The Charlie Kirk Show - March 19, 2022


The Most Prophetic Man in Congress | In-Depth with Ron Paul


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Ron Paul joins Charlie on The Charlie Kirk Show to talk about the Iran situation and why we should not be getting involved in it. He also talks about why he thinks the U.S. should not get involved in Ukraine and Russia.

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00:02:17.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:20.000 I got to tell you, the man who really got me thinking differently about politics when I was in eighth grade was Congressman Ron Paul.
00:02:28.000 I was a Ron Paul revolution guy and back in middle school and high school, and I never agreed with everything he had to say.
00:02:34.000 But boy, did he open my eyes to topics and issues that no one talked about.
00:02:40.000 And it's just such an honor to have him here on this program.
00:02:43.000 He changed, I think, the American political conversation more than anybody else over the last 15 or 20 years.
00:02:50.000 Maybe Donald Trump a little bit more, but I'd say before that, Congressman, honored to have you on this program.
00:02:56.000 Charlie, nice to be with you.
00:02:58.000 So there's a lot of different topics we can talk about here.
00:03:01.000 How should we think about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict happening right now?
00:03:06.000 What should America's response be?
00:03:08.000 Well, my first response is so unnecessary.
00:03:11.000 That's, to me, the feeling I get, whether I was looking at the Vietnam War or the Middle East wars with Bush.
00:03:19.000 And when I see people coming back or reports of this, and I always say to myself, it's so unnecessary.
00:03:26.000 There's no need for this.
00:03:27.000 It doesn't make any sense.
00:03:29.000 And it's not allowed.
00:03:30.000 It's immoral.
00:03:31.000 It's unconstitutional.
00:03:32.000 And we ought not to get ourselves involved in so much of this tragedy.
00:03:37.000 And so can you walk our audience through kind of some of the foreign policy decisions over the last couple of decades that led to these sort of conflicts?
00:03:46.000 I remember there was a debate once.
00:03:48.000 I think you were running for president in 2008 or 2012.
00:03:51.000 And you had the courage just to kind of chime up and say, wait a second, you guys want to go to war with Iran.
00:03:56.000 We're the reason why the Iranian government is the way it is.
00:04:00.000 Talk a little about how overly aggressive U.S. intervention over the last couple of decades has actually made many of these theaters worse.
00:04:08.000 Well, there's a couple of things.
00:04:10.000 People, if they want to move in that direction, they have to understand the word intervention.
00:04:16.000 Do we have a moral authority that we can intervene around the world and pretend that we own the empire and we can dictate because we not only are not the strongest military power, up until now, at least, we're the strongest economic power and we still have reasonably control over the reserve currency of the world.
00:04:39.000 So intervention with that is very, very powerful.
00:04:43.000 But then the second question people have to ask, if they understand intervention, what guidelines do we have?
00:04:48.000 Well, you know, people at the audiences I spoke to would ask these questions frequently, what do you do?
00:04:53.000 What do you do?
00:04:54.000 This is a mess.
00:04:55.000 I say, well, it is a mess.
00:04:56.000 It's not going to be easy, but we can't simplify.
00:04:59.000 You could start off by just reading the Constitution.
00:05:04.000 We're supposed to, you know, everybody takes an oath of office.
00:05:07.000 They go to Washington and they put up their hand, but they have a completely different understanding of the Constitution, and they get away with saying whatever they want and doing whatever they want.
00:05:17.000 And the people eventually have to wake up.
00:05:20.000 So, yes, it's not that complicated.
00:05:24.000 And the other thing that people should be encouraged by is that when people wake up, it's been said, and sometimes I sort of have to struggle with this to explain it, but governments don't exist without the consent of the people.
00:05:39.000 You say, oh, no, that doesn't happen because how come there's so much bad stuff?
00:05:46.000 Well, it isn't a monolith.
00:05:48.000 It doesn't happen that everybody gets to vote.
00:05:51.000 But eventually, for instance, just look at the abuse that we've suffered here these last couple years with the war on COVID, the attack on our civil liberties and all the spending going on and the inflation and all these regulations.
00:06:08.000 But all of a sudden, you know, maybe six months ago or so, there was a subtle change and now there's a more major change.
00:06:15.000 More people are gaining back and they're going, wow, I can take off my mask.
00:06:21.000 It's sad that you're excited about doing something that you had a right to do from the time you were born.
00:06:27.000 So it's one of the things that people understand this.
00:06:31.000 So changing people's minds.
00:06:33.000 Charlie, what you have, you have a radio show, and I understand you're pretty much in the direction of protecting liberty.
00:06:40.000 So you're trying to talk to people and changing their minds.
00:06:43.000 So everybody has a responsibility.
00:06:45.000 People say, oh, I can't do that.
00:06:47.000 Charlie's an expert.
00:06:49.000 He's a natural on that.
00:06:51.000 But no, you know, I can remember for 20 years, I would go to the college campuses before I was in Congress and after I was in Congress and nobody had heard my name.
00:07:00.000 I would go to a college campus.
00:07:02.000 Somebody invited me because there was a small libertarian group.
00:07:04.000 And I said, what the heck?
00:07:06.000 You know, I'm in this to talk to people about ideas.
00:07:10.000 And I would talk to these huge crowds.
00:07:13.000 Sometimes I'd get 15 people to one meeting.
00:07:16.000 And I thought, wow, you know, and then all of a sudden something happened.
00:07:20.000 It changed and more people were interested.
00:07:22.000 So it's weird.
00:07:24.000 Conditions are getting worse in this country.
00:07:27.000 The cause of liberty is in shambles.
00:07:29.000 And yet I become more optimistic.
00:07:32.000 More people like you, Charlie, and others that have followed through and have their own little program.
00:07:38.000 So I think there's a tremendous boost.
00:07:40.000 I give Lou Rockwell a lot of credit, you know, educationally that he's introduced Austrian economics to a lot of people.
00:07:48.000 So, there's room for that, but people have to know about that and why, because it's not hard to understand once you get those few principles together, why we're in Ukraine, but it doesn't explain why are we not getting out of Ukraine.
00:08:05.000 That's the step that we have to look forward to.
00:08:07.000 So, something that some people struggle with, Congressman, that maybe you could help me help explain is that a lot of Americans don't like to see innocent people killed.
00:08:17.000 A lot of Americans don't like to be a bystander when those sort of things occur.
00:08:22.000 So, what would your response be?
00:08:24.000 How do we properly explain that?
00:08:26.000 You know, when these kind of moral injustices occur, how should we approach that?
00:08:32.000 How do we explain not involving ourselves when those kind of atrocities are unfolding?
00:08:39.000 Well, one, the involvement of getting involved, you don't have authority to do that.
00:08:44.000 If your neighbors are having a fight inside their house and you think you can straighten that out, you don't have a right to barge in there and with force tell them, quit your fighting, quit your fighting.
00:08:54.000 Now, we don't have the authority to do it.
00:08:56.000 The other one is practical because it really doesn't work.
00:09:00.000 If you want to, I worry about that too, because I can't stand the idea of seeing these people come back from these wars and the tragedy, and also the civilians killed.
00:09:09.000 But it's bad policy because they don't follow those rules that I outline.
00:09:14.000 Because, you know, I lean in the direction of being a pacifist because I think these wars are so horrible.
00:09:23.000 But if they do this and they follow this, all of a sudden it's completely different, but they don't have the authority to do this, to go get involved.
00:09:35.000 And then if you worry about the innocent people, you say, well, that makes my case for non-intervention, because I bet I can show you the statistic to show that interventionism is the culprit.
00:09:49.000 It's a concept that people have the right to get involved in their neighbor's business and their country's business and using force.
00:09:57.000 They don't accept the idea of the non-aggression principle.
00:10:00.000 You're not allowed to initiate aggression, no matter how much you might disagree with somebody else's ideas.
00:10:06.000 And if you look at the number, take for instance, the number of people that maybe you could pick out an eight-year period, eight years under George Bush and eight years under the Democrats.
00:10:19.000 And believe me, there's a lot of innocent people die because they both endorse the same foreign policy.
00:10:27.000 You know, this week they had a vote in the House and it was to cut off all trade with Russia, not all trade, but to take away trade with Russia and Belarus.
00:10:44.000 And it was eight Republicans voted against it.
00:10:50.000 Everybody else, Republicans and Democrats, all went along with more sanctions.
00:10:55.000 We don't have the right to do that.
00:10:57.000 I mean, it's interference.
00:10:59.000 So if you care about innocent people, I mean, you should look at it, you know, from the practical viewpoint, there's a lot more innocent people die when the illegal wars are accomplished.
00:11:10.000 And all the wars since World War II were fought without a declaration.
00:11:15.000 And just think of the many citizens and died and military people, enemy and friends.
00:11:21.000 I mean, it's not tens of thousands.
00:11:24.000 It's into the millions of people that like that.
00:11:28.000 And this has been especially true since World War II because we've dismissed this whole concept.
00:11:34.000 So to me, it's strictly this concept of the respect for law and order.
00:11:39.000 I remember the very first month or two, I was in Washington and they were working their way up to declaring war in the Middle East.
00:11:48.000 And that was before they went into Iraq.
00:11:52.000 And I thought, well, these people need to vote for what is necessary.
00:11:58.000 They want a war. 0.84
00:11:59.000 So I made them vote on a declaration of war.
00:12:02.000 They got hysterical.
00:12:03.000 This was terrible.
00:12:05.000 What I was doing to them, making them vote on it.
00:12:08.000 And they said that part of the Constitution was anachronistic.
00:12:13.000 We don't worry about that silly stuff in the Constitution.
00:12:17.000 That's the problem right there.
00:12:19.000 And not only is it an anachronistic for the Declaration of War, it's anachronistic for just about everything else.
00:12:25.000 You know, probably you could probably go down the list of the Bill of Rights and find out why none of that counts.
00:12:34.000 Just look at the abuse of our civil liberties during this lockdowns, you know, under COVID.
00:12:41.000 It's been horrible.
00:12:42.000 There's no protection of property.
00:12:44.000 And, you know, if I keep talking like this, I'll probably talk myself out of being an optimist, but I'm still an optimist because I think things are getting better.
00:12:53.000 And people's, and, you know, when the people woke up about COVID, guess what?
00:13:00.000 Their pressure on the government finally came around with some benefit with natural immunity, where people now, actually, some people can take off their mask again.
00:13:11.000 So, but the people had to change that.
00:13:13.000 But it's the lackadaisical effort of the people allowing these authoritarian, aggressive individuals who want to take over and they love it.
00:13:23.000 So even though we've made progress in settling down all this business of lockdown, there's a lot of power still in the hands of the politicians that they don't even want to relinquish, even though they may have backed off a little bit.
00:13:39.000 To me, it's still the study and understanding and the excitement about what a free society could be and should be like.
00:13:46.000 So you bring up a really important point, which is congressional authorization of war, which is not done nearly as often as people think.
00:13:54.000 Can you explain what the founders' intent was for this and how rare we have actually had a congressional authorization of war and where did we go wrong?
00:14:04.000 Where did Congress delegate that power to the executive branch, where most of our listeners are probably unaware that we don't follow the original constitutional structure when it comes to war?
00:14:17.000 The purpose was to let the people have a say in it.
00:14:20.000 And so the people could reach their Congress and say, don't vote for this war.
00:14:24.000 But it never worked perfectly.
00:14:26.000 But there certainly were less wars fought when they had to declare them and they didn't last long, how horrible World War II was.
00:14:34.000 It's actually pretty amazing what happened in three years militarily.
00:14:41.000 Major things happened, but it was a lot easier to know what we were fighting for.
00:14:46.000 But nobody knew what we were fighting for or why we were fighting in the Middle East.
00:14:51.000 So that hasn't occurred.
00:14:54.000 But I think what you're talking about actually started a short time after the end of World War II.
00:15:02.000 And when I was in high school, one of my teachers was drafted, redrafted.
00:15:06.000 He'd been in World War II.
00:15:07.000 He was redrafted for Korea and didn't come back.
00:15:11.000 And this to me was just so tragic.
00:15:16.000 But the tragedy there was, well, why did the Congress vote to go to war?
00:15:21.000 But it didn't vote to go to war.
00:15:23.000 Matter of fact, it was just a little police action.
00:15:26.000 And it was, you know, Truman.
00:15:29.000 And he says, we need to do their save humanity, promote liberty, and, you know, stop communism and all this stuff.
00:15:38.000 And it's something that the people bought into.
00:15:42.000 So, yes, the Truman people were terrible, but so were the Republicans who supported it.
00:15:49.000 And so was the media supporting it to convince all the, not all the Republicans, but Republicans that go along with the Democrats with their wars.
00:15:57.000 So it's something that people go along with it, but that war was never declared.
00:16:05.000 And that has sort of established the process ever since.
00:16:09.000 About a week or two after I first won a special election in 1976, way back then, I went to Congress and there was somebody, a Democrat that was ahead of a committee, and they were having a radio debate about the issue of declaration of war.
00:16:28.000 So I argued to K.
00:16:30.000 He said, you know, you should have it.
00:16:31.000 That's meant to be restrained.
00:16:33.000 Don't go to war too easily.
00:16:36.000 And the other individual was very polite and dignified and very professional.
00:16:41.000 He says, I know, Mr. Paul, you're doing this and you're defending the Constitution, but you might as well admit it.
00:16:48.000 There's never going to be another declaration of war in this Congress.
00:16:54.000 So that was his perception.
00:16:55.000 We didn't need it, didn't have it.
00:16:57.000 And the rules have been established.
00:16:59.000 And it was so discouraging.
00:17:00.000 I said, oh, that can't be the case.
00:17:02.000 But he was exactly right.
00:17:04.000 They don't even consider it and they mock it.
00:17:07.000 If somebody like myself brings it up and say, you know, you ought to consider the Constitution, even with its imperfections, you know, it at least slows things up.
00:17:19.000 And that, of course, is eliminated, like so many other things in the Constitution.
00:17:29.000 We just totally ignore protection of property.
00:17:31.000 Just think how the privilege of freedom of speech has been undermined here in the last couple of years.
00:17:39.000 But it's still, it's up to the people to wake up and do a hand.
00:17:44.000 Just think of the people who finally said, I'm going to the PTA meeting and I'm going to talk to the school board members.
00:17:52.000 And I'll do.
00:17:53.000 And all of a sudden, there were other people who agreed.
00:17:55.000 And in some places, all of a sudden, they fired the whole school board.
00:17:58.000 So the people have to be alert to it and they have to be willing to act out.
00:18:04.000 And everybody has a personal responsibility as far as I'm concerned to participate.
00:18:10.000 I couldn't agree more.
00:18:11.000 Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.
00:18:13.000 So many of our leaders don't even dare read it when it comes to Declaration of War.
00:18:16.000 I believe there's only been five official declarations of war.
00:18:19.000 It's War of 1812, Mexican-American, Spanish-American, World War I, and World War II.
00:18:23.000 Congressman, I want to play a tape of you from 2014, CUT 118, of you predicting what might happen in Ukraine.
00:18:33.000 It was awfully prophetic.
00:18:35.000 Play Cut 118.
00:18:37.000 Unfortunately, the people who are more powerful in the East, the ones who are more powerful in the West, want help.
00:18:43.000 One seeks the United States to get money and support, and the other one seeks Russia.
00:18:48.000 So it's a mess.
00:18:48.000 But one thing for sure, the only thing we have a control of and an American president would have control of is to mind our own business.
00:18:55.000 Unfortunately, we have done exactly the opposite.
00:18:58.000 There was a conversation caught between the Assistant Secretary of State and our ambassador, Ukraine, planning strategy on how to take over the country and who's going to be the leader of the country in the future.
00:19:10.000 That is not good.
00:19:12.000 That's very bad.
00:19:13.000 It won't solve the problems.
00:19:14.000 It'll just dig another quagmire for us and it won't help the Ukrainians. 1.00
00:19:18.000 So you saw it clearly back in 2014.
00:19:21.000 Seems awfully prophetic that we're happening now.
00:19:25.000 What are your thoughts?
00:19:27.000 Well, I guess it's sort of weird.
00:19:31.000 Wow, did I say that?
00:19:33.000 That sounds pretty good.
00:19:34.000 Yeah.
00:19:34.000 All of a sudden, I go back and I reflect because probably if I walked off the floor or something, somebody asked me, I said, Nobody listened, nobody was there.
00:19:43.000 What good was it?
00:19:44.000 So it looks like if you stick to your principles and follow through, you know, the one thing we don't know is how much benefit comes from it.
00:19:55.000 And I think this is the reason I'm fascinated with the story of the remnant.
00:19:58.000 The remnant exists all the time, and there's always somebody there.
00:20:03.000 If you speak the truth and do your best and participate in a remnant of people who want to maintain the truth, there's always a remnant, according to biblical scripture, that the remnant is there, whether it's spiritual or economics.
00:20:19.000 I believe that there's going to be people out there that will retain it.
00:20:22.000 So all of a sudden, that's why, you know, like I just remarked about how much a pleasant surprise was that one individual at a PTA meeting stood up and all of a sudden the whole school board got fired.
00:20:37.000 So there's a subtleness there.
00:20:40.000 It's there.
00:20:41.000 It isn't dead and gone, but it's quiescent in many ways.
00:20:45.000 But in some ways, we see that things are waking up and they are better.
00:20:50.000 But I see this as a time of opportunity because the monetary system isn't going to last.
00:20:56.000 The foreign policy is in spite of all our power.
00:21:00.000 It's in distress because it is all mixed up.
00:21:03.000 And what is the purpose of it?
00:21:06.000 And we're going to run out of real wealth and we won't be able to afford so much of this.
00:21:11.000 And the country is going to get poor and we will have to make a decision.
00:21:17.000 And this is, and somebody says, yeah, you're going to end up with Marxism, a bunch of cultural Marxism and economic Marxism that want chaos.
00:21:27.000 And when you look at the economic policies we have today, they're having chaos and they're causing friction and they're causing poverty.
00:21:34.000 And I couldn't believe what's happening on our streets and the homelessness and the tense cities in places like San Francisco, Chicago.
00:21:43.000 I mean, it is so bad, but still, I do believe there is that remnant out there, and all of us should make an effort to grow and identify with it.
00:21:55.000 But don't the Bible tells you, don't ever try to count them because nobody knows where they are.
00:22:00.000 And yet they're available.
00:22:02.000 And we have to our personal responsibility, as far as I'm concerned, is to deal with our own selves, to understand and to study and know what is right.
00:22:13.000 Leonard Reed, who had the Foundation for Economic Education, was sort of a promoter of that idea.
00:22:20.000 You really can't just yell at people and think they're going to change their mind.
00:22:26.000 And he says that if you have an issue, whether it's an economic issue or worry issue, and you're prepared and can do it, he said, well, who's going to come?
00:22:38.000 We don't even know where they are.
00:22:40.000 You're not supposed to have a list on.
00:22:42.000 There was no internet.
00:22:42.000 There's no way listen.
00:22:44.000 And he said, the people will come.
00:22:47.000 They will find you.
00:22:49.000 And I sort of think three or four times I've had individuals come up and tell me that.
00:22:55.000 I remember in Congress, it didn't happen very often, but every once in a while, a congressman would come up.
00:23:00.000 You know, I've been watching you for two years, voting by yourself.
00:23:03.000 I had no idea what you're doing.
00:23:05.000 So why don't you tell me why you knew it was a bad thing to go to war in Iraq?
00:23:12.000 And very sincere, changed his whole tune about war.
00:23:18.000 So it happens, but it's very slow and very sluggish.
00:23:21.000 So if you're in this business, I've learned to develop patience because I sort of somebody said, how do you put up with it?
00:23:28.000 Isn't it disgusting?
00:23:29.000 And you get discouraged.
00:23:30.000 I said, no, I'm just realistic about it.
00:23:35.000 I'm a little bit pessimistic, but it turns out always better than I expect.
00:23:39.000 I have low expectations, but the outcomes have generally been much better than I ever dreamed they would be.
00:23:45.000 Let me just kind of ask you first: just what should our approach be to the Federal Reserve?
00:23:50.000 Give our audience a little bit of history.
00:23:52.000 We have a lot of younger listeners.
00:23:54.000 You know, back in 2010, 11, and 12, when you were running for president and doing a lot of the advocacy you were doing, monetary policy became kind of like a topic, a top topic, if you will, in the conservative libertarian space.
00:24:08.000 We don't talk about it as much anymore.
00:24:10.000 So please just kind of introduce our audience to the history of our monetary system.
00:24:15.000 I know you don't have enough time to go into all of it, and then how should we approach it?
00:24:19.000 Well, I approach it in a way that I think I approach all the issues because I like to see things and try to explain in my own mind the moral principle and the moral ideas behind it, and also the practicality of is it a good idea and also the Constitution.
00:24:39.000 And I mentioned many times that you probably have heard me say that an eye-opening day for me was August 15th, 1971, about eight o'clock at night when Nixon gave his speech of introducing the wage and price controls and tariffs and closing the gold window, declaring bankruptcy.
00:24:59.000 We would no longer honor our commitment, even though they weren't doing a very good job already, that they would not honor the dollar.
00:25:08.000 And to me, the Federal Reserve is just licensed theft.
00:25:14.000 It's a counterfeiter.
00:25:17.000 Why would we go out and say, you know, what we want is a system of money, which is counterfeiting.
00:25:21.000 So there's 22 criminal groups out there.
00:25:25.000 They counterfeit money all the time.
00:25:26.000 You go and you pick the best one, the most efficient one of counterfeiting money and fooling the people and lying to the people.
00:25:34.000 And you finally pick them and say, you're the chief counterfeiter.
00:25:37.000 So we ended up with the chief counterfeiter and it was established in 1913.
00:25:43.000 And it was designed for the purpose of bailing out banks and having perpetual growth of government and deceiving the people.
00:25:51.000 It was meant to be able to pay for welfare warfare and all the militarism that we have.
00:25:58.000 And they would always be smart enough to put on restraints.
00:26:01.000 So right now we're having a little problem like that.
00:26:04.000 And they say, oh, we're solving our problem.
00:26:06.000 We just raised interest rates 0.25%, and that's going to solve the problem.
00:26:13.000 No, it's to me, it's the counterfeiting.
00:26:16.000 It's the taxes, the evil of it.
00:26:19.000 So what happens when they do spend this money?
00:26:21.000 $6 trillion since COVID and all this money for Ukraine.
00:26:27.000 We don't have the money, so we print it.
00:26:28.000 We go to the counterfeiters and they're heroes.
00:26:31.000 Oh, we'll print our money and this sort of thing.
00:26:34.000 And guess what?
00:26:36.000 That causes the dollar to go out of value.
00:26:40.000 And what happens then?
00:26:41.000 Oh, you need more dollars.
00:26:42.000 You know, if everybody understood what it meant, if all of a sudden there was a one day where if this say bread was $2 a loaf and the next day it was $4 a loaf and it was universal across the board and people say, wow, this is terrible.
00:27:01.000 What's the government going to do about it?
00:27:03.000 Give me more money.
00:27:04.000 I want to pay for this.
00:27:05.000 But it is theft, it's fraud, and it does a lot of harm, even though on the short run, a lot of people make a lot of money.
00:27:15.000 If they had, if I had my way, it wouldn't be acceptable because I would cut off the spigot.
00:27:22.000 And politically, actually, it's not going to work.
00:27:26.000 It won't work that way.
00:27:27.000 So there has to be a revision of this.
00:27:30.000 But just all the big government, it's a form of taxation because who has to pay those higher prices?
00:27:37.000 Who will be most affected by the bread going from two to four?
00:27:41.000 It'll be low middle class and the poor because they'll pay it. 1.00
00:27:46.000 So they're paying all the taxes.
00:27:47.000 They'll say, oh, no, lower 50%.
00:27:50.000 They don't pay any income taxes.
00:27:52.000 Yeah, but they pay, they suffer more from the inflation tax.
00:27:57.000 So it's sinister, it's deceptive, it's a tax, and it's immoral.
00:28:02.000 Other than that, it's a grand idea, you know, for the professional counterfeiters.
00:28:08.000 So I want to shift gears.
00:28:10.000 You mentioned this, and this is something where you, if there was any topic where you opened my eyes the most, it would be our monetary system and where I'm probably in the most agreement with you, where I think most Americans need to just do a crash course on your book and the Fed and this entire fiat currency system that we've basically built our entire civilization around.
00:28:31.000 I want to play a clip here of you from a couple years ago on the Federal Reserve, and then we could talk about it.
00:28:35.000 Play Cut 114.
00:28:37.000 In a nutshell, Congressman, how has the Fed destroyed the value of money?
00:28:43.000 What has it done to us in the nearly 100 years it's been in existence?
00:28:48.000 Well, its policy is deliberate devaluation of the currency just by increasing units.
00:28:54.000 If you increase the units of substance, the value per unit goes down.
00:28:58.000 So they've been doing this systematically since 1913, and now we're working on a dollar that's worth two cents compared to 1913.
00:29:05.000 And they do it with an understanding or at least a belief in their hearts that they can do central economic planning through manipulation of money supply and interest rates.
00:29:15.000 And they can't.
00:29:16.000 So we could play that even further, but you're saying exactly the same thing, it sounds like.
00:29:21.000 What should our monetary system be?
00:29:23.000 Because some people say, oh, gold is outdated.
00:29:26.000 What should we base a currency on?
00:29:29.000 The people should decide.
00:29:32.000 You know, the people, when the economy and society breaks down, the people always decide.
00:29:39.000 They come up with the money.
00:29:40.000 Some people might have some coins around.
00:29:42.000 Some people, after wars, they've used everything just so it had substance to it.
00:29:48.000 It was an asset like cigarettes or whatever.
00:29:51.000 So ultimately, the people have to endorse it.
00:29:53.000 That's how all money originates by the people picking it out.
00:29:57.000 And it fascinates me to read about how gold was picked out because it was used for a long time before it was actually even called money, but it was natural and the people used it.
00:30:08.000 And it was something that they ended up trusting.
00:30:12.000 So the people have to make that choice.
00:30:17.000 But, you know, you can have laws, but the laws didn't do so well.
00:30:22.000 We had it in the Constitution.
00:30:24.000 We broke the Constitution.
00:30:25.000 Did we amend the Constitution?
00:30:27.000 You know, if we all of a sudden tomorrow had all constitutionalists in Washington, we would change the monetary system because it's way over and above.
00:30:36.000 And then we would make sure they never go to war without a declaration. 0.53
00:30:40.000 Make sure that they don't keep printing money for the welfare state, not only just for people here, but for around the world.
00:30:48.000 They've already started listing.
00:30:50.000 How many people are coming in?
00:30:52.000 Not the southern border problem we have.
00:30:55.000 How many people are coming from Afghanistan?
00:30:57.000 And now they're lining up from Ukraine.
00:31:00.000 They're coming here.
00:31:01.000 That's all welfareism.
00:31:03.000 It causes so much distortion that it goes endlessly.
00:31:08.000 It's very, very tempting, but it always fails.
00:31:13.000 Paper money always fails and fiat money doesn't work.
00:31:17.000 But you don't know when and how fast it will be.
00:31:21.000 But most of the time, it most likely injures the middle class and the poor.
00:31:26.000 And the bankers, you know, they walk off with the gold.
00:31:30.000 Yeah, so let's play this out in the next, I mean, it's hard to predict, but you actually are really good at predicting.
00:31:36.000 So, where does this go in the next couple of years?
00:31:38.000 I mean, where do people put their assets, I suppose, is the question I'm asking.
00:31:43.000 Well, you know, I think the fact that gold and silver originated as the money.
00:31:50.000 Matter of fact, the Constitution and the Monetary Act of 1792 recognized silver was our money.
00:31:57.000 So having that, I think, is important.
00:32:01.000 I was a coin collector as a kid.
00:32:04.000 We had a retail dairy business, and I looked at every single coin.
00:32:08.000 But back then, believe it or not, there was copper in the pennies.
00:32:12.000 There was nickels in the nickels, and there was silver in the dimes.
00:32:16.000 And it was a lot more fun.
00:32:17.000 I lost all interest in looking at every coin once they got rid of that.
00:32:22.000 And I thought, I think it was in the early 1980s.
00:32:25.000 They said, we can't even afford copper into pennies.
00:32:30.000 We couldn't even afford a copper standard.
00:32:33.000 But people should have alternatives.
00:32:36.000 And everybody's life is a little bit different.
00:32:38.000 Some people, a lot of libertarians, are very up to this idea of parking wealth overseas and having places to go.
00:32:47.000 And I have nothing against it.
00:32:48.000 I just worry about the controls the government's going to have on us going back and forth overseas and us traveling.
00:32:56.000 Already there's so many restrictions on travel now that it's a real problem.
00:33:01.000 But overseas, it's still people like that idea.
00:33:06.000 Some people like to have the property where they can live off the property they have and have some survival equipment.
00:33:15.000 But you know, when I go through all this and I do a lot of that myself, I end up, my total conclusion was: well, if you want to protect yourself, the most important investment you have to make is the investment in protecting and promoting liberty.
00:33:35.000 Because I am convinced that if the outcome of the episode that we're just entering right now, if in a year from now it's in total chaos, if you took off all the regulations and returned the monetary system to the people and got rid of the taxing system,
00:33:54.000 I think if you released all that creative energy where people didn't have to deal with the excessive regulations and the taxing system, that in a year or so, I think the country would be back on the feet again.
00:34:07.000 And when I tell people that and they say, well, I'd like to have a year of freedom.
00:34:12.000 I think I could really build up some wealth.
00:34:15.000 So this sort of thing.
00:34:16.000 So no, invest in liberty.
00:34:18.000 And that's why I get so excited about talking about it because it fits my personal beliefs about the moral principles of liberty and where liberty really comes from.
00:34:28.000 And also the practicality of it.
00:34:31.000 If you care about people, you care about poor people. 0.92
00:34:34.000 You have to care about a market economy.
00:34:37.000 And if you care about it, and most people do, but they don't understand what to do about it.
00:34:41.000 If you care about living in a peaceful society and not sending kids off with a draft, which is always potentially available, still on the books.
00:34:50.000 You can't even get that off the books, off to these wars.
00:34:54.000 I mean, how can anybody turn this down?
00:34:56.000 I can always say to myself and other people, how can we have this philosophy that is so adaptive to a wonderful society?
00:35:06.000 How come we're not doing better?
00:35:08.000 It's available even under stressed conditions.
00:35:12.000 It's available that the people demand it that they have a free society.
00:35:16.000 And This is something that I think we who are interested and have knowledge about it have this obligation.
00:35:26.000 I have this silly notion that if you come around that you're comfortable with your beliefs and not somebody that's just blowing a lot of wind, that you say, you know, these ideas are right and I feel strongly about it.
00:35:39.000 I think you have a moral obligation to spread that message.
00:35:42.000 I mean, don't we take some basic principles and have a moral responsibility to our children?
00:35:48.000 I mean, most people accept this.
00:35:49.000 Why can't couldn't that expand to education? 0.96
00:35:53.000 But here, who's the competition?
00:35:55.000 Government schools.
00:35:57.000 Now, there's a problem.
00:35:59.000 Big time.
00:35:59.000 So, Congressman, in closing, how can people follow you and support you?
00:36:02.000 And tell us about the show you're doing.
00:36:05.000 Well, I do a live stream show on a computer and Ron Paul Liberty Report.
00:36:14.000 And Daniel Mink Adams is on there with me and Chris Rossini.
00:36:19.000 And we talk a lot about what we talked about on this program, you know, just today and try to keep up.
00:36:26.000 We do a lot of on talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.
00:36:32.000 And there's a lot of activity there.
00:36:34.000 About a year ago, we talked really and trying to get people galvanized and find and trying to figure out what was really going on with COVID.
00:36:43.000 But I have other organizations too, and I still do a lot of speaking and I just do the things.
00:36:53.000 And I have the most fun talking to young people because I think you said that you actually knew something about me when you were in grade school.
00:37:07.000 Yes.
00:37:08.000 That's pretty good.
00:37:09.000 You know, one thing that I liked the best was when teenagers brought their parents to my congressional office after we had a campaign to introduce them to me.
00:37:20.000 And I thought the parents would be embarrassed, but they loved it because they loved the idea that their kids cared about it and they were understanding ideas about government.
00:37:30.000 Terrific.
00:37:31.000 Well, Congressman, thank you so much for your time.
00:37:33.000 And we'll see you soon.
00:37:34.000 Thanks for the fight for liberty.
00:37:36.000 Thank you very much.
00:37:37.000 Nice to be in with you.
00:37:39.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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