00:00:47.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:55.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:03:52.000And we had this session both on camera and off camera where we had some really intense moments of asking questions like a jury would almost.
00:04:01.000And I came away completely convinced that what you have is the missing piece to prove the criminal conspiracy that ended up unfolding that determined the 2020 election.
00:04:12.000This is a key point, Charlie, because there has been, as you know, a lot of claims going all the way back to Election Day.
00:04:21.000And the claims have, in some cases, been difficult to adjudicate because it's like, how am I going to evaluate whether the Chinese are hacking our election?
00:05:06.000And by episodic, I mean it's interesting in itself, but it doesn't show a pattern.
00:05:12.000And it certainly isn't enough to overturn an outcome.
00:05:16.000So what you need, and the burden of proof is on us, those who are making the allegation of fraud, to really have some evidence.
00:05:24.000And I think what's happened weirdly is because the left has been so emphatic.
00:05:29.000This is the most secure election history.
00:05:31.000And there's so much censorship around it.
00:05:34.000And there have been some misfires in an attempt to prove this.
00:05:37.000It's actually made our job more difficult because it's now people, even on our side, even Republicans approach this with a measure of skepticism, like, yeah, really, what do you got?
00:05:59.000So you got to be a little bit careful what you talk about here in this conversation, just because we want people to actually go see the movie and they can see it, 2000 Mules, and it's coming out when?
00:06:09.000So the movie will come out the end of the first week of May.
00:06:14.000We're releasing it in sort of multiple ways.
00:06:17.000And remember, this is the case where we have to make sure that we can't have the rug pulled out from under us.
00:06:21.000So we're going to do a bunch of theater buyouts.
00:06:25.000That's going to be somewhat limited, partly because Regal Cinemas, which is normally one of our partners, is doing a different kind of business model.
00:06:34.000They're not doing the theater buyouts anymore.
00:06:36.000But anyway, we'll have a bunch of buyouts with AMC, with Cinemark, perhaps with a couple of other theater chains.
00:06:41.000So in about 300 theaters around the country, you'll be able to actually go in the theater and watch the film.
00:06:46.000And there's some people who just love to do it that way.
00:06:48.000They're like theater guys and they want to see it on the big screen.
00:06:50.000And they'll be able to do that, at least in some parts of the country.
00:06:54.000We're going to do a virtual premiere, which actually allows people to sort of, it's not on Zoom, but you can sort of zoom in, so to speak, be part of the premiere, watch the film.
00:07:04.000A bunch of us, you included, will want to talk about the film after so people can be part of that and we'll let them know how to do that.
00:07:10.000So all of this will be on the website.
00:07:12.000It's not all up yet, but it's 2000muls.com.
00:07:15.000And then, of course, it'll be available digitally.
00:07:17.000It'll be available through Rumble Locals.
00:07:20.000And of course, that's an uncancelable platform.
00:07:24.000And we'll also have it on the Salem platform that's called SalemNow, SalemNow.com.
00:07:29.000And so those will be two platforms in which you basically just go on the platform, you know, pay 20 bucks or whatever, buy your ticket and watch the movie.
00:07:36.000So let's talk about at least the trailer I think we can unpack.
00:07:59.000Now, a year and a half later, you're trying to say you found something that someone hadn't found before?
00:08:05.000Well, let's talk first a little bit about the phenomenon called geotracking, because the geotracking is actually, believe it or not, better than the video in the same way that if you're prosecuting a murder trial, fingerprint or DNA evidence is better than eyewitness evidence.
00:08:25.000Eyewitness evidence can be pretty good, but you can also have eyewitness evidence where people can argue about it.
00:08:35.000Now, in our case, there's no such fabrication with the video for the simple reason that the video that we're showing in the movie and in the trailer is the official video from the states.
00:08:55.000This is official video obtained through the proper channels, through open records, by True the Vote, the research organization that dug up this data.
00:09:04.000And so the video evidence is very reliable, very good.
00:09:07.000But the geotracking evidence really tells the bigger story.
00:09:10.000And I say that because the video is not available in all the states.
00:09:13.000A lot of states just ignored election rules and didn't have surveillance cameras, even though they said they would.
00:09:20.000And they were supposed to have video cameras.
00:09:55.000So the technical side of it, just in very layman's terms, is this, that our phones, our cell phones, on or off, have inside of them hundreds, if not thousands of apps.
00:10:06.000Now, in the old days, your cell phone would ping off of a tower.
00:10:10.000And basically, if law enforcement or somebody wanted to get data on your cell phone, they had to go sort of check the pings on the tower.
00:10:18.000We're talking about your apps delivering information about you and most specifically about your location, your location in space and in time.
00:10:28.000So it's not just placing Charlie Kirk right here at this moment.
00:11:09.000It's gotten so precise now that you can place somebody at a particular scene, meaning within a few feet.
00:11:17.000And the more important thing is that as you follow what's called a pattern of life, so what you want to do, if you're looking at a million people, you obviously can't follow all of them.
00:11:27.000You need some search criteria to say, okay, I'm not trying to find everybody in the hotel.
00:11:33.000I'm trying to track all the people who went to Charlie's conference.
00:11:37.000And obviously we know that those people were in a particular conference venue at a given time.
00:11:43.000So right there, we're down to 200, 300, 400 phones.
00:11:47.000And this is the key point: you're following a phone.
00:11:50.000Now, obviously, I could give my phone to my wife Debbie, and it could be her instead of me, but it's my phone.
00:11:56.000Each of our cell phones has a distinct, what's called a phone ID, and the ID identifies that as being this particular phone.
00:12:05.000So that's where the fingerprint aspect of it comes in.
00:12:07.000And so what happens is people who are used to doing what's called election intelligence is they buy geo-tracking data.
00:12:14.000Now, you can't just buy it by going to Walmart, but you can buy it on the open market from aggregators who sell this data.
00:14:07.000You could be traveling, but they still know.
00:14:09.000And that's because of the geotracking data.
00:14:12.000So yes, the answer is this is something that's very valuable for the deep state.
00:14:20.000Geo-tracking was used, for example, to track down Bin Laden, not because of his phone, but other people who were in the building.
00:14:27.000And you can see that there's a little bit of this in Zero Dark 30, the movie.
00:14:31.000Geo-Tracking was used to track some January 6th protesters, identify their phones.
00:14:37.000In fact, they went to Google and they asked Google to provide phone data on January 6th.
00:14:43.000Law enforcement uses this every day because geo-tracking is extremely valuable.
00:14:48.000If you have a murder in a park and you identify three cell phones that were in the vicinity of the murder, all you have to do, and law enforcement can do this, they usually go get a warrant.
00:15:00.000They can, in a sense, unmask those phones and the phones will tell you this phone belongs to John Smith.
00:15:06.000And then that becomes an immediate spurt of investigation.
00:15:10.000So it's used commercially, it's used in law enforcement.
00:15:13.000It is actually part of the fabric of our lives.
00:15:15.000They can even get information off your phone if your phone is turned off.
00:15:20.000I'm not sure technologically how it works, but the truth of it is your apps are still delivering information, even if the phone itself is turned off.
00:15:28.000So it turns out that there are all kinds of ways to collect this data.
00:15:33.000Now, these aggregators, and there are five or six of them that are like the big boys in this department, they sell this data.
00:15:40.000And so what this group, through the vote, was able to do is, and they were smart about it.
00:15:47.000And so they said, let's buy data in the five key states where the election was decided.
00:15:53.000And they couldn't even afford to buy the full state.
00:15:56.000So they said, let's just buy data in the big city areas of sort of Democratic dominance.
00:16:03.000And so they chose Fulton County, not just Fulton County, it was the greater Atlanta area, which hits three or four counties, Gwinnett County as well.
00:16:12.000And then they chose Arizona, Maricopa, a little bit in Yuma as well for complicated reasons.
00:16:18.000And then Detroit and Milwaukee and Philadelphia, greater Philadelphia area.
00:16:24.000And they bought essentially what's called a geofence.
00:16:27.000You just put a big circle and say, I want all the phones in this area.
00:16:31.000And once you get them, and obviously you're going to get a large number of phones.
00:18:35.000So they need to go to some left-wing activist center, get their stash of votes.
00:18:41.000And then they're instructed to go to a lot of Dropboxes for the simple reason that if you go to one and put in 100 votes, it's going to look really fishy.
00:18:53.000And so they have a route, kind of like a postal guy.
00:18:57.000And so what you do is you set a criteria.
00:19:00.000I want a guy who's going to go to a minimum in this period of four activist centers, four voter stash houses or five, five, I believe was the number they used, and a minimum of 10 Dropboxes.
00:19:13.000So you're catching the sort of chronic or worst offenders.
00:19:41.000So What they found was that, first of all, there were very similar mule operations occurring in all the five states.
00:19:53.000So, in other words, this is what's significant about this is this is planned.
00:19:57.000We can come later to like, how do we know and who planned it and so on.
00:20:00.000But what I'm getting at here is it's sort of like if five different banks are robbed in a similar form at the same time, it could be that five different criminals just decided, let's do it this way, but it's more likely that there's some coordination among some John Corleone, someone is basically telling his guys to hit these men's in these different areas for some reason.
00:20:23.000So, what I'm getting at is there is coordinated fraud going on here, and its extent varies.
00:20:31.000But we have all the numbers in the movie and in a book I'm writing that goes with it.
00:20:36.000But by and large, we're talking about a lot of mules.
00:20:42.000We're talking about over 200 in Arizona, 100 or so in Michigan, over 1,000 in Pennsylvania.
00:20:51.000The reason we call the movie 2,000 mules is that that's like a lowball count of the mules.
00:20:56.000And so, as just a tangent, and I want to get back to this, this was largely made possible, though, because of COVID and ballots going everywhere and Zuckerberg also standing up drop boxes.
00:21:10.000Zuckerberg did two things, and one of them is he paid for a lot of these privately funded drop boxes.
00:21:17.000But the other thing he paid for, which is very important in this whole picture, is he paid for what I would call election office infiltration.
00:21:25.000And what I mean by that is he offered, he said, I will pay for left-wing nonprofit groups to move into the election offices themselves and help to administer the election.
00:21:39.000You're talking about, this is kind of like saying that while the Dallas Cowboys are playing against another team, Jerry Jones is the referee.
00:21:50.000Jerry Jones infiltrates the office of the referees and helps conduct the game itself and call the place and count the score and make close.
00:23:13.000Think of it this way: you know, if you're going to cheat, and this I think is why True the Vote is so good in this area, because they realized that the cheating is going to occur where the rules have changed.
00:23:26.000It's like if a bank says, you know what, we're going to start, instead of using four security guards, we'll use one.
00:23:32.000And instead of having our cameras on 24 hours a day, we'll turn them off at night.
00:23:37.000And instead of having the tellers do rigorous signature matching, we'll just kind of make sure it's roughly give the benefit of the doubt to the guy signing the check, right?
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00:24:54.000And so I'm not going to ask you to speculate on this, but I'll contribute.
00:24:58.000And you can, I believe it was coordinated.
00:25:01.000I believe there were go-betweens between trying to get Zuckerberg to put the money in, relaxing the laws, and then having the mules on the ground.
00:25:19.000I'd like to comment in this way that, you know, as I mentioned a moment ago, if five banks are robbed at the same time, most people think there are two ways that could have happened.
00:25:28.000The first is accidental, five coincidental robberies.
00:25:33.000The other is, let's call it a conspiracy theory.
00:25:36.000There's a single conspiracy that organizes the whole thing.
00:25:40.000But very often people forget about the third possibility, which I think is actually the closest to what we're talking about.
00:25:46.000It's not an accidental theory or a coincidental theory, and neither is it a pure conspiracy theory.
00:25:52.000I'm going to call it a coordination theory.
00:25:54.000So a coordination theory would be, for example, where you and I, Charlie, do things that complement each other.
00:26:01.000We aren't talking on the phone and planning them, but we are on the same side politically.
00:26:06.000And so we're acting in concert, kind of the way that birds flying to Florida fly and go in a certain formation.
00:26:12.000They're not following an actual script.
00:26:14.000Each bird may simply be watching the bird to its left or to its right and hanging with that bird.
00:26:19.000And the result is a coordinated or think about the way the media suppressed the Hunter Biden story.
00:26:25.000As you know, you can't have, I mean, it wasn't that ABC, NBC, the New York Times all got in a morning phone call and said, hey, listen, guys, here we are on Zoom.
00:26:34.000Let's none of us touch the Hunter Biden story.
00:26:36.000But they're all on the same side and they all knew what they all knew what they needed to do.
00:26:39.000They all knew this is extremely damaging.
00:26:41.000They all knew our job is, in a sense, unofficially to pull Joe Biden across the finish line.
00:26:53.000So they were acting in a coordinated way because they also knew that if a bunch of them blew it and put the story out, it would sort of undermine the whole thing.
00:27:01.000So they were able to act in concert without explicit conspiracy.
00:27:04.000And I think that's what's going on here.
00:27:06.000They realize we need valent balloting.
00:27:08.000Mark Elias needed, listen, we don't need, we want to fight rigorous signature matching.
00:27:46.000And we may one day find out there was a thread that will then unravel this or not because the facts remain the same whether or not there's a bond villain that put it all together, right?
00:28:12.000And just so everyone understands, when you watch the movie, you'll see from yourself what I saw.
00:28:17.000You'll see pings that go from one ballot dropbox to the other all throughout an evening and also going to other Democrat activist headquarters that you'll recognize.
00:28:25.000But then the video came across, Dinesh, which only furthered your argument.
00:29:39.000But it has to be analyzed carefully because you might see a video.
00:29:44.000And a lot of the video, as you know, this is not, by the way, my film guys taking this video.
00:29:48.000This is some poorly positioned camera often recording in grainy footage.
00:29:54.000But grainy doesn't mean you can't see what's going on.
00:29:57.000And in many cases, you can actually recognize faces and there's plenty of room for law enforcement to actually follow up on these things because there's the guy in the video.
00:30:05.000And the other thing is not only is there the guy, we have his cell phone ID because the beauty of doing geo tracking simultaneous with video is the one confirms the other.
00:30:15.000You find a guy going to five Dropboxes.
00:30:17.000Now you may not have video on all five.
00:30:19.000You may have video on box two and box three.
00:30:21.000You look for it at the exact same time.
00:30:30.000So tell me what you're comfortable discussing in this video.
00:30:33.000Well, the first video you see in the trailer is a guy that is just trying to shove multiple ballots into...
00:30:41.000And see, normally it'd be hard to see him because he would have the ballots pressed closely together and you'd have to literally zoom in at a high magnification.
00:30:49.000But fortunately, I would say from a video point of view and from a movie point of view, the guy like drops the ballots, right?
00:30:54.000They go fluttering down to the ground.
00:30:56.000And so then he snook, he picks them up.
00:31:58.000We also realize that the topic is radioactive.
00:32:01.000We're in some ways taking some risk in our careers.
00:32:04.000Especially post-January 6th, everyone gets so touchy on this subject, right?
00:32:08.000I mean, one of the first questions that Salem asked me when I told him about this, they were like, Are you going to be subpoenaed by the January 6th Commission?
00:32:15.000You know, because the Commission itself has become a vehicle of intimidation.
00:32:56.000In the Rittenhouse case, I remember watching a detective and he was testifying, oh no, these Antifa guys weren't chasing after Rittenhouse.
00:33:03.000They were merely running in the same direction.
00:33:15.000And that's why I loved it as a movie guy, because much as I'm fascinated by geo-tracking, to explain something that is technological.
00:33:23.000And I think this is a little bit, by the way, the problem Mike Lindell had, which is that he was talking, he was trying to talk about cyber warfare.
00:33:30.000And the ordinary, you and I aren't experts in cyber warfare.
00:33:33.000You know, you need a panel of cyber experts to adjudicate this, but not in our case.
00:33:37.000In our case, you can see for yourself.
00:33:59.000One thing we don't know is, and in fact, someone in our discussion, and we have this in the movie, people will love this, is he goes, why can't we just go back and pull out all the bad ballots and catch the sounds like Eric Matas?
00:34:18.000And, you know, then Catherine had to say, no, Dennis, you know, once the ballot is taken out of the envelope, now the mail and envelope is signed.
00:34:26.000But once the ballot is detached from the envelope, it's just a blank sheet.
00:34:29.000It doesn't have a name or an address on it.
00:34:31.000So in that sense, there is no way to go back and put the envelope back with the ballot.
00:34:38.000That being said, we don't need to do that.
00:34:42.000We've got the bad guys a different way.
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00:35:50.000Yes, so I guess that's the question a lot of our listeners are probably at in this moment of the podcast, which is what now, Dinesh?
00:35:58.000Am I just going to have to get another ringam or roll?
00:36:00.000What is the action step for the society?
00:36:03.000Um, if they're convinced on what we've said and they obviously trust us, see the movie for yourself, see the evidence.
00:36:08.000But is this like, is nothing going to happen now?
00:36:10.000Well, there are three things here, and there's sort of one piece of bad news and two pieces of good news, you know.
00:36:16.000And the bad news is that the legal window to do something, because I mean, there is a constituency that is like, okay, if we have the proof, let's go drag Biden right out of the White House.
00:36:41.000Why should, if there is proven fraud, why should you be allowed to keep the fruits of your victory?
00:36:47.000Well, the answer to that legally is that there is a window in which the fraud needs to be legally demonstrated, kind of like a statute of limitations.
00:37:39.000But I think number three, we want to constructively direct that anger to, number one, yes, at the ballot box, you should punish the bad guys.
00:37:47.000I mean, if we can wake up America and say, listen, you know, never before in American history has there been a heist of this magnitude, not to my knowledge.
00:39:48.000One of the things that I found a little odd in the now, Raffensperger in Georgia has opened up an investigation based upon Truth of Vote's data.
00:39:57.000But it appears that their investigation, which is moving, by the way, at a, I call it a Durham pace.
00:40:06.000The other thing is what they're doing is they're Truth of Vote told Raffensperger that they got going in Georgia because they had a whistleblower.
00:41:21.000It's going to be up to whoever the Attorney General of Georgia is to look at the evidence and be like, you know, this is not, we're not going to tolerate this.
00:41:28.000And the voters have to communicate that too.
00:41:31.000Because a lot of times Republican legislatures at the state level are a little casual about all this stuff.
00:41:37.000And then if they're caught napping, their institutional energy becomes one of not wanting to be exposed as being incompetent or buffoons and having been outwitted by the other side.
00:41:48.000So they join the other side and kind of maintaining a common front.
00:41:59.000Where if you have an elected official, a relative, if you're running for office and people are saying, remember the media, oh, the election was fine.
00:42:06.000You're like, you sit down and watch this movie with me.
00:42:09.000No, seriously, watch it with me and tell me where you think is okay with this.
00:42:14.000I think it's that persuasive of a piece of content.
00:42:16.000I think it's like SeaWorld ending Blackfish.
00:42:31.000You got 75 million people who believe the election was stolen.
00:42:35.000And if we can reach those people, they will want to wake up and they will know what to do.
00:42:40.000The thing is here also that we take you into the weeds in the movie.
00:42:45.000I'm not afraid of showing people, because most people go behind a curtain, they vote.
00:42:50.000They don't see, just like in a restaurant, you don't see the sausage being made.
00:42:54.000But this is the movie where you need to do that.
00:42:56.000And you also need to realize that there are other offices, you know, the Secretary of State, for example, critical offices, and the left has realized this for a decade.
00:43:07.000Then people like Soros have put a lot of money into winning those kinds of elections.
00:43:22.000They go to the Secretary of State and they say, We're going to sue you because you're engaging in voter suppression and you need to water down your signature requirements.
00:43:31.000And the Secretary of State is a Democrat.
00:43:33.000So the Secretary of State looks at them and goes, You know what?
00:43:40.000You drop your lawsuit and I'll agree to water down the signature requirements.
00:43:43.000So what's going on here is a collusion between two parties supposedly on opposite sides in which the Democratic officials are essentially letting the opportunity.
00:43:54.000Kemp and Raffensperger did that with Elias right before the 2020 election privately in March of 2020, which plays into all of this relaxing the signature standards.
00:44:04.000This is a, but this becomes a bit of an anomaly, right?
00:44:07.000Because you would wonder, why would a Republican, why would a Republican Secretary of State, a Republican governor do that?
00:44:16.000Either were they outwitted by the Stacey Abrams folks?
00:46:46.000Well, I think this is going to be an interesting moment because we've lived with this now.
00:46:52.000And I think the reason we can't go forward on it is that the people who suspect fraud are going to be discouraged from participating in the process unless they believe that something is being done about this.
00:47:07.000And with the movie, you get, I don't claim to know everything about what happened in the 2020 election, but what I am saying is we know enough.
00:47:15.000And since we know enough, that's reason to want to take the steps to prevent this from happening in the future.
00:47:44.000I mean, we're hurrying to get this stuff together.
00:47:47.000And remember with the movie, we put in music, a lot of effects to go in and so on.
00:47:51.000So it's going to be a great experience for people.
00:47:53.000And again, there's different ways you can see this.
00:47:56.000And we're going to make it so that every American, ultimately, I think there's worldwide interest in this because a lot of people in other countries who want to know, they're curious about this issue.