The Charlie Kirk Show - The Lying Press vs. You

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, against the corporate media, Michael Walsh joins the program of a new book that I helped contribute to, Why Americans Need to Fight the Corporate Media and Why We Need to Realize How Much They Hate Us.

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00:01:22.000 We're honored to have a friend of mine and a great American with a project that I helped participate in.

00:01:27.000 It is Michael Walsh, Against the Corporate Media is the book.

00:01:31.000 Everyone should check it out.

00:01:32.000 Against the Corporate Media, 42 Ways the Press Hates You.

00:01:35.000 Michael, welcome back to the program.

00:01:37.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:01:38.000 Thank you so much.

00:01:38.000 It's a pleasure to join you from far off Ireland, right this minute.

00:01:44.000 Well, very good.

00:01:45.000 You're in a very beautiful place.

00:01:47.000 I love Ireland and glad you could join us.

00:01:50.000 So, Michael, tell us about the book.

00:01:51.000 I was honored to participate.

00:01:52.000 We have all hours so we can go through elements of this and connect it to the news of the day.

00:01:57.000 Tell us about the book.

00:01:58.000 Well, first of all, your contribution was really important, Charlie, because it's your audience that we want to reach.

00:01:58.000 Great.

00:02:07.000 I've been around a long time and Don't know as many of the people from your generation, obviously, as you do.

00:02:14.000 And to have your voice in the book is super helpful for us, because your contribution, which is about the half-life of a lie, I think will really resonate with your listeners and followers and fans all across the country and the world, because your generation has been brought up on a lying media.

00:02:37.000 Back in the day when I was covering the fall of the Soviet Union in East Germany and in Russia, in East Germany, the press was referred to as the Lügenpresse, the lying media, because the citizens of East Germany who were prisoners, that's why they had a wall to keep them in, knew the media was lying to them.

00:02:59.000 And there wasn't anything they could do about it because it was a one party state and it was a one media party.

00:03:05.000 And we see the way America's going now, so as a result of that, my colleagues and I in this project decided that the media should be our next target.

00:03:16.000 We started off with a book a couple years ago called Against the Great Reset, and now we've followed it up with Against the Corporate Media, 42 Ways the Press Hates You.

00:03:28.000 And they hate us, let's face it, Charlie.

00:03:30.000 You know, you're on the receiving end of it a lot.

00:03:32.000 Oh, no, they love me, Michael.

00:03:33.000 Are you kidding me?

00:03:34.000 No, I'm not.

00:03:35.000 Well, you're a sweetheart.

00:03:36.000 I'm the darling of their... So we got a lot of great people in this book.

00:03:41.000 Yeah, talk about some of the names.

00:03:42.000 Talk about some of the contributors you have.

00:03:44.000 Yeah, well, I've got it here and I can read off some of them.

00:03:47.000 I mean, they're all going to be familiar to everyone who's listening.

00:03:51.000 So we start off with the great Lance Morrow, who was a colleague of mine at Time Magazine for many years in the 1980s and 90s, still quite an active writer.

00:04:02.000 Drew Klavan, I think a lot of people know him from his thrillers, from his screenplays, from his work now with Ben Shapiro and his very influential podcast.

00:04:18.000 Dave Reavoy, John O'Sullivan, another old friend and colleague of mine.

00:04:23.000 Charlie Girk, that would be you.

00:04:25.000 John Gabriel, who's a fellow Arizonan.

00:04:29.000 Let's see, who else have we got here?

00:04:33.000 From Canada, we have Elizabeth Nixon, who's got a huge following on Substack, talking about the dreadful media and the situation in that country.

00:04:45.000 I talked about criticism, so I got the best movie critic in the United States, who's a man named Armand White, who has written for many publications over the years, now writes for National Review.

00:04:57.000 Uh, Monica Crowley, of course, everyone knows her. 0.63

00:05:01.000 Steve Hayward, Nick Searcy, Sebastian Gorka.

00:05:03.000 You get the idea.

00:05:04.000 We, I reached out to as many really interesting and thoughtful people as I could think of.

00:05:12.000 And, and finally we're here.

00:05:14.000 September 10th is our pub date and September 12th, we launched the book with a media event in London, England.

00:05:22.000 So we've gone international with this and I think it's crucial.

00:05:27.000 As you well know, this is not just a local fight.

00:05:31.000 The forces we're battling are everywhere.

00:05:33.000 They're here in Ireland, they're in England, they're in the United States, and these are the forces against freedom of expression, against the First Amendment, which only we have, of course, in this country, but generally against your right to speak your mind, and that is the most fundamental right In the development of liberal democracy in both 18th century Britain and in 18th century United States.

00:06:00.000 So we're in a fight of our lives, and I think it's really important everybody understands that.

00:06:04.000 So, I want to just go through historical analysis first.

00:06:07.000 I love the title, Corporate Media.

00:06:10.000 Has the media always been an attache of the biggest companies and the most powerful interests?

00:06:19.000 Did we see that change in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s?

00:06:23.000 And how would you define that term, Corporate Media?

00:06:26.000 Yeah, yes and no is the answer.

00:06:27.000 I started out Working for Gannett Newspapers in Rochester, New York in 1972.

00:06:35.000 Gannett was at one point the largest newspaper chain, I think in terms of number of newspapers in the United States.

00:06:42.000 It later went on to create USA Today, which was the most widely distributed newspaper in the United States.

00:06:48.000 This is before the death of newspapers.

00:06:50.000 I worked for Hearst in San Francisco at their flagship paper, the San Francisco Examiner.

00:06:56.000 And I worked for Time Incorporated at Time Magazine for 16 years between 1981 and 1997, more or less.

00:07:04.000 So the criticism of the media being a tool of the moneyed interests, the aristocracy, the business class, uh, the political classes has always been leveled against the media.

00:07:16.000 And I think in generally, generally speaking, that's been true.

00:07:21.000 It's, it, it, it hired reporters from The lower middle classes, if not actually the poor in many cases in the early 20th century.

00:07:31.000 But it was owned by rich guys with barrels of ink and access to newsprint.

00:07:38.000 What's changed is the reporters, Charlie.

00:07:40.000 So when I started as a 22-year-old kid out of the Eastman School of Music, so I was a musician, pianist, etc., they put me right on the police beat.

00:07:55.000 And that was the best thing that ever happened because you got to learn journalism from the ground up.

00:08:01.000 Murders and suicides and robberies and how to write your story fast and get it in on deadline.

00:08:07.000 It was a morning newspaper.

00:08:08.000 So you wrote right up to the magic hour of midnight if it was a breaking news story.

00:08:16.000 And the men that I worked with, and they were mostly men, although women were starting to come into the profession.

00:08:22.000 were didn't have college degrees.

00:08:25.000 I don't think some of them had high school degrees.

00:08:28.000 They tended to be streetwise and ambitious in the sense that they were devoted to their profession, which wasn't opinionating or editorializing.

00:08:40.000 It was about getting the story.

00:08:41.000 You weren't allowed to express your opinion.

00:08:44.000 So until you had earned the right to do so, and even then as a reporter, you never got that right.

00:08:50.000 That was reserved to other people on the staff.

00:08:53.000 But as we started to insist on higher education degrees for media people.

00:09:00.000 This is such an important point.

00:09:01.000 I completely agree with this.

00:09:03.000 That's when it changed.

00:09:04.000 When everybody you work with went to Harvard, you're in the wrong place.

00:09:09.000 You are in the wrong place.

00:09:12.000 Because I remember the guy that was on the copy desk when I was just starting out turning in copy.

00:09:20.000 John B. Kenney, he was an old Irishman from Rochester, upstate New York somewhere, and he held you to the strictest standard to being on time, being right, expressing yourself.

00:09:33.000 You really honed your craft.

00:09:35.000 And later on, when I became a critic, I was allowed to express my opinion because that was the job.

00:09:41.000 But those early years that I spent as a reporter were formative, formative in terms of Information gathering, how to write fast, how to write quick.

00:09:48.000 And frankly, all the success I've had since then, whatever it's been, whether it's been literary success, writing thrillers, writing in Hollywood, is because I had those two years on that.

00:10:00.000 And because it was not an Ivy League guy telling me what I should think, but it was a street guy telling me what I should do.

00:10:07.000 And that's what made great reporters back in the day.

00:10:12.000 And now I think the Ivy League and the college degrees, Uh, you, you draw from the same social class as the people you're supposed to cover.

00:10:21.000 And that's not good because they're all friends.

00:10:23.000 You know this.

00:10:24.000 I mean, I've been in business 50 plus years and I know many of the most famous names in American journalism or I've worked with them or they're, they're, they were friends, certainly social acquaintances.

00:10:35.000 Uh, This is such a profound point.

00:10:41.000 It's more of a social club and protecting the class than actually challenging or exposing the powerful.

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00:12:02.000 Against the Corporate Media is the book Against the Corporate Media.

00:12:07.000 Michael, you were talking about how reporters themselves have changed.

00:12:11.000 It used to be where you had to do very difficult, hustle-type work, as you mentioned.

00:12:17.000 You have to work your way up through the ranks.

00:12:19.000 But what are they now teaching at J-schools?

00:12:21.000 It seems as if they're not teaching them how to be journalists, but instead just kind of snobby, snippy defenders of the ruling class.

00:12:29.000 Well, I think it's not so much J-schools as it is, as we were saying, the social class.

00:12:37.000 The reporters today all have been schooled in the same narrative, which is the left is good, the right is evil.

00:12:46.000 America is flawed.

00:12:47.000 All the standard tropes of leftism.

00:12:50.000 They've absorbed this in the classrooms.

00:12:52.000 Now, I haven't been in a classroom for quite a while, but they, More to the point, they hang out together, they congregate together, and they do it with the people that they cover.

00:13:03.000 So this is very important.

00:13:04.000 When I was a young music critic, just starting out, I know this sounds boring, but actually, classical music is a very interesting world, and the journalism was very top quality back in the day when it was important to the readers.

00:13:17.000 And my particular rabbi on this was the late Harold C. Schoenberg of the New York Times, who was The most important voice in the cultural world on the most important newspaper in the country.

00:13:31.000 And Harold's rule was never to fraternize with anyone he would cover.

00:13:38.000 So if he saw a famous pianist walking down the street, he would cross the street to avoid meeting that person.

00:13:45.000 He felt it was so important to be impartial, to be above it, to be honest to yourself and to your principle.

00:13:53.000 That's all gone now.

00:13:55.000 The New York Times doesn't believe that anymore.

00:13:57.000 Uh, the old, what they were called times men in those days who lived by that, that is not true.

00:14:03.000 Now you're supposed to be friends with them.

00:14:04.000 You're supposed to have access to them.

00:14:06.000 You're supposed to have an opinion about what they do that totally agrees with everyone else's opinion, including theirs about what they do.

00:14:14.000 So as someone else has said, it's a club and you ain't in it, but the media is in it.

00:14:20.000 And that's what we have to break.

00:14:22.000 We, On the conservative side, have access to shows like this, to the heirs and the signs of Rush Limbaugh, really, Charlie, if you take your own patrimony back to the arrival of Rush Limbaugh in New York in the 1980s.

00:14:40.000 And he begat Sean Hannity, and Sean begat, begat, becomes like the Bible.

00:14:44.000 So, we have that, but what we don't have is access to places like the New York Times.

00:14:50.000 Time Magazine, where I worked, For many years, and at the absolute apogee of its power and influence and honesty, even though it was criticized, and rightly, for an attitude, because it did have an attitude.

00:15:04.000 But that's now completely in the hands of the left.

00:15:07.000 And the way we have to fight them is the way we are fighting.

00:15:12.000 And this book, with all of you in it, is a contribution to that, because I want the audience to pick it up and see, okay, how do they hate me, right?

00:15:20.000 Well, You're a gunner.

00:15:22.000 Well, they hate guns.

00:15:23.000 So they know nothing about guns.

00:15:25.000 You're a cop.

00:15:26.000 They hate cops.

00:15:27.000 They want to defund the cops.

00:15:28.000 You're in the service.

00:15:30.000 I'm a Marine Corps kid.

00:15:31.000 I was born on a big Marine base in North Carolina.

00:15:34.000 They hate the Marine Corps.

00:15:36.000 They hate the Army.

00:15:37.000 They hate the Navy.

00:15:39.000 They hate everything.

00:15:40.000 And they don't know anything about it.

00:15:42.000 They just know that they hate it.

00:15:44.000 And that I think is the big difference now with journalism.

00:15:49.000 is that they just don't know anything, but they're very sure they don't like it.

00:15:54.000 And in the idea, what should the media be?

00:15:58.000 In a free society, how should the media operate?

00:16:02.000 What role should they play?

00:16:04.000 It should be an honest broker, Charlie.

00:16:06.000 If you go back to the 18th century, to where freedom of speech starts in Britain, they asked for honesty.

00:16:14.000 This famous line from the lines of Two guys run into the name of Cato, a man who cannot call his tongue his own, cannot call anything his own.

00:16:25.000 And that is the most important dictum.

00:16:28.000 And we've lost that.

00:16:30.000 We're losing it.

00:16:30.000 And we have to address that starting right now with freedom of speech.

00:16:36.000 Without that, there's nothing.

00:16:38.000 Nothing.

00:16:39.000 So Michael, let me ask you, in the last couple of years with Elon Musk purchasing Twitter and X and liberating it, with shows like ours that are ascendant and Tucker Carlson now in podcasting, your career in journalism and seeing the ups and the downs of American media, are you hopeful that the current trend is towards a freer and more open, at least, I don't want to say media environment, but one where people have more choices and we're not restricted to how things were maybe a decade ago?

00:17:08.000 Yes, I am, Charlie, and it's because of people like you and the guys just before you.

00:17:15.000 I'd be very remiss if I didn't point out that here in Against the Corporate Media, 42 Ways the Press Hates You, that I didn't mention the late Andrew Breitbart.

00:17:26.000 We have two essays by Breitbart people in it, besides myself.

00:17:31.000 We have Hannah Giles, who was the young woman in the famous Acorn videos.

00:17:36.000 And we have Larry O'Connor, who's now a talk show host, as you well know, in Washington, D.C., talking about the early days of Breitbart.

00:17:46.000 And I'll tell the audience how impulsive and how exuberant Andrew was, those of you who didn't know him in life.

00:17:58.000 I became involved with creating the site then known as Big Journalism for Breitbart.

00:18:04.000 After meeting Andrew at a party one day in Los Angeles, we had a monthly gathering of interesting people, not political, but interesting, mostly writers and people who worked in the industry.

00:18:15.000 And after about 20 minutes of talking to Andrew, he suddenly said, Michael, you've got to start big journalism for me and do it.

00:18:21.000 And before you knew it, we had that site up and running in early 2010, because as everyone knows, Andrew despised the corporate media.

00:18:32.000 And wanted to hurt them as badly as he could.

00:18:35.000 Now, he was taken from us too soon, as you know.

00:18:38.000 But I think he, like Rush, was a formative figure in the revolt against the corporatism and the clubism and the credentialism of the media.

00:18:52.000 My generation is lost.

00:18:54.000 50% of us hate the other 50%.

00:18:56.000 We're dying off at a rapid rate.

00:18:59.000 Do you mean boomers?

00:19:00.000 I mean boomers, yeah.

00:19:02.000 When we're gone, you guys will all be much better off, believe me. 0.58

00:19:05.000 But don't forget we did invent sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and you didn't, so there's that.

00:19:12.000 That's our point of thing.

00:19:14.000 But once we're gone, you'll see the media will start to respond.

00:19:18.000 Musk did a great thing by liberating Twitter.

00:19:23.000 It's wonderful to see President Trump now joining forces with people like Bobby Kennedy Jr.

00:19:30.000 and Tulsi Gabbard, a big Tulsi fan, and thought she should be in the administration and has said so quite publicly for the last few years.

00:19:39.000 You can't have too many friends, Charlie.

00:19:42.000 We can't break up along rigid ideological lines.

00:19:46.000 If you're a student of history, which I am, and a data historian myself, you You've seen these movies before.

00:19:54.000 You've watched how revolutions come together and how they either succeed or how they fail.

00:20:00.000 But if we insist on things that people instinctively want, the primacy of your freedom to say what you want.

00:20:10.000 Now, that doesn't mean it's consequence free.

00:20:12.000 It doesn't mean people can't say, gee, you're a bigot or you're a horrible person, or I don't want to deal with you.

00:20:17.000 I don't want to hire you or I don't want to do this.

00:20:19.000 Okay.

00:20:20.000 That's the consequence of freedom.

00:20:22.000 We embrace that and we accept that.

00:20:24.000 But what you don't want to see is no such and such allowed.

00:20:28.000 I'm sitting here in Ireland where my great grandmother in her birthplace, as a matter of fact, went to the United States as a teenage girl.

00:20:36.000 And when she got to Boston, there were signs that said, no Irish need apply.

00:20:41.000 Well, we don't want to see that directed against anybody.

00:20:45.000 And not ourselves.

00:20:47.000 No freedom of speech people need apply.

00:20:50.000 That's not good.

00:20:51.000 And what you're doing and what everyone else in the sort of counter media field is doing is making a difference.

00:20:59.000 And they know it and it hurts them.

00:21:01.000 And you have to understand they're very sensitive about their reputations.

00:21:05.000 And they believe they are on the side of the angels.

00:21:09.000 They believe that they are doing work.

00:21:12.000 And to red pill them is devastating.

00:21:16.000 And this is why I think what Trump and the new crowd around him was so brilliant, is take their own people away from.

00:21:25.000 Take Bobby, the most famous man in American politics, take it away from.

00:21:30.000 Take someone as appealing as Tulsi Gabbard, who is a woman, is beautiful, is well-spoken, is a military veteran, a real military veteran, who's a patriot.

00:21:43.000 Take her away from them.

00:21:45.000 Hurt them.

00:21:46.000 You know, it's like David Mamet, who's one of us, by the way.

00:21:49.000 Best, greatest playwright in America.

00:21:52.000 You want to know how to get Capone?

00:21:54.000 That's that speech from The Untouchables that everyone should memorize, because that's the way you get Capone.

00:22:01.000 That's the way you win.

00:22:03.000 So what we tried to do with this book, how does the media hate you?

00:22:06.000 They hate everything about you, as I mentioned, but they know nothing of what you believe.

00:22:12.000 They know nothing.

00:22:13.000 They will misquote you.

00:22:15.000 They will make stuff up about you, and you just have to power through it and insist On the truth.

00:22:22.000 The truth shall set you free.

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00:23:30.000 So you mentioned something interesting about boomers. 0.96

00:23:33.000 I'm not allowed to criticize boomers on this program, Michael, because the hate mail I receive from boomers is, it is like you wouldn't believe.

00:23:40.000 Why is that?

00:23:40.000 Can you comment on that?

00:23:41.000 You're chuckling.

00:23:42.000 If I ever say anything about boomers in a negative fashion, holy crow, I have to duck for cover. 0.94

00:23:49.000 Well, there's so many of them, you know.

00:23:53.000 All the deaths came home from the war and they got busy as soon as they got back to the United States, or even before, I would say.

00:24:01.000 But I'm a Truman administration baby, so I'm born in 49, right in the middle of the immediate post-World War II wave.

00:24:09.000 And I'm the son of a veteran, fought in Korea, Vietnam.

00:24:14.000 The boomers, we believe we're just the greatest generation ever.

00:24:17.000 You know why?

00:24:18.000 Because we were told we were the greatest generation ever.

00:24:21.000 And what we said went, and we're used to bossing people around.

00:24:25.000 We started the rock revolution when we were still in our teens and 20s.

00:24:29.000 And we've dominated the popular culture and Hollywood in the 70s and 80s, and we're not going quietly into that good night.

00:24:38.000 And we don't like sass from young people like you, you know, considering how great we are.

00:24:44.000 That's why.

00:24:45.000 No, that's well said.

00:24:46.000 So there is something interesting happening, though, and I want you to help explain it, which is that there is the polling shows that Gen X hates the corporate media, is more pro-Trump, is against Kamala Harris, is against big

00:25:01.000 government, far more than baby boomers. We have Elon Musk, for example. We have J.K. Rowling. 1.00

00:25:07.000 We have Tulsi Gabbard. What is it that makes Gen X so different than baby boomers and how 1.00

00:25:13.000 they view the world, how they view the corporate media and politics? Well, I think they see the

00:25:18.000 mistakes of their parents and they react against them. Remember, the whole 60s Woodstock generation 0.94

00:25:24.000 is reacting against the perceived squareness of the 1950s Eisenhower era.

00:25:29.000 So I'm very happy.

00:25:32.000 But if I may inject something now here, which I think is pertinent, and I know it's important to you.

00:25:36.000 Oh, go any direction you want to.

00:25:37.000 Yes.

00:25:37.000 But we're looking at the return of masculinity.

00:25:41.000 Masculinity has been so marginalized in this country over the past 10 to 15 or 20 years.

00:25:47.000 And I think the guys of your generation now have realized this has not been a good deal and that there's

00:25:54.000 a lot of great things about masculinity, like most things about masculinity, and a

00:25:59.000 country that doesn't appreciate its men, it literally falls apart. As I mentioned, my work as a

00:26:05.000 historian, I have a new book coming out in January, which is called A Rage to Conquer, and it's

00:26:11.000 about the great generals of history from the Greeks to World War II and what they have in common, and

00:26:19.000 the maleness of the art of war, effectively.

00:26:23.000 So I followed a book called Last Stance two or three years ago with this new book, A Rage to Conquer.

00:26:29.000 So for boys who want to know what it is to be a man, This is a good place for you to start.

00:26:38.000 I was lucky that I had a father who fought with the Marine Corps at the Chosin Reservoir in Korea, which has survived it.

00:26:48.000 One of the most historic battles in Marine Corps history.

00:26:52.000 So I was raised with that aspect of masculinity my whole life.

00:26:57.000 And I think boys have lost their role models and they've been demonized.

00:27:01.000 And this is not good.

00:27:02.000 And what you're seeing in this coming election, I think, is a boys versus girls election.

00:27:07.000 I totally agree.

00:27:08.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:08.000 I think that's where we've come, that single women vote Democrat, as you know, and young men of your generation are

00:27:16.000 saying, hey, wait a minute.

00:27:17.000 I want to, I like guns.

00:27:18.000 I like physical contact sports.

00:27:21.000 I like danger.

00:27:23.000 I'm not a safety-first guy that sits at home and never does anything.

00:27:28.000 No one wants to be that guy.

00:27:30.000 And now we're seeing the revolt of it, and I think it's great, and I'm cheering it on.

00:27:34.000 Well, the New York Times-Siena poll shows that Gen Z men are more conservative than boomer men.

00:27:40.000 Do you believe that?

00:27:42.000 Well, they see how bad the world is that they're being given. 0.94

00:27:46.000 And they're not stupid, and they can look around and say, well, what's different about the way it was when my father was poor, when his father was poor? 0.64

00:27:55.000 And I think it's what I mentioned. 0.94

00:27:58.000 By creating a female-dominated world in which safety is the most important thing, you have a society that stops functioning because it no longer takes risks. 1.00

00:28:08.000 We've got people in outer space we can't get them back because we failed.

00:28:14.000 And the guys that put them there in the 1960s were these nerdy little guys in white shirts with slide rules and pocket protectors for crying out loud.

00:28:23.000 You know, I'm joking, but I think Elon Musk is going to build his own private space taxi and drive it up there and get them and bring them back home.

00:28:30.000 No, that's the whole point.

00:28:31.000 The Gen X is going to save them. 0.98

00:28:33.000 The Gen X-er will go save the problem of the boomers. 1.00

00:28:40.000 Gen X, they're not as big as boomers, but they are big. 0.99

00:28:43.000 There's a fair amount of Gen Xers, and the numbers, I'll send them to you, Michael, offline, that they are the most conservative of any generation by far. 0.98

00:28:52.000 In fact, Gen X men, for at least the poll that I looked at with New York Times-Siena, which is directionally correct, Gen X men favor Trump by 25 points. 0.51

00:29:03.000 Young whippersnapper, old fartism involved in generations as they change and hand over.

00:29:11.000 But I think that the Baby Boomers antipathy might originate with the fact that many of us who have been successful in this generation We're like you, successful very early on.

00:29:26.000 We rose through the ranks as they were then assembled.

00:29:30.000 I got to Time Magazine when I was 31, and that was 20 years younger than the guy they thought they wanted for that particular job.

00:29:40.000 And there's always some resentment on the part of the guys that got passed over that job or that It's not a book you have to read from start to finish.

00:29:47.000 didn't make it. And I would attribute that just purely to resentment,

00:29:52.000 Charlie.

00:29:53.000 I would pay no attention to it because they'll be gone soon enough.

00:29:56.000 But back to the book here. I want to encourage people to look at it.

00:30:02.000 It's not a book you have to read from start to finish.

00:30:05.000 It's got essays from people who've been in the business longer than I have to

00:30:10.000 people who are brand new to the business. It has people who write for a living,

00:30:15.000 people who talk for a living, people who do things for a living.

00:30:19.000 It has people who write movies. It has people who write novels.

00:30:22.000 It has all the kinds of of diversity in the good sense that we have on the right to show people we're not just a bunch of cave people sitting around resenting progress.

00:30:37.000 Not at all.

00:30:38.000 We are very well educated, very articulate, and with the access to the new media that we have, we can change the world.

00:30:46.000 Again, the one thing baby boomers love to do is change the world. 1.00

00:30:49.000 They want to meddle in everybody's life.

00:30:51.000 So we've been doing it since 1967, as far as I can think, and we'll probably continue to do it.

00:30:59.000 So last point I want to make is that you worked with the great Andrew Breitbart, which he really started this rise of citizen journalism.

00:31:06.000 And we've seen that continue to grow over the last decade.

00:31:11.000 Is that the way that we eventually crush the corporate media, is thousands of people doing the work, shows like this?

00:31:17.000 We've talked about this throughout the hour, but the decentralized idea that we no longer need gatekeepers, that because now we all have smartphones in a right-hand pocket, you could buy lights, you could have your own show, that the barriers to entry are largely removed.

00:31:31.000 Yes, they are.

00:31:32.000 I want to make two points.

00:31:33.000 Yes and no.

00:31:34.000 Yeah.

00:31:35.000 Yes, I'm all for the democratization of the media, because that takes it back to the way it was in the first place.

00:31:41.000 The notion of gatekeepers is a notion that has now been destroyed by the internet.

00:31:48.000 But I would argue, and I argued with Andrew about this a lot, is we can't just say any old thing that comes into our head in an unstructured way.

00:31:57.000 The technique is important.

00:31:59.000 The rules are important.

00:32:00.000 You get to break them after you know them, but you don't get to break them before you know them.

00:32:05.000 We are more effective discipline, like any military organization, discipline.

00:32:10.000 The Romans were little guys. 1.00

00:32:12.000 They were little guys.

00:32:13.000 And they went up against the Germans who were twice their size, and they were scared of the Germans.

00:32:18.000 But they knew they could beat them because they had better organization, they had better discipline, and they had greater, stronger desire to win.

00:32:26.000 And that's who we are now.

00:32:27.000 We're the Romans.

00:32:29.000 And we need to go up against these without fear.

00:32:32.000 There's nothing these people can do to hurt you.

00:32:33.000 All they can do is call you a nasty name.

00:32:37.000 But it helps to know the rules.

00:32:39.000 It helps read good writers.

00:32:41.000 Look at good examples of people who have succeeded in the past.

00:32:45.000 That's the wisdom that my generation can pass to you guys, is learn the rules and then break them.

00:32:51.000 But learn them.

00:32:52.000 And then use them against the enemy.

00:32:54.000 That's the key.

00:32:56.000 That is well said.

00:32:57.000 And we must understand that each of us have a voice, but the technique matters a lot.

00:33:02.000 Michael Walsh, thank you so much.

00:33:04.000 Against the Corporate Media, thank you.

00:33:05.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:33:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:07.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:10.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 28, 2024

The Lying Press vs. You

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