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00:01:36.000During the Super Bowl, you probably saw the He Gets Us advertisement, and it has now been one of the most talked about religious topics in quite some time this week.
00:01:47.000Probably been seen well over 200 million times.
00:01:50.000He gets us is primarily funded by certain members of the Green family.
00:01:54.000It is celebrated by some of the younger children in the Green family.
00:01:59.000They're associated with Russell Moore, and they want a different version of Christianity.
00:02:04.000They think Christianity has become too mean and turns people off.
00:02:08.000And they believe in a theological approach that Jesus is kind of your bro.
00:02:14.000That Jesus won't tell you to stop sinning.
00:02:18.000He'll put his arm around you and say, just keep doing what you're doing because I get you.
00:02:25.000That is effectively the theological and messaging disposition that part of the Green family is pumping hundreds of millions of dollars behind.
00:02:35.000There is so much wrong with that advertisement.
00:02:37.000Joining us now is Jamie Bambrick, creator of the alternative He Gets Us advertisement.
00:02:59.000People can probably tell from my accent that I'm not American.
00:03:01.000I'm Northern Irish, but I saw it and was like many Christians, and I would say all Bible-believing Christians at least should be, was really frustrated by it because it's such a, there's a few problems with it.
00:03:16.000One is that it's a misportrayal of the gospel, where it is, as you said, it's like Jesus, all he wants to do is put his arm around us and functionally support us in our sin, which is not the gospel, right?
00:03:28.000But then also, furthermore, there's a slight element in it of slander towards Bible-believing Christians because the culmination of it, for those that maybe are listening and didn't see it, is that it says, Jesus didn't preach hate, he washed feet.
00:03:44.000And the implication is that anybody who does something other than that, anybody who perhaps while serving, because we should all serve and love people, and of course we do, but there's also an element where we should say, no, this is wrong.
00:04:04.000Biblically, that is actually an act of love, at least if it's done in the right way and done with a genuine sense of concern for the other person's soul and eternal well-being.
00:04:14.000So, yeah, that just that started me thinking about it.
00:04:18.000And then I ended up having a conversation.
00:04:20.000I've been praying actually for an idea.
00:04:24.000I've been praying about getting an idea for a video.
00:04:28.000And a friend of mine on Twitter, a guy called Josh Does, had said, oh, it'd be great if someone made a better version of this.
00:04:34.000And I just felt like it was, you know, something I was like, I could do something better than that.
00:04:40.000Got the idea of putting together then something that would be more edifying and hopefully more true to the biblical gospel.
00:04:46.000So yeah, that was the kind of long story made short as to why I did it.
00:04:51.000What's fascinating, I've watched the ad a couple times now, and I didn't necessarily catch this the first time I saw it, is that it's not geared at the lost.
00:05:01.000And that's what's so perplexing is that you buy an advertisement in front of 123 million people at a Super Bowl, and they're saying that we need to reach the lost.
00:05:24.000So why use a Super Bowl ad to kind of criticize other Christians, essentially to say that we didn't, you know, Jesus didn't preach hate and also to kind of tell the world who thinks that Jesus is hate is, oh, no, don't worry.
00:05:37.000You know, we're not going to tell you that you're wrong in your sin.
00:07:56.000I mean, so what I wanted to do was I wanted to make it close to the original in terms of the concept because I wanted to show what you actually said there, which is this is what could have been, this is what should have been.
00:08:07.000And this is the message that Christians should be getting out there in place of the one that they did.
00:08:13.000So obviously stylistically, it's similar, but as you said, it's containing a message that actually speaks of what God can do in someone's life.
00:08:24.000Because I think this conception that Christians that are, let's say, conservative, let's say Bible believing, whatever it might be, that we hate people that are not like us, I think that's fundamentally untrue.
00:08:35.000We actually love those who are different to us, but we love them.
00:08:40.000And hopefully we love them, at least in a reflection of the way that Jesus loves them, which is we love them, but we also want to see them leave behind their sinful lifestyle and come into the beautiful restoration and goodness that Jesus has for them.
00:08:54.000So you see all those images of here's what life was like before, and here's where God has brought them now.
00:08:59.000And yeah, so, I mean, you said, you said I get the credit for it.
00:09:02.000Ultimately, this is, it was a very simple thing to make.
00:09:06.000So the credit goes to what God has actually done.
00:09:09.000I think that's the more appealing thing about this is that these are true stories of what God can do in people's lives.
00:09:15.000And for me, that's the exciting thing.
00:09:16.000So, Jamie, one of the things I want you to talk about for a second, and I want to play a piece of tape that proves this, is the power of creating an alternative.
00:09:25.000The fact that you created an alternative advertisement really made he gets us look bad.
00:09:30.000And I know that what meaning in a way that I think was very powerful, because it's one thing for us to criticize the ad.
00:09:37.000It's another thing to say, no, no, we're not against running ads during the Super Bowl.
00:09:40.000We're not against trying to bring people to Jesus.
00:10:14.000So if an advert gets out there and brings the name of Jesus to millions and millions of people, of course God can use that to perhaps stir an interest in Christianity, come to church, read their Bible, whatever it may be, right?
00:10:30.000The issue is that the content of their advertisement as it was, and as any reasonable person would have viewed it, will actually, typically speaking, make the ground harder for most Christians to believe because they're saying what a lot of people's misconception is of the church, which is that if we call you to turn from sin and come to faith in Jesus Christ, that we're preaching hate.
00:10:51.000So the gospel of the original advert is not the saving gospel.
00:10:59.000And therefore, even if God manages through his great wisdom and power to, you know, redirect things in someone's life, and because it's a lot of people, it might even be a lot of people's lives.
00:11:08.000The fact is that you actually need to, and you would be much better spent your time and money, your $14 million or whatever it may have been, I've heard different numbers reported, would have been much better spent conveying a gospel that could save and conveying the true message.
00:11:22.000Because yes, you might get even a tiny bit of fruit from this and we'll praise God for all of it.
00:11:26.000But nonetheless, there could have been so much more.
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00:13:13.000That's a pretty important kicker that you have to change your ways, that I'm going to transform you.
00:13:20.000And what I love about your message is that it shows these happy people of all sorts of different backgrounds that were probably not as joyful before they found Jesus.
00:13:30.000And it shows that it can transform them.
00:13:32.000And so, where does this bro-eye he gets us thing come from?
00:13:38.000And I'm afraid it comes from an approach of people that do not want to be challenged on their sinful ways, that they know what's best, that they want a God that affirms their drug use, their addiction, their whatever lifestyle.
00:13:55.000And that if you dare question it, the only explanation is hateful, as if there's not a spectrum of so much other things before hateful.
00:14:02.000And the most loving thing you can do when you encounter an error is to correct it.
00:14:09.000And if you find an error, you want to correct it.
00:14:12.000And when you find a mistake, do you affirm that mistake or do you try and give people the proper way that they might live a better and deeper life?
00:14:22.000Jamie from Northern Ireland, Jamie Bambrick, creator of the alternative he gets us at.
00:14:36.000Without getting into too much detail on it, someone talked about Christianity functioning in the neutral world, which we've moved out of, where Christianity was, let's say, from the late 90s through to about maybe 10 years ago.
00:14:50.000Christianity, we live in a postmodern world.
00:14:52.000Christianity can be good for you, but not necessarily good for me, but we're open to all kinds of ideas.
00:14:58.000And in that world, I think it made a lot of sense for people, and people probably find it evangelistically effective to say, what we're going to do in order to reach people is we're just going to show that we're nice.
00:15:09.000We're going to show that this works for us.
00:15:12.000And then hopefully they'll pick up a little bit of that.
00:15:16.000We've shifted societally across the Western world.
00:15:19.000So America included, Northern Ireland included, everywhere in the West, to the negative world, where it is viewed as a negative thing to be a Christian.
00:15:43.000His apostles, all but one of them, were murdered for their faith.
00:15:48.000And we need to get back to that because I think this idea that if we're just nice enough and if we just show that we're always as nice as we can be, that people will come to the faith.
00:16:00.000It was always incorrect, but it certainly is not working anymore.
00:16:04.000And I think you see this even with, I don't want to go on too long, but I think you see this with the reaction of the left to this because they've not really appreciated it either in many ways.
00:16:13.000And I think the reason is they know they're being pandered to.
00:16:16.000They know that this is not a true belief of what we are, a true portrayal of what we actually believe.
00:17:28.000Okay, so I want to play this piece of tape here because I want to try to give an example of a moment where I, based on what I've received from Andrew and the team, they said I embodied your message more than the He Gets Us.
00:17:42.000So just by context, I went on this program called Whatever.
00:17:45.000Our audience is now aware of it because I've walked them through it.
00:17:47.000A lot of porn people were there, people that participate in the actual act of having sex on camera, including a young lady next to me.
00:17:56.000The he gets us approach would have me turning to the porn person by the name of Molly and would have said, you know, Molly, I get you.
00:18:04.000I get that you film yourself having sex.
00:18:10.000I just want to know that Jesus gets you.
00:18:12.000Yet Jesus is right there with a thumbs up of approval when you're having sex with a man on camera and that Jesus is not going to judge you, that you're live streaming yourself having the most intimate, holy thing two human beings can do.
00:19:16.000Yeah, I think you conveyed very well there what the heart of Christians should be towards those who are stuck in sin.
00:19:24.000Because so the Bible describes living in sin as slavery.
00:19:28.000It describes it as something that is destructive to the human soul.
00:19:33.000And yes, that girl, you know, she may believe that she's happy.
00:19:38.000There may be even temporary happiness involved with that lifestyle.
00:19:42.000Maybe there's some fame and popularity and whatever it might be that comes with that.
00:19:46.000But long term, that will take a toll on her soul.
00:19:51.000And that is the very thing that we as believers want to see people rescued from in this life.
00:19:57.000And then obviously, eternal salvation as part of that as well.
00:20:02.000So, no, I think that that is the kind of way.
00:20:05.000It is a very good example in a brief way of conveying to someone who does not believe and is not really interested in believing perhaps that, no, we do care about you, but we care about you enough to say the difficult thing.
00:20:16.000We care enough to say that you need to actually lay this down in order to receive something better that God has for you.
00:20:22.000Jamie, let's kind of summarize this all together.
00:20:33.000Yeah, so I'm an associate pastor here.
00:20:36.000Northern Ireland actually is reasonably Christian for the UK.
00:20:40.000It would almost be sort of slightly equivalent to the Bible Belt perhaps of the United Kingdom.
00:20:45.000We would be less Christian than perhaps the southern states would be, but there's a fairly strong evangelical presence here.
00:20:53.000And also, we have many practicing and believing Catholics as well, so people across the spectrum.
00:20:58.000But yeah, so I'm an associate pastor at a church just outside of Belfast.
00:21:02.000And then about a year ago, I started making some YouTube videos and then started to post them over on Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it.
00:21:10.000Really dealing with cultural issues from a Christian perspective.
00:21:14.000I think that that's an essential area for the church to engage in.
00:21:17.000In my experience, it's the number one reason why people are turning away from the faith or not coming to the faith is really these days it is those cultural issues.
00:21:40.000I had a small channel and had the occasional video do well, but it's really taken off over the last couple of days, which has been really encouraging to see.
00:21:57.000I want to see Northern Ireland impacted.
00:22:00.000But I think part of the way we do that is being part of the wider Christian sphere, speaking to these things that are happening in the global scale.
00:22:06.000And I've been encouraged just that the response locally has actually been really, really good.
00:22:11.000And hoping to use that for the glory of God here in Northern Ireland.
00:22:16.000How can people support you and follow everything you're doing?