The Charlie Kirk Show - The Meaning of Christmas with Pastor David Engelhardt of Kings' Church NYC

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00:00:10.000 Well, this episode is with Pastor David Englehart, author of the new book, Good Kills.

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00:01:39.000 Pastor David Engelhart is here to walk you through the entire meaning of Christmas biblically.

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00:02:48.000 With us is Pastor David Engelhart, author of a phenomenal new book, Good Kills.

00:02:53.000 And Pastor David Engelhart is going to tell us what that means.

00:02:56.000 And also, we're going to walk through some Christmas themes with him.

00:03:00.000 David, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:03.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks.

00:03:04.000 Thanks to be on.

00:03:05.000 Good to be on.

00:03:06.000 Christmas, two days before Christmas.

00:03:08.000 I'm always reminded of the Rush Limbaugh Thanksgiving special.

00:03:14.000 And I think you should develop a Charlie Kirk Christmas special where we talk about some of the things we've forgotten, like Mary being really important, right?

00:03:22.000 And why Santa Claus is a really great idea and some of those ideas.

00:03:26.000 It'll be like Rush's Thanksgiving thing, your version.

00:03:30.000 I love that idea.

00:03:32.000 And kind of reminding our listeners of some of the forgotten parts of Christmas.

00:03:36.000 But first, your book, Good Kills, it is awesome.

00:03:40.000 It has some of the themes that I've talked about on this show.

00:03:43.000 And David, if you saw the hate mail I got over talking about some of the stuff that you talk about.

00:03:49.000 So we'll get into all of that later, but talk a little bit about your book.

00:03:52.000 And then I want to get into the Christmas stuff and then we can go through piece by piece.

00:03:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:58.000 Well, the book is really a framework for a Christian or a conservative that likes God.

00:04:05.000 It's those two people.

00:04:06.000 It's an intellectual framework that we build out about morality, about justice, about order, about goodness.

00:04:13.000 And the basic premise is that you must have both charity, which is this kind of goodwill, kind intention, graciousness, humility, laughter, joy, all these things.

00:04:24.000 And then on the balancing charity is you must have justice, which is there is right and wrong.

00:04:29.000 There are debts and obligations.

00:04:30.000 You do owe people.

00:04:32.000 You should get punished for doing wrong things.

00:04:35.000 And those basic ideas, we have to have intention moving forward.

00:04:38.000 Now, the left really loves the kindness, the giving money away, taking taxes and spreading it out.

00:04:45.000 They like that.

00:04:45.000 They don't like justice.

00:04:46.000 They don't like punishment of villains.

00:04:49.000 They don't like the death penalty.

00:04:50.000 They're doing away with all of the hard virtues.

00:04:53.000 And the church has done the same.

00:04:55.000 And the church has stopped talking about repentance, the justice of God, that there's eternal blessing and eternal punishment.

00:05:03.000 You know, there's songs that talk about the ocean of God's grace, but they forget to mention the lake of fire.

00:05:09.000 So I build out this framework and say this framework is really important for the Christian.

00:05:13.000 It's been lost today, and we need to be reminded of it that we do, we are full of the chalice of grace.

00:05:20.000 That's what the Christmas season is all about.

00:05:22.000 But there is a balance.

00:05:23.000 God is not shallow and weak.

00:05:25.000 He's incredibly complex and powerful and amazing.

00:05:29.000 And his complexity is because he's both gracious and just at the same time.

00:05:35.000 And he holds that paradox.

00:05:37.000 And Good Kills is about remembering that paradox that resonates with all of us somewhere down deep when we see the Narnia, we read the Narnia Chronicles and we see Aslam, the lion who roars and eats the witch and is a warrior, but also very gentle with the children.

00:05:54.000 And that combination must be held in tension.

00:05:57.000 And C.S. Lewis did a beautiful job of painting that picture.

00:06:02.000 So let's talk about Santa.

00:06:04.000 Why is the idea of Santa important?

00:06:06.000 What is the real takeaway of Santa Claus?

00:06:10.000 Now, I know we'll have some Christians that will attack us for even mentioning Santa. 0.72

00:06:14.000 You as the pastor can pull that card. 0.98

00:06:16.000 Explain why should parents listening right now care about Santa?

00:06:22.000 Well, there's a couple of reasons.

00:06:23.000 But first of all, I preached a message last Sunday night, Charlie, called Santa is Great.

00:06:28.000 And at first, people are like, oh my gosh, Santa is great for a number of reasons.

00:06:32.000 First of all, Santa is great because Saint Nick was a real person.

00:06:36.000 And, you know, church history tells us that he fought for the divinity of Christ at the Council of Nicaea, that he punched Arius in the face at the Council of Nicaea because Arius was diminishing the divinity of Christ.

00:06:49.000 He's an amazing person.

00:06:50.000 There was a Catholic holiday on December, I think 6 was the date, the St. Nicholas Day that they celebrated for hundreds of years.

00:06:57.000 And then when Martin Luther came out, he said, we're going to do away with this holiday or this December 6th holiday because we're all saints.

00:07:05.000 We're not going to celebrate specific saints, but let's move it to the 25th.

00:07:09.000 So for the last 500 years, the church has been celebrating the gift of Christ on this day via Martin Luther's encouragement.

00:07:17.000 But Santa, as Saint Nick, we can say he was a pastor, he loved Jesus, and he was amazing.

00:07:22.000 So he gave gifts to kids.

00:07:24.000 That's one reason to like him.

00:07:26.000 But the symbolic reason is even better because Charlie, you know this.

00:07:31.000 We have such a lack of father, of good, beneficent father.

00:07:36.000 We don't have the good father Christmas in our culture.

00:07:39.000 We have Homer Simpson. 1.00

00:07:41.000 We have pathetic, facile dads. 1.00

00:07:43.000 Every Hollywood representation is the destruction of father. 0.99

00:07:47.000 It's actually one of the reasons I think the left hates Rittenhouse so much, because he's doing this basic, fundamental man masculine defense of his own person.

00:07:56.000 And they hate that whole idea.

00:07:58.000 The whole construct of father is hated.

00:08:00.000 So when I see Santa on the Coke bottle, I love it because it says to my children, there are good fathers that are strong and good in the world.

00:08:09.000 And that's just, that's just the father element.

00:08:12.000 And also the judging of right and wrong.

00:08:14.000 So I did a take that the whole idea of naughty or nice, the kind of the monitoring of a children's behavior has some has some moral has some moral currency and justification and like that you might get coal.

00:08:30.000 The only person that wanted coal for Christmas is Joe Manchin.

00:08:34.000 So because he loves coal.

00:08:36.000 So the, but, but David, talk about that, right?

00:08:39.000 Yeah, let me, please.

00:08:40.000 Yeah.

00:08:41.000 So it's not just a general good concept.

00:08:45.000 It's actually true that the scripture says that the eyes of the Lord travel around the earth.

00:08:51.000 And it does, the psalm says that when I rise up, you know me.

00:08:55.000 When I lie my head down, you know me.

00:08:57.000 So he, so God, Santa is teaching children a lesson.

00:09:00.000 So we say to our kids, Santa's not real, but he's a really fun story.

00:09:04.000 He was a pastor that died a long time ago, but he's a really fun story.

00:09:08.000 It's fun to talk about.

00:09:09.000 And we sing, he sees you when you're sleeping, you know, because those ideas are good that you are being watched by God at all times.

00:09:17.000 Humans need to know that.

00:09:19.000 They need to think about that.

00:09:20.000 They need to not, you know, jab their brother or their sister because they're saying that it's that question of like, what would you do if God wasn't watching, right?

00:09:30.000 And the Santa story is you're kind of always being watched by something greater than you.

00:09:35.000 Yes.

00:09:36.000 Yes.

00:09:37.000 And the real clincher on it is you will be judged.

00:09:42.000 There will be a morning that comes one day where we will discover before God that if you are good or not.

00:09:49.000 Now, we as Christians know that if we come through this great gift that is Jesus, that's why we give gifts on Christmas time to say God gave the gift of Jesus, this gratuitous gift we don't deserve.

00:10:00.000 Christ was a gift.

00:10:02.000 Life is not a gift.

00:10:03.000 Christ is not a gift.

00:10:04.000 It is a gift.

00:10:04.000 We'll get to that a little bit.

00:10:06.000 I've gotten in a lot of trouble over this whole take, David.

00:10:09.000 You've gotten me in this deep, this the deep waters of Christian philosophy.

00:10:14.000 I just got an email about it right now, actually.

00:10:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:10:18.000 Yeah, people don't understand it.

00:10:19.000 Let me just hit that real quick because it's a very simple point.

00:10:21.000 There is nowhere in the Old Testament that ever says life is a gift.

00:10:25.000 There's not a single scripture that says it.

00:10:27.000 Or the New Testament, right?

00:10:28.000 In the Old Testament, it does, or the New Testament that says life.

00:10:32.000 The New Testament expressly specifies that Christ Jesus is a gratuitous gift of God to us that we can receive his grace and love.

00:10:41.000 But life comes with obligations.

00:10:43.000 And when you receive the gift of Christ, you come into the kingdom, you still have a set of obligations.

00:10:49.000 You're still called to walk in righteousness.

00:10:51.000 You're still called to show your faith by works.

00:10:53.000 That's what the book of James tells us to do.

00:10:56.000 But somebody, somebody, my kids go to a homeschooling co-op here in Manhattan.

00:11:02.000 And there's a family that they don't do any presents.

00:11:05.000 They don't give their kids any presents on Christmas and they don't do Christmas at all.

00:11:10.000 They refuse to celebrate it.

00:11:11.000 They're very strong Christians, but because they discovered that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, they decided to reject the whole idea of celebrating the birth of Christ on Christmas.

00:11:24.000 I just think, what an insane idea.

00:11:25.000 The whole idea of giving a gift for someone who doesn't deserve it to celebrate that God gave us the gift of Christ is an incredibly good idea.

00:11:36.000 And that's the, there's a justice side and there's a charity side.

00:11:40.000 And we have to be able to walk in both things.

00:11:42.000 And once one of the things that conservatives get pigeonholed on, oh, you guys all just want law and order, law and order.

00:11:48.000 No, we want both.

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00:13:02.000 And I said that virtue should be rewarded by parents, such as kids that take Hillsdale online courses, versus playing violent video games or goofing around on TikTok all day long.

00:13:14.000 And that your Christmas gifts should be distributed to children based on the, let's say, based on the decisions your children make and also whether or not they're good kids versus bad kids.

00:13:27.000 Got a lot of pushback on that.

00:13:29.000 Some parents agreed, most disagreed.

00:13:31.000 They said, you don't know what it's like because you're not a parent.

00:13:33.000 Fair enough.

00:13:34.000 That's fine.

00:13:35.000 But I was raised by parents that would always say, hey, if you don't behave, you're not going to get good gifts.

00:13:41.000 And it worked.

00:13:42.000 David, what does the Bible say?

00:13:44.000 What does your book say about this?

00:13:46.000 Well, we start with this premise that life itself is not a gift.

00:13:50.000 And we have a world that has been so dunked in soft socialism in a welfare state that anybody that's lacking anything is seen as some kind of great moral crisis.

00:14:02.000 And the idea, you know, we're the wealthiest country in the history of the world at the wealthiest time of our country.

00:14:10.000 And people have, you know, there's so many parents right now that are buying gaming computers for their kids.

00:14:16.000 They're sold out all over the place.

00:14:17.000 They're like a thousand bucks a pop.

00:14:19.000 I mean, think about getting a, think about when you were a kid, Charlie, your parent like getting you a thousand dollar just for the heck of it, just getting because you need to, you need to TikTok more or whatever.

00:14:29.000 We don't understand this concept of earning things.

00:14:32.000 It's kind of left our justice is all about what's owed and what's being owed, right?

00:14:38.000 Exactly.

00:14:38.000 If I owe you something, if I, if I harm you, this is a debt from you.

00:14:42.000 That's right.

00:14:42.000 Justice is all about debt.

00:14:43.000 That's why in the Lord's Prayer in Luke chapter 11, it says, you know, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed, and you're him, da-da-da, forgive us our debts as we forgive those who owe us debts.

00:14:55.000 It literally uses the terminology debts because justice is about debts being owed or being not owed.

00:15:00.000 When we come into the world, God doesn't give us life and say you can do whatever you want with it.

00:15:06.000 He says, I have a specific set of instructions for you.

00:15:09.000 I want you to be fruitful.

00:15:10.000 I want you to multiply.

00:15:12.000 I want you to diminish darkness.

00:15:13.000 I want you to be kind.

00:15:14.000 I want you to be just.

00:15:15.000 I want you to be good.

00:15:17.000 Those are the things.

00:15:18.000 And if you're not those things, then you are in debt to God because you're wasting the life he's given you.

00:15:24.000 Now, Christ comes to us as a gift and it's gratuitous.

00:15:29.000 It's unearned.

00:15:30.000 It's unwarranted.

00:15:31.000 It's because God is so good that he loves his enemies.

00:15:35.000 And we, because we are in debt to him and we do other things than what he tells us, we are enemies of God.

00:15:42.000 So there's a fundamental baseline that children need to be taught about earning things, about justice, about things being owed.

00:15:50.000 But then there are good times to have moments of our life like God gave us this moment in Christ that is a gratuitous gift, an unwarranted gift.

00:15:57.000 No, I think that's a balance.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, that's a great balance.

00:16:00.000 I think that the reason I said what I said, and obviously it got people thinking, is that I think, David, you could agree, it's totally out of whack, right?

00:16:07.000 I mean, it's completely unbalanced, right?

00:16:10.000 We are so into the place of automatic gifts, no matter what, no matter what the kids do, no matter how rude, no matter how awful, it's almost like just get them the latest digital pacifier, right?

00:16:21.000 It'll shut them up, right?

00:16:22.000 That's right.

00:16:22.000 It'll keep them staring at a screen.

00:16:24.000 Yeah.

00:16:25.000 And then drug addiction and all this kind of stuff.

00:16:27.000 Like, oh, my kid's on heroin, but I still give him all kinds of stuff.

00:16:31.000 Well, why don't you at some point say no?

00:16:33.000 That's right.

00:16:34.000 You're not going to be rewarded for that kind of behavior.

00:16:36.000 That's bad for you.

00:16:37.000 The Bible says if you don't discipline your child, you hate him, right?

00:16:43.000 Yeah, I mean, sorry, you cut out for a sec.

00:16:44.000 That's right.

00:16:45.000 And the question is, how do you balance that in the Christmas season?

00:16:49.000 And that's the other thing is that generosity is going above and beyond and trying to also use this as a season to be magnanimous.

00:16:58.000 Right.

00:16:59.000 And but it's definitely got people thinking.

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00:18:05.000 Number two, the need to revere Mary.

00:18:09.000 What do you mean?

00:18:11.000 Well, yeah, so Mary is a picture of carrying the Christ child.

00:18:18.000 Now, obviously, the Catholic Church likes Mary a lot and they like to spend a lot of time with her.

00:18:24.000 Protestants basically ignore Mary.

00:18:27.000 And I think to their great detriment.

00:18:29.000 Yeah, it's a really bad idea.

00:18:31.000 Why is it a bad idea?

00:18:32.000 Because in Mary, we see a picture of Christ coming into someone, right?

00:18:38.000 And growing and the divinity of God fusing with the carnality of man and Christ being formed inside of a person.

00:18:48.000 Well, that's exactly the Christian walk.

00:18:51.000 That's exactly what it's supposed to be.

00:18:53.000 Romans chapter five says that the spirit of Christ lives inside of us and it's forming our being, the divinity of God, meeting with our carnality and doing the work of God on the inside of us so that Christ is formed in our lives.

00:19:09.000 And to miss that picture is to literally miss, one, this incredible idea of the incarnation, which is mind-boggling that God's divinity would fuse with our mortality, not just in Mary, but somehow mystically in us.

00:19:23.000 Paul says this is the most mysterious, the greatest mystery that we have is Christ and the church, the joying of these things.

00:19:30.000 And it's because God is divinely changing our nature by the Spirit of God indwelling us.

00:19:36.000 And if the church misses that, they miss the first point of the Christmas story, Charlie.

00:19:40.000 And so it's frustrating that, you know, to guard from over-veneration of saints, the Protestant church has thrown out even, you know, people like Mary who really represent this incredible thing that she was gracious and humble.

00:19:53.000 And then when she's, you know, when it's Mary or her cousin Elizabeth is there with her and the baby leaps in her womb, she starts singing this incredible song.

00:20:04.000 You know, it's Mary's song.

00:20:06.000 And so here's the, here's the pathway, Charlie.

00:20:09.000 God comes and meets with us.

00:20:10.000 He, he, he wakes us up on the inside and starts changing us.

00:20:14.000 And then creativity explodes from us.

00:20:17.000 Like we start singing songs and rejoicing.

00:20:19.000 It's a really incredible concept.

00:20:21.000 And I think it begins the whole Christmas story, that point of the carnation of Christ in the incarnation of Christ inside of us.

00:20:29.000 Well, and it's also a great role model for young women, too. 0.78

00:20:32.000 Yes.

00:20:33.000 And I agree with you.

00:20:35.000 I think that I'm not a Catholic, but I have a lot of respect for Catholics.

00:20:39.000 Catholics at times can over-venerate Mary and Protestants almost always under-venerate Mary.

00:20:44.000 That's right. 1.00

00:20:44.000 I think that's a really good rule of thumb. 1.00

00:20:47.000 No room in the manger.

00:20:49.000 What's the lesson here?

00:20:51.000 This is such a fun story.

00:20:53.000 So there is a song in the 2006 called My Humps by Black Eyes Peace.

00:21:00.000 It's a terrible song.

00:21:01.000 I remember it's a terrible song.

00:21:02.000 Why are you mentioning it?

00:21:04.000 It's terrible.

00:21:05.000 I was talking about camels and camel humps as related to the Christmas story. 0.99

00:21:09.000 And I talked about that song just because it's such a piece of trash. 0.92

00:21:12.000 And I said that people don't know this, but camels, they can humans go like three to five days without water. 1.00

00:21:21.000 You're dead.

00:21:21.000 Camels can't just go six or seven days or six or seven weeks.

00:21:25.000 Camels can go six or seven months without drinking water.

00:21:29.000 Isn't that insane?

00:21:30.000 It says in the wintertime, they can go that long without drinking water.

00:21:33.000 Well, a camel is filled up with its own stuff.

00:21:36.000 Water and fat, that hump on its back is actually a fatty hump that is, it's a food storage piece.

00:21:42.000 And Jesus says that you can't, it's harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a camel to go through the eye of a needle.

00:21:48.000 Why did he choose a camel and not a whale?

00:21:51.000 Did they not have whales?

00:21:52.000 Could he not think of a bigger animal?

00:21:54.000 No, because he was specifically talking about an animal that's self-sustained, a being that's full of its own stuff.

00:22:02.000 Why is it harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom?

00:22:05.000 Because they're full of their own stuff, their own life, their own busyness.

00:22:08.000 They have no room in the manger.

00:22:10.000 They have no room in the inn.

00:22:11.000 They have no space for God.

00:22:13.000 They haven't created a place for him.

00:22:14.000 And the Christmas story, one of the things centrally it tells us is it's saying, God saying to man, please make room in your life.

00:22:22.000 I want to come to you.

00:22:23.000 It's my desire to know you, but you've made no room for me.

00:22:27.000 And so Jesus ends up in a manger.

00:22:31.000 And the camel, the camel and the needle is so apt here because Jesus says when he's teaching in his ministry, he says, the hungry will be filled.

00:22:39.000 Those who hunger and thirst will be filled.

00:22:41.000 He says, blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

00:22:45.000 Why?

00:22:46.000 Because they have need.

00:22:48.000 I said Sunday, Charlie, and this probably offends some people.

00:22:50.000 I said, the poor in America are not blessed.

00:22:52.000 They're cursed because all their needs are met by the government.

00:22:55.000 So even in their moral poverty and all of those kinds of things, they have no need or desperation for God because the government has become their God.

00:23:04.000 So our poor are not blessed.

00:23:06.000 Our poor are accursed.

00:23:08.000 And I think it's a horrific thing when you take people and you meet all of their basic needs, but all of their morality is left to run awry, right?

00:23:18.000 And so Jesus likes us having need and having room in our heart, making room for him.

00:23:24.000 And that's why the manger story is so beautiful.

00:23:26.000 And here's the other thing.

00:23:28.000 Here's the cap on it, Charlie.

00:23:30.000 You know, every picture in the manger, Jesus is like in this hay, this animal feeding spot, right?

00:23:35.000 Is it a trough?

00:23:36.000 It's whatever it is, an ancient animal feed spot.

00:23:39.000 Because Jesus doesn't want us to be filled and fed on the things of this world, but we would actually be fed in our relationship with him.

00:23:47.000 He calls himself the bread of life that comes down from heaven that we may receive.

00:23:53.000 That's what communion is all about, reminding us that taking his body, taking his blood, that's what we need.

00:24:00.000 Relationship with God is the thing that truly brings us fulfillment and life.

00:24:04.000 And so he comes in a meal package.

00:24:07.000 A writer said it's a baby in a dog dish.

00:24:10.000 And it's such a crazy idea, but part of the symbolism is that he wants to fill us.

00:24:15.000 We don't need to be filled with a new car.

00:24:16.000 We don't need to be filled like Tucker says, with just another bump in our paycheck.

00:24:21.000 We need to be filled with God's life.

00:24:23.000 And from that place, the rest of life flows.

00:24:26.000 So, David, that was so beautiful.

00:24:28.000 And also, it means making room for God in your schedule, right?

00:24:31.000 Yes.

00:24:32.000 In your finances, right?

00:24:33.000 In your mental space, right?

00:24:35.000 In your time.

00:24:36.000 Talk about that.

00:24:37.000 Where it's in your physical space, too.

00:24:39.000 Do you have a room in your house that might maybe is more dedicated to God?

00:24:43.000 And maybe you don't have many rooms in your house than do you have a chair, right?

00:24:47.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?

00:24:48.000 Yeah, I mean, seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all of these things will follow after, you know.

00:24:55.000 What about my food?

00:24:56.000 What about my needs?

00:24:57.000 What about all these things?

00:24:58.000 We wake up and we have all this stress in our life, and we usually start running after the most stressful thing and trying to solve that issue.

00:25:04.000 But God says, if you seek me first, seek my kingdom first, all of the other things, I will help you resolve them.

00:25:11.000 I'll resolve them by my own hand, or I'll give you the wisdom to resolve them.

00:25:14.000 And so I actually think, you know, David says, I will awaken the dawn with my praise.

00:25:19.000 I really think it's really important for people to, first thing in the morning, seek first the kingdom of God, to spend time with God, to get in their Bible, to read, to get his wisdom and say, you know, I don't need another, just another, you know, a Joe Rogan podcast.

00:25:33.000 I need more God's word in me.

00:25:35.000 I need more scripture.

00:25:36.000 I need to spend time seeking first.

00:25:38.000 Doesn't mean I don't listen to the Charlie Kirk Show daily, subscribe to the Charlie Curry Show podcast.

00:25:42.000 There you go, David.

00:25:43.000 You know it.

00:25:45.000 But first, I seek God, right?

00:25:47.000 First in the morning, I get in the scripture.

00:25:49.000 And you're right with my finances, I make sure there's a portion of all of my finances, every paycheck that I give to God, that I make room for him in all of these different aspects of our life.

00:26:00.000 Jesus said that the Pharisees love to go out on the street corner and proclaim their prayers.

00:26:04.000 And he said, don't do that.

00:26:06.000 Go home, go in your closet, be hidden.

00:26:08.000 And what you do in secret, those prayers you pray in secret, the Lord will reward you openly.

00:26:12.000 So there is also something about place and time.

00:26:16.000 And what better example in the Christmas season of the necessity to make room for God?

00:26:22.000 And there, again, it's kind of cliche in Christian circles, like, oh, Christmas has become too commercialized. 0.85

00:26:29.000 And of course, it's totally true, obviously.

00:26:31.000 But I also don't think that when given the opportunity, when these churches are filled the next couple of days, our pastors really making that argument of the incarnation, right?

00:26:42.000 Of the connection between heaven and earth.

00:26:42.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 And that is what Christmas is about, which is the intersection, the meeting point of that, which is the most humble beginnings that one could have.

00:26:56.000 Okay, so you sent me another prompt here.

00:26:57.000 Maybe you know it, David, as I'm trying to pull it up.

00:27:00.000 And again, Good Kills by Pastor David Engelhart.

00:27:02.000 The last segment, I'm going to really grill you on the book, David.

00:27:04.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:27:05.000 Yeah.

00:27:06.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 The other thing that was just important is just the idea of the, sorry, Martin Luther and the gift giving aspect.

00:27:19.000 So we go back and forth of this because it's a paradoxical idea that life is not a gift, but Christ is a gift.

00:27:25.000 That's hard for people's brains.

00:27:27.000 It makes their brains explode, clearly.

00:27:30.000 But we give gifts in part to say, this is how much God loves you, that he would give the gift of his son.

00:27:37.000 And so gift giving should be a part of our faith.

00:27:40.000 And there are certainly times where kids get too many gifts and it spoils them rotten and it actually corrupts their characters.

00:27:48.000 And there's times in Christianity where Christians that they, their pastors never tell them to repent.

00:27:54.000 They don't tell them to deal with sin.

00:27:55.000 They don't tell them to not.

00:27:56.000 And we're definitely yoked in that bad direction right now.

00:27:58.000 Totally.

00:27:59.000 And so our churches are full of divorces.

00:28:01.000 They're God, which God hates. 1.00

00:28:03.000 They're full of porn addictions. 1.00

00:28:04.000 They're full of all of the filth that's in the world. 0.99

00:28:06.000 Just come on in.

00:28:07.000 We'll just keep telling you how many gifts God wants to give you.

00:28:10.000 That's the negative side of it.

00:28:12.000 And that's why we need to remember, we need to talk about repentance.

00:28:16.000 We need to talk about the cross.

00:28:17.000 We need to talk about these hard truths that then make the gift all the more valuable.

00:28:21.000 We don't throw out the idea of gift giving, right?

00:28:24.000 We do say this is important, but it needs to be held in context.

00:28:28.000 Just like, you know, if you only get the hard sets, if you only get the whip, if you only like the Bible says about the ox, it says, allow the ox to take off its muzzle while it's treading the grain.

00:28:40.000 It's working really hard.

00:28:42.000 Let it eat whatever it wants.

00:28:43.000 It can literally eat as much as it wants as long as it's treading the grain.

00:28:47.000 And we have, that's the idea of strength, hard work, power, and whatever you want to do, liberty in what you're consuming in this idea.

00:28:55.000 Paul is talking there about paying pastors, actually.

00:28:58.000 He's saying, if they're working their butts off and your lives are getting changed and they're not a disaster and your finances and your family and everything's turning around, well, then bless them.

00:29:07.000 What do you add of your mind?

00:29:08.000 They're praying and they're at the hospital with you.

00:29:11.000 They're all this kind of stuff.

00:29:12.000 Why would you want them to be in poverty as well? 1.00

00:29:15.000 That's a stupid idea. 1.00

00:29:17.000 But that's a whole, that's another book. 1.00

00:29:19.000 That's another future book.

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00:30:28.000 David, so let's talk about, there's this new article.

00:30:32.000 You probably saw it where this person who is a woman who thinks that she's a man gives birth and says that it's the first man ever to give birth.

00:30:42.000 Did you see this story?

00:30:42.000 It was almost nothing.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, I saw it.

00:30:45.000 I saw some images from it.

00:30:46.000 It was horrific and deeply disturbing.

00:30:50.000 I showed my boys it actually.

00:30:52.000 And I have a 10-year-old and a 13-year-old. 0.90

00:30:55.000 And they were equally horrified, if not more horrified, as they should be, as all normal, sane people would be when a woman takes so many, is juiced up with so much testosterone that she has a beard and then pretends she's a man and pretends she's having a male baby as a man. 0.79

00:31:17.000 You know, yeah, so sexual anarchy, this chapter in the book, Good Kills, basically, we talk, we go through the town of towns of Sodom and Gomorrah, which are historical cities. 0.89

00:31:27.000 You can read that in Eric Metaxas' book about atheism.

00:31:30.000 But the idea is the names of the town, one is named Place of Burning.

00:31:34.000 The other one is playing named essentially place of drowning, Gomorrah, Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:31:40.000 These are both good things.

00:31:41.000 They're blessings.

00:31:42.000 Fire and water are blessings.

00:31:43.000 But when fire gets out of the fireplace, it spreads throughout the community or house and kills everyone.

00:31:50.000 When water leaves the banks and boundaries that it's God's intended natural place for it, we all drown and die.

00:31:57.000 And the idea is sexuality is a gift from God that he's given us, a dangerous gift, because if it escapes the boundaries that God gave us, then it consumes the entire society and we all die.

00:32:11.000 How do we die? 0.87

00:32:11.000 Well, I mean, the real simple way is then when there's only men with men, you don't have any more children. 0.87

00:32:15.000 I mean, that's a really easy way to end a society.

00:32:18.000 I mean, it's not, it doesn't take a brain scientist to figure that out.

00:32:21.000 It doesn't take a brain scientist to know that, you know, there's not going to be like a host of surrogates, free will surrogates just having babies for strangers all day long.

00:32:29.000 Like that's not, it's not a reality, right?

00:32:31.000 In their fiction.

00:32:33.000 And so sexual anarchy is, I'm throwing out God's order.

00:32:36.000 And when I do that, I think it's a great fun idea.

00:32:39.000 I'm being creative and having fun with my life.

00:32:41.000 I used it, David.

00:32:41.000 You saw how viral that went.

00:32:43.000 Yeah, that was fun.

00:32:44.000 I think you got 50,000 retweets on that phrase.

00:32:47.000 It was trending somewhere because people were so taken back by the phrase.

00:32:51.000 It was beautiful.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, but the idea is God has an order and it's man and woman are joined in marriage forever and that it becomes incredibly beautiful, deep and complex.

00:33:02.000 If you try to do other things with sexuality outside of that very simple order, it's going to go poorly and it's going to continue to deform and destroy. 0.89

00:33:10.000 And then it goes into now children getting transgender surgery. 0.98

00:33:14.000 No one would have ever imagined that that would have been that would be illegal 30 years ago, Charlie. 0.70

00:33:19.000 Unimaginable.

00:33:19.000 It's not just legal.

00:33:20.000 It's subsidized and encouraged in certain situations.

00:33:24.000 And so we have two minutes, Good Kills by David Engelhart.

00:33:27.000 Let's get to the theme of it. 0.99

00:33:29.000 So some people would say it's the good thing to want to help the transgender person, but you're making the argument that that form of good actually can kill.

00:33:39.000 Yeah, I'm making, no, I'm making a, well, here's my argument.

00:33:43.000 Good must kill that idea.

00:33:45.000 Good must destroy the idea that sexual anarchy is going to make me feel better because it doesn't. 1.00

00:33:51.000 Sexual anarchy will destroy you and make you want to kill yourself and commit suicide. 0.99

00:33:56.000 It destroys life itself. 0.99

00:33:57.000 So if good as the sword doesn't cut off the rotting things, we will all rot.

00:34:03.000 And we as a culture and we as a society must cut off the rotting things or we ourselves will rot.

00:34:08.000 What does that mean? 0.94

00:34:09.000 That means different borders, different communities.

00:34:12.000 That means whatever it means.

00:34:13.000 It obviously doesn't mean we want to go around killing people.

00:34:15.000 That's an insane interpretation.

00:34:17.000 The poetic license that I'm using is the sword kills cancer.

00:34:22.000 It takes it away from the body.

00:34:23.000 And we must have ideas that separate us from the milieu of lukewarm vomit that is the philosophy of our current day.

00:34:32.000 Yes, that's right.

00:34:34.000 So Good Kills by David Engelhart.

00:34:37.000 Check it out.

00:34:37.000 David, I love having you on the show.

00:34:39.000 Have a wonderful Christmas.

00:34:40.000 You dove into all these different topics so beautifully.

00:34:42.000 We're going to have to have you come back.

00:34:43.000 And everybody, if you're in New York or traveling through New York, check out the King's Church.

00:34:48.000 They do a great job, truly.

00:34:50.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:34:50.000 Check it out.

00:34:51.000 You're a good friend, David.

00:34:52.000 God bless you.

00:34:52.000 Thank you.

00:34:53.000 Merry Christmas, everybody.

00:34:54.000 Email us your thoughts as always.

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00:34:57.000 Enjoy all the new episodes we are going to be posting.

00:34:59.000 I think you'll love it.

00:35:00.000 God bless you guys.

00:35:01.000 Speak to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 24, 2021

The Meaning of Christmas with Pastor David Engelhardt of Kings' Church NYC

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