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00:01:50.000Tyler, I wanted you to come on based on some articles I was reading late at night on third-party stuff because you've been warning about how the Chamber of Commerce is going to try to be drafting Mansion and Cinema in kind of this uniparty Chamber of Commerce ticket.
00:02:03.000But I want to put I want to put that aside for a second.
00:02:06.000Your reaction, news out of the ruling with Kerry Lake, the Sonny Borrelli letter that now the legislature can do what they want without the governor.
00:02:18.000So all along, the legislatures across America have the explicit right to make sure that the elections are managed, particularly at the federal level, the way that the legislative body determines.
00:02:37.000Ultimately, I hope that leadership will be focused on this and holding individuals like the governor accountable.
00:02:44.000But there's elements here that you don't need to run legislation in order to make sure the elections are administered appropriately in each state.
00:02:55.000So just to build this out, so the Arizona legislature can say we're going to go back to precinct-based voting without the governor.
00:03:02.000Yeah, I mean, look, nobody has really pressed this in the way that it needs to be pressed across the United States.
00:03:09.000But yeah, I mean, the idea here is exactly that.
00:03:12.000And remember, the legislative body has a lot of power.
00:03:15.000It's not just in the forcefulness of actually administering elections.
00:03:20.000It's also the way that the Electoral College is actually managed as well.
00:03:27.000And so there's a number of things in the Constitution that really haven't been challenged or taken to the degree that they need to necessarily be taken to.
00:03:35.000And I think that this is part of where we're at in the battle, which is that the left is trying to manipulate our elections so much in these key target states that, you know, God bless the members of our legislatures who are actually taking this power seriously that is defined in the Constitution.
00:03:56.000we should be doing is from the grassroots side, tell the Arizona legislature, let's get rid of the voting system the way we have right now in Maricopa County, which is these voting centers.
00:04:06.000And Tyler, this is the dumbest thing ever.
00:04:08.000Go back to precinct-based voting, right?
00:04:20.000Or is it now that it's just kind of like, oh, now that we have a Democrat governor, we can think more creatively?
00:04:26.000Well, I think a lot of people, Charlie, just weren't, it just didn't seem like it was a real necessity to take that power back into the hands that it belongs.
00:04:37.000The elections have been basically managed the same way for almost 200 years.
00:04:42.000And then all of a sudden, just in the last 10 years, things have been manipulated so severely by the left.
00:04:48.000And so I think people are just finally waking up and realizing like, oh my gosh, we got to take this back into our hands.
00:04:53.000You know, I would argue this is most of America would agree if we just turned back the clocks and ran elections the same way that we ran them 10 plus years ago, just about 10 years ago, which was just, we got election results the same night.
00:05:08.000Election results were tabulated and tallied at the polling site, which was by precinct.
00:05:13.000You know, this is the reason why we had results so quickly in a place like Arizona and why it's become so bad and so messed up was because we've allowed this radical group of leftists to come in and basically manipulate these really bad, really unintelligent, not bright Republicans at the county level just to allow them to do these things.
00:05:34.000And so I think it's more than fair for someone to come in and say, look, as a legislative body, we're going to come in.
00:05:40.000We're just going to turn, we're going to do what the public wants, which is turn back the clocks to how we used to do things 10 years ago.
00:05:45.000Look a lot more like Florida, how Florida manages their elections.
00:05:48.000If we did that, everyone would be happy.
00:06:12.000Yeah, I mean, I don't know at what depths, you know, because of laws that were passed versus what they, because you could make the argument that the legislature has passed these laws.
00:06:22.000So the laws that were passed and ultimately signed by the former governor or the governor could, you know, that could be looked at while it's like, well, the legislature was the one that came up with this idea.
00:06:32.000And so there's going to be a battle that ensues around some of these things, but certainly things that are in the election procedure manual.
00:06:40.000And again, we're getting really deep for the audience here, but most states have what's called an election procedure manual, which is really rules that are made up in the administration of the elections, typically by the county elections officials and the secretary of state.
00:06:54.000And so if you've got a really bad one like we do in Arizona, you know, they can make up rules that aren't necessarily law.
00:07:02.000And this is basically how we've come to the administration of vote centers, voting centers, which are not by precinct in Arizona.
00:07:10.000But we have laws on the books that currently say you have to do handcuff procedures by precinct.
00:07:14.000You have to do all these different functions by precinct.
00:07:16.000And so they're basically not living by the law.
00:07:19.000And I think what Sonny is saying and what the legislature can do is ultimately come back and say, hey, look, guys, there's all these different things that you're not doing because you've manipulated and changed the elections.
00:07:56.000We should get rid of all mail and voting.
00:07:57.000We should get rid of all absentee except for excuse.
00:08:00.000We should just go to one day, election day.
00:08:03.000So we could basically fix all of our elections out of governor's consent.
00:08:07.000I'm just shocked that no one had this idea before the midterms, before we got our clock cleaned.
00:08:13.000Well, again, Charlie, some of this is like so, it's so new.
00:08:16.000And remember, we've had some bad legislators, too.
00:08:19.000So there's, you know, you brought up Wisconsin.
00:08:22.000So Wisconsin's in a really good place where we have a Republican legislature.
00:08:27.000We have many places in America that have Republican supermajorities that can certainly take this power back into their hands without the need of the governor, without the battle of the governor.
00:08:38.000And so, I mean, look, it's more so, I think, of a cultural revolution that's happened where people are finally coming to their senses.
00:08:47.000Even more establishment members of the Republican Party are coming to their senses, going, oh, we are up against psychopaths who are trying to just completely obliterate election procedure or trying to manipulate us into oblivion.
00:09:26.000And so now we're getting a lot more of like the Republican psyche is now changed.
00:09:31.000It's now further along in that process, which I think is now why people are going, okay, we got to take things and we got to take the constitutional authority into our hands.
00:09:39.000Tyler, you've been talking about for a while that the entrenched corporate power, they're going to try to place some bets.
00:09:45.000Tim Scott running for the presidency, really sweet and honorable man.
00:09:49.000I don't think he's got a chance to become the nominee unless things completely fall apart.
00:09:53.000But a lot of corporate money is going behind Tim Scott, which again, I think it's better to support Tim Scott than Mike Pence.
00:09:58.000I think Tim Scott actually has something to say that drives the left nuts, but he's not conservative enough for me.
00:10:03.000But there is even some people think Tim Scott is too radical.
00:10:07.000I think that we're at a place where there's enough moderates and definitely enough donors and corporate interests that might draft a third party ticket.
00:10:18.000And it looks like it could be Manchinima and a combination of it.
00:10:25.000And you've been saying it for a while.
00:10:26.000And or maybe Joe Biden is going to kick Cammy out and put cinema as VP to help carry Arizona.
00:10:33.000These are all speculation, but not so much.
00:10:36.000Manchinima, they are popping up more and more together in press interviews.
00:10:40.000You're seeing a lot of corporate donors floated out.
00:10:42.000The U.S. Chamber of Commerce likes this idea.
00:10:46.000And my working hypothesis is I think this actually helps Republicans more than Democrats.
00:12:26.000And we've started to see where the Cokes have spent a ton of time in the chamber that there's a lot of Coke-adjacent people and a lot of friendly chamber Republicans who are just hanging out and hanging around Kirsten Sinema headquarters.
00:12:41.000And so when you look at this, you're exactly right with the racism playing out.
00:12:46.000Her decision to move to independent was by no mistake.
00:13:00.000The question is, is the plan see how far she can get in the Arizona election here for U.S. Senate, see how it plays out, see who the Republican candidate is, and then make a decision, potentially run for vice president, potentially run for third party ticket.
00:13:19.000There's a lot of options here for a person like Manchin and a person like Cinema.
00:13:24.000And none of it is good for the Democrats.
00:13:27.000And potentially these people who support them on our side will never be welcomed back ever again to the Republican Party.
00:13:34.000And so this is mostly donor driven, right?
00:13:37.000I mean, and I don't even, there's fabulous donors.
00:13:40.000We have great donors at Turning Point that are super patriots.
00:13:42.000I mean more like corporate donor, right?
00:13:44.000Like these are people that are actively running Fortune 100, Fortune 200 companies that are so out of touch.
00:13:49.000I'm talking about the target types, okay?
00:13:51.000The same ones that put like the trans stuff in Target.
00:13:54.000They like are really excited about low tax, low regulation, neoliberal, but also woke on the social stuff, right?
00:14:00.000That's kind of, can you kind of just describe what is the philosophical appeal of a man chinama candidacy?
00:14:07.000Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of this is just the entire concept is some of that they can control at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, right?
00:14:13.000Again, what we know, and you just said this at the very beginning, what we know about the chamber is they don't like the direction the Republican Party is going because it's uncontrollable for them.
00:14:23.000And that's a new thing for corporate America is that they've had this wonderful situation where they've been able to control, you know, most of the U.S. Senate, most of our governors forever.
00:14:34.000And now you have this weird situation popping up where it's like, wow, they can read the writing on the wall, the hieroglyphics that are there that are left behind by MAGA, by the MAGA base, which is like, hey, all the candidates that are coming out cannot be controlled by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
00:14:49.000And so they've shifted to these like left behind, anti-progressive, easy to control Democrats.
00:14:59.000And, you know, a lot of these Democrats are like, oh, yeah, we'll warmly accept your help.
00:15:04.000And in the meantime, this is why people are feeling the Uniparty feel.
00:15:08.000And I've told people for a long time, stop calling, you know, these Republicans, Republicans who are part of the Unit Party.
00:15:15.000The Uniparty is all made up of Democrats.
00:15:17.000The Chamber of Commerce has made a decision to go exclusively to support the Democrat Party at this point.
00:15:23.000And we have to, we have to call it for what it is and demand that they come back to our side by not just looking at this world of simply through the prison of what they can control, but of what America wants and what American interests want.
00:15:39.000This is going to manifest almost guaranteed unless there's change in the Arizona Senate race, unless Cinema becomes private equity spokesperson or head of ASU, which I think is unlikely.
00:15:51.000Cinema is going to be in kind of a three-way race that we might see as a precursor, a canary in the coal mine of American politics to come.
00:15:59.000Tyler, what is going to happen in the Arizona Senate race?
00:16:02.000Yeah, and yeah, not to get too deeply into it, but there's this no labels party that came out.
00:16:07.000And a lot of establishment, a lot of establishment Republicans were like, We can't have that.
00:16:12.000Well, they can't have that because it messes with their uniparty strategy.
00:16:16.000Because it actually, the no labels party, I think, actually helps us.
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00:19:25.000But if the idea is to get eyeballs and attention and an announcement, this is strategically smart by DeSantis' team.
00:19:34.000This is strategically smart to go on Twitter and to do a live stream.
00:19:38.000I mean, Elon is the number one Twitter out there.
00:19:41.000And DeSantis will have an opportunity to communicate mostly to undecideds.
00:19:46.000And so for this, I'm actually kind of glad he's doing it on Twitter because you're going to be communicating to a lot of moderates and a lot of center-right people that in the general election, I'd love to eventually win over.
00:19:58.000So for that, I hope you make the best pitch possible.
00:20:01.000Look, the average 75-year-old Christian in Kiakuk, Iowa, who is going to be caucusing, is not going to probably be watching on Twitter spaces.
00:20:14.000They might watch some of the clips that are re-aired on news networks or radio programs or written in newspapers.
00:20:20.000But I don't know if that's DeSantis' goal.
00:20:22.000I think DeSantis wants to get the most impressions and the most eyeballs and the most engagements.
00:20:28.000He wants to start with a bang, and this is definitely unique.
00:20:59.000You see, two things can be simultaneously true.
00:21:02.000You can be 100% behind Trump while also call balls and strikes and say, look, Ron DeSantis very well could be a once-in-a-generation leader.
00:21:13.000I'm a little afraid, though, for DeSantis' future because I wouldn't want to run against Trump.
00:21:21.000He is better at this than anybody else.
00:22:43.000And Trump will, he will ratchet up the temperature until he obliterates you.
00:22:48.000He will engage the steamroller and he will run you over.
00:22:54.000And the strategy very well could be, you know, that Ron DeSantis wants to try to activate a different type of demographic to come out in the GOP primary.
00:23:07.000Maybe that's why he wants to start on Twitter to try to get to that 20 to 40 something demographic, the kind of demographic that resonates more with the Daily Wire and less with kind of traditional Fox News media.
00:23:23.000That's kind of more in the Shapiro camp and less in the Bannon camp.
00:23:28.000Because you can kind of look, you can always kind of put a primary into different media figures.
00:23:32.000Ron DeSantis is going to try to get more Shapiro listeners out.
00:23:55.000There's been two candidates, one that did it ultimately successfully and one that did it ultimately unsuccessfully, that was able to significantly increase the primary electorate.
00:26:11.000One, and this is a big one, we do not have real leadership at the top in the United States.
00:26:18.000Russia and China are much more aggressive than they have been, frankly, in quite some time.
00:26:25.000Definitely, they weren't this aggressive when President Trump was in office.
00:26:29.000And so we're going to continue to see, in my opinion, issues like this, because at the end of the day, they don't think Joe Biden's tough enough to hold them accountable.
00:26:38.000And you can get into all the gravitas of past relationships and all the other stuff that foreign policy experts try to talk about.
00:26:47.000But at the end of the day, foreign policy is about, I'm strong, and do you truly think I'll do the thing you don't want to see me do?
00:27:43.000But it might be time to start talking to the U.S. senators and saying, let's maybe, maybe they come up with a deal, pass something out of the Senate, and then we sit down and talk through that deal because Joe Biden is not leading the country, surprise, surprise.
00:27:59.000But I don't think Joe Biden is negotiating in good faith because all of his proxies, they're singing in harmony.
00:28:05.000You know, you have sweatshirt, Shrek, Fennerman, and you have all these other people talking about the 14th Amendment.
00:28:10.000They don't want to work through you guys, which is completely unconstitutional.
00:28:15.000So, Congressman, my fear, though, and maybe you can help walk us through this, is there might be a catastrophic move by Republican leadership to say, hey, we're going to get enough of kind of our more moderate members and Democrats and get this hiked.
00:28:31.000So, what I'm saying, though, is we should ask for serious cuts, but we don't control everything.
00:28:35.000Is that fair to say that there's got to be, we have to take a good deal when we have it?
00:28:39.000I don't think we have a good deal yet, but I don't think people, you know, somebody said earlier, oh, we control all the cards.
00:29:08.000I think from the conservative side of the conference, what we've been saying is hold firm.
00:29:13.000We're the only game in town in terms of where a deal actually has been passed that's actually alive to be voted to get to the president's desk.
00:29:45.000You know, it's really tough to put this out here.
00:29:47.000And typically I don't like doing that.
00:29:49.000But now when they're in the room negotiating this stuff, I don't really want to put anything and peel it off the table because my position is clear.
00:29:57.000To raise the debt ceiling about one and a half to two trillion dollars, we should be cutting about 4.8 to 5 trillion.
00:30:05.000And then the other thing that we should definitely be doing is pulling back these Inflation Reduction Act subsidies because that stuff, all it is, is tax cuts for the rich who believe in this crazy Green New Deal stuff, which is going to set back our energy matrix in the United States.
00:30:22.000So why would we subsidize these Solyndra-type companies to make billions of dollars doing business with China and the American people fall behind?
00:30:44.000And by the way, just so everyone understands, there's still tens of billions and by some estimates, hundreds of billions of unspent money.
00:30:50.000We're talking, I mean, we're talking about employee retention credits.
00:30:52.000We're talking about COVID relief stuff.
00:30:54.000And this is a different show that we'll do at a different time.
00:30:57.000But the amount of fraud and abuse, Congressman, as you all know, that came to the COVID money surge was in the tens of billions of dollars, right?
00:31:04.000DOJ is having a field day going after scam artists and all this.
00:31:07.000So, Congressman, let me just paint not so much of a hypothetical, but I want your position.
00:31:33.000Look, if you're talking about the woke programming and DOD, as far as I'm concerned, that can go immediately.
00:31:38.000I'll be the first one to support those cuts.
00:31:41.000Secondarily, I think, and this is something we were talking about with dealing with the National Defense Authorization Act that's to come later this year, is procurement reform, actually beginning that work because we have a situation where we have defense contractors who, you know, whether they deliver or not, the money gets spent.
00:32:04.000So I think if you would get rid of those woke programming, yep, dealing with procurement reform to really help DOD be a lean meat fighting machine, we should definitely do that as well.
00:32:14.000Yeah, so this is what you just articulated is super reasonable.
00:32:17.000And that shows that Republicans want to get a deal done.
00:32:19.000Look, you can't get everything that you want, but the Democrats are saying, you know, again, Joe Biden, he's so disingenuous and his puppet people, the puppet masters.
00:32:28.000What do you guys want to do on foreign policy?
00:32:30.000And they always go after the military, right?
00:32:32.000But you just articulated, look, there's some, okay?
00:32:36.000You know, we'll come to some meet, but hey, Joe, why don't we cut this ridiculous explosion of trillions of dollars of spending, hundreds of billions of dollars of unspent money, the crony green energy subsidies?