you said Rainbow Jihadis.

00:20:26.000 I actually want to switch that for you.

00:20:28.000 I want to call them the Rainbow Guard, which has a historical precedent to the Red Guard in communist China.

00:20:34.000 What we are living through, what you are experiencing day to day, and what you have been experiencing at least since 2015, although you may not have noticed it until 2020, is a cultural revolution, just like happened in China in 1966 through 76.

00:20:48.000 You are living through a cultural revolution.

00:20:51.000 Now, I have some bad news for the woke, for the mafia, or the jihadis or whatever, the Rainbow Guard, because Mao let loose in 1966 the Red Guard, which were his communist youth. 0.81

00:21:03.000 He let loose to smash the four olds, to destroy the old culture, to destroy the old society, tear down statues, rename streets, cut off their old family names, and adopt new names.

00:21:13.000 You know, they had dead names back then, too, that you couldn't say anymore.

00:21:16.000 They're revolutionary names.

00:21:18.000 He unleashed them to hound and struggle.

00:21:21.000 That's the word, struggle.

00:21:23.000 Do struggle sessions, dojang in Chinese. 0.98

00:21:26.000 Struggle, people who had wrong political opinions, which often included humiliating them, putting them up for public spectacle, beating them sometimes to death in the streets, robbing them of all their possessions, embarrassing them, making them confess that they weren't good communists up to the standard.

00:21:42.000 And, you know, that started in 1966, Charlie.

00:21:44.000 In 1967, give you an idea how powerful the Rainbow Guard could become, in 1967, one and a half years later, they went and they grabbed the chairman of the CCP, Liu Xiaoqi, who had become Mao's chief political rival, did it to him, dragged him, the dictator of China, out of his place of power, humiliated him in the street, sent him off to die in misery in the countryside.

00:22:08.000 And then you know what Mao did after he got his seat back because they deposed his political rival?

00:22:13.000 A month later, at the end of 1967, he declared, oh, the Red Guard is too left.

00:22:18.000 It's too radical.

00:22:20.000 It's not necessary for this stage of the revolution.

00:22:23.000 And he unleashed the People's Liberation Army on them, and they went away by 1968.

00:22:27.000 There was no more Red Guard.

00:22:28.000 That's the future of the Rainbow Guard that's colonizing our country, unfortunately, for them. 1.00

00:22:33.000 So if you're worried about it, the Pride Month thing has a time limit.

00:22:37.000 It's not going to persist.

00:22:39.000 It's not useful after this stage of the revolution.

00:22:41.000 But what we're living through is a cultural revolution.

00:22:45.000 What we are living through is what happened in Mao's China in 1966.

00:22:49.000 And now this is what you and I have been talking about for a month or two, Charlie.

00:22:53.000 The question before every one of you is, can a cultural revolution be stopped?

00:23:00.000 And if so, how?

00:23:02.000 Let me give you some discouragement followed by some encouragement.

00:23:06.000 Discouragement.

00:23:07.000 There's only been one cultural revolution so far.

00:23:09.000 It happened in China, and it didn't go that well.

00:23:11.000 The CCP is now in its 74th year of power.

00:23:15.000 Let me give you some encouragement.

00:23:17.000 The United States of America is not China.

00:23:23.000 The situation you find yourself in is also not the situation.

00:23:27.000 I'll give you a little history.

00:23:28.000 I know we're trying to not be too dorky, but a little history lesson.

00:23:31.000 The CCP actually took over China in 1949.

00:23:34.000 If you did the math from 74 years, you figured that out already.

00:23:37.000 Okay, 1949, but I told you the cultural revolution started in 1966.

00:23:42.000 What does that mean?

00:23:43.000 That means that there were 16 and a half years during which the communists already had been breaking Chinese society.

00:23:51.000 In 1958 and 9, Mao Zedong launched a program that was supposed to bring China to the top of industrial standards of the world called the Great Reset.

00:24:01.000 Wait, no.

00:24:02.000 Great leap forward.

00:24:03.000 It was a great leap forward.

00:24:04.000 Sorry, I mixed those up.

00:24:06.000 But I did that on purpose as a joke because the fact of the matter is the Great Reset is meant to break the U.S., break the West, break Europe, break Australia, New Zealand, Canada, exactly in the same way because the reason the cultural revolution worked is by 1962, we cannot comprehend, unless you lived there or you have parents or grandparents who lived there the devastation that this caused.

00:24:31.000 The reason Mao had a political rival in Liu Xiaoqi was they made him leave office.

00:24:36.000 They kicked him out as dictator because he killed 55 million people and ruined the Chinese economy in three years with the Great Leap Forward. 0.90

00:24:47.000 I did the math on this the other day, Charlie.

00:24:49.000 You guys have ever seen the Great Pyramids at Giza in Egypt?

00:24:52.000 So you know there's the two big ones and then there's the smaller one, then there's those three little ones?

00:24:56.000 Well that smaller one, the medium-sized one, if you took the skulls of the people who were murdered in the Great Leap Forward only and stacked them up in a square pyramid, that's how big it is.

00:25:12.000 That's what Mao did.

00:25:14.000 That's what the Great Leap Forward did.

00:25:17.000 So you have four years out that ended in 1962.

00:25:21.000 1966, he launches a cultural revolution.

00:25:23.000 So that didn't sound very encouraging.

00:25:25.000 We don't have that.

00:25:27.000 They did not do that to us.

00:25:29.000 So we are in a different circumstance to answer this historical question differently.

00:25:33.000 Can a cultural revolution be stopped?

00:25:36.000 Yes.

00:25:37.000 How?

00:25:37.000 Americans.

00:25:39.000 That's how.

00:25:40.000 And this is why what you're doing is so important.

00:25:44.000 This is why President Trump, Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Dan Bongino, they want to spend time with you because they have to go through the youth, right, James?

00:25:52.000 Is that they go through Mao's Red Guard was primarily young college kids.

00:25:58.000 It was introduced through the CCP's university system.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:26:02.000 So in 1949, Mao takes over.

00:26:05.000 A little more history.

00:26:06.000 Take notes.

00:26:07.000 There's a quiz.

00:26:08.000 He takes over.

00:26:09.000 In 1950, do you know what Mao did?

00:26:11.000 He fired every teacher in China.

00:26:13.000 Every single teacher.

00:26:15.000 He took every textbook in China and got rid of every single one.

00:26:20.000 And for the next two years, between 50 and 52, they brainwashed the teachers and you were not allowed back in the classroom until you passed your socialist proof exam.

00:26:29.000 And they rewrote the textbooks so that people didn't even have textbooks.

00:26:34.000 They didn't even have textbooks to learn.

00:26:36.000 So for 1952 or so until 1966, they had 14 relentless years of communist education only from communist teachers who are towing the party line, who are completely indoctrinated and brainwashed.

00:26:50.000 So the entire generation of young people who are entering what Mao called his revolutionary high schools and revolutionary colleges and universities were brainwashed on his program.

00:27:00.000 And that is who he activated into the Red Guard to go take over.

00:27:05.000 Why do you think that they're pushing queer theory in the schools?

00:27:08.000 So why?

00:27:09.000 Why are they doing that?

00:27:10.000 So that they can brainwash and break a generation of people your age and younger so that when George Floyd dies, for example, they'll go out in the street and tear down statues and break windows and burn down buildings and kill people and yell at people and everything else.

00:27:23.000 So that they will throw a gigantic fit when their life isn't going the way that it is and demand hope and change at every turn.

00:27:29.000 So they will go and tell you that you are wrong and you are bullied, or you need to be bullied and struggled into having the right beliefs against racism and transphobia.

00:27:38.000 They are activating an entire generation of David Hoggs and the youth to go out and mess up our society because they know it's possible.

00:27:46.000 They know it works because it's been done before.

00:27:48.000 And the threat to them is you, is Turning Point USA chapter leaders scattering across the country after this, going to high school and college campuses.

00:27:57.000 And you might say, well, Charlie, my chapter has five people like the question, you know, yesterday.

00:28:02.000 That's a big threat to them.

00:28:04.000 Relentless rebels launching a sabotage campaign against their plan throws sands in the gears.

00:28:11.000 It is this remnant of rebellion that makes their revolution hard, that makes fun of them, that mocks their ideas, that is relentless against their pressure campaign.

00:28:22.000 Like, no, I'm actually not doing that.

00:28:23.000 I'm not doing the pronouns.

00:28:24.000 I'm going to sue you.

00:28:25.000 I'm going to hold you to the book of your own rules.

00:28:27.000 I'm going to multiply our impact. 0.92

00:28:29.000 I'm going to have Candace Owens come and speak.

00:28:30.000 I'm going to have Charlie Kirk come and speak.

00:28:31.000 I'm going to come bring a guest speaker.

00:28:33.000 This all makes a difference against their forced conformity, everybody.

00:28:37.000 It does.

00:28:38.000 And we know that because the media considers what Turning Point is doing.

00:28:42.000 They have to smear and slander us, like, oh, it's a big threat.

00:28:45.000 Yes, it is a threat.

00:28:47.000 The media is finally telling the truth.

00:28:49.000 Turning point USA is a threat to these Maoists that are taking over America because you tell the truth and you do it in a way that is appealing. 0.81

00:28:59.000 That's 100% true.

00:29:00.000 I'm going to tell you guys, a friend of mine named Brett Weinstein, you may have heard of, he went through a struggle session himself at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington a number of years ago, around when we were writing those fake academic papers.

00:29:11.000 And he has a saying that he says that I want you guys to think about a lot.

00:29:15.000 Even if you have a chapter with five members or 30, whatever.

00:29:19.000 Or I went to Northwestern, I spoke at Northwestern.

00:29:22.000 They told me there are 8,600 students on campus and 100 are conservative.

00:29:26.000 They're outnumbered 85 to 1.

00:29:28.000 That's a lot.

00:29:30.000 And that's discouraging.

00:29:31.000 But what Brett says is that one is a special number.

00:29:34.000 Zero and one are the two most important numbers here.

00:29:37.000 They want zero resistance.

00:29:40.000 Zero.

00:29:41.000 They don't have the ability in our free country at this point to make the number zero unless you quit.

00:29:48.000 If you don't quit, and there's five of you, five is not zero.

00:29:54.000 Five is one times five.

00:29:55.000 It is more than zero.

00:29:57.000 Even one.

00:29:58.000 We have one major social media platform where there's legitimate ability to speak our minds, and they are losing their ever-loving minds about it.

00:30:08.000 They are flipping out that Elon Musk bought Twitter, and people can say things on Twitter that aren't supposed to be said.

00:30:15.000 Speaking as somebody who got kicked off that platform for five months, yeah, Charlie got kicked off.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, they cannot abide a single truth teller.

00:30:25.000 And if you guys, again, you want to get biblical, look back in the Bible.

00:30:27.000 How many times is it?

00:30:28.000 Everybody's going all wrong.

00:30:29.000 What happens?

00:30:30.000 One prophet stands up and is like, y'all are screwing up, and all of a sudden, there's redemption.

00:30:36.000 And they screw up again.

00:30:37.000 Well, of course, because humans are humans.

00:30:39.000 That never changes, which they actually believe the other way around.

00:30:43.000 If I can interrupt, I really believe you guys are going to be the Joshua generation. 0.99

00:30:49.000 Look, how many of you have parents, raise your hands, that don't take this as seriously as you do?

00:30:53.000 Raise your hands.

00:30:54.000 Okay, about half the room.

00:30:56.000 That's interesting, isn't it, James?

00:30:58.000 Yeah.

00:30:58.000 So what do you make of that?

00:30:59.000 16, 17, and 18-year-olds, about half the room raise their hands that say that their parents don't take their involvement as serious.

00:31:07.000 Not that they don't care, but it's not as much as them.

00:31:10.000 What's going on?

00:31:11.000 It should be the other way around, shouldn't it?

00:31:13.000 It really should.

00:31:14.000 I mean, there are groups where I think it might go the other direction, but it's half.

00:31:18.000 There should be no hands that go up.

00:31:20.000 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:31:21.000 So what drives that?

00:31:23.000 Well, unfortunately, people my age have, we were in a very propagandized, I know you guys are in the most propagandized generation of all time.

00:31:31.000 We were in a very propagandized generation, and we went to sleep, and that's why you are in this unfortunate position.

00:31:38.000 So, what I see, though, is when half these hands go up, I see a lot of people who have become more switched on than we were, which is why we got in this mess.

00:31:48.000 For 50 years, conservatives basically went to sleep except for the ones that were trying to sell our country.

00:31:53.000 And that's unfortunate.

00:31:54.000 They were working really hard.

00:31:57.000 Now, we have a new generation.

00:31:58.000 You're talking about this Joshua.

00:32:00.000 We have this new generation ready to start stepping up, ready to start being truth lovers and truth tellers that are going to be the major problem for this organization or this agenda being pressed down on us.

00:32:11.000 And what do I mean by the Joshua generation, right? 1.00

00:32:13.000 So, God delivers his chosen people out of Egypt. 0.99

00:32:16.000 They're in the wilderness, but there is this generation that constantly complains, but they have no understanding of freedom.

00:32:22.000 All they remember is slavery, and there's this tension.

00:32:26.000 And God does not deliver them to the promised land.

00:32:28.000 In fact, he has to wait for that generation to kind of go away is a nice way to put it, right? 1.00

00:32:34.000 Moses and Aaron, they don't get to go into the promised land, right?

00:32:37.000 And it's not until Joshua are you able to actually deliver that promise.

00:32:42.000 Now, you could take that wherever you want, but what I think in the book at the end of Deuteronomy, you see that kind of fulfillment where it's right before kind of the first book of Joshua, it says it so clearly, where you guys are going to be a generation that I think are finally equipped to revitalize and restore self-government in this country.

00:32:58.000 I truly believe it.

00:33:00.000 I think that, and you have to embody it.

00:33:02.000 And this is not a negative towards your parents, but I get frustrated because you are more based than 90% of the boomers I talk to. 0.98

00:33:12.000 Do you guys, no, seriously?

00:33:14.000 Yeah, I was about to ask, do you guys trust the CDC?

00:33:18.000 Say it louder.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, that's what I thought.

00:33:21.000 But 90% of even some of our donors think that it's wrong to question the CDC or it's wrong to say the FBI should be broken up.

00:33:30.000 They think that CR, a lot of our donors are great.

00:33:34.000 I'm talking just like more macro, right, James?

00:33:36.000 Yeah, people like my age and up.

00:33:38.000 We're all like, well, yeah, the CDC says it.

00:33:40.000 Okay.

00:33:41.000 But now y'all are like, the CDC says it.

00:33:43.000 Do the opposite and we'll be healthy.

00:33:47.000 Yeah.

00:33:49.000 They're yelling for Fauci to go to Gitmo.

00:33:51.000 I mean, but this is promising to me because the kids are based.

00:33:54.000 Kids are based.

00:33:56.000 And abolish the FBI.

00:33:59.000 And this gives me hope in a sense because you know why you guys have these beliefs?

00:34:03.000 And this is why I'm as radical as I am on this stuff.

00:34:06.000 Is because you have to live around it all the time on high school and college campuses.

00:34:11.000 You are seeing the cultural revolution every day.

00:34:14.000 And then you kind of go to maybe your parents or your uncle or aunt.

00:34:16.000 You're like, you don't understand.

00:34:19.000 And they're like, oh, it's just a flag.

00:34:22.000 It's just pronouns.

00:34:24.000 Who cares if they just want to wear a dress?

00:34:26.000 They're like, you don't get it.

00:34:29.000 It's an all-consuming.

00:34:30.000 You must bend.

00:34:31.000 Every knee shall bow to the trans golden calf. 0.94

00:34:34.000 You don't get it.

00:34:35.000 They're like, okay.

00:34:36.000 Okay, little Johnny.

00:34:38.000 Like, whatever.

00:34:39.000 How many of you like understand what I'm saying right now?

00:34:41.000 Like, every hand goes up, right?

00:34:42.000 Right, right.

00:34:43.000 And some adults will get it, but it's like, you have to look up and be like, can you please stop these maniacs from coming after me?

00:34:50.000 And they're like, but will I still like have a good stock portfolio or like, you know, a country club membership?

00:34:56.000 You're like, they're literally making me do things that are totalitarian.

00:35:01.000 James, help me build this out.

00:35:03.000 Let me give you a story.

00:35:04.000 This is a true story.

00:35:05.000 It's about a month ago, I was talking with a very based mom, and she's telling me this story about she's taking her kid.

00:35:11.000 There's no like euphemism.

00:35:12.000 I told this story yesterday and somebody's like, is that a euphemism?

00:35:14.000 There's no euphemisms.

00:35:15.000 They're taking her son to go get chicken tenders at the fast food place or whatever.

00:35:19.000 And you know, some of y'all would have been 14 not that long ago.

00:35:22.000 He's 14.

00:35:23.000 He belts out an awkward question, as 14-year-olds sometimes do to their parents.

00:35:27.000 And he says, Mom, this is how bad it is, Charlie.

00:35:30.000 You're going to watch Charlie's face because he hasn't heard this story yet.

00:35:33.000 Mom, would you still love me if I told you that I'm not gay?

00:35:39.000 Told you.

00:35:40.000 Would you still love me if I told you that I'm not gay?

00:35:43.000 And she's, of course, flabbergasted.

00:35:46.000 She's like, buddy, I thought we were getting chicken tenders.

00:35:47.000 What's up?

00:35:49.000 And he's like, I'm just asking.

00:35:51.000 And she says, well, you know, do you get a lot of pressure?

00:35:57.000 I mean, I'm going to love you.

00:35:59.000 And she's all awkward.

00:36:00.000 And he's like, well, you see, this is the thing: they told us that if you're a real cool mom, you're accepting.

00:36:05.000 And if you're an accepting mom or accepting parents, then probably you expect us to be gay.

00:36:10.000 And there's a ton of pressure on us to be gay.

00:36:12.000 And so I didn't want to disappoint you because I'm not gay, but I didn't know if that was going to be an issue.

00:36:17.000 That's a 14-year-old in, it turns out a very blue state.

00:36:20.000 That is what they are doing to you.

00:36:23.000 So you fully understand.

00:36:26.000 And she is, of course, very based and immediately latched in and started doing things.

00:36:30.000 But most parents are not as dialed in as these based moms.

00:36:34.000 How many of you feel as if that it's fashionable, cool, or the easy thing to be gay, bisexual, trans, lesbian, gay?

00:36:40.000 Yeah, almost every single hand goes up.

00:36:43.000 And yeah, I mean, so like about how many of you would say that more than 20 to 30% of your school is lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans?

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:51.000 James, what's behind this?

00:36:53.000 40%.

00:36:54.000 You go to Brown?

00:36:55.000 No, I'm kidding. 0.99

00:36:56.000 Brown University, 40% of the kids are gay. 0.98

00:36:58.000 Would you say 40% of your school is gay? 0.96

00:37:00.000 Where do you go to school? 0.96

00:37:02.000 At high school.

00:37:03.000 What state?

00:37:04.000 In Arizona.

00:37:05.000 So what part of Arizona?

00:37:07.000 In Mesa, the East Valley, LDS, Mormon World. 0.99

00:37:10.000 40% of his high school is gay. 0.94

00:37:12.000 I don't believe it, but I believe it.

00:37:15.000 Is this forced behavior?

00:37:17.000 Okay, so you guys have probably heard this thing called social contagion.

00:37:21.000 I'm not talking about that.

00:37:23.000 There is a social contagion, which is not quite correct.

00:37:25.000 There's a strong incentive structure.

00:37:27.000 You guys all raise your hand. 0.87

00:37:28.000 Is it cool to be gay? 0.94

00:37:30.000 Yep, all the hands.

00:37:31.000 Who thinks it's like treated as cool to be straight?

00:37:35.000 Nobody's celebrating you.

00:37:36.000 You're not special.

00:37:37.000 You're not in whatever.

00:37:38.000 They've created an inverted incentive.

00:37:39.000 Momschooler hand goes up. 0.97

00:37:40.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

00:37:41.000 No, but they've inverted an incentive structure.

00:37:44.000 This is way beyond social contagion.

00:37:46.000 There's an incentive structure.

00:37:48.000 There's an incentive structure.

00:37:49.000 People follow incentives.

00:37:50.000 They've incentivized being broadly and academically, technically, the term queer, which is to be in a political position of resisting all of the norms of society, to resist normativity. 0.86

00:38:03.000 So they've created an incentive.

00:38:04.000 But it's even worse than that, Charlie.

00:38:05.000 What is causing this?

00:38:07.000 Social contagion alone cannot explain this.

00:38:10.000 The incentive structure alone cannot explain these numbers.

00:38:14.000 Maoism can explain these numbers.

00:38:16.000 Again, another history lesson.

00:38:17.000 Unfortunately, Mao, believe it or not, do you know what he used?

00:38:22.000 They didn't call it this in China, but you know what he used to make the red guard?

00:38:27.000 Intersectionality.

00:38:29.000 Intersectionality is what he used.

00:38:31.000 He created 10 different identity categories, and he classified you in those identity categories if you were younger primarily based on what your parents were.

00:38:41.000 Were you a rich farmer?

00:38:43.000 Are you a landlord?

00:38:44.000 Oh, that's bad.

00:38:45.000 Are you a counter-revolutionary?

00:38:47.000 Are you a bad influence?

00:38:48.000 That's bad.

00:38:48.000 Are you a right-winger?

00:38:50.000 That was one of the categories.

00:38:52.000 That's bad.

00:38:52.000 And if your parents were, you were.

00:38:54.000 And if you had any of these attitudes and they bullied you and struggled you.

00:38:57.000 Or on the other hand, were you a peasant?

00:38:58.000 Peasants use sickles, by the way.

00:39:00.000 Were you a laborer?

00:39:01.000 They use hammers, hammer and sickle.

00:39:03.000 There you go.

00:39:04.000 Or are you one of the many revolutionary groups, revolutionary volunteers, cadres, or martyrs, or your parents being a martyr?

00:39:11.000 Then you're in the good category.

00:39:12.000 So he created a pressure pump.

00:39:14.000 So what do you do now?

00:39:15.000 Well, critical race theory tells you that your national origin, your skin color, and all of this stuff is a problem.

00:39:20.000 So, what can you do?

00:39:21.000 Well, you better get activated.

00:39:23.000 You have to become an activist.

00:39:24.000 You have to become an ally, but it's still not good enough.

00:39:27.000 Allyship is problematic.

00:39:28.000 You're just doing it to make yourself look good.

00:39:30.000 You're just trying to get out of your feelings of racism. 0.53

00:39:32.000 This is the narrative from CRT, and it is complete poison.

00:39:35.000 But what do they dangle out over here?

00:39:38.000 Sexual identities. 0.60

00:39:39.000 Well, those are subjective, aren't they?

00:39:41.000 Can't you just decide you're bisexual this morning? 0.94

00:39:44.000 Can anybody question it?

00:39:45.000 That's the more important part.

00:39:46.000 Can anybody, if you showed up at school tomorrow and said, I'm pansexual and demi-romantic, could a single person at your school tell you, no, you're not?

00:39:56.000 They absolutely cannot.

00:39:57.000 So, guess what?

00:39:58.000 There is a not just social contagion, meaning your friends are like, oh, this is what's cool.

00:40:04.000 Not just an incentive structure, but also a pressure pump, an identity politics pressure pump to push people into identifying this way to escape the bullying and the oppression and the stuff that you're all raising your hand that you relate to.

00:40:20.000 To escape all of those pressures, all you have to do is come out as some sexual or gender identity, and then they'll celebrate you.

00:40:29.000 They'll affirm you.

00:40:30.000 They'll give you special privileges.

00:40:31.000 You're the king and queen of the prom.

00:40:33.000 You can be Miss Netherlands or whatever.

00:40:35.000 If you're a man, you could be Miss Netherlands.

00:40:36.000 That's right.

00:40:37.000 Yeah, male. 0.88

00:40:38.000 Male.

00:40:39.000 Or you could be a social media influencer.

00:40:42.000 You could be an influencer and have to move to Peru.

00:40:44.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 So, so, James, I want to get to some questions here because I know the audience is.

00:40:49.000 How great is James, by the way?

00:40:50.000 That's Mao, by the way.

00:40:52.000 And so, James, I want you to do this quickly because I really want to get to questions.

00:40:57.000 Name three of your principles that you are writing extensively about that could be applicable to them, the most applicable to them, because you're developing these rules.

00:41:05.000 Yeah, I'm working on developing these rules.

00:41:07.000 So, the first issue that's applicable to you, I already told you, this is the most important one, which is love the truth.

00:41:14.000 You have to start loving, it's a relationship with the truth.

00:41:18.000 You have to start loving the truth.

00:41:20.000 You have to take it in that regard.

00:41:23.000 If you don't, then you're lost.

00:41:25.000 You have no chance.

00:41:26.000 Second one, this is actually something I'm reappropriating from them, which is usually a powerful thing to do.

00:41:33.000 There is a guy, a communist guy, and then a socialist back in the 60s who became conservative and he wrote down this rule explaining what he experienced in the 60s radical environment.

00:41:43.000 And it was, the issue is never the issue.

00:41:45.000 The issue is always the revolution.

00:41:46.000 That means the thing they're trying to make you argue about, they're trying to make you argue about so they can do something else.

00:41:52.000 So, if you can learn, you've probably heard us talk about before, you've got to be discerning.

00:41:56.000 You've got to be able to figure out why they want you to argue about sex, gender, sexuality.

00:42:01.000 When I said all this stuff about why is there this incentive structure and then there's this pressure, this is Maoism.

00:42:06.000 They have a purpose for that.

00:42:08.000 If you learn to start identifying that the thing that they are making you deal with is not what they're actually interested in, but they have a purpose, then when you start to call it out, you can start to call it out properly.

00:42:19.000 You get to call it out not in terms of that's not, you know, you're racist.

00:42:22.000 No, I'm not.

00:42:23.000 Yes, you are.

00:42:23.000 No, I'm not.

00:42:24.000 That's what they want. 0.98

00:42:26.000 You're racist. 1.00

00:42:26.000 You want to control me. 1.00

00:42:28.000 That's a completely different dynamic.

00:42:30.000 So, that's the second thing: love the truth.

00:42:35.000 The issue is not the issue.

00:42:36.000 They're trying to tangle you up in a BS argument that they can manipulate you with.

00:42:41.000 They're trying to control you is always the answer.

00:42:43.000 And the third thing, this is the Daniel Penny rule.

00:42:46.000 This is the biggest one: listen close.

00:42:51.000 Always do the right thing, especially when it's costly.

00:42:57.000 The more they make it cost you to do the right thing, the more important it is to do the right thing.

00:43:02.000 The more likely you are to get in trouble for telling the truth, the more it is necessary you tell the truth and tell the truth today.

00:43:08.000 It will be worse in a week, in a month, in a year.

00:43:12.000 Always do the right thing.

00:43:13.000 So, why do I call it the Daniel Penny rule?

00:43:15.000 You guys know who Daniel Penny is.

00:43:16.000 Daniel Penny is the guy on the New York subway that put the guy in the chokehold that was being a total threat to the whole subway car.

00:43:23.000 He's threatening everybody.

00:43:24.000 He was threatening everybody.

00:43:25.000 He puts him in a chokehold, restrains him, and unfortunately the man dies later. 0.62

00:43:30.000 So now he's being perp walked and embarrassed and humiliated and put on trial by this corrupt Blue City DA.

00:43:38.000 He did the right thing.

00:43:40.000 They're making him pay.

00:43:41.000 And the narrative that you're seeing all over social media and the thing that they used to call the Ferguson effect with the police is, oh, well, they're just not going to do it now.

00:43:48.000 They've learned their lesson.

00:43:49.000 New Yorkers learned their lesson not to stand up for the protection of innocent people.

00:43:54.000 B.S.

00:43:55.000 You can't be that person.

00:43:57.000 The more they make it cost you to do the right thing, the more important it is to do the right thing.

00:44:01.000 You must always do the right next thing.

00:44:06.000 Always.

00:44:08.000 I love it.

00:44:09.000 All right, let's get to some questions.

00:44:11.000 And I think we have roaming mics.

00:44:12.000 Guys, try to make the questions around these themes we're talking about.

00:44:16.000 And I just want to compliment and encourage you guys.

00:44:18.000 I was so blown away by spending time with you upstairs at the breakfast.

00:44:21.000 You guys are so impressive.

00:44:23.000 James, don't you agree?

00:44:24.000 I mean, I've been mingling.

00:44:25.000 These people are awesome.

00:44:26.000 I mean, and this is, there's a lot of hope for America.

00:44:29.000 And I feel it.

00:44:31.000 I know.

00:44:31.000 I love coming to Turning Point because I come away with hope for America every single time.

00:44:35.000 I've been saying that since 2020, the first time you had me out.

00:44:38.000 That means a lot, James, because you're invited to a lot of different groups.

00:44:40.000 I am biased, but when one of you guys become a billionaire, please help make Turning Point even bigger because we need to bring this thing.

00:44:48.000 We need to defeat the culture revolution.

00:44:50.000 Am I right?

00:44:51.000 We need to defeat these bad, bad guys.

00:44:53.000 Chloe, I think the great Chloe has a question.

00:44:56.000 Dr. Lindsay, I was once in the Native American literature class, and I took a slightly unorthodox approach to writing papers.

00:45:03.000 I did not go scorched earth and dismantle their entire ideology, but I didn't, as Ben Shapiro said, like lie way through college.

00:45:12.000 Instead, I use their leftist language to convince them of conservative rhetoric.

00:45:18.000 In this case, it was like a writer of any race can write compelling characters, writers in any other race.

00:45:23.000 Do you think there's any value in this approach?

00:45:26.000 Yeah, I actually do.

00:45:28.000 I actually do.

00:45:28.000 What we have is, what you're facing, by the way, is a whole lot of people.

00:45:33.000 Most of the people you know maybe are in a cult.

00:45:36.000 And cult deprogramming is hard.

00:45:38.000 That's why you can't just go give them a fact and they change their mind.

00:45:41.000 People say, how do you get people out of a cult?

00:45:43.000 Well, the trick is, you got to think of it, it's like they're in propaganda space.

00:45:46.000 Their head is all clouded up.

00:45:48.000 They can't see the truth.

00:45:49.000 They can't love the truth.

00:45:50.000 They can't even see the truth.

00:45:51.000 And so what you have to do is there are different techniques that work with different people.

00:45:54.000 Some people laugh their way out.

00:45:55.000 Some people get convinced by some fact they can't square.

00:45:58.000 Some people get held to their own principles to kind of parody or to parrot Mr. Alinsky, to turn their own principle back on them.

00:46:05.000 This is an effective tactic.

00:46:06.000 There are a lot of effective tactics.

00:46:08.000 And so I talk a lot about you guys have got to think about different strategies.

00:46:11.000 I say, you know, all these different things to tell the truth, et cetera.

00:46:14.000 But I wrote fake papers too.

00:46:16.000 So there are different ways to deal with this.

00:46:18.000 This is a very effective way to cut in and make them reconsider their principles.

00:46:23.000 I'm hearing this happening with Antifa members in California right now where people are going out and actually trying to talk to them and they're shaking some of them loose.

00:46:29.000 It's unbelievable that it's working with those people.

00:46:32.000 That's a very effective tactic.

00:46:33.000 In general, you either are going to go scorched earth and argue, in which case you've done the right thing when it was hard to do and you're going to face the consequences and you need to do it like an adult man or woman. 0.80

00:46:43.000 Fine.

00:46:44.000 You can do exactly that kind of thing.

00:46:46.000 Try to understand their principles, their language, use it against them and get them to shake loose.

00:46:50.000 That's great too.

00:46:51.000 You can also, a third thing you can do is, and this is a story straight out of one of Mao's prisons.

00:46:56.000 There's a psychiatrist that studied people coming out of Mao's brainwashing prisons and there was one guy it barely affected at all.

00:47:02.000 And they were like, well, why didn't it almost, he's barely brainwashed it, like, didn't change his personality.

00:47:06.000 He's not messed up.

00:47:07.000 He's not like got all these problems.

00:47:09.000 What's the deal?

00:47:10.000 And it turns out the guy was a scientist.

00:47:12.000 And so he started studying the brainwashing process as a scientist.

00:47:15.000 He started to use it for a purpose.

00:47:17.000 In other words, he was spying on them, trying to figure out how they think.

00:47:19.000 Those of you that are interested in going to law school, you need to study how the left manipulates law on top of studying law itself.

00:47:25.000 And you need to come out the strongest, most conservative weapon for the law that's ever happened.

00:47:31.000 All of these are different approaches that can work.

00:47:33.000 They depend on you, on your temperament.

00:47:35.000 When I say that you've got to do the right thing, you have to ask yourself what the right thing is for you.

00:47:40.000 Some of you have the temperament to do that, some of you don't.

00:47:42.000 That's fine.

00:47:43.000 You have to ask yourself, and you have to live truly to who you are, and that's going to be authentic, and that's going to cut through and work.

00:47:49.000 So it's a great tactic, though.

00:47:50.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:47:51.000 That's great.

00:47:52.000 All right, let's get to the next question.

00:47:53.000 To your right.

00:47:54.000 Yep. 1.00

00:47:54.000 Is that Lacey over there? 1.00

00:47:55.000 Yeah.

00:47:57.000 Hi, Charlie and Dr. Lindsay.

00:47:59.000 My name is Sophia Paliuca.

00:48:00.000 I am the chapter president at Clemson University.

00:48:03.000 And I know you talked about the CCP infiltrating starting in 1949, but didn't make any sudden movement until the 60s.

00:48:10.000 I graduated from high school just a few years ago, and I don't remember any of these social issues being as rampant as they are today.

00:48:16.000 So I'm wondering what your opinion on, or what your opinion is on when this started.

00:48:22.000 When did this begin?

00:48:22.000 When did all this insanity was subtly introduced?

00:48:25.000 When did that happen?

00:48:26.000 And how can we ensure that this or discontinue really the current climate of that political discourse?

00:48:32.000 Yeah, okay.

00:48:33.000 So these ideas started to infiltrate the universities in the schools very significantly, just for the background that you asked for, in the 1960s and 70s, particularly the 1970s.

00:48:45.000 The schools of education became the target of activism at the academic level in the 1980s, so that all of the colleges of education became based on what's called critical pedagogy or Marxist education theory by 1992.

00:49:01.000 So this started to create a generational program.

00:49:04.000 So they started to, in the 60s and 70s, they started to get professors who were very radical.

00:49:08.000 They started to indoctrinate the next generation of teachers and professors.

00:49:12.000 By the 90s, they started getting K through 12 teachers in on their program.

00:49:16.000 And so that by 2012 to 15 or so, they had actually kind of softened up or demoralized enough people in my generation to where the people in your generation were sitting ducks that they, as children, that they could really go hard on.

00:49:32.000 They did not start properly with our cultural revolution.

00:49:36.000 The reason you've seen this stuff go absolutely bonkers in the last little while, even though it's been ramping up for 50 years.

00:49:42.000 They did not pull the trigger, so to speak.

00:49:44.000 Think of that as they're getting their ammunition, they're loading their weapon, et cetera.

00:49:47.000 They're aiming, they're sighting the target.

00:49:50.000 They didn't pull the trigger until George Floyd died and COVID happened, somewhere in early 2020.

00:49:55.000 That's when they decided now we are doing a revolution in this country.

00:49:58.000 That was their D-Day Pearl Harbor equivalent you want to make.

00:50:01.000 That was when they said, boom, we have the opening. 0.99

00:50:04.000 Bomb them.

00:50:04.000 That also, and this is part of why it's so crazy, was the day or the month or whatever when they decided we can't go back.

00:50:12.000 We've started this.

00:50:13.000 There's only one way.

00:50:14.000 The only way out is through.

00:50:16.000 They cannot go back.

00:50:18.000 The saying is that they cross the Rubicon and they know they cross it.

00:50:21.000 That's why they won't back off.

00:50:22.000 That's why they won't apologize.

00:50:23.000 And you have to understand that about them.

00:50:25.000 They will not back off.

00:50:26.000 You have to stop them, but they will not back off on their own.

00:50:29.000 They're fully committed.

00:50:30.000 But that's why it's so new, is they launched the full-blown program with COVID and George Floyd.

00:50:36.000 They will only stop if we stop them.

00:50:39.000 That's the only way they stop.

00:50:40.000 Okay.

00:50:41.000 This will be the final question.

00:50:44.000 Where are we at here?

00:50:44.000 On the other side?

00:50:45.000 Yes.

00:50:46.000 Hi.

00:50:47.000 I want to ask you.

00:50:48.000 So I've seen a lot of popular figures who, before they really entered into the mainstream, they were doing incredible work, really contributing to intellectual dialogue.

00:51:02.000 But once they began to pick up fame, they began to slide and really get sort of taken in by the leftist toxicity, leaning more and more left, putting conservative values down, lower in priority.

00:51:16.000 And so I was wondering if you have any advice, because hopefully some people here, we will someday be very prominent figures about how we can resist not falling into leftist traps and really still standing for conservative values.

00:51:33.000 Well, the short answer to this really is that it's the same reason that you're not dipping into, and I'm not talking about being homosexual, but you're not dipping into queer politics.

00:51:43.000 It's the same pressure pumps exist within when you start to become successful, especially if you start to become successful in media or information or something like this.

00:51:52.000 You become a talking head or a thought leader or a media personality or somebody that gets to go on TV.

00:51:57.000 They make it very, very, very hard for you.

00:51:59.000 They play games.

00:52:00.000 Here's a game.

00:52:00.000 You've probably noticed this game.

00:52:02.000 Somebody like myself gets invited to go on, say, Fox News or Tucker Carlson or something.

00:52:07.000 We go talk on Tucker Carlson.

00:52:09.000 None of the left-wing outlets, CNN, MSMEC, none of them will have us whatsoever.

00:52:12.000 And then they come out and say, oh, he's a darling of right-wing media.

00:52:15.000 He only goes on right-wing media.

00:52:17.000 Blah, So they trap you, and what they do is they cut off huge opportunities. 0.99

00:52:22.000 There are things that have not just media and exposure opportunities, but huge amounts of money, future opportunities.

00:52:29.000 You could come work with our foundation.

00:52:32.000 You could come and have this prestigious fellowship.

00:52:35.000 You could blah, blah, blah.

00:52:37.000 The only way you can get them, though, is if you make a few changes.

00:52:40.000 We've got to be careful about what we say.

00:52:41.000 We've got to be careful about how we think.

00:52:43.000 We've got to give a little bit over here.

00:52:45.000 And they will tempt you.

00:52:46.000 The devil doesn't just kind of show up one day and say, hey, by the way, would you like to sign up here?

00:52:51.000 I mean, maybe if you're Maui did.

00:52:52.000 But otherwise, he doesn't just show up one day and say, hey, sign over everything.

00:52:56.000 What he does is he asks you to lie a little bit, lie a little bit, to give a little bit of yourself away, to fit in, to gain prestige, to gain power, to gain money.

00:53:05.000 Little by little, by little by little.

00:53:06.000 So every time you tell a lie to fit in with your social group, you've sold a piece of your soul.

00:53:12.000 Every time you capitulate to a struggle session and just confess a little, maybe I was a little racist.

00:53:17.000 No, you weren't.

00:53:19.000 You're good people.

00:53:19.000 No, you weren't.

00:53:21.000 No, you weren't.

00:53:22.000 You sell a little bit of your soul.

00:53:23.000 Every time for your specific question, every time you say, you know what, I'll compromise on my principles for opportunity or money.

00:53:30.000 You've sold a much bigger piece of your soul.

00:53:32.000 Those temptations will be everywhere.

00:53:34.000 And you have to be willing to discern them and say, no, it's not worth my soul to have more fame or more money.

00:53:42.000 So, and I want to add on to what James said here in closing.

00:53:46.000 Always tell the truth, yes, but remember the Ten Commandments are written in the negative.

00:53:50.000 Do not give false testimony against your neighbor.

00:53:53.000 It's better to just first say, don't lie, and then if you tell the truth, that's even better.

00:53:58.000 Okay?

00:53:59.000 And I might say, well, Charlie, isn't that the same thing?

00:54:01.000 No, those are two different things.

00:54:03.000 Not lying and telling the truth are actually fundamentally two different things in ethics.

00:54:08.000 So let's all start with what is the marching order from Turning Point USA's chapter leader?

00:54:12.000 Do not lie.

00:54:13.000 Don't lie about even the small things.

00:54:15.000 Where were you?

00:54:16.000 What were you doing?

00:54:16.000 What are you eating?

00:54:17.000 What do you believe?

00:54:18.000 Just don't lie.

00:54:19.000 You'd be amazed if you start to police your own language and your behaviors, how much you've actually probably grown accustomed to little white lies and little skimming of the edges.

00:54:28.000 That allows the enemy to win.

00:54:29.000 But when you become 100% honest in everything you do, you become a happier person.

00:54:34.000 The most unhappy people are people that lie all the time.

00:54:38.000 They're the most tyrannical people, the most authoritarian people, the most depressed people.

00:54:42.000 And so, James, you have one minute remaining.

00:54:44.000 Final thoughts.

00:54:46.000 These are our 600 top high school and college leaders influencing hundreds of thousands of people.

00:54:51.000 This is the Navy SEALs green beret of the freedom fighting movement to launch a counteroffensive sabotage campaign against the Maoists.

00:54:58.000 Final marching orders.

00:54:59.000 It's real simple, guys.

00:55:01.000 They need you.

00:55:02.000 They need you very, very, very badly.

00:55:05.000 They need you and they need your peers.

00:55:08.000 Which means if they don't get you and your peers, they fail.

00:55:12.000 They have no chance unless they take over the next generation and make them conform to woke goofiness or whatever else they bring down the pike next week, climate sustainability, or whatever else. 0.96

00:55:21.000 Which means you are the bulwark.

00:55:25.000 You are the thing standing in the gap.

00:55:28.000 So you have to do everything that we've said.

00:55:30.000 You have to do the hard thing when it costs the right thing when it costs you.

00:55:33.000 You have to tell the truth.

00:55:34.000 You have to be able to be discerning to know that they're trying to control you and refuse to be controlled.

00:55:38.000 You have to do these things and you have to keep being a beacon for your classmates, for your schoolmates, for the other people on your campus.

00:55:47.000 You have to keep doing the tables.

00:55:48.000 You have to get out.

00:55:49.000 You have to be visible.

00:55:50.000 You have to be a thorn in their side.

00:55:51.000 You've got to just keep going.

00:55:53.000 The most, I got 20 seconds, the most important thing in the world is they win when you quit.

00:56:01.000 Do not quit.

00:56:03.000 Do not quit.

00:56:05.000 James Lindsay, everybody.

00:56:07.000 Thanks, man.

00:56:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:56:10.000 Email us your thoughts.

00:56:11.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:56:14.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:56:19.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 27, 2023

The Legend of James Lindsay: A Conversation at the Chapter Leadership Summit

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