The Charlie Kirk Show - March 11, 2023


The Myth of Draconianism with Pedro Gonzalez and Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft


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Pedro Gonzalez talks about the myth of over-punishment, and Attorney General Sean Ashcroft talks about an election issue that is very important to him: impeachment. Charlie and his guest discuss the need for impeachment, and why it s the best thing we can do for Donald Trump.

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00:01:20.000 The consensus is that an indictment of Trump would not change your opinion.
00:01:25.000 But make no mistake, a lot of these lower-tier Republican candidates that are running for office, all of whom are welcome on the show at any time, they are betting on an indictment as some sort of political future for them.
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00:01:43.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite people to have on the program, very smart Pedro Gonzalez, who has an interesting new piece out for Chronicles magazine, the myth of draconianism.
00:01:55.000 Say that three times fast.
00:01:57.000 And it really kind of goes on to this theme of crime that I want to focus on and build out.
00:02:02.000 Pedro, welcome to the show.
00:02:05.000 Tell our audience about the article you wrote and the argument that you want to present.
00:02:09.000 Charlie, thanks so much for having me.
00:02:11.000 So the title kind of says it all.
00:02:13.000 The word Draconianism comes after an Athenian statesman slash tyrant named Draco.
00:02:21.000 But I'm going to defend tyranny here for a moment.
00:02:23.000 Draco is infamous because he, on the one hand, prescribed death for pretty much every type of offense in ancient Athens.
00:02:31.000 But on the other hand, he introduced the first written legal code to the city.
00:02:36.000 And you have to put Draco in the proper historical context.
00:02:39.000 At the time, the laws in Athens were, they were oral laws, and so they were subject to a lot of abuse and exploitation by capricious aristocrats.
00:02:48.000 So Draco comes in and says, high and low, you break the law, you die.
00:02:53.000 Here's a written legal code.
00:02:54.000 So there is no confusion.
00:02:56.000 And so that actually starts the wheels of reform.
00:02:59.000 And later, you get another statesman/slash quasi-tyrant named Solon, who comes along and, well, he pretty much repeals the vast majority of Rayco's Draco's legal code, but he keeps actually a homicide statute.
00:03:14.000 Draco innovated in the sense that he made a distinguish between essentially manslaughter and deliberate homicide.
00:03:20.000 But the point is, is that whilst Solon has become a kind of byword for political wisdom and Draco's name became the root of unduly harsh punishment, you actually needed Draconianism to get to Solon.
00:03:34.000 In other words, you needed the sword to get political stability in order.
00:03:40.000 And so my piece concludes with that, but it starts with the story of today and crime and punishment in the United States.
00:03:47.000 And in a nutshell, despite what we've been told, we actually don't punish people harshly enough, and specifically the right kind of people.
00:03:56.000 We're told that the United States has way too many people in prison.
00:04:02.000 And the vast majority of people are in prison or they're there because they jaywalked, they got caught with like a doobie or something like that.
00:04:08.000 Just this kind of ridiculous sentimental narrative of just mass injustice, right?
00:04:14.000 Well, that's not actually true.
00:04:16.000 I mean, if you look at state prisons, the vast majority of people who are in state prison are there for serious crimes.
00:04:22.000 Around 60% are in for things like rape and murder and things like that.
00:04:26.000 And most of the people that are in for drug-related crimes, it's not just because they caught with like a single joint or something like that.
00:04:33.000 They're usually involved in trafficking or dealing or things like that.
00:04:37.000 And I really rely a lot on a professor of criminal justice named Barry Latzer.
00:04:44.000 And his book is called The Myth of Overpunishment.
00:04:46.000 So you can kind of see where I got my title from.
00:04:50.000 And so I using Latzer's research, the book was published last year.
00:04:54.000 It flew under the radar.
00:04:55.000 I really recommend it.
00:04:56.000 It's super informative.
00:04:57.000 Latzer brings tons of data to bear.
00:05:00.000 He also has some conclusions.
00:05:01.000 He tries to propose things that we can all agree on.
00:05:03.000 Maybe there are some things that we should reform with the criminal justice system.
00:05:07.000 But the basic central narrative of incarceration today is that we have too many of the wrong people in prison.
00:05:13.000 Latzer says, actually, we don't put the right people, the right type of person in prison and keep them there.
00:05:20.000 And we actually give them too many opportunities to get out.
00:05:23.000 So, Pedro, that's really smart.
00:05:24.000 I said a couple of weeks ago, we do not have enough people in prison, and Media Matters came after me immediately.
00:05:30.000 But when you look into the statistics, and I was challenged by a friend of mine about five years ago, because I too used to repeat this lie: like, oh, our prison population is so big.
00:05:39.000 But if you look at, for example, the average rapist will spend between three to five years in prison, and that's a rapist with DNA evidence convicted by a jury of his peers.
00:05:50.000 I mean, that alone should at least animate some of the more left-wing kind of social justice groups.
00:05:55.000 I want to play cut 119, where the average, the murderer in D.C. has been arrested 11 times before.
00:06:03.000 11 times before.
00:06:05.000 And so the argument Pedro is making that really people should think about: is it time for us to get harsher on crime to become more draconian?
00:06:15.000 I certainly resonate with that.
00:06:16.000 Play cut 119.
00:06:18.000 Guns off the street.
00:06:19.000 What we got to do if we really want to see homicides go down is keep bad guys with guns in jail because when they're in jail, they can't be in community shooting people.
00:06:28.000 So when people talk about what we're going to do different or what we should do different, what we need to do different, that's the thing that we need to do different.
00:06:35.000 We need to keep violent people in jail. 0.79
00:06:37.000 Right now, the average homicide suspect, the average homicide suspect has been arrested 11 times prior to them committing a homicide.
00:06:46.000 That is a problem.
00:06:48.000 That is a problem.
00:06:50.000 11 times.
00:06:51.000 So, Pedro, first, that is from Robert J. Conti III, chief of D.C. Metropolitan Police.
00:06:57.000 He was ridiculed by the BLM groups, but I really appreciate his mental clarity, moral clarity and mental clarity, but obviously moral clarity on the issue.
00:07:06.000 But Pedro, I want to ask a question, though, which is, doesn't that also show that the harsher you are for some of the smaller little things, it could actually prevent some of the more gruesome and cruel and irreversible crimes from happening?
00:07:22.000 For example, shouldn't we say, hey, if you're going to carjack, it should be a slap on the wrist.
00:07:27.000 You should get serious prison time.
00:07:30.000 Is that a reasonable and statistically based argument, Pedro?
00:07:34.000 Yes.
00:07:34.000 And Latzer shows that people that commit these other crimes that aren't as bad as murder, generally, that's the type of person who will eventually get to that point unless they're incapacitated.
00:07:45.000 And that he also shows that the attempts to basically rehabilitate people by getting them out of prison before they should be out and then kind of putting them through these social programs and employment programs, things like that, that oftentimes these people tend to reoffend.
00:08:00.000 Basically, the worst offenders are also repeat offenders and they'll just continue offending and offending and offending until they're incapacitated.
00:08:08.000 And the U.S. Sentencing Commission published a study in the last year or so.
00:08:16.000 It's a decade-long study on recetivism, which is just recetivism means the likelihood that someone relapses into criminal behavior.
00:08:24.000 And so there are programs that we have that are intended to shave off a felon or an inmate's prison time through different types of things like employment, like prison industry things or educational programs.
00:08:39.000 Like you behave well, you participate in making things like washing dogs, making license plates, whatever, and you can shave off prison time and get out sooner.
00:08:50.000 Well, the sentencing commission found that there's statistically no difference between someone who participates in these educational and employment programs while in prison.
00:09:01.000 There's no statistical difference between them and someone who doesn't participate in them when it comes to reoffending.
00:09:07.000 It's moot.
00:09:08.000 In other words, we're shaving off prison time for people who are just as likely to reoffend when they get out as someone who doesn't go through those programs.
00:09:18.000 And the sentencing commission also found that actually the biggest factor when it comes to reducing recetivism, reducing the likelihood that when someone gets out, they're going to do it again, is longer prison sentences, which is, of course, the one thing that we're not doing anymore.
00:09:33.000 And Republicans and Democrats have both agreed: well, that's the, you know, long prison sentences are bad.
00:09:38.000 We basically need to find ways to shorten them.
00:09:40.000 Interestingly, the results were more positive when it comes to, I think, drug-related rehabilitated programs and I think religious programs as well.
00:09:50.000 Why is it Republicans have really sold out their voters in this desire or goal to try to win over minority voters?
00:10:00.000 I actually think it's the opposite.
00:10:01.000 I think it's right.
00:10:02.000 You actually are trying to win over white liberals.
00:10:04.000 I think minority voters actually want harsher sentencing, more police, and safer streets.
00:10:10.000 I think white liberals are the ones that are fascinated with some of this criminal justice stuff.
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00:12:28.000 Help me understand, because I am genuinely curious, why so many Republicans flirt with this criminal justice reform movement and goal?
00:12:44.000 Why is it so many Republicans go along with it or become sponsors behind it?
00:12:49.000 Yeah.
00:12:50.000 Well, I think one aspect of this is the fact that the criminal justice reform movement, this is a euphemism for jailbreak, but the movement is really well funded.
00:13:00.000 At the end of the day, we often find little difference between what George Soros wants and what the Cokes want when it comes to crime. 0.96
00:13:10.000 By the way, the Cokes are actually not bad on foreign policy.
00:13:13.000 Believe it or not, the Cokes actually fund a lot of restraint foreign policy projects.
00:13:19.000 But on immigration and crime, there is really little difference between what they want and what George Soros wants.
00:13:24.000 I think that's really important.
00:13:25.000 Why?
00:13:26.000 Because we associate George Soros with the Democrats and obviously the Cokes with the Republican Party. 0.97
00:13:32.000 But again, on that issue, there's very little difference.
00:13:35.000 And obviously, these are two people with a lot of money.
00:13:38.000 They're not the only two people that are funding this movement and all of these various initiatives and projects that are either affiliated with one or the other political party.
00:13:47.000 But this is a very well-funded, very effective movement.
00:13:53.000 And it's on the Republican side, it's managed to infiltrate the GOP.
00:13:59.000 And if you follow me, you know that I've been railing against its influence on the new rights, on the populist right, whatever you want to call it, where you basically have these Coke-funded organizations like the people who have different views about the Texas Public Policy Foundation, but it's just a fact that they get money from the Cokes and they have an initiative called Right on Crime, which everyone knows is backed by the Cokes.
00:14:25.000 And a lot of the policies that the TPPF has cooked up have been transplanted into other populist think tanks or so-called populist think tanks like the America First Policy Institute.
00:14:37.000 That is just a fact.
00:14:38.000 It's the same people that are just wearing MAGA hats.
00:14:40.000 And that influence is really pernicious because these policies have resulted in the case of Texas in prisons being shut down.
00:14:48.000 Again, as part of this whole agenda of, you know, we have too many people in prison, right?
00:14:53.000 We have fewer prisons now at the same time that things like homicide are reaching record highs. 0.96
00:15:00.000 And just because you put a MAGA hat on that doesn't change the fact that it still sucks.
00:15:05.000 It's still bad policy that makes us all less safe.
00:15:08.000 So I think the organizational aspects of it, the funding aspect is one part that's really important: following the money.
00:15:15.000 So another part of it.
00:15:15.000 Sure.
00:15:16.000 But Pedro, help me understand and help the audience understand, help what is it that they think they're trying to accomplish, right?
00:15:25.000 What is it that they think they're doing?
00:15:27.000 And I want to contrast that with what we know to work in CUT 120.
00:15:32.000 So just understand, just help build out the distinctions.
00:15:35.000 Let's play CUT 120 and then answer the question.
00:15:38.000 Just a few years ago, El Salvador had the highest murder rate in the world.
00:15:41.000 MS-13 and drug cartels controlled land all over the country, terrorizing people, carving them up with satanic bloodlust.
00:15:51.000 The people were crying out for help, and a new president rolled in, President Naeb Bukele.
00:15:56.000 And so instead of defunding the police, President Bukele is giving the cops more money.
00:16:00.000 He's rounding up every gangbanger in the country and throwing them in a mega prison.
00:16:05.000 What you're seeing is 2,000 vicious criminals being transported to El Salvador's new mega prison.
00:16:12.000 This is why crime in El Salvador has dropped like a rock.
00:16:16.000 President Bukele said the country hasn't had a murder in a week.
00:16:19.000 And what do the people in El Salvador think?
00:16:22.000 They love it.
00:16:24.000 High approval rating, crime is down 90%.
00:16:27.000 So Pedro, contrast that with what some of the groups, what are they trying to accomplish?
00:16:32.000 I don't understand.
00:16:33.000 So you're talking about the ideological aspect, and I was going to get to that.
00:16:37.000 Basically, I think it's a kind of pathological softness to use a term that Nietzsche used himself.
00:16:43.000 That basically we've arrived at a point where we really seem to care more about the criminal, the victimizer, than the victim.
00:16:53.000 And that's a really scary place to be because it means that, I mean, until you're perhaps confronted with being mugged yourself, you're not going to change your mind.
00:17:02.000 But I actually think we've reached a point where there are people that are pushing this stuff in the United States who could be mugged more than once and still say, you know what, we need less people in prison.
00:17:13.000 And in fact, you see that.
00:17:14.000 I mean, there was a, I think, a tweet a few years ago from Seth Rogan who said his car had been broken into multiple times.
00:17:20.000 And then one time he found a knife in one of his car seats, which he thought was like, I think he referred to it as a nice tweet.
00:17:26.000 And he was responding to someone who had complained about how I think it was in California.
00:17:31.000 This person had said that it's become really unsafe in this previously safe neighborhood.
00:17:34.000 And Rogan's response was like, well, actually, I don't mind having my car broken into over and over.
00:17:39.000 And so take that mentality and apply it to the political.
00:17:42.000 And that's where we're at in the United States.
00:17:44.000 Got to run.
00:17:45.000 Pedro Gonzalez, check out Chronicles magazine.
00:17:47.000 Check out his latest article.
00:17:48.000 It's terrific.
00:17:49.000 We're out of time.
00:17:49.000 Pedro, thank you so much.
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00:18:44.000 Joining us now is Secretary of State from Missouri, Jay Ashcroft, who is helping lead an effort of Missouri, Florida, and West Virginia out of ERIC, which is a very important story here.
00:19:00.000 Secretary of State Ashcroft, welcome to the program.
00:19:03.000 What is ERIC or ERIC?
00:19:06.000 And they say it's bipartisan, but what is the truth?
00:19:09.000 Please explain.
00:19:10.000 Thanks for having me.
00:19:12.000 Eric was supposed to be an organization run by states that would share election data and use that to clean up their voter rolls and look for people that were trying to vote in multiple states or did vote in multiple states.
00:19:25.000 I joined Eric with that goal in mind.
00:19:28.000 And about a year ago, I realized that there were some things wrong with it.
00:19:31.000 They weren't requiring states to share data that would help us find people that were voting in multiple states.
00:19:38.000 They were requiring us to try to get people registered to vote that had already said they didn't want to be registered to vote instead of just cleaning up our voter rolls.
00:19:46.000 They were restricting how we could use the data that we got from them inside our state to make the best use of the people's money.
00:19:53.000 And of course, many states that surround Missouri, we have eight states that surround us.
00:19:58.000 Five of them weren't a part of ERIC.
00:20:00.000 So it really just didn't make sense for us to stay in it.
00:20:03.000 And I think what really should be talked about is why wasn't Eric willing to focus on going after vote fraud, making sure that the rolls were clean.
00:20:13.000 Why weren't they willing to make those necessary changes?
00:20:16.000 Sure.
00:20:17.000 So CNN claims that it's bipartisan.
00:20:20.000 Give us some background.
00:20:21.000 Who started Eric?
00:20:22.000 Where did this come from?
00:20:23.000 Typically, when they say things are bipartisan, I get a little uneasy.
00:20:26.000 Tell us about it.
00:20:28.000 Well, probably bipartisan means it's the worst of both worlds.
00:20:32.000 You know, there's bad stuff with one party, good stuff with the other.
00:20:35.000 When they agree, it's really bad.
00:20:36.000 This was started by the Pew Foundation.
00:20:39.000 I believe there was money from the Soros Foundation that came into it.
00:20:43.000 It was started by about seven states that wanted to get together, both Republicans and Democrats.
00:20:49.000 But for me, it's not about who started it.
00:20:51.000 It's not about, frankly, it shouldn't be bipartisan.
00:20:54.000 It should be nonpartisan.
00:20:55.000 The administration of elections should be like a good basketball referee that runs a good game and you never notice the referee because what you're focused on is the game and it's running well.
00:21:06.000 This should be an organization that's wholly focused on making sure that we have good election registration rolls.
00:21:14.000 They're clean.
00:21:14.000 We send people to the right polling place.
00:21:17.000 And if people do cheat and vote multiple times, we can come after them with the big stick of government.
00:21:22.000 They didn't do that.
00:21:23.000 They're not willing to prioritize that.
00:21:25.000 In fact, there's a gentleman on the board named David Becker that's a hyper-partisan lefty.
00:21:30.000 He's not even a voting member.
00:21:32.000 And what I suggested was, why don't we get rid of non-voting members?
00:21:36.000 And some of them said, well, you can have a hyper-partisan conservative on there.
00:21:40.000 I said, no, that's not the point.
00:21:42.000 The point is not to be partisan with the administration of the elections.
00:21:45.000 The point is for us to run good, non-partisan elections and let the people decide as they wish.
00:21:52.000 So I'm looking at the website here, the Electronic Registration Information Center, and it says that there's a lot of misinformation being spread about ERIC, ensuring the efficiency and integrity of America's voting roles.
00:22:06.000 But I'm curious, you know, many of these states haven't cleaned up their voter rolls in years.
00:22:13.000 This doesn't make any sense to me.
00:22:15.000 Many of these states don't clean up their voter rolls, and somehow they need this kind of coalition of many states participating.
00:22:23.000 I don't quite understand their goal here.
00:22:25.000 It feels very sinister or that there might be another agenda beneath the surface here.
00:22:31.000 Explain and build that out for us.
00:22:33.000 Well, I think one of the big concerns is what happens with the data that's sent to Eric.
00:22:39.000 I've seen the SOX level audits that make me feel good that they haven't been sending the data over to third parties that would be nefarious.
00:22:48.000 But when I approached them and said they should tighten up their governing documents so it's explicit that they can't share that data outside of ERIC, that Missouri's data can't be sent outside of ERIC to be used in a nefarious way, they weren't in favor of doing that.
00:23:04.000 So I couldn't feel safe and I couldn't feel confident in telling the people of the state that their data wouldn't be misused.
00:23:12.000 There are 20 some-odd states that are not part of ERIC.
00:23:16.000 They clean their voter rolls.
00:23:18.000 Missouri cleaned its voter rolls before there was an ERIC system. 0.62
00:23:22.000 We will continue to do that.
00:23:24.000 And I think there's also a secondary consideration here that technology's improved.
00:23:29.000 Whereas maybe 10 years ago, five years ago, there was a need for a big database to do this.
00:23:36.000 I know Missouri, Florida, West Virginia, we're all going to look for ways to do this internally so we don't have to create another massive government database because we know that, frankly, China always ends up getting all that data.
00:23:48.000 Yeah, that's needless to say.
00:23:50.000 So talk about some of the other states and the conversations that you're having.
00:23:54.000 It looks like Florida is also joining you.
00:23:58.000 How serious do you think this will be and how widespread do you think this movement will actually become in resisting the participation in ERIC?
00:24:07.000 Well, one of the reasons why Florida, West Virginia, and I, we talked about it, we tried to make the changes and then we left together was because we wanted to make a statement.
00:24:16.000 And the statement is not that we don't want to have clean voter rolls, we don't want to have secure elections.
00:24:21.000 Those are three states that lead in running good elections.
00:24:25.000 But we wanted to make a statement that Eric wasn't doing and wasn't willing to make the necessary changes that it should.
00:24:31.000 Since we came out, there was a public letter from Secretary of State Frank LaRose of Ohio, where he has now put out three or four points.
00:24:41.000 And he says if they're not corrected at the next ERIC meeting, it looks like Ohio will come out.
00:24:46.000 And he says there are five other states that he's talking with about that.
00:24:50.000 I think we're really seeing states deciding that if Eric won't make the necessary changes, states will work together to figure out ways they can do it individually.
00:25:00.000 We're seeing third parties and concerned citizens with technological know-how that are reaching out to secretaries of state.
00:25:07.000 I really do think that, frankly, Eric is in trouble.
00:25:11.000 And it's because Eric refused to do what it should have done.
00:25:14.000 And it's why my exit from Eric was very simple, because they didn't do what they needed to do so that the people of my state could have confidence in it.
00:25:23.000 And I think we're going to see great innovation and we're going to see states individually figuring this out and maybe sharing far lesser amounts of data when we're going after people that are voting in multiple states in the same election.
00:25:35.000 We've been able to do that with Florida and the Federalists.
00:25:37.000 I think there's a place.
00:25:39.000 Do you think there's a place for a replacement organization that is doing this across state lines?
00:25:43.000 Or as Secretary of State, do you think that it is better that every state kind of does this independently and monitors their own voter rolls?
00:25:53.000 You know, I think with regard to cleaning up voter rolls, taking dead people off the rolls, looking for people that have moved using national change of address information, I think it's good to focus on how states can individually do that themselves.
00:26:07.000 I love the idea of states being laboratories of democracy.
00:26:11.000 I think there's been way too much effort to move elections to the federal level instead of understanding that states are responsible for that.
00:26:19.000 If you read the United States Constitution, states are responsible for registration of voters.
00:26:26.000 They determine those other than a couple of constitutional amendments.
00:26:29.000 We need to make sure that states are doing that.
00:26:31.000 I think there may be means where states are working together, either in pairs or in a small group, to share minimal data, looking for people that are voting multiple times in different states.
00:26:43.000 But I really want to be pushing for how can individual states do this themselves and do the best job possible at it.
00:26:51.000 Well, very good.
00:26:51.000 Well, thank you for the moral clarity on this.
00:26:54.000 And it's very important.
00:26:56.000 And thank you, Mr. Ashcroft from the great state of Missouri.
00:27:01.000 We deeply appreciate it.
00:27:02.000 And we're going to be following the story closely.
00:27:04.000 Thank you so much.
00:27:04.000 Thank you.
00:27:05.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:27:05.000 Thank you.
00:27:09.000 You can't make this stuff up.
00:27:12.000 The International Woman of Courage Award of the Year, given by the White House, was given to a man.
00:27:19.000 When I had a pastor recently that told me, oh, Charlie, this wokeism stuff is overblown.
00:27:24.000 It's not that bad.
00:27:25.000 The International Woman of Courage Award of the Year was given to a biological man masquerading and pretending to be a woman. 0.76
00:27:36.000 Play cut 82.
00:27:37.000 In Argentina, Alba Ruada is a transgender woman who was kicked out of classrooms, barred for sitting for exams, refused job opportunities, subjected to violence, and rejected by her family. 0.96
00:27:50.000 But in the face of these challenges, she worked to end violence and discrimination against the LGBTQI plus community in Argentina.
00:28:00.000 LGBTQIA plus community.
00:28:04.000 When you have, I mean, what's so amazing is why are biological women putting up with this? 1.00
00:28:10.000 Well, the answer is because women are more agreeable than men. 1.00
00:28:13.000 And the answer is also because men have become so weak and so feminized that they no longer are standing up for women.
00:28:21.000 For a biological woman to say with a straight face, I'm going to have a man win the International Woman of the Year Award, it's really something. 1.00
00:28:33.000 And it just kind of shows the state of circumstance that we're in.
00:28:36.000 Not to mention the Toronto Raptors come out and they say, yeah, only women can have babies. 1.00
00:28:43.000 And they have to issue an apology for even saying that.
00:28:47.000 Alba Rueda is the International Woman of Courage Award winner, a man.
00:28:51.000 Rachel Levine is the USA Today Woman of the Year, a man.
00:28:56.000 Leah Thomas is the 2022 NCAA Woman of the Year nominee, a man.
00:29:01.000 Faye Johnstone, Hershey's International Woman's Day honoree, a man.
00:29:07.000 For all the arguing against the patriarchy, all that the trans movement has done is only elevate men over women in all of these female competitions.
00:29:19.000 It shows the utter fraud that modern feminism is. 1.00
00:29:24.000 The one thing they used to actually fight for was that there were biological differences between men and women.
00:29:30.000 That was one of their big arguments.
00:29:32.000 We're different.
00:29:33.000 We need things to be calibrated in that way.
00:29:36.000 And now when it actually matters, the feminists are nowhere to be found. 1.00
00:29:44.000 You see, we're receiving a lot of emails in our inbox here about Ukraine and about what's happening there.
00:29:50.000 Unfortunately, the war is intensifying and is heating up.
00:29:56.000 I get asked questions a lot where they say, Charlie, how are we going to get Washington, D.C. to agree on things?
00:30:00.000 And as we have said repeatedly, neoliberalism is the consensus in Washington, D.C. D.C. was in full agreement that Tucker Carlson, making sure you could see the January 6th footage, was wrong.
00:30:14.000 They were in agreement with that.
00:30:16.000 They are in agreement about Ukraine.
00:30:18.000 They're in agreement about the deindustrialization of America.
00:30:21.000 They're in agreement about open borders.
00:30:24.000 They're in agreement about vaccine mandates.
00:30:27.000 And Hillary Clinton, the warmonger herself, is saying we need to increase the amount of military support that we give to Ukraine.
00:30:36.000 Play cut 105.
00:30:37.000 We've had an opportunity to understand just what democracy and freedom means at home.
00:30:46.000 And now we look to what's happening in Ukraine.
00:30:50.000 How inspiring is that to you?
00:30:52.000 It's so inspiring to me.
00:30:54.000 And I hope it is inspiring to every American, particularly those in positions to make decisions, because we have to continue, and I would even argue, increase the military support that we give to the Ukrainians sooner.
00:31:10.000 Geez.
00:31:11.000 I mean, first of all, what a softball question.
00:31:13.000 Hillary Clinton, what ice cream do you like?
00:31:18.000 I mean, it just, it really is something, but it shows, I mean, is that Joe Scarber?
00:31:23.000 I can't see the clip because I'm traveling.
00:31:24.000 To hear his voice.
00:31:25.000 I think that's Joe Scarborough.
00:31:27.000 And yeah, I'm sure it was.
00:31:28.000 So Scarborough's having a dialogue with Hillary Clinton.
00:31:32.000 And it shows that the position of the Uniparty is perpetual war.
00:31:37.000 I feel as if there is an alternate universe that I live in where I just keep on asking a simple question.
00:31:46.000 Why are we not pushing for peace?
00:31:51.000 Why are we not trying to broker a peace deal?
00:31:55.000 Why are the Americans not coming in and trying to say, here's our demands to try to make sure that Ukrainians don't keep getting slaughtered and Russians don't get keep and slaughtered?
00:32:06.000 What are the American conditions for peace?
00:32:09.000 Do we have a position?
00:32:10.000 Are we even entertaining that topic?
00:32:13.000 Since we are the underwriters, upwards of $100 to $200 billion of this effort, of the entire conflict here, which is just ridiculous to me, why are we not saying, can we stop the killing?
00:32:28.000 In fact, the intelligence apparatus is saying that we need to liberate Crimea.
00:32:34.000 That's what they say.
00:32:35.000 They're not saying that we're not going to stop until we liberate Crimea.
00:32:39.000 It seems like our only demand is regime change in Russia and retaking Crimea.
00:32:46.000 And I have asked this question before.
00:32:49.000 How do we know when we have won?
00:32:50.000 What does success look like?
00:32:52.000 And to the great credit of this program and to our team and the people that work so hard to make this podcast and this radio program and this television show happen, we have asked the question since day one, what does success look like?
00:33:05.000 What does success look like?
00:33:07.000 And everybody has a different answer.
00:33:09.000 Lindsey Graham says we need to displace Vladimir Putin.
00:33:12.000 We need to take Putin out.
00:33:14.000 So is success peace?
00:33:17.000 Is it okay if Eastern Ukraine is part of Russia?
00:33:19.000 They say, no, we need to reclaim all of Ukraine.
00:33:22.000 But you're talking about multiple trillions of dollars, maybe Ukraine, maybe American forces on the ground.
00:33:27.000 If only our own country didn't have any issues.
00:33:31.000 And by the way, that was never the original aim.
00:33:34.000 I said, oh, we have to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine.
00:33:37.000 Okay, so now you want to then reliberate Crimea?
00:33:41.000 Or you want to liberate Crimea and then you want to displace Vladimir Putin?
00:33:47.000 It only makes Putin stronger the more you talk like that.
00:33:52.000 The war machine sees a massive opportunity here.
00:33:54.000 And Hillary Clinton, isn't it interesting how Hillary Clinton and Mitch McConnell are in complete agreement on what to do in Ukraine?
00:34:03.000 That Hillary Clinton and Mitch McConnell see it exactly the same way.
00:34:10.000 No difference at all whatsoever.
00:34:13.000 If we weren't $31 trillion in debt, if we didn't have an invasion on our southern border, if we weren't draining our military stockpiles, if we weren't losing 100,000 plus people to drug overdoses, then maybe I could entertain something.
00:34:26.000 Why don't you use the Constitution and go through Congress?
00:34:29.000 This is a continual outrage to all of us.
00:34:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:36.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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