The Charlie Kirk Show - The Man Who Stopped the Trans Juggernaut: Live with Matt Walsh at the Pastors Summit

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.

00:00:01.000 My conversation with the great Matt Walsh live from our TPUSA Faith Pastors Summit.

00:00:07.000 We take questions from the audience and we talk about how the trans agenda has so significantly hurt our country and how the kingdom needs to stand up and do something about it. 1.00

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00:01:36.000 Matt, welcome to Gainesville, Georgia.

00:01:38.000 Great to be here.

00:01:40.000 Thank you.

00:01:41.000 I heard you, when I was backstage, you called me disagreeable.

00:01:45.000 And I just want to say I disagree with that.

00:01:47.000 That was my dad joke to start.

00:01:51.000 I have to brag on Matt here, because Matt has a great way about him.

00:01:55.000 And he's incredibly stoic in the face of the most insane left-wing nonsense.

00:02:03.000 Matt Walsh has been one of the most, if not the most important voices pushing back against trans ideology in this country over the last five years. 0.89

00:02:12.000 And that's important for a couple of reasons.

00:02:15.000 Obviously, it's important morally.

00:02:17.000 But going back five or six years ago, everybody, the trans topic, we were in the ideological minority.

00:02:26.000 There were not a lot of people speaking out against it.

00:02:28.000 There were not a lot of people understanding really where this came from.

00:02:31.000 They were framing it as a new civil rights issue of our time.

00:02:35.000 And Matt Walsh not only spoke out against it, but I think had one of the most powerful films ever asking the question, what is a woman?

00:02:43.000 And so, Matt, you deserve a lot of credit for this.

00:02:45.000 You really do.

00:02:47.000 I appreciate that.

00:02:49.000 And I think that's, I mean, look, it's...

00:02:52.000 I want to say a lot of people have been in the fight from the beginning.

00:02:55.000 It hasn't been a lot, but there's certainly been a lot more than just me.

00:02:59.000 The one thing I will say is you said we were in the ideological minority from the beginning.

00:03:03.000 I think we were in the minority, but not actually the ideological minority, which is what made it so frustrating early on, is that I can remember going out there in 2016, 2017 and arguing about this issue of transgenderism and the kind of blank stares you would get from people.

00:03:19.000 Even though I know that most of them agree with me.

00:03:23.000 I'm sitting here saying, a woman is a female, a man is a male. 0.90

00:03:26.000 You can't cross between the two.

00:03:29.000 Transgenderism is not a real thing. 0.98

00:03:30.000 It's a category error.

00:03:31.000 It doesn't exist.

00:03:32.000 And there weren't a lot of people cheering us on, even though I knew that most people certainly agreed with that.

00:03:41.000 When we did our film, What is a Woman?, and we went out...

00:03:45.000 ...to the street and did our kind of man-on-the-street interviews.

00:03:47.000 This is back in 2021 that we would have been filming it, and 2022.

00:03:51.000 And we would stop normal people on the street just walking by and ask them these basic questions about, what is a woman?

00:03:57.000 Should men be allowed in the women's restroom? 1.00

00:04:00.000 Do you think it's okay to give kids the kinds of drugs that we give to sex offenders to chemically castrate them?

00:04:06.000 These kinds of questions, and the vast majority of people would...

00:04:12.000 Didn't want to answer or they would answer in the affirmative to allowing men in women's restrooms. 1.00

00:04:17.000 Even though I knew, I'm looking them in the eye, I know you don't actually think that.

00:04:22.000 There's no way you actually think that.

00:04:24.000 But people were afraid.

00:04:27.000 And so I said all along, our job was less convincing people.

00:04:32.000 I don't think most people need to be convinced that only women can have babies.

00:04:36.000 You know, that's the kind of thing that we all understand as human beings.

00:04:40.000 I think it's less convincing people and more convincing, not convincing people of the fact of it, but convincing them that it's okay to convicting people.

00:04:50.000 Thank you.

00:04:51.000 And convincing them that it's okay to speak up.

00:04:53.000 It's okay that you know this basic truth and to speak it and to stand by it.

00:04:58.000 Yeah, and so just, I want to get into some of the real fundamental questions here around this, because every pastor here is going to encounter this issue on a micro and a macro level.

00:05:09.000 So every pastor here will encounter a parent that comes with a trans kid and how they deal with that. 0.80

00:05:15.000 I want to talk about that.

00:05:16.000 And then the macro, how do they deal with it politically?

00:05:18.000 But I hope you guys understand that in a short period of time, with just a little bit of pushback, what we have been able to do to put the trans movement on defense is profound.

00:05:29.000 This is a multi-billion dollar industry that I believe is demonic at its core that is going after the children of this nation.

00:05:39.000 To chop off their breasts, to surgically mutilate them, to against God's natural design, treating it like a body problem when it is a brain problem. 0.71

00:05:49.000 And so let me ask a more fundamental question.

00:05:52.000 You get this question often, Matt.

00:05:54.000 Where did transgender ideology originate?

00:05:58.000 Well, I mean, it kind of depends on how far back you want to trace it.

00:06:01.000 You could trace it all the way back to the Garden of Eden, I suppose, if you wanted to, the fall of man.

00:06:08.000 Really, what we consider the modern gender ideology, the modern transgenderism movement, goes back to the mid-20th century to guys like John Money, Alfred Kinsey.

00:06:18.000 I mean, really, John Money is kind of the father of gender ideology.

00:06:22.000 And he was one of the first to get this idea and to promote this idea that there's a distinction between sex and gender.

00:06:33.000 And that was a really key move, is to...

00:06:36.000 Draw this line of delineation between your sex, what we call your biological sex, which of course is redundant.

00:06:42.000 You don't need to say that.

00:06:43.000 Sex is biological.

00:06:44.000 And your gender, which is the way he looked at it.

00:06:48.000 It's just how you present yourself in the world.

00:06:52.000 And there's this distinction between the two.

00:06:54.000 And it was very key to draw this distinction.

00:06:57.000 But then what you notice as time goes on and this stuff becomes more mainstream, that this distinction between sex and gender was then collapsed.

00:07:06.000 And that happened somewhat recently.

00:07:07.000 This is something you started to notice around 2013, 14, 15. They started to collapse this distinction where now the trans activists were saying that, well, actually, a quote-unquote trans woman is not just kind of performing femininity, is not just identifying as a woman, but actually is a woman.

00:07:30.000 So that there's no actual distinction, the trans activists would say, between a trans woman and a woman.

00:07:35.000 They're one in the same.

00:07:36.000 So they, and this is the kind of sleight of hand trick that you find with leftists generally, but in particular with trans activists. 0.65

00:07:43.000 Everything's a sleight of hand.

00:07:44.000 You know, they make an argument and they'll never follow it to its logical conclusion because they can't because it's all gibberish and nonsense.

00:07:51.000 And so everything they do, they're just trying to set the stage for the next thing.

00:07:56.000 And so it seems as if, though, that the trans movement hit an acceleration point in the early 2010s, 12, 13, 14, with the proliferation of social media on our kids' smartphones, but also where the medical industry seemed to realize that there were tens of millions, hundreds of millions, billions of dollars to be made, coupled with actual transgender ideological zealots. 0.61

00:08:20.000 Can you explain all these different buckets?

00:08:22.000 There's the...

00:08:23.000 The social media component, which is the social contagion.

00:08:26.000 Then there's the medical industry that sees these kids as annuities.

00:08:29.000 But then there's also firm religious believers in transgender ideology that think that it's almost a Gnostic spirituality.

00:08:38.000 Can you speak to the Gnostic spirituality part of it?

00:08:40.000 Yeah, I think, and those are your zealots, as you say.

00:08:45.000 I think that they're very much in the minority.

00:08:48.000 I think for most, if we ask ourselves...

00:08:51.000 Why this idea gained the foothold in our culture that it did, it was able to do that through our institutions, through the institution of medicine, through our school system, through the so-called mental health professionals.

00:09:08.000 And most of them, once again, didn't really believe that any of this was actually true.

00:09:13.000 I mean, did they actually believe that a biological male was in any sense really a woman?

00:09:21.000 No, but for them, there was a lot of money in it, a lot of money, and that's something that came on very quickly, and there was just this rush, this millions and millions and millions of dollars all of a sudden in this industry of confusing children and then taking advantage of that confusion through these drugs.

00:09:42.000 So I don't think they actually believed it, but you did have these, the true believers, and for them, now they can't...

00:09:49.000 Talk about the issue coherently.

00:09:51.000 Even they can't really explain, as we know, they can't explain what a woman is when they say a trans woman is a woman if you just ask them, well, what do you mean by that?

00:10:01.000 I find that to be a really powerful question in general.

00:10:03.000 It's like, well, what do you...

00:10:03.000 Okay, that's your statement.

00:10:05.000 That's what you're saying.

00:10:06.000 That's your claim.

00:10:08.000 What do you mean?

00:10:09.000 Can you just talk about that for a little bit more?

00:10:11.000 Can you give me a few sentences about that?

00:10:14.000 And they can't do it.

00:10:15.000 And the reason they can't do it is because it is purely a matter of faith.

00:10:20.000 It's a kind of, and they don't want to say this because they want to cloak it in science.

00:10:25.000 But what they actually think is that it's spiritual.

00:10:28.000 What they actually believe, if they're willing to say it, is that when they say that a trans woman is a man, That's what they believe. 0.79

00:10:40.000 That's right.

00:10:42.000 They won't say that because now they've admitted that they're on religious grounds.

00:10:45.000 And that's also an argument they don't want to have because then I could say, okay, let's talk about that.

00:10:51.000 A trans woman is a man with a soul of a woman.

00:10:54.000 Where did he get the soul from?

00:10:56.000 I mean, where does he come from?

00:10:58.000 Where's his soul from?

00:10:59.000 And the answer is...

00:11:01.000 Well, now we've introduced God into the equation and that's a big problem for the trans activists because then the question is, well, so what happened?

00:11:10.000 Was there some sort of...

00:11:12.000 Error on the celestial assembly line where God accidentally put the wrong soul into this body?

00:11:19.000 Is God making mistakes?

00:11:22.000 And of course that's not a claim they want to make either.

00:11:25.000 And so to go even further, I hope you guys internalize what Matt just said.

00:11:29.000 There's more profundity in that couple minute explanation.

00:11:31.000 Almost anything you'll hear in American seminaries when it comes to the transgender cult. 0.99

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00:12:45.000 There's an old religious belief of something called Gnosticism.

00:12:51.000 It's a heresy.

00:12:52.000 Lucas talks about it a lot.

00:12:54.000 And essentially, it's a belief.

00:12:56.000 Gnosis, by the way, is the Greek word for mind.

00:12:58.000 It's a belief that the mind and the body and the soul are all kind of separate pieces.

00:13:04.000 We as Christians completely reject this, for the record.

00:13:08.000 We believe that the body and the soul are actually really connected.

00:13:11.000 That's why in the scriptures it says that our bodies will be resurrected again.

00:13:16.000 That our bodies actually have very physical meaning.

00:13:18.000 That it says your body is the temple of the lords in 1 Corinthians.

00:13:23.000 That this gnostic belief, though, is that the sense that you have a soul that is separate than your body, then you can kind of be something that you physically or even independently or objectively observe that you are not.

00:13:38.000 So you could even be an animal.

00:13:41.000 And you guys laugh.

00:13:42.000 I'm going to tell you a real example.

00:13:44.000 Donner's Grove South High School.

00:13:46.000 I think I got this correct.

00:13:48.000 In the middle school, the junior high, in the bathroom, they have accommodations for kids to be able to use like kitty litter because the girls are identifying as cats. 0.99

00:14:01.000 That is an old Gnostic belief, by the way, of people that would say that I'm just a reincarnated animal.

00:14:09.000 And it's a form of paganism, Hinduism. 0.96

00:14:11.000 Again, this is nothing new.

00:14:13.000 Again. You know what changed all this?

00:14:14.000 Christianity changed all this. 0.98

00:14:15.000 We're the first religion to come through and say, no, there's one God.

00:14:19.000 It's Yahweh, Jehovah. 0.98

00:14:21.000 This polytheism is a bunch of garbage, right?

00:14:23.000 So, anyway.

00:14:25.000 Matt, can you riff on that?

00:14:26.000 Yeah, I just want to add to that because I think that one of the problems, one of the ways that this Gnosticism took hold is that you had a lot of Christians who don't understand their own faith and don't know how to talk about it. 0.99

00:14:43.000 And so, for example, you'll hear, and this is a quote you'll see, I've seen circulating on social media for years and years, and I think that it's often falsely attributed to C.S. Lewis, sometimes G.K. Chesterton, and the quote is something like, I don't have a soul, I am a soul, I have a body.

00:15:06.000 That's the quote that you see sometimes.

00:15:08.000 And this is not something that, C.S. Lewis would never say something that.

00:15:12.000 Stupid. You hear this from Christians sometimes, but no, that's not correct. 0.99

00:15:21.000 It's not that you are a soul and you have a body.

00:15:24.000 You are your body and your soul.

00:15:27.000 There's a unity of the two.

00:15:29.000 You can't separate the two.

00:15:31.000 We tend to think of it like my body is some kind of receptacle or a vehicle.

00:15:38.000 You know, that my soul is just kind of driving around and pulling the levers inside my body.

00:15:43.000 That's not it at all.

00:15:45.000 What I am, what you see, my body is who I am.

00:15:48.000 And my soul is, in a mysterious way, inextricably linked with my body.

00:15:52.000 It's part of who I am.

00:15:55.000 And this is one of the reasons why when you go to the trans activists, and now they don't like to talk about souls, even though that is what they believe, as we've covered.

00:16:05.000 What they will say, though, and this is kind of their way of saying soul, they'll say, well, you know, sometimes you have a man that has a woman's brain, and they'll start pointing to all these studies that allegedly show that some men have the brains of women.

00:16:20.000 And this is why I'm, you know, I don't really care about studies.

00:16:23.000 I'm not a big fan of studies.

00:16:24.000 Most of the time, I know we want to sound like we're smart, and so somebody brings up a study, we want to...

00:16:31.000 Throw another study back at them.

00:16:32.000 They get in kind of a study food fight.

00:16:34.000 Well, here's a study.

00:16:35.000 I think, in my opinion, 95% of the time when someone brings up a study, they say, well, haven't you read this study?

00:16:40.000 I say, no, I haven't read it.

00:16:42.000 I know based on what you just said that it's totally bogus.

00:16:45.000 I don't even need to read it.

00:16:46.000 I don't need to read it.

00:16:48.000 Any study that claims to show that a man has a woman's brain is completely bogus.

00:16:53.000 I don't care if this study was funded with $50 million.

00:16:56.000 They took 70 years.

00:16:58.000 They had 10,000 people.

00:17:00.000 It doesn't matter because what's the definition of a man's brain?

00:17:06.000 It is the brain that is inside the head of a man.

00:17:10.000 That is by definition a man's brain. 0.82

00:17:17.000 And so Matt, to kind of further go into this though and ask a very obvious question, we are able to isolate them now with humor and wit.

00:17:26.000 And honestly, I think good-hearted ridicule because these kids, when they go after kids, they should be ridiculed.

00:17:32.000 You do not go after the children of a society without pushback.

00:17:36.000 Christ said it's better for them to have a millstone hung around their neck and thrown into the lake, sea, than to go after the least of these.

00:17:45.000 And so they should be ridiculed.

00:17:47.000 But Matt, I want you to go deeper into something that you said.

00:17:51.000 How is it that this movement...

00:17:54.000 That is so philosophically and spiritually dark.

00:17:58.000 That is so obviously easy to refute with a sentence like yours.

00:18:02.000 That one that the majority of the country is now moving against.

00:18:08.000 How did they get so deep in our institutions, Matt?

00:18:11.000 How did they advance so far into our territory?

00:18:15.000 Because now we have to go through what is going to be, everybody, probably a 10 to 15 year project of an exorcism to kick these Individuals, how did this happen, Matt?

00:18:26.000 Is it as simple as, well, we were just asleep at the wheel, or is it something more than that?

00:18:31.000 I wish that I could say we were asleep at the wheel, because if you fall asleep at the wheel, it's not necessarily your fault.

00:18:37.000 That's something that happens accidentally.

00:18:39.000 I think it's worse than that.

00:18:40.000 I think it was a deliberate choice.

00:18:43.000 It was a surrender.

00:18:44.000 It was a deliberate, it was a waving the white flag.

00:18:47.000 And so to answer your question and to bring it to kind of the point of this great event, that I think...

00:18:53.000 There are a lot of answers to the question of how it got this deep in our institutions, but to me, the number one answer is that there is one institution that is supposed to be there as the vanguard against this kind of evil, and that institution refused to do its job, and that is the church.

00:19:14.000 Now, I can, again, think back to 2016, 2017.

00:19:23.000 2020, 2021, being out there kind of in the field on this issue, fighting this issue out, whether it's going to school board meetings or holding rallies or doing anything.

00:19:35.000 For me, it's making a movie, just using whatever resources are at my disposal to fight back.

00:19:41.000 And I would look to the left of me, look to the right of me.

00:19:44.000 And what I noticed is that I noticed what was missing, which is that there were not a lot of Christian leaders.

00:19:51.000 Standing there beside me.

00:19:53.000 I was more likely to look over to my side and see a liberal feminist standing with me on this issue than a Christian pastor. 1.00

00:20:05.000 And not only that, but it was in fact worse that very often if a Christian pastor were to say anything to me or about me in relation to this issue, it was to condemn me for being too rude, for being too mean.

00:20:21.000 They didn't like the way that I approached it.

00:20:24.000 And my answer to them was always, okay, you don't like my approach.

00:20:28.000 What's your alternative?

00:20:29.000 Because your approach is nothing.

00:20:31.000 Your approach is to say nothing at all.

00:20:37.000 And I agree with something you said, Charlie, earlier about, you know, we talk about the woke churches that have the rainbow flags and everything outside, and that's a big problem.

00:20:49.000 That is an issue.

00:20:50.000 That's not the biggest problem.

00:20:51.000 Like, those churches, they're not churches.

00:20:52.000 They don't count.

00:20:53.000 I don't even...

00:20:54.000 That's not real.

00:20:56.000 You know, if you...

00:20:57.000 If you have a rainbow in your church, it better be a part of some art display that references Noah's Ark.

00:21:13.000 Because the rainbow flag is anathema.

00:21:18.000 It is heresy.

00:21:20.000 And any church that flies it is not a church.

00:21:24.000 It is, you know, this is a, it is a, or I should say it's a church, but not for the Christian religion. 0.94

00:21:32.000 For the LGBT cult is what it is. 1.00

00:21:35.000 So there's that.

00:21:36.000 So there's those kinds of churches, and they're not, that's not real.

00:21:40.000 Those are not real Christian churches.

00:21:41.000 The bigger problem has been for a long time the kind of milquetoast.

00:21:50.000 Lukewarm. I don't really want to get involved.

00:21:53.000 And so you sit in these churches and you're not going to hear anything necessarily objectionable.

00:22:00.000 You're not going to hear anything said that's wrong.

00:22:03.000 Everything said is maybe true, but it's what's not being said.

00:22:08.000 And you know, to reference something that C.S. Lewis actually talked about, I think in Screwtape Letters, he talks about it in multiple works of his, how, you know, we're on a spiritual battleground.

00:22:23.000 We're on a spiritual battlefield.

00:22:24.000 And when you go to church, you've got your, these are your soldiers, right, who are coming in after being out on the battlefield for the last six days, and they're bruised and they're broken and they're beaten.

00:22:36.000 And this is where they're supposed to hear their marching orders.

00:22:38.000 This is like, let's regroup.

00:22:40.000 Let's talk about our battle plan.

00:22:42.000 That's what it should feel like when you're in church.

00:22:45.000 And so often, at least in my experience, and I've been going to church for 38 years, so often it doesn't feel like that.

00:22:54.000 It feels like maybe a meeting with the HR representative at a Fortune 500 company.

00:23:02.000 Or like I'm in middle school talking to my guidance counselor again.

00:23:06.000 It doesn't feel like...

00:23:09.000 This is someone, the pastor, and there are exceptions to this, but so often it doesn't feel like the pastor is even living in the same reality as the rest of us.

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00:24:33.000 So to go back to the trans thing, this was going on for years.

00:24:38.000 And I would hear, I'm not a pastor, I'm not a church leader, but I would hear from these parents whose kids are being Kidnapped by this ideology.

00:24:47.000 Kids are being, their minds are being stolen by this.

00:24:51.000 I've heard the most, and I know you have too, Charlie, I've heard the most gut-wrenching stories from parents who have lost their kids spiritually, mentally, and sometimes physically.

00:25:00.000 I mean, their kids fall victim to this, and two or three years later, their kids are gone.

00:25:03.000 They're dead.

00:25:04.000 Because this virus, this mental virus infected their minds and killed them.

00:25:10.000 And you have these parents that are struggling with this.

00:25:14.000 For years and years, and so many of them are going to churches and never once hearing it even referenced.

00:25:21.000 It's like it doesn't exist.

00:25:23.000 And so I'm sitting in these churches and I'm thinking, do you not realize what's going on out there?

00:25:27.000 Do you not understand what these people, what us, what we're going through, what actually matters?

00:25:36.000 I mean, now I'm just ranting.

00:25:38.000 I could continue.

00:25:39.000 It's great.

00:25:39.000 Keep going.

00:25:41.000 I'll just say one thing.

00:25:43.000 One of the most offensive, just in this vein here.

00:25:49.000 I've told this story before.

00:25:50.000 One of the most offensive sermons I ever heard was years ago from a pastor.

00:25:57.000 Probably a decent guy.

00:25:59.000 But the sermon was about Toy Story.

00:26:04.000 The movie Toy Story, if you guys are familiar.

00:26:08.000 It was all about how, and it was a long sermon, too.

00:26:11.000 It was way too long.

00:26:13.000 And it went on and on and on about the movie Toy Story and all the lessons we can learn from Toy Story.

00:26:21.000 Because, you know, there are songs in Toy Story about how we should be friends.

00:26:25.000 And so this was kind of a sermon about the value of friendship and how Buzz Lightyear and Woody, you know, they didn't like each other at first, but then they learned how to be friends by the end of it.

00:26:36.000 And I'm sitting there, and I was a young parent at the time, two or three kids, and thinking about all the things that I...

00:26:44.000 I'm very familiar with Toy Story.

00:26:45.000 I like the movie, actually, as far as kids' movies go.

00:26:48.000 But of all the things that I am worried about, you know, all the things that matter to me as a father, as a man, as an American, and you're sitting there talking about Toy Story.

00:27:02.000 I mean...

00:27:03.000 This is the kind of talk that I would expect a kindergarten teacher to give to their students when they're sitting on an alphabet rug drinking apple juice.

00:27:18.000 And it's that, you know, and that's one of the worst that I've heard, so it's not often that bad, but it's not the wokeness, it's that.

00:27:26.000 It's just, it's nothing.

00:27:28.000 That's nothing.

00:27:29.000 It's the sin of omission.

00:27:30.000 It is the sin of silence.

00:27:33.000 Is that when you are silent, you're actually saying everything.

00:27:36.000 When you are silent, you are speaking to your congregation that what you are omitting doesn't matter.

00:27:42.000 And so many pastors, unfortunately, will escape by and be like, well, I don't mention the controversial stuff, so therefore I stay away from it.

00:27:51.000 That's exactly what is wrong, is that you have to stand up and be counted.

00:27:55.000 There is no middle ground.

00:27:57.000 It's either you're a yes or you're a no on these very morally important issues.

00:28:02.000 So, Matt, I do want to be able to get to one or two questions, but I have two questions, and I want to go one at a time.

00:28:09.000 If a pastor in this audience, privately, a mom comes up to the pastor and says, Pastor, my 13-year-old is a girl who thinks she is a boy.

00:28:21.000 How should a pastor in this audience deal with that?

00:28:26.000 Well, I'll start by saying what even the left would say, but they don't mean it, which is, The way you respond to that is by loving your daughter.

00:28:34.000 You love her.

00:28:36.000 You never stop loving your child.

00:28:39.000 But what that means is that you will never surrender her to this madness.

00:28:45.000 You will just never do it.

00:28:47.000 You, you, uh...

00:28:50.000 Thank you.

00:28:52.000 I've said before, and I've gotten in trouble with Media Matters or whatever for saying it.

00:28:55.000 I'll say it again.

00:28:55.000 I would rather die than have any of my children I would rather be dead than that.

00:29:07.000 I will do anything to stop that from happening.

00:29:12.000 And so that's what you do as a parent.

00:29:14.000 You never give in to it.

00:29:17.000 They're going to say they hate you.

00:29:20.000 They're going to scream at you.

00:29:21.000 They're going to want to lock themselves in a room.

00:29:23.000 That's all part of the cult programming.

00:29:25.000 And you've got to go through that.

00:29:27.000 But you never give in to it.

00:29:29.000 You never give in to the lie.

00:29:32.000 That the fact that you've made your daughter and your child upset means that you don't love them or you're not loving them the right way.

00:29:38.000 No, in this case, the fact that they're upset means that you are loving them.

00:29:42.000 It means that this is exactly how you should be responding.

00:29:45.000 And on a more practical level, by the way, if your child is actually struggling with this, again, they're going to hate you for this.

00:29:55.000 And that's fine.

00:29:57.000 But you've got to look at what their influences are.

00:29:59.000 And most likely, if you've got a 13-year-old daughter or son who's experimenting now with this idea that he's trapped in the wrong body, almost certainly he's got the smartphone and he's on social media.

00:30:11.000 Take the phone away.

00:30:12.000 Okay? It's not just, oh, we're going to limit the amount of time you spend on it.

00:30:17.000 Take it away.

00:30:18.000 I've got six kids.

00:30:19.000 None of my kids have this technology.

00:30:21.000 We have one.

00:30:24.000 My wife and I have phones.

00:30:25.000 We have one other screen in the house.

00:30:28.000 It is our family TV that's in a public area in the house.

00:30:33.000 There's no doors.

00:30:34.000 We don't have any screens for kids in a room where a door can be shut.

00:30:38.000 We don't have that.

00:30:41.000 So you can watch TV.

00:30:45.000 We're going to know exactly what you're watching.

00:30:47.000 And it's going to be in a place where we can hear it anywhere in the house where we go.

00:30:51.000 So you can't even change the channel and try to sneak something past us.

00:30:54.000 And certainly we are not giving them unfettered access to the internet.

00:30:58.000 And so take that away from your child.

00:31:00.000 Look at who their friend groups are.

00:31:02.000 And hopefully that will be enough.

00:31:04.000 And then you might have to resort to even extreme measures or measures that might seem extreme.

00:31:08.000 If they're in public school, you might have to think about, do we have to pull them out of school?

00:31:12.000 Do we have to homeschool?

00:31:13.000 It sounds crazy and unworkable.

00:31:15.000 It's not.

00:31:15.000 I do it.

00:31:16.000 You can do it.

00:31:19.000 You're just doing anything that is necessary to protect them from this.

00:31:24.000 And I'll add to that.

00:31:25.000 Every pastor here, I encourage you to buy Dr. Miriam Grossman's book, Lost in Transnation.

00:31:32.000 She's an actual clinician.

00:31:33.000 She's not just a theoretical thinker about this.

00:31:37.000 She deals and treats kids with gender dysphoria. 0.53

00:31:40.000 Understand, up until recently, we had a whole treatment protocol for this.

00:31:44.000 Which was very simple.

00:31:45.000 It's called Watchful Waiting.

00:31:47.000 We believe that puberty was the solution, not the problem.

00:31:50.000 And usually kids, usually like 99% of the time, they grow out of this thing.

00:31:55.000 And understand this.

00:31:56.000 Here's some facts about transgender ideology when it comes to young people.

00:31:59.000 75% are girls.

00:32:03.000 75%. Why does that matter?

00:32:05.000 Well, girls are far more likely to get involved in social contagions, whether it be cutting practices, whether it be... 1.00

00:32:12.000 Dressing to be able to accommodate their peers, social stigmas.

00:32:16.000 They're far more likely to be pressured by cliques or social stigmas.

00:32:20.000 Young ladies are in a very difficult time of their life at 12, 13, 14 years old, and a trans ideology swoops into them. 0.84

00:32:27.000 Fact number two, there's almost, Matt would know this even better than I would, but according to Dr. Miriam Grossman, she's almost never seen a case of a kid that falls victim of transgender ideology that does not also have autism.

00:32:45.000 This is very important, everybody.

00:32:47.000 So if you have a kid with autism, it's a higher likelihood that they're going to be able to fall victim to the transgender social contagion. 1.00

00:32:55.000 What are we getting at before I continue the next point?

00:32:57.000 It shows that it's actually not something within them.

00:32:59.000 This is an externally received communicable mind virus that kids catch through a screen.

00:33:06.000 They catch through a teacher.

00:33:08.000 It's not something in them they've always had.

00:33:10.000 It's something they get like COVID, but it's far more dangerous and deadly than COVID for our nation's youth.

00:33:16.000 Number three, which is very important, which I can't, if you are a pastor, you need to get on your hands and knees and pull every possible thing to prevent a parent.

00:33:27.000 From sending that kid to a medical doctor.

00:33:29.000 I don't care if it's been their pediatrician since they were six months old.

00:33:34.000 99% of them are being trained in bad medieval witchcraft science that says that they should go on hormone blockers.

00:33:43.000 They could be the best meaning kids possible.

00:33:45.000 The guidelines of the American Pediatric Association, it will take your breath.

00:33:50.000 Am I right on this, Matt?

00:33:51.000 Absolutely. It will take your breath away.

00:33:53.000 Because the mom will say, oh, well, you know, my daughter's 13, but we're going to go see our pediatrician.

00:33:57.000 She has a whole plan.

00:33:58.000 The goal will be hormone blockers and a psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist will immediately say, Lupron intervention, surgery, eventually no breasts by the age of 16. Not an exaggeration.

00:34:10.000 That pediatrician is schooled to believe that it is a body disorder when it is a brain disorder.

00:34:14.000 The final point I'll make is this, is that that first interaction, Dr. Miriam Grossman crushes it in her book.

00:34:20.000 That first interaction means so much.

00:34:22.000 You need to tell the parent this, that you need to ask your daughter, it's most likely a daughter, a ton of questions.

00:34:28.000 Really, where'd you hear about this?

00:34:30.000 When'd you start thinking that?

00:34:32.000 Be infinitely curious about the condition.

00:34:35.000 The more curious you are about the condition, All of a sudden, all the defenses start to go down.

00:34:41.000 It's very tempting to be hostile to a kid who thinks they're trans.

00:34:45.000 But curiosity, all of a sudden it feels, okay, you're loving them.

00:34:48.000 Oh, really?

00:34:49.000 Are any of your friends thinking that way?

00:34:51.000 We have learned the same way that we have outbreaks of certain diseases, we see clusters of transgenderism. 1.00

00:34:58.000 In the Pittsburgh greater area, we saw it, where like half of the girls in one middle school all of a sudden became trans.

00:35:04.000 And guess what?

00:35:05.000 All the psychiatrists were affirming it.

00:35:07.000 Because you can't challenge it.

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00:36:27.000 One thing, and Dr. Miriam Grossman is... 0.99

00:36:30.000 Absolutely fantastic.

00:36:31.000 And she's also in our film, What is a Woman?

00:36:35.000 One thing I would add to that is before, you also have to think about, before you get to that point where your daughter comes to you at the age of 13 and says, I think I'm a boy, how do we avoid getting to that point?

00:36:47.000 Because there's the question of, what do you do when that happens?

00:36:50.000 And Miriam Grossman has a great, a lot of great advice on that.

00:36:54.000 How do we stop that from happening if we can?

00:36:57.000 And we've already gone over some of it.

00:36:59.000 Some of it is pretty simple, though difficult.

00:37:02.000 Taking away the phones, taking away these influences.

00:37:05.000 But at kind of a deeper level, you won't be able to do this perfectly, but you want your children to stay attached to you.

00:37:16.000 And I know we use that word attached, and it sounds like I'm saying you want to be a helicopter parent.

00:37:20.000 You don't want your kids to be able to function in the world.

00:37:23.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:37:25.000 They... You want to keep that attachment, that bond with your child so that they're orienting themselves to the world based on you.

00:37:33.000 So they're looking at you as the adult, as the parent, to figure out how they're supposed to operate in the world.

00:37:40.000 And that used to be kind of a given.

00:37:43.000 I mean, for most of human history, children would orient themselves to the world.

00:37:48.000 By looking at their parents, and then also looking at their grandparents, looking at their elders, and that's how they'd figure out how to just be in the world, how to be a person, how to be an adult, how to be a man or a woman.

00:37:58.000 And what ends up happening in the era of public school, and especially now with social media, is that this, that bond is severed, and it's severed sometimes very, very early, and the kids start orienting themselves to the world by looking at their peers.

00:38:15.000 And when that happens, Now it's like they don't care what the parent thinks anymore.

00:38:20.000 Now they don't want to hear from the parent.

00:38:23.000 They hate their parents.

00:38:24.000 And we take that for granted.

00:38:25.000 We say, oh, it's a teenage phase.

00:38:27.000 They hate their parents.

00:38:28.000 Every teenager goes through this.

00:38:30.000 No, it's a phase now in modern society.

00:38:33.000 It was not a phase back in 1832.

00:38:36.000 It was not taken for granted that your 14-year-old daughter would hate you and want nothing to do with you.

00:38:42.000 It happens now because our kids are living in a culture that does everything it can to rip them away from their parents and from the elders who love them and know them and care for them and to put them into this confusing environment where they're learning about the world by looking to each other, looking to other people who are also confused.

00:39:05.000 And so then they're just going around in circles, following each other.

00:39:09.000 And so to whatever extent possible, you know, to keep that bond with your kid, to keep them orienting based, you know, So we're over time.

00:39:21.000 I do want to get a chance for one or two questions.

00:39:23.000 I think we have the ability to do that.

00:39:25.000 And just so let's make it good.

00:39:27.000 And then I know Jensen's coming up and it's going to close out the night.

00:39:29.000 As we are bringing up the mics, I want to remind you guys, and I didn't do this in my opening speech.

00:39:33.000 I know Lucas mentioned it.

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00:40:20.000 Let's get to this question and we might get to two if it's quick.

00:40:23.000 Let's go fast.

00:40:24.000 So I have a question.

00:40:25.000 Sometimes, like, in our church youth groups, we have a lot of kids coming in that are new that we don't necessarily have a lot of influence on how they're parented that have these transgender ideologies.

00:40:33.000 Like, we'll preach on the stuff often and frequently, but sometimes there's still this draw where, you know, the kids that have been raised in the sheltered homes are now kind of being negatively influenced, and they're listening to the new kids that are coming in.

00:40:47.000 So I was wondering if you have a suggestion on how to handle it, how to, you know, welcome it.

00:40:52.000 And all the kids to be part of your youth group and teach them about Jesus when they're coming in with these wrong mindsets and ideologies that are sometimes contagious.

00:41:00.000 And do you have any communication with the parents?

00:41:03.000 Are you able to talk to their parents at all?

00:41:05.000 Yeah, yeah, we're able to.

00:41:06.000 Sometimes kids are coming and their parents aren't really church and don't want to talk much.

00:41:10.000 There's a few of them, but I think most of them we can talk to the parents.

00:41:13.000 Yeah. I mean, a lot of this is these are, and maybe...

00:41:18.000 You know, ministering a youth group, you're not in a position to do this, but a big part of the answer is that these are parents who need to be ministered to.

00:41:26.000 These parents need a lot of help and a lot of spiritual guidance because you're right that if they're coming to a youth group for what?

00:41:33.000 How often do they come?

00:41:36.000 A couple hours.

00:41:37.000 A couple hours a week.

00:41:40.000 There's only so much you can do, and if the parents aren't on board or if they're confused, if they're scared, if they don't know what to do, Then you're always going to be pushing against that, so the parents need to be ministered to.

00:41:51.000 As for the kids, I think all you can do is provide an environment with moral and spiritual clarity, and you know that all you can do is just kind of plant these seeds and hope that they sprout into something in the future.

00:42:07.000 You're probably not going to say something that makes one of these kids go, oh, you're right, this whole trans stuff is nonsense. 1.00

00:42:12.000 They're not going to say that in the moment.

00:42:14.000 But if you can provide this kind of clarity, that could be...

00:42:17.000 And you might not see it in a moment, but down the line, I think it'll have that effect.

00:42:22.000 Thank you.

00:42:22.000 This will be the last question, then we were going to have Jensen close us out.

00:42:26.000 Yeah. I know most of these kids, 70% of them are coming from single parent or homes where there's no father in the home.

00:42:34.000 How does the father factor?

00:42:36.000 We know the father sets the physical DNA of the child and also the spiritual.

00:42:41.000 How does that play into your statistics on these children that are easily transitioned into that lifestyle?

00:42:49.000 So I'd have to check out that number because it actually contradicts something that Dr. Grossman wrote about in her book.

00:42:56.000 I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's interesting because she actually says that the parents that will go as far as going to surgery are actually overly hyper-involved parents at times.

00:43:06.000 In fact, Matt, I think you would agree that there's a hyper-involvement of parents.

00:43:11.000 And let me tell you why, because I think you're right.

00:43:12.000 I think there's two different categories.

00:43:14.000 I think those that will see it all the way to youth surgery for minors versus those that are susceptible to trans ideology.

00:43:20.000 And understand the emotional blackmail.

00:43:24.000 Matt can talk about this at length.

00:43:26.000 Parents are blackmailed by these doctors where they will say, would you rather have an alive son than a dead daughter?

00:43:35.000 Right? They will emotionally blackmail them with this suicide nonsense, saying your kid is going to kill themselves if you don't chop off their breasts. 1.00

00:43:43.000 And it puts them on a sequence of interventions.

00:43:47.000 But Matt, do you want to mention that?

00:43:48.000 Yeah, I think you're exactly right about that.

00:43:51.000 And to your point about the fatherless...

00:43:54.000 Fatherless homes. 0.77

00:43:56.000 I think that is...

00:43:57.000 That contributes to every societal problem that we have.

00:44:02.000 There's no serious cultural issue or societal issue that we can talk about coherently without acknowledging the fact that so many kids are growing up in homes without fathers.

00:44:10.000 And I talk about it all the time with so many other issues.

00:44:14.000 It probably should be talked about more on this particular issue, as you point out, because one thing that I know as a father, and in particular with my sons, I...

00:44:23.000 It's very obvious when you're a father of young boys that they are looking to you, like literally looking to you all the time just to figure out what being a boy means.

00:44:37.000 What am I supposed to do as a boy?

00:44:39.000 I have all this energy, all of this kind of masculine energy and everything, this aggressiveness.

00:44:48.000 I don't know what to do with it.

00:44:50.000 I don't know where I'm supposed to direct that.

00:44:52.000 And that's why you need a father there to show them.

00:44:55.000 It's not just telling them, but actually showing them how to apply that stuff.

00:44:58.000 And I think if kids don't have that, they don't have both the father and the mother showing them, father showing you this is what it means to be a man, mother, this is what it means to be a woman, then a lot of this confusion arises.

00:45:10.000 Thank you.

00:45:11.000 Guys, in closing here, I encourage my final marching order before I depart, because I know you guys are going to have a great couple days.

00:45:19.000 Take... Some of this and bring it back to your churches.

00:45:22.000 Take what you're hearing from Matt Walsh.

00:45:24.000 Even if it's like, hey guys, my sermon, let's play a 90 second clip of Matt Walsh on something.

00:45:29.000 Be salt and light in your communities.

00:45:31.000 Don't just say, wow, that was a great conference and I learned a lot.

00:45:34.000 But then bring it back.

00:45:36.000 Bring it back to your congregation on a weekly and a monthly basis.

00:45:39.000 Some of you might say, boy, I'm afraid of losing your congregation.

00:45:43.000 I will say, and I talked about this with Jensen today on my program.

00:45:47.000 I said, You know, for all the pastors that are afraid of having their congregation get smaller, first of all, you shouldn't be because whatever the Lord wills for you is great if you're doing it for courageous and right purposes.

00:45:57.000 However, I will say that business is a booming and the truth telling business right now.

00:46:03.000 That if you're telling the truth, business is a booming.

00:46:06.000 Matt, God bless you, man.

00:46:08.000 Give it up for Matt Welsh, everybody.

00:46:09.000 Thank you, guys.

00:46:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:46:12.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:46:14.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 06, 2025

The Man Who Stopped the Trans Juggernaut: Live with Matt Walsh at the Pastors Summit

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