The Charlie Kirk Show - The Missed Opportunity of "He Gets Us"

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00:01:36.000 During the Super Bowl, you probably saw the He Gets Us advertisement, and it has now been one of the most talked about religious topics in quite some time this week.

00:01:47.000 Probably been seen well over 200 million times.

00:01:50.000 He gets us is primarily funded by certain members of the Green family. 0.66

00:01:54.000 It is celebrated by some of the younger children in the Green family.

00:01:59.000 They're associated with Russell Moore, and they want a different version of Christianity.

00:02:04.000 They think Christianity has become too mean and turns people off.

00:02:08.000 And they believe in a theological approach that Jesus is kind of your bro.

00:02:14.000 That Jesus won't tell you to stop sinning.

00:02:18.000 He'll put his arm around you and say, just keep doing what you're doing because I get you.

00:02:25.000 That is effectively the theological and messaging disposition that part of the Green family is pumping hundreds of millions of dollars behind. 0.88

00:02:35.000 There is so much wrong with that advertisement.

00:02:37.000 Joining us now is Jamie Bambrick, creator of the alternative He Gets Us advertisement.

00:02:45.000 Jamie, welcome to the program.

00:02:47.000 Jamie, talk about your reaction when you saw that advertisement.

00:02:52.000 Super.

00:02:52.000 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, my initial reaction was that it was terrible.

00:02:56.000 So I'm actually a big NFL fan.

00:02:59.000 People can probably tell from my accent that I'm not American.

00:03:01.000 I'm Northern Irish, but I saw it and was like many Christians, and I would say all Bible-believing Christians at least should be, was really frustrated by it because it's such a, there's a few problems with it. 0.99

00:03:16.000 One is that it's a misportrayal of the gospel, where it is, as you said, it's like Jesus, all he wants to do is put his arm around us and functionally support us in our sin, which is not the gospel, right?

00:03:28.000 But then also, furthermore, there's a slight element in it of slander towards Bible-believing Christians because the culmination of it, for those that maybe are listening and didn't see it, is that it says, Jesus didn't preach hate, he washed feet.

00:03:44.000 And the implication is that anybody who does something other than that, anybody who perhaps while serving, because we should all serve and love people, and of course we do, but there's also an element where we should say, no, this is wrong.

00:03:56.000 You need to turn from your sin.

00:03:58.000 Need to come to faith in Jesus Christ, that that would be considered hate.

00:04:02.000 And of course, it's not hate.

00:04:04.000 Biblically, that is actually an act of love, at least if it's done in the right way and done with a genuine sense of concern for the other person's soul and eternal well-being.

00:04:14.000 So, yeah, that just that started me thinking about it.

00:04:18.000 And then I ended up having a conversation.

00:04:20.000 I've been praying actually for an idea.

00:04:22.000 I run a small channel.

00:04:24.000 I've been praying about getting an idea for a video.

00:04:28.000 And a friend of mine on Twitter, a guy called Josh Does, had said, oh, it'd be great if someone made a better version of this.

00:04:34.000 And I just felt like it was, you know, something I was like, I could do something better than that.

00:04:40.000 Got the idea of putting together then something that would be more edifying and hopefully more true to the biblical gospel.

00:04:46.000 So yeah, that was the kind of long story made short as to why I did it.

00:04:51.000 What's fascinating, I've watched the ad a couple times now, and I didn't necessarily catch this the first time I saw it, is that it's not geared at the lost.

00:05:01.000 And that's what's so perplexing is that you buy an advertisement in front of 123 million people at a Super Bowl, and they're saying that we need to reach the lost.

00:05:13.000 We need to reach the lost.

00:05:15.000 But it's as if the advertisement was actually to criticize Christians.

00:05:21.000 That was actually what that was so.

00:05:24.000 So why use a Super Bowl ad to kind of criticize other Christians, essentially to say that we didn't, you know, Jesus didn't preach hate and also to kind of tell the world who thinks that Jesus is hate is, oh, no, don't worry.

00:05:37.000 You know, we're not going to tell you that you're wrong in your sin.

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00:06:45.000 What I love about your advertisement is you talk about the former and the former and the transformational nature of Jesus Christ.

00:06:54.000 And I'll be very honest with you, Jamie.

00:06:56.000 I got angry when I saw your ad because I said, what could have been?

00:07:01.000 How great it could have been to show that people are not all yet they could be.

00:07:07.000 And that is the difference between the two ads.

00:07:09.000 That he gets us is that, well, he's going to come down to your broken state and almost affirm where you are.

00:07:15.000 He gets you, bro. 0.97

00:07:16.000 He gets that you're a meth addict. 0.99

00:07:18.000 He gets that you're, you know, giving kids chemical castration. 0.98

00:07:22.000 He gets that you're an abortionist.

00:07:23.000 You say, no, no, no, no.

00:07:24.000 You could be better.

00:07:26.000 You could become a, you could become a new person, as the scripture said.

00:07:32.000 It's completely different.

00:07:34.000 Yours is hopeful and optimistic and is the gospel.

00:07:38.000 Theirs is like heavy and almost like ridden with guilt.

00:07:43.000 And that is completely different.

00:07:46.000 Like, yeah, he gets you, dude.

00:07:47.000 I don't, first of all, Jesus doesn't get me.

00:07:50.000 He saves me.

00:07:51.000 Big difference.

00:07:53.000 Tell us about your approach there, your creative approach.

00:07:55.000 Sure.

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:56.000 I mean, so what I wanted to do was I wanted to make it close to the original in terms of the concept because I wanted to show what you actually said there, which is this is what could have been, this is what should have been.

00:08:07.000 And this is the message that Christians should be getting out there in place of the one that they did. 0.99

00:08:13.000 So obviously stylistically, it's similar, but as you said, it's containing a message that actually speaks of what God can do in someone's life.

00:08:24.000 Because I think this conception that Christians that are, let's say, conservative, let's say Bible believing, whatever it might be, that we hate people that are not like us, I think that's fundamentally untrue.

00:08:35.000 We actually love those who are different to us, but we love them.

00:08:40.000 And hopefully we love them, at least in a reflection of the way that Jesus loves them, which is we love them, but we also want to see them leave behind their sinful lifestyle and come into the beautiful restoration and goodness that Jesus has for them.

00:08:54.000 So you see all those images of here's what life was like before, and here's where God has brought them now.

00:08:59.000 And yeah, so, I mean, you said, you said I get the credit for it.

00:09:02.000 Ultimately, this is, it was a very simple thing to make.

00:09:06.000 So the credit goes to what God has actually done.

00:09:09.000 I think that's the more appealing thing about this is that these are true stories of what God can do in people's lives.

00:09:15.000 And for me, that's the exciting thing.

00:09:16.000 So, Jamie, one of the things I want you to talk about for a second, and I want to play a piece of tape that proves this, is the power of creating an alternative.

00:09:25.000 The fact that you created an alternative advertisement really made he gets us look bad.

00:09:30.000 And I know that what meaning in a way that I think was very powerful, because it's one thing for us to criticize the ad.

00:09:37.000 It's another thing to say, no, no, we're not against running ads during the Super Bowl.

00:09:40.000 We're not against trying to bring people to Jesus.

00:09:42.000 It's just you guys swung and missed.

00:09:44.000 And by the way, just so you know, I have tried my best to talk to the He Gets Us people.

00:09:48.000 They are so prideful when it comes to this.

00:09:50.000 They will not receive criticism.

00:09:52.000 They say that it's working.

00:09:53.000 They say it's wonderful and that your heart is hard if you don't love their advertisement.

00:09:58.000 Jamie, what's your response to that?

00:10:01.000 Yeah, I think, firstly, God can do wonderful things through things that are not good, right?

00:10:08.000 God can bring good out of evil.

00:10:10.000 Romans 8, 28.

00:10:13.000 Right, absolutely.

00:10:14.000 So if an advert gets out there and brings the name of Jesus to millions and millions of people, of course God can use that to perhaps stir an interest in Christianity, come to church, read their Bible, whatever it may be, right?

00:10:28.000 So that's possible.

00:10:30.000 The issue is that the content of their advertisement as it was, and as any reasonable person would have viewed it, will actually, typically speaking, make the ground harder for most Christians to believe because they're saying what a lot of people's misconception is of the church, which is that if we call you to turn from sin and come to faith in Jesus Christ, that we're preaching hate.

00:10:51.000 So the gospel of the original advert is not the saving gospel.

00:10:57.000 It is a different gospel.

00:10:59.000 And therefore, even if God manages through his great wisdom and power to, you know, redirect things in someone's life, and because it's a lot of people, it might even be a lot of people's lives.

00:11:08.000 The fact is that you actually need to, and you would be much better spent your time and money, your $14 million or whatever it may have been, I've heard different numbers reported, would have been much better spent conveying a gospel that could save and conveying the true message.

00:11:22.000 Because yes, you might get even a tiny bit of fruit from this and we'll praise God for all of it.

00:11:26.000 But nonetheless, there could have been so much more.

00:11:29.000 It could have been so much more.

00:11:30.000 And, you know, God will use all things for those who love him towards his good.

00:11:33.000 That is the promise of Romans 8, 28, and that remains to be true.

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00:12:41.000 We also have to ask: is this the wisest deployment?

00:12:44.000 And is this the message?

00:12:45.000 Is this the best theological message?

00:12:47.000 And it's funny, you know, they say Jesus didn't preach hate, but I see in those pictures a lot of people that do preach hate.

00:12:54.000 I mean, they showed an abortionist, they showed protesters.

00:12:58.000 And remember, in John 8, which is very quoted by the wokey Christian people, it's fine. 1.00

00:13:04.000 They say, let the first among you cast the first stone.

00:13:06.000 They forget the second part of John 8.

00:13:07.000 When Jesus says to the woman he just saved, sin no more.

00:13:11.000 You got to stop sinning.

00:13:13.000 That's a pretty important kicker that you have to change your ways, that I'm going to transform you.

00:13:20.000 And what I love about your message is that it shows these happy people of all sorts of different backgrounds that were probably not as joyful before they found Jesus.

00:13:30.000 And it shows that it can transform them.

00:13:32.000 And so, where does this bro-eye he gets us thing come from?

00:13:38.000 And I'm afraid it comes from an approach of people that do not want to be challenged on their sinful ways, that they know what's best, that they want a God that affirms their drug use, their addiction, their whatever lifestyle.

00:13:55.000 And that if you dare question it, the only explanation is hateful, as if there's not a spectrum of so much other things before hateful.

00:14:02.000 And the most loving thing you can do when you encounter an error is to correct it.

00:14:09.000 And if you find an error, you want to correct it.

00:14:12.000 And when you find a mistake, do you affirm that mistake or do you try and give people the proper way that they might live a better and deeper life?

00:14:22.000 Jamie from Northern Ireland, Jamie Bambrick, creator of the alternative he gets us at.

00:14:26.000 Where does that come from, Jamie?

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00:14:31.000 It's growing.

00:14:32.000 It has momentum.

00:14:32.000 Where does that come from?

00:14:34.000 Yeah, I think there's a few things.

00:14:36.000 Without getting into too much detail on it, someone talked about Christianity functioning in the neutral world, which we've moved out of, where Christianity was, let's say, from the late 90s through to about maybe 10 years ago.

00:14:50.000 Christianity, we live in a postmodern world. 0.76

00:14:52.000 Christianity can be good for you, but not necessarily good for me, but we're open to all kinds of ideas.

00:14:58.000 And in that world, I think it made a lot of sense for people, and people probably find it evangelistically effective to say, what we're going to do in order to reach people is we're just going to show that we're nice.

00:15:09.000 We're going to show that this works for us.

00:15:12.000 And then hopefully they'll pick up a little bit of that.

00:15:15.000 We've now shifted.

00:15:16.000 We've shifted societally across the Western world.

00:15:19.000 So America included, Northern Ireland included, everywhere in the West, to the negative world, where it is viewed as a negative thing to be a Christian.

00:15:26.000 It's not just a neutral thing.

00:15:28.000 It's negative.

00:15:29.000 And in that, we actually need to have the confidence that being well received is not the most important thing.

00:15:36.000 Jesus was not well received in his message.

00:15:38.000 The apostles were not well received in their message.

00:15:40.000 They paid an enormous price.

00:15:41.000 Jesus Christ was crucified.

00:15:43.000 His apostles, all but one of them, were murdered for their faith.

00:15:48.000 And we need to get back to that because I think this idea that if we're just nice enough and if we just show that we're always as nice as we can be, that people will come to the faith.

00:15:57.000 That is the very outdated idea.

00:16:00.000 It was always incorrect, but it certainly is not working anymore.

00:16:04.000 And I think you see this even with, I don't want to go on too long, but I think you see this with the reaction of the left to this because they've not really appreciated it either in many ways.

00:16:13.000 And I think the reason is they know they're being pandered to.

00:16:16.000 They know that this is not a true belief of what we are, a true portrayal of what we actually believe. 0.93

00:16:23.000 They know that this is sucking up.

00:16:24.000 And I think they'd rather if it was upfront.

00:16:26.000 And I think it can be upfront in a way that is also hopeful and not just condemnation.

00:16:31.000 Yes, there's sin, but there's grace, but there's forgiveness.

00:16:35.000 Transformation.

00:16:36.000 That is a better message.

00:16:36.000 Yeah, we both said it at the same time.

00:16:38.000 Do not conform to the ways of this world, but instead be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

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00:17:28.000 Okay, so I want to play this piece of tape here because I want to try to give an example of a moment where I, based on what I've received from Andrew and the team, they said I embodied your message more than the He Gets Us.

00:17:42.000 So just by context, I went on this program called Whatever.

00:17:45.000 Our audience is now aware of it because I've walked them through it.

00:17:47.000 A lot of porn people were there, people that participate in the actual act of having sex on camera, including a young lady next to me.

00:17:56.000 The he gets us approach would have me turning to the porn person by the name of Molly and would have said, you know, Molly, I get you. 0.93

00:18:04.000 I get that you film yourself having sex. 0.99

00:18:07.000 And I'm not here to condemn you. 0.96

00:18:10.000 I just want to know that Jesus gets you.

00:18:12.000 Yet Jesus is right there with a thumbs up of approval when you're having sex with a man on camera and that Jesus is not going to judge you, that you're live streaming yourself having the most intimate, holy thing two human beings can do.

00:18:25.000 That's the he gets us approach.

00:18:26.000 That is the approach that the Green family is underwriting.

00:18:29.000 There's a different way to handle it, where you still can be loving and truthful.

00:18:34.000 And I think we hit this chord based on response I've received.

00:18:38.000 Play cut 120, please.

00:18:40.000 I have sympathy for you.

00:18:41.000 I do.

00:18:41.000 You're trying to cope with the suppression of your soul.

00:18:45.000 And filming yourself having sex with other men and filming it is not the highest and best use of the talents that God gave you.

00:18:52.000 It's not.

00:18:53.000 That is a talent God gave me.

00:18:55.000 Well, it's not the highest and best use, and it's not a talent because, as I said, in my belief, that should be saved in a sacred domain.

00:19:01.000 We're not going to agree on that.

00:19:02.000 But I hope you change course.

00:19:05.000 I think you'll be happier and more joyful.

00:19:06.000 And I pray you don't have to suffer too much to realize that.

00:19:09.000 Well, in my belief, this is my most happy and joyful.

00:19:14.000 Jamie, your reaction.

00:19:16.000 Yeah, I think you conveyed very well there what the heart of Christians should be towards those who are stuck in sin.

00:19:24.000 Because so the Bible describes living in sin as slavery.

00:19:28.000 It describes it as something that is destructive to the human soul.

00:19:33.000 And yes, that girl, you know, she may believe that she's happy.

00:19:38.000 There may be even temporary happiness involved with that lifestyle.

00:19:42.000 Maybe there's some fame and popularity and whatever it might be that comes with that.

00:19:46.000 But long term, that will take a toll on her soul.

00:19:51.000 And that is the very thing that we as believers want to see people rescued from in this life.

00:19:57.000 And then obviously, eternal salvation as part of that as well.

00:20:02.000 So, no, I think that that is the kind of way.

00:20:05.000 It is a very good example in a brief way of conveying to someone who does not believe and is not really interested in believing perhaps that, no, we do care about you, but we care about you enough to say the difficult thing.

00:20:16.000 We care enough to say that you need to actually lay this down in order to receive something better that God has for you.

00:20:22.000 Jamie, let's kind of summarize this all together.

00:20:25.000 Just talk about the work you do.

00:20:27.000 Northern Ireland is not exactly known as the Bible Belt of the planet.

00:20:31.000 Tell us about your life.

00:20:32.000 What do you do?

00:20:33.000 Yeah, so I'm an associate pastor here.

00:20:36.000 Northern Ireland actually is reasonably Christian for the UK.

00:20:40.000 It would almost be sort of slightly equivalent to the Bible Belt perhaps of the United Kingdom.

00:20:45.000 We would be less Christian than perhaps the southern states would be, but there's a fairly strong evangelical presence here.

00:20:53.000 And also, we have many practicing and believing Catholics as well, so people across the spectrum.

00:20:58.000 But yeah, so I'm an associate pastor at a church just outside of Belfast.

00:21:02.000 And then about a year ago, I started making some YouTube videos and then started to post them over on Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it.

00:21:10.000 Really dealing with cultural issues from a Christian perspective.

00:21:14.000 I think that that's an essential area for the church to engage in.

00:21:17.000 In my experience, it's the number one reason why people are turning away from the faith or not coming to the faith is really these days it is those cultural issues.

00:21:27.000 It's the issues of sexuality.

00:21:29.000 It's the issues of the sins of our day, as opposed to say more, let's say, theological, philosophical questions.

00:21:36.000 Obviously, you have some of those as well.

00:21:39.000 So started doing that.

00:21:40.000 I had a small channel and had the occasional video do well, but it's really taken off over the last couple of days, which has been really encouraging to see.

00:21:49.000 So yeah, it's a heart of mine.

00:21:51.000 And ultimately, I want to, I mean, I'm a homeboy.

00:21:54.000 I'm a Northern Irish man.

00:21:56.000 I plan to stay here.

00:21:57.000 I want to see Northern Ireland impacted.

00:22:00.000 But I think part of the way we do that is being part of the wider Christian sphere, speaking to these things that are happening in the global scale.

00:22:06.000 And I've been encouraged just that the response locally has actually been really, really good.

00:22:11.000 And hoping to use that for the glory of God here in Northern Ireland.

00:22:16.000 How can people support you and follow everything you're doing?

00:22:19.000 Oh, thank you.

00:22:20.000 That's kind of what you'd ask.

00:22:21.000 Yeah, just search for my name.

00:22:23.000 I'll try and say it Americanly, Jamie Bambrick.

00:22:27.000 If I say Jamie, people will get confused with the accent and think I'm saying Jimmy.

00:22:30.000 So search that on YouTube.

00:22:32.000 Search for that on Twitter as well.

00:22:36.000 I have a little Patreon there if people want to give anything towards it.

00:22:39.000 That's super appreciated.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 16, 2024

The Missed Opportunity of "He Gets Us"

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