The Charlie Kirk Show - The Most Important Election of 2023 with Cynthia Hughes and Justice Dan Kelley

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00:01:20.000 It's a very disturbing pattern of facts that are emerging regarding the January 6th defendants.

00:01:27.000 And someone who has dedicated her work really beautifully is Cynthia Hughes.

00:01:33.000 She is the author of a new book, Due Process Denied: The Detained, The Families, The Fallout.

00:01:41.000 And boy, is this newsy, given all the recent revelations that Tucker and Kevin McCarthy have made public.

00:01:49.000 And Cynthia joins us right now.

00:01:51.000 Cynthia, welcome to the program.

00:01:53.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:01:54.000 Thank you for having me back.

00:01:55.000 It's nice to see you.

00:01:56.000 Nice to see you again.

00:01:57.000 I also want to make sure everyone knows that the proceeds from the book and the docu series go to Patriot Freedom Project, and we'll talk more about that.

00:02:07.000 So Cynthia, why don't you reintroduce yourself to our audience and the important work that you're doing?

00:02:14.000 So my name is Cynthia Hughes.

00:02:16.000 I'm the founder of the Patriot Freedom Project.

00:02:19.000 I'm also a family member of a J6 defendant who is currently serving his prison time here in New Jersey at Fort Dix.

00:02:28.000 He spent a lot of time in the DC Gulag in solitary confinement, denied due process on nonviolent charges.

00:02:37.000 I think it's very important that we talk about that because a lot of people are still sitting in jail on nonviolent charges.

00:02:44.000 People have been sentenced to lengthy prison terms on nonviolent charges, like Julian Cater.

00:02:52.000 Some of the footage we saw last night on Officer Cycnic might have been helpful to Julian before he was forced into a very horrific plea deal and then eventually sentenced to six years in prison, where he's already been bounced around from different prisons since his sentencing.

00:03:08.000 And it's really, really very sad.

00:03:09.000 He's being sued by the government.

00:03:12.000 And, you know, we I just lost my lighting.

00:03:16.000 I'm sorry.

00:03:18.000 And, you know, and these are things that we, you know, we have to keep talking about.

00:03:22.000 And until we, until we see all the footage, we're not going to, you know, we're not going to be able to make informative decisions.

00:03:32.000 And none of these trials should be continuing.

00:03:34.000 And these people should be released until all of this video footage is, you know, is released.

00:03:39.000 And in our book, you know, Due Process Denied, and also our docuseries, which is also called Due Process Denied, you will see the fallout and the collateral damage to these families.

00:03:50.000 You know, we have a whole chapter in our book that's dedicated to the families.

00:03:54.000 And there's several stories about them and what they have been enduring.

00:03:58.000 And I assure you, Charlie, when you see this part one in our docuseries and you see some of these children, it's really going to tug at your heart.

00:04:05.000 It's very sad what has happened here.

00:04:08.000 So, Cynthia, let me ask, how many people, if any, are still in pre-trial detention?

00:04:13.000 Are there still people there?

00:04:15.000 Yes, there are still people in pre-trial detention.

00:04:19.000 It's been two years.

00:04:21.000 You're right.

00:04:22.000 You're right.

00:04:22.000 Let's talk about Jose Padilla.

00:04:24.000 Jose Padilla has been in the DC jail since January of 2021 or maybe February of 2021.

00:04:30.000 He has three sons.

00:04:32.000 His wife is now working two or three jobs and, you know, and the oldest boy is helping mom, you know, pay utility bills.

00:04:40.000 I just got a call from the family recently, just a few days ago.

00:04:43.000 One of their cars now has broken down.

00:04:45.000 If Patriot Freedom Project didn't exist and we didn't tell these stories through the book, Due Process Denied, that is, how would these people be able to keep their heads above water?

00:04:55.000 And Jose is not going to trial anytime soon.

00:04:59.000 Right now, it's set for May and it might get delayed again.

00:05:03.000 He's been denied bond and they still haven't had a visit with each other.

00:05:08.000 You're talking over two years that this man has been separated from his wife and his three incredible sons.

00:05:14.000 And he's not the only one in the DC jail that is still sitting in pretrial detention.

00:05:19.000 So what is he being charged with?

00:05:23.000 You know, he is being charged with a violent crime, but there's a lot of people, Charlie, that are being charged with a violent crime that did not commit violence that day.

00:05:33.000 Yeah, I believe that.

00:05:35.000 For example, I'm sure you're familiar with the very large Trump sign that, you know, there was a ton of people standing underneath and they were, you know, walking, you know, underneath it.

00:05:46.000 And Ray Epps, the famous Ray Epps, underneath that sign.

00:05:51.000 We're aware.

00:05:52.000 Yeah.

00:05:53.000 So lots of people have been charged with assault, you know, assault with a weapon, deadly weapon for just touching that sign.

00:06:03.000 Jonathan Copeland from Ohio, he's one of them.

00:06:06.000 Fortunately for him and his family, he's out on bonds, but he's facing, you know, he's facing a felony charge and that could result in a lot of jail time.

00:06:16.000 And, you know, I want to touch on Matthew Perna because when we got connected with Jonathan Copeland, he was in a very dark place.

00:06:23.000 And we connected him with counseling and he joined our, you know, our family group.

00:06:27.000 And we have, you know, we have weekly meetings and, you know, thank God for the support of the other family members.

00:06:34.000 He's been able to keep his head above water, you know, with his family, that is.

00:06:37.000 And it's just very horrific and very sad because the media doesn't talk about this part of it.

00:06:43.000 They talk about what happened on January 6th.

00:06:46.000 They talk about, you know, the overcharging and we need to hear about that.

00:06:50.000 And we leave that with people like Julie Kelly and you and Papa Bannon.

00:06:55.000 We need that covered.

00:06:57.000 But we also need covered where the fallout is.

00:07:00.000 And that is what the families.

00:07:01.000 And so that's why, you know, I decided it was really important to do some writing of what I have observed and witnessed and share these stories through our book, Due Process Deny.

00:07:11.000 So what I think is important for two things.

00:07:16.000 So all this footage, this 45,000 hours of footage, it might not necessarily pertain to every case, but it does help in context of sentencing.

00:07:27.000 And this is very important, is that a jury or a judge, a judge more specifically in sentencing, can factor in other circumstances because the judge has a lot of power in sentencing, right?

00:07:38.000 Okay, the jury, it's rigged, it's DC, whatever.

00:07:41.000 But the judge could say, hey, you get 30 days or you get 10 years, depending on sentencing guidelines.

00:07:46.000 And this now new footage that is out there, I mean, I wonder how Many people are in prison that would have much shorter sentences if this footage would have been made public earlier.

00:08:02.000 Is there an effort to try to go through this footage for people that are current defendants or to go through appeals?

00:08:09.000 What is the plan there?

00:08:11.000 Well, you have to, you bring up appeals.

00:08:13.000 You have to keep in mind and remember that a lot of these people that were forced into these really horrific plea deals, they're not going to get appeals.

00:08:20.000 No, I know.

00:08:21.000 You know, unless there's some kind of, you know, effort on part of these lawyers, which I know there will be and there could be, and there already is, you know, habeas corpus.

00:08:31.000 I don't know.

00:08:33.000 But, you know, I'll go back to Julian Cater.

00:08:35.000 I mean, he just was recently sentenced.

00:08:37.000 And I don't know if you know much about his sentencing, but I mean, there was a lot of credit.

00:08:43.000 Yeah.

00:08:44.000 There was probably, you know, 100 or more people, you know, in that courtroom.

00:08:48.000 Julian's family, George Tanios' family, could not even go to that sentencing.

00:08:53.000 The entire SickNick family was there, you know, basically trying to accuse, you know, these two men of murder.

00:09:00.000 I mean, the judge went on record and he literally had to, you know, tell the SickNick family that they could not really proceed with their statement because they weren't there for that kind of trial.

00:09:10.000 These men did not kill Officer Sicknick.

00:09:13.000 It's tragic what happened to him.

00:09:15.000 We know that it was, you know, natural causes.

00:09:17.000 And now we know even more.

00:09:18.000 We saw him walking around in the footage last night that Tucker aired.

00:09:24.000 And, you know, and now Julian is going to be six years in prison.

00:09:27.000 You know, George Tanios has, you know, three children, another one on the way.

00:09:31.000 He lost his business.

00:09:32.000 This is not okay.

00:09:34.000 People's lives are decimated by this.

00:09:36.000 And it's, everybody in this country should be talking about it.

00:09:40.000 So the website is patriotfreedomproject.com.

00:09:44.000 If you'd like to see the trailer to our docuseries, you can visit doprocessdenide.org.

00:09:49.000 And you can go to Amazon and you can buy our, you know, our new book, Do Process Denied, The Families, The Fallout of January 6th, and hear their stories.

00:09:59.000 A special chapter from Jerry Perna on the passing of her nephew, Matthew Perna.

00:10:05.000 It's a great read.

00:10:06.000 I really encourage everybody to go and purchase it.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, I was recently talking with a lefty and he said January 6th was the worst thing ever.

00:10:15.000 I said, how many people do you think are committed violent crimes?

00:10:20.000 He said, well, at least 4,000 people.

00:10:21.000 I mean, just to give you an idea of how crazy the lies are out there.

00:10:24.000 No, this is important because then they're able to do what they do because people believe this stuff and they come under this mass formation psychosis.

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00:11:31.000 Cynthia Hughes is with us.

00:11:32.000 You have to check out the Patriot Freedom Project, Patriot Freedom Project.

00:11:36.000 Cynthia, let me ask you: do you feel as if that more and more people are starting to care and wake up to the awful treatment and the injustice of these January 6th defendants?

00:11:49.000 Are you feeling hopeful?

00:11:51.000 I mean, you know, Charlie, you and I are both, you know, we're very faithful people, right?

00:11:55.000 So you have to, you have to have hope.

00:11:57.000 And that's the only way through, you know, a crisis like this, right?

00:12:02.000 Am I seeing a turn of the tide?

00:12:05.000 I mean, I guess maybe a little bit, but not as much as I would like to at this point.

00:12:13.000 You have fathers.

00:12:14.000 I was, you know, during our break and I was watching you in one of your interviews, you know, and hearing you talk about, you know, a father being absent from the home.

00:12:21.000 I mean, that's what we're seeing in a lot of these, in a lot of these families now.

00:12:26.000 You know, you're talking of a young man.

00:12:28.000 Let's talk about Jordan Mink, who is still sitting in the DC jail over two years now, just went through, you know, just got took his plea deal.

00:12:38.000 He's got a young son at home.

00:12:40.000 And, you know, his fiancé, she's a wonderful mother and they have great support, but you still have a young boy, a very impressionable age, separated from his father.

00:12:53.000 You're going to hear their story in the first installment of our docuseries, and you're going to see the pain in this family.

00:13:02.000 You know, a young boy who wants to be playing ball with his dad and going fishing and fishing and doing things that young boys should be doing with their fathers.

00:13:11.000 Same thing with the Padilla family.

00:13:13.000 You're going to see about them and you're going to hear from his boys in the docuseries as well.

00:13:18.000 You're talking three teenage boys separated from their father.

00:13:26.000 How do we fix this?

00:13:27.000 Can we fix this?

00:13:28.000 The damage is, I don't know if it's repairable at this point, Charlie, but we need to be talking about this.

00:13:35.000 It's important to talk about what happened on January 6th, why January 6th happened.

00:13:40.000 We know it was a total inside job.

00:13:42.000 We know who really is responsible for January 6th, but we need to start talking about the detriment to these families, to these women. 1.00

00:13:49.000 They're working two jobs. 1.00

00:13:51.000 There's health insurance that has been lost to these families.

00:13:54.000 There's so much fallout.

00:13:55.000 And we talk about that.

00:13:56.000 I hate to say it, Cynthia.

00:13:57.000 I think the cruelty is the point.

00:13:59.000 I really do.

00:14:00.000 No, meaning on the government's fault.

00:14:02.000 I think they want to show an example of lives destroyed and of people of a certain political worldview absolutely and totally crushed.

00:14:13.000 We're about to get this video, but a bunch of Republican senators were asked what they thought of Tucker's expose last evening, and they're not convinced.

00:14:22.000 In fact, Senator Tillis from North Carolina says, I think it's BS, and we'll play that clip.

00:14:27.000 And it's just, it's incredibly disappointing.

00:14:30.000 What is the best way people can help?

00:14:31.000 Financial support, obviously, buy the book, prayers, empower our audience, give them some calls to action.

00:14:39.000 So, you know, Charlie, it's not easy to stand up and, you know, and ask for money, but that's really what we need.

00:14:47.000 You know, let's talk about these lawyers, for example.

00:14:51.000 The separation and the time away from their wife, their home, their children.

00:14:55.000 You know, we have some lawyers, you know, Attorney McBride, you know, he's got two young children, babies.

00:15:02.000 You know, one was recently, you know, sick with a little ear infection and he wanted his daddy and Joe was working on a big case.

00:15:11.000 We have to support.

00:15:12.000 We have to help the lawyers.

00:15:13.000 We have to obviously, and most important, help the families, the children.

00:15:18.000 You know, we have a J6 kid that was just in the hospital for three weeks.

00:15:22.000 Something very tragic happened with this child, 11 years old.

00:15:25.000 And, you know, we were able to help that mom so she could take time off from work and pay her rent for her.

00:15:32.000 Patriot Freedom Project. 0.96

00:15:34.000 Check it out.

00:15:34.000 Okay.

00:15:35.000 I want to play this piece of tape.

00:15:36.000 This is Senator Kramer, who says it's a lie.

00:15:40.000 We're live on radio in North Dakota, by the way.

00:15:42.000 This will make some news.

00:15:44.000 This is Senator Tim Tillis, Tom Tillis, who says it's BS.

00:15:48.000 Are your Republican senators reacting to Tucker Carlson?

00:15:51.000 Who needs Chuck U. Schumer when you have Republicans like this play cut 52?

00:15:57.000 Is this a lie? 1.00

00:15:59.000 I think it's bullshit. 0.99

00:16:00.000 I was down there and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things, but when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted. 0.99

00:16:10.000 The Republicans are the ones that are pushing the narrative now.

00:16:14.000 Close out the argument, please.

00:16:16.000 I mean, the clip speaks for itself.

00:16:18.000 I mean, this is not a Democratic, you know, Republican thing.

00:16:22.000 This is a Trump thing.

00:16:23.000 This is forces to stop Trump at all costs.

00:16:28.000 And his supporters.

00:16:28.000 That's right.

00:16:29.000 And his supporters.

00:16:30.000 That's right.

00:16:31.000 The American people were used as bait. 1.00

00:16:33.000 January 6th was an absolute setup.

00:16:35.000 We all know it, Charlie.

00:16:36.000 And the American people, specifically Trump supporters, they were used as bait to try to keep President Trump from running for office again.

00:16:44.000 And we talk about that in our book and we talk about it in our docuseries.

00:16:48.000 Some important people are in our episode one, Patriot Freedom Project.

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00:17:59.000 Wisconsin is one of my favorite places on the planet, having grown up in northern Illinois.

00:18:04.000 I love the Midwest, and I am very afraid the left is trying to complete a total takeover of the Midwest.

00:18:12.000 But Wisconsin values are strong.

00:18:14.000 They're pro-family.

00:18:15.000 They're pro-faith.

00:18:15.000 They're pro-liberty.

00:18:17.000 And there is an incredibly important Wisconsin Supreme Court race coming up that could determine the fate of the 2024 election as far as ballot harvesting and signature verification.

00:18:29.000 So joining us now is Daniel Kelly, who is running to become a justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

00:18:36.000 He also served on the Wisconsin Supreme Court from 2016, 2020.

00:18:41.000 Mr. Kelly, welcome to the program.

00:18:43.000 Charlie, thank you so much for having me on your show.

00:18:45.000 I appreciate it.

00:18:46.000 Thank you.

00:18:47.000 So congratulations on getting through the primary.

00:18:50.000 Now you're in the general.

00:18:51.000 Tell our audience about your race and the stakes of this race.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, so it could hardly be higher.

00:18:57.000 This is going to be an election, I think, like no other, because I have an opponent like no other.

00:19:02.000 What's at stake here is the difference between the rule of law and the rule of January Proto-Sevas, my opponents. 0.98

00:19:10.000 See, she's made it abundantly clear that if she's elected, she intends to place herself above the law. 0.87

00:19:16.000 She's even gone so far as to say that she would place her thumb on the scales of justice to make sure that cases are resolved according to her personal values.

00:19:26.000 Now, Charlie, you know as well as I do that a thumb on the scale is the oldest picture of dishonesty that we have available to us in our culture.

00:19:35.000 It is profoundly dishonest.

00:19:38.000 And she's telling the people of Wisconsin in advance that she plans, if she makes it to the Supreme Court, she plans to be dishonest in the way she uses the authority the people of Wisconsin have loaned us on the Supreme Court.

00:19:51.000 And I think that's just a travesty, and it would be the end of justice in our judicial system.

00:19:57.000 Now, I know that the proper role of the court is simply to use the existing law to decide the cases that come before us without regard to personal values or personal politics.

00:20:07.000 That's how you preserve the rule of law.

00:20:09.000 But she wants to swap that out for the rule of Janet.

00:20:13.000 So let's dive deeper into this. 0.96

00:20:15.000 And that's Janet, impossible to pronounce last name, Pratasaowicz or whatever.

00:20:20.000 I'm looking at her.

00:20:22.000 Let's call her she who must not be named.

00:20:24.000 Yes, that's right.

00:20:25.000 So this is important because the constitutional order that we respect needs judges that do the opposite of putting their thumb on the scale.

00:20:38.000 That's right.

00:20:38.000 They see what the law is and then they interpret it.

00:20:42.000 They're prudent.

00:20:43.000 They are measured, but they're not biased.

00:20:47.000 You're trying to tell me your opponent has said vocally that she's going to use her position to try to get some form of, I guess they would call it equity or some sort of thumb on the scale.

00:21:01.000 Explain that, Mary.

00:21:02.000 It's an extraordinary thing for someone running for a Supreme Court seat to say.

00:21:07.000 It really is.

00:21:09.000 And this is why I say she's an opponent like no other.

00:21:11.000 I don't know of any judicial candidate in the history of the country who's come out and said that she would put her thumb on the scales of justice.

00:21:19.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:21:21.000 It is. 0.95

00:21:22.000 So her campaign is largely her talking about her political views.

00:21:29.000 And that's it.

00:21:31.000 I mean, there's nothing there about the role and function of the court in a constitutional construct.

00:21:36.000 There's nothing there about a judicial philosophy on how to handle the rule of law and constitutional provisions.

00:21:43.000 There's just nothing. 1.00

00:21:45.000 She's a politician dressed up like a judge, but she is no judge. 0.87

00:21:50.000 She would, she want, I mean, it appears to me that either she doesn't understand the distinction between the court and the legislature, or she just doesn't care.

00:22:00.000 I mean, in our constitutional form of government, we address political questions in the legislature.

00:22:04.000 Yes, right?

00:22:06.000 And in the courts, we address only legal questions.

00:22:10.000 So in this race, I'm the only one that's talking about the Constitution, the rule of law, how to handle constitutional principles, statutory construction, and all the work of an actual justice. 0.87

00:22:23.000 She's out there talking about the legislature's job, but promising people that she's going to do that on the court if they put her there.

00:22:30.000 So I just want to re-emphasize how important this race is.

00:22:34.000 This is Wisconsin, of which it is the battleground state of Battleground States.

00:22:39.000 And there is this Supreme Court seat that vacancy that needs to be filled.

00:22:45.000 I think it's a vacancy, right?

00:22:46.000 Because there is some.

00:22:48.000 Correct.

00:22:48.000 So this is interesting.

00:22:50.000 I'm just curious.

00:22:51.000 Why is it now that somebody resign or did something happen or why is the vacancy up now?

00:22:57.000 Sure.

00:22:57.000 So Pat Rogensack, who has served the state well for the last 20 years, this is the last year in her term and she's decided not to run for re-election.

00:23:07.000 And so the way our court is typically scored, it is a four to three constitutionalist versus activist.

00:23:16.000 Oh, wow.

00:23:17.000 And Pat Rogensack is one of those who understands her job is just to apply the law and not make it up as she goes along.

00:23:25.000 So this election, if it goes badly, could flip the court to an activist majority.

00:23:33.000 And given that my opponent has the endorsement of the three activists already on the court, one can be pretty certain of what would happen if she's successful.

00:23:46.000 So we're trying to make sure that doesn't happen because we need to preserve the rule of law.

00:23:51.000 We need to protect our liberties.

00:23:53.000 And we know that to do that, we need our Constitution.

00:23:57.000 I mean, I'm going through her website here, and she says, yeah, I want to take politics out of the courtroom.

00:24:04.000 And then you read the organizations that she publicly touts.

00:24:08.000 I mean, they're the most political organizations.

00:24:10.000 I'll just give you the Daily Costs, which is an incredibly far-left-wing activist website, Planned Parenthood.

00:24:18.000 She touts endorsements from the blue sky Waukesha from AFT Wisconsin.

00:24:27.000 I mean, are we sure she's not running for state senate?

00:24:30.000 I mean, it's certainly not.

00:24:33.000 Yeah, I'm not at all sure.

00:24:34.000 You know, when she says, it's remarkable to me, when she says, and she will say this frequently, that she's running to get politics out of the courtroom, and then she will immediately run down her list of political outcomes that she wants to achieve.

00:24:48.000 Now, I don't know who she thinks she's fooling with this, but it's not me, and it's not the rest of our fellow Wisconsinites.

00:24:56.000 So can you speak for a second to the amount of money that is flooding into this race?

00:25:00.000 I'm only speculating.

00:25:01.000 I imagine there are some out-of-state dollars flowing into this race.

00:25:05.000 Am I correct? 0.98

00:25:06.000 Yeah, in fact, her campaign is funded almost entirely by out-of-state money.

00:25:11.000 Get this.

00:25:12.000 96% of her contributions are from out-of-state.

00:25:16.000 96%.

00:25:17.000 So one of the things that's actually, in a way, encouraging to me because it tells me that my fellow Wisconsinites aren't buying this bill of goods that she's trying to sell.

00:25:27.000 Yeah.

00:25:28.000 So 96%, just how much money is being spent on this race? 0.93

00:25:32.000 Politico, by the way, has just called this the biggest election of 2023.

00:25:36.000 That is Politico.

00:25:38.000 They said this is the biggest election in the nation this calendar year.

00:25:42.000 Yeah, it's also the most expensive judicial race in the history of the country.

00:25:47.000 Now, think about that.

00:25:49.000 This here in Wisconsin, we're just minding our own business up here.

00:25:53.000 And, you know, we're, you know, we love it up here.

00:25:56.000 And our fellow Wisconsinites, they love their liberties.

00:25:59.000 They love their Constitution.

00:26:00.000 And we're just going about our business.

00:26:02.000 And then the rest of the country pours in, makes this the most expensive judicial race in the history of the country.

00:26:11.000 And they're doing it in an effort to turn our court into a haven for judicial activism.

00:26:18.000 So four lawyers, four progressive lawyers sitting in a Madison courtroom can dictate to the people of Wisconsin what their laws are going to be.

00:26:26.000 Now, I find that incredibly condescending to my fellow Wisconsinites.

00:26:30.000 What they're saying is they don't trust Wisconsinites to develop their own laws in conjunction with the legislature.

00:26:38.000 They instead believe that their job on the court is to look down their nose to the rest of our fellow Wisconsinites and dictate to them what their laws can and cannot be.

00:26:48.000 So let me ask you just for a second here, how much money is being spent on this race?

00:26:52.000 What's the ballpark?

00:26:54.000 So I think we are up in the 10 million, 12 million.

00:26:58.000 That's unbelievable for a Wisconsin Supreme Court seat.

00:27:02.000 That used to be what we would spend on Senate races.

00:27:04.000 Now Senate races are 100, 100 million minimum.

00:27:07.000 Right.

00:27:09.000 Yeah, it is. 0.94

00:27:10.000 Now, here's the other part of this, you know, that all that money that's coming in, of course, she's using that for ads.

00:27:10.000 It is.

00:27:18.000 And, you know, I'm not terribly concerned about that. 0.61

00:27:21.000 I want all of our fellow Wisconsinites to hear the garbage that she's trying to pitch because I'm betting that folks here, they still do love their liberties. 0.80

00:27:31.000 They love their Constitution. 0.95

00:27:33.000 And they don't appreciate having a leadist looking down their nose at them, telling them what their laws need to be.

00:27:40.000 And the more that gets around the state of Wisconsin, the better. 1.00

00:27:43.000 She's also made sure to let people know that she's an anti-Christian bigot.

00:27:48.000 And this is another thing that just absolutely shocks me.

00:27:51.000 So she has criticized me for attending a Christian law school.

00:27:56.000 And she says that, yeah, no, it's dead on serious.

00:28:00.000 And it's not even a slip of the tongue.

00:28:01.000 She's done it twice.

00:28:03.000 And she says this raises serious red flags about my ability to serve the public in state office.

00:28:10.000 Now, first off, of course, that's it's just laughable on its face because I've already served the people of Wisconsin as one of their Supreme Court justices.

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:19.000 And I've been told that I did a fine job.

00:28:21.000 Thank you very much.

00:28:23.000 But beyond that, it is outrageous because, as with the United States Constitution, our Constitution also has a provision that says that there shall be no religious tasks for public office.

00:28:36.000 It's Article 1, Section 19.

00:28:38.000 And so she either, I mean, I don't know how to score this.

00:28:41.000 Maybe she's never read our Constitution.

00:28:43.000 I think that's a distinct possibility.

00:28:46.000 Or maybe having read it, she didn't understand what Article 1, Section 19 says.

00:28:51.000 Or maybe having read it and understood it, she just doesn't care what it says.

00:28:56.000 But that's what she is.

00:28:57.000 How can people support your race? 0.87

00:28:59.000 What is the website?

00:29:01.000 Thank you so much for asking that question.

00:29:03.000 It's justicedanielkelly.com.

00:29:06.000 Now, I spell it the proper way: Kelly is K-E-L-L-Y.

00:29:10.000 There are some who put an extra E in there, but none of that for us.

00:29:13.000 So, justiced.com.

00:29:16.000 I love Wisconsin, and I share your trust in their inevitable weighing of both options and final judgment.

00:29:26.000 The people of Wisconsin tend to deliver in situations like this.

00:29:30.000 They certainly did with Ron Johnson.

00:29:33.000 They did with Governor Walker a couple of times in the last decade, and I sure hope they do in your race.

00:29:38.000 Please come on again soon.

00:29:40.000 April 4th is the date we have to focus on this.

00:29:42.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:43.000 My pleasure, Charlie.

00:29:44.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:45.000 I appreciate this.

00:29:49.000 Boy, has Tucker Carlson successfully been able to shake the Matrix.

00:29:56.000 Operation Mockingbird is in full court press mode.

00:30:01.000 They are fully deployed.

00:30:04.000 The turtle, Chuck U. Schumer, Whoopee Goldberg, they are all saying the same thing.

00:30:11.000 They are in a meltdown because of what Tucker Carlson decided to do.

00:30:15.000 And he says, More's coming.

00:30:17.000 More's coming.

00:30:18.000 What is so, it's Whoopi Goldberg, especially.

00:30:21.000 I got a, I gotta, this one's so funny.

00:30:23.000 She says, Tucker Carlson is George Orwell 1984 because he's showing us more about what happened on January 6th.

00:30:32.000 In her mind, the truth won't set you free.

00:30:34.000 The truth will blind you.

00:30:36.000 And yet, Tucker's the Orwellian one.

00:30:37.000 Play Cut 55.

00:30:39.000 Last night, Tucker Carlson took a page from George Olwell's 1984 and told his viewers to reject the evidence of their eyes and ears.

00:30:51.000 You know, I don't know what he's playing at, but people saw what they saw.

00:30:56.000 They saw what they saw and they've seen what's gone down with it.

00:31:00.000 And no matter what, you can't put this monkey back in the cage.

00:31:07.000 They saw what they saw, and they seen what they saw, and they saw what they seen.

00:31:10.000 How many different versions of the verb saw can you use?

00:31:15.000 And they cite what they saw when they seen, and they saw what they saw with their eyes, and seeing what they seen.

00:31:19.000 They cite, what did you just say?

00:31:22.000 It's a complete meltdown.

00:31:24.000 Cut 54, the turtle.

00:31:26.000 He holds up some sworn affidavit from the Capitol Police as if this is persuasive.

00:31:30.000 No, no, no.

00:31:31.000 I want an answer from the turtle.

00:31:33.000 I want an answer from Chuck Hugh Schumer.

00:31:35.000 I want an answer from any one of them.

00:31:37.000 What about the fact that Capitol Police acted as docents to the man that was plastered over every major newspaper as some violent insurrectionist?

00:31:47.000 PlayCut 54.

00:31:48.000 It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at Capitol thinks.

00:32:03.000 Okay, did your chief law enforcement official mention the fact that nine of his Capitol police were tour guides to the insurrectionists?

00:32:10.000 That's a pretty amazing piece of evidence, isn't it?

00:32:13.000 And then Republican after Republican after Republican says it's BS, it's nonsense.

00:32:18.000 There's nothing here.

00:32:19.000 Tom Tillis, Kevin Kramer.

00:32:21.000 Yeah, play that one.

00:32:22.000 Play the Kevin Kramer one again.

00:32:25.000 Is this a lie?

00:32:26.000 I think it's bull.

00:32:28.000 I was down there, and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things.

00:32:33.000 But when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted, and Chuck Hugh Schumer just going all in saying, you know what?

00:32:42.000 We just got to ban Tucker Carlson from TV.

00:32:44.000 Not banned, but we got to prevent him.

00:32:45.000 He should not be allowed to broadcast anymore.

00:32:48.000 Tucker Carlson has these people really nervous.

00:32:52.000 This shows how critical the January 6th narrative is to all the Uniparty goals.

00:33:00.000 And he's getting right after it.

00:33:03.000 And you know who's really getting a lot of phone calls right now?

00:33:05.000 Kevin McCarthy's probably getting a lot of phone calls.

00:33:09.000 He did the right thing here.

00:33:10.000 Play Cut 56.

00:33:11.000 Tucker Carlson is a propagandist publicly pretending to be a newsman.

00:33:17.000 We know that we know that Fox News knows that Rupert Murdoch knows and that he knows that they're liars, that they're propagandists, that they're destroying America for some kind of monetary or other advantage.

00:33:37.000 We're going to stay on this story.

00:33:38.000 Tucker Carlson is teasing more video, more footage, more revelations, and they're nervous.

00:33:44.000 They're running.

00:33:45.000 I mean, this is like the fourth press conference they've done on this topic.

00:33:48.000 They do one in the hall.

00:33:49.000 They do one in the rotunda.

00:33:50.000 They do one.

00:33:50.000 They're deploying the people on TV.

00:33:52.000 They're everywhere because they're nervous that the big lie that our government was almost taken over by insurrectionists, it's falling apart.

00:34:00.000 It is eroding.

00:34:01.000 It is shattering.

00:34:02.000 And that is a good thing for America. 0.75

00:34:07.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:08.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:11.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:12.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 08, 2023

The Most Important Election of 2023 with Cynthia Hughes and Justice Dan Kelley

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