The Charlie Kirk Show - August 25, 2023


The Mugshot Heard 'Round the World with Donald Trump Jr.


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On this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show: The Mugshot, Charlie talks about the idea of a mugshot, why it's a symbol, and why it should be used to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, the mugshot heard around the world.
00:00:06.000 I think the Democrats made a mistake here.
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00:00:52.000 Very important episode.
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00:00:54.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:55.000 Here we go.
00:00:56.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:17.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:38.000 If you are a sunshine patriot, if you are someone that just wants happy talk, Charlie, I wish we could go back to calmer days.
00:01:47.000 Well, this is not the program for you.
00:01:49.000 You have to have the stomach, the stones, and the spine to save the country.
00:01:54.000 Said that yesterday in the Visalia speech.
00:01:57.000 Great people.
00:01:58.000 Packed house.
00:02:00.000 1,300 people showed up.
00:02:04.000 And some people were even saying, Charlie, this is too intense for me.
00:02:09.000 Can we just kind of go to an island and sip a pina colada and allow America to get over this?
00:02:15.000 In fact, Ben Collins tweeted that out yesterday.
00:02:17.000 He said, can we just go to an island and let America get whatever is in it out of its system?
00:02:22.000 Yeah, yeah, waste of time. 0.86
00:02:23.000 Get out of the way.
00:02:24.000 We're going to win.
00:02:25.000 They're going to lose.
00:02:25.000 It's going to take some time.
00:02:26.000 It's going to take some effort.
00:02:28.000 We're dedicating the rest of our life to this fight.
00:02:31.000 Do you want happy talk?
00:02:32.000 If you want false promises, if you want hopium, oh, it's just going to take another, get out of the way.
00:02:37.000 We're not asking you to storm the beaches of Normandy.
00:02:41.000 We're asking you to get engaged, get involved.
00:02:43.000 Look, there's so many different dynamics that are happening here.
00:02:46.000 As you could tell, we have a new visitor, but we have probably the most famous now mugshot in the history of all mugshots behind us.
00:02:53.000 A symbol, an icon.
00:02:56.000 And by the way, we're selling all sorts of different merchandise associated with it.
00:02:59.000 By the way, for a reason, I'll tell you the psychological reason.
00:03:02.000 You guys go to charliekirk.com.
00:03:03.000 You guys could check out that link and get your merch with the mugshot on there.
00:03:08.000 Look, they created a symbol.
00:03:12.000 They created a symbol.
00:03:14.000 It's interesting.
00:03:16.000 Jack Smith and Alvin Bragg did not take the bait.
00:03:20.000 When you study the left and you fight the left, you realize they don't have any self-control.
00:03:30.000 They do not have discipline.
00:03:33.000 Alvin Bragg and Jack Smith were at least smart enough to say, yeah, we probably don't need the mugshot.
00:03:38.000 Now, understand that the idea of a mugshot is so that we know who the criminal is, so that if they go out on bail, that you can go find that person.
00:03:50.000 That is the idea of a mugshot.
00:03:53.000 This was totally unnecessary, but they fell for it. 1.00
00:03:59.000 When I heard that they were going to give Donald Trump a mugshot, I said, we are dealing with morons. 1.00
00:04:04.000 And obviously, we are. 1.00
00:04:06.000 We got Big Fanny Willis and her pack of thugs, not very smart people. 1.00
00:04:09.000 Oh, save and send. 0.99
00:04:11.000 They can't help it because they're driven by hatred, by revenge.
00:04:16.000 They're driven by this pathological, diabolical energy.
00:04:19.000 This is not about justice.
00:04:21.000 Big Fanny Willis, you could tell this is about something bigger than that.
00:04:24.000 In fact, Joy Reed is even alluding to it.
00:04:26.000 Joy Reid goes on TV and she says, Oh, you know, this is the greatest prosecutor out there. 0.99
00:04:32.000 She's bringing in anti-white sentiments into it.
00:04:36.000 There's something else going on here that is bigger than justice.
00:04:38.000 We know that.
00:04:40.000 So they had a decision to make.
00:04:42.000 They could have said, you know, there's probably a fair amount of pictures of Donald Trump if he doesn't make good on Bond.
00:04:50.000 That's why you do a mugshot.
00:04:51.000 You do a mug shot as a booking in case you have to go find that person so that the authorities can identify them.
00:05:01.000 And so they had a decision to make.
00:05:03.000 And let's just be honest: has any person in the history of the planet been photographed more than Trump?
00:05:08.000 Is this really a necessary thing?
00:05:10.000 But they did it anyway.
00:05:12.000 They did it because they wanted to try to send a statement that I'm a big fanny Willis and I'm in charge of Fulton County.
00:05:18.000 Yeah, okay, we know.
00:05:20.000 This is your moment to shine.
00:05:23.000 Because she's a small person acting like, well, she's actually not that small. 0.87
00:05:26.000 She's got a big fanny, but she's acting like a big person.
00:05:31.000 And they fell for it.
00:05:32.000 Newt Gingrich even said that Big Fanny Willis got a call from Washington, D.C. to rush this, to expedite this.
00:05:38.000 And this is one of the reasons why I believe we can defeat these people, why we can win against these people.
00:05:47.000 One of the reasons why I believe we can win is because they are not disciplined.
00:05:51.000 These are desperate people.
00:05:53.000 This was a massive mistake.
00:05:57.000 This is now, without a doubt, one of the most famous images in the history of American politics.
00:06:07.000 One of the things that the left does not understand, we famously say the left can't meme because they don't understand aesthetics or memetics. 0.99
00:06:15.000 They're ugly people. 0.99
00:06:16.000 Just look at them. 1.00
00:06:17.000 Just look at MSNBC. 0.98
00:06:19.000 It's a grotesque group of people.
00:06:21.000 They don't understand the visual very well.
00:06:24.000 It's interesting for people that control Hollywood and control a lot of the visual medium, they don't understand the power of the symbol.
00:06:32.000 In fact, one of the reasons why we defeated Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2016 is we understood the meme war, and we joke around that.
00:06:40.000 And, you know, some boomers say, I don't understand this meme stuff.
00:06:42.000 It's fine.
00:06:43.000 You guys use memes all the time.
00:06:44.000 But the meme war is the idea of communicating a deeply held truth in a very simple way.
00:06:52.000 It cuts straight to the issue.
00:06:54.000 They did not have to do this.
00:06:57.000 And I'm not angry about it.
00:06:58.000 I'm actually thrilled.
00:07:00.000 The fact that now Donald Trump has the mugshot, has now created the symbol, the icon.
00:07:09.000 What we have been saying is that he represents a movement.
00:07:14.000 Play cut 168.
00:07:16.000 Your power's a weak old man. 1.00
00:07:19.000 You can't win nothing. 0.66
00:07:21.000 If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
00:07:29.000 If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
00:07:34.000 So much of our configuration politically comes from our orientation of stories, symbols, and icons.
00:07:45.000 And now the icon, the below-the-surface story that's happening here is that the Democrats are the nerdy hall monitors That are going around and stopping anybody from either having fun or being normal.
00:08:07.000 They are over-prosecuting the rules.
00:08:09.000 They are the ones that are using power against the innocent.
00:08:18.000 This means that they are open for historic mockery, historic amounts of ridicule, and we are going to participate in that.
00:08:31.000 They are putting a controversial figure into a place where they actually might now become more likable and more sympathetic.
00:08:44.000 Think of all the protest imagery historically.
00:08:47.000 That Buddhist monk who burned himself to the death in the streets of the Vietnam, of Vietnam, to protest the U.S.-backed government.
00:08:54.000 30 years later, he was on the cover of a Rage Against the Machine album.
00:08:59.000 Today, Donald Trump's mugshot is the Rage Against the Machine cover shot.
00:09:04.000 And it's not Rage Against the Machine.
00:09:06.000 It's Rage Against the Regime. 1.00
00:09:09.000 And they are so stupid for doing this. 1.00
00:09:12.000 Joy Reed thinks it's wonderful. 1.00
00:09:13.000 She thinks, and I'll play that clip.
00:09:15.000 It's laughable. 0.99
00:09:16.000 But they are so dumb to give us the symbol. 0.99
00:09:22.000 That right there will now be the bat symbol of the resistance, the actual resistance of the dissidents. 0.99
00:09:32.000 I have said for a while, you have to think like a dissident in your own country.
00:09:35.000 We are under enemy occupation, occupation of the pride flag, occupation of out-of-control DAs. 0.96
00:09:41.000 And they fell for it and they're going to keep falling for it.
00:09:44.000 These are sloppy people.
00:09:45.000 They are imprecise because they're driven by the worst, the lower impulses, the lower nature of society.
00:09:55.000 Much more to cover here as we rage against the regime.
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00:11:14.000 Never surrender.
00:11:16.000 This should give you some hope, everybody.
00:11:18.000 As long as we do not surrender, if we do not allow our will to be broken, we can defeat these people.
00:11:27.000 I can tell you, the crowd that I saw in California last night from the grassroots energy, people really understand what's going on here.
00:11:35.000 In fact, what frustrates me is that the people get it far better than the leaders do.
00:11:45.000 The people are asking me, Charlie, why are Republican AGs not indicting Democrats?
00:11:50.000 I say, I don't know.
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00:12:01.000 So, Fannie Willis had a decision to make.
00:12:02.000 She didn't have to do the mugshot. 1.00
00:12:04.000 She did it because she was trying to exert power over Donald Trump, power over Rudy Giuliani, power over John Eastman. 0.97
00:12:12.000 Because if you understand the left, everything comes down to power.
00:12:16.000 This is a very telling clip here.
00:12:19.000 I want to play Cut 155.
00:12:20.000 This is affirmative action Joy Reed talking about how she's so glad that there were mugshots, but she insinuates here that what this really is is about hatred of white people.
00:12:31.000 She says it and it's about revenge.
00:12:34.000 She implies here, she doesn't say it outwardly, but she implies through little crumbs here or there that she's excited because Donald Trump was the figure of white America that she hates.
00:12:48.000 At the base of some of the BLM energy, and maybe Big Fannie Willis, and maybe Joy and definitely Joy Reed is pathological anti-white hatred.
00:12:59.000 Play Cut 155.
00:13:01.000 And so to me, this is justice.
00:13:03.000 The fact that Manhattan didn't give him a mug shot, I thought was offensive.
00:13:06.000 I thought that the Fed said, we don't know what he looks like.
00:13:08.000 He was the president of the United States.
00:13:09.000 Okay, offensive.
00:13:10.000 Everyone else had to take him.
00:13:12.000 This case, and I think Fonnie Willis is a hero.
00:13:15.000 She is a national hero because she, more than any prosecutor in this country, and I respect Jack Smith and I respect all the prosecutors that are doing this, she's the only one who said these wealthy, powerful, privileged men and women are just American citizens.
00:13:34.000 There is another part of the clip that where she says, when growing up, these were, I hated Donald Trump because he was the wealthy white guy.
00:13:44.000 Play Cut 154. 0.90
00:13:45.000 This is the buffooning of the American presidency.
00:13:48.000 This should not be happening.
00:13:49.000 So as a teenager living in New York, I've said it before.
00:13:53.000 This is the reason I never watched The Apprentice. 0.82
00:13:54.000 I despised Donald Trump because he to me signified the rich white guy in Manhattan that absolutely hated and despised me. 0.96
00:14:03.000 And so people like Giuliani and people like Trump persecuted black and brown people in New York. 0.98
00:14:10.000 It's what they did for fun. 0.95
00:14:11.000 It's what they did for pleasure.
00:14:13.000 They enjoyed it.
00:14:14.000 They enjoyed lording over people who had nothing and who Donald Trump lorded his everything over.
00:14:20.000 And still people who looked like them put him in rap songs.
00:14:23.000 It was an indignity to me that something I loved, a culture I love, would lionize that.
00:14:27.000 And so to me, this is justice.
00:14:29.000 All right, Joy Reed, could you save us this whole like you grew up in the ghetto song?
00:14:34.000 Your parents were college professors.
00:14:36.000 You grew up in Colorado.
00:14:38.000 Like, oh, yeah, that Donald Trump hated me. 1.00
00:14:41.000 No, you hate white people. 1.00
00:14:42.000 You said it. 0.99
00:14:43.000 Signified the rich white person.
00:14:46.000 You said you despised Donald Trump growing up, and then you immediately incorporate race.
00:14:51.000 No one else is talking about race here, and you have to spin it into race.
00:14:55.000 And again, stop this whole idea of like, I was an orphan child growing up.
00:14:59.000 No, no, no, you weren't.
00:15:01.000 You grew up in an upper middle class household and your parents were college professors.
00:15:08.000 And by the way, I bet you didn't hate Donald Trump growing up.
00:15:10.000 I bet you were singing rap songs, drinking a pina colada poolside at Mar-a-Lago.
00:15:16.000 More quoted and more black rap songs than any other person.
00:15:20.000 You're just making this up.
00:15:21.000 You're trying to add a racial element to this where it doesn't exist, but it is awfully revealing.
00:15:26.000 Joy Reed previously also went on television.
00:15:28.000 She said, Donald Trump is going to face demographic reality.
00:15:32.000 What does that mean exactly?
00:15:34.000 Demographic reality. 0.91
00:15:36.000 It makes you wonder that how pathological, at least Fannie Willis, I don't know about Jack Smith has his own stuff, but Fannie Willis and Joy Reed, how much anti-white sentiments are playing into this.
00:15:49.000 It makes you wonder because she's saying it out loud.
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00:16:56.000 Joining us now is Donald Trump Jr.
00:16:58.000 Don, thanks for taking time.
00:16:59.000 Charlie, good to be with you.
00:17:01.000 Thank you.
00:17:01.000 Thank you, man.
00:17:02.000 The most famous mugshot now in political history, riff on that.
00:17:06.000 Listen, I think, and I'll even discount for typical Trump hubris.
00:17:10.000 I think it could go down as one of the most iconic photographs in the history of America.
00:17:15.000 I mean, especially in the digital age where it's so easily shared and adapted and otherwise.
00:17:22.000 Frankly, I think Fannie Willis probably did herself a major disservice by putting this out there.
00:17:27.000 They think they're going to own Trump with it.
00:17:29.000 And he's the most photographed person in the world, probably.
00:17:32.000 So it was, again, probably totally unnecessary and intended to be vindictive.
00:17:36.000 But I have a feeling that's going to backfire on them bigly, as a very intelligent man, I know, would say.
00:17:45.000 I think it is.
00:17:45.000 And so, Don, what is remarkable to me, and I know our audience agrees, is how your father and you and the whole family, you guys do not give up.
00:17:56.000 And it seems as if the resolve is only strengthening.
00:17:59.000 You know, Don, you joke around the story when you went down the elevator before your father went down the escalator.
00:18:05.000 He turned to you and he said, we're going to find out who our true friends are.
00:18:08.000 That was eight years ago, Don.
00:18:11.000 And you guys are not showing any signs of breaking or surrender, regardless of them throwing everything they possibly can at you and your family.
00:18:18.000 No, it's 100% right.
00:18:20.000 And more importantly, he was right with that one.
00:18:22.000 I mean, we did find out who the real friends were.
00:18:25.000 A lot of surprises in there, but the reality is the people who have been the true friends are actually the real American patriots because they understand that if they can do this to Trump, they can do it to anyone.
00:18:36.000 Someone who has a huge platform, an incredible following, billions of dollars, if they can do it to that guy, who can't they do it to?
00:18:44.000 But more importantly, if they can and will do it to that guy, who won't they do it to?
00:18:48.000 You know, there was that meme a couple of months ago, you know, in reality, they're after you.
00:18:52.000 I'm just in the way as it relates to Donald Trump.
00:18:55.000 And I think people are starting to finally get that.
00:18:58.000 They're starting to finally understand it.
00:19:00.000 It's why with each indictment, you know, when people get indicted, they don't go up in the polls.
00:19:04.000 But when it's so ridiculous, when it's so over the top, when the other side has overplayed their hands so badly, everyone's waking up to it, even those that have been sort of politically agnostic and sitting on the sidelines.
00:19:16.000 So, you know, we have a country to fix, and there's only one guy that's going to actually do that.
00:19:21.000 So talk also, Don, about what happened at the Milwaukee debate.
00:19:24.000 This is notable and important.
00:19:26.000 You were given some guarantees that you would be able to speak to the media and talk about your father, the frontrunner, by 50 points.
00:19:32.000 But then something started to fall apart.
00:19:34.000 What happened?
00:19:35.000 Yeah, I was blocked by security at the venue.
00:19:38.000 They said the executives at Fox News said I couldn't go into the spin room.
00:19:42.000 Now, I get that they're airing it, but it's also, it's a Republican National Committee debate, and my father's leading by about 60 points.
00:19:50.000 So, you know, you would think you'd actually be able to hear from that or at least talk to the press, but I was blocked by security.
00:19:56.000 But, you know, you know me.
00:19:57.000 I was well enough known that even those with the directive were like, all right, we're not going to stop him.
00:20:01.000 So I walked, I got in far enough into the room that a couple of people noticed, started doing that.
00:20:05.000 I did sort of my own press gaggle off to the side, but wasn't allowed on the cameras or anything.
00:20:10.000 And it shows you what's going on even in mainstream media.
00:20:13.000 Fox wants a puppet that they can instill in there.
00:20:15.000 It's why they've been sort of fluffing Ron DeSantis for the last two years, but they realized, I think, based on, frankly, based on the performance the other night at the bay, which was a disaster for him, he really needed a breakout.
00:20:27.000 He likes to usurp and steal my father's line about a nation in decline because he's incapable of coming up with his own original thoughts.
00:20:33.000 But the reality is his is a campaign in decline.
00:20:36.000 He needed a breakout moment.
00:20:38.000 He failed to deliver.
00:20:39.000 He was destroyed in the VEC.
00:20:40.000 And the only times he actually got applause was when he basically stole Trump campaign ideas, whether it's a nation in decline, whether it's using the military to fight the cartels.
00:20:48.000 I mean, this is like web meet, you know, front page for the last two years.
00:20:53.000 And, you know, he's coming up with it like it's a novel concept.
00:20:56.000 It's really embarrassing for him.
00:20:58.000 And it just shows, and as you and I have spoken about a lot, you know, there's a personality that was created online by influencers.
00:21:06.000 They take a five-second clip of Ron DeSantis and they take, oh, he's dunking on these guys.
00:21:10.000 But once you see him for a minute, two minutes, three minutes, you realize there is actually no personality there.
00:21:16.000 And the image that's been out there and the reason he was doing well is totally fictitious.
00:21:21.000 It's just totally been created.
00:21:23.000 And as someone who spent weeks on the campaign trail trying to help him get elected in 18 with him, as I told someone a long time ago, I go, don't worry, just wait.
00:21:33.000 To get to know Ron DeSantis is to not like him.
00:21:36.000 The American people are seeing that.
00:21:37.000 It's time to move on.
00:21:38.000 It's time to start focusing on Joe Biden, which, amazingly enough, was something that was not actually covered at the debate.
00:21:43.000 I'm sort of shocked.
00:21:44.000 Not one person actually going to prosecute the case against Joe Biden to the American people, which seems like a big deal when you're running a presidential election, Charlie.
00:21:54.000 So a couple thoughts.
00:21:55.000 First, Don, I don't want to tell this story if you don't want to, but I remember once you were doing an event at Trump Doral, and you went like five minutes over, and Governor DeSantis was the next speaker, and he just left.
00:22:06.000 He just left.
00:22:07.000 Well, I didn't even go five minutes over.
00:22:09.000 He was running late, and so they told me to keep going.
00:22:11.000 And as you know, unlike him, like I can go impromptu.
00:22:14.000 I'll do an hour.
00:22:14.000 I'll do whatever.
00:22:15.000 I actually had the same problem with Vice President Pence during the 2020 primaries.
00:22:22.000 They were late, so they told me to go on.
00:22:23.000 The crowd started chanting 46 for me before I had a chance to start my introduction of him.
00:22:28.000 And from that point on, they no longer wanted me to open for them because that's the reality.
00:22:32.000 It's all about them.
00:22:33.000 It wasn't about, hey, if the crowd's into something, don't you want to give the American people what they want?
00:22:39.000 And we're all on the same team trying to get to the same objective.
00:22:42.000 That's the case.
00:22:42.000 Yeah, I remember at that event where Ron DeSantis was there.
00:22:45.000 He was late.
00:22:46.000 They told me to wrap it up, so I took two minutes to wrap it up.
00:22:48.000 But he saw the response from the crowd.
00:22:49.000 He realized he wouldn't be able to get that.
00:22:51.000 So rather than follow up probably a better act, he just left, even though he was slated to speak and get down to all those people.
00:22:59.000 They just are Florida residents.
00:23:00.000 It was in Florida in Miami.
00:23:03.000 There's a lot of huge talks, and you can cover that up again with influencers for six months, but eventually you have to be the guy on the stage.
00:23:11.000 He was the guy on the stage the other night.
00:23:13.000 The problem is that wasn't the performance he wanted, and it certainly wasn't the performance he needed.
00:23:17.000 It was exactly the opposite.
00:23:19.000 So, Don, it looks as if your father has put on Truth Social.
00:23:24.000 He won't do any debates, but I have to get some inside baseball here, Don, which we have not covered.
00:23:30.000 Your father's back on Twitter.
00:23:32.000 What's going on with this?
00:23:33.000 I have a feeling you were involved in this decision.
00:23:37.000 Listen, there's a component.
00:23:40.000 I understand a lot of people are there.
00:23:42.000 I think this is going to be an important thing.
00:23:43.000 Certainly, politically, I think he'll do most of his stuff on truth.
00:23:47.000 But I think that was an important statement to make, like we discussed when we started off this conversation.
00:23:51.000 I mean, that could be literally perhaps the most iconic photograph in the history of America.
00:23:56.000 For good, bad, or indifferent.
00:23:57.000 I'm not saying it's good, but I think it makes a statement as to the state of the country, the disaster that we're in.
00:24:03.000 And so, with his following and the natural following that's there, I think it's pretty important.
00:24:09.000 There's platforms that hate my guts.
00:24:10.000 I'm still on some of them.
00:24:12.000 And that may not necessarily be one of them, but we can't give up the ground.
00:24:18.000 We can't bend the knee and just say, well, I'm just not going to play on those platforms.
00:24:21.000 They have millions and in many cases, hundreds of millions of people on those places, even if I'm censored, even if I'm shut down, even if I have to work 10x harder to get basic, the basic reach of an account with small followings.
00:24:32.000 You know, I think sometimes we actually still have to play in those battlefields and we can't just seed that ground.
00:24:37.000 I think that's right.
00:24:38.000 And it will go down as one of the most powerful mugshots and tweets of all time.
00:24:45.000 So, Don, it looks as if no more debates here to Iowa.
00:24:49.000 I think we got to wrap up this primary.
00:24:50.000 The stakes are too high.
00:24:52.000 And if there was nothing else, that debate shows that they're not ready for the big leads, not ready for prime time.
00:24:58.000 Don, wouldn't it be smarter to invest that money in ballot chasing, in early voting in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia?
00:25:06.000 Governor DeSantis has not run a good campaign, but he would gain a lot of respect in me if he dropped out and spent his $110 million to help get Donald J. Trump elected and defeat the administrative system.
00:25:17.000 I agree.
00:25:17.000 Listen, the move that he should have made, and this is the, you know, yesterday he's getting his photograph taken at the Field of Dreams with a stock.
00:25:23.000 And he's just not reading the moment.
00:25:24.000 He doesn't have that right now.
00:25:26.000 What would have been smart for him to do initially was say, hey, I'm going to be the campaign chairman.
00:25:31.000 I'm going to fight for you.
00:25:32.000 I'm going to go around.
00:25:33.000 I'm going to build up my national presence.
00:25:34.000 I'm going to help you fundraise.
00:25:36.000 And he'd be a shoe-in, you know, if you could at least develop personality with a little bit more experience, but that's not what happened.
00:25:42.000 Instead, the consultants who knew they were never going to get hired by the Trump campaign said, you know, Jeff Rowe, I'm going to raise all this money for you.
00:25:50.000 And they did, but they'd also taken, what is it, 83% of all the dollars running through their entities?
00:25:54.000 You know, the guy will make $30 to $50 million this year.
00:25:57.000 He's happy because he doesn't actually have an ideology.
00:26:00.000 He just wants to make money.
00:26:01.000 And if he's a businessman, that's fine.
00:26:02.000 But people have to be aware of that.
00:26:04.000 But they're not ever going to even tell DeSantis it's time to wrap it up or the smart thing to do for his political future because it's actually a huge, huge drift.
00:26:14.000 And that's, again, what Ron probably doesn't understand about all of this.
00:26:18.000 There's all this money involved that they're telling him, oh, no, you got a chance.
00:26:21.000 Like, let's hope that one of the indictment goes through.
00:26:24.000 He had the easiest lockup for 2028 if he wanted to.
00:26:27.000 And he just perhaps honed his skills over four years.
00:26:30.000 I'm pretty new to politics, relatively speaking.
00:26:32.000 So certainly to these people who are running for president and have done it for years, it's not that hard, but you have to be real.
00:26:39.000 You have to have some instinct.
00:26:41.000 You have to be able to see through the BS.
00:26:43.000 And he's missed all of those moments.
00:26:46.000 So this is going to be all the way now till November 2024 to keep the pace.
00:26:53.000 How can people help most, Don?
00:26:55.000 Obviously, Chip in, you got these looming legal fights.
00:26:58.000 But I have to say, Don, the fact how your family bends but does not break despite every possible onslaught, it's remarkable.
00:27:07.000 Final thoughts, Don.
00:27:08.000 Well, listen, you know, obviously the donations help, but DonaldJTrump.com, people sometimes don't like going through WinRED if they're concerned about, it's not usually a small dollar sort of type of donation place, but you can go to MAGAINC.com.
00:27:21.000 That's the super PAC.
00:27:23.000 People we know and trust run that.
00:27:25.000 There's, you know, because of the FEC rules, and again, we wouldn't get the Hunter Biden treatment.
00:27:29.000 You know, there's no coordination between the campaign and them, but those are people that we trust.
00:27:32.000 So MAGA Inc.'s a great place, and that's just direct to people who are fighting for Donald Trump and all of that.
00:27:39.000 I'll get you the information on the legal defense fund side of things as well.
00:27:43.000 You know, a lot of places.
00:27:44.000 But honestly, the biggest thing is for people to be involved.
00:27:47.000 Become a poll watcher, especially if you're willing to actually be aggressive to call out the nonsense, to spot it.
00:27:56.000 Run for your school board.
00:27:58.000 Get involved in the game.
00:27:59.000 Don't be afraid to talk about it.
00:28:01.000 Don't be bullied into a corner, into submission, and into silence.
00:28:04.000 We got to start talking.
00:28:05.000 There's so many more people that are just afraid to come out of their shell because of the consequences.
00:28:10.000 But if all of those people did it, I would imagine it's actually going to be a large majority of the American people.
00:28:15.000 We need to band together.
00:28:16.000 We need to fight this stuff before it's too late.
00:28:18.000 Because again, if they can do it to Trump, they'll do it to anyone and they will.
00:28:22.000 They've shown that.
00:28:23.000 They don't even pretend anymore.
00:28:25.000 You know, Joe Biden sort of making snipe jokes about it.
00:28:28.000 This is the stuff that goes on in third world banana republics, but it's happening here at home. 0.99
00:28:33.000 And if you think it's going to stop magically after Trump, you haven't been watching closely.
00:28:38.000 That's right.
00:28:39.000 Donald Trump Jr., keep the fight.
00:28:41.000 Thanks for taking time.
00:28:42.000 Thanks so much.
00:28:43.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:28:47.000 The left is realizing they've made a major mistake.
00:28:51.000 MSNBC.com.
00:28:54.000 This is one of the funniest headlines I have seen.
00:28:57.000 Trump lovers are spinning his mugshot as a positive.
00:29:01.000 Don't buy it.
00:29:03.000 They wouldn't have to write this article if they realized that this thing was getting traction and was starting to hurt them.
00:29:11.000 It's the ultimate of stop it, stop it, stop, stop, stop, stop enjoying the thing that you're supposed to hate.
00:29:17.000 You turn the suffering into joy, and the degenerate left all of a sudden is so confused.
00:29:26.000 You see, they're very unhappy people.
00:29:28.000 I've said this this morning. 0.96
00:29:29.000 Some of these people on the left, they have deep-seated mental problems. 0.98
00:29:32.000 They really do. 0.99
00:29:33.000 And they try to solve their mental issues by harming conservatives. 0.92
00:29:39.000 There's a lot of sadistic tendencies here. 0.96
00:29:42.000 So, this guy, who's a real sicko, Jahan Jones, says Trump's inner circle wants the world to think having his mugshot taken as a win for him, defying logic and just about everything we know about the man. 0.93
00:29:56.000 You see, this guy is not overly bright. 0.90
00:29:58.000 He doesn't understand the images of mugshots, the images of the symbol resonate fundamentally with the American people, understand the power of symbols and icons.
00:30:08.000 They don't care.
00:30:09.000 Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Jimi Hendrix, Frank Sinatra, Johnny Cash.
00:30:13.000 This idea of the American rebel makes it exciting.
00:30:17.000 This is 2016 energy again.
00:30:20.000 This is all of a sudden where you see new people that are not affiliated with politics.
00:30:23.000 Donald Trump is the punk rock middle finger at you, F the system type candidate now.
00:30:29.000 And they've created now this massive cultural icon. 1.00
00:30:33.000 And these morons decided to all of a sudden give us the flag to wave. 1.00
00:30:40.000 It is bad to indict him. 1.00
00:30:41.000 It's bad to have him.
00:30:43.000 But then you all of a sudden have a simple.
00:30:44.000 We are visual beings.
00:30:47.000 We literally are visual beings.
00:30:50.000 So when you look at certain people, certain situations, when you think of the civil rights era, do you think of an op-ed?
00:30:59.000 Or do you think about Martin Luther King and the massive crowds in front of the Washington Monument?
00:31:06.000 When you think of World War II, do you think of some story you read?
00:31:09.000 Or do you think of this flag over Iwo Jima?
00:31:12.000 When you think of the Kennedy assassination, do you think of just reading some newspaper article or do you think of the Zapruder film of him in a convertible?
00:31:23.000 They do not understand we the people.
00:31:25.000 They do not understand the idea of martyrdom at all.
00:31:30.000 They hate him so much.
00:31:32.000 They are throwing away all historical lessons of it's possible to reach too far.
00:31:39.000 They decided that we do not want to have an election of Donald Trump v. whoever they put up.
00:31:45.000 They're trying to solve this with handcuffs, perp walks, and all this other stuff.
00:31:51.000 And now mugshots.
00:31:53.000 And as an unintended consequence, and you see this, they're freaking out.
00:31:57.000 They're like, oh boy, how do we rescind it?
00:32:00.000 How do we get rid of it?
00:32:01.000 You can't.
00:32:01.000 Cats out of the bag.
00:32:03.000 You have created a larger than life phenomenon where even people who hate Donald Trump, hate him, are in full like, this is too much.
00:32:13.000 And by the way, it's front page of politico.com.
00:32:17.000 They had to run cover for this.
00:32:18.000 Politico.com, new poll has bad news for Trump.
00:32:21.000 A new Politico magazine pictures some prevailing political narratives against Trump indictments.
00:32:27.000 They're all running cover for this.
00:32:30.000 The base is galvanized like never before.
00:32:32.000 Independents are saying this is totally and completely out of control.
00:32:37.000 And we will get our time.
00:32:39.000 We will do the perp walks and we will get Democrats in prison because eventually we will get people to wake up.
00:32:45.000 The Democrats just made this mugshot a centerpiece, a center image. 1.00
00:32:52.000 And they're so stupid. 1.00
00:32:54.000 They underestimate the power of the visual. 1.00
00:32:58.000 These are overly educated academics that think everything is just in academic papers and in journals.
00:33:06.000 When in reality, the vast majority of people communicate through visuals far more effectively and a deeper, more fundamental level than just some longly worded New York Times op-ed about eliminating elections.
00:33:17.000 That they're smarter than us, so they don't understand they're smarter than us.
00:33:21.000 They're like, oh, who could actually be galvanized by an image?
00:33:25.000 Dare I say did they make mugshots great again?
00:33:28.000 Do not give up.
00:33:30.000 Do not give in.
00:33:31.000 Things are starting to turn.
00:33:33.000 I see it happening in real time.
00:33:35.000 The bad guys are confused why we're so happy, joyful, and why we haven't given up.
00:33:44.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:33:45.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:33:49.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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