The Charlie Kirk Show - The More Trumped Up Charges, The More Strength with Rich Baris and Heather Mac Donald

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:00:01.000 Rich Barris joins us for a latest polling update from the Republican primary.

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00:00:34.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:35.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:01:16.000 I think one of the reasons I get so fired up about this cartel of criminals running our country, it'd be one thing if they were ethical, had their life together, didn't have grandchildren that they have estranged, and they're not even claiming.

00:01:30.000 These are bad people. 0.98

00:01:33.000 They're druggies. 1.00

00:01:34.000 They're freaks. 1.00

00:01:35.000 They have a terrible pattern of behavior.

00:01:38.000 In some ways, the policies that they are embracing are mirrored with their own incredibly damaged personal lives. 0.98

00:01:49.000 I could pick a random person, a random 10 people, Mesa, Arizona, Alpharetta, Georgia, and Kenosha, Wisconsin, and they would be far more normal and ethical in their personal life dealings than the scum that we have running our country. 0.99

00:02:05.000 I'm not even just saying the ideas are scum. 0.99

00:02:07.000 These are bad people. 1.00

00:02:09.000 They're bad.

00:02:09.000 I mean, I want you to think for a second.

00:02:11.000 If Donald Trump had a granddaughter that he wouldn't claim as his own, could you imagine the media outrage?

00:02:19.000 Let's just that one story that gets no coverage.

00:02:22.000 Joe Biden has a granddaughter in Arkansas that he pretends doesn't exist.

00:02:27.000 Hunter Biden has a daughter in Arkansas that he does not claim as his own. 0.99

00:02:31.000 These are sick, scummy people that deserve justice and punishment. 1.00

00:02:36.000 Not to mention the cocaine and the selling out of the country and the lying and the arrogance. 1.00

00:02:42.000 And Republic, some Republicans in D.C. still do deals with. 1.00

00:02:45.000 These are scumbags. 1.00

00:02:47.000 They're vermin in how they act. 1.00

00:02:50.000 And I don't say that lightly. 0.93

00:02:52.000 I don't like talking like this.

00:02:53.000 I don't say it. 1.00

00:02:54.000 You have to act pretty terribly to get to a threshold where I just think you are the scum of the earth, man. 1.00

00:03:03.000 Selling out the country for cash. 1.00

00:03:05.000 And Joe Biden, we've said this before.

00:03:08.000 He does not love Hunter.

00:03:09.000 He uses Hunter.

00:03:11.000 He uses Hunter's addiction.

00:03:13.000 He uses Hunter as the bagman for his own enrichment.

00:03:19.000 Joe Biden has a four-year-old grandchild he refuses to acknowledge the existence of.

00:03:23.000 He's never met her.

00:03:24.000 And he tells other people he has six grandkids.

00:03:26.000 He has seven.

00:03:27.000 And he boasts about how close he is with his relationship. 1.00

00:03:30.000 Again, Joe Biden is a scumbag. 1.00

00:03:33.000 This is demented, yet the New York Times enables it. 1.00

00:03:35.000 They claim Biden has cemented their family around their grandchildren.

00:03:39.000 That's not true.

00:03:39.000 He's abandoned one of them.

00:03:41.000 This mother wishes her daughter could meet her grandfather.

00:03:44.000 She tells her about how her grandfather is the president and takes her on tours of D.C.

00:03:48.000 She posts photo stories about her on Instagram.

00:03:50.000 Could you imagine how cruel these people have twisted?

00:03:58.000 Oh man, I got to be careful how I say this.

00:04:00.000 There's something really dark in the aura of Joe Biden.

00:04:04.000 Like really dark.

00:04:06.000 You know how evil you have to be?

00:04:08.000 Okay, you have six grandkids. 1.00

00:04:09.000 Your son did a bunch of blow and impregnated a prostitute or a stripper or whatever. 0.99

00:04:14.000 Welcome to the family. 0.99

00:04:16.000 It's not exactly like you have the most functional family ever, Joe Biden.

00:04:21.000 I hope for Joe Biden's sake, he comes in a real and legitimate conversion of Jesus Christ because at Judgment Day, he's going to need it.

00:04:28.000 This is a bad person. 0.99

00:04:30.000 He's an evil person. 0.99

00:04:32.000 Okay. 0.97

00:04:33.000 Rich Barris is with us.

00:04:34.000 Rich, welcome to the program.

00:04:35.000 Rich, seems, Joe, you know, let's just, Donald Trump facing 200 years in prison.

00:04:40.000 He's up 60 points in most polls.

00:04:42.000 What's going on here, Rich Barris?

00:04:45.000 You know, Charlie, this didn't deteriorate his position against Joe Biden at all.

00:04:50.000 I mean, which I got to be honest, you know, did I think at least it would be a temporary decline by some?

00:04:56.000 I think I did, although not a big one.

00:04:58.000 You know, there wasn't one during Billy Bush, but this is something totally different.

00:05:03.000 And I really think the American people get it.

00:05:06.000 They get it.

00:05:07.000 You know, it's not just us.

00:05:08.000 There have been a slew of other polls that show when we ask states, national, is this political?

00:05:14.000 Or is there something real here?

00:05:15.000 Is there something legitimate? 0.98

00:05:17.000 Majorities, big majorities think it's political.

00:05:19.000 And as long as that's the case, then he's not going to be damaged by this, Charlie.

00:05:24.000 And he appears to be the strongest candidate out there on the Republican side still.

00:05:29.000 Now, it's astonishing.

00:05:31.000 Even though he's been charged with more counts than mafia don't, it's incredible.

00:05:36.000 But I think people see that.

00:05:37.000 I saw the president last week.

00:05:38.000 He was in great spirits.

00:05:39.000 My advice to him privately is the same as publicly when he does end up being the nominee.

00:05:43.000 And we'll talk about the primary in a second.

00:05:45.000 He needs to be very forthright.

00:05:47.000 If I win, I'm pardoning myself day one.

00:05:49.000 There needs to be no mystery that he needs to create a referendum on the indictments.

00:05:55.000 And I think he can win 50 plus one on that, right?

00:05:58.000 It's going to take a slog, but if he actually has an opportunity to use the volitional force of the enemy to his own advantage, to jiu-jitsu the whole thing.

00:06:08.000 Do you agree with that, Rich?

00:06:10.000 Is there a window where he could say it is wrong to persecute Soviet-style the leader of the opposition party?

00:06:18.000 All transparency, everybody.

00:06:19.000 A vote for me is I'm pardoning myself day one.

00:06:22.000 He can't do that for what's probably going to be an indictment in Georgia and New York.

00:06:26.000 Rich Barris.

00:06:27.000 Yeah, I would agree with that because you can't give anything the media later than to latch on to to try to once again disrupt or delay or slow down or subvert his administration.

00:06:38.000 I would also just add to that that anybody who's been persecuted like me in support of their ideology is also going to be pardoned on federal charges.

00:06:46.000 So January 6th, prisoners who committed nonviolent offenses, whatever it may be, you know, something like that.

00:06:52.000 I would add to that.

00:06:53.000 I got a lot of flack for saying this when he was first indicted, but there have been instances, Charlie, and I used the Nelson Mandela example.

00:07:02.000 There have been V.B. Netanyahu, who ultimately wasn't jailed, but they came after him politically.

00:07:09.000 And sometimes that results in populations rallying behind.

00:07:12.000 Lula, whether you support him or not, was in jail.

00:07:16.000 The current Mexico president of Mexico right now had to deal with this.

00:07:20.000 Sometimes you turn people into like a Nelson Mandela-like figure.

00:07:24.000 And if you can seize that narrative, which I think he clearly did, again, it's pretty widely understood now, different polling consensuses that have been coming out.

00:07:34.000 This is not going over well with the American public.

00:07:36.000 No, look, it's a risk, right?

00:07:38.000 I mean, saying you're going to pardon yourself.

00:07:40.000 People say, that's Banana Republic stuff.

00:07:42.000 No, no, it's not.

00:07:42.000 Actually, you know what Banana Republic stuff is?

00:07:44.000 What you're doing to him.

00:07:46.000 So, Rich, let's talk about the primary.

00:07:48.000 I mean, I think Governor DeSantis is America's greatest governor.

00:07:52.000 I think he's done a great job in Florida.

00:07:54.000 I think he's running a terrible campaign.

00:07:55.000 Am I wrong?

00:07:57.000 It's one of the worst run campaigns I think I've ever seen.

00:07:59.000 And I do remember months ago we used these.

00:08:02.000 I came on the show and we were talking about the Scott Walker analogy.

00:08:06.000 This may even be worse, honestly.

00:08:08.000 The problem is, Charlie, you can go back to the mishandling of his statement to Tucker Carlson on Ukraine at the worst possible time.

00:08:16.000 And their pollster should have told them this instead of putting out polls that were way outside the mainstream for a narrative.

00:08:22.000 They should have been doing the right thing and telling their candidate.

00:08:24.000 Now the public is looking at you and you cannot mess up.

00:08:27.000 And by the way, it wasn't just him.

00:08:28.000 They were looking at other people running too.

00:08:30.000 They messed up at the worst possible time to mess up and have been messing up ever since.

00:08:34.000 It is amateur hour to over-promise and underperform.

00:08:38.000 Wait till the announcement.

00:08:39.000 Wait till the announcement.

00:08:40.000 And then it became a disaster of an announcement.

00:08:43.000 You just don't overhype expectations in politics.

00:08:46.000 That is a campaign 101 lesson.

00:08:51.000 You don't do that.

00:08:52.000 You made your announcement into a singular event that was going to shift the tide of the race 30 net points, and you overpromised and you underperformed.

00:09:01.000 And that's the worst thing you could do.

00:09:03.000 And it's just been one thing like that after another.

00:09:05.000 You can't afford that when, let's be real, he's not a personal, you know, how could I put he's not a great retail politician.

00:09:13.000 He's not.

00:09:14.000 He's not good at running around shaking hands.

00:09:16.000 He can't go to pizza stores in Cube, in Little Cube, and Miami-Dade.

00:09:21.000 He cannot go to the McDonald's in East Palestine and do what you see President Trump do at Pat's or yeah, at Pat's in Philadelphia.

00:09:30.000 It's very, very different, very different.

00:09:33.000 So you have to rely on campaign, you know, the techniques of how to win a campaign, and they failed him on that time and time again.

00:09:40.000 I mean, we are seeing in certain states Tennessee, Donald Trump has a 60-point lead in the Republican primary.

00:09:46.000 I mean, we've said this for a while.

00:09:48.000 There's going to be a billion dollars still spent on this primary.

00:09:50.000 What are we doing here, guys?

00:09:52.000 The more that people have actually run against Trump, he is opening his lead.

00:09:58.000 This is such a waste of time.

00:09:59.000 He's up 40 points in New Hampshire.

00:10:01.000 He's up 60 points in Nevada and in South Carolina.

00:10:06.000 Like, what is the path here, guys?

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00:11:17.000 Rich, you had a thought, please.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, Charlie, you were just mentioning Tennessee and the path, right, for any other candidate not named Donald Trump.

00:11:26.000 This is where I really get into.

00:11:28.000 I'm a delegate nerd.

00:11:29.000 I'm, you know, I'm a polling nerd, a delegate nerd.

00:11:31.000 Tennessee is a, by the way, which is on March 5th, of course, before March 15th, is a winner-take-most hybrid system.

00:11:39.000 It has two thresholds.

00:11:41.000 One is the majority threshold, which is outlined in Rule 3-2.

00:11:44.000 Getting into all the California controversy with it CAGOP is just flat wrong.

00:11:50.000 But in any event, it has a two-thirds majority threshold, which even if Trump doesn't hit, it still has a minimum 20% threshold to even qualify for delegates.

00:11:59.000 As of right now, the poll you just were referring to, as of right now, nobody qualifies to earn a single delegate out of the 58 available in Tennessee except for Donald Trump.

00:12:09.000 So when it's, oh, and I'm looking at polling, I'm not just looking at the size of the lead.

00:12:13.000 I'm looking at what it means for the rules of these states.

00:12:16.000 On March 5th, there's a lot of states that mirror Tennessee, where Trump is dominant.

00:12:20.000 You have Massachusetts, where Trump is a 45-point lead, also a winner-take-all provisions, which he is polling at.

00:12:29.000 This money that's going to be spent in this primary, I've been saying this for months.

00:12:33.000 It is not true that contested and competitive primaries make for better general election candidates, not when a candidate is a known quantity, which is or an incumbent, which is why every president ever elected has used the full power of the White House to beat down primary opponents to rig the game.

00:12:54.000 So they don't have one that's a serious challenger.

00:12:56.000 Asked Gerald Ford, ask Jimmy Carter, ask Herbert Walker Bush.

00:13:01.000 They waste resources.

00:13:03.000 They also do something very crucial, which is legally expand the amount of time that an inevitable nominee has to wait before they can answer the attacks of the incumbent.

00:13:12.000 You legally can't do that until it's clinched and the nomination is done and wrapped up.

00:13:17.000 So this idea that somehow we're going to test Trump beyond what he's already been tested to make him a stronger candidate is not true even if candidates not named Donald Trump.

00:13:28.000 It's just not true.

00:13:30.000 Everyone in my business knows that.

00:13:32.000 And that is a crucial talking point we hear all the time.

00:13:34.000 It's fiction.

00:13:35.000 You will hurt the party.

00:13:37.000 You'll hurt their chances.

00:13:39.000 I know the game here is to get to a contested convention if possible.

00:13:45.000 Republicans must love to lose, Charlie.

00:13:47.000 I don't know how else to put it.

00:13:48.000 They must love to lose.

00:13:50.000 There's no other way.

00:13:51.000 No other explanation.

00:13:54.000 Maybe.

00:13:55.000 I think that there's this kind of other motive of this kind of, I'm going to be supported by a couple donors.

00:14:01.000 For example, Chris Christie is underwritten by Steve Cohen.

00:14:04.000 We don't know the super PAC numbers are, but we expect anywhere between $10 to $100 million.

00:14:08.000 Right.

00:14:09.000 And is there an element where they know they're going to lose, but they are kind of enjoying this because they're convinced they're on this kind of righteous path?

00:14:18.000 I mean, I get that sense from like Christie as if he's going to be accepted in polite society.

00:14:24.000 I'm not going to vote for Trump.

00:14:25.000 It's very ego-driven.

00:14:28.000 And because of the way that our campaign finance structure is, I'm not even saying it's bad.

00:14:31.000 It's just the way it is.

00:14:33.000 You could be kind of supported by two or three people or even one person on the outside.

00:14:38.000 Rich, these are not serious campaigns, though.

00:14:41.000 I mean, I will say Governor DeSantis, I think, wants to win the nomination.

00:14:45.000 I think Chris Christie is doing it for other reasons, for relevancy or for ego.

00:14:51.000 If we wanted to beat the Democrats, that is not the number one mission.

00:14:55.000 In fact, Chris Christie has said that.

00:14:57.000 He said, I will not vote for Donald Trump if he's the nominee.

00:14:59.000 Okay, so your number one mission is not to defeat the Democrats.

00:15:04.000 People say, Charlie, what is your political mission statement?

00:15:06.000 To beat these degenerate Marxists that are destroying the country I love.

00:15:10.000 Period. 0.98

00:15:10.000 I don't care if you don't like Trump. 0.98

00:15:12.000 He was a great president.

00:15:13.000 Get over it.

00:15:13.000 Christie doesn't feel that way.

00:15:14.000 One minute remaining rich.

00:15:16.000 You know, no matter what the motive is, you just hit the nail on the head.

00:15:20.000 The bottom line is the motive is not, or first and foremost, their mission is not to win and stop the Democrats' agenda.

00:15:29.000 So, you know, their mission is, I personally was slighted by Donald Trump.

00:15:34.000 There are many of those in there, right?

00:15:35.000 A lot of these influencers who feel like Trump didn't help them sell enough books or something when he was president.

00:15:41.000 And then you have others who are former advisors that are upset.

00:15:44.000 They didn't get meetings with him this time.

00:15:46.000 They're not going to have their hand in the cookie jar.

00:15:47.000 And then you have the donors, many of whom I think you're right, feel like they're just high society, Charlie, and they feel like this guy, they just can never connect with this guy because he does something that they never did, which is, you know, connect with the actual voter that they beg for support every two and four years.

00:16:06.000 And that doesn't come first in their mind, you know?

00:16:09.000 So to them, Joe Biden is, you know, is a better outcome.

00:16:14.000 And that's the reality.

00:16:16.000 You know, I look at Mike Pence and he's campaigning in Ukraine.

00:16:19.000 Not a joke.

00:16:20.000 He's in Ukraine, actively.

00:16:23.000 Yeah, he's actively campaigning in Ukraine.

00:16:26.000 And when is the Ukraine primary, by the way, Rich?

00:16:29.000 When is that on the calendar?

00:16:30.000 Might as well know.

00:16:31.000 They might as well get delegates at this point.

00:16:34.000 The Ukrainian primary has been moved up before Iowa.

00:16:37.000 Who will the voters in Kiev select?

00:16:41.000 Oh, yeah, they don't do elections anymore.

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00:17:58.000 Okay, in just a second, we'll be joined by one of my favorite guests, Heather McDonald. 1.00

00:18:02.000 She's terrific.

00:18:03.000 She is the author of When Race Trumps Merit, How the Pursuit of Equity Sacrifices Excellence, Destroys Beauty, and Threatens Lives.

00:18:12.000 We are in the process of connecting with her.

00:18:16.000 And I find that some people are afraid to tell the truth about these topics because they don't want to be called a racist.

00:18:22.000 It's the worst thing that you can be called in modern society.

00:18:26.000 You know, that's actually an interesting thing.

00:18:30.000 Would being called a racist or a rapist do more to hurt your career in modern America?

00:18:36.000 That would be a very interesting question.

00:18:38.000 I'm not saying that with any sarcasm. 0.91

00:18:42.000 I think being called a racist actually does more damage to your career than being a convicted rapist. 0.99

00:18:48.000 That's pretty sick, isn't it? 0.99

00:18:51.000 That you could rape somebody and you'd probably be better off than if you were labeled or deemed a racist. 0.98

00:19:01.000 Well, a lot of the toxicity around the branding of racism is hilarious because the actual policies that the quote-unquote anti-racists are pushing are anti-white, anti-Asian at its core. 0.98

00:19:15.000 Well, the challenging of affirmative action is a step in the right direction. 1.00

00:19:19.000 It doesn't go far enough at all.

00:19:20.000 In fact, the regime of anti-racism is still largely intact.

00:19:25.000 These colleges are now coming out what they call adversity scores.

00:19:28.000 So it's not diversity, it's adversity scores.

00:19:31.000 How much difficulty are you dealing with in your life?

00:19:34.000 Now, hilariously, if they design the adversity scores in a certain way, you're just going to get a bunch of trans white people going to college because they're the most. 0.84

00:19:44.000 And in the black community, they just don't have the same trans rates as, which is a largely suburban white idea pathogen. 0.93

00:19:52.000 I mean, there's still some in the black community, but nothing close to suburban America. 0.98

00:19:56.000 Suburbia is where the mind virus of trans nonsense is spreading at a great pace. 1.00

00:20:02.000 So if they have these adversity scores, so basically, if they have an adversity essay, tell us about your adversity. 0.78

00:20:08.000 You are incentivizing under this new regime, not race, but tell me why you are a victim.

00:20:17.000 Tell me why you should go to Harvard and complain.

00:20:22.000 That is the new regime that is being put into place.

00:20:25.000 That is fitting.

00:20:28.000 It fits the country that we're seeing.

00:20:32.000 Let's go to Cut 26.

00:20:33.000 Harlem residents are not finding out about an anti-racist bike lane.

00:20:37.000 Turns out black America doesn't want a bike lane. 0.96

00:20:42.000 Play Cut 26.

00:20:43.000 Recently, Joe Biden announced he's giving $8 million to Harlem for an anti-racist bike lane.

00:20:50.000 So how excited are the residents of Harlem?

00:20:52.000 A bike lane.

00:20:53.000 Wow.

00:20:54.000 Are you me?

00:20:55.000 A bike lane?

00:20:56.000 We have enough.

00:20:57.000 Haven't you always wanted a bike lane?

00:21:00.000 No.

00:21:01.000 We have a bus lane that the bus is hardly used.

00:21:04.000 You know, I've been asked, Charlie, once the criminals start breaking into homes and you start seeing all this sort of widespread criminality, aren't liberals going to reach a breaking point?

00:21:16.000 And I respond and I say, you really don't understand how pathological these beliefs are.

00:21:22.000 I do not think people understand how hypnotized they are.

00:21:26.000 Here's a perfect example.

00:21:28.000 California liberal says that they have had their house and their car broken into twice. 0.94

00:21:33.000 This is such a left-wing, perverted, sick, and twisted view of crime, as if the criminal is the victim. 0.94

00:21:41.000 Listen to this. 0.98

00:21:41.000 Play cut 24. 0.98

00:21:43.000 Guess what happens when they can't steal stuff from Whole Foods anymore?

00:21:46.000 They're going to be breaking into your car, sir.

00:21:48.000 And you're not too brave.

00:21:49.000 They're going to be blasting.

00:21:50.000 Exactly.

00:21:51.000 I'm not upset over that.

00:21:52.000 You shouldn't be.

00:21:53.000 You should survive.

00:21:54.000 You should be.

00:21:55.000 You shouldn't be.

00:21:57.000 Saying that I had two break-ins in the last year.

00:22:00.000 I'm not upset over this because I know people need to survive.

00:22:04.000 Yeah, that's why they're breaking into homes, to survive.

00:22:07.000 You see, if you view everything through a victim lens, then you have to try to explain all the evil and the suffering.

00:22:15.000 They don't believe people are naturally bad or naturally fallen.

00:22:20.000 Instead, they have to explain it away.

00:22:21.000 And so they, therefore, it's the racism's fault.

00:22:24.000 It is the homophobia's fault.

00:22:27.000 It is the colonialism's fault.

00:22:29.000 It is the ism's fault, capitalism's fault. 0.99

00:22:32.000 And they need to survive.

00:22:34.000 It's not because they want more stuff.

00:22:36.000 They're stealing big screen TVs because they just want to eat.

00:22:40.000 They're stealing Louis Vuitton bags because you just got to earn a day's living.

00:22:47.000 Remember that story, the Lululemon workers?

00:22:49.000 I don't think we covered it.

00:22:51.000 Where the workers at Lululemon were fired because they called the police on the looters and the rioters.

00:22:57.000 We talk frequently about the Ten Commandments and thou shalt not steal.

00:23:02.000 I have a belief about this, that most of the other commandments are actually not except the ritual ones, which is honor your mother and father and the honor of the Sabbath, but murder, coveting, adultery, they're all forms of stealing.

00:23:18.000 Stealing somebody's wife, stealing somebody's stuff, stealing somebody's life. 0.60

00:23:24.000 So thou shalt not steal is the gateway drug to societal erosion and deterioration, period.

00:23:32.000 It seems as if the people in charge of our society have really completely, they don't care because if you steal, you're doing it out of necessity.

00:23:41.000 You just have to live.

00:23:41.000 You have to survive.

00:23:43.000 Instead of saying, no, you're stealing because you're a criminal, because you have not been taught goodness and you must stop it, and we are going to punish you.

00:23:55.000 Okay, I think we have Heather McDonald.

00:23:57.000 So I encourage people to check out Heather's book, When Race Trumps Merit.

00:24:01.000 So, Heather, let's dive right into it.

00:24:02.000 Just how strong was affirmative action before this ruling?

00:24:06.000 And how much better was it to be Black than Asian if you applied to go into Harvard? 0.77

00:24:10.000 Racial preferences were absolutely ubiquitous in this country, in colleges.

00:24:17.000 They gave Blacks advantages over whites and Asians that were enormous. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Blacks were routinely being admitted with test scores and GPAs that would be automatically disqualifying if presented by a white or Asian student.

00:24:32.000 At Harvard, the school itself determined in 2013 that if it used simple academic merit for admission, raceblind, colorblind, its share of the black student undergraduate population would drop from 10% to less than 1%.

00:24:54.000 So basically, 100% of Harvard's admits were there thanks to racial preferences.

00:25:01.000 They would not have gotten in under a pure academic skills test.

00:25:06.000 And Asians had to be multiple times better to even be considered by Harvard and were up against insuperable odds, which they kept beating. 1.00

00:25:20.000 The thing about Asians, you raise the bar for them and they say, okay, we'll standard, you know, and then we raise it higher and they keep meeting it. 1.00

00:25:29.000 Why?

00:25:30.000 Because they have a culture that is incessantly, obsessively focused on academic achievement.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, that would be an interesting, that's the buried lead.

00:25:38.000 How affirmative action made Asians even more pathological about getting good grades. 0.98

00:25:43.000 That's something.

00:25:44.000 And it really is a cultural thing.

00:25:45.000 So let's just go through the gap specifically, though.

00:25:48.000 So if the SAT is out of 1600, what score did an Asian need versus an average Black person?

00:25:54.000 Well, the Asian average nationally is about 1,300.

00:25:59.000 The average Black, this is on a 1,600 point scale. 1.00

00:26:03.000 The average Black is about 950.

00:26:08.000 It's really more the analyses were done by determining deciles of Harvard's admits.

00:26:15.000 And Asians in the top 10th of all admission criteria were admitted at maybe like a 40% rate if they had perfect SATs, perfect GPAs, perfect recommendations. 0.89

00:26:35.000 There were very few, almost no blacks in those top academic deciles, but they would have basically a 90% admission rate.

00:26:45.000 And as you went down to lower and lower tranches of academic qualifications, the possibility of admission for Asians were basically foreclosed, whereas blacks were still looking at maybe a 50% chance of admission. 0.50

00:27:01.000 Geez.

00:27:02.000 The book is When Race Trumps Merit.

00:27:05.000 We're going to talk more with Heather McDonald after the break.

00:27:08.000 This is a consequential Supreme Court decision.

00:27:11.000 It's a move in the right direction.

00:27:12.000 I'll be curious, Heather's reaction, if it goes far enough.

00:27:15.000 And I'm sure she will agree, there is a lot more work to do, especially in federal hiring practices, of this vile, racist, bigoted, and quite honestly, broken system of trying to care about skin color and not on meritocracy.

00:27:30.000 Just the reaction from Joy Reed and Michelle Obama tells the entire story.

00:27:37.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:28:41.000 Heather, how would you grade the Supreme Court opinion, A, B, C, D, or F?

00:28:46.000 Well, I agree with you, Charlie.

00:28:47.000 It did not go nearly far enough.

00:28:49.000 I would say it's maybe a B minus because it did not throw out the embarrassing, creaky jurisprudence of equal protection, which is just a blot on the Supreme Court's claim to rationality.

00:29:02.000 And it left open a very large loophole for colleges to continue their racially apartheid admissions processes by saying that, well, if a student talks about how his race affected his life experiences, of course, colleges can take that into account in their admissions decision.

00:29:22.000 Well, that validates the practice that's already going on under this specious claim of so-called holistic admissions, which is what colleges say: oh, we're not doing outright racial quotas.

00:29:35.000 We're just looking very individually at every applicant and making sure that we take into account the vast wonderfulness and kaleidoscope of his life experiences.

00:29:47.000 So, guess what's going to happen?

00:29:48.000 An already thriving college admissions consulting racket that tells students how to write college essays to play up their alleged victimhood is just going to get even more robust and vibrant as black kids are taught. 0.99

00:30:05.000 Make sure that the first thing in your college admissions essay is to say, I'm black, and this has, of course, resulted in enormous hardship for me.

00:30:14.000 And, Charlie, if I can just say, you know, the fallacy of the left, you talk about the Democratic response, Biden response at Obama, whatever.

00:30:23.000 The fallacy of this is to say, oh, this ruling destroys opportunity for black students.

00:30:30.000 No, it doesn't.

00:30:31.000 The same number of blacks will go to college as before.

00:30:35.000 They'll just go to colleges for which they're academically matched.

00:30:39.000 But we have been taught to believe that a black student not getting into a college because his test scores are too low is the equivalent of a black student not getting into a college because the color of his skin.

00:30:53.000 We're conflating the two.

00:30:55.000 So, any you know, any neutral standard that has a disparate impact on minorities, above all, blacks, simply because their skill levels are too low, now in our disparate impact world gets immediately translated into an act of racism.

00:31:14.000 And that is the fundamental lie that you're combating that I'm combating.

00:31:19.000 Yes, and Thomas Sowell wrote discrimination and disparities, and he tackled it, I think, as effectively as anybody else.

00:31:24.000 There are other explanations besides racism of why certain groups might be performing better than others.

00:31:30.000 Hundreds of other possible explanations if they would dare look into the data.

00:31:34.000 So, Heather, where does this leave us then?

00:31:36.000 They're not going to stop.

00:31:36.000 The regime of anti-racism is still in the civil service, the bureaucracies, and corporate America.

00:31:41.000 This Supreme Court ruling might slow down admissions, but they're going to do affirmative action by other means, as adversity score, as you mentioned.

00:31:47.000 So, where does this leave us?

00:31:48.000 This is far from the end of the cancer, the poison of affirmative action. 0.66

00:31:54.000 Well, there are some policy changes that a Republican president could do if he gets in office.

00:31:58.000 He could try to extirpate the disparate impact standard throughout the code of federal regulations statutes, you know, pressuring Congress to take it out.

00:32:08.000 For God's sakes, take it out of the science agencies, because as you say, Charlie, we do not want doctors who have been promoted throughout medical school and into their professional lives based on race, not competence.

00:32:21.000 This thing is real.

00:32:22.000 It is serious.

00:32:23.000 But I believe, Charlie, that the equally important to the little policy tweaks is to combat the narrative, which holds that any disparity in representation in any institution is by definition the product of racism.

00:32:39.000 We have to get honest about talking about skills gaps and behavior gaps.

00:32:45.000 And cultural gaps as well.

00:32:46.000 I mean, and this is just, I mean, I said this to a group of blacks who called, you know, they were upset at me.

00:32:51.000 And I said, let's just be honest.

00:32:52.000 In the black community or the Asian community, who takes homework more seriously? 1.00

00:32:56.000 Let's just be honest.

00:32:57.000 I'm not saying that's bad or good.

00:32:59.000 Well, I actually think it's good that Asians do. 1.00

00:33:00.000 And of course they do.

00:33:01.000 It's not even a question, right, Heather?

00:33:02.000 In Asian communities, they take homework and being studious more seriously than in your typical black family, because in the black family, you don't have fathers around half the time, well, 70% of the time. 0.99

00:33:15.000 Heather, we're out of time.

00:33:16.000 Just talk about your book, 30 seconds.

00:33:17.000 Just plug your book, please.

00:33:18.000 Well, if you want the facts to fight back against the racism narrative that is threatening our civilization, as I say, it is all coming down.

00:33:26.000 As long as racism is the only allowable explanation for racial disparity, this book gives you the facts to fight back.

00:33:34.000 That is so powerful.

00:33:35.000 As long as racism is the only allowable explanation for racial disparities, we're going to be in a tough spot.

00:33:41.000 Heather McDonald's, one of the most courageous scholars of our time.

00:33:45.000 When race trumps merit, check it out.

00:33:47.000 Thank you so much, Heather.

00:33:49.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:33:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:52.000 Email us your thoughts.

00:33:52.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:55.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 06, 2023

The More Trumped Up Charges, The More Strength with Rich Baris and Heather Mac Donald

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