00:00:09.000We dive through the micro aspect of this, and then we have the person who conducted the poll joins the program, Donald from the Great Heartland Institute.
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00:02:59.000Dare I say even none dare call it a conspiracy.
00:03:03.000The macro part of the 2020 election, which has received all of the attention, understandably, was detailed in Molly Ball's piece, the plot to save the 2020 election, when they admitted that there was a conspiracy.
00:03:16.000Now, we've mentioned this a couple times, but I do not think this has received nearly enough attention.
00:03:22.000And Dennis Prager, to his great credit, dear friend of mine and teacher of mine, he has been on this more than anybody else.
00:03:28.000And he said, the aspect that we'll never know, the mystery of the 2020 election, the mystery of the 2022 election, is the micro cheating.
00:03:38.000And micro cheating is made possible when you change election laws and you do the act when no one is watching you.
00:03:59.000Your behavior would be a lot different.
00:04:00.000Your behavior in private or in secret is always different than the behavior if you think other people are watching.
00:04:06.000The way elections used to work and the way elections work in the Netherlands and the way that elections work in Japan and the way that elections even work in the United Kingdom is that you leave your home and you go to an outside location that is transparently observed by nonpartisan or bipartisan actors.
00:05:49.000The Democrats, they knew that as long as you had to get into a car to go vote, number one, the more responsible and the more mature citizens will show up more than the irresponsible, immature citizens.
00:06:04.000People that pay taxes, that have kids, aka advantage conservatives.
00:06:09.000Having to go to a location to go vote and have those systems that check and balance, that have more honesty and integrity than not, it advantaged the people that work for a living, not the people that smoke weed for a living.
00:06:40.000In Georgia, you go from 248,000 to 2.4 million, a ten-fold factor increase in two years.
00:06:51.000So instead of going to a physical location and voting and showing an ID or at least having some signature verification, we decided to spit out ballots in every direction using COVID as an excuse.
00:07:03.000The Democrats, they looked at this as the deathblow on the Republic.
00:07:07.000Finally, they can shorten the enthusiasm gap.
00:07:10.000Finally, they are able to get pieces of paper to people in private.
00:07:16.000And who knows exactly what is going to happen.
00:07:19.000Now, micro-cheating is impossible to prove.
00:07:24.000A new poll is as close as we are ever going to get to proving it.
00:07:30.000It's as close as we are ever going to get to make the argument.
00:07:34.000Now, we know this to be true using our reason, using our common sense, using the faculties that our Lord gave us.
00:07:42.000But when you have millions and millions and millions of ballots that are being sent out, we're supposed to believe that every single person is acting ethically and honestly when they do that.
00:08:22.000A new poll from Heartland Rasmussen finds that one in five Americans admit to engaging in behavior in 2020 that was technically election fraud.
00:08:33.00021% of likely voters who voted by absentee or mail-in ballot in the 2020 election say they filled out a ballot in part or full on behalf of a friend or a family member.
00:08:43.000Now, some of that is that really quote-unquote game-changing election fraud.
00:09:21.000If a parent doesn't care about voting, but their college-educated kid does, and she just takes their ballots, fill them out, get them to sign them in a rush, and then drops all the ballots off, that's fraud, but it will never be caught.
00:09:33.000The way we used to do elections is you got to go to a polling place.
00:09:40.000It took too much effort because the Democrat Party is largely, it's two groups of people, oligarchs and unsatisfied, miserable upper-middle-class, college-educated white people and permanently government-addicted underclass.
00:09:55.000And the permanently government-addicted underclass, they tend to not work.
00:10:00.000They tend to not have as much skin in the game.
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00:11:51.000This argument Dennis Prager has made for a while, and it's so important, and it's impossible to prove, but we know it's happening.
00:11:58.000And we get little glimpses here, glimpses here, glimpses there.
00:12:01.000Again, this is not even talking about the Center for Technology and Civic Life and the drop boxes and all of that nonsense.
00:12:09.000We're talking about a 88-year-old in Peoria, Arizona, who gets sent to ballot.
00:12:17.000And their granddaughter, who is 21 and lesbian, purple hair, who believes Donald Trump is Hitler, goes over and visits the grandmother and says, Hey, let's vote and let's get this done with.
00:12:33.000By the way, this happens all the time.
00:12:34.000The New York Times called this granny farming.
00:12:37.000They had a term for it called granny farming.
00:12:40.000And the lesbian, purple-haired, anti-Trump activist young person fills out the ballot and submits it.
00:12:48.000If you think, if you believe that you are running against Adolf Hitler, would you cheat?
00:12:59.000Let me go a step further and be more specific.
00:13:02.000If there was an election and you knew who Hitler was and you knew what he was planning to do and you had an opportunity to cheat in an election against Adolf Hitler, Blake, what year was an election Hitler?
00:13:32.000In the election of spring of 33, which was the last election that Hitler basically conducted before cementing his power as a feud dictator, would you have cheated?
00:13:45.000Would you, if the rules, if they had then, back then, you know, ballots going everywhere, they had a system to do that, would you, in the cover of night, illegally scooped up ballots and forged signatures to make sure that Hitler would not have become fewer of Germany?
00:14:01.000At least you would have done your part to say that I did everything I could to prevent it and stop it.
00:14:11.000If you did not do that, I think that you're a bad person.
00:14:18.000I think that you have a moral imperative.
00:14:21.000If you were really, if you knew the Holocaust was coming and you had an opportunity to prevent that from happening, then you have a moral imperative to do whatever you possibly can to stop it.
00:14:35.000And what they have done by calling Trump Hitler, and they say that Trump echoes Nazism, and there are thousands of clips that we could play, okay?
00:14:45.000Articles, Time magazine, just here's one of many.
00:14:50.000Then these deranged lunatics on the left have convinced themselves that they are fighting the Third Reich.
00:15:00.000So you have millions and millions of ballots, and they justify to themselves that the cheating and the lying and the corner cutting, it's them stopping Hitler.
00:15:16.000People would get legitimately elected, and then they would try to do away with elections and do away with opposition and do away with a free press.
00:15:26.000And you could see it in countries where, well, Hitler was duly elected, right?
00:15:32.000And so all of a sudden, somebody with those tendencies, those dictatorial authoritarian tendencies, would be like, okay, we're going to shut this down.
00:15:41.000We're going to throw these people in jail.
00:15:43.000And they didn't usually telegraph that.
00:15:46.000Trump is telling us what he intends to do.
00:16:26.000Do you only fill in the ballots that are aligned with your name?
00:16:31.000Or do you do everything you possibly can to stop Nazism?
00:16:34.000What I'm getting at is the media intentionally created a narrative so that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of left-wing people can rationalize their cheating.
00:16:48.000They created the moral justification for a massive micro steal.
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00:17:35.000Okay, joining us now is Donald Kendall, deputy director of the Heartland Institute, Heartland Institute, of course, from Chicago, Illinois, the suburbs of Chicago, on this now viral survey.
00:17:47.000Coming clean, one in five admits the 2020 election fraud.
00:17:51.000Donald, thank you for joining the program.
00:17:54.000But yes, so this poll that we did, we actually came up with this, a colleague and I came up with this idea about a month ago.
00:18:01.000And we just, you know, we thought all the stories about potential voter fraud and all of that, mail-in balloting, the issues that are related to that.
00:18:09.000We just thought, you know, what if we just asked people?
00:18:12.000What if we just asked them whether or not they committed fraud?
00:18:15.000Obviously, we wouldn't use the word fraud, but we'll just ask them if they did a series of things that would be fraudulent when it comes to mail-in balloting.
00:18:24.000And we thought, maybe we'll get 3%, maybe we'll get 5% that would admit this, right?
00:18:51.000But when it came back and it was one in five, that it averaged out to be about 20% of people admitting to fraud when it came to mail-in balloting, we couldn't believe it.
00:19:00.000So we were so excited to kind of release the results and see what the response would be.
00:19:05.000And yeah, it has gone, it has gone pretty viral.
00:19:08.000President Trump says, quote, the most important poll released in the last 20 years came out yesterday, stating that 20% of mail-in ballots in the 2020 election were rigged or defective.
00:19:17.000Well, that's not exactly what it was, but we'll go with it.
00:19:20.000That means that the election was a giant scam.
00:19:22.000You cannot have fair and honest election as long as they're in mail-in ballots.
00:19:27.000France and many other countries have stopped the madness.
00:19:29.000The Republican Party must do something now.
00:19:31.000Now, I do want to hone in on this, Donald, which is that when you do have tens of millions of ballots unregulated, it does open the opportunity for people to push the boundaries and to do things that are untoward, fraudulent, or illegal, doesn't it?
00:19:49.000And I've heard some people, it's funny because you see the first rush of people covering this story and they just report the findings of the report of the survey and say, wow, this is crazy, you know, 20%.
00:20:01.000And then you see the second wave of kind of the left response to it.
00:20:06.000And they're trying to dismiss it in a whole series of ways.
00:20:08.000And maybe it's not as nefarious as you might think.
00:20:12.000You know, oh, we've had mail-in balloting before and all of this, and it's never been an issue.
00:20:16.000And it's just like, I don't know where these people are coming from because the mail-in balloting that we'd had prior to COVID is radically different than the system that we had set up during the 2020 election, where basically everybody was sent to ballot and everybody can vote that way.
00:20:31.000So no doubt that was just a recipe for disaster.
00:20:35.000And I don't think anyone's ever asked these questions and found out that, yeah, 20% of people admitting that, yeah, we didn't do this the way that you were supposed to.
00:20:43.000So that was the system that we opened ourselves up to.
00:20:46.000And of course, there was a lot of people speculating about potential fraud.
00:20:51.000And I think this is one of the first polls that really highlight the reality of that situation.
00:20:55.000Well, and then just educate our audience.
00:20:57.000For example, if you fill out a ballot for another family member, and if they're not dehabilized, I believe the law is if they are not, let's just say, you know, pretty, let's just say have dementia, it's illegal, correct?
00:21:10.000The only way you could do that is if you're a specific, if you like, fill out a form with the county that you can do it for a specific person.
00:21:18.000For example, if your grandmother has Alzheimer's or something.
00:21:25.000It was just like, well, maybe these are just maybe these are just a wife and their spouse just sitting down at the kitchen table and kind of filling it out together or something.
00:21:35.000Maybe, you know, the husband is making dinner and his hands are dirty.
00:21:42.000And it would not be the case if you actually had to go to a ballot box and vote, like how we've done for the history of this country.
00:21:50.000You can't just bring your wife or husband into the ballot box with you.
00:21:53.000So regardless of how you want to like twist this in any way to make it not seem as nefarious, it still boils down to fraud.
00:22:00.000And the fact that is that these levels of fraud, 20%, and this is, I think that the numbers on this are 40% or so of people say that they voted via mail-in ballot during the 2020 election.
00:22:14.000So 20% of that, we're talking about tens of millions of votes that were cast in an illegitimate way.
00:22:21.000Like that is enough to sway any election in any country.
00:22:25.000So it's really eye-opening to see these results.
00:22:28.000So but the other number that I think is really fascinating is like, okay, let's put, first of all, this is self-reported.
00:23:24.000And I won't name any names, but I know personally certain people that have done this, maybe not in this past election, but they move and maybe they're not registered in the current state.
00:23:34.000So they think, oh, you know, the morality of this is fine.
00:23:37.000I'm just going to cast a ballot in the state that I used to live in.
00:25:45.000Well, it's very curious because I had just heard from a different colleague when we were talking about some of this when the poll results came in that the rejection rate of these mail-in ballots was like less than a half a percent or something like that.
00:25:58.000And I just wonder, like, how egregious must have those ballots been to have been rejected if all of these one in five were accepted.
00:26:06.000So I don't know what the, you know, what it kind of takes to have a ballot rejected, but it seems like it's a pretty high bar, if I had to guess, especially in certain counties, like you were saying.
00:26:16.000But we're told this is the most secure election in history.
00:26:25.000In fact, if you, especially after what happened with Trump and everything, if you even question, if you even question the legitimacy of this election, you are subject to being shadow banned or deplatformed or any number of things.
00:26:41.000And this shows very clearly that this election should be looked at very critically, especially when we're doing this mass mail-in balloting, which has not been done before.
00:26:52.000And to just assume that it was all great and everyone played by the rules, I think it's just incredibly naive and just serves the agenda of maybe the administration that took office.
00:27:02.000So we've all been told that we shouldn't be looking under the under the you know under the hood of this election.
00:27:09.000And I really think that this poll was one of the first ones that really did just pop open that hood and see what's going on in that engine.
00:27:18.000And in some states, it's getting even worse, right?
00:27:21.000It's getting even worse with the proliferation of mail-in ballots.
00:27:25.000Among all voters, mail-in person, 11% said a family member, friend, or co-worker, other acquaintances, and minutes of them, they filled out a ballot on behalf of another person.
00:27:33.000So 11% of people know other people that are cheating.
00:27:36.000So this is just like a massive fraudulent exercise, isn't it?
00:27:42.000And I really wonder, I think Trump mentioned this in one of his posts about this, that it's like, you know, the Republicans have to do something about it.
00:27:50.000And obviously, this kind of starts at the state level to kind of clean up your election rules when it comes to your state.
00:28:10.000I want to talk to you after the break.
00:28:11.000By the way, it would be probably helpful for people to run PSAs saying, hey, if you're filling out a ballot, that is illegal and you might be prosecuted.
00:28:29.000Yeah, no, I think we covered most of the numbers.
00:28:32.000And of course, if you want to see more information on it, you can go to heartland.org.
00:28:36.000You'll find it right on the front of the page there.
00:28:39.000But I actually had a question for you on this, Charlie, because I was wondering about, especially considering just the outrageous numbers, do you think that this goes to, this could potentially exonerate Trump in any way on some of the charges that he's facing when it comes to election fraud denial?
00:28:56.000Yeah, I mean, the charges are not necessarily on, I mean, it's we have yet to see.
00:29:01.000I mean, I think this is big enough where this should create a mass movement to fix mail-in ballots once and for all.
00:29:08.000It's not going to, because what they do is they create rationalization campaigns by saying that Donald Trump is Hitler.
00:29:16.000And if everyone gets, you know, it's my dirty little secret that I got sent in three ballots and I filled all three in, right?
00:29:23.000It's my dirty little secret that my grandmother, who is now blind or 95 years old, and she tells me to go vote for Trump and I fill out Biden, right?
00:29:39.000The New York Times had it as a term 10 years ago, which young activists would go to nursing homes or old people's homes and scoop up ballots and fraudulently forge their will and their intent.
00:29:53.000So this is a major, but this would not be a problem if we had voting the way it used to be and they don't want it to be that way.
00:30:01.000I think it's almost like, you know, and you're joking about the idea of voter suppression or just warning people about the rules associated with it.
00:30:12.000But that, that, could you imagine, you know, politicians coming out now and saying, you know what, maybe this mail-in balloting thing, we don't need to do it anymore.
00:30:20.000Like that's going to rain down the same calls of so-called voter suppression.
00:30:24.000So I think the longer you wait, in fact, I think the worse that those calls will be.
00:30:28.000So I mean, to kind of quote Trump, it's like now would be the time to do something about this.
00:30:35.000If you want to reel in mail-in balloting, now is the time.
00:30:38.000Yeah, I guess my question would be, and it'd be for a lawyer, do you think that this poll is evidence enough to start filing lawsuits to say that, hey, that the will of the people are being thwarted or that there's, I mean, if you have one out of five ballots being fraudulently self-acknowledged, you know, self-admission that it's being fraudulently filled out, wouldn't that be enough for some sort of a civil challenge?
00:31:04.000I'm not a lawyer either, but hey, you know what?
00:31:07.000Throw something against the wall and see what sticks.
00:31:09.000And in fact, some of the responses I've seen from the left that are trying to like dismiss some of the things that were some of the findings in this poll, my gut reaction is like, then conduct a different poll.
00:31:20.000See if your poll is going to find a lower number than this because I'll challenge all of those people to see if your results come back and it shows a much lower percentage.
00:31:31.000And then I wonder: what's a low enough percentage where this doesn't become an issue?
00:31:34.000Obviously, 20% is like headline-grabbing stuff, but are they content with 10%?
00:31:40.000Well, put all the other numbers aside.
00:31:42.000We have 17% of mail-in votes, according to you guys, where they don't even live where they're voting.
00:32:32.000We were actually discussing in the office yesterday the idea of doing some like analysis of all of the results that we come in and kind of extrapolating.
00:32:41.000Admittedly, it'd be a little bit of a kind of a back of the envelope, sort of extrapolating this data across the states and see what the real kind of election outcomes would be if all of these fraudulent mail-in ballots were discarded.
00:32:54.000And my hypothesis is that that election map, that electoral map at the end of the day would look very different of what the final one was on Election Day in 2020.