The Charlie Kirk Show - The Most In-Depth Takedown of Critical Race Theory You'll Hear Today with James Lindsay—Part One

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00:01:01.000 Part one, Dr. James Lindsay.

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00:02:40.000 Great to see all of you.

00:02:42.000 I have been so excited for this conversation with someone who's become a friend over the last year.

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00:02:57.000 Dr. James Lindsay has his doctorate in mathematics, which is not easy.

00:03:03.000 He was just explaining to me his doctoral thesis.

00:03:06.000 I don't even understand the category of the thesis, let alone actually what was said.

00:03:13.000 But Dr. James Lindsay and I connected last year around this idea of critical race theory.

00:03:20.000 And Dr. Lindsay has the best book on critical race theory in the entire country.

00:03:27.000 I talk about it all the time.

00:03:28.000 It is called Cynical Theories.

00:03:30.000 It's phenomenal.

00:03:32.000 And Dr. Lindsay has become the go-to source on this idea of critical race theory.

00:03:37.000 How many of you have equity, critical race theory, racial education in your schools, white privilege, you know, all these sorts of things?

00:03:45.000 This conversation is really going to be focused on what we can do about it and where it comes from.

00:03:50.000 James, welcome.

00:03:51.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:03:53.000 You bet.

00:03:54.000 So tell us, what is, let's just start at the top.

00:03:59.000 Is critical race theory indeed racist?

00:04:02.000 Yes.

00:04:04.000 It's racist in every possible direction, every possible direction.

00:04:09.000 It obviously bases itself off of the scapegoating of whiteness, which it identifies explicitly in its own words.

00:04:16.000 They say that with whites, that being and doing are not separated. 0.88

00:04:20.000 So being white is doing whiteness, and therefore because you get white privilege, which you can't renounce.

00:04:25.000 So it is, it holds up whiteness as a scapegoat and is therefore racist against whites.

00:04:29.000 However, it also says that this is the state of affairs in a society that's intrinsically white supremacist, so it upholds white supremacy.

00:04:36.000 Therefore, it positions people of other races, especially black people, as inferior and as incapable of engaging with things like individualism and meritocracy. 0.83

00:04:47.000 In fact, it says that whites fooled other races, who apparently are easy to trick, into accepting things like a diminished or oppressed status in society. 0.95

00:04:56.000 So it's racist against every race you can possibly imagine.

00:05:00.000 But don't worry.

00:05:04.000 Real racism hasn't been tried yet.

00:05:07.000 That's what this is.

00:05:08.000 That's what, yeah, and so it's only the good parts of racism, apparently.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, so basically the people in charge, the woesters, they're trying to say that we're so anti-racist that now we're going to be racist.

00:05:21.000 Well, yeah, so they have to strategically be racist because they believe that, and this is really a strange belief.

00:05:28.000 You have to actually think of critical race theory kind of like a religious belief about how society is organized.

00:05:33.000 You always hear, right?

00:05:34.000 Nobody can even define critical race theory.

00:05:36.000 Wrong.

00:05:38.000 We can.

00:05:38.000 And critical race theory is the belief that society is organized by racism.

00:05:42.000 That's it.

00:05:43.000 That's it.

00:05:44.000 And so because of that, they think that racism is the ordinary state of affairs.

00:05:47.000 That's their words in society.

00:05:49.000 And so the only way to fight back against that is to be racist in the opposite direction in all directions at the same time.

00:05:55.000 This is why you have Ibram Kendi writing that the only remedy to racist discrimination is anti-racist discrimination.

00:06:01.000 The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.

00:06:05.000 And the only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.

00:06:08.000 That's page 19 of how to be an anti-racist, which is in our boardrooms.

00:06:14.000 It's even in our weapon manufacturing companies.

00:06:17.000 Jack Dorsey gave him $10 million because of that.

00:06:21.000 $10 million from Twitter.

00:06:22.000 $10 million from Twitter.

00:06:24.000 To teach people to be currently discriminatory.

00:06:28.000 Intentionally and future discriminatory.

00:06:30.000 And as a matter of fact, since this is, you know, obviously an American situation, we have to understand that what Kendi's goal is is to actually establish a department of anti-racism that is superior to all three branches of our government and has the final say on everything.

00:06:46.000 That sounds pretty scary.

00:06:46.000 And he wants that backed by constitutional amendment.

00:06:48.000 So that's also pretty scary.

00:06:50.000 So just to make another link for you, that we should just go there.

00:06:54.000 Where what you had with Marxism was the idea that a dictatorship of the proletariat would arise and usher us through a socialist period to communism with critical race theory.

00:07:04.000 We're going to have a dictatorship of the anti-racists that's superior to the entire federal government of the United States.

00:07:10.000 There will be no divided powers, no freedom, a dictatorship of the anti-racist that will usher us through a period where we can reimagine race and racism and power and have equity, which is just a new word for race communism.

00:07:22.000 And so, that's a good way to put it.

00:07:24.000 If we don't get this race issue correct, everybody, the country is done. 0.97

00:07:29.000 We are the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:07:33.000 And we have to be proud to say that.

00:07:36.000 And I'm going to re-emphasize this.

00:07:39.000 This is a strategy and a tactic to obliterate our way of life, to care about how people look, not how they act.

00:07:47.000 Now, James, I'm going to tell you something that I struggle with when I debate with some of these apparatchiks, which is since their argument and their belief is that everything can be blamed on racism, how do you actually convince them otherwise?

00:08:03.000 Because it goes back to them even saying that your arguments is racism as itself.

00:08:08.000 It's as if everything then comes back to that, right?

00:08:12.000 So, for example, they will say that unequal distributions are thanks to racism.

00:08:19.000 They will say that speech is thanks to racism.

00:08:22.000 There's a lot of very, let's say, factual ways to walk people through this.

00:08:27.000 But if their opening argument is that it's in the sky, it's in the air, it's in the food that we eat, it's part of who we are, then how do you actually turn and persuade somebody to think otherwise?

00:08:40.000 I don't think you do if they start from that presupposition.

00:08:44.000 That's presuppositional apologetics for those of you who are familiar with religious stuff.

00:08:49.000 They have taken up the idea that racism is the ordinary state of affairs in society, even to the point where arguments themselves are racism.

00:08:56.000 Changing their mind is racism.

00:08:58.000 So, if somebody's adopted that position, what argument could you give somebody to believe otherwise?

00:09:03.000 They're just going to interpret it as racism every time.

00:09:05.000 So, I don't think you can change those people's minds.

00:09:07.000 What you actually have to do is you have to speak past those people.

00:09:11.000 And I don't mean if it's your friend one-on-one or whatever.

00:09:13.000 You try to talk to him, you try to ask him questions, you try to unsettle that belief.

00:09:16.000 I asked, I was on a podcast one time with a woman who was quite woke, and she and I had this conversation.

00:09:22.000 She's a young black woman, and in the middle of the conversation, I just said, according to critical race theory, racism exists in every interaction.

00:09:30.000 Where was the racism in our interaction?

00:09:31.000 Was I racist to you?

00:09:32.000 And she couldn't find it.

00:09:33.000 And she said that that's absurd.

00:09:35.000 So that upset her ability to continue believing that.

00:09:38.000 What you actually have to do is you have to say, you know, I don't accept that presupposition.

00:09:41.000 I don't believe that assumption.

00:09:43.000 I don't believe this manipulation.

00:09:45.000 I think we do have common ground, and I think we can talk about things.

00:09:48.000 And that's what we really have to start doing is start to appeal.

00:09:50.000 We have common ground.

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00:09:54.000 I mean, we used to say, you know, people, we all bleed red or whatever.

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00:10:10.000 So I believe we have common ground.

00:10:12.000 So why don't we ditch that and try to start talking?

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00:11:37.000 So I guess the challenge, though, is that every single person in this room believes in this idea of elevating character and things you can change over the things you cannot change.

00:11:49.000 But then, James, why is it that the people with all the money, the resources, the power, and the institutions are so quickly embracing this horrendous idea, one that is by definition insidious, that it's parasitic in nature.

00:12:03.000 Why are the people that are trusted with basically governing our society, not just in politics, but in the corporate world, why are they so recklessly irresponsible with this?

00:12:17.000 You just said, right?

00:12:18.000 Why are all the people with money and power and all the resources?

00:12:21.000 Why are they trying to get more of them by dividing everybody and keeping anybody else from being able to speak up?

00:12:26.000 If you guys can't unify, if we can't unify, and I know unity is one of those words that they made poisonous, if we can't unify across our differences, you have some differences, who cares?

00:12:36.000 If we can't unify, we can't win.

00:12:39.000 They don't want you to unify.

00:12:40.000 They want you to look at each other and say, well, it's weird if I'm friends with somebody of a different race.

00:12:45.000 We have to interrogate our racial differences.

00:12:47.000 It's weird to have a friendship across a sexual difference.

00:12:50.000 It's weird to have a relationship across any difference.

00:12:52.000 It's weird to have a relationship across a religious difference.

00:12:55.000 It's weird.

00:12:56.000 It's uncomfortable.

00:12:57.000 You should be focusing on why you're different rather than why you're the same.

00:13:00.000 If we can't unify, they're going to beat us.

00:13:02.000 And why?

00:13:03.000 Because it's a divide and conquer strategy and it works.

00:13:06.000 And the people with power and all the money and all the things realize that this is a tool that they can use to divide us and to continue to collect more money, resources, and power to themselves and take us toward totalitarianism.

00:13:18.000 And do you really believe it's that sinister, James?

00:13:21.000 Because I mean, of course, I do, but, you know, some people would call you a liberal.

00:13:24.000 You'd call yourself a liberal.

00:13:26.000 And just so you guys know, James is welcome at every turning point event we ever do.

00:13:30.000 And we don't agree on everything.

00:13:32.000 You know, I'm a Christian.

00:13:33.000 James can describe his own beliefs in the metaphysics, but we get along really well and we do things that matter together.

00:13:42.000 And it's also because I think James is like one of the last people that is willing to have a conversation with people on the right.

00:13:48.000 I can't find that person.

00:13:49.000 You guys should all try to find it.

00:13:50.000 If you find it, let me know.

00:13:52.000 You can email us.

00:13:53.000 But James, is it really that Machiavellian?

00:13:56.000 And is it really that they're in the room and they're like, you know, Jeff Bezos, right, worth $165 billion?

00:14:03.000 Is it either, is it conscious or subconsciously really as simple as, you know, I want to kind of create warring tribes amongst the people so I can go to the, I can go to Saturn or something?

00:14:15.000 Is it really that?

00:14:17.000 I don't know Jeff Bezos' heart, so I can't talk about Jeff Bezos specifically.

00:14:22.000 Fill in the blank of any ideology.

00:14:24.000 And the people who are involved in this ideology are that sinister, are that the ideology itself is psychopathic. 0.56

00:14:30.000 It is actually psychopathic.

00:14:31.000 It is about dividing.

00:14:32.000 Why is it psychopathic?

00:14:33.000 Because all it cares about is winning the argument and gaining more power and manipulating the environment so that it can conform it to what it wants rather than what actually is.

00:14:42.000 It's not interested in objective truth.

00:14:44.000 It's interested in subjective ways of being that are able to divide and conquer and control people.

00:14:49.000 That's why it is, I don't know about Jeff Bezos.

00:14:52.000 A lot of these people are very convinced.

00:14:54.000 They believe in this like a faith.

00:14:57.000 They're probably sincere.

00:14:58.000 Most of them are probably good people who have taken up with a bad religion.

00:15:02.000 However, the religion itself is evil.

00:15:05.000 Totally agree. 0.78

00:15:06.000 Well, I mean, I think they give religion a bad name.

00:15:09.000 I mean, they believe this wokeism.

00:15:12.000 You call it the great awokening.

00:15:13.000 I'll prove it to you.

00:15:14.000 And James, you could fill in the blanks where I missed this out, right?

00:15:18.000 They have shared, almost quasi-religious experiences.

00:15:21.000 They pay penance.

00:15:22.000 They have a doctrine of beliefs.

00:15:24.000 They excommunicate the non-believers, right? 1.00

00:15:27.000 What am I missing here?

00:15:28.000 That they believe it uncompromisingly, right?

00:15:33.000 They have a dogmatic belief in something that they can't see, right?

00:15:37.000 I mean, how is that not a religious?

00:15:39.000 In fact, I would argue that Christianity, by like an infinite margin, has far more evidence and reason-based arguments than this nonsensical critical race theory religion that we're seeing governing our country.

00:15:52.000 Well, speaking as somebody who is not a Christian, I would agree with that. 1.00

00:15:55.000 Well, thank you.

00:15:56.000 I appreciate that.

00:15:57.000 And yet, yet, this religious doctrine is now being implemented at almost every single level.

00:16:04.000 So, here's what I want to ask you.

00:16:05.000 I think it would be really interesting.

00:16:07.000 So, you have a doctorate in mathematics, and math, I believe, is a gift from God as a language for us to be able to understand and hopefully master the natural world against chaos.

00:16:21.000 It's an amazing world once you start discovering it, of which I know very little.

00:16:26.000 But math is centered around this idea of objective truth, correct?

00:16:30.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:16:31.000 There is no my truth of how many sides of a triangle there are.

00:16:34.000 That's right.

00:16:35.000 And so, this idea of objectivity is one of the agreed-upon attributes of Western society.

00:16:44.000 That's right.

00:16:44.000 We have now seen this theme of my truth, James.

00:16:48.000 You don't know what it's like to be a black lesbian woman. 1.00

00:16:52.000 Therefore, I must have a lot of power, and you must sit down and shut up. 1.00

00:16:56.000 Talk about the death of objectivity and how this all ties together.

00:17:00.000 So, it's beyond even the death of objectivity, but we'll talk about that.

00:17:03.000 It's the death of having things in common, it's the death of being able to find common ground or a common sensibility with which we can communicate with one another.

00:17:11.000 The point of an objective view of the world is you may not agree with me about some fact about the world, but we agree about how we're going to go investigate it.

00:17:19.000 We agree that there are methods that work better than others, okay?

00:17:23.000 And so, with math, math is objective, it is absolutely like it's literally logically true.

00:17:30.000 It is, there's no question about whether or not it's true.

00:17:33.000 There's nothing to argue about.

00:17:35.000 It is objectively the case, for example, the two plus two equals four.

00:17:38.000 That is the case.

00:17:39.000 I know this is a controversial statement.

00:17:40.000 In fact, I made it a controversial statement last year by trolling Nicole Hannah Jones of the New York Times into making fun of me for saying two plus two equals four, and then it blew up.

00:17:48.000 And then you had the T.H. Chan School of Public Health at Harvard tweeting that two plus two equals five in the middle of a pandemic where half the country is afraid they're overcounting.

00:17:56.000 How about that?

00:17:58.000 So, the goal is to break down our ability to talk to one another and understand one another.

00:18:03.000 And the reason is because if we can't understand one another in a common language, we can be controlled by the people who get to set the subjective standards.

00:18:12.000 That new subjective standard, the new sensibility that's replacing a common sensibility is called intersectionality, which means, in short, we can talk about what it means in the theory, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:23.000 But in short, it means you have to think about who you are and how systemic power dynamics influence whether what you said matters or not, always in everything.

00:18:32.000 It's think about who you are and be divided against one another constantly.

00:18:37.000 And that's how you're made to think under this ideology.

00:18:39.000 And the reason is we have no objective ground to stand on.

00:18:42.000 We have no common ground that we can understand one another in.

00:18:46.000 And that's total BS.

00:18:48.000 So, you and I are going to explore this in kind of a backstage conversation in a podcast.

00:18:53.000 But what I do want to keep it kind of high up here, James, is what was stunning for me when I read your wonderful website, New Discourses, which is the best website on all this woke garbage.

00:19:04.000 I can tell you that's true.

00:19:05.000 I wrote most of it.

00:19:06.000 No, it's phenomenal.

00:19:07.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

00:19:09.000 Say it again, Charlie.

00:19:10.000 NewDiscourses.com.

00:19:11.000 Thank you.

00:19:12.000 Yes.

00:19:13.000 And it's kind of like the last liberals.

00:19:15.000 It's really nice to see, actually, that comments on there.

00:19:18.000 Is this idea, James, of believing?

00:19:25.000 I couldn't really process this when I first saw it, was believing that science and math are racist.

00:19:32.000 And so this is something that, by the way, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is funding.

00:19:37.000 True.

00:19:38.000 And this is something that young children are learning.

00:19:41.000 You have a doctorate in mathematics.

00:19:43.000 First of all, just tell us what their, give the best argument that they can.

00:19:48.000 Like Superman their argument, right?

00:19:49.000 Strongman their argument.

00:19:51.000 What is their best argument for why math is racist?

00:19:54.000 Let's just do the thing like, James, you now have to defend the Nicole Hannah-Jones position and then tell us why it's wrong.

00:19:59.000 Okay.

00:20:00.000 I'm sorry.

00:20:01.000 So the reason is because math was, in their eyes, either stolen or created by white Western European people, men in particular, who wanted to gain mastery over the chaos of nature. 0.94

00:20:15.000 But they did so in a way where they, without even necessarily realizing it in most cases, arranged affairs so that white Western ways of thinking about things would be privileged because that would give white Western people who wanted to then colonize the world and enslave people the tools and the power to do so over others.

00:20:32.000 And they never even bothered to consider that there might be other ways to do mathematics.

00:20:36.000 They stole mathematics from the Egyptians. 1.00

00:20:38.000 They stole mathematics from the Middle East. 0.99

00:20:41.000 They stole mathematics when they got to the new world from the Aztecs and the Mayans. 1.00

00:20:45.000 They stole it.

00:20:46.000 And they just incorporated it into their worldview so that they could then subjugate those people using that power. 0.63

00:20:52.000 And that, they say, hasn't gone away.

00:20:55.000 That remnant of that original racism, which by the way is fake, that remnant of the original racism is still there and it's still used to subjugate.

00:21:02.000 This is why it's racist against races that aren't white.

00:21:06.000 Learning mathematics rigorously is positioned as a white position that upholds white power. 0.94

00:21:12.000 And therefore, it's expected that black people and brown people, whatever brown means, are not able to learn math without having to succumb to a white power structure first and sell out who they really are in terms of their identity. 0.97

00:21:25.000 That's why they think it's racist, which is patently insane. 0.94

00:21:28.000 I don't even think I have to tell you why that's wrong. 1.00

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00:22:56.000 So can you tell us why it's wrong?

00:22:59.000 I mean, yes, I can.

00:23:02.000 It turns out that I see some spawning literally on the ground right now.

00:23:06.000 But just so you know, that at some colleges and a lot of grade schools, this is what you're paying for, parents.

00:23:12.000 This is the future that we have created for our children because of our lack of involvement.

00:23:17.000 Are we exaggerating at all, James?

00:23:18.000 So let me tell you a story.

00:23:20.000 I was flying out to LA a few weeks ago, actually, to speak in Rob McCoy's church, right?

00:23:25.000 So I'm flying.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:23:28.000 And I got to sit up in the pulpit.

00:23:30.000 First time I ever got to do that, it was like I felt like, you know, fox in the hen house or something.

00:23:34.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:23:35.000 It was excellent.

00:23:36.000 So I was flying out there, though, and I'm reading this book, a handbook on critical race theory and education on the plane.

00:23:42.000 What a wonderful read.

00:23:43.000 And I finally hit my limit.

00:23:44.000 I'm reading this essay by this guy, Daniel Solarzano, who's one of the biggest critical race theory and education people from back in the day.

00:23:52.000 And he has this essay, and he's talking about how he got this email where this lady sends in, I think it's a woman, sends in this email saying, oh my gosh, this thing you published helped me so much with mathematics.

00:24:02.000 I was trying to teach, I'm sorry, we're going to go math.

00:24:05.000 I was trying to teach the coordinate axis, the XY thing.

00:24:08.000 And my students always struggle with the coordinate plane.

00:24:10.000 I was trying to teach it to them.

00:24:11.000 And then I showed them, well, if we put on the vertical axis commitment to social justice and we put on the horizontal axis, you know, commitment to objective truth or something like this, then blah, blah, blah.

00:24:21.000 And they turned the entire teaching of basic XY plane functions and mathematics, algebra one, into a social justice lesson about how committed you are to social justice and how much it was commitment to change the world or something like that.

00:24:34.000 You know, the point of studying things is to change the world, obviously, said Marx.

00:24:40.000 So that's just one example.

00:24:42.000 That's what's happening in math classes.

00:24:44.000 But what math?

00:24:48.000 And just solve for X.

00:24:58.000 And so, so, James, I think there is something to this.

00:25:02.000 I'm going to go a little bit over time because I think this is so important, which is, is there something to this that it's so absurd? 0.95

00:25:08.000 So people think they're dumb because they don't get it because it's so absurd?

00:25:13.000 Is there something, is there like an intimidating factor to this? 0.97

00:25:16.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:25:17.000 Yes, actually, I think so.

00:25:19.000 So I actually do believe that part of what it does is it makes you lose your footing in the world.

00:25:24.000 It makes you not know who you are.

00:25:25.000 And this is a very important message, if I might divert a little bit from the direct. 0.98

00:25:29.000 I think that they do try to make people feel stupid, like you can't possibly understand this. 0.92

00:25:33.000 But this is what you, I know we're going to get to it eventually, but this is what you have to do. 0.96

00:25:37.000 So if I were going to give you guys some advice, there are a couple things I want to say.

00:25:40.000 One is that you need to realize the period of history that you live in.

00:25:44.000 You live in a period in history that's going to be one of those things, if we get through it, that people study in depth in 100 years.

00:25:51.000 That's you now, and you need to rise to the challenge.

00:25:54.000 But what you need to do to rise to the challenge is you need to get, I'm sorry, I know this is one of those moments like, how do you do fellow kids from the old guy?

00:26:05.000 But you need to get based.

00:26:08.000 You need to get based.

00:26:11.000 You need to know who you are.

00:26:13.000 You need to know who you are spiritually.

00:26:15.000 You need to know who you are mentally.

00:26:16.000 You need to know who you are emotionally.

00:26:18.000 You need to know who you are becoming professionally by going out and taking on challenges and taking risks and learning about yourself, learning about subjects that matter, learning to solve for X, if it's math, actually learning rigorous things,

00:26:30.000 building a foundation for yourselves and getting ready because you are in a situation right now where by design, whether it's with math, these absurd arguments, whether it's with all the stuff with sex and gender and sexuality where they're literally trying to groom young people into not being able to figure out who they are as they go through puberty, you are in a situation where your identity itself is being undermined on purpose.

00:26:53.000 Because if you don't know who you are, they can control you.

00:26:57.000 They can tell you who you will be.

00:27:02.000 And that's why.

00:27:03.000 That's why these arguments are so absurd is because if you can't figure out the real world, if you can't connect to reality, if you can't connect to objective truth, if you can't get your feet under you and get based, they can push you and throw you around.

00:27:16.000 I used to do jujitsu.

00:27:17.000 I don't do jiu-jitsu anymore.

00:27:18.000 You have to have base to not get swept.

00:27:21.000 You don't want to get on your head.

00:27:22.000 You don't want to get flipped over. 0.64

00:27:22.000 You don't want that guy to mount you and punch you in the face. 0.64

00:27:24.000 You have to have base.

00:27:26.000 You've got to get based or they're going to be able to throw you around.

00:27:28.000 And that's what they want to do.

00:27:29.000 They want to put you in a place where you can't figure out who you are.

00:27:33.000 You can't figure out what you believe.

00:27:34.000 You don't know why you believe it.

00:27:36.000 And you aren't competent enough to be able to figure it out because they've brainwashed you and programmed you to not be able to think for yourself or to attach to reality.

00:27:44.000 And the only way out is to do the opposite: to get based, get attached to reality, get to know yourself, like I said, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it.

00:27:53.000 You got to get to know yourself.

00:27:56.000 That is phenomenal advice.

00:27:58.000 And so, James, I want to now just get to the most practical.

00:28:02.000 Here's the good news of our conversation: Is critical race theory popular?

00:28:08.000 No.

00:28:13.000 It's not popular in any demographic, it turns out.

00:28:16.000 There was a recent poll done, and I forgot which poll it was done.

00:28:20.000 It doesn't reach a majority in any significant demographic.

00:28:24.000 Not a majority, even in Democrats of color.

00:28:29.000 It is not popular.

00:28:31.000 It is that 85% of this population, once they understand and see what it is, hate it.

00:28:36.000 They don't just not like it.

00:28:38.000 They don't just think it's weird.

00:28:39.000 They hate it.

00:28:40.000 They viscerally recognize the racism in it. 0.56

00:28:42.000 They viscerally recognize that it's not real and it's absurd.

00:28:46.000 They viscerally recognize that it is manipulative and divisive and hurtful.

00:28:51.000 It is not popular.

00:28:52.000 And the more, this is the really good news.

00:28:54.000 It's actually very simple.

00:28:56.000 The more people who learn what it really is, the fewer people like it.

00:29:00.000 All you have to do is tell people what it is.

00:29:02.000 Show them what it is.

00:29:03.000 Read from their books.

00:29:05.000 And people just red pill like crazy.

00:29:08.000 And James, that's why we're sitting on this cultural volcano and we are going to win.

00:29:14.000 So you have all these elites that are now by force implementing something that's incredibly unpopular.

00:29:23.000 That does not work well in human history.

00:29:26.000 We have lots of examples of people in charge that try to force feed a population of things that are very unpopular.

00:29:34.000 And it might be popular amongst their own social circle, but that's why you're seeing the school board uprising.

00:29:41.000 That's why you're seeing people going up against this in record numbers.

00:29:45.000 And James, that's why you've seen your book explode the way it has.

00:29:48.000 That's right.

00:29:49.000 Look, it's very simple, though.

00:29:50.000 It's very simple.

00:29:51.000 This country used to be racist.

00:29:55.000 We're not going back.

00:29:56.000 That's it.

00:29:57.000 That's why people hate it.

00:30:00.000 And the other side wishes to keep us in that place where they can control us and make us obey.

00:30:09.000 Okay, last point, James.

00:30:11.000 On these college campuses, they are going to be confronted with arguments from authority.

00:30:18.000 You are or were a college professor until all this fun stuff started.

00:30:23.000 What are they supposed to do?

00:30:24.000 Our turning point USA students on college campuses where it always comes down to this.

00:30:29.000 I'm the professor.

00:30:31.000 You're the student.

00:30:33.000 I know you're wrong. 1.00

00:30:35.000 Sit down and shut up. 0.99

00:30:36.000 How are they supposed to handle that? 0.99

00:30:38.000 You know, it's hard to go up against the machine.

00:30:40.000 I don't want to give you bad news.

00:30:42.000 So it depends on you're going to have to make a choice.

00:30:45.000 Is that argument worth it for that class?

00:30:48.000 Is that argument worth it for your degree?

00:30:50.000 Do you want that degree?

00:30:52.000 Is this degree going to matter if I have to lie to get it?

00:30:54.000 So you're going to have to make those kinds of decisions.

00:30:56.000 But what you need to be doing, you're not going to fight your professor and win.

00:31:00.000 You're not.

00:31:00.000 What you need to be doing is talking to other students.

00:31:03.000 You need to be talking to other students.

00:31:04.000 You need to connect with the faculty members who are quietly and secretly based.

00:31:08.000 And you need to start making borderline secret societies.

00:31:11.000 Turning point's not so secret.

00:31:12.000 But you need to start making borderline secret societies and telling people.

00:31:15.000 It's very simple.

00:31:16.000 It's very, very simple.

00:31:17.000 You know, all this stuff, I don't quite believe it.

00:31:20.000 I had somebody talk to me about the pronoun thing recently, a very tender-hearted, liberal young woman talking to me, and she says, you know, I'm the most trans-accepting.

00:31:29.000 I'm the most, I know this is different from race, but I'm the most trans accepting.

00:31:32.000 I'm the most gay accepting, et cetera, person.

00:31:34.000 And I'll do the whole pronoun thing, but not those new ones, not those neo-pronouns they call them.

00:31:39.000 Z, Zer, her.

00:31:41.000 I won't do it.

00:31:42.000 Neo pronouns?

00:31:43.000 That's what they call them.

00:31:44.000 So if you start to draw the line, you know, like here's, I'm totally skeptical of this.

00:31:50.000 I guarantee you, half the students that you're around aren't willing to admit that they're skeptical too.

00:31:55.000 And when they hear somebody say it, courage begets courage, but also cowardice begets cowardice.

00:32:00.000 So if you're afraid, they'll be afraid.

00:32:02.000 If you're brave, they'll be brave with you.

00:32:05.000 And James, what do they do, though, when they get called a racist?

00:32:10.000 What do they do?

00:32:11.000 Because it puts people in paralysis. 0.97

00:32:13.000 Clown life, just call them clowns. 0.98

00:32:16.000 Ignore it. 0.99

00:32:17.000 Laugh at it.

00:32:18.000 Joke at it.

00:32:18.000 Yeah, what isn't?

00:32:19.000 You know, whatever.

00:32:20.000 It's a complete bogus accusation at this point, and everybody who knows knows it.

00:32:25.000 And if you just don't go with it, that's you being brave.

00:32:29.000 That's it.

00:32:30.000 Do not comply to the accusations or the labels that they throw on you.

00:32:36.000 So Dr. Lindsay and I are now going to head to the podcast room and go even further and deeper.

00:32:41.000 And I just want to say thank you for what you've done.

00:32:44.000 It's taken real courage, real bravery, and our country's better for it.

00:32:48.000 It really is, because we need more people to speak out against this.

00:32:51.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:32:52.000 And please thank Dr. Lindsay.

00:32:57.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:58.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:02.000 And if you want to support our program, go to charliekirk.com/slash support.

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00:33:12.000 God bless you guys.

00:33:14.000 Speak to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 28, 2021

The Most In-Depth Takedown of Critical Race Theory You'll Hear Today with James Lindsay—Part One

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