The Charlie Kirk Show - The Media's 'GREAT Conflation' of January 6th

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, The Great Conflation, how the media is conflating peaceful Trump supporters with people that did things that, quite honestly, we have denounced and that no one supports.

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00:00:28.000 The great conflation is here.

00:00:30.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:31.000 Here we go.

00:00:32.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:34.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:36.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:40.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:43.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:44.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:45.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:47.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:53.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:02.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:05.000 With the Turning Point USA movement, I have the honor of traveling to college campuses and engage in rigorous debate with the next generation.

00:01:13.000 When you talk to as many students as I do, there are several familiar themes.

00:01:17.000 I see disillusionment with the media, a lack of hope in their job prospects, and I hear them claim that they're victims and deserve better.

00:01:23.000 Whether college students realize it or not, they are forming ideologies that will affect the way they think and treat others for a lifetime.

00:01:29.000 I like to recommend a great book to any young person in this time of life.

00:01:32.000 It's called Reflections on the Existence of God by the best-selling author Richard Simmons III.

00:01:37.000 This guy doesn't shy away from the hard questions of life.

00:01:40.000 Reflections on the existence of God is a collection of short essays that tackle the biggest questions of all.

00:01:44.000 Does God exist?

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00:01:51.000 Our worldview informs our personal, social, and political lives.

00:01:54.000 It helps us understand our purpose.

00:01:56.000 So I'm challenging college students to ask themselves life's toughest questions.

00:02:00.000 Dive in.

00:02:00.000 It's a great book.

00:02:01.000 You've got to check it out.

00:02:02.000 Reflections on the existence of God.

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00:02:09.000 Your thoughts on the book, reflectionscharlie.com.

00:02:16.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here with Isabel Brown from Turning Point USA.

00:02:20.000 Not that there's a lot happening in our country right now, but we'll try to make the most of the slow news cycle right now.

00:02:28.000 Pelosi, to move forward with impeachment, if Pence doesn't act, Politico from Meredith McGraw and Daniel Lippman.

00:02:35.000 Democrats will immediately move to force the president from office for his role in inciting violent riots at the Capitol.

00:02:43.000 Now, this is the politico piece.

00:02:44.000 This implies that President Trump did incite violent riots at the Capitol.

00:02:50.000 That is hotly debated.

00:02:52.000 In fact, the Wall Street Journal has come out with a piece that is very good that said, no, the president did not do such a thing.

00:02:58.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:03:00.000 But Pelosi has made it very clear in a letter to her members that if Pence refuses to act, Democrats will immediately move to force Trump from office for his role in, quote, inciting violent riots at the Capitol on Wednesday.

00:03:14.000 They repeat it three times in just the first couple paragraphs here.

00:03:17.000 And so what we've seen here is now that House Democrats have given an ultimatum of sorts.

00:03:22.000 They have said that if Vice President Pence does not enact the 25th Amendment, which the Vice President can enact with the agreement of cabinet officials to remove the President of the United States, then she will have an impeachment vote on the House floor.

00:03:39.000 This would not be the first impeachment fight, as many of you know.

00:03:42.000 The first impeachment fight was nine, about a year ago, when Adam Schiff and the crew decided to impeach President Donald Trump over a simple phone call.

00:03:55.000 And so a lot of this is around the inciting of violence.

00:04:00.000 Now, what does that exactly mean to incite violence?

00:04:02.000 That is something that is really open for interpretation.

00:04:08.000 I want to get into the incitement timeline.

00:04:11.000 But first, I want to get, because there's a lot wrong with how the Democrats have been portraying this.

00:04:17.000 But first, I want to read from this great piece in the Wall Street Journal from Jeffrey Scott Shapiro.

00:04:22.000 No, Trump isn't guilty of incitement.

00:04:25.000 House Democrats have drafted an article of impeachment that accuses President Trump of, quote, incitement to insurrection.

00:04:32.000 Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin said Thursday that his office is, quote, looking at all actors here and anyone that had a role in the Capitol riot.

00:04:41.000 Some reporters have constructed that as including Mr. Trump.

00:04:45.000 But it continues by saying the president didn't commit incitement or any other crime.

00:04:50.000 I should know.

00:04:50.000 As the Washington prosecutor, I earned the nickname, quote, protester prosecutor, from the anti-war group Code Pink.

00:04:57.000 In one trial, I convicted 31 protesters who disrupted congressional traffic by obstructing the Capitol Crypt.

00:05:04.000 In another, I convicted a Code Pink activist who smeared her hands with fake blood, charged at the then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in a House hearing room and incited the audience to seize the Secretary of State physically.

00:05:16.000 In other cases, I dropped charges when the facts fell short of the legal standard of incitement.

00:05:21.000 This is what it says.

00:05:23.000 Hostile journalists and lawmakers have suggested Mr. Trump incited the riot when he told a rally that Republicans need to, quote, fight much harder.

00:05:30.000 Mr. Trump suggested the crowd walk to the Capitol, quote, we're going to cheer on brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back your country's weakness.

00:05:41.000 You have to show strength.

00:05:42.000 You have to be strong.

00:05:43.000 Now, Josh Shapiro continues by saying, in D.C., it's a crime to, quote, intentionally or recklessly act in such a manner to cause another person to be in reasonable fear, or, quote, to incite or provoke violence when there in a likelihood that such violence will ensure.

00:05:57.000 But here is where it continues.

00:05:59.000 The president didn't mention violence on Wednesday, much less provoke or incite it.

00:06:04.000 This is from Jeff Shapiro, who is the former prosecutor, U.S. attorney for D.C.

00:06:11.000 And then it goes on to say, the president's critics want him charged for inflaming the emotions of angry Americans.

00:06:18.000 That alone does not satisfy the elements of any criminal offense.

00:06:22.000 Therefore, his speech is protected by the Constitution that members are sworn to support and defend.

00:06:27.000 Isabel, what do you make of all this?

00:06:29.000 You know, I find it interesting Congress is spending the day and potentially the next few weeks focused solely on this issue of impeaching President Trump when they could be working on a million other things to actually benefit the lives of the American people.

00:06:42.000 We're still in the midst of an ongoing pandemic that's negatively affecting millions of people in this country who are out of work, who've been forced to close their businesses, who can't go back to school.

00:06:51.000 And I find it interesting that instead of catering to those needs and providing for the American people through, I don't know, a better stimulus package or allowing people to reopen their businesses from the federal level, instead we're sitting around debating whether or not the president of the United States is directly responsible for insurrection, which we clearly know he's not.

00:07:08.000 So let's go to cut 16, where the president says clearly he wants people to march peacefully and patriotically.

00:07:15.000 Play tape.

00:07:16.000 I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

00:07:25.000 There you go.

00:07:26.000 Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

00:07:29.000 And so the fallout from this has not stopped.

00:07:33.000 The fallout is impeachment.

00:07:35.000 And also, as of this broadcast, President Donald Trump is no longer on Twitter, Snapchat, Parlor doesn't exist.

00:07:43.000 Right.

00:07:44.000 Spotify.

00:07:45.000 What else did they delete the president for?

00:07:47.000 Instagram, Facebook.

00:07:49.000 I believe they banned him from TikTok.

00:07:51.000 Not that that necessarily applies.

00:07:53.000 An active TikTok user.

00:07:55.000 But yeah, we've seen a very coordinated effort from across the industry and social media and just social networking sites with podcasts and music and movies to ban the president of the United States from engaging in those platforms.

00:08:06.000 Let's go to cut 10 of Pelosi saying the president is guilty of inciting an insurrection.

00:08:10.000 He has to pay for that.

00:08:13.000 Play cuts on.

00:08:14.000 Well, I let the 25th Amendment because it gets rid of him.

00:08:17.000 He's out of office.

00:08:20.000 But there is strong support in the Congress for impeaching the president a second time.

00:08:26.000 This president is guilty of inciting insurrection.

00:08:31.000 He has to pay a price for that. 0.70

00:08:33.000 And so do you remember over the summer when BLM activists almost stormed the White House? 0.86

00:08:42.000 Do you remember this? 0.87

00:08:42.000 I do. 0.87

00:08:43.000 So when the BLM activists attacked the White House, which resulted in, can you look up how many Secret Service people were hurt?

00:08:53.000 I want to say dozens.

00:08:55.000 Dozens of Secret Service members hurt.

00:08:58.000 Was that not an attack on our democratic institutions?

00:09:02.000 Was that not an attack on the fabric of our country? 0.63

00:09:07.000 When the BLM activists were reprehensibly attacking the White House, just as the people last week were reprehensibly attacking the Capitol, was that not an attack on our institutions? 0.64

00:09:22.000 The protests in what was called Black Lives Matter Plaza resulted in the Secret Service becoming so uncertain at the chain of events that the President of the United States was forced to go to the bunker, the nuclear bunker, just because they were not sure whether or not there was going to be a storming of the White House gates. 0.82

00:09:47.000 Thankfully, there wasn't.

00:09:49.000 Thankfully, the Secret Service did their job.

00:09:51.000 And remember what happened after that?

00:09:52.000 The Attorney General of the United States, Bill Barr, cleared out the plaza with tear gas, and the Attorney General was attacked for doing such tactics, for clearing out people that were trying to storm the gates of the White House.

00:10:09.000 Now, Isabel, you've been in the White House many times.

00:10:11.000 With that many people, they could have been successful.

00:10:13.000 Absolutely.

00:10:14.000 They absolutely could have been.

00:10:15.000 Let's not forget that during President Obama's second term, an individual actually was successful in climbing over the fence to the White House and made it in the front door, which was a very clear security threat to the residents of the president and the vice president working there, obviously, the first lady living there, and clearly had nefarious intentions in mind.

00:10:34.000 And yet, at the same time, we look at an incident like that and what happened last Wednesday, and you can't even compare them in today's media climate.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, and so there were attempts to try to breach the White House walls.

00:10:46.000 This was never described by the activist media or by anyone in leadership as insurrection.

00:10:52.000 It was never treated as insurrection by any law enforcement officials.

00:10:56.000 More than 60 Secret Service officers were hurt when this attempted attack came on the White House.

00:11:05.000 And so we denounced that and we denounce the capital violence.

00:11:08.000 Why is that the left believes that certain forms of violence are acceptable and okay and others are not?

00:11:15.000 Well, that is simply because they believe that in the power struggle that they see America, they believe that the rioters for BLM Incorporated are they have a license to do such destruction.

00:11:30.000 And yet when they see anyone that is not of their political persuasion doing that, and not even of my political, if you resort to political violence, you are not of my political persuasion.

00:11:41.000 Then all of a sudden, they start to say that it's an insurrection.

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00:13:26.000 Isabel, I was about to go make a post on Parlor, and it turns out I can't do that.

00:13:31.000 Yeah, good luck posting on Parlor.

00:13:32.000 What actually happens if you try to go to Parlor right now?

00:13:35.000 It just says that basically the website doesn't exist, interestingly, because the server that hosted the domain for parlor.com is owned by Amazon.

00:13:43.000 And yesterday they decided to completely shut down access to the website after the Google App Store and the Apple App Store decided to do the same thing.

00:13:51.000 So these are three trillion-dollar companies, Apple, Google, and of course Amazon, or near trillion-dollar companies that have colluded to try and eliminate and destroy a free speech competitor to Twitter.

00:14:06.000 This is the closest thing I think we've seen in our lifetime to the burning of books.

00:14:10.000 It looks exactly like that.

00:14:12.000 And honestly, it resembles fascism in very scary ways that I never expected to see, especially in a free country like the United States of America.

00:14:20.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:14:21.000 And so basically, people have told us for quite some time: go create a competitor, go create an alternative to Twitter.

00:14:30.000 And some of us are like, well, we want access to the biggest platform, but we didn't discourage Parler.

00:14:35.000 I have a Parlor account.

00:14:37.000 I was one of the first users on Parlor.

00:14:39.000 And what ended up happening, now what's ended up happening is that because of what happened last week and the misrepresentation and what happened last week, which is what we're going to do in the next segment, we're going to break down piece by piece this intentional mob inflation conflation by the activist media to try to conflate every single human being that was wearing a MAGA hat in the Washington DC zip code as if they were involved in assaulting a police officer, which is not true.

00:15:08.000 And I'm going to go through the geography of it.

00:15:09.000 I'm going to go through the timeline of it because this is critically important.

00:15:13.000 But if you look at now, the fallout from this controversy has now resulted in millions of people unable to receive information.

00:15:23.000 Let's go to cut eight.

00:15:25.000 Devin Nunez calls for a RICO investigation into big tech for what has happened to Parlor.

00:15:30.000 Playtape.

00:15:32.000 So I don't know where the hell the Department of Justice is at right now or the FBI.

00:15:38.000 This is clearly a violation of antitrust, civil rights, the RICO statute.

00:15:45.000 There should be a racketeering investigation on all the people that coordinated this attack on not only a company, but on all of those like us, like me, like you, Maria.

00:15:58.000 And so, Isabel, what's the excuse they're giving for doing this?

00:16:01.000 They're saying that the speech policies they have are lightly moderated.

00:16:05.000 What's their justification?

00:16:06.000 From what I can tell, the justification, at least from Apple's side of things, on why they took it off the app store was that speech wasn't monitored heavily enough on the Parlor app.

00:16:15.000 They're saying that there were numerous instances where people directly incited violence on the app and that was reported but not taken care of.

00:16:22.000 I've experienced the opposite on the Parlor app, like you.

00:16:25.000 I have an account there, and if there is a very clear violation of their terms of service, those posts get taken down almost immediately.

00:16:32.000 They're very good at handling that.

00:16:33.000 So it sounds to me that that's sort of an excuse for covering up speech that they just don't like.

00:16:38.000 Yeah, and so here's something that we've been talking about on this program for quite some time, which is if the government were to shut down Parlor, you would be able to sue almost instantaneously and win.

00:16:52.000 If the government shut down Parlor, it would be illegal and you would get Parlor back.

00:16:58.000 But now you have massive multi-trillion dollar companies that are acting as if they are the government, that they are coming in as the centralized command structure to do what the government maybe wish they could do.

00:17:13.000 But this is part of the scary and dangerous reality of the new kind of corporatist environment that we're living in in our country, where these massive multi-trillion dollar companies headquartered in Menlo Park and Seattle have more institutional power than the NSA, than the Department of Justice.

00:17:36.000 Even if Congress passed a law to say that we don't like Parler and we don't want it to exist, it would get, unless you change the First Amendment, which would not exactly be popular, and it would take two-thirds of states to change the First Amendment, it would fall flat on its face.

00:17:51.000 But now the Democrats and the left realize that they are able to destroy and they are able to punish and bully and quite honestly make certain platforms disappear without an act of Congress, without government actually getting involved.

00:18:10.000 And for those of you that are saying, well, we just have to let the market play itself out.

00:18:14.000 Look, I'm a free market guy.

00:18:15.000 Nothing about this is free market.

00:18:18.000 When you have an incumbent institutional advantage, like Facebook does, like Google does, like Amazon does, and Apple does, on a weekend, you say that your speech policies are too lightly moderated.

00:18:30.000 Look, what I found to be so interesting, and I was on Steve Hilton's show last night talking about this, is that Apple came out and they said, well, you have to go change your speech policies.

00:18:40.000 Parlor is a startup company.

00:18:40.000 Hold on.

00:18:42.000 You guys are a multi-trillion dollar company.

00:18:45.000 Parlor is still trying to figure out their user interface.

00:18:48.000 And God bless them, but they still got a lot of work to do on their user interface, right?

00:18:53.000 And all of a sudden you're like, no, you have to go hire 100 people to go moderate speech.

00:18:57.000 It is so immoral and all today.

00:18:59.000 This segment is going to be one of the most important segments that I think I have done in recent memory.

00:19:06.000 The media is on a diabolical, pathological campaign to conflate two independent events into one, make everyone guilt by association, deplatform, investigate, bully, target, cancel, and destroy at all costs.

00:19:27.000 What happened last week is a lot more nuanced than how the media is covering it.

00:19:34.000 What happened is around 7 a.m., There was the beginning of the allowance for people to go participate in a constitutionally permitted rally with the President of the United States at the ellipse right near the White House.

00:19:54.000 Turning Point Action, our political vehicle, participated as a sponsor of this event.

00:19:59.000 We sent students to this event.

00:20:02.000 This is a constitutionally permitted event on voter integrity, on supporting the President of the United States for all that he's done for our country.

00:20:12.000 This event was the only event that many people came to visit.

00:20:19.000 This event is the only event that we at Turning Point Action promoted.

00:20:24.000 It is the only event that we plan to have our students attend.

00:20:28.000 About a 31-minute walk away, two miles, Isabel?

00:20:34.000 About two and a half, yep.

00:20:35.000 Two and a half miles away is the United States Capitol building.

00:20:41.000 Now, at the United States Capitol building, there were other non-sanctioned activities that happened and occurred.

00:20:50.000 Now, mind you, at the ellipse, there were hundreds of thousands of people that attended.

00:20:57.000 Hundreds of thousands.

00:21:01.000 Then at the Capitol building, there was about 10 or 15,000.

00:21:06.000 Let's just start with just pure numbers.

00:21:06.000 So hold on.

00:21:09.000 And let's just pretend everyone at the Capitol building did something wrong, which is also not a correct nuance as well.

00:21:14.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:21:16.000 But there were hundreds of thousands of people that did not get within one mile of the United States Capitol building last Wednesday.

00:21:25.000 They came to Washington, D.C., many of whom, on their own dime, came and supported the President of the United States.

00:21:33.000 These people were peaceful.

00:21:36.000 There has not been, to this moment of this broadcast, a single accusation of anything wrong that happened at the ellipse.

00:21:45.000 Nothing.

00:21:46.000 The ellipse was a normal event.

00:21:50.000 We've already gone into the incitement nonsense of that.

00:21:53.000 However, the ellipse was its own independent event.

00:21:59.000 The president called for people to peacefully go to the Capitol.

00:22:02.000 Guess what?

00:22:03.000 Hundreds of thousands of people didn't, including our students at Turning Point Action.

00:22:08.000 Our staff and our students, our staff deserves a tremendous amount of credit.

00:22:13.000 They said, you know what?

00:22:14.000 We're getting back on the buses and we're going home.

00:22:17.000 And they did, and we did.

00:22:19.000 However, the media is not happy or satisfied with that. 0.70

00:22:24.000 You see, they're trying to create this overarching, massive, reckless, sloppy, and dare I say, evil indictment that every single human being that was in the zip code of Washington, D.C., that supports President Trump, they're all terrorists.

00:22:42.000 That is so beyond reckless, it must be stopped and confronted directly.

00:22:48.000 Now, there are some people that came here that went to Washington, D.C. for the sole purpose of trying to go make shenanigans and cause trouble at the Capitol.

00:22:59.000 In fact, they didn't even stay for the entire president's speech.

00:23:02.000 Some people started to leave a little bit early.

00:23:06.000 This was not the hundreds of thousands of people that were there.

00:23:09.000 Now, don't take my word for it.

00:23:11.000 Look at this short clip from Vice News where they show that some people started to leave the Capitol early, started to leave the President's remarks early and go to the Capitol.

00:23:21.000 So before I play this tape, how could the President be responsible for incitement when the people at the front of the Capitol shenanigans weren't even there to hear what the president had to say?

00:23:32.000 Play tape.

00:23:34.000 Before Trump's speech was even finished, many were already making their way to the capital.

00:23:43.000 Pause it.

00:23:45.000 So I want to just pause it here, and we're going to play this again.

00:23:50.000 You see what happened right there with the barricades?

00:23:53.000 This is reckless journalism on behalf of Vice News.

00:23:56.000 It's good journalism, then reckless.

00:23:57.000 Right, people started to leave, and then all of a sudden they show the barricades.

00:24:00.000 The way that this event has been portrayed is as if the president spoke at the east end of the National Gallery of Art and pointed at the Capitol and told everyone to go.

00:24:11.000 When in reality, some groups, like ours at Turning Point Action, wanted nothing to do with the Capitol.

00:24:21.000 And there were many other groups that were alongside us.

00:24:23.000 We said, we're not going to get near the Capitol.

00:24:25.000 We're here to support the president independently.

00:24:29.000 And how far is that, Isabel?

00:24:31.000 So the walk from, depending on where you start at the ellipse all the way up to Capitol Hill, where people were demonstrating, is a little over two miles.

00:24:38.000 To suggest that people two miles apart are somehow all connected in some plot of insurrection to violently overthrow the government is beyond the paleocrat.

00:24:48.000 So it's evil.

00:24:49.000 That's exactly like saying.

00:24:50.000 I don't use that word evil.

00:24:51.000 It is.

00:24:52.000 I mean, it is, though, evil.

00:24:53.000 It's exactly like saying people at the Empire State Building and people at the One World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan are all connected in some plot to do something nefarious.

00:25:01.000 And so that's exactly right.

00:25:03.000 And so you have a two-mile distance, and Vice even admitted, I'm going to play the entire Vice clip in a second, but I wanted to stop it because all of a sudden, Vice did a little bit of a trick.

00:25:12.000 So they said people started to leave, and then all of a sudden they show these barricades.

00:25:16.000 So the impression that you get is as if the barricades are just right down the street.

00:25:21.000 I mean, that's a hike.

00:25:22.000 I mean, that's a long walk.

00:25:25.000 And I'm not doubting that some people went to the president's speech and then went to the Capitol.

00:25:29.000 Look at that picture of the crowd.

00:25:31.000 Okay, nowhere near that many people went to the U.S. Capitol building.

00:25:35.000 A lot of people were up very early, including Pastor Rick Brown, who is on our live stream, and said, I don't want to deal with this.

00:25:43.000 I'm not getting near it.

00:25:44.000 In fact, Pastor Rick Brown, who was on our live stream, walked through the National Mall and started to hear big shouts.

00:25:51.000 And he just kind of was like, I'm not going to the Capitol.

00:25:53.000 I'm walking away.

00:25:54.000 Are you going to indict Pastor Rick Brown into all of this?

00:25:58.000 A man who traveled across the country to go support his president and voter integrity and made the good decision not to go?

00:26:04.000 Of course not.

00:26:05.000 Instead, the activist media is just focusing on, they want to create this incredibly sloppy, reckless narrative that it's all looped in together.

00:26:16.000 So now let's get into this even further, okay?

00:26:19.000 And so I want to play this entire Vice clip.

00:26:22.000 This clip, in my opinion, has some very good footage in it right up front of what started to happen.

00:26:29.000 And so, however, you're talking about a couple dozen people that should be arrested, whether they were agitators, whether they were Antifa, whether they were far-right, you know, National Socialist worker supporters, okay?

00:26:44.000 I have no tolerance.

00:26:46.000 I have no tolerance for political violence, okay?

00:26:46.000 I've talked about this before.

00:26:49.000 And so, but you look at the enormity of the people that were in Washington, D.C., and you all of a sudden label all of them as this.

00:26:58.000 That is so dangerous.

00:26:59.000 Okay, let's play the entire tape.

00:27:01.000 And listen carefully.

00:27:02.000 The Vice reporter says himself that some people started to leave early.

00:27:08.000 Some people were not there for the president.

00:27:10.000 Some people were there looking for trouble.

00:27:11.000 Play tape.

00:27:13.000 Before Trump's speech was even finished, many were already making their way to the capital.

00:27:24.000 And as more protesters arrived, the mood darkened.

00:27:29.000 And so we play the rest of the clips here, but all of a sudden you kind of see, I just want you to understand the cut of the clip.

00:27:36.000 This is two miles away, okay?

00:27:38.000 So this journalist goes from the National Mall to the Capitol.

00:27:42.000 Now, interestingly, this journalist was ahead of the curve.

00:27:45.000 You know, maybe he had a sneaking suspicion that something was going to happen there.

00:27:49.000 But this is the really important part point here, which is that there is understandable outrage out there for people to be held accountable.

00:27:58.000 However, the rush to not just judgment, but the rush to try and punish people is against the Western tradition of how we do law in this country.

00:28:16.000 And so the peaceful assembly with President Donald Trump right on the ellipse, most of those people went home afterwards.

00:28:24.000 Now, let's go to the even bigger point of nuance.

00:28:27.000 All the people that then went to the Capitol, okay?

00:28:29.000 Now, we sent our students home on our buses and they left.

00:28:34.000 However, some people went to the United States Capitol and just decided to kind of sit there and watch and look and wave flags.

00:28:43.000 Perfectly permissible with First Amendment rights.

00:28:46.000 Now, a lesson that my parents taught me early on is as soon as you see trouble, go the other way.

00:28:51.000 I do not think it was good judgment for people that started to see things happen and they're all this and they rush to the...

00:28:59.000 Now, that's just, here's a good rule of life.

00:29:02.000 You start to see trouble, just go the other way, okay?

00:29:05.000 Unless you feel as if your independent action can save an innocent person, okay?

00:29:11.000 That's one nuance I'll say.

00:29:12.000 If you see someone getting beaten up in a subway or something, then you could do something.

00:29:16.000 But all of a sudden, if you start to see mass trouble, just go the other way.

00:29:21.000 As, you know, very wise people say nothing good happens after 2 a.m., right?

00:29:24.000 Or happens after midnight.

00:29:26.000 And nothing really good happens as soon as tear gas starts getting spread on the U.S. Capitol, right?

00:29:30.000 And so is that a crime?

00:29:32.000 Is it bad judgment?

00:29:32.000 No, it's not.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, it's bad judgment.

00:29:34.000 Okay.

00:29:35.000 It's bad judgment all of a sudden to climb the Capitol steps and walk in the rotunda.

00:29:39.000 And it's just, it's not wise.

00:29:42.000 Okay?

00:29:42.000 However, not wise does not mean you're an insurrectionist, okay?

00:29:47.000 Let me be very clear. 0.99

00:29:49.000 Just because you do something stupid does not mean you're Timothy McVay. 0.98

00:29:55.000 Just because you do something that is regrettable does not mean that you're planning an armed insurrection against the United States government. 0.99

00:30:03.000 Now, the guy that had the zip ties, I hope he goes to jail.

00:30:06.000 That's just weird, creepy, wrong, evil, okay?

00:30:09.000 The guys that were assaulting police officers, jail.

00:30:13.000 But the guys that were just kind of there waving flags and they're walking up the steps, and I'm sure that they regret it.

00:30:21.000 I'm sure that a lot of them have said that.

00:30:23.000 In fact, in a lot of these arrests, a lot of these people say this was the worst decision of my entire life.

00:30:28.000 That doesn't exactly talk like a domestic terrorist trying to overthrow the government, okay? 0.92

00:30:32.000 That talks like someone that got excited in the heat of the moment that did something dumb. 0.93

00:30:36.000 Now, they should be held accountable.

00:30:38.000 However, let's say that, Isabel, there were probably 15 or 20,000 people at the Capitol, right?

00:30:43.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 More or less.

00:30:44.000 So all of a sudden, we went from hundreds of thousands to 15 or 20,000.

00:30:47.000 So we're dealing with an independent 10% body of who is there in Washington, D.C.

00:30:52.000 The media makes it seem as if every person raised their right hand and said, I will storm the Capitol today, never giving the credit, the nuance, or the factual context to say, you know what, I actually don't want to go do that.

00:31:08.000 You know what?

00:31:08.000 I'm here to support my president.

00:31:10.000 I'm going to go home.

00:31:11.000 Now, not everyone at the Capitol acted in the same fashion.

00:31:19.000 So this is a picture of the peaceful event that no one has any trouble with except what the president said.

00:31:24.000 We've already been through that.

00:31:25.000 I don't even want to focus on that.

00:31:26.000 Okay, because incitement is just such a loose term of in the legal world, most of it's protected under free speech, and everyone is basically and almost always responsible for their own actions, okay?

00:31:39.000 You can't say, well, he meant this, that's not going to stand up in a court of law, okay?

00:31:43.000 And so, but you look at this picture, I'm sorry, one more time, and that's right near the Washington Monument.

00:31:49.000 That's the most important part of the picture, believe it or not.

00:31:51.000 The crowd's important.

00:31:52.000 The Washington Monument is two miles from the United States Capitol.

00:31:55.000 Thank you guys.

00:31:56.000 You look at a picture.

00:31:57.000 Can we get a picture of all the people on the Capitol?

00:32:00.000 At the very most, estimates range of 10,000 people that were in the Capitol area and 2,000 people that were on the Capitol.

00:32:08.000 Okay, so you go from a rally that has 250 to 300,000 people to 15,000 people surrounding the Capitol to 2,000 people that stormed the Capitol.

00:32:17.000 So all of a sudden, whoa, you have everyone that goes to the Trump rally, then all of a sudden people maybe started to walk over and like, something doesn't feel right about this.

00:32:25.000 Do they get any credit from the media?

00:32:28.000 Do they get any credit from anyone that maybe there was hundreds of thousands of people that were like, I don't know if I want to go to the Capitol?

00:32:35.000 Okay, you can make a bad decision.

00:32:39.000 That doesn't mean you broke the law.

00:32:40.000 Okay.

00:32:41.000 So there were people that were right on the verge of the U.S. Capitol, right near the Ulysses S. Grant Memorial.

00:32:48.000 For those of you that know the Capitol, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:32:51.000 There's Union Square, and then there's East Seton Park.

00:32:55.000 It's like the Washington Mall feeds right into it.

00:32:56.000 It's gorgeous if you've ever seen it.

00:32:59.000 And there's the U.S. Botanical Garden on the south.

00:33:01.000 You've been there before, right, Isabel?

00:33:02.000 Many, many times.

00:33:04.000 And so you went to school in Georgetown.

00:33:06.000 I did.

00:33:06.000 I went to Georgetown University last year.

00:33:08.000 And so if you know the architecture, yeah, let's show that picture on the live stream, please, Connor.

00:33:13.000 So look, that is not 200,000 people.

00:33:17.000 Now, I'm willing to say that's not everyone that was there.

00:33:20.000 That's not an exhaustive picture.

00:33:22.000 But that's just the people in the Capitol steps.

00:33:24.000 That's not everyone who went into the Capitol Rotunda.

00:33:27.000 Now, in the Capitol Rotunda, there's an estimate of about 300 to 400 people that went into there.

00:33:33.000 Again, if I have to say this again, I'm going to get exhausted, but I'm going to say it again.

00:33:37.000 I don't justify, I think I've made my position very clear on exactly what happened here.

00:33:43.000 However, all of a sudden, this group indictment of all of this is so reckless and so wrong.

00:33:50.000 So now you have here, what is that?

00:33:54.000 How many of you did you say?

00:33:55.000 Isabel?

00:33:56.000 I would say at max, a few thousand people right there on the steps.

00:34:00.000 I mean, obviously, the picture is only so wide, and the Capitol building is huge if you've never been to Washington, D.C., but that can't be more than a few thousand people.

00:34:08.000 A few thousand people.

00:34:10.000 And so, and then on top of that, a couple hundred go into the building, okay?

00:34:14.000 And so a lot of people, such as our organization, Turning Point Action, we were there simply for the president's speech.

00:34:22.000 Other people were there for something at the Capitol.

00:34:24.000 There was supposed to be an event where some members of Congress spoke at the Capitol, which is perfectly constitutionally permitted, by the way.

00:34:31.000 We just weren't there for that.

00:34:33.000 And we thought, you know what, let's just stay focused on the president.

00:34:36.000 That was our position.

00:34:37.000 And we got our students transported out as soon as the president was done.

00:34:41.000 However, let's look at the timeline.

00:34:43.000 45-minute speech?

00:34:44.000 The 45-minute walk.

00:34:44.000 About 20 minutes.

00:34:45.000 I'm sorry.

00:34:46.000 48-minute walk, depending on where you start in the ellipse to where you end up at that point.

00:34:50.000 Getting out of a president's event.

00:34:51.000 With a few hundred thousand people.

00:34:54.000 Slow moving exercise, right?

00:34:55.000 Slow moving.

00:34:56.000 So what time did the nonsense start at the Capitol Hill?

00:35:00.000 I think 1.53.

00:35:01.000 Is that right, Connor?

00:35:02.000 More or less.

00:35:03.000 So the president ends at 1.15.

00:35:06.000 You have a 45-minute walk.

00:35:08.000 You're talking at most a couple dozen people that would have sprinted, sprinted like a United States Olympic triathlete, two miles, 40 degrees outside, Running to the Capitol.

00:35:26.000 And then you have to make the accusation that they were the ones that were breaking the windows.

00:35:31.000 Vice admits that there were some people that were already at the Capitol before the president even started speaking.

00:35:37.000 There were some people that were there for the Capitol.

00:35:40.000 So, really, what that goes to show is how many people actually went from the ellipse to the Capitol.

00:35:44.000 I'm sure that there were, I'm sure there were some.

00:35:46.000 I'm sure there was.

00:35:47.000 But all of a sudden, there's no nuance in the way that the media has covered this.

00:35:52.000 And here's what I'm trying to say.

00:35:53.000 Here's how I'm going to complete the point.

00:35:55.000 Two events, two.

00:35:58.000 One that should be celebrated for a wonderful expression of free speech.

00:36:04.000 Another that has been repudiated by me, by Isabel, and every decent person out there.

00:36:11.000 And then there's a third nuance to that, which we've talked about.

00:36:14.000 We'll build out in the next hour, which is not even everyone at that Capitol participated in that.

00:36:19.000 So this is a bill that has been introduced asking Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment.

00:36:19.000 Got it.

00:36:25.000 This is happening in real-time play tape.

00:36:27.000 House Resolution 21, resolution calling on Vice President Michael R. Pence to convene and mobilize the principal officers of the executive departments of the cabinet to activate Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to declare President Donald J. Trump incapable of executing the duties of his office and to immediately exercise powers as acting president.

00:36:51.000 For what purpose does the gentleman from West Virginia rise?

00:36:55.000 Objection is heard.

00:36:55.000 I object.

00:36:56.000 Objection is heard.

00:36:58.000 So an objection means that now it has to go to an entire House vote.

00:37:01.000 Right.

00:37:02.000 Patricia has emailed us, freedom at charliekirk.com, and Patricia has made my point.

00:37:07.000 Patricia, who seems like a very peaceful American patriot, said this.

00:37:13.000 I was there January the 6th.

00:37:15.000 We walked from the ellipse to the Capitol.

00:37:17.000 The crowd was amazingly peaceful, friendly, generally patriot supporting Trump.

00:37:23.000 Left the Capitol right before 2 p.m. and just before the altercation.

00:37:27.000 We were almost back to the ellipse when we heard the sirens and police headed to the Capitol.

00:37:32.000 We are talking about a very small group of people to the tens of thousands who were there at the Capitol.

00:37:37.000 The president or any of the speakers did not incite violence.

00:37:40.000 That's straight from the front lines.

00:37:41.000 And so let's get back to the nuance that is so sorely missing.

00:37:45.000 Representative Crowe, who is a Democrat from Colorado, you know him.

00:37:50.000 I sure do.

00:37:52.000 Said that, quote, we are witnessing the birth of a domestic terrorist movement.

00:37:55.000 No, we're not.

00:37:56.000 This is a lie.

00:37:58.000 And we have to, we have to, this is such an important thing, everybody.

00:38:02.000 I'm telling you right now, we got to get the truth out, or else they're going to use this as an excuse to pass wide-sweeping legislation that will spy on you, that will monitor you.

00:38:13.000 And this is what Glenn Greenwald warred about on Tucker Carlson last week.

00:38:17.000 Let's see if we can get some tape from that.

00:38:19.000 Our team's getting some other eclipse right now.

00:38:22.000 But it's so important that we clarify this.

00:38:25.000 I have denounced what happened last week.

00:38:27.000 I have to say this every segment, or else people have amnesia.

00:38:31.000 However, to say that this is the birth of a domestic terrorist movement is nonsensical.

00:38:35.000 Okay.

00:38:37.000 Hundreds of thousands of people at the ellipse.

00:38:40.000 They march to the Capitol.

00:38:42.000 Some do.

00:38:44.000 And Isabel, can you help build that out?

00:38:46.000 Yeah, so we saw a very small percentage of the total number of people that were there at the ellipse to hear from President Trump march to the Capitol building.

00:38:54.000 Estimates of the number of people that were in the region of the U.S. Capitol building were about a few tens of thousands, maximum about 20,000 people.

00:39:02.000 And then the number of people that actually stood on the steps, maybe a few thousand, with a few hundred of those individuals actually entering the United States Capitol building.

00:39:11.000 Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people are still scattered throughout Washington, D.C., most of whom are about two and a half miles away at the Ellipse, which is a park run by the National Park Service right in front of the White House to hear from President Trump.

00:39:24.000 To suggest that President Trump, who told people if they were going to Capitol Hill to peacefully and patriotically show their support for this president and for our country, not once using any sort of violence inciting language in that speech, and the 300,000 people in attendance to hear this individual speak, our president of the United States, are somehow directly responsible for what's happening two and a half miles away at roughly the same time as the speech was concluding, to me is intellectual sloth.

00:39:54.000 It's painting this blanket picture of anyone in Washington, D.C. with a red hat.

00:39:58.000 And beyond that, as now we're seeing with some of this big tech suppression of what was happening last week, anyone who's ever worn a red MAGA hat in this country or tweeted anything in support of our president as being directly responsible for what happened on the steps of the Capitol.

00:40:12.000 Let's go to cut 17.

00:40:13.000 Are we loading that right now?

00:40:14.000 The president said, those who engaged in violence, these people do not represent our country.

00:40:19.000 Let's play tape.

00:40:21.000 The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.

00:40:27.000 To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country.

00:40:34.000 And to those who broke the law, you will pay.

00:40:38.000 We have just been through an intense election and emotions are high.

00:40:42.000 But now tempers must be cooled.

00:40:45.000 And now tempers must be cooled.

00:40:48.000 The president is right on that.

00:40:49.000 However, I will say that calling half the country domestic terrorists is not a good way to get the tempers cooled.

00:40:57.000 So you have hundreds of thousands of people at the ellipse.

00:41:00.000 Tens of thousands walk to the Capitol.

00:41:02.000 And again, once the shenanigans started and the nonsense started at 2 p.m., I know a lot of people left.

00:41:09.000 The people that started to run in, again, that's not necessarily against the law.

00:41:13.000 Probably not good judgment, right?

00:41:15.000 And so what we do know, though, is that a lot of people have been calling for massive investigations into this and almost the increase of the surveillance state.

00:41:28.000 Let's go here to cut 14.

00:41:34.000 Joe Scarborough.

00:41:39.000 You know, Ed Luce, you know your history much better than I do, but during the rise of Hitler, you had - yeah, by the way, we can draw the analogies.

00:41:53.000 As far as we can talk about this being 1933, we can do that.

00:42:01.000 Talk about being 1933.

00:42:04.000 How about let's talk about this being 1984?

00:42:04.000 I don't know.

00:42:07.000 Because that's much more resemblant to the state of affairs that we're living in right now in the United States of America.

00:42:13.000 This narrative is so important, though, because to me, it resembles the same pattern of behavior we've seen from congressional Democrats in the media since the day this president took office.

00:42:22.000 It's always been the extreme hyperbole of somehow this authoritarian president, which by the way doesn't align whatsoever with President Trump's agenda in office or the conservative movement, trying to make sure that we're all falling into line in lockstep with whatever this president wants to do.

00:42:38.000 That's so far beyond the pale.

00:42:40.000 It doesn't resemble at all any of the things that this president has done in the last four years and just follows this same pattern of accusatory behavior from the left saying, oh, you colluded with Russia, proven wrong.

00:42:52.000 You're having an illegal phone call with Ukraine, proven wrong.

00:42:55.000 You're stealing mailboxes, proven wrong. 0.72

00:42:57.000 Now you're causing insurrection at the United States Capitol.

00:43:01.000 Obviously, we know that not to be true, but I don't expect anything different from the left when it comes to that accusation.

00:43:06.000 That's right.

00:43:06.000 And this is not a small thing for us to push back against, because again, this is going to be used as massive justification to really increase the security state and to try to restrict speech in our country.

00:43:18.000 And so this is something that I think, you know, we are kind of like not fighting back against enough this, right?

00:43:27.000 Against this.

00:43:28.000 Absolutely.

00:43:29.000 And really this kind of narrative that's there.

00:43:31.000 Okay, let's go to a little bit of a flashback.

00:43:33.000 Let's go to cut six.

00:43:36.000 And let's not forget, if anyone is judging this, I'm not judging this.

00:43:40.000 I'm just wondering what is going on because we were supposed to figure out this experiment a long time ago.

00:43:47.000 Our country was started because this is how the Boston Tea Party rioting.

00:43:57.000 So don't do not get it twisted and think that, oh, this is something that has never happened before.

00:44:03.000 And then this is so terrible.

00:44:04.000 And where are we?

00:44:05.000 And these savages and all of that.

00:44:06.000 This is how this country was started.

00:44:09.000 Oh, okay.

00:44:10.000 So this is how our country was started.

00:44:12.000 So now Don Laman, as Tucker Carlson calls him, he calls him Don Laman, thinks that's okay.

00:44:18.000 But what happened on the Capitol is, you know, CNN ran an entire hour calling it the Trump insurrection yesterday.

00:44:25.000 We want to get to some sound here.

00:44:27.000 I want to get to, I think we're still downloading it.

00:44:29.000 Do we have Glenn Greenwald?

00:44:31.000 We're still working on that.

00:44:32.000 But breaking right now, Antifa is marching through the streets of Manhattan with shields demanding that Trump and Pence leave the White House now.

00:44:41.000 Do we have tape of that?

00:44:42.000 Cut 24, we're still waiting for that too.

00:44:44.000 Okay.

00:44:45.000 So, but we have a set of circumstances here where the president does not have access to his Twitter account and the Democrats, well, it's completely eliminated.

00:44:56.000 Facebook, Spotify is now gone.

00:44:58.000 TikTok, they banned him from TikTok.

00:44:59.000 TikTok, even though I doubt he had a profile there on the TikTok app, but he can't now, regardless.

00:45:05.000 I don't think so.

00:45:06.000 But German Chancellor Angela Merkel blasted Twitter's decision to ban U.S. President Donald Trump.

00:45:13.000 This is from Glenn Greenwald's Twitter feed.

00:45:16.000 It says here that what makes Merkel's comments particularly striking, apart from her well-reported acrimony with Trump, is that Europe generally and Germany specifically have far less permissive free speech traditions than the U.S. Yet even Merkel finds this alarming.

00:45:33.000 Amazingly, so does the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union, which is pretty notoriously a leftist organization these days.

00:45:41.000 But I'm glad to see that they're standing to their principles of free speech for everyone.

00:45:45.000 They had a spokesperson say, we understand the desire to permanently suspend him now.

00:45:49.000 Take that with a grain of salt.

00:45:51.000 But it should concern everyone when companies like Facebook and Twitter wield the unchecked power to remove people from platforms that have become indispensable for the speech of billions, especially when political realities make those decisions easier.

00:46:05.000 I don't think I could have worded that better myself.

00:46:07.000 These platforms really are indispensable.

00:46:07.000 It's true.

00:46:09.000 So the Russians are bashing Twitter for their decision.

00:46:11.000 The Germans are bashing Twitter for their decision. 0.66

00:46:14.000 In a strange turn of events, the former countries that embrace totalitarianism are telling America, cut it out. 0.72

00:46:23.000 Let's play this cut here.

00:46:25.000 Let's play cut.

00:46:26.000 Do we have Glenn Greenwald?

00:46:27.000 Glenn Greenwald is a liberal.

00:46:29.000 I agree with him on very little politically, but he has been phenomenal on platform access.

00:46:35.000 He's been great on freedom of speech and also journalistic integrity, of which there is very little anymore.

00:46:39.000 Play tape.

00:46:41.000 Well, one thing I think that we're clearly seeing is the initiation of a new war on terror, which I don't say lightly.

00:46:47.000 I say that because the Biden administration, what will be the Biden administration in about a week, is saying explicitly that they want, first of all, a new law to further criminalize domestic terrorism, even though every act that constitutes domestic terrorism is already criminalized.

00:47:06.000 What they want to do is increase their power to monitor political groups, to infiltrate them, to criminalize activities that currently are not criminalized, nor should they be, whether it be advocacy of speech or other things.

00:47:19.000 They're saying they want a new law, similar to the way that the 9-11 attack and the emotions surrounding it was instantly seized upon to institute a whole series of new laws that endure to this very day.

00:47:32.000 And so, Glenn Greenwald is spot on here by saying that all of the domestic terrorism laws are already on the books.

00:47:39.000 What they want is they want to criminalize being a Trump supporter.

00:47:44.000 They want to make it illegal to support President Trump.

00:47:48.000 And, you know, this is another thing that I think we have to understand: that no one here supports domestic terrorism.

00:47:57.000 But very few people that were in Washington, D.C. that were Trump supporters, supported any form of what happened on the Capitol there.

00:48:05.000 And even the people that were on the Capitol.

00:48:06.000 And so, to all of a sudden, act as if we need a new set of laws because of some of the activities that happen through groups that, by the way, have already been profiled as far-right white identitarian groups, as agitator and instigator groups, then that is in every single way a total disgrace.

00:48:26.000 Do we have COP 26 of Representative Crow?

00:48:29.000 Let's play CUT 26.

00:48:31.000 You know, what we have seen is the birth of a domestic terrorist movement.

00:48:36.000 This is not going away.

00:48:38.000 Donald Trump has radicalized his most fringe supporters.

00:48:44.000 And so, you know, you know him far too well from Colorado.

00:48:47.000 I sure do.

00:48:48.000 But they, look, the left always needs a problem to justify the increase of their own power.

00:48:57.000 And so by saying it's never going to go away, well, that is fear-mongering, okay?

00:49:02.000 But be very specific about what do you mean is not going away?

00:49:05.000 Do you mean that there will always be professional agitators and white identitarians that are going to try to hijack movements?

00:49:12.000 How many times do we had to hear from the media that Joe Biden is not represented by Antifa?

00:49:17.000 Antifa claims Joe Biden, but Joe Biden does not claim Antifa.

00:49:21.000 And to be very consistent here, why is it that BLM Incorporated was trying to breach the walls of the White House, which we'll get some clips on in just a second, when they were trying to breach the walls of the White House over the summer, they were never called insurrectionists and they were never called terrorists.

00:49:39.000 But the consequences of how we describe this, how we talk about this, will be so incredibly consequential.

00:49:46.000 Do you know there's already 52 domestic terrorism laws on the books?

00:49:51.000 What's another one going to do except maybe go outside of the bounds and attack Trump supporters and conservatives?

00:49:58.000 I think that we can all agree that attacks against government buildings is something we don't support.

00:50:03.000 Let's play some tape of that.

00:50:06.000 Here, look at that.

00:50:08.000 That is a fire right there outside of the White House.

00:50:14.000 That is the White House of the President of the United States.

00:50:17.000 And 67, see, wow, look at all that tear gas just feet away from the symbol of American democracy.

00:50:25.000 Burning, fire.

00:50:26.000 No, that's just mostly peaceful protesters.

00:50:29.000 This was called heroic and wonderful, not to mention the church that they nearly burned down right across the street.

00:50:37.000 And so, Because of what happened last week, the left is on a pathological campaign of destruction right now.

00:50:47.000 That's all they know how to do.

00:50:49.000 The left does not know how to build up new things.

00:50:51.000 They do not know how to create new institutions.

00:50:54.000 So they are trying, they have a new thing.

00:50:55.000 They're no flylist.

00:50:56.000 They're trying to get it to be that no one can ever fly on an airplane before.

00:51:01.000 And this was kind of at its crescendo point, at least up until recently.

00:51:05.000 Hopefully it doesn't get beyond this, when all the tech companies colluded together to ban President Trump.

00:51:10.000 Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook have made the decision to ban President Trump.

00:51:15.000 However, they have lost a very brilliant mind in the American Zeitgeist.

00:51:20.000 Emily Rotajowski, I can never pronounce her name.

00:51:23.000 Radha Judikowski?

00:51:26.000 Emily, the woman who's known for not wearing a lot of clothes, right? 1.00

00:51:31.000 Yeah, that's a fair thing. 1.00

00:51:31.000 Is that good? 1.00

00:51:32.000 That's right. 0.93

00:51:33.000 That's what she's most known for.

00:51:35.000 She actually had Rada Jokowski, right?

00:51:39.000 Radha Jakowski.

00:51:40.000 I'll take it.

00:51:41.000 All right.

00:51:41.000 She had a stroke of brilliance.

00:51:43.000 And by the way, she's not exactly someone I usually would go to for processing news and current events.

00:51:50.000 She said this.

00:51:51.000 She said, this gives Facebook slash tech slash Zuck the most power.

00:51:56.000 If he can shut the president up, at least she mentions he's the president, up off, he can shut any of us up or off, the pregnant star tweeted on Thursday.

00:52:04.000 My concern is that this gives big tech the opportunity to shut down left extremists who are important political organizers. 1.00

00:52:12.000 And she got ratioed big time. 1.00

00:52:15.000 The Twitter mob did not like the fact that Emily Rata Jaukowski, is that right? 1.00

00:52:22.000 Radha Jakowski?

00:52:23.000 I don't think I've ever said that name before.

00:52:27.000 They don't like the fact that she is speaking truth.

00:52:30.000 And so if you lost Emily Radajakowski, you got problems, folks.

00:52:34.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:52:38.000 People are asking us about whether President Trump has signed the Insurrection Act.

00:52:43.000 I see no evidence of that whatsoever, and no one I've talked to has implied that.

00:52:48.000 And so just want to kind of let you know that that is not something that we have seen or that we've seen any evidence or basis for.

00:52:56.000 Other questions here, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:52:59.000 I want to get actually to this clip here.

00:53:02.000 We have the fire burning.

00:53:04.000 We played Glenn Greenwald.

00:53:06.000 And so the biggest kind of takeaway from what we've been talking about here is the conflation, right?

00:53:11.000 Is that every single person that was in Washington, D.C. is somehow conflated with the thugs that were attacking police officers.

00:53:18.000 And let me say it in very clear and simple terms. 0.83

00:53:20.000 If you attack a police officer and you're a BLM incorporated person, I call you a thug. 0.98

00:53:25.000 If you attack a police officer and you're wearing a hat of a political candidate that I support, you're also a thug. 1.00

00:53:31.000 I don't really think that is a hard thing to be able to build out.

00:53:35.000 However, if you just went to the United States Capitol and watched from afar, that is a huge difference than the people that were miles and the people that were actually in the building and the rotunda.

00:53:46.000 So there's like four kind of categories here.

00:53:48.000 Did you go to the ellipse?

00:53:49.000 Nothing wrong with that.

00:53:50.000 Did you go to the Capitol?

00:53:52.000 Nothing necessarily wrong with that.

00:53:53.000 Did you go on the Capitol steps?

00:53:55.000 Unwise, maybe something wrong with that.

00:53:57.000 Hard to enforce.

00:53:59.000 Did you go into the Capitol?

00:54:01.000 Probably something wrong with that. 0.99

00:54:02.000 But still, if you just walk to the rotunda and then you walked back in, foolish, probably illegal, you're going to get arrested. 0.98

00:54:09.000 You're not necessarily a domestic terrorist.

00:54:11.000 Now, if you went from the ellipse to the Capitol, into the Capitol, and you have zip ties, and all of a sudden you're kind of caravening down this, like that one guy who looks like he's doing some form of a Tom Clancy intervention.

00:54:25.000 I don't know who he thinks he is.

00:54:27.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:54:28.000 That picture where the guy is like hanging on.

00:54:30.000 I was like, no, okay.

00:54:33.000 Then, yeah, you should be arrested and you should be held accountable.

00:54:36.000 However, there were tens of thousands of people, tens of thousands of people that went to the Capitol and did nothing, right, Isabel?

00:54:47.000 And they did absolutely nothing wrong.

00:54:47.000 Absolutely.

00:54:50.000 They have nothing to be punished for.

00:54:52.000 And yet somehow they're being conflated with these very few radical individuals.

00:54:57.000 And now all of a sudden, conservative equals radical.

00:54:59.000 Conservative equals no fly list.

00:55:01.000 And you can't have social media and you can't have guns anymore, says our friend David Hogg.

00:55:06.000 And, you know, the list could go on and on.

00:55:07.000 We have no rights anymore.

00:55:08.000 And we just have to say that.

00:55:09.000 And the train keeps going.

00:55:10.000 And the implication is this, is that the left really doesn't want us in what they call their country.

00:55:15.000 I mean, we know that.

00:55:17.000 They're making it abundantly clear.

00:55:18.000 So they're using every opportunity to misrepresent us. 0.76

00:55:21.000 Even those of us that made the conscious decision to not get near the Capitol, they're like, you're still awful because you were breathing the same air, and therefore you're both awful and you wear the same hat and I hate you and go away, right? 0.55

00:55:32.000 So it is.

00:55:33.000 They're also preaching unity, by the way.

00:55:35.000 Exactly.

00:55:35.000 That's their inaugural.

00:55:37.000 That's the theme of this year's inauguration is hashtag American Unity.

00:55:41.000 American unity.

00:55:42.000 And so they're, but some people were calling for extra support, weren't they?

00:55:47.000 We're hearing just now from our team that the Capitol police chief there at the Capitol building sought the D.C. National Guard's help before the riots even started, knowing that they could be facing some sort of a problem there on Capitol Hill.

00:55:47.000 Yes.

00:56:00.000 But allegedly, it was denied by their supervisors, by the politicians there in Washington, D.C.

00:56:04.000 And so here's a very interesting thing.

00:56:08.000 PragerU, great organization.

00:56:10.000 Isabel did some great work with them and continues to.

00:56:14.000 Dennis Prager, who's also on the Salem Radio Network, Isabel, do you remember the analogy that he used to use when he said, if I walked onto an airplane with the Wall Street Journal and you kicked me off the airplane, we would consider that to be absurd.

00:56:26.000 Do you remember him talking about that?

00:56:27.000 I do, yeah.

00:56:28.000 And we were like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's terrible.

00:56:29.000 Like, if you walked onto an airplane with the Wall Street Journal or with, you know, a Trump book and they kicked you off, we'd be like, that would be a bridge too far.

00:56:38.000 Well, women have been kicked off planes now for just talking about Donald Trump. 0.73

00:56:43.000 Right. 1.00

00:56:46.000 They are going to restrict banking access.

00:56:49.000 They're going to restrict phone access.

00:56:51.000 And at some point, you just have to ask them, like, do you want us in your country?

00:56:55.000 Like, how far are you willing to take this?

00:56:58.000 And what exactly are we, what exactly are, how are we supposed to exist in this country if you can't have access to social media, can't communicate, you can't have access to transportation, and they're already restricting, they're already talking about restricting PayPal and processing access.

00:57:13.000 So you can't start a business.

00:57:15.000 And so a very, like, very simple question is, how are we supposed to actually live in the same country together?

00:57:25.000 Because you are, and the media is doing this.

00:57:28.000 The media has been so sloppy and so reckless.

00:57:30.000 And they are the ones that are going to incite further problems in this country by looping everybody into this.

00:57:36.000 And I mean, they're trying to go after yours truly right now because we sponsored buses of students to go to a First Amendment rally that was miles away and hours before, hours after our students were even there.

00:57:51.000 However, in the rage, right, the madness of the crowds, as Douglas Murray would say, no, you're in the same zip code.

00:57:58.000 You're an enabler. 0.99

00:57:59.000 You're a terrible person. 0.96

00:58:00.000 And really what this goes to show is the left, and it really saddens me to say this, they find they have no reservations whatsoever to say that we don't want to live in the same country as you. 0.98

00:58:15.000 Well, they're trying to create an America that's not America anymore.

00:58:18.000 And to quote the great Dennis Prager once more, you can't love something that you want to change.

00:58:23.000 The left loves to say, America's great, it's the greatest country in the world.

00:58:26.000 It scores them a lot of political points on the campaign trail.

00:58:29.000 But then, as soon as they're elected into Congress, as soon as they're elected into the White House, they want to fundamentally change everything about our society.

00:58:36.000 Banning people from tech companies and from PayPal and from airplanes that just happen to disagree with you and vote a different way is not the United States of America.

00:58:45.000 And I think eventually we're going to come to a point here in the next few months where we have to legitimately ask ourselves, is this America that you want to live in or is this something completely different in its entirety?

00:58:55.000 Yeah, a lot of people are saying no.

00:58:56.000 And so now what we have seen, and the tech side is now just the latest frontier of this.

00:59:00.000 I want to get to some sound here of this.

00:59:02.000 It's kind of this new kind of silicon curtain.

00:59:05.000 You know, kind of how there was the Iron Curtain.

00:59:07.000 Now we have the silicon curtain that has been created where you are not allowed to actually use the platforms if you do not espouse all of their views.

00:59:18.000 So let's go to cut five.

00:59:19.000 Why did Nicole Hannah-Jones, the founder of the 1619 project, why didn't she lose her Twitter account when she justified destruction and terrorism? 0.99

00:59:28.000 Play cut five.

00:59:30.000 Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence.

00:59:34.000 And to put those things, to use the exact same language to describe those two things, I think really moral to do that.

00:59:46.000 So she says very clearly, destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence.

00:59:51.000 Justifying violence.

00:59:52.000 She never lost access to Shopify.

00:59:55.000 She never lost corporate donations.

00:59:57.000 In fact, corporate donations increased to BLM Incorporated and to the 1619 project.

01:00:03.000 And so let's go to another one here where we're saying Don Lemon, of course, was justifying violence.

01:00:13.000 He still said that, of course, you can keep the violence over the summer, that he can keep his Twitter account.

01:00:21.000 So the point is this: if you routinely incite violence and you're in the media, you get promoted and you get rewarded for that.

01:00:28.000 But the president gives a speech about voter integrity and his supporters come peacefully.

01:00:33.000 And let me say this again.

01:00:34.000 I know tens of thousands of people personally.

01:00:37.000 I don't know tens of thousands of personally.

01:00:39.000 I know thousands of people personally and tens of thousands of people that have contacted us.

01:00:42.000 That's a better way to say.

01:00:43.000 Tens of thousands of people that have contacted us that went to the ellipse there peacefully and didn't even get near the Capitol steps.

01:00:49.000 And the way the media has been building this narrative, which we have to push back against, and I encourage all of you to do this to all your friends, is two events and pull out a map for goodness sakes.

01:00:59.000 Show how far away these things are and how few people actually went from the ellipse to the Capitol.

01:01:05.000 Even the people that did, I know some people that just kind of stood there and watched and were saying, this is terrible.

01:01:09.000 And then they walked away.

01:01:12.000 There's nothing against the law to walk over there and say this is terrible.

01:01:14.000 But as we said in the other hour, look, as soon as you started to see things get heated up and you didn't leave, probably unwise, but not illegal, okay?

01:01:24.000 There's a lot of unwise things you could do legally in this country.

01:01:28.000 However, the left is now making this very dangerous argument that every single person that attended was part of this collective Borg, you know, resistance is futile and they were all feeding each other at all costs and they were all messaging each other secretly and privately saying, this is our chance to stage a coup.

01:01:49.000 Like, stop it.

01:01:50.000 Okay.

01:01:51.000 This was not an attempted coup against the United States of America.

01:01:54.000 This is a bunch of JV junior varsity thugs, the ones that went in and were instigators on the left or on the right.

01:02:05.000 The zip ties, really?

01:02:06.000 You think that guy is legitimately serious about staging a coup with the United States?

01:02:10.000 The guy that goes into Pelosi's office and puts up his legs.

01:02:13.000 You think that guy is someone that's really started to stage a coup?

01:02:17.000 You want a coup?

01:02:17.000 I'll show you a coup.

01:02:18.000 Peter Strzzk and Lisa Page, that was a coup against the president of the United States.

01:02:22.000 Not a bunch of guys that come in wearing hats with zip ties, acting as if they're going to take over.

01:02:27.000 What the media is doing is overly legitimizing these people.

01:02:30.000 Crime?

01:02:31.000 Yes.

01:02:32.000 Reprehensible?

01:02:33.000 Yes.

01:02:33.000 Multidimensional, sophisticated terror organizations.

01:02:36.000 Slow down there, pal.

01:02:38.000 Diane emailed us, and I do want to get to this because I said this in the other hour, and I think I actually supported her, and I just want to make this very clear, but it's a good email.

01:02:47.000 I'm writing to you because what you say on live stream today was incorrect.

01:02:50.000 You weren't even at the Capitol, so I'm not sure how you could be sure of so many of your misstatements.

01:02:55.000 Just to be clear, I wasn't.

01:02:56.000 You're right.

01:02:57.000 I was 2,000 miles away here in Arizona, but I do want to make clear what was happening here.

01:03:03.000 And just anyway, I just want to read her email because I think she missed what I said earlier, and that's good.

01:03:07.000 She said, most of the tens of thousands who peacefully walked to the Capitol, which is about a mile away from the ellipse, two miles, went for a rally and speakers there, like Brandon Stracha, who were scheduled to speak, to show our objection to election fraud.

01:03:18.000 You're exactly right.

01:03:19.000 Most of us had seen one or more of the organizer website having marched to the Capitol part of today's events.

01:03:25.000 There had been rallies against election fraud at the Capitol in previous weeks, so there's no reason to think it was not legitimate.

01:03:30.000 No, you're exactly right.

01:03:31.000 And then she says this.

01:03:33.000 Most of us had no idea the chaos that was going on inside.

01:03:36.000 I was by the Peace Memorial, had no idea I got home until even hours later.

01:03:39.000 Even people who were up close and saying they didn't know we had no internet because signals were jammed.

01:03:44.000 No, that's the point I made in the earlier segment.

01:03:47.000 What I am saying, though, is that as soon as kind of flash bang grenades started to get detonated, the people that ran to the trouble, I mean, come on, like that's, you know, you know better than that.

01:03:57.000 But there were a lot of people that still, that was the nuance I was making, is that the activist media first didn't even cover the enormity of the ellipse, then didn't show the smaller crowd to the Capitol, but then even show why people were going to the Capitol in the first place, which was for constitutionally protected speech.

01:04:11.000 We made the decision at turning point action not to send our kids to the Capitol.

01:04:15.000 We got them back on their buses and got them out.

01:04:17.000 But the people that did go to the Capitol that wanted to hear from Brandon Stracha, in fact, they were actually scheduled to hear from Congresswoman Lauren Boebert and other people that were scheduled to go outside and speak to them.

01:04:26.000 And some people that were just kind of there and seeing and watching.

01:04:29.000 And the Peace Memorial is quite a ways from the actual interior of the Capitol.

01:04:34.000 The Peace Monuments on the northern side and the James Abram Garfield Memorials on the south side.

01:04:40.000 And so, Diane, I appreciate your question, freedomatcharliekirk.com.

01:04:43.000 What I am saying, though, is that some people that have now been arrested saw the trouble going on in the Capitol.

01:04:49.000 They saw the barricades be broken and they ran towards it.

01:04:51.000 That's bad judgment, okay?

01:04:53.000 And I can tell you that some people got caught up in this, that some people got caught up in this, I think, incorrectly, and I think regrettably is really what I mean.

01:05:04.000 They regretted getting up, getting involved in all that.

01:05:07.000 So I appreciate your question, Diane.

01:05:09.000 I just want to make sure I made that very clear.

01:05:10.000 And I actually appreciate the critical emails at freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:05:16.000 Sometimes people miss some stuff, and I totally appreciate that.

01:05:21.000 Someone says this, hey, Charlie, Trump is scheduled to speak in 83 minutes.

01:05:24.000 What do you think he needs to say?

01:05:25.000 And what do you think he's going to say?

01:05:26.000 Well, we don't know if the president's going to speak.

01:05:29.000 One of my biggest annoyances over the weekend, did you get these texts?

01:05:33.000 Oh, I sure did.

01:05:34.000 And I was like, no, he's not going to speak.

01:05:36.000 And this is part of just kind of, once after January 20th, I'm just waiting and I'm just planning.

01:05:44.000 Post-January 20th, I'm going to do a comprehensive lockdown of a lot of the fake information that really good people like yourselves are being sent.

01:05:51.000 I'm not going to do it until after January 20th, but I could tell you that the president was never scheduled to speak over the weekend.

01:05:58.000 You got one of those texts, right?

01:05:59.000 Oh, so many of those DMs and comments.

01:06:02.000 And I responded, I said, who's telling you this?

01:06:05.000 And they said, oh, it's going to happen.

01:06:06.000 The president didn't speak this weekend.

01:06:08.000 So there is a lot of misinformation out there.

01:06:12.000 And so I just want to make sure that, you know, we, you know, were as clear and as accurate as we possibly can.

01:06:21.000 Let's get to some more questions here.

01:06:23.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:06:27.000 Let's get one here.

01:06:28.000 Greetings, Charlie.

01:06:29.000 We very much appreciate your YouTube program and watch it regularly.

01:06:31.000 Standing for truth to the nation and world.

01:06:33.000 We praise God for your voice, especially to your generation to inspire them to greatness based on truth.

01:06:38.000 We have a question.

01:06:39.000 We cannot get the full unedited version of President Trump's speech on January the 6th.

01:06:43.000 Do you have a source?

01:06:45.000 That's a great point.

01:06:47.000 I think RSBN should have it, right?

01:06:49.000 RSBN should have it, or did they take it down, Isabel?

01:06:53.000 I'm not sure if they've taken it down.

01:06:54.000 Our team is saying that they might have the full version here, but good luck finding the full version, especially on mainstream media outlets.

01:07:01.000 It took us 45 minutes with our team the other day as we were sitting in here broadcasting for you guys to find one specific clip of his statement saying that the demonstrations at the Capitol would be peaceful and patriotic.

01:07:12.000 And so RSBN, Rightside Broadcasting Network, is always a good place to watch all of those.

01:07:16.000 So I encourage you guys to check it out.

01:07:19.000 Isabel, what's on your mind?

01:07:20.000 You know, I have a lot on my mind, Charlie, and my hope is that people will be able to find real truth this week more than anything.

01:07:29.000 I think what I was so frustrated about last week in the midst of everything happening on Capitol Hill and the days that followed was just the sheer enormity of lies that I saw on my social media feeds when I watched television, when I started reading newspapers, even newspapers that I've generally trusted over the last few years.

01:07:46.000 And this idea that conservatives are all being conflated to be these violent, radical, insurrectionist, domestic terrorists is so disheartening to me because there's such an interesting cultural moment happening because of those allegations.

01:08:00.000 All of a sudden, conservatives are being encouraged to be kicked off social media platforms.

01:08:04.000 People are saying that we should be put on no-fly lists.

01:08:07.000 That's trending on Twitter right now as we speak.

01:08:09.000 And I've seen lots of familiar names on that Twitter feed right there.

01:08:13.000 People are saying that no longer should conservatives have access to the Second Amendment because we are violent insurrectionist terrorists and therefore it's an imminent threat to why we have the Bill of Rights.

01:08:24.000 This is exactly why we have the Bill Browns.

01:08:26.000 Moments like this where everyone's like, no, no, actually, I was 2,000 miles away.

01:08:30.000 We got our kids out of harm's way.

01:08:32.000 Even if you were at the Capitol and you were watching from afar, you still have the right to free speech and to own a firearm, despite what David Hogg wants to say on Twitter, okay?

01:08:40.000 Well, and already the First Amendment was under attack for several years, and we've been talking a lot about this with Turning Point USA for a very long time.

01:08:46.000 This is not a new idea.

01:08:48.000 Last year, 51% of millennials wanted to rewrite the First Amendment completely because it has no protections and clauses for quote-unquote hate speech, whatever they want to call that.

01:08:58.000 But that fight is just beginning now with all of these allegations.

01:09:01.000 And I won't be surprised when extreme legislation goes through the United States Congress here in the next few weeks after Inauguration Day.

01:09:09.000 Obviously, we can try to try some of those things through the court system and make sure that the judicial system can get kicked in to protect our rights, but that only goes so far as well.

01:09:18.000 So this is a unique time in American history that requires all of us to get involved in the process.

01:09:24.000 You can't sit back and watch this on your TV screen and scroll through your Twitter feed anymore and just assume someone else is going to say something and take care of it for you.

01:09:32.000 So let's walk through what's all happened in the last week, right?

01:09:35.000 So one week, about a week ago, on Tuesday, we lost the Georgia runoffs.

01:09:40.000 That feels like a year ago.

01:09:40.000 Horrible.

01:09:41.000 Geez.

01:09:42.000 This week has been awful.

01:09:44.000 I'm just going to be honest with you guys.

01:09:45.000 It's not been good.

01:09:47.000 And so then what happened on Wednesday, we were here for the whole thing.

01:09:50.000 You know, I had one of these journalists reach out.

01:09:52.000 They're like, where was Charlie Kirk in the midst of all this?

01:09:54.000 I'm like, well, the good news is I had a camera stuck in my face for five and a half hours.

01:09:59.000 So you can go watch exactly what I thought, what I felt.

01:10:02.000 In real time.

01:10:03.000 What I was drinking, which was tea.

01:10:05.000 The entire time.

01:10:06.000 And then kind of after that, the social media blue terror, you know, kind of was incited.

01:10:12.000 And then the parlor thing on top of it.

01:10:13.000 So can you give us the latest on Parlor?

01:10:15.000 Parlor just filed a lawsuit.

01:10:17.000 They just filed a lawsuit in federal court in Seattle because they've essentially vanished off of the social media stamp there and the internet at this point.

01:10:17.000 They did.

01:10:26.000 It started with the Google App Store taking the app off of its platform, saying that they didn't monitor speech heavily enough when it came to people inciting violence.

01:10:36.000 I'm reading the opposite from the founder of Parlor right now that thousands of people were hired to track violent language and hashtags for incitement to take that off in real time.

01:10:47.000 So that's interesting to see that double standard there.

01:10:50.000 Then Apple followed suit, took their app off the app store, and Amazon, who hosted the server, which basically means parlor.com, then said they felt uncomfortable hosting the domain for this website.

01:11:02.000 And they took that off of their servers, which now means parlor.com just does it.

01:11:06.000 So that's a super important point, Isabel.

01:11:08.000 Let's talk about that.

01:11:09.000 So a lot of people, and I've been educated on this, and I've done a lot of research on this.

01:11:15.000 What does it actually mean to have server space?

01:11:16.000 So everything you do on the internet is actually physically hosted somewhere.

01:11:20.000 Everything you do, every message that you send, every movie that you watch, and servers are kind of the new oil.

01:11:30.000 Server space is limited.

01:11:32.000 We do not have unlimited server space.

01:11:34.000 Amazon in the early 2000s, they got ahead of the game.

01:11:39.000 They saw that, and this was a 20-year project, by the way.

01:11:42.000 They are just finally reaping the benefits.

01:11:44.000 They really started in like 2015, but they started to realize that this internet thing's not going away.

01:11:51.000 And most of the internet has not yet been built.

01:11:54.000 And that in order to try and utilize quicker download speeds, you guys remember the internet in the early 2000s.

01:12:00.000 You had the dial-up connection, right?

01:12:03.000 All of that was done through antiquated old servers.

01:12:06.000 And so Amazon started to invest tons of money.

01:12:10.000 They basically became quietly, and no one really understood or appreciated a server company.

01:12:15.000 And it wasn't until 2013 when these things came around, our iPhones, all of a sudden when apps like Uber and apps like Snapchat and apps like YouTube and Instagram, all of a sudden servers became way more valuable than ever before.

01:12:32.000 Facebook has their own servers, but most of the internet, including Netflix, actually is hosted on Amazon web services.

01:12:39.000 Do you know what else is hosted on Amazon Web Services?

01:12:43.000 Twitter.

01:12:44.000 Twitter is hosted on Amazon Web Services.

01:12:47.000 In fact, Connor, can you get that thing that ALX sent us?

01:12:49.000 I think it was $15 million a month that Twitter pays Amazon Web Services.

01:12:53.000 So in order for Twitter to be able to have all the different inputs and outputs and store everything that anyone's ever said and all the pictures and all the videos, they need actual physical servers to be able to do it.

01:13:03.000 Server rooms are usually in the middle of deserts.

01:13:05.000 They're well protected.

01:13:06.000 Heavy security, because I mean, it could bring down the entire internet.

01:13:09.000 And they're usually temperature controlled.

01:13:11.000 And so, but Twitter does not have, they're not a big enough company like Facebook.

01:13:14.000 Twitter is a fraction the size of Facebook.

01:13:17.000 Twitter gets, I think, more attention than Facebook, but they're a fraction of the size, which kind of goes to show where all the conversation happens.

01:13:24.000 But Amazon, half of almost all of the kind of what's called pioneered internet, that's not the right term, but it's something that somebody used the other day that I saw on a podcast, meaning that is not in the corporate side of it, is almost all through Amazon Web Services.

01:13:38.000 And so Parlor gets on the scene and they're like, well, what's the cheapest, fastest, best server company out there?

01:13:44.000 And I know the head of Parlor.

01:13:45.000 He's a really nice guy.

01:13:47.000 I know a lot of the people behind it.

01:13:48.000 And God bless them all because they really try to do the best thing here.

01:13:50.000 And I'm going to keep on fighting for them.

01:13:52.000 Where they said, well, the best thing is Amazon Web Services.

01:13:56.000 It's cheap.

01:13:56.000 It runs well.

01:13:57.000 And it really is the gold standard.

01:13:59.000 So the top three, let's say, server companies out there is Amazon, which is the gold standard.

01:14:07.000 Then is Google and then Microsoft.

01:14:09.000 I think it's Microsoft Azuze or something.

01:14:12.000 It's Google Cloud, Microsoft Azuze, we'll get the exact term.

01:14:16.000 I can never remember it.

01:14:17.000 And then Amazon Web Services.

01:14:19.000 And so Amazon Web Services, though, is like, just to give you an idea of what they host, Facebook still uses Amazon Web Services for some of their hosting.

01:14:28.000 Facebook is starting to build their own servers.

01:14:30.000 Just to give you an idea of how powerful Amazon Web Services is.

01:14:33.000 Netflix spends $19 million a month with Amazon Web Services.

01:14:39.000 Twitch, $15 million, which is a streaming service mostly for gamers.

01:14:43.000 LinkedIn, get this.

01:14:44.000 LinkedIn owned by Microsoft.

01:14:46.000 Microsoft doesn't even use their own servers.

01:14:49.000 Think about that.

01:14:50.000 So this collusion, this kind of interweb is already there.

01:14:54.000 Facebook, $11 million.

01:14:57.000 Turner Broadcasting, $10 million.

01:14:59.000 BBC, $9 million.

01:15:00.000 Baidu, $9 million.

01:15:02.000 What's the rest of the list as well?

01:15:03.000 You got ESPN at $8 million.

01:15:05.000 Adobe, $8 million.

01:15:06.000 Twitter, $7 million.

01:15:07.000 And that's paying Amazon per month to use their gold standard of servers.

01:15:12.000 So this is an interesting situation now that they've kicked Parler off over ideological differences to no longer be able to use the servers.

01:15:20.000 Parlor has now responded, suing Amazon in federal court in Seattle, saying that this is a breaking of the First Amendment, a violation of free speech.

01:15:30.000 But interestingly, you've heard a lot on this broadcast, and I'm sure on your social media feeds in the last few months, about Section 230 in federal law, in our United States code.

01:15:41.000 Essentially, that shields social media companies and public platforms from civil liability in court.

01:15:47.000 So they can restrict content, they can remove users that they deem to be harassment or violent or objectionable, whether or not it's constitutionally protected whatsoever.

01:15:57.000 The question here that I think the court is going to have to answer is: does Amazon fall under this shield of civil liability?

01:16:03.000 And essentially, all of the companies that do so are called information service providers.

01:16:08.000 That to me sounds like what Amazon is doing through hosting these server domains for individuals.

01:16:13.000 So my anticipation is that they probably will be shielded from liability in court over this decision.

01:16:18.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:16:19.000 And so the, but what you have here, though, is kind of an extermination order that was given from on high where Google, Amazon, and Google, Amazon, and Apple, I'm sorry, Apple, all kind of got together and said, this parlor thing, let's do a favor for our boy Twitter here and knock him out.

01:16:38.000 So who benefits from this?

01:16:39.000 Twitter does, obviously.

01:16:40.000 This is a huge gift to Twitter.

01:16:42.000 Twitter is going to expand their AWS contract after this.

01:16:45.000 Are you kidding me?

01:16:47.000 And it should be illegal.

01:16:49.000 This is the exact reason antitrust laws were put into place to begin with.

01:16:53.000 And speaking to this need for a continued enforcement of our Bill of Rights, the First Amendment honestly is kind of obsolete when you shield the public platforms where people are engaging in free speech.

01:17:04.000 Free speech looks much different today than it did in the 1700s, but just because it's on a screen doesn't mean it's any less important.

01:17:10.000 And that is the point that we need to be making when it comes to continued policy and shielding liability from these companies with Section 230.

01:17:19.000 We have a cut for you guys to watch.

01:17:21.000 This is an example of antitrust abuse.

01:17:23.000 Exactly.

01:17:24.000 And we're going to show you guys this from Fox News here in a second because big tech can just wipe out any competitor that they see to all of their buddies there in the Silicon Valley just because they're protected from civil liability.

01:17:35.000 Let's play tape.

01:17:36.000 You talk about antitrust abuse.

01:17:38.000 This is a perfect example of it, given the fact that these companies have become so dominant that they are able to just wipe out another company, put them out of business.

01:17:47.000 We've been talking for a long time about the elimination of Section 230 in the Telecommunications Act.

01:17:53.000 That gives these companies the liability protection.

01:17:56.000 They can't get sued.

01:17:58.000 They can't get sued.

01:17:59.000 That is so important because all of a sudden, where do your rights live?

01:18:03.000 If you can't sue someone in federal court over a complete violation of your civil liberties, do they exist?

01:18:11.000 That's exactly right.

01:18:12.000 And so that's a phenomenal question.

01:18:15.000 And the answer is no, they don't.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 12, 2021

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