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00:00:51.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:57.000I also want to make sure everyone knows that the proceeds from the book and the docu series go to Patriot Freedom Project, and we'll talk more about that.
00:02:07.000So Cynthia, why don't you reintroduce yourself to our audience and the important work that you're doing?
00:02:16.000I'm the founder of the Patriot Freedom Project.
00:02:19.000I'm also a family member of a J6 defendant who is currently serving his prison time here in New Jersey at Fort Dix.
00:02:28.000He spent a lot of time in the DC Gulag in solitary confinement, denied due process on nonviolent charges.
00:02:37.000I think it's very important that we talk about that because a lot of people are still sitting in jail on nonviolent charges.
00:02:44.000People have been sentenced to lengthy prison terms on nonviolent charges, like Julian Cater.
00:02:52.000Some of the footage we saw last night on Officer Cycnic might have been helpful to Julian before he was forced into a very horrific plea deal and then eventually sentenced to six years in prison, where he's already been bounced around from different prisons since his sentencing.
00:03:18.000And, you know, and these are things that we, you know, we have to keep talking about.
00:03:22.000And until we, until we see all the footage, we're not going to, you know, we're not going to be able to make informative decisions.
00:03:32.000And none of these trials should be continuing.
00:03:34.000And these people should be released until all of this video footage is, you know, is released.
00:03:39.000And in our book, you know, Due Process Denied, and also our docuseries, which is also called Due Process Denied, you will see the fallout and the collateral damage to these families.
00:03:50.000You know, we have a whole chapter in our book that's dedicated to the families.
00:03:54.000And there's several stories about them and what they have been enduring.
00:03:58.000And I assure you, Charlie, when you see this part one in our docuseries and you see some of these children, it's really going to tug at your heart.
00:04:32.000His wife is now working two or three jobs and, you know, and the oldest boy is helping mom, you know, pay utility bills.
00:04:40.000I just got a call from the family recently, just a few days ago.
00:04:43.000One of their cars now has broken down.
00:04:45.000If Patriot Freedom Project didn't exist and we didn't tell these stories through the book, Due Process Denied, that is, how would these people be able to keep their heads above water?
00:04:55.000And Jose is not going to trial anytime soon.
00:04:59.000Right now, it's set for May and it might get delayed again.
00:05:03.000He's been denied bond and they still haven't had a visit with each other.
00:05:08.000You're talking over two years that this man has been separated from his wife and his three incredible sons.
00:05:14.000And he's not the only one in the DC jail that is still sitting in pretrial detention.
00:05:23.000You know, he is being charged with a violent crime, but there's a lot of people, Charlie, that are being charged with a violent crime that did not commit violence that day.
00:05:35.000For example, I'm sure you're familiar with the very large Trump sign that, you know, there was a ton of people standing underneath and they were, you know, walking, you know, underneath it.
00:05:46.000And Ray Epps, the famous Ray Epps, underneath that sign.
00:05:53.000So lots of people have been charged with assault, you know, assault with a weapon, deadly weapon for just touching that sign.
00:06:03.000Jonathan Copeland from Ohio, he's one of them.
00:06:06.000Fortunately for him and his family, he's out on bonds, but he's facing, you know, he's facing a felony charge and that could result in a lot of jail time.
00:06:16.000And, you know, I want to touch on Matthew Perna because when we got connected with Jonathan Copeland, he was in a very dark place.
00:06:23.000And we connected him with counseling and he joined our, you know, our family group.
00:06:27.000And we have, you know, we have weekly meetings and, you know, thank God for the support of the other family members.
00:06:34.000He's been able to keep his head above water, you know, with his family, that is.
00:06:37.000And it's just very horrific and very sad because the media doesn't talk about this part of it.
00:06:43.000They talk about what happened on January 6th.
00:06:46.000They talk about, you know, the overcharging and we need to hear about that.
00:06:50.000And we leave that with people like Julie Kelly and you and Papa Bannon.
00:07:01.000And so that's why, you know, I decided it was really important to do some writing of what I have observed and witnessed and share these stories through our book, Due Process Deny.
00:07:11.000So what I think is important for two things.
00:07:16.000So all this footage, this 45,000 hours of footage, it might not necessarily pertain to every case, but it does help in context of sentencing.
00:07:27.000And this is very important, is that a jury or a judge, a judge more specifically in sentencing, can factor in other circumstances because the judge has a lot of power in sentencing, right?
00:07:38.000Okay, the jury, it's rigged, it's DC, whatever.
00:07:41.000But the judge could say, hey, you get 30 days or you get 10 years, depending on sentencing guidelines.
00:07:46.000And this now new footage that is out there, I mean, I wonder how Many people are in prison that would have much shorter sentences if this footage would have been made public earlier.
00:08:02.000Is there an effort to try to go through this footage for people that are current defendants or to go through appeals?
00:08:11.000Well, you have to, you bring up appeals.
00:08:13.000You have to keep in mind and remember that a lot of these people that were forced into these really horrific plea deals, they're not going to get appeals.
00:08:21.000You know, unless there's some kind of, you know, effort on part of these lawyers, which I know there will be and there could be, and there already is, you know, habeas corpus.
00:08:44.000There was probably, you know, 100 or more people, you know, in that courtroom.
00:08:48.000Julian's family, George Tanios' family, could not even go to that sentencing.
00:08:53.000The entire SickNick family was there, you know, basically trying to accuse, you know, these two men of murder.
00:09:00.000I mean, the judge went on record and he literally had to, you know, tell the SickNick family that they could not really proceed with their statement because they weren't there for that kind of trial.
00:09:10.000These men did not kill Officer Sicknick.
00:09:36.000And it's, everybody in this country should be talking about it.
00:09:40.000So the website is patriotfreedomproject.com.
00:09:44.000If you'd like to see the trailer to our docuseries, you can visit doprocessdenide.org.
00:09:49.000And you can go to Amazon and you can buy our, you know, our new book, Do Process Denied, The Families, The Fallout of January 6th, and hear their stories.
00:09:59.000A special chapter from Jerry Perna on the passing of her nephew, Matthew Perna.
00:10:21.000I mean, just to give you an idea of how crazy the lies are out there.
00:10:24.000No, this is important because then they're able to do what they do because people believe this stuff and they come under this mass formation psychosis.
00:10:34.000You have to push back against lies with the truth.
00:11:32.000You have to check out the Patriot Freedom Project, Patriot Freedom Project.
00:11:36.000Cynthia, let me ask you: do you feel as if that more and more people are starting to care and wake up to the awful treatment and the injustice of these January 6th defendants?
00:12:14.000I was, you know, during our break and I was watching you in one of your interviews, you know, and hearing you talk about, you know, a father being absent from the home.
00:12:21.000I mean, that's what we're seeing in a lot of these, in a lot of these families now.
00:12:26.000You know, you're talking of a young man.
00:12:28.000Let's talk about Jordan Mink, who is still sitting in the DC jail over two years now, just went through, you know, just got took his plea deal.
00:12:53.000You're going to hear their story in the first installment of our docuseries, and you're going to see the pain in this family.
00:13:02.000You know, a young boy who wants to be playing ball with his dad and going fishing and fishing and doing things that young boys should be doing with their fathers.
00:14:00.000No, meaning on the government's fault.
00:14:02.000I think they want to show an example of lives destroyed and of people of a certain political worldview absolutely and totally crushed.
00:14:13.000We're about to get this video, but a bunch of Republican senators were asked what they thought of Tucker's expose last evening, and they're not convinced.
00:14:22.000In fact, Senator Tillis from North Carolina says, I think it's BS, and we'll play that clip.
00:16:00.000I was down there and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things, but when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted.
00:16:10.000The Republicans are the ones that are pushing the narrative now.
00:16:36.000And the American people, specifically Trump supporters, they were used as bait to try to keep President Trump from running for office again.
00:16:44.000And we talk about that in our book and we talk about it in our docuseries.
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00:18:17.000And there is an incredibly important Wisconsin Supreme Court race coming up that could determine the fate of the 2024 election as far as ballot harvesting and signature verification.
00:18:29.000So joining us now is Daniel Kelly, who is running to become a justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
00:18:36.000He also served on the Wisconsin Supreme Court from 2016, 2020.
00:18:57.000This is going to be an election, I think, like no other, because I have an opponent like no other.
00:19:02.000What's at stake here is the difference between the rule of law and the rule of January Proto-Sevas, my opponents.
00:19:10.000See, she's made it abundantly clear that if she's elected, she intends to place herself above the law.
00:19:16.000She's even gone so far as to say that she would place her thumb on the scales of justice to make sure that cases are resolved according to her personal values.
00:19:26.000Now, Charlie, you know as well as I do that a thumb on the scale is the oldest picture of dishonesty that we have available to us in our culture.
00:19:38.000And she's telling the people of Wisconsin in advance that she plans, if she makes it to the Supreme Court, she plans to be dishonest in the way she uses the authority the people of Wisconsin have loaned us on the Supreme Court.
00:19:51.000And I think that's just a travesty, and it would be the end of justice in our judicial system.
00:19:57.000Now, I know that the proper role of the court is simply to use the existing law to decide the cases that come before us without regard to personal values or personal politics.
00:20:07.000That's how you preserve the rule of law.
00:20:09.000But she wants to swap that out for the rule of Janet.
00:20:25.000So this is important because the constitutional order that we respect needs judges that do the opposite of putting their thumb on the scale.
00:20:43.000They are measured, but they're not biased.
00:20:47.000You're trying to tell me your opponent has said vocally that she's going to use her position to try to get some form of, I guess they would call it equity or some sort of thumb on the scale.
00:21:09.000And this is why I say she's an opponent like no other.
00:21:11.000I don't know of any judicial candidate in the history of the country who's come out and said that she would put her thumb on the scales of justice.
00:21:45.000She's a politician dressed up like a judge, but she is no judge.
00:21:50.000She would, she want, I mean, it appears to me that either she doesn't understand the distinction between the court and the legislature, or she just doesn't care.
00:22:00.000I mean, in our constitutional form of government, we address political questions in the legislature.
00:22:06.000And in the courts, we address only legal questions.
00:22:10.000So in this race, I'm the only one that's talking about the Constitution, the rule of law, how to handle constitutional principles, statutory construction, and all the work of an actual justice.
00:22:23.000She's out there talking about the legislature's job, but promising people that she's going to do that on the court if they put her there.
00:22:30.000So I just want to re-emphasize how important this race is.
00:22:34.000This is Wisconsin, of which it is the battleground state of Battleground States.
00:22:39.000And there is this Supreme Court seat that vacancy that needs to be filled.
00:22:57.000So Pat Rogensack, who has served the state well for the last 20 years, this is the last year in her term and she's decided not to run for re-election.
00:23:07.000And so the way our court is typically scored, it is a four to three constitutionalist versus activist.
00:23:17.000And Pat Rogensack is one of those who understands her job is just to apply the law and not make it up as she goes along.
00:23:25.000So this election, if it goes badly, could flip the court to an activist majority.
00:23:33.000And given that my opponent has the endorsement of the three activists already on the court, one can be pretty certain of what would happen if she's successful.
00:23:46.000So we're trying to make sure that doesn't happen because we need to preserve the rule of law.
00:24:34.000You know, when she says, it's remarkable to me, when she says, and she will say this frequently, that she's running to get politics out of the courtroom, and then she will immediately run down her list of political outcomes that she wants to achieve.
00:24:48.000Now, I don't know who she thinks she's fooling with this, but it's not me, and it's not the rest of our fellow Wisconsinites.
00:24:56.000So can you speak for a second to the amount of money that is flooding into this race?
00:25:17.000So one of the things that's actually, in a way, encouraging to me because it tells me that my fellow Wisconsinites aren't buying this bill of goods that she's trying to sell.
00:26:00.000And we're just going about our business.
00:26:02.000And then the rest of the country pours in, makes this the most expensive judicial race in the history of the country.
00:26:11.000And they're doing it in an effort to turn our court into a haven for judicial activism.
00:26:18.000So four lawyers, four progressive lawyers sitting in a Madison courtroom can dictate to the people of Wisconsin what their laws are going to be.
00:26:26.000Now, I find that incredibly condescending to my fellow Wisconsinites.
00:26:30.000What they're saying is they don't trust Wisconsinites to develop their own laws in conjunction with the legislature.
00:26:38.000They instead believe that their job on the court is to look down their nose to the rest of our fellow Wisconsinites and dictate to them what their laws can and cannot be.
00:26:48.000So let me ask you just for a second here, how much money is being spent on this race?
00:27:18.000And, you know, I'm not terribly concerned about that.
00:27:21.000I want all of our fellow Wisconsinites to hear the garbage that she's trying to pitch because I'm betting that folks here, they still do love their liberties.
00:28:03.000And she says this raises serious red flags about my ability to serve the public in state office.
00:28:10.000Now, first off, of course, that's it's just laughable on its face because I've already served the people of Wisconsin as one of their Supreme Court justices.
00:28:23.000But beyond that, it is outrageous because, as with the United States Constitution, our Constitution also has a provision that says that there shall be no religious tasks for public office.
00:31:33.000I want an answer from Chuck Hugh Schumer.
00:31:35.000I want an answer from any one of them.
00:31:37.000What about the fact that Capitol Police acted as docents to the man that was plastered over every major newspaper as some violent insurrectionist?
00:31:48.000It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at Capitol thinks.
00:32:03.000Okay, did your chief law enforcement official mention the fact that nine of his Capitol police were tour guides to the insurrectionists?
00:32:10.000That's a pretty amazing piece of evidence, isn't it?
00:32:13.000And then Republican after Republican after Republican says it's BS, it's nonsense.
00:32:28.000I was down there, and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things.
00:32:33.000But when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted, and Chuck Hugh Schumer just going all in saying, you know what?
00:32:42.000We just got to ban Tucker Carlson from TV.
00:32:44.000Not banned, but we got to prevent him.
00:32:45.000He should not be allowed to broadcast anymore.
00:32:48.000Tucker Carlson has these people really nervous.
00:32:52.000This shows how critical the January 6th narrative is to all the Uniparty goals.
00:33:11.000Tucker Carlson is a propagandist publicly pretending to be a newsman.
00:33:17.000We know that we know that Fox News knows that Rupert Murdoch knows and that he knows that they're liars, that they're propagandists, that they're destroying America for some kind of monetary or other advantage.
00:33:52.000They're everywhere because they're nervous that the big lie that our government was almost taken over by insurrectionists, it's falling apart.