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00:04:04.000It's racist in every possible direction, every possible direction.
00:04:09.000It obviously bases itself off of the scapegoating of whiteness, which it identifies explicitly in its own words.
00:04:16.000They say that with whites, that being and doing are not separated.
00:04:20.000So being white is doing whiteness, and therefore because you get white privilege, which you can't renounce.
00:04:25.000So it is, it holds up whiteness as a scapegoat and is therefore racist against whites.
00:04:29.000However, it also says that this is the state of affairs in a society that's intrinsically white supremacist, so it upholds white supremacy.
00:04:36.000Therefore, it positions people of other races, especially black people, as inferior and as incapable of engaging with things like individualism and meritocracy.
00:04:47.000In fact, it says that whites fooled other races, who apparently are easy to trick, into accepting things like a diminished or oppressed status in society.
00:04:56.000So it's racist against every race you can possibly imagine.
00:06:24.000To teach people to be currently discriminatory.
00:06:28.000Intentionally and future discriminatory.
00:06:30.000And as a matter of fact, since this is, you know, obviously an American situation, we have to understand that what Kendi's goal is is to actually establish a department of anti-racism that is superior to all three branches of our government and has the final say on everything.
00:06:50.000So just to make another link for you, that we should just go there.
00:06:54.000Where what you had with Marxism was the idea that a dictatorship of the proletariat would arise and usher us through a socialist period to communism with critical race theory.
00:07:04.000We're going to have a dictatorship of the anti-racists that's superior to the entire federal government of the United States.
00:07:10.000There will be no divided powers, no freedom, a dictatorship of the anti-racist that will usher us through a period where we can reimagine race and racism and power and have equity, which is just a new word for race communism.
00:07:39.000This is a strategy and a tactic to obliterate our way of life, to care about how people look, not how they act.
00:07:47.000Now, James, I'm going to tell you something that I struggle with when I debate with some of these apparatchiks, which is since their argument and their belief is that everything can be blamed on racism, how do you actually convince them otherwise?
00:08:03.000Because it goes back to them even saying that your arguments is racism as itself.
00:08:08.000It's as if everything then comes back to that, right?
00:08:12.000So, for example, they will say that unequal distributions are thanks to racism.
00:08:19.000They will say that speech is thanks to racism.
00:08:22.000There's a lot of very, let's say, factual ways to walk people through this.
00:08:27.000But if their opening argument is that it's in the sky, it's in the air, it's in the food that we eat, it's part of who we are, then how do you actually turn and persuade somebody to think otherwise?
00:08:40.000I don't think you do if they start from that presupposition.
00:08:44.000That's presuppositional apologetics for those of you who are familiar with religious stuff.
00:08:49.000They have taken up the idea that racism is the ordinary state of affairs in society, even to the point where arguments themselves are racism.
00:08:58.000So, if somebody's adopted that position, what argument could you give somebody to believe otherwise?
00:09:03.000They're just going to interpret it as racism every time.
00:09:05.000So, I don't think you can change those people's minds.
00:09:07.000What you actually have to do is you have to speak past those people.
00:09:11.000And I don't mean if it's your friend one-on-one or whatever.
00:09:13.000You try to talk to him, you try to ask him questions, you try to unsettle that belief.
00:09:16.000I asked, I was on a podcast one time with a woman who was quite woke, and she and I had this conversation.
00:09:22.000She's a young black woman, and in the middle of the conversation, I just said, according to critical race theory, racism exists in every interaction.
00:09:30.000Where was the racism in our interaction?
00:10:12.000So why don't we ditch that and try to start talking?
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00:11:37.000So I guess the challenge, though, is that every single person in this room believes in this idea of elevating character and things you can change over the things you cannot change.
00:11:49.000But then, James, why is it that the people with all the money, the resources, the power, and the institutions are so quickly embracing this horrendous idea, one that is by definition insidious, that it's parasitic in nature.
00:12:03.000Why are the people that are trusted with basically governing our society, not just in politics, but in the corporate world, why are they so recklessly irresponsible with this?
00:12:18.000Why are all the people with money and power and all the resources?
00:12:21.000Why are they trying to get more of them by dividing everybody and keeping anybody else from being able to speak up?
00:12:26.000If you guys can't unify, if we can't unify, and I know unity is one of those words that they made poisonous, if we can't unify across our differences, you have some differences, who cares?
00:13:03.000Because it's a divide and conquer strategy and it works.
00:13:06.000And the people with power and all the money and all the things realize that this is a tool that they can use to divide us and to continue to collect more money, resources, and power to themselves and take us toward totalitarianism.
00:13:18.000And do you really believe it's that sinister, James?
00:13:21.000Because I mean, of course, I do, but, you know, some people would call you a liberal.
00:13:53.000But James, is it really that Machiavellian?
00:13:56.000And is it really that they're in the room and they're like, you know, Jeff Bezos, right, worth $165 billion?
00:14:03.000Is it either, is it conscious or subconsciously really as simple as, you know, I want to kind of create warring tribes amongst the people so I can go to the, I can go to Saturn or something?
00:14:33.000Because all it cares about is winning the argument and gaining more power and manipulating the environment so that it can conform it to what it wants rather than what actually is.
00:14:42.000It's not interested in objective truth.
00:14:44.000It's interested in subjective ways of being that are able to divide and conquer and control people.
00:14:49.000That's why it is, I don't know about Jeff Bezos.
00:14:52.000A lot of these people are very convinced.
00:15:39.000In fact, I would argue that Christianity, by like an infinite margin, has far more evidence and reason-based arguments than this nonsensical critical race theory religion that we're seeing governing our country.
00:15:52.000Well, speaking as somebody who is not a Christian, I would agree with that.
00:16:05.000I think it would be really interesting.
00:16:07.000So, you have a doctorate in mathematics, and math, I believe, is a gift from God as a language for us to be able to understand and hopefully master the natural world against chaos.
00:16:21.000It's an amazing world once you start discovering it, of which I know very little.
00:16:26.000But math is centered around this idea of objective truth, correct?
00:16:44.000We have now seen this theme of my truth, James.
00:16:48.000You don't know what it's like to be a black lesbian woman.
00:16:52.000Therefore, I must have a lot of power, and you must sit down and shut up.
00:16:56.000Talk about the death of objectivity and how this all ties together.
00:17:00.000So, it's beyond even the death of objectivity, but we'll talk about that.
00:17:03.000It's the death of having things in common, it's the death of being able to find common ground or a common sensibility with which we can communicate with one another.
00:17:11.000The point of an objective view of the world is you may not agree with me about some fact about the world, but we agree about how we're going to go investigate it.
00:17:19.000We agree that there are methods that work better than others, okay?
00:17:23.000And so, with math, math is objective, it is absolutely like it's literally logically true.
00:17:30.000It is, there's no question about whether or not it's true.
00:17:39.000I know this is a controversial statement.
00:17:40.000In fact, I made it a controversial statement last year by trolling Nicole Hannah Jones of the New York Times into making fun of me for saying two plus two equals four, and then it blew up.
00:17:48.000And then you had the T.H. Chan School of Public Health at Harvard tweeting that two plus two equals five in the middle of a pandemic where half the country is afraid they're overcounting.
00:17:58.000So, the goal is to break down our ability to talk to one another and understand one another.
00:18:03.000And the reason is because if we can't understand one another in a common language, we can be controlled by the people who get to set the subjective standards.
00:18:12.000That new subjective standard, the new sensibility that's replacing a common sensibility is called intersectionality, which means, in short, we can talk about what it means in the theory, blah, blah, blah.
00:18:23.000But in short, it means you have to think about who you are and how systemic power dynamics influence whether what you said matters or not, always in everything.
00:18:32.000It's think about who you are and be divided against one another constantly.
00:18:37.000And that's how you're made to think under this ideology.
00:18:39.000And the reason is we have no objective ground to stand on.
00:18:42.000We have no common ground that we can understand one another in.
00:18:48.000So, you and I are going to explore this in kind of a backstage conversation in a podcast.
00:18:53.000But what I do want to keep it kind of high up here, James, is what was stunning for me when I read your wonderful website, New Discourses, which is the best website on all this woke garbage.
00:20:01.000So the reason is because math was, in their eyes, either stolen or created by white Western European people, men in particular, who wanted to gain mastery over the chaos of nature.
00:20:15.000But they did so in a way where they, without even necessarily realizing it in most cases, arranged affairs so that white Western ways of thinking about things would be privileged because that would give white Western people who wanted to then colonize the world and enslave people the tools and the power to do so over others.
00:20:32.000And they never even bothered to consider that there might be other ways to do mathematics.
00:20:36.000They stole mathematics from the Egyptians.
00:20:38.000They stole mathematics from the Middle East.
00:20:41.000They stole mathematics when they got to the new world from the Aztecs and the Mayans.
00:20:55.000That remnant of that original racism, which by the way is fake, that remnant of the original racism is still there and it's still used to subjugate.
00:21:02.000This is why it's racist against races that aren't white.
00:21:06.000Learning mathematics rigorously is positioned as a white position that upholds white power.
00:21:12.000And therefore, it's expected that black people and brown people, whatever brown means, are not able to learn math without having to succumb to a white power structure first and sell out who they really are in terms of their identity.
00:21:25.000That's why they think it's racist, which is patently insane.
00:21:28.000I don't even think I have to tell you why that's wrong.
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00:23:44.000I'm reading this essay by this guy, Daniel Solarzano, who's one of the biggest critical race theory and education people from back in the day.
00:23:52.000And he has this essay, and he's talking about how he got this email where this lady sends in, I think it's a woman, sends in this email saying, oh my gosh, this thing you published helped me so much with mathematics.
00:24:02.000I was trying to teach, I'm sorry, we're going to go math.
00:24:05.000I was trying to teach the coordinate axis, the XY thing.
00:24:08.000And my students always struggle with the coordinate plane.
00:24:11.000And then I showed them, well, if we put on the vertical axis commitment to social justice and we put on the horizontal axis, you know, commitment to objective truth or something like this, then blah, blah, blah.
00:24:21.000And they turned the entire teaching of basic XY plane functions and mathematics, algebra one, into a social justice lesson about how committed you are to social justice and how much it was commitment to change the world or something like that.
00:24:34.000You know, the point of studying things is to change the world, obviously, said Marx.
00:25:25.000And this is a very important message, if I might divert a little bit from the direct.
00:25:29.000I think that they do try to make people feel stupid, like you can't possibly understand this.
00:25:33.000But this is what you, I know we're going to get to it eventually, but this is what you have to do.
00:25:37.000So if I were going to give you guys some advice, there are a couple things I want to say.
00:25:40.000One is that you need to realize the period of history that you live in.
00:25:44.000You live in a period in history that's going to be one of those things, if we get through it, that people study in depth in 100 years.
00:25:51.000That's you now, and you need to rise to the challenge.
00:25:54.000But what you need to do to rise to the challenge is you need to get, I'm sorry, I know this is one of those moments like, how do you do fellow kids from the old guy?
00:26:13.000You need to know who you are spiritually.
00:26:15.000You need to know who you are mentally.
00:26:16.000You need to know who you are emotionally.
00:26:18.000You need to know who you are becoming professionally by going out and taking on challenges and taking risks and learning about yourself, learning about subjects that matter, learning to solve for X, if it's math, actually learning rigorous things,
00:26:30.000building a foundation for yourselves and getting ready because you are in a situation right now where by design, whether it's with math, these absurd arguments, whether it's with all the stuff with sex and gender and sexuality where they're literally trying to groom young people into not being able to figure out who they are as they go through puberty, you are in a situation where your identity itself is being undermined on purpose.
00:26:53.000Because if you don't know who you are, they can control you.
00:27:03.000That's why these arguments are so absurd is because if you can't figure out the real world, if you can't connect to reality, if you can't connect to objective truth, if you can't get your feet under you and get based, they can push you and throw you around.
00:27:36.000And you aren't competent enough to be able to figure it out because they've brainwashed you and programmed you to not be able to think for yourself or to attach to reality.
00:27:44.000And the only way out is to do the opposite: to get based, get attached to reality, get to know yourself, like I said, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it.
00:31:17.000You know, all this stuff, I don't quite believe it.
00:31:20.000I had somebody talk to me about the pronoun thing recently, a very tender-hearted, liberal young woman talking to me, and she says, you know, I'm the most trans-accepting.
00:31:29.000I'm the most, I know this is different from race, but I'm the most trans accepting.
00:31:32.000I'm the most gay accepting, et cetera, person.
00:31:34.000And I'll do the whole pronoun thing, but not those new ones, not those neo-pronouns they call them.