00:01:17.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:25.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:04.000Like if it was PhD in queer studies, like whatever.
00:02:09.000He has an IQ that is beyond comprehension.
00:02:13.000James Lindsay, though, being in math, being in that space, gravitated also on realizing this woke mind virus was taking down the entire civilization.
00:02:37.000He has some hilarious stories he's going to share of where he wrote some fake academic journals that got accepted pretending to be woke.
00:02:46.000But Dr. James Lindsay is, in my opinion, the clearest, most courageous, and also fun academic that is going to help you have the intellectual ammunition to be able to push back against your professors and your snobbish classmates.
00:03:29.000Well, so, James, why don't you talk a little bit about the fake academic journals?
00:03:34.000I think that will give people a picture into your brilliance and also trolling the bad guys to show their idiocy.
00:03:42.000Yeah, so this is actually going to be kind of useful for you all on campus if you end up having to go to toe-to-toe with one of your professors or whatever.
00:03:49.000So, way back in the day in like 2017, a couple of friends of mine and I, Peter Bogosh and Helen Pluckrose are their names, decided that it would be useful to write a bunch of fake academic articles in gender studies, queer theory, critical race education, and the whole gamut, feminist theory.
00:04:07.000And so, what we did was we sat down, we thought, let me tell you why on earth would you do this, first of all.
00:04:12.000We thought, you know, we were trying to criticize it.
00:04:14.000Like, you guys have probably tried to stand up to it, tried to say, this is wrong, this is a mistake, here's what the fallacies are, here's where the errors in logic are.
00:04:21.000And they didn't care, and they said, you don't have a PhD in it, so you can't say anything.
00:04:26.000So we thought, well, if we get a bunch of papers published, that's like better than a PhD.
00:04:29.000Like three papers is equal to a doctorate in most fields.
00:05:13.000And so then I get further down and it's like, well, you know, those satellite images, what they really should work in, there's this feminist and she's a painter.
00:05:19.000They should include her paintings alongside their satellite images to study glaciers.
00:05:23.000And it's like, you've got to be kidding.
00:05:24.000Then there's like, you've got to call the glacier on the phone and listen to its sounds.
00:05:28.000And there's a phone number in the paper.
00:06:48.000Seven of those papers got accepted, and academia just put its head in the sand and pretended it didn't happen.
00:06:55.000So when you guys get up against some of your professors and they say all this crazy stuff about queer theory this or whatever that and you say, well, how do you know that?
00:07:18.000You wrote it in a way of their lingo where they were applauding you and they thought it was like really smart and really interesting of the stuff that you were publishing.
00:07:43.000And so we had one real name and we made up names.
00:07:45.000But the reason we got found out, they really did get published, the dog-humping paper is a little ridiculous.
00:07:50.000I can't actually express to you in PG terms how ridiculous it is.
00:07:55.000But they loved this paper and it got published.
00:07:57.000And journalists started to look at this paper and like, there is no way this is real.
00:08:02.000And some journalists just dug on it and dug on it and dug on it.
00:08:05.000So you guys, these were, the one who dug was a college student who wouldn't let it go.
00:08:11.000It was a college student, and she couldn't get her paper, you know, people to pay attention to her articles and like campus reform or whatever it was she was writing for.
00:08:19.000So she sent an email to a friend she made at a conference like this that she met at the Wall Street Journal, and the Wall Street Journal got a hold of us and we had to come clean.
00:08:26.000And so don't ever think for a second that you're too young to make a difference.
00:08:31.000But Charlie, one of these papers, talking about their lingo and fooling them, one of these papers was about Hooters, the restaurant.
00:08:40.000And I wrote some really absurd and lewd things about Hooters.
00:08:44.000And the editor of the journal wrote a personal note on the document when she sent it back and said, oh my God, I've never been to one of these places.
00:09:15.000So then, James, you did the academic story, but then you came out with the book Cynical Theories, Race Marxism, Marxification of Education, and you have now been a relentless and effective critic of CRT.
00:09:28.000And now something I'm going to ask you, James, what is woke?
00:09:32.000Woke is denouncing everything you want to control until you control it.
00:10:18.000Woke is an excuse to use ideas like bigotry to take control of people and institutions.
00:10:25.000And so James, let's talk about a couple elements of this.
00:10:30.000Every single one of these kids, unless they go to Hillsdale or Liberty, are going to be hearing kind of like this relentless campaign from professors and teachers.
00:10:39.000You're white, you're not allowed to comment on this.
00:10:42.000Or you don't understand that we are systemically racist.
00:10:47.000And how should, let's just say there's a white student in the audience here and a professor says, you're white, you're not allowed to comment on this.
00:11:14.000We're sitting there talking, and this guy's talking about affirmative action and how it's led to some issues at his factory, the blue-collar guy.
00:11:21.000And the academic white woman says, that sounds a little bit racist.
00:12:07.000We said that the teachers should not allow white male students to talk in class.
00:12:11.000They should listen and learn in silence, can't ask questions, can't raise their hand, don't get their emails answered, get spoken over, should have to sit in the floor, they can wear chains to experience reparations in class, be humiliated and embarrassed.
00:12:22.000But we should do it compassionately because we're writing funny papers, right?
00:12:25.000And so, we have to do it with compassion.
00:12:27.000And the peer reviewers, this, Charlie, is the turning point, by the way.
00:12:31.000The peer reviewers wrote back and said, We love this idea, but you can't use compassion because that might recenter the needs of the privileged students over the oppressed students.
00:12:40.000And I said, Oh my god, there's a genocide at the end of this.
00:12:45.000A couple weeks later, you're married, you'll understand how this works.
00:12:47.000I went a couple weeks later, said to my wife, Can I quit my job and dedicate it to studying this and exposing it?
00:12:54.000Because this ends at the end of civilization, is where this goes.
00:12:57.000And you have to be able to stand and say, Listen, my opinion counts too.
00:13:02.000And if you don't want to count it, let's hear you just own that.
00:13:04.000Make them own the things that they actually believe that are horrible, that are un-American, that are immoral, that are sometimes absolutely perverse.
00:13:15.000That's what we've been doing for a couple years now, and it's the most effective tool.
00:13:19.000You're not going to win in the moment with somebody who has tons of power over you, but you can set them up to be humiliated and embarrassed, or maybe even at the end of a lawsuit.
00:13:27.000How do you respond, James, when you hear from an activist, a classmate, a professor, administrator, that I have my own truth and you have your own truth?
00:13:37.000You just asked them, I guess, is that true?
00:13:39.000Is that universally true for like everybody?
00:13:41.000Like that there are truths for some people and not truths for other people?
00:13:45.000Because what they're doing is they're saying, I have special knowledge nobody else is allowed to have.
00:13:50.000And you have to ask them if something like that is universally applicable.
00:13:54.000What on earth gives them the right, the authority?
00:13:57.000Why do you believe you have the authority to know things nobody else can know?
00:14:12.000And the truth, if you want to get technical about it, is that which any independent observer can go verify for themselves?
00:14:19.000And I believe the truth will set you free firmly and completely.
00:14:24.000And so, but James, even the term truth is a threatening academic concept, is it not?
00:14:33.000Yeah, because they have woven together the idea of truth and power, which makes sense because there is an immense amount of power, as in the exact kind of power that will take them out of the game in the truth.
00:14:47.000The truth will actually knock them off their pedestal.
00:17:14.000I do have a PhD, but it's in the wrong field.
00:17:16.000But then you could have somebody who has a PhD in the right field, but if they say the wrong thing, there's actually a guy, I think his name's Eric Anderson or something like this.
00:17:23.000He developed this whole concept of what he called inclusive masculinity, and he was all the vogue for a number of years.
00:17:28.000And then all of a sudden, he said something because he actually believes in observable objective reality.
00:17:34.000And he believes in empirical science, even though he's kind of in this sort of direction.
00:17:39.000And all of a sudden, they came for him.
00:18:13.000And I'm going to get a little biblical on you, if you don't mind.
00:18:16.000It doesn't just require truth tellers.
00:18:19.000It is hard to tell the truth, especially now, especially if you're in the disenfranchised or marginalized position that you are and don't dip into that victimization.
00:19:14.000You have to act like the truth is something that you actually have to advocate for, that you love, that you support in all ways and all corners.
00:19:23.000And that's the way that truth drives out lies, truth drives out darkness, truth drives out evil.
00:19:28.000It's absolutely necessary, not just that you speak the truth, but that you love the truth.
00:19:33.000And it's hard because it will knock you off your pedestal too.
00:19:38.000Now, James, let's get to something that every single person here will encounter.
00:19:42.000The queer theory, the LGBTQ mafia, the rainbow jihadis, you know, this like this tyrannical thing that we just lived through in the month of June.
00:19:54.000I've made the comparison that this is like conquered land and conquered territory with now we have competing flags, in fact, more pride flags than American flags.
00:20:26.000I actually want to switch that for you.
00:20:28.000I want to call them the Rainbow Guard, which has a historical precedent to the Red Guard in communist China.
00:20:34.000What we are living through, what you are experiencing day to day, and what you have been experiencing at least since 2015, although you may not have noticed it until 2020, is a cultural revolution, just like happened in China in 1966 through 76.
00:20:48.000You are living through a cultural revolution.
00:20:51.000Now, I have some bad news for the woke, for the mafia, or the jihadis or whatever, the Rainbow Guard, because Mao let loose in 1966 the Red Guard, which were his communist youth.
00:21:03.000He let loose to smash the four olds, to destroy the old culture, to destroy the old society, tear down statues, rename streets, cut off their old family names, and adopt new names.
00:21:13.000You know, they had dead names back then, too, that you couldn't say anymore.
00:21:23.000Do struggle sessions, dojang in Chinese.
00:21:26.000Struggle, people who had wrong political opinions, which often included humiliating them, putting them up for public spectacle, beating them sometimes to death in the streets, robbing them of all their possessions, embarrassing them, making them confess that they weren't good communists up to the standard.
00:21:42.000And, you know, that started in 1966, Charlie.
00:21:44.000In 1967, give you an idea how powerful the Rainbow Guard could become, in 1967, one and a half years later, they went and they grabbed the chairman of the CCP, Liu Xiaoqi, who had become Mao's chief political rival, did it to him, dragged him, the dictator of China, out of his place of power, humiliated him in the street, sent him off to die in misery in the countryside.
00:22:08.000And then you know what Mao did after he got his seat back because they deposed his political rival?
00:22:13.000A month later, at the end of 1967, he declared, oh, the Red Guard is too left.
00:23:43.000That means that there were 16 and a half years during which the communists already had been breaking Chinese society.
00:23:51.000In 1958 and 9, Mao Zedong launched a program that was supposed to bring China to the top of industrial standards of the world called the Great Reset.
00:24:06.000But I did that on purpose as a joke because the fact of the matter is the Great Reset is meant to break the U.S., break the West, break Europe, break Australia, New Zealand, Canada, exactly in the same way because the reason the cultural revolution worked is by 1962, we cannot comprehend, unless you lived there or you have parents or grandparents who lived there the devastation that this caused.
00:24:31.000The reason Mao had a political rival in Liu Xiaoqi was they made him leave office.
00:24:36.000They kicked him out as dictator because he killed 55 million people and ruined the Chinese economy in three years with the Great Leap Forward.
00:24:47.000I did the math on this the other day, Charlie.
00:24:49.000You guys have ever seen the Great Pyramids at Giza in Egypt?
00:24:52.000So you know there's the two big ones and then there's the smaller one, then there's those three little ones?
00:24:56.000Well that smaller one, the medium-sized one, if you took the skulls of the people who were murdered in the Great Leap Forward only and stacked them up in a square pyramid, that's how big it is.
00:25:40.000And this is why what you're doing is so important.
00:25:44.000This is why President Trump, Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Dan Bongino, they want to spend time with you because they have to go through the youth, right, James?
00:25:52.000Is that they go through Mao's Red Guard was primarily young college kids.
00:25:58.000It was introduced through the CCP's university system.
00:26:15.000He took every textbook in China and got rid of every single one.
00:26:20.000And for the next two years, between 50 and 52, they brainwashed the teachers and you were not allowed back in the classroom until you passed your socialist proof exam.
00:26:29.000And they rewrote the textbooks so that people didn't even have textbooks.
00:26:34.000They didn't even have textbooks to learn.
00:26:36.000So for 1952 or so until 1966, they had 14 relentless years of communist education only from communist teachers who are towing the party line, who are completely indoctrinated and brainwashed.
00:26:50.000So the entire generation of young people who are entering what Mao called his revolutionary high schools and revolutionary colleges and universities were brainwashed on his program.
00:27:00.000And that is who he activated into the Red Guard to go take over.
00:27:05.000Why do you think that they're pushing queer theory in the schools?
00:27:10.000So that they can brainwash and break a generation of people your age and younger so that when George Floyd dies, for example, they'll go out in the street and tear down statues and break windows and burn down buildings and kill people and yell at people and everything else.
00:27:23.000So that they will throw a gigantic fit when their life isn't going the way that it is and demand hope and change at every turn.
00:27:29.000So they will go and tell you that you are wrong and you are bullied, or you need to be bullied and struggled into having the right beliefs against racism and transphobia.
00:27:38.000They are activating an entire generation of David Hoggs and the youth to go out and mess up our society because they know it's possible.
00:27:46.000They know it works because it's been done before.
00:27:48.000And the threat to them is you, is Turning Point USA chapter leaders scattering across the country after this, going to high school and college campuses.
00:27:57.000And you might say, well, Charlie, my chapter has five people like the question, you know, yesterday.
00:28:04.000Relentless rebels launching a sabotage campaign against their plan throws sands in the gears.
00:28:11.000It is this remnant of rebellion that makes their revolution hard, that makes fun of them, that mocks their ideas, that is relentless against their pressure campaign.
00:28:22.000Like, no, I'm actually not doing that.
00:28:47.000The media is finally telling the truth.
00:28:49.000Turning point USA is a threat to these Maoists that are taking over America because you tell the truth and you do it in a way that is appealing.
00:29:00.000I'm going to tell you guys, a friend of mine named Brett Weinstein, you may have heard of, he went through a struggle session himself at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington a number of years ago, around when we were writing those fake academic papers.
00:29:11.000And he has a saying that he says that I want you guys to think about a lot.
00:29:15.000Even if you have a chapter with five members or 30, whatever.
00:29:19.000Or I went to Northwestern, I spoke at Northwestern.
00:29:22.000They told me there are 8,600 students on campus and 100 are conservative.
00:29:58.000We have one major social media platform where there's legitimate ability to speak our minds, and they are losing their ever-loving minds about it.
00:30:08.000They are flipping out that Elon Musk bought Twitter, and people can say things on Twitter that aren't supposed to be said.
00:30:15.000Speaking as somebody who got kicked off that platform for five months, yeah, Charlie got kicked off.
00:30:20.000Yeah, they cannot abide a single truth teller.
00:30:25.000And if you guys, again, you want to get biblical, look back in the Bible.
00:31:23.000Well, unfortunately, people my age have, we were in a very propagandized, I know you guys are in the most propagandized generation of all time.
00:31:31.000We were in a very propagandized generation, and we went to sleep, and that's why you are in this unfortunate position.
00:31:38.000So, what I see, though, is when half these hands go up, I see a lot of people who have become more switched on than we were, which is why we got in this mess.
00:31:48.000For 50 years, conservatives basically went to sleep except for the ones that were trying to sell our country.
00:32:00.000We have this new generation ready to start stepping up, ready to start being truth lovers and truth tellers that are going to be the major problem for this organization or this agenda being pressed down on us.
00:32:11.000And what do I mean by the Joshua generation, right?
00:32:13.000So, God delivers his chosen people out of Egypt.
00:32:16.000They're in the wilderness, but there is this generation that constantly complains, but they have no understanding of freedom.
00:32:22.000All they remember is slavery, and there's this tension.
00:32:26.000And God does not deliver them to the promised land.
00:32:28.000In fact, he has to wait for that generation to kind of go away is a nice way to put it, right?
00:32:34.000Moses and Aaron, they don't get to go into the promised land, right?
00:32:37.000And it's not until Joshua are you able to actually deliver that promise.
00:32:42.000Now, you could take that wherever you want, but what I think in the book at the end of Deuteronomy, you see that kind of fulfillment where it's right before kind of the first book of Joshua, it says it so clearly, where you guys are going to be a generation that I think are finally equipped to revitalize and restore self-government in this country.
00:37:50.000They've incentivized being broadly and academically, technically, the term queer, which is to be in a political position of resisting all of the norms of society, to resist normativity.
00:38:31.000He created 10 different identity categories, and he classified you in those identity categories if you were younger primarily based on what your parents were.
00:39:46.000Can anybody, if you showed up at school tomorrow and said, I'm pansexual and demi-romantic, could a single person at your school tell you, no, you're not?
00:39:58.000There is a not just social contagion, meaning your friends are like, oh, this is what's cool.
00:40:04.000Not just an incentive structure, but also a pressure pump, an identity politics pressure pump to push people into identifying this way to escape the bullying and the oppression and the stuff that you're all raising your hand that you relate to.
00:40:20.000To escape all of those pressures, all you have to do is come out as some sexual or gender identity, and then they'll celebrate you.
00:40:52.000And so, James, I want you to do this quickly because I really want to get to questions.
00:40:57.000Name three of your principles that you are writing extensively about that could be applicable to them, the most applicable to them, because you're developing these rules.
00:41:05.000Yeah, I'm working on developing these rules.
00:41:07.000So, the first issue that's applicable to you, I already told you, this is the most important one, which is love the truth.
00:41:14.000You have to start loving, it's a relationship with the truth.
00:41:26.000Second one, this is actually something I'm reappropriating from them, which is usually a powerful thing to do.
00:41:33.000There is a guy, a communist guy, and then a socialist back in the 60s who became conservative and he wrote down this rule explaining what he experienced in the 60s radical environment.
00:41:43.000And it was, the issue is never the issue.
00:42:08.000If you learn to start identifying that the thing that they are making you deal with is not what they're actually interested in, but they have a purpose, then when you start to call it out, you can start to call it out properly.
00:42:19.000You get to call it out not in terms of that's not, you know, you're racist.
00:43:41.000And the narrative that you're seeing all over social media and the thing that they used to call the Ferguson effect with the police is, oh, well, they're just not going to do it now.
00:44:31.000I love coming to Turning Point because I come away with hope for America every single time.
00:44:35.000I've been saying that since 2020, the first time you had me out.
00:44:38.000That means a lot, James, because you're invited to a lot of different groups.
00:44:40.000I am biased, but when one of you guys become a billionaire, please help make Turning Point even bigger because we need to bring this thing.
00:44:48.000We need to defeat the culture revolution.
00:46:16.000So there are different ways to deal with this.
00:46:18.000This is a very effective way to cut in and make them reconsider their principles.
00:46:23.000I'm hearing this happening with Antifa members in California right now where people are going out and actually trying to talk to them and they're shaking some of them loose.
00:46:29.000It's unbelievable that it's working with those people.
00:46:33.000In general, you either are going to go scorched earth and argue, in which case you've done the right thing when it was hard to do and you're going to face the consequences and you need to do it like an adult man or woman.
00:47:43.000You have to ask yourself, and you have to live truly to who you are, and that's going to be authentic, and that's going to cut through and work.
00:48:33.000So these ideas started to infiltrate the universities in the schools very significantly, just for the background that you asked for, in the 1960s and 70s, particularly the 1970s.
00:48:45.000The schools of education became the target of activism at the academic level in the 1980s, so that all of the colleges of education became based on what's called critical pedagogy or Marxist education theory by 1992.
00:49:01.000So this started to create a generational program.
00:49:04.000So they started to, in the 60s and 70s, they started to get professors who were very radical.
00:49:08.000They started to indoctrinate the next generation of teachers and professors.
00:49:12.000By the 90s, they started getting K through 12 teachers in on their program.
00:49:16.000And so that by 2012 to 15 or so, they had actually kind of softened up or demoralized enough people in my generation to where the people in your generation were sitting ducks that they, as children, that they could really go hard on.
00:49:32.000They did not start properly with our cultural revolution.
00:49:36.000The reason you've seen this stuff go absolutely bonkers in the last little while, even though it's been ramping up for 50 years.
00:49:42.000They did not pull the trigger, so to speak.
00:49:44.000Think of that as they're getting their ammunition, they're loading their weapon, et cetera.
00:49:47.000They're aiming, they're sighting the target.
00:49:50.000They didn't pull the trigger until George Floyd died and COVID happened, somewhere in early 2020.
00:49:55.000That's when they decided now we are doing a revolution in this country.
00:49:58.000That was their D-Day Pearl Harbor equivalent you want to make.
00:50:01.000That was when they said, boom, we have the opening.
00:50:48.000So I've seen a lot of popular figures who, before they really entered into the mainstream, they were doing incredible work, really contributing to intellectual dialogue.
00:51:02.000But once they began to pick up fame, they began to slide and really get sort of taken in by the leftist toxicity, leaning more and more left, putting conservative values down, lower in priority.
00:51:16.000And so I was wondering if you have any advice, because hopefully some people here, we will someday be very prominent figures about how we can resist not falling into leftist traps and really still standing for conservative values.
00:51:33.000Well, the short answer to this really is that it's the same reason that you're not dipping into, and I'm not talking about being homosexual, but you're not dipping into queer politics.
00:51:43.000It's the same pressure pumps exist within when you start to become successful, especially if you start to become successful in media or information or something like this.
00:51:52.000You become a talking head or a thought leader or a media personality or somebody that gets to go on TV.
00:51:57.000They make it very, very, very hard for you.
00:52:52.000But otherwise, he doesn't just show up one day and say, hey, sign over everything.
00:52:56.000What he does is he asks you to lie a little bit, lie a little bit, to give a little bit of yourself away, to fit in, to gain prestige, to gain power, to gain money.
00:53:05.000Little by little, by little by little.
00:53:06.000So every time you tell a lie to fit in with your social group, you've sold a piece of your soul.
00:53:12.000Every time you capitulate to a struggle session and just confess a little, maybe I was a little racist.
00:54:19.000You'd be amazed if you start to police your own language and your behaviors, how much you've actually probably grown accustomed to little white lies and little skimming of the edges.
00:55:05.000They need you and they need your peers.
00:55:08.000Which means if they don't get you and your peers, they fail.
00:55:12.000They have no chance unless they take over the next generation and make them conform to woke goofiness or whatever else they bring down the pike next week, climate sustainability, or whatever else.
00:55:34.000You have to be able to be discerning to know that they're trying to control you and refuse to be controlled.
00:55:38.000You have to do these things and you have to keep being a beacon for your classmates, for your schoolmates, for the other people on your campus.