The Charlie Kirk Show - The Legend of Theodore Roosevelt with Rick Marshall

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, an entire episode focused on Theodore Roosevelt, one of the most interesting Americans.

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00:00:10.000 What can we learn from Theodore Roosevelt?

00:00:12.000 Was he a good leader, a bad leader?

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00:01:26.000 One of my favorite historical figures is Teddy Roosevelt.

00:01:33.000 We have a historian joining us.

00:01:36.000 To explore it.

00:01:37.000 Rick, I think it's Marshall.

00:01:38.000 Is that correct, Rick?

00:01:40.000 Welcome to the program.

00:01:42.000 It's Marshall and it's Theodore.

00:01:44.000 All right.

00:01:45.000 Well, tell us about the book.

00:01:47.000 Yeah.

00:01:48.000 It's called The Most Interesting American.

00:01:51.000 And it sounds like you're already sold on that concept.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, there's the cover.

00:01:56.000 It's my third Roosevelt book.

00:01:58.000 And the angle of this, Charlie, is that everyone knows Roosevelt, what he looked like, and he's on Mount Rushmore and he's on Stamps.

00:02:07.000 And we know the caricature and things he did, all his tremendous accomplishments.

00:02:11.000 But as a lifelong Roosevelt addict, I was realizing that the essence of the man, what his personality was like, and what he was, why he appealed to people and how he could be so persuasive, that's being lost to the public.

00:02:28.000 So I gleaned about 500 quotations, impressions, reports, diary entries, all that.

00:02:38.000 From people who knew him and encountered him, or maybe just met him once or saw him in a crowd.

00:02:44.000 So that's what the book is.

00:02:46.000 It took 10 aspects of his personality.

00:02:49.000 So it's none of his quotations, it's just what people thought about him and how they encountered him.

00:02:57.000 So we have a portrait of him through people who knew him and met him.

00:03:00.000 So that's the book in a big nutshell.

00:03:03.000 Well, he lived a full life.

00:03:05.000 And so let's go through a couple different parts of his life.

00:03:08.000 The one that people might not know.

00:03:10.000 If I'm not mistaken, my memory serves me correctly, he was police commissioner of New York City.

00:03:15.000 Is that correct?

00:03:15.000 Walk us through that part of his life.

00:03:17.000 Yeah, that's one of the things he did.

00:03:19.000 He was, it's about in the middle of his career, but he was in the New York legislature and civil service commissioner in Washington.

00:03:28.000 Then, yeah, then he was a police commissioner in New York and is in everything else he did ugly, honest, and incorruptible and colorful.

00:03:38.000 And he did that.

00:03:40.000 The police department was very corrupt then.

00:03:44.000 And he came in and enforced the closing laws.

00:03:49.000 And among the colorful things he did, he would go out after a full day of work at the police office, the commissioner's office, and he would roam the streets at night looking for policemen on the beat to see if they were doing their job or asleep or taking bribes, you know, like that.

00:04:10.000 So the press loved him and the public loved him and the crooks didn't.

00:04:14.000 And it just added to his growing reputation at that time.

00:04:19.000 So here's a question that I'm curious about.

00:04:22.000 What books, thinkers, authors, or philosophies were the most significant contributors to Teddy Roosevelt's worldview?

00:04:29.000 You know, they call him a populist, a nationalist, but in his own words, what informed his politics?

00:04:39.000 All right.

00:04:39.000 Well, glad you're asking that.

00:04:42.000 He was a student of history.

00:04:43.000 You know, he went to Harvard and he wrote, he made history, but he wrote history books.

00:04:48.000 But he was informed by a couple things.

00:04:51.000 And I will say, besides his heroes and the figures in history and his morality and such, a lot was his father.

00:05:00.000 And a lot of the books about him have not really explored the influence of his father.

00:05:07.000 You know, he was a blue blood, he came from New York aristocracy.

00:05:12.000 And his father was a philanthropist at that point and a do gooder and such.

00:05:19.000 But his father was a reformer and he favored reform.

00:05:23.000 He was never in politics, Charlie, but at the end of his life, President Hayes asked Roosevelt's father, Theodore Sr., and by the way, if I can say this, the Roosevelt we're talking about did not like to be called Teddy.

00:05:41.000 And he once said that, he, matter of fact, he often said that anyone who called him Teddy didn't know him.

00:05:47.000 So he discovered that.

00:05:50.000 So in my books, I'm careful to call him Theodore.

00:05:54.000 But his father, Theodore, was nominated to be collector of the customs office in New York City by President Hayes because it was a cesspool of corruption and he knew that the famous philanthropist Theodore Roosevelt would be incorruptible and could run it honestly, and he would have.

00:06:17.000 But one of the New York senators, it was under his skin that he wasn't consulted on this, and he also saw it as a source of bribery and such.

00:06:27.000 He opposed the Republican president and a Republican nominee and fought him like crazy in the Senate and persuaded the Senate to reject the nomination.

00:06:39.000 And for a period of several weeks, it was in the news and it was dirty, Roosevelt's father was besmirched.

00:06:47.000 It was just awful.

00:06:50.000 Al Roosevelt was away at Harvard at the time and was not really aware of the controversy.

00:06:56.000 And after he was defeated, his father was defeated in the Senate.

00:07:03.000 He didn't know this at the time, but he had stomach cancer.

00:07:05.000 And right after the defeat, he wound up in severe pain, died very quickly.

00:07:11.000 And of course, everyone connected the humiliation of that defeat with his death, but had a big impact on Roosevelt's life.

00:07:20.000 Came home, he was not there when his father died.

00:07:23.000 And famous at the time, just the idea that an incorruptible hero could be besmirched that way.

00:07:32.000 And it affected Roosevelt greatly.

00:07:35.000 He decided to go into politics.

00:07:38.000 And we know from his writings that he always was affected by that and kept his father's ideal in his mind.

00:07:45.000 So when he went into politics, he was incorruptible.

00:07:50.000 He fought in the 1884 convention, 26 years old, but was a major figure in that convention, trying to defeat the nominee who was a famous crook, Blaine.

00:08:02.000 And then, whether it was in the Civil Service Commission or the police commissioner office, as you ask, and then as President, it was really, he kept his father's example before him.

00:08:15.000 So a lot of the influence on him was his morality, his Christianity, his ideals, his heroes in history.

00:08:25.000 But really, I think he tried to live up to his father's ideals.

00:08:29.000 And it was a very important thing in his life and not sufficiently recognized, I think.

00:08:36.000 The book is The Most Interesting American by Rick Marshall.

00:08:40.000 You know, some parallels that we're seeing.

00:08:43.000 Potentially, that election of 1912 sticks out, third party, upset.

00:08:51.000 And I'm sure Rick wrote extensively about that.

00:08:54.000 I'm just genuinely curious what Theodore, former President Roosevelt, was thinking at the time, because based on my recollection of reading history and biographies, he was angry at William Howard Taft.

00:09:08.000 But maybe there's more to the story.

00:09:11.000 I will say this, and I think you would agree, Rick, he lived a full life.

00:09:15.000 Theodore Roosevelt, he lived a full life in every possible way, from winning a peace prize for ending the Ruscio Japanese conflict to his, what do they call it, the Roughnecks in Cuba?

00:09:30.000 Rough Riders.

00:09:31.000 Rough Riders, yeah.

00:09:32.000 He was not a boring guy.

00:09:33.000 He lived a full life.

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00:10:40.000 So, Rick, tell us we're going to kind of jump around Theodore's life here.

00:10:44.000 But the one that I want to talk about is the election of 1912.

00:10:46.000 Talk about the events that led to that and the historical significance.

00:10:50.000 I'm so grateful you're asking about that because a couple terms come up in relation to that populism, progressivism, and they had different meanings then than they do now.

00:11:02.000 But when he ran in 1912, you know, he had promised that he would, he pledged that after his resounding victory in 1904, that he wouldn't run again, but he meant consecutively.

00:11:15.000 He didn't plan to run in 1912, but Taft, who he handpicked, Really betrayed his policies.

00:11:25.000 He carried some out on a slab, and he betrayed Roosevelt in other ways, largely forgotten by history.

00:11:33.000 For instance, his environmental policies, Alaska was pretty much off the boards, and Taft let the Guggenheim Syndicate go in, lumber interests and such, and really have a chance to rape the whole state.

00:11:50.000 And Roosevelt considered that a betrayal and things like that.

00:11:55.000 And there were other things with the United States Steel Corporation, and Taft implied that Roosevelt to end the panic in 1907.

00:12:06.000 Let J.P. Morgan and others pick Roosevelt's pocket or pick Uncle Sam's pocket.

00:12:12.000 And Taft was in the cabinet then and he went along with it.

00:12:15.000 So Roosevelt just felt personally betrayed and his policies were being betrayed too.

00:12:21.000 So he jumped into the race.

00:12:23.000 But Roosevelt was not a populist at the beginning.

00:12:28.000 Populism, William Jennings Bryan was really on this golden cross, sure.

00:12:33.000 There we are in 1896.

00:12:35.000 But eventually came to adopt a lot of the Populist program.

00:12:42.000 Times were changing.

00:12:44.000 And Roosevelt started the administrative state, but he would be appalled today at Frankenstein's monster at what happened.

00:12:54.000 And he pretty much coined the term progressivism.

00:12:58.000 But there was a big difference, Charlie, between his progressivism and Wilson's progressivism.

00:13:06.000 And largely forgotten today, when Obama pushed for the health care changes.

00:13:12.000 He kept saying, Oh, Teddy Roosevelt favored this.

00:13:15.000 Well, he did not favor it.

00:13:16.000 He never was in favor of a national health care system or any of the stuff that modern day progressives favor.

00:13:24.000 And Wilson's progressivism turned into FDR's progressivism and Johnson and then Obama and everyone.

00:13:32.000 But Roosevelt today would never favor all that stuff.

00:13:37.000 He would not have.

00:13:39.000 He'd be appalled.

00:13:40.000 So he was a nationalist.

00:13:43.000 He did favor some government intervention, but as a referee in things.

00:13:50.000 And the problem with Roosevelt's progressivism is that every generation does not produce a Theodore Roosevelt.

00:13:58.000 To have a referee, you've got to have a sensible nationalist, constitutionalist.

00:14:05.000 And, you know, Roosevelt's come along, we wish, every generation, but not that often.

00:14:10.000 So it always was a challenge.

00:14:13.000 But.

00:14:16.000 I would that we had a Roosevelt certainly in foreign policy and in nationalism and in domestic policies, the way he managed things.

00:14:28.000 And we don't, and that's a problem.

00:14:30.000 If people were more inspired by Roosevelt, and that's one reason I do the book that's my third on him and do my speaking and such, is so we'd be inspired and could follow Roosevelt as we should.

00:14:42.000 The Most Interesting American is the name of the book.

00:14:44.000 Make sure you pick it up.

00:14:46.000 So, Rick, there is a divide on the right.

00:14:49.000 Glenn Beck, who we just had on this program, who I really enjoy and love, says, Theodore Roosevelt, no good.

00:14:57.000 Tucker Carlson says, Theodore Roosevelt, hero.

00:15:00.000 Help us understand this.

00:15:02.000 I'm very grateful you bring that up because some people on the right, and they're smart guys, Glenn Beck, you know, even Judge Napolitano wrote a book a couple of years ago taking Roosevelt to task, Roosevelt and Wilson.

00:15:18.000 And people on the right, and okay, some populists, modern day populists, and a lot of, okay, they don't understand this modern day progressivism, and there was Roosevelt's progressivism.

00:15:30.000 And I mentioned in the last segment that Wilson's progressivism has been a straight line to AOC today and the monsters who run the administrative state or are trying to.

00:15:46.000 Roosevelt's progressivism was not of that sort.

00:15:52.000 And he was, at his core, a nationalist and he was an individualist.

00:16:01.000 And his progressivism was what the generation in intervening years called rugged individualism.

00:16:11.000 So he wanted the government to play a role, but basically to preserve what individuals could do and what nationalists could do, and not to reject, as Wilson originally wanted, an agrarian vision, Jefferson's American, just small town farmers.

00:16:33.000 No, Wilson wanted.

00:16:34.000 And it was in his writings.

00:16:37.000 And it's distilled in Obama and AOC today, the administrative state.

00:16:43.000 And that was not Roosevelt's vision at all.

00:16:45.000 He wanted people to stand on their own two feet.

00:16:50.000 He wanted people to fail or succeed according to their lights.

00:16:54.000 And he just wanted the government out of the way.

00:16:57.000 And if it took a strong government to keep, okay, the corporations from calling the shots.

00:17:06.000 And interfering with free enterprise.

00:17:09.000 We can debate whether he was a capitalist.

00:17:11.000 He did not like crony capitalism.

00:17:14.000 That's why he won the trusts.

00:17:18.000 But he wanted people to fail or succeed according to their talents and make an even playing field.

00:17:27.000 And that has been lost, not completely, but that has been lost to a lot of people in history and Glenn Beck and Napolitano.

00:17:37.000 Should realize that.

00:17:39.000 And he's not only the most interesting American, but he was the most American American.

00:17:47.000 So, one thing I don't think Theodore Roosevelt only gets credit for, I mentioned this previously, is that there was a fair amount of economic anxiety that was brewing in the 1890s and 1900s.

00:17:59.000 We saw William Jennings Bryan, and he tried his best to capitalize on it politically.

00:18:04.000 Russia ignored a lot of this economic anxiety, which is why in 1917, You have the Russian Revolution and Bolsheviks' rise to power because we had one of the most transformational economic transitions ever from the farms to the factories.

00:18:22.000 Is it fair to say that Theodore Roosevelt was able to build that bridge successfully, that he was able to calm some of those economic anxieties through prudent government programs while being focused on a strong American middle class?

00:18:36.000 That you've actually distilled his programs and his policies.

00:18:42.000 Yes, that's the core of his.

00:18:45.000 Argument.

00:18:46.000 And, you know, after he left the presidency, and especially through the teens and then with the Russian Revolution, there was a lot of agitation, and including a lot of his former followers.

00:19:00.000 Now, you mentioned 1912 before.

00:19:03.000 A lot of his followers, through the end of his presidency and through the Bull Moose campaign, really veered toward the left and were very seduced by.

00:19:18.000 Bolshevism and such.

00:19:20.000 So a lot of his followers fell in with that, those movements.

00:19:27.000 But we need to remember, you know this, but what a lot of people forget is that some of the people who followed him into the Bull Moose campaign, he called immediately afterwards.

00:19:41.000 He was grateful for their support, but he called them the lunatic fringe because they went overboard.

00:19:47.000 They took the ball and ran with them.

00:19:50.000 And instead of reform, they wanted revolution.

00:19:54.000 And he just completely was turned off by them.

00:19:59.000 And a lot of them who wanted him to run again as a third party candidate in 1916, he utterly rejected them.

00:20:08.000 And he didn't even say thanks, but no thanks.

00:20:10.000 I mean, he really scored them and, as I say, called them the lunatic fringe.

00:20:15.000 He regretted, you might say, he started some of those balls rolling, but he knew what was dangerous in America.

00:20:25.000 And, you know, in 1919, he died in 1919.

00:20:29.000 And we had a severe recession.

00:20:31.000 It was brief.

00:20:32.000 Yep, that's right.

00:20:34.000 It was when World War I ended, everyone came home and there was this big recession, right?

00:20:38.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:20:39.000 Exactly right.

00:20:40.000 And there were labor problems and the radicals really, you know, Eugene V. Debs ran for president.

00:20:47.000 He was indicted, wasn't he?

00:20:49.000 Sorry to interrupt, but he actually was indicted, I think.

00:20:52.000 Sound familiar?

00:20:53.000 Sorry, please keep going.

00:20:55.000 No, he was.

00:20:56.000 And unfortunately, it was not for his economic lunacy, it was for his.

00:21:01.000 You know, opposition to World War I and all like that.

00:21:05.000 And Roosevelt was a big interventionist and everything.

00:21:08.000 But America was really on the brink in 1920 of turning radical.

00:21:14.000 And okay, so it didn't.

00:21:16.000 And Harding and Coolidge, Coolidge is not as appreciated as he should be, I think.

00:21:23.000 But Roosevelt really was at the bridges, he bridged those two movements and he was able to rein in.

00:21:34.000 Sort of like Luther did after the Reformation.

00:21:38.000 He had to calm a lot of the reformers at the time, and there was a counter-reformation, but Luther had to remind a lot of the people not to go overboard in smashing stained glass windows and statues and all like that.

00:21:56.000 And Roosevelt pretty much had to do the same thing and remind his followers to stay on the straight and narrow.

00:22:02.000 So I'm glad you recognize the difference between those who revere Roosevelt and those who.

00:22:09.000 Might not, no offense to Glenn Beck, but.

00:22:12.000 No, no, and this is not an attack on Glenn.

00:22:14.000 I just see it differently.

00:22:15.000 And I understand.

00:22:16.000 So, but this is how I actually think we prove it.

00:22:19.000 Was Theodore Roosevelt a German historicist believer?

00:22:23.000 Was he a believer in the arc of progressive history philosophically?

00:22:28.000 Yes, he was.

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:31.000 But, you know, it's all with qualifications.

00:22:34.000 We have to remember that one thing that made him the most interesting American is that, you know, he's.

00:22:40.000 Probably the only president we've had who it's plausible that in the first paragraph of his obituary, being president of the U.S. would not necessarily be the first item to check off.

00:22:56.000 So he was a historian, he wrote more than 40 books, and he would have been a famous and respected naturalist, natural historian, and a biographer and historian, and all like that.

00:23:09.000 So the movement you mentioned.

00:23:11.000 Yeah, he was in those currents and he taught and he lectured and he wrote and he was at the whirlwind of history too.

00:23:20.000 But he was, let me put it in another context if I might, but with Manifest Destiny, I mean, he saw the broad scope, the broad sweep of history.

00:23:34.000 And he saw America's role not just in a racial sense or an ethnic sense or a geographical sense in that way with Manifest Destiny, but he surely saw the sweep of history.

00:23:50.000 And when he would talk about social and industrial justice, He was not talking about socialism.

00:23:57.000 He rejected socialism.

00:23:59.000 But he really saw that the government and the state had a role, but he was not that he was ever scared silly about anything, but he did not want the mechanism of government to co opt the ideals of individualism and nationalism that he saw America as embodying.

00:24:23.000 It would be remiss on my behalf if we did not talk about just some of the Unbelievably interesting personal stories of Theodore Roosevelt.

00:24:31.000 True or not true, he was shot while campaigning and then finished a speech with a bloodstained shirt.

00:24:36.000 Is that folklore or is it fact?

00:24:38.000 It's fact.

00:24:39.000 He was shot at point blank range five feet away, and they wanted to take him to the hospital, of course, and he insisted on going, delivering his speech.

00:24:50.000 He had 90 minutes with blood streaming down his shirt, and he finished his speech, and they said, Now you can take me to the hospital.

00:24:57.000 And understand the context.

00:24:59.000 He became president because McKinley was shot and died.

00:25:04.000 And so then Theodore Roosevelt gets shot and he finishes the speech.

00:25:11.000 Yeah.

00:25:12.000 One anecdote about that is he was an outdoorsman, he was a hunter, he was a police commissioner.

00:25:17.000 He always carried a gun with him in case someone would attack him.

00:25:21.000 He didn't have the chance because someone came up quite blank range.

00:25:25.000 And he was always in harm's way.

00:25:28.000 And he wrote a friend after he was shot.

00:25:30.000 That always being at risk, always having a gun, always shooting, loving firearms and such and such.

00:25:38.000 And he wrote a friend after this happened.

00:25:41.000 He said he felt like the old maid who found a burglar under her bed one night and said, There you are.

00:25:49.000 I've been looking for you for 30 years.

00:25:52.000 So there he was, courting death, being a soldier, San Juan Hill and all like that, never being shot.

00:25:57.000 And then he was, and he wasn't able to shoot back.

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00:27:16.000 The most interesting Theodore Roosevelt stories, safaris, rhino hunting, in North Dakota.

00:27:23.000 What are the ones that just stand out?

00:27:24.000 You've done unbelievable research here.

00:27:26.000 Well, thank you.

00:27:27.000 And you've done, your questions are great.

00:27:29.000 I can answer that question by saying the way I organized the book was 10 aspects of his personality, and he has many more facts than that.

00:27:40.000 But the fact that, yeah, he was born sickly, had severe asthma as a child.

00:27:46.000 He fought his way back and became.

00:27:48.000 You know, physical specimen, a boxer and a hunter, and all like a cowboy.

00:27:52.000 So I tried to, you know, break it down a conservationist, a family man, a chapter on his faith, his Christianity.

00:28:01.000 Of all things he did not wear on his sleeve, it was his faith, but three of his books he named after, he took verses from the Bible.

00:28:09.000 He was an intensely faithful man, patriot, of course.

00:28:14.000 You know, his wife and his mother died, and a lot of people don't know this.

00:28:17.000 His wife and his mother died on the same day in the same house of different causes.

00:28:23.000 It devastated him.

00:28:24.000 It did.

00:28:24.000 It would anyone.

00:28:26.000 That's when he went out to the Wild West for two years and just rode the range, became a rancher and a cowboy, finished building his body.

00:28:35.000 And that was an aspect of his personality, too.

00:28:40.000 Just everything he did.

00:28:42.000 You know, I was attracted to him as a child.

00:28:44.000 Why?

00:28:45.000 I was a student of history.

00:28:46.000 Now I was too young to be a student of history.

00:28:49.000 I discovered this man who vaguely looked like my grandfather.

00:28:53.000 But even then, when he was not as respected, they went through a decline.

00:28:58.000 It was kind of a caricature in history books and everything.

00:29:02.000 But it just struck me that this man was so honest.

00:29:05.000 He courted controversy.

00:29:08.000 And the phrase that was said about Cleveland was said about him.

00:29:11.000 People said, We love him for the enemies he has made.

00:29:15.000 And he just didn't care who he offended.

00:29:18.000 He stood for the flag, he stood for America, he stood for himself.

00:29:22.000 And he was incorruptible.

00:29:24.000 He had enemies in politics, but no one ever did accuse him of being personally corrupt or in his private life or anything like that.

00:29:35.000 And who can we say that about in history or special?

00:29:40.000 And is it fair to say he was a man's man, an alpha male amongst the rest?

00:29:45.000 Riff on that for a second.

00:29:47.000 Well, that was absolutely the case.

00:29:50.000 And by the way, not that this is what you're implying, but the subject is collateral.

00:29:55.000 He wrote one of his papers in college in the 1880s on advocating the vote for women.

00:30:02.000 And he was for women's rights.

00:30:06.000 But he said about that equality of rights does not equate to equality of function.

00:30:12.000 So, I mean, he believed men should be men and assert themselves and have the manly virtues, a phrase he was not shy about using.

00:30:21.000 He brought up his sons that way.

00:30:24.000 And it was a hard thing when one of his sons all went into World War I and won.

00:30:28.000 One died on the battlefront, and he was haunted by that, that he inculcated those virtues in his sons to volunteer and fight and do.

00:30:39.000 But that was part of the package.

00:30:44.000 He was a man's man.

00:30:45.000 He went to Brazil. 0.96

00:30:46.000 He almost died.

00:30:47.000 Because you had a bug bite or something, right?

00:30:49.000 Or you got infected, right?

00:30:51.000 He got infected.

00:30:53.000 They got lost.

00:30:54.000 He was charting a tributary to the Amazon, and they got lost, and it was.

00:30:59.000 Virtual stream, no GPS in those days.

00:31:03.000 They were starving.

00:31:05.000 There were attacks from natives, and the porters went crazy.

00:31:11.000 One killed the other, ran to the jungle.

00:31:15.000 He got a fever because he was trying to save a canoe that broke loose and he hurt his leg and it got infected.

00:31:23.000 He had 105 fever, was delirious.

00:31:25.000 He wanted to take morphine to kill himself, but his son wouldn't let him do it.

00:31:30.000 His son was with him on that trip.

00:31:33.000 He lost 40 pounds.

00:31:34.000 In the jungle, and he saw it through, and that was just one of many adventures in his life.

00:31:40.000 Rick Marshall, excellent hour.

00:31:41.000 Thank you for your work.

00:31:42.000 The most interesting American.

00:31:44.000 I encourage everyone to check it out.

00:31:45.000 We all have something to learn from Theodore Roosevelt.

00:31:48.000 Thank you so much.

00:31:49.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:31:51.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:54.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 18, 2023

The Legend of Theodore Roosevelt with Rick Marshall

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