The Charlie Kirk Show - March 11, 2022


The Most Convincing, Rational Case Against Intervention in Ukraine


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A rational reason why we should not send aid to Ukraine from an approach you might not have thought about: It's not the moral reason, it's something right in front of us that I want you to think deeply about. You might agree that we should go help the Ukrainians, but can we pull it off? Are our leaders capable of doing complex things under pressure for the betterment of humanity?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk Show, a thought-provoking episode.
00:00:03.000 My case, why we shouldn't get involved in Ukraine.
00:00:05.000 A rational reason why we should not get involved in Ukraine from an approach you might not have thought about.
00:00:09.000 It's not the moral reason, it's something right in front of us that I want you to think deeply about.
00:00:14.000 You might agree that we should go help the Ukrainians, but can we pull it off? 1.00
00:00:18.000 Are our leaders capable of it?
00:00:20.000 Do they have a track record of showing they can do complex things under pressure for the betterment of humanity?
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00:01:30.000 So I want to get into a story here that broke late last night.
00:01:34.000 The United States Senate has approved the $1.5 trillion spending bill that expands the power of the IRS and dramatically increases the size and scope of government last evening.
00:01:47.000 But also, it sends $13.6 billion to Ukraine.
00:01:51.000 We're going to get into that.
00:01:52.000 Now, Senate Republicans voted for this.
00:01:55.000 18 of them voted for it.
00:01:57.000 Senator Barrasso from Wyoming, Roy Blunt from Missouri, Shelly Moore Capito from West Virginia, Susan Collins from Maine, John Cornyn from Texas, Joni Ernst from Iowa, Lindsey Graham from South Carolina, Chuck Grassley from Iowa, Kathy Hyde-Smith from Mississippi, Mitch McConnell from Kentucky, Senator Moran from Kansas, Lisa Murkowski from Alaska, Rob Portman from Ohio, Senator Shelby from Alabama, John Thune from South Dakota, Tommy Tubberville from Alabama,
00:02:26.000 Senator Wicker from Mississippi, and Senator Young from Indiana approved Nancy Pelosi's $1.5 trillion omnibus bill. 0.96
00:02:34.000 What good are Republicans when we have Republicans doing the work of Democrats?
00:02:40.000 So I want to focus on one part of this, which of course is us spending $13.6 billion to Ukraine.
00:02:46.000 Now, I'm not going to get into whether or not we should send the money.
00:02:48.000 I've already made my position clear on that.
00:02:50.000 I'm going to ask a couple questions about this.
00:02:52.000 Have our leaders thought this through?
00:02:55.000 What does success look like with this sort of funding appropriation?
00:02:58.000 What is an acceptable result?
00:03:01.000 So a rational way of going about spending money, any person that we have here at NRB would ask the question, before you spend $13.6 billion, before you embark on a mission, you don't have to say if it's the right or wrong thing to do, but also weigh the reality of pulling off that task and the track record associated with the entity or the organization proposing it.
00:03:23.000 So I have a question for all of our listeners that support sending money to Ukraine.
00:03:27.000 Do you have trust in the CIA?
00:03:29.000 Does Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin give you confidence?
00:03:32.000 Because that's who we just funded.
00:03:35.000 Does giving foreign aid to other countries give you confidence or does it give you skepticism?
00:03:41.000 So just to be clear, these Republicans and a lot of people that are pushing for sending aid to Ukraine, and it might be the right choice, by the way, I have said I don't believe it is.
00:03:49.000 I could be corrected, but it's already done.
00:03:51.000 But here's the question.
00:03:52.000 So the same government who let all the 9-11 terrorists in did nothing to prevent the 2008 financial crisis, messed up our response to Hurricane Katrina.
00:04:02.000 They can't build an Obamacare website.
00:04:05.000 They gave billions of dollars of tax benefits to dead people.
00:04:08.000 They spent billions of dollars of checks to the Social Security Administration to dead people.
00:04:13.000 They wrongly locked down our country.
00:04:16.000 They pushed a faulty vaccine on our population.
00:04:18.000 They droned a random family in Afghanistan.
00:04:21.000 They lied about the invasion of Iraq.
00:04:23.000 These are the people that are now saying they're going to bring resolution to what's happening in Ukraine.
00:04:27.000 The very same people that screwed up the Afghanistan withdrawal are now saying that everything's going to be perfect in Ukraine.
00:04:34.000 If you guys loved what happened in Afghanistan, you guys are going to be thrilled of what is going to happen in Ukraine. 0.87
00:04:39.000 Same sort of people.
00:04:40.000 We gave $85 billion of weapons to the Taliban.
00:04:43.000 When we give money to foreign countries, we can't track that money.
00:04:46.000 Quote, the $13.6 billion emergency package for Ukraine includes money for humanitarian aid, defense assistance, and economic support for the region.
00:04:54.000 Lawmakers more than doubled the amount of money in the package over the past several weeks as the severity of the fighting and the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine grew.
00:05:01.000 The money is divided between what lawmakers term lethal and humanitarian aid.
00:05:06.000 The humanitarian section includes $4 billion for displaced people within Ukraine and the estimated 2 million people who have fled the country since the war began two weeks ago.
00:05:14.000 More than $2.5 billion will go to the U.S. Agency of International Development for food and health care support.
00:05:20.000 Another $1.4 billion is intended for migration and refugee assistance.
00:05:24.000 The defense or lethal aid section is $3 billion to support U.S. military's European command aid to, quote, use for Operation Mission Support, deployment of personnel to the region, and intelligence support.
00:05:35.000 Another $650 million will go to grants or aids or loans to the Department of Defense.
00:05:40.000 So if you guys love Mark Milley, he just got a lot more powerful.
00:05:45.000 The Mark Milley, who's teaching CRT, who said that white terrorism is the biggest threat to America, that's who gets more powerful when you want to get involved in Ukraine, just so we understand what's really going on here.
00:05:56.000 And I'm not making an argument of whether or not we should help the Ukrainians.
00:05:58.000 I've heard very good arguments about it, but we're not dealing in that sort of circumstances.
00:06:02.000 The moral question aside, let's just look at the technical question.
00:06:06.000 Are the people running our country capable of actually accomplishing any form of success in Ukraine?
00:06:12.000 Ask yourself that at a very fundamental.
00:06:13.000 When you see Mark Milley, do you think General Patton or do you think a circus clown?
00:06:18.000 The legislation also gives President Biden the authority to transfer an additional $3 billion in defense equipment to Ukraine and other allies supporting Ukraine.
00:06:26.000 That is from national public radio.
00:06:28.000 Let's play some sound here of Mitch McConnell saying that, look, we ended up with $14 billion.
00:06:33.000 He said it needed to be passed quickly.
00:06:34.000 Now, remember, Mitch McConnell never said the southern border wall needed to be financed quickly.
00:06:40.000 He never said that our own border needed to be secured quickly.
00:06:43.000 But if a country is in crisis 5,000 miles away, Mitch McConnell will make sure his oath to the Ukrainian.
00:06:50.000 I'm sorry, he never took an oath to the Ukrainian Constitution.
00:06:53.000 He's an office member of our country, but he sprints and dashes to go help Ukraine, and he never did that to support our own country.
00:07:01.000 Hmm.
00:07:02.000 Play cut 78.
00:07:04.000 Well, let me start by saying if I were the majority leader, we'd be on the Ukraine supplemental right now.
00:07:11.000 But where we've ended up is at $14 billion.
00:07:15.000 An important step.
00:07:16.000 It needs to be passed.
00:07:18.000 And it needs to be passed quickly.
00:07:22.000 He says it's an important step.
00:07:23.000 It needs to be passed, and it needs to be passed quickly.
00:07:25.000 We need urgency to help a foreign country.
00:07:29.000 And look, it's completely evil and wrong what Vladimir Putin is doing in Ukraine.
00:07:33.000 I'm not going to get into the moral part of this.
00:07:35.000 We've built that out completely and totally.
00:07:37.000 I'm just asking the question that for those of you that enthusiastically support arming Ukraine, who's to say the weapons will actually go where they're intended?
00:07:46.000 So we spent $85 billion in weapons in Afghanistan, and now the Taliban have helicopters.
00:07:51.000 They don't even know how to fly, thanks to our taxpayer dollars.
00:07:55.000 So, if you don't have trust in the American elites, if you don't have trust in the people that run our country, what's to say that they will actually be able to manage a successful course of action in Ukraine?
00:08:08.000 If we were not able to properly handle the Chinese coronavirus and we locked down our own country, who's to say that we'll be able to handle a nuclear-armed power? 0.99
00:08:20.000 So, the Republicans that voted for this bill, they just empowered Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley.
00:08:24.000 Remember Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley, people that run the Department of Defense.
00:08:29.000 They just made them some of the most powerful people in Washington, D.C. If you don't trust the government to accomplish basic tasks, to be able to do basic things, then I would love to have anyone contact our show to tell me why you have confidence that they can broker a resolution in Ukraine.
00:08:49.000 Funding Ukraine is very similar to what we saw in the summer of Floyd Apalooza after the death of St. George Floyd when everyone decided to lose their mind for 90 days.
00:09:01.000 There was a push by corporations to go fund BLM because it felt like it was the right thing to do.
00:09:07.000 We obviously opposed it at the time.
00:09:09.000 But then two years later, we realized BLM, we don't know where the money went.
00:09:12.000 They bought homes all across North America.
00:09:15.000 It was probably laundered and everyone got rich.
00:09:18.000 But it felt good at the time.
00:09:19.000 We have to do it urgently.
00:09:21.000 Have we learned nothing over the last two years that when the mass media hysteria tells us to do something, we should probably take pause.
00:09:27.000 And even more than that, are the elites capable of doing difficult and complex things?
00:09:32.000 No, not these people.
00:09:34.000 Not Jake Sullivan, the man who was involved in spying on Donald Trump while he was president.
00:09:39.000 Certainly not Jen Saki. 0.62
00:09:41.000 Kamala Harris has never done anything significant in her life. 0.93
00:09:44.000 Joe Biden, we all know he's just a puppet.
00:09:47.000 He doesn't know he's president.
00:09:48.000 So we have to ask ourselves the technical question, which is, if you don't trust the elites to do things that are basic, why would nuclear conflict be something we'd want to throw ourselves into?
00:10:00.000 I'm open to be corrected on this.
00:10:02.000 If you have faith in our elites, you're going to love what comes out of Ukraine.
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00:10:59.000 Last evening, Senate Republicans approved a $1.3 trillion, $1.5 trillion bill, I'm sorry, omnibus bill, which funds the government through September 30th.
00:11:10.000 It allocates $13.6 billion to Ukraine.
00:11:13.000 It's a 2,700-page bill, kind of a wish list of Nancy Pelosi.
00:11:18.000 These Senate Republicans voted to expand the IRS.
00:11:21.000 The IRS, through this bill, is getting the largest increase of funding in 20 years.
00:11:25.000 So you can thank the Senate Republicans of Barasso, Blunt, Capito Collins, Cornyn, Ernst, Graham, Grassley, Hyde Smith, McConnell, Moran, Murkowski, Portman, Shelby, Thun, Tuberga, Wicker, and Young for your upcoming audit.
00:11:36.000 So when you guys get audited because of your wrong politics, these Republicans just gave $600 million more to the Internal Revenue Service for, quote, enforcement.
00:11:46.000 Something tells me they're not going to be auditing BLM.
00:11:48.000 They'll be auditing everyday Americans.
00:11:50.000 Those are Senate Republicans that were enthusiastic to go fund what's happening in Ukraine, but not so quick when all of a sudden our southern border was wide open.
00:12:01.000 Of course, the priorities are backwards.
00:12:03.000 We can get into that.
00:12:04.000 And again, I'm not making the position that morally we should not help countries that are invaded by stronger countries.
00:12:12.000 But let's just think about this rationally and reasonably.
00:12:14.000 Let's take a step back.
00:12:16.000 So when you have a group of leaders that have messed up every major decision that has implicated humanity over the last couple of years, lockdowns, virus, early treatments, vaccines, masks, immigration policy, and then we say, well, you know what?
00:12:33.000 Now we want to have our leaders involved in the highest stakes thing that we could possibly imagine.
00:12:39.000 I'm wondering for the senators that voted yes for the $16 billion to $13 billion to Ukraine or the people that want us to get involved, what in particular gives you the peace of mind our rulers won't make this worse.
00:12:53.000 So what is the downside of heavily intervening in Ukraine with weapons and ammunitions?
00:13:00.000 Well, the downside could be nuclear war.
00:13:02.000 It's that simple.
00:13:04.000 That is on the table.
00:13:05.000 I don't think it's likely, but it's something that could happen, or a widespread, raging, kinetic conflict.
00:13:14.000 What is the upside of us getting involved in Ukraine?
00:13:18.000 The best case scenario right now is a longer war in Ukraine. 0.94
00:13:23.000 That's the best case scenario, which very well might be a good argument.
00:13:26.000 I have people that come up and they say, Charlie, we got to do everything we possibly can to help Ukraine.
00:13:31.000 Okay.
00:13:32.000 What's the best way we could do that? 0.99
00:13:34.000 And even the best case scenario, what's the chance of the probability our leaders won't be too corrupt or too stupid to not actually have that best case scenario be pulled off? 0.98
00:13:43.000 So we have a question here, which is: if they mismanage this, if they don't handle this properly or prudently, the stakes of the game could go even further. 0.94
00:13:53.000 If we can't get out of Afghanistan after 20 years and we can't properly support a country that does not have a sophisticated military, then something tells me a $13.6 billion funding bill is probably going to be not even a challenge, but very well could be used in a corrupt and wrong manner. 0.64
00:14:18.000 So Lloyd Austin and Mark Milley are the people that are now going to be calling these shots.
00:14:22.000 The very same people that said we should shut down Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan so we lost all air support before we withdrew.
00:14:28.000 The very same people that gave brand new Black Hawk helicopters and tens of thousands of rifles and very heavy munitions to the Taliban.
00:14:37.000 So if we were not able to secure our own weaponry in Afghanistan, who's to say that the weaponry in Ukraine is going to go into the right hands?
00:14:44.000 This is a purely technical argument.
00:14:47.000 But as we build out the kind of likelihood of our people in charge pulling it off, this should be a total pause.
00:14:55.000 However, we've fallen for the trap again, haven't we?
00:14:58.000 The mass hysteria event.
00:15:00.000 Remember, we spent $6 trillion to bail us out of COVID policy for lockdowns that never should have happened in the first place because we were told it urgently needed to be done.
00:15:09.000 We spent hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, to go give money to charities to go eradicate systemic racism, and none of that money actually went where it was desired.
00:15:19.000 And what's been so shocking to me is how few Republicans are willing to speak up and say, wait a second, if we have an unlimited list of a train of abuses and deceit and corruption and ignorance from the people that actually call the shots, wouldn't this be the time for us to maybe say, hey, if Ukraine needs some help, then would a couple hundred million just to start, just to see where that money would go?
00:15:47.000 If that's the answer, I don't even think that's the right answer, but it's done.
00:15:50.000 But there's this massive thing where what if this actually gets worse?
00:15:55.000 And there is this open question of whether or not we are actually wanting to be drawn into this conflict.
00:16:02.000 This could escalate quickly.
00:16:04.000 And this has happened many times before.
00:16:06.000 The Vietnam War started as us sending military advisors and equipment against the Viet Cong and escalated into a massive conflict where thousands, tens of thousands of Americans lost their lives.
00:16:19.000 It's a pretty high-stakes game, and I certainly don't trust the people in charge to pull this off.
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00:17:20.000 Got a good email from Jeannie or Jean from Kansas where she agrees with what we're saying, but she disagrees with the timing of our comments, saying that, look, just because there's corruption in D.C. doesn't mean that we shouldn't help Ukraine.
00:17:34.000 That's the point: who's to say that the people that are corrupt in D.C. will be able to pull off anything meaningful or helpful or meaningful in Ukraine?
00:17:41.000 I'll give you an example.
00:17:42.000 An Inspector General report said the United States wasted billions a year on cars and buildings that were never visited in Afghanistan.
00:17:49.000 Quote, a report released by the U.S. government over 20 years shows that in Afghanistan found that America wasted billions of dollars in the war-torn country on buildings and vehicles that were abandoned or destroyed.
00:17:59.000 In fact, on multiple instances, hundreds of bridges were built just to be destroyed months later.
00:18:04.000 The agency said that $7.8 billion were spent on buildings and vehicles that were never used.
00:18:11.000 Over $340 million worth of buildings and vehicles were maintained in good condition, said the Special Inspector General report.
00:18:19.000 So the email from Jeannie here is: look, people are getting slaughtered. 0.58
00:18:22.000 Now is not the time to do nothing.
00:18:24.000 I'm not making a comment on that.
00:18:26.000 I've already said that there are opinions on both sides.
00:18:29.000 I come down on the side that this could escalate out of control and that these are two very corrupt countries.
00:18:35.000 What I'm instead getting into is what's to say this funding appropriation will make it better, spent properly, prudently, won't escalate the conflict, and the management of those dollars will actually have some sort of desired success.
00:18:47.000 And what is that success?
00:18:49.000 Have they thought through the steps and the moves and the countermoves to this?
00:18:53.000 What does success look like?
00:18:55.000 What is an acceptable result?
00:18:57.000 And if you say, well, an acceptable result is defeating the Russian Federation. 0.87
00:19:00.000 Okay, then that means Americans are going to have to go to war.
00:19:04.000 Ukraine is not going to defeat the Russian Federation on their own.
00:19:07.000 That ship has sailed.
00:19:09.000 You got to be realistic.
00:19:10.000 So it's okay.
00:19:11.000 You want to go spend a trillion dollars and maybe 100,000 American lives to go deter Russian invasion in Ukraine?
00:19:18.000 Then that might be your position.
00:19:20.000 I couldn't disagree more with that.
00:19:22.000 So, okay, I want to get to some more tape here.
00:19:26.000 Representative Rosendale says he voted no on providing aid to Ukraine because of the invasion of our own border and because of how corrupt Ukraine is.
00:19:34.000 I'm playing this because it is rare to actually hear a member of Congress prioritize action here domestically over something happened 5,000 miles away in a foreign country.
00:19:46.000 When your own country is falling apart, I would like to see concentric circles of prioritizing the obligation to our people above injustices happening abroad, and they are injustices.
00:19:56.000 Play Cut 114.
00:19:58.000 When they brought the resolution forward, as you said, it was uncapped, unlimited military, monetary, and humanitarian support for the Ukraine.
00:20:08.000 And there is no way that I was going to support that at the exact same time that we're experiencing an invasion on our own southern border.
00:20:16.000 And so now, I will assure you, the request will be coming for billions of dollars of relief to be sent to Ukraine, which, by the way, everyone has been talking about for the last two years that it's one of the most corrupt nations on earth. 0.85
00:20:31.000 We don't even know where that money is going to go, how it's going to be fully utilized.
00:20:35.000 And I wasn't going to sign off on that resolution.
00:20:39.000 Yeah, I'm really proud of Congressman Rosendale for saying that.
00:20:43.000 And so someone just sent us, Charlie, it's very simple.
00:20:45.000 The money goes to Ukraine. 1.00
00:20:46.000 Okay, you know how stupid that is to say? 0.99
00:20:48.000 That's like saying you get energy by plugging something into the holes in the wall. 0.99
00:20:52.000 Tell me exactly where the money goes.
00:20:52.000 Okay.
00:20:54.000 You just drop it from airplanes.
00:20:56.000 You're just going to drop hundreds of dollars of bills.
00:20:58.000 Now, tell me the organizations that are going to be funded.
00:21:01.000 I'll tell you the organizations that are going to be funded.
00:21:03.000 NGOs, non-government organizations that believe in globalism, open borders, anti-Christianity, LGBT stuff. 0.89
00:21:10.000 No, name the list of the organizations.
00:21:12.000 Do you think that Samaritan's purse is going to get any of that money?
00:21:15.000 Of course not.
00:21:15.000 The organizations that actually might be able to do meaningful.
00:21:18.000 Burisma might get some of that money.
00:21:20.000 Hunter Biden might get some of that money.
00:21:21.000 No, list the organizations where that money is going to go.
00:21:24.000 Meanwhile, I can name the defense contractors that are going to make a ton of money off of this.
00:21:28.000 The missiles that will be purchased, the airplanes that will be supplied.
00:21:31.000 It's the same sort of mentality where people say, no, we're just going to figure it out.
00:21:34.000 Well, that's a lot of money just to kind of figure out.
00:21:36.000 You know, $14 billion, that's a significant sum to go into a war-torn country.
00:21:41.000 What's to say that won't go to oligarchs?
00:21:43.000 Now, for people that have traveled internationally, especially to African countries, when you travel to poor countries, one of the great tragedies is the good intentions of the American taxpayer and how that gets corrupted through foreign aid.
00:21:55.000 You know, for example, U2 and Bono, they'll do all these concerts to go try to feed Africa.
00:22:00.000 Unfortunately, studies show that very little of that money actually gets down to the villages and the people themselves.
00:22:06.000 It gets laundered through government, through governments.
00:22:09.000 It goes to oligarchs and to corrupt leaders and rulers to fund the lifestyles of the world's ruling elite.
00:22:16.000 Ukraine, kind of built into the internal operating system of the Ukrainian mob, is corruption. 0.73
00:22:23.000 I mean, I'm not going to say any names here or else one of my team members is going to get upset, but let's just say someone who has been very close to me, who was born and raised in Ukraine, was even imprisoned in the Soviet Union, he himself says, you got to be really careful sending money to Ukraine.
00:22:39.000 You have no idea where that money is actually going.
00:22:42.000 It could actually make things much worse.
00:22:44.000 Now, if I'm wrong, I want someone to put forward the plan.
00:22:47.000 Put forward the plan that why in two weeks, something thoughtful and precise as far as funding allocation in Ukraine was something that was, that's meaningful, that our leaders are so brilliant that, hey, they messed up COVID.
00:23:00.000 They messed up the southern border.
00:23:02.000 They messed up everything in the IRS.
00:23:04.000 They wrongly locked down the country.
00:23:06.000 They couldn't build an Obamacare website.
00:23:08.000 They wrongly invaded Iraq. 0.77
00:23:09.000 They lied about WMDs. 0.85
00:23:11.000 But in the last two weeks, they found Jesus.
00:23:13.000 They tell the truth now.
00:23:14.000 In fact, they're no longer corrupt and they're brilliant.
00:23:18.000 Overnight in the last two weeks, our leaders, they get everything right.
00:23:22.000 We got an email, quote, in early 2013, my wife and I were in Kyiv and ultimately Kearson for about a two-month stay in order to facilitate the adoption of a special needs child.
00:23:31.000 Corruption was rife and everywhere in Ukraine, including in the judiciary that oversaw adoptions.
00:23:36.000 But life seemed manageable for the average Ukrainian, and they were able to get a U.S. dollar for seven Hirvarni.
00:23:40.000 All transactions of substance were undertaken in U.S. dollars.
00:23:44.000 When we returned in mid-2017, again to adopt a child and again for two months, the post-Maiden pooched regime had noticeably ruined the country with the U.S. dollar now costing $27 to Hervey. 1.00
00:23:55.000 Regardless of the hilarious signs at the Bolson airport, that corruption was actually seen as a status symbol in Ukraine.
00:24:01.000 Quote, people in Ukraine would brag, saying, look at me, I have the latest Range Rover, courtesy of Uncle Sam and the United States government, and you don't.
00:24:09.000 I can break the speed limit or any rule I want to.
00:24:12.000 No one can touch me because I'm connected.
00:24:14.000 In other words, there was a new entitled class built via the means of the U.S. taxpayer of terrible policy emanating from the State Department and the United States Department of Defense.
00:24:23.000 And they were above the law, while the average Russian-speaking person out of Ukraine and the other regions were far worse off. 0.56
00:24:29.000 That's just one example.
00:24:30.000 And we get hundreds of these types of examples.
00:24:33.000 And so again, the moral question is important.
00:24:36.000 Should you help?
00:24:39.000 Regardless of our own problems here, I know a lot of people are enthusiastic about it.
00:24:42.000 We get emails, Charlie, we should just start bombing Russian convoys.
00:24:46.000 That's a very bad idea. 0.98
00:24:49.000 But I understand the gut instinct to want to go help and to exterminate evil.
00:24:53.000 I really do.
00:24:54.000 I get it.
00:24:54.000 I sympathize with it.
00:24:56.000 I think restraint in those regards is probably good, unless you're willing to go into a full kinetic war with Russia. 0.55
00:25:02.000 And by the way, the more involved we got in Ukraine, we totally exported American values.
00:25:08.000 They got more corrupt the more involved we got in Ukraine.
00:25:12.000 The more we got involved in Ukraine, the more American values of corruption got implemented.
00:25:18.000 Okay, I want to play another piece of tape here.
00:25:21.000 Senator Bob Menendez predicted, quote, strong bipartisan support for $13 billion of humanitarian military aid to Ukraine.
00:25:27.000 Play cut 115.
00:25:30.000 Today, I hope on the Senate floor we will pass a $13 plus billion dollar Ukraine bill that will give them more lethal assistance as well, as we see from the pictures that just took place on your program, humanitarian assistance.
00:25:49.000 And I believe there will be strong bipartisan support for that as well.
00:25:53.000 And then finally, we need to keep finding every way to tighten the noose around Putin's neck so that this barbaric war can stop.
00:26:04.000 So you hear that?
00:26:04.000 Senator Bob Menendez says we need to spend the $13 billion so this barbaric war can stop.
00:26:09.000 I agree.
00:26:10.000 We should try to stop the war. 1.00
00:26:11.000 How does supplying more weapons stop a war to a weaker opponent?
00:26:14.000 That prolongs a war.
00:26:16.000 And that might be the right choice.
00:26:17.000 Maybe, you know what?
00:26:18.000 We need to make sure Ukraine fights Russia forever until Russia leaves. 0.98
00:26:21.000 They're probably not going to leave.
00:26:23.000 Putin has no choice.
00:26:24.000 He's only going to further escalate this.
00:26:25.000 What's the off-ramp?
00:26:26.000 Are our leaders thinking of how we could try to broker peace or try to broker further conflict so defense contractors can make more money?
00:26:33.000 Now, I just want to play a tape here that just really frustrates me, if I could be perfectly honest.
00:26:37.000 Okay?
00:26:38.000 It's from a couple years ago, and some people say, Charlie, this is unrelated.
00:26:41.000 It's totally related.
00:26:42.000 It's President Trump saying, quote, we're talking about a wall for our country for at most $20 billion.
00:26:47.000 I could do it cheaper.
00:26:48.000 I need about at most $15 billion.
00:26:51.000 And it'll be better than anyone could ever seem.
00:26:53.000 So President Trump with a Republican House and Senate was asking for the same amount of money, nearly the same amount of money, that our Republicans rushed and were enthusiastic to go send to a country in a far distant land that we do not have an allegiance or an alliance to, that is corrupt, launders money, and full of oligarchs.
00:27:09.000 And yet when Trump asked for it, no Republican leader was willing to fund a southern border wall as we saw 2 million people cross into our country illegally last year.
00:27:18.000 Play cut 118.
00:27:20.000 And we're talking about a wall for 20 billion, 15 billion.
00:27:24.000 I could even do it cheaper.
00:27:26.000 I have to.
00:27:27.000 And it'll be better than anybody's ever seen a wall.
00:27:31.000 And so Trump was asking for $20 billion.
00:27:34.000 And ask yourself, what is a better return on the investment for the American people?
00:27:39.000 $14 billion to Ukraine or $20 billion for a wall?
00:27:44.000 Which is better for your kids and grandkids?
00:27:49.000 Which is better for American sovereignty?
00:27:51.000 Which one is less likely to have the flow of fentanyl come into America?
00:27:54.000 Maybe it's Ukraine. 0.94
00:27:55.000 Maybe you say, hey, Charlie, this is the most important thing.
00:27:58.000 $14 billion is not enough.
00:27:59.000 It should be $140 billion.
00:28:01.000 Doesn't matter we're $30 trillion in debt.
00:28:03.000 We should do it full speed ahead.
00:28:05.000 But before you embark on a mission, you not need to just say, is this the right thing, but also weigh the reality of pulling it off?
00:28:13.000 There's a lot of things.
00:28:14.000 There's a lot of intervention in the world that is the right thing to do.
00:28:19.000 But it might not be the prudent thing to do.
00:28:22.000 I'll give you an example.
00:28:24.000 Liberating the people of North Korea from the dictator of Kim Jong-un would be a moral good.
00:28:29.000 It's not something we should do anytime soon.
00:28:32.000 We don't have the resources.
00:28:33.000 We don't have the ability or the willingness to go invade every country and liberate them from their leaders.
00:28:38.000 Sometimes regime change can get very messy.
00:28:41.000 Things can get a lot more complicated, more murky than just kind of playing a video game and saying that we can easily take this person out, as Lindsey Graham says. 0.96
00:28:52.000 Just assassinate him. 0.84
00:28:53.000 Just take it out. 1.00
00:28:56.000 You must weigh the costs and the benefits.
00:28:59.000 And here's the problem, and here's the challenge.
00:29:01.000 The downside of this going wrong could be very significant.
00:29:07.000 Just some of the emails we're getting, Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:29:10.000 Caleb, my friend from North Dakota, asked, what else is in the spending bill?
00:29:14.000 What are they concealing?
00:29:15.000 We did a short little snippet on that yesterday.
00:29:18.000 It is worth kind of going through.
00:29:20.000 Expanded funding for the Internal Revenue Service for enforcement and to be able to go after tax-paying Americans, an increase in a lot of government dependency programs, a 6% increase across the board for the federal regulatory state.
00:29:34.000 It's a massive bill, $1.5 trillion spending bill.
00:29:38.000 Someone also is asking, is this going to impact inflation?
00:29:41.000 Somewhat, not totally.
00:29:43.000 It's not over the top of what the government spent last year, in a normal year, I should say.
00:29:49.000 But it's not good.
00:29:50.000 I mean, spending $1.5 trillion into the economy is going to increase the debt and the deficit and definitely will not help inflation by any means whatsoever.
00:29:59.000 So I want to go towards one other kind of topic here, which is, does the United States fight to win anymore?
00:30:05.000 Not the amazing veterans and military service people who are just phenomenal.
00:30:09.000 I'm talking about the Mark Milley, the CRT, the woke regime running our military.
00:30:14.000 Do you have trust that if they get involved in a combat theater, that if they get involved in a kinetic conflict, which is what we are doing right now, whether you like it or not, we are now involving ourselves in a war.
00:30:26.000 Supplying $3 billion of weapons is now being currently viewed by the Russian Federation as the United States directly involving ourselves in the war.
00:30:36.000 Now, will that mean we're going to get further involved or less involved?
00:30:40.000 What's the extent are we going to fight to win?
00:30:43.000 This is one of the things that we warned about very early on about the Russian-Ukrainian situation.
00:30:48.000 That in the Russian-Ukrainian situation, if we are not willing to see it all the way through, and the other side is, then we have already lost.
00:30:56.000 This is one of the reasons why we were able to achieve victory in World War II.
00:31:00.000 As soon as we were bombed in Pearl Harbor, as soon as our fleet was sunk on the Pacific, we said we're an all-out war.
00:31:07.000 We're willing to see this all the way through.
00:31:09.000 We're willing to supply millions of troops.
00:31:11.000 We're willing to go into debt.
00:31:12.000 We're willing to convert our entire economy into a war machine. 0.84
00:31:16.000 We're willing to convert our energy apparatus to be able to win.
00:31:20.000 Do we fight to win?
00:31:23.000 Fortunately, right now, the answer is no, is that the way we involve ourselves in military conflicts today is almost under the guise of the same sort of political correctness that plagues our society.
00:31:34.000 The rules of engagement, for example, have been widely changed for the worse.
00:31:38.000 I know many people that have served as SEALs, frontlines.
00:31:41.000 We have Marines that work on our security detail, and they say that the rules of engagement have been so sorely changed in combat theaters that it almost disallows us to be able to fight the way we need to fight to fight to win and eliminate the enemy.
00:31:57.000 All these things need to go into the calculus of whether or not our leaders have the capacity and the ability to be able to achieve what would be called success and victory.
00:32:07.000 Let's get to another piece of sound here.
00:32:09.000 Let's play cut 122, please.
00:32:11.000 We need to pass this bill.
00:32:13.000 If you're concerned about the Ukraine, we need to pass this bill.
00:32:17.000 If you're concerned about feeding hungry people in this country, we need to pass this bill.
00:32:21.000 If you're concerned about child care, we need to pass this bill.
00:32:25.000 If you're concerned about housing, we need to pass this bill.
00:32:28.000 If you're concerned about the high cost of gasoline, we need to pass this bill.
00:32:32.000 And if you're concerned about the threat that China has to this country, we need to pass this bill. 0.92
00:32:37.000 Enough excuses.
00:32:38.000 Let's get the job done.
00:32:41.000 A lot of energy from Senator John Tester to try and make sure that we further involve ourselves in this conflict.
00:32:49.000 So I just want to reinforce this, though, which is the lack of trust that I have in our leaders and our elites.
00:32:56.000 When I hear that the Department of Defense or Mark Milley or the Central Intelligence Agency or the entire security apparatus is going to be given more funding and more power, I get very concerned, and you should too.
00:33:07.000 Have they built up a track record of credibility?
00:33:11.000 If you're going to send billions of dollars, tens of billions of dollars of additional funding into a very contentious situation, you're going to want to see the people who are actually involved.
00:33:20.000 This is an argument that I've used with a lot of conservatives, and they agree.
00:33:23.000 I say, okay, you might want to get involved in Ukraine, but do you actually think the people in charge have the prudence and the wisdom to be able to successfully pull it off?
00:33:33.000 And you know the answer is no.
00:33:34.000 They can't build an Obamacare website.
00:33:36.000 They lied to us from the NIH to the CDC. 1.00
00:33:39.000 The rulers in charge are either corrupt or dumb or a lethal mixture of both with cockiness and arrogance in addition. 0.99
00:33:47.000 So if we ask ourselves the question, what is the prudent course of action for the United States of America? 0.99
00:33:53.000 We must factor in not just what we ought to do, but what can we do?
00:33:59.000 What are our leaders capable of?
00:34:01.000 And I'm very afraid that in the zeal of the moment, under this mass hysteria, our leaders and Republicans might have well gotten us into something that we're going to massively screw up.
00:34:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:34:19.000 God bless.
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