The Charlie Kirk Show - The Myth of MLK

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 A super episode.

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00:00:04.000 Oh, get ready, everybody.

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00:00:08.000 We're questioning MLK.

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00:00:33.000 That's all I'd like.

00:00:34.000 And we also have a great kind of post-conversation with Blake Neff afterwards, who is super smart, high IQ, and great researcher.

00:00:42.000 And we even talk about the positives of MLK because he did, of course, he did some great stuff.

00:00:46.000 And we talk about that.

00:00:47.000 But I think it's a super important conversation.

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00:03:18.000 Today, government buildings and schools and banks are closed all across the country.

00:03:23.000 They are closed because today is a national holiday.

00:03:27.000 It's only one of two holidays in America that honors one specific American by name.

00:03:33.000 Think about that.

00:03:35.000 Only one of two holidays.

00:03:38.000 The other one is, of course, George Washington, but we now just call it President's Day.

00:03:42.000 It's his birthday.

00:03:43.000 Now, today, of course, we're talking about is Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

00:03:47.000 We told people last week that we planned to talk about MLK Day today.

00:03:51.000 In fact, truthfully, I was planning maybe a five-minute segment.

00:03:54.000 Like, okay, it's Iowa Caucus Day, little thing here, move on.

00:03:58.000 However, the media got wind of it because they watch everything we say on this program, every syllable, and they made a huge deal about it.

00:04:05.000 It went totally viral.

00:04:06.000 And they flipped out and they basically wrote a Greta Thunberg story.

00:04:10.000 How dare you? 1.00

00:04:11.000 How dare you?

00:04:12.000 Wait, does I even know what we're going to say?

00:04:15.000 And based on the sheer volume of that response, it's been syndicated across the internet.

00:04:22.000 Now, MLK has become a lot more than a man.

00:04:25.000 MLK has become a myth.

00:04:28.000 MLK is a quasi-religious figure.

00:04:31.000 MLK is the demigod of the 20th century.

00:04:34.000 Did you know in a 2011 Gallup poll, MLK's approval rating was 96%.

00:04:41.000 That same year, Jesus Christ only had a 90% approval rating.

00:04:45.000 So in 2011, MLK was six points more popular than Jesus Christ.

00:04:51.000 MLK is without a doubt the most respected, revered, honored, and even worshipped person of the 20th century.

00:04:56.000 He is, by a million miles, the most untouchable figure of the 20th century.

00:05:01.000 Teachers read kids' books about MLK's life to their students in kindergarten or first grade.

00:05:06.000 It's some of the first education history and civics that kids get.

00:05:09.000 And take a pause for a second.

00:05:10.000 Think about all the giants that lived in the 20th century.

00:05:13.000 Churchill, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Einstein, Rockefeller, Billy Graham.

00:05:17.000 None of them are even remotely as honored as MLK.

00:05:21.000 So what did MLK do to get this honor?

00:05:24.000 Why does he have just one of four federal holidays honoring one specific person?

00:05:29.000 Why does he have a massive monument on the mall in our national capital?

00:05:33.000 A county named after him in Seattle?

00:05:36.000 A street in almost every single city.

00:05:38.000 Why did a group of theologians in 1979 propose adding a letter from the Birmingham jail to the New Testament of the Bible?

00:05:46.000 Well, you don't get that kind of treatment for ordinary human accomplishments.

00:05:50.000 You get that kind of treatment for being a symbol.

00:05:53.000 For most Americans, and especially most conservative Americans, MLK is the symbol of seeking a colorblind society and doing it in a nonviolent way.

00:06:01.000 That's understandably a very appealing idea.

00:06:03.000 A nonviolent Christian who wants a colorblind America, that is something that should resonate with you.

00:06:08.000 In fact, the myth of MLK is far more appealing than the reality of MLK.

00:06:14.000 He is a Moses-type figure who delivered black Americans from segregation and Jim Crow and birthed the new America.

00:06:20.000 But is that how we should think about this day?

00:06:22.000 Well, joining us now is a terrific American, and we're going to get into it.

00:06:26.000 So buckle up for the thought crimes.

00:06:28.000 It's Vince Everett Ellenson, one of my favorite guests.

00:06:31.000 Vince, welcome to the program.

00:06:33.000 Vince, how should we think about Martin Luther King Jr.?

00:06:38.000 Well, you know, Charlie, it pains me to say this.

00:06:42.000 I grew up in the typical black American home where MLK was an icon.

00:06:48.000 My father still has a picture of MLK in my family home in Brownsville, Tennessee.

00:06:55.000 And as a matter of fact, I had an aunt Jenny. 0.89

00:06:58.000 She lived in an old shotgun house with no running water.

00:07:02.000 And she had two pictures in that home.

00:07:05.000 And one was of Jesus Christ, the other one was Martin Luther King Jr.

00:07:08.000 So again, I have a history of being black in America.

00:07:13.000 And it pains me to say the things I'm going to say, but if everything that I've read about Martin Luther King Jr., and again, all of it has come from Democrat Party sources, Democrats, no conservatives here.

00:07:26.000 One book was by David Garrow called Bearing the Cross, another one by Taylor Branch.

00:07:31.000 He was Bill Clinton's roommate at Yale called Partying the Waters.

00:07:34.000 Another one by a guy by the name of Jonathan Eag.

00:07:37.000 He's another very, very liberal Democrat, Ralph Abernathy, Martin Luther King Jr.'s successor and best friend, and a Jackie O'Nassis.

00:07:48.000 They all say the same thing about King.

00:07:50.000 And what they're saying is that he was a despicable man, that he was immoral. 0.86

00:07:56.000 And that started me on my journey.

00:07:59.000 But it went further than that with me.

00:08:01.000 I, on my journey, and it took me seven, eight years writing my first book, The Iron Triangle.

00:08:06.000 I was at the Lorraine Motel doing my research, and they had Kings that have a dream speech looping.

00:08:12.000 And this was during the time when Colin Carpentik and all the young black men were angry inside the NFL and they were kneeling and everybody was mad and George Floyd riots.

00:08:19.000 And I was trying to figure out why they were so angry.

00:08:21.000 I mean, these guys were young, they were attractive, they were supermen, you know, they were rich.

00:08:25.000 And I had heard Martin Luther King Jr.'s, I have a dream speech a thousand times.

00:08:30.000 But the great writer Thomas Wolfe said, you'll see a thing a thousand times before you see it once.

00:08:34.000 And this was one of my Thomas Wolfe moments.

00:08:36.000 I heard Martin Luther King Jr. say something in that speech that I understood was a poison pill that was causing so many problems in America.

00:08:43.000 He said in that speech, 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, the Negro is still not free. 0.99

00:08:51.000 That is a lie.

00:08:53.000 I was born free.

00:08:55.000 And according to John Locke in the second trees of government, my freedom is a gift from God.

00:08:59.000 It's an unalienable right.

00:09:01.000 It is irrevocable, non-transferable, and unsellable.

00:09:05.000 Jesus Christ said in that, it said that he who the Son has freed is free indeed.

00:09:09.000 So Jesus Christ affirmed what John Locke was talking about.

00:09:13.000 In the book of Galatians, it said, for freedom, Christ came to set you free and submit yourself not to slavery.

00:09:19.000 But King was telling us we had to come to Washington, D.C. for our freedom.

00:09:23.000 And five times in that speech, he said we were not free.

00:09:26.000 And at the end of that speech, he had this old refrain.

00:09:28.000 He said, on some certain day, we'll be free at last, free at last.

00:09:31.000 Thank God Almighty, we're free at last.

00:09:33.000 That speech turned the Declaration of Independence on his head because our declaration said that God gave us our freedom.

00:09:40.000 And when King George said, no, I give you your freedom, we said, well, we'll see about that.

00:09:45.000 Come and try to take it.

00:09:46.000 And that whole concept of freedom led us to our declaration and to our freedom in America.

00:09:51.000 But King contradicted the declaration and he contradicted Jesus Christ when he said that we were not born free.

00:09:58.000 So he said in that speech, he said, when will we be satisfied?

00:10:02.000 He said, we will never be satisfied not until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.

00:10:07.000 That was a fashion way of saying never.

00:10:10.000 And our Christian religion tells us that Jesus Christ says that my peace I leave with you.

00:10:15.000 So Martin Luther King is saying we will never be satisfied until America does certain things, which means we're giving, I'm taking our peace from Jesus Christ and giving it to us to Washington, D.C. again.

00:10:25.000 He said he had a dream that one day his fellow children might be judged by the color of their skin, by the contrary of their character.

00:10:31.000 Well, what's wrong with the color of my skin?

00:10:33.000 I'm going to be walking around some racist, begging him not to judge me by the color of my skin.

00:10:39.000 My Christian religion says I'm not to be concerned about how any man views me.

00:10:44.000 I'm supposed to be concerned about how I view him and how Jesus Christ views me.

00:10:48.000 I'm supposed to love him.

00:10:50.000 No matter what he says, no matter what he does, I love him.

00:10:54.000 If he lies on me, I tell the truth on him.

00:10:56.000 If he disrespects me, I respect him.

00:10:58.000 But King said that we were to walk around and dream about a day that some racist white man will look at me and not be offended by the color of my skin.

00:11:10.000 Never me, never me.

00:11:13.000 There's this story I heard about King where he said at this hotel inside of Tallahassee.

00:11:19.000 He's trying to segregate it.

00:11:21.000 They call the police on him.

00:11:22.000 And when the police asked him, what did he want?

00:11:24.000 He said, I want my dignity.

00:11:26.000 Well, see, I hate that story.

00:11:27.000 Why?

00:11:28.000 God gave me my dignity.

00:11:30.000 Martin Luther King Jr. is going to let a $2 hotel clerk take his dignity from him.

00:11:35.000 And he's telling black people that the only way you can have your dignity is the white American gives it to you.

00:11:40.000 This is why we're at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic here in America right now. 0.51

00:11:45.000 In the book of Corinthians, they say there are 11 people when I enter the kingdom of God.

00:11:49.000 One of them, the last one, is the extortionist.

00:11:53.000 What's an extortionist?

00:11:54.000 A person that used coercion, threats, boycotts, sit-ins to get what they want.

00:12:03.000 Our Christian religion says it's going to change the hearts.

00:12:06.000 We're not supposed to use the gun of government. 0.99

00:12:08.000 I'm going to put a gun to your head and make you give me what I want. 0.91

00:12:12.000 And that is the reason why, right now, Time magazine said that America is more segregated now than it was in 1960. 0.97

00:12:19.000 Bobby Rush stood on the congressional floor and said, Our public schools are more segregated now than they were in 1960.

00:12:25.000 What did he achieve?

00:12:27.000 The black family destroyed. 1.00

00:12:29.000 The black church is apostate. 1.00

00:12:32.000 The black economy is destroyed. 1.00

00:12:35.000 The black politician is no good. 1.00

00:12:37.000 He turned the black church over to the Democratic Party. 1.00

00:12:39.000 We got five times more men in prison.

00:12:42.000 The only thing Martin Luther King Jr. did was teach black people to vote for a Marxist Democrat Party.

00:12:48.000 And that's why he has that statue and that's why they love it.

00:12:50.000 Keep riffing and dive into that. 0.61

00:12:52.000 Black America is more segregated, poorer, actually, on average. 0.98

00:12:55.000 By the fruit, you will judge them.

00:12:58.000 What has been the fruit the more we have elevated MLK?

00:13:02.000 Exactly.

00:13:03.000 Well, you know, when you look at the fruit, the Bible says the tree is known by the fruit it bears.

00:13:08.000 And that statement was made when Jesus told his disciples, I'll tell you how to identify a false prophet.

00:13:14.000 He said, look at the truth.

00:13:15.000 Don't watch what he does.

00:13:16.000 Don't watch what he says.

00:13:17.000 You watch what he produces.

00:13:19.000 And if he said, you cannot get good fruit from a bad tree, a bad fruit from a good tree.

00:13:24.000 The free and his fruit be after zone.

00:13:26.000 And if the fruit is bad, the tree had to be bad.

00:13:28.000 And the tree is MLK and the civil rights movement.

00:13:33.000 Martin Luther King Jr. was given the first Margaret Sanger Award in 1966.

00:13:38.000 What's the market?

00:13:39.000 Who was Margaret Sanger? 0.98

00:13:40.000 She started Planned Parenthood. 1.00

00:13:41.000 Planned Parenthood killed 65 million children by 2022.

00:13:49.000 25 million of them white.

00:13:50.000 Martin Luther King Jr. got the Margaret Sanger Award for helping herself abortion clinics in the Black community.

00:13:56.000 It was Martin Luther King Jr. that demanded the LBJ put the man in house clause in welfare.

00:14:01.000 Yeah, he demanded it.

00:14:03.000 LBJ wanted to use the federal government to put the black man back in charge of his family.

00:14:06.000 King said no.

00:14:08.000 David Gerald writes about this in his book, Bearing the Cross.

00:14:11.000 They said put the man in house clause in welfare so that if the man is in the house, the woman gets no money and he had to be run out before she gets a dime.

00:14:20.000 In one generation, the black community went from 80% of their children being born in Wedlock to 80% being born out of wedlock. 0.88

00:14:25.000 Why?

00:14:25.000 MLK's fingerprints were all over it.

00:14:29.000 You know, and then when you start getting into the crazy stuff he did in his personal life, the orgies, the rapes, it all comes together, that there was something extraordinarily wrong here.

00:14:43.000 And he's been elevated for what?

00:14:46.000 You know, the FBI said that he's a Marxist.

00:14:53.000 John F. Kennedy told him he needed to get the communists out of his group.

00:14:56.000 He told me he had Bayard Rustin, Stanley Levinson, Jack O'Dale.

00:15:00.000 They were communists.

00:15:02.000 In these books, they say that the communists were the ones in bankrolling the whole civil rights movement.

00:15:07.000 Jack O'Dell was the executive director of the SELC.

00:15:11.000 Jack O'Dell was a full-fledged communist.

00:15:13.000 Stanley Levison was the one that put in there.

00:15:15.000 Stanley Levison was a communist.

00:15:17.000 Bayard Rustin was a communist.

00:15:18.000 And when John F. Kennedy told him to get them out, he told John F. Kennedy that he would. 0.79

00:15:23.000 He lied to him.

00:15:24.000 And that's when Hooper started putting the wiretaps on him.

00:15:26.000 So all of this stuff comes together and you look at what the black community is.

00:15:30.000 In 1956, the Comintern gave their spies in the Civil Rights Movement a job.

00:15:37.000 They said, we want you to make the Black community a replica of the Soviet bloc.

00:15:40.000 They've been successful.

00:15:42.000 The Black community is a third world nation in the United States of America. 0.57

00:15:46.000 We have dictator worship, apostate ministry. 0.97

00:15:51.000 We have one party rule, abject poverty, violence, and crime.

00:15:56.000 We are just like the Soviet Union right before the Berlin Wall failed.

00:16:00.000 They accomplished their mission.

00:16:01.000 And then the white people from the civil rights movement jumped from the civil rights movement into the Democratic Party and made the Democratic Party a Marxist organization in 1972.

00:16:10.000 They did everything they planned to do, and it came from the civil rights movement.

00:16:14.000 The civil rights movement didn't have anyone except for the communists in the United States of America. 0.96

00:16:18.000 Black people are worse off behind the civil rights movement. 0.99

00:16:20.000 And until we come to that conclusion, until we take all of this stupidity and ignorance and throw it away and pull it up root and stern, we'll always be at the bottom of everything in America. 1.00

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00:17:55.000 So there's many directions we can go here.

00:17:57.000 And I want to just emphasize one of them.

00:18:01.000 We know for certain that MLK, being a minister, was a womanizer and had multiple 40-plus affairs.

00:18:08.000 I want to make sure that is mentioned.

00:18:10.000 Now, that's not necessarily a disqualification, but it should make pause before we turn that into a national holiday.

00:18:18.000 But there's also another accusation around Martin Luther King.

00:18:23.000 This guy won a Pulitzer Prize for running an MLK bio by David Garrow, as you say.

00:18:29.000 So the accusation is essentially based on a FBI document, which could be fabricated.

00:18:35.000 The FBI lies.

00:18:36.000 So I will put that an asterisk on that because I don't believe everything the FBI says.

00:18:40.000 But this is a Pulitzer Prize winner on the King biography.

00:18:45.000 Said, quote, a group met in a hotel room and discussed which women among the parishioners would be suitable for natural and unnatural sex acts. 0.88

00:18:54.000 When one of the women protested that she did not approve of this, the Baptist minister immediately and forcibly raped her.

00:19:01.000 The type summary states parenthetically, saying that, quote, Martin Luther King looked on, laughed, and offered advice while the woman was raped.

00:19:11.000 Vince, your reaction.

00:19:13.000 Well, I believe it because in Ralph Abernathy's book, And the Walls Came Tumbling Down, he talked about the night before King died after he gave the mountaintop speech.

00:19:22.000 And he said that he went over, they said that they went to Reverend Benjamin Hook's house for dinner.

00:19:29.000 That was a cover story, but that wasn't true.

00:19:31.000 He said, they actually went to this one woman's house and King slept with her.

00:19:34.000 Then they went to the Lorraine Motel and he met with the first female black senator from Georgia. 0.96

00:19:40.000 Her name was Georgia. 0.99

00:19:41.000 Her last name was Powers. 1.00

00:19:43.000 They said the king slept with her.

00:19:46.000 While there, they say his second wife, her name was Dorothy Cotton.

00:19:50.000 Worked with ACLC, found out what happened, and she confronted King.

00:19:54.000 And Ralph Abernathy said they got to fighting in the hotel room, and King beat her up.

00:19:58.000 Now, this is what Ralph Abernathy said.

00:20:00.000 This is not the FBI.

00:20:02.000 So, this looks like this was part of King's behavior.

00:20:04.000 He slept with two women that night, then he beat up a third woman the night before he got shot.

00:20:11.000 So, and about these FBI files, I'm going to tell you, Charlie, why I believe them.

00:20:16.000 You and I know that they have the suicide letter in these FBI files.

00:20:21.000 Whether the FBI sent King a note with sex tapes in it telling them that they were going to release all this stuff if he didn't commit suicide.

00:20:28.000 If these guys were going to lie about something, they would have lied about that.

00:20:33.000 They would have taken that suicide letter out or they would have redacted it or something.

00:20:37.000 If you're going to put a letter in the file that says you told a guy to kill himself, you're going to put everything in the file.

00:20:45.000 So, if you read the books of the people that know King best, you'll see that this type of behavior that the FBI is talking about was something that they all knew he did and that they all validated.

00:20:57.000 So, yes, I believe it.

00:20:59.000 And again, a tree is known by the fruit it bears.

00:21:01.000 A fish rocked on the head down. 1.00

00:21:03.000 Look at the condition of the black community, and you'll see that it was led by a bunch of liars, perverts, psychopaths, and anti-Christian bigots. 1.00

00:21:11.000 And one last thing: King was excommunicated from the Black church in 1961. 1.00

00:21:16.000 So, people think that King was a southern black preacher.

00:21:18.000 He was excommunicated from the National Baptist Convention in 1961 because he tried to take over the National Baptist Convention for the Civil Rights Movement.

00:21:26.000 They had a bishop by the name of Bishop Jackson that didn't want this to happen.

00:21:29.000 So, at the convention in Kansas City in 1961, King and his boys decided to try to force a floor vote on the floor.

00:21:37.000 They got into a fist fight and they killed a preacher on the floor at the convention in 1961.

00:21:43.000 They had to call in the riot police.

00:21:46.000 And the mayor of Kansas City came in and shut the thing down.

00:21:50.000 King lost the floor vote.

00:21:52.000 And when he lost the floor vote, they excommunicated King from the National Baptist Church.

00:21:58.000 So, what did King do?

00:21:59.000 He got about 10% of his libertine perverted preachers and they started their own religion.

00:22:06.000 And it's called the Progressive National Baptist Convention.

00:22:10.000 Look it up.

00:22:11.000 That is a sect that Raphael Warnot belongs to.

00:22:14.000 They believe in abortion, LGBTQ, all kinds of crazy stuff. 0.92

00:22:18.000 They are an apostate organization. 0.59

00:22:21.000 It's called the Progressive National Baptist Convention.

00:22:24.000 People still thought that King was part of the National Baptist Convention because the National Baptist Convention was in the name.

00:22:31.000 No, he was excommunicated from the Black church.

00:22:36.000 And most people don't know it.

00:22:37.000 So, Martin Luther King Jr. was excommunicated from the Black church, got the Margaret Sanger Award for setting up abortion clinics in the Black community, and put the Man Out Clause in welfare that basically destroyed the Black family. 0.56

00:22:51.000 Nevertheless, he is being celebrated.

00:22:53.000 And if you go to his monument right now in Washington, C. Washington, D.C., and look for anything on that monument, all the nice quotes and everything, there's nothing on that monument that mentions God anywhere.

00:23:06.000 It doesn't even mention that a reverend.

00:23:08.000 Wow.

00:23:08.000 You know why?

00:23:09.000 Not a mistake.

00:23:10.000 That was a confession.

00:23:12.000 They knew exactly who they were.

00:23:14.000 They were using God for power.

00:23:15.000 So, Vince, one part I want to explore with you is that when MLK was alive, his approval rating was rather low, right near 30%.

00:23:24.000 So his contemporaries did not think very highly of him.

00:23:27.000 In fact, even in the decades that followed, it was a big lift to get it to become a federal holiday.

00:23:34.000 Now he has an approval rating near 96 to 98%.

00:23:39.000 How is that possible, Vince?

00:23:41.000 It's one of the most popular people.

00:23:44.000 He's as real as Aslan from Chronicles of Narnia or Gandalf from Lord of the Rings.

00:23:49.000 Only something fake and fictitious could get a 96% approval rating.

00:23:55.000 And it turns out that what we think of as MLK is largely a fable, is a legend, is a myth.

00:24:04.000 Vince, your thoughts?

00:24:05.000 Well, the people of America are very good people.

00:24:08.000 And when King got shot and he got murdered at the time, he's 39 years old.

00:24:13.000 He had the wife and the beautiful wife and the four small children.

00:24:17.000 Your heart goes out to him.

00:24:18.000 And then they took the co-intemporal tapes, which, of course, I don't know a lot of people know this.

00:24:26.000 The FBI did not release this information on King.

00:24:28.000 They had it sealed.

00:24:30.000 And a bunch of young hippies broke into the FBI office and stole the Cointemporal tapes and files, I mean, and then turned them over to the Washington Post.

00:24:37.000 And the Washington Post printed some of them.

00:24:40.000 And so a federal judge has taken these files and he sealed them until for 50 years until 2027.

00:24:48.000 So in 2027, we'll know a lot more.

00:24:51.000 But in that time, it gave the Marxists and the communists in the press a lot of time to do a lot of PR for their fallen saint.

00:24:59.000 And they took advantage of it.

00:25:01.000 You already know this, Charlie, that the oppress is filled of Marxists and communists and socialists.

00:25:06.000 And King was their guy.

00:25:08.000 Look, LBJ had just passed a great society.

00:25:11.000 I mean, he had Medicaid welfare, you name it.

00:25:14.000 And that wasn't enough for Martin Luther King Jr.

00:25:16.000 Martin Luther King Jr. started, was going to get ready to do the Poor People's March.

00:25:19.000 And he wanted $30 billion back then for free housing, free food, free medical care, free everything.

00:25:27.000 He was going to take a million people to Washington, D.C., and shut it down.

00:25:31.000 LBJ didn't give enough.

00:25:34.000 King wanted more.

00:25:36.000 And he took the black community and he turned them from a group of people that depended on God to a people that depended on government. 0.98

00:25:47.000 I'm the type of guy that says, when they say that black people are victims and they're oppressed, I say, I'm an heir of Jesus Christ.

00:25:55.000 I'm a child of God.

00:25:57.000 You cannot oppress me.

00:25:59.000 I'm an heir of Jesus Christ.

00:26:00.000 I'm a child of God.

00:26:01.000 I cannot be a victim.

00:26:03.000 When they talk about white supremacy, I said, I'm an heir of Jesus Christ.

00:26:06.000 I'm a child of God.

00:26:07.000 Show me the white man superior to me.

00:26:09.000 And we'll put that to the test.

00:26:12.000 See, I don't walk around asking a man for my freedom as King was doing.

00:26:16.000 I defy him to come inside to take my freedom from me.

00:26:19.000 God gave it to me.

00:26:20.000 It is mine.

00:26:22.000 And if you come and try to take my freedom from me, I have the right to defend myself.

00:26:27.000 So if you don't like me because of the color of my skin, that's your problem.

00:26:32.000 If you put your hands on me, you're going to have another one.

00:26:36.000 And if anybody ever comes and tries to take something from me, hurt me, or hurt my family, I got two things that will get you off me.

00:26:44.000 And that's Jesus in my 38.

00:26:45.000 I hope you don't try it.

00:26:48.000 Vince, you bring up a very powerful point here that I want to emphasize, which is we've largely thought of MLK as a hologram.

00:26:56.000 And I want to be very morally clear to the audience.

00:26:58.000 It's actually a hologram that is, it makes sense.

00:27:04.000 Again, you have a guy that allegedly was arguing for a colorblind, merit-based society.

00:27:09.000 That's the country I want to live in.

00:27:11.000 The quote that he's best known for, content of character, color of the skin, was actually not a good summary of his worldview or his actions or his political.

00:27:22.000 He didn't even write that speech.

00:27:24.000 No, dream about communists.

00:27:25.000 Yeah, no, that's what's critical.

00:27:28.000 And I will also have to say, I dream of a day where people are judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

00:27:35.000 Well, MLK, we're now judging you by the content of your character.

00:27:38.000 We're using your own rule.

00:27:40.000 And we're not seeing great character, right, Vince?

00:27:43.000 Well, see here.

00:27:44.000 Here it is, Charlie.

00:27:44.000 We'll see here.

00:27:46.000 This is an aspirational view that we all believe in.

00:27:49.000 But Martin Luther King Jr. wanted to use government to make it happen.

00:27:52.000 And the government is not designed for that.

00:27:54.000 This is for the pulpit.

00:27:55.000 This is for the schools.

00:27:58.000 This is for the family.

00:27:59.000 This is for us as individuals.

00:28:00.000 He wanted to use the government to come and put a gun to people's heads and tell them, you're going to do this, and you're going to accept people, you're going to do that, or we're going to put you in jail, or we're going to fine you, or we're going to shut you down, or we're going to close you down.

00:28:11.000 And you see, it did not work.

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00:29:19.000 I'm going to read a quote here from MLK.

00:29:21.000 Now, understandably, towards the end of his life, before he was assassinated, he became more and more of a cheerleader for redistributionism, of property confiscation.

00:29:33.000 I'm going to read this quote.

00:29:35.000 White Americans must recognize that justice for black people cannot be achieved without radical changes in the structure of our society.

00:29:45.000 Time out.

00:29:46.000 This is after the Civil Rights Act.

00:29:48.000 This is after the Voting Rights Act.

00:29:50.000 This is after the Great Society.

00:29:51.000 Vince, MLK was not satisfied.

00:29:54.000 He was a revolutionary that was pushing for, quote, radical changes in the structure of our society.

00:30:02.000 What did he mean by that?

00:30:03.000 That was in 1967.

00:30:06.000 It was Marxism, just completely.

00:30:08.000 He had taken the black church and he used it as a political vehicle.

00:30:13.000 He wasn't talking about changing it through Christianity.

00:30:16.000 Jesus Christ told us to change people by changing their hearts.

00:30:19.000 He never talked about using the Roman army to change the minds of the Jewish people or anybody.

00:30:25.000 He said, you have to let your light shine so men might see your good works and glorify the father which is in heaven.

00:30:32.000 King said no.

00:30:33.000 He was like Vito Foleon and the Godfather, you know, when it first came on and Michael told Kay the story of how Vito took this big bodyguard by the name of Luga Rossi down and put the gun to the head of the band leader and told him either his brains or his name was going to be on the contract to let his godson go.

00:30:52.000 When Martin Luther King says, I want to eat a hamburger down south, man says no.

00:30:56.000 He says, I'm going to go get the federal government and put a gun in your head. 0.56

00:31:00.000 If Vito Foleone was violent, how was King not violent? 0.99

00:31:04.000 Charlie, I'm telling you, I want you beat up. 0.91

00:31:06.000 I'm not going to beat you up. 0.99

00:31:07.000 I'm going to hire somebody to beat you up. 0.97

00:31:09.000 Am I a violent man? 0.99

00:31:10.000 Of course I am.

00:31:12.000 So King says, I want this and I want that.

00:31:14.000 White folks down south say, I won't give it to you. 0.99

00:31:16.000 I'm going to get the federal government to put a gun in your head and put you in jail if you don't give it to me. 0.99

00:31:20.000 How is that not using violence? 0.99

00:31:22.000 It was a game.

00:31:23.000 It was a game of power. 0.92

00:31:25.000 He used the black church for power. 1.00

00:31:28.000 You never heard him talk about baptism. 0.71

00:31:30.000 You never heard him talking about healing the sick.

00:31:33.000 You never heard him talking about forgiveness, forbearance.

00:31:36.000 We're all talking about loving one another, forgiving one another, forbearance to one another.

00:31:41.000 These jobs talk about reparation.

00:31:43.000 We want more money for health care.

00:31:45.000 We want you to give us that. 0.95

00:31:46.000 If not, we're going to shut you down.

00:31:48.000 We're going to change the law.

00:31:49.000 We're going to ride.

00:31:49.000 We're going to burn stuff up.

00:31:51.000 No.

00:31:52.000 My job is to tell you, I love you.

00:31:55.000 I'll help you.

00:31:56.000 I'll do anything you need me to do.

00:31:58.000 If you need a good doctor, I'll find you one.

00:32:00.000 You need a good preacher.

00:32:01.000 I hope to get one.

00:32:02.000 You need a job?

00:32:03.000 I hope you find one.

00:32:05.000 But don't you take my love and my kindness for weakness.

00:32:09.000 See, the reason why so many young black men went to the nation of Islam back in the 70s and the 60s was because Martin Luther King Jr. them told them that Christianity was about laying down and getting a hellbeat out of you. 1.00

00:32:20.000 Allowing white folks to beat you and stump you and rape your children and rape your wives. 0.98

00:32:25.000 He ran so many young black folks out of Christianity because they said, I am not going to do that because it was a bastardized southern slave master plantation version of Christianity that was not true. 1.00

00:32:40.000 You are supposed to protect what you love. 0.85

00:32:42.000 You're supposed to tend to what you love.

00:32:45.000 The first concept of love is do no self-harm and don't let nobody harm anything that you love. 0.99

00:32:53.000 But instead, we were letting them beat us, kill us, rape us. 0.97

00:32:57.000 And a lot of young black folks love Christianity because of it. 1.00

00:33:00.000 And that is a lie. 0.83

00:33:01.000 So, Vince, talk about the damage because we have to be honest, Black America is not doing well today.

00:33:06.000 Talk about the damage of the welfare state and how MLK's narrative and political activism led to the modern welfare state.

00:33:16.000 Yeah, David Garrow, again, he wrote about this in his book.

00:33:20.000 Patrick Moynihan wrote this great study called the Morningham Report.

00:33:24.000 It was legendary.

00:33:25.000 Patrick Moynihan proved that welfare was destroying the Black family.

00:33:29.000 He saw that Black men were working, but the family was being more destroyed and more people were getting on welfare.

00:33:35.000 And he said, what's happening is these young girls that are getting pregnant aren't getting married anymore. 0.92

00:33:40.000 So he told LBJ, we got to cut this out or the black family is going to be destroyed. 0.98

00:33:44.000 So he said, what we need to do is take the federal government and put the black man back in charge of his family. 1.00

00:33:50.000 LBJ was all for it.

00:33:52.000 But LBJ, being the politician, said, you got to go and sell this to the civil rights community.

00:33:56.000 So McGeorge Bundy was over the Ford Foundation at that time.

00:34:01.000 He told Moynahan that we are sponsoring a retreat for the civil rights community.

00:34:06.000 Come with me down there and present your findings to them.

00:34:09.000 McGeorge Bundy, Moynihan went down there, met with Martin Luther King Jr. and the members of the civil rights community.

00:34:16.000 According to David Garrow, McGeorge Bundy said, it's a wonder Moynihan got out of that room alive.

00:34:22.000 They call him everything but a child of God, cussed him out, called him a racist. 0.99

00:34:27.000 Moynahan goes back to LBJ and said, man, these people are crazy. 0.98

00:34:30.000 We can't have nothing to do with them.

00:34:31.000 LBJ said we got to do what they said do. 1.00

00:34:34.000 They came back and met with LBJ and the feminists in the movement said, instead of taking the federal government to put the man back in charge of his family, we need to use it to get the man out because marriage is just like slavery. 0.92

00:34:48.000 And instead of putting and fixing the welfare state where women could get welfare if they got married, they changed it to where if they caught a man in the house, she could get no help.

00:34:58.000 And in one generation, the black community was having 80% of their children in wedlock to 80% being born out of wedlock.

00:35:05.000 And they put the man in-house clause in welfare and it destroyed the black family. 0.69

00:35:09.000 And Martin Luther King Jr.'s fingerprints were all on it.

00:35:12.000 And Ralph Abernathy wrote, and the walls came tumbling down.

00:35:15.000 He said that in the late 70s, he went to the black people in Congress and showed them how welfare was destroying the black community, how it was keeping three generations of black people in poverty.

00:35:29.000 And Ralph Abernathy wrote this in his book.

00:35:31.000 He said, and something curious happened.

00:35:33.000 It pleased them to have two or three generations of black people locked in poverty because that's how they could control them. 1.00

00:35:42.000 Ralph said that they were pushing segregation because this is how they could keep all black people in the inner city and could keep their positions of power in government.

00:35:51.000 And that's when Ralph Abernathy said that he supported Ronald Reagan for president in 1980. 0.96

00:35:56.000 So it's always been part of their job to keep black people poor, ignorant, under their control, and voting for the Democrat Party. 1.00

00:36:04.000 In my first book, The Iron Triangle, I said that the Black preacher, the Black politician, and the Black civil rights worker are conduits between rich white liberals and the Democrat Party. 0.97

00:36:16.000 And their job is to do one thing: make sure that the Black community votes for the Democratic Party by hook or by crook. 0.98

00:36:22.000 And they've been doing it well for the last 40, 50 years.

00:36:25.000 But there's a change coming now, Charlie.

00:36:27.000 You've seen the polls.

00:36:29.000 About 61% of Black people now support Joe Biden.

00:36:33.000 And there's a panic in the Democrat Party.

00:36:35.000 And that 61%, it dropped from 90% in 2020 to about 61% now.

00:36:42.000 And that's happening because of people like you, Candace Owens, me, Officer Brandon Tater, us going out there every day and grinding and grinding and grinding.

00:36:53.000 It ain't the GOP.

00:36:54.000 So, Vince, I have to say so.

00:36:57.000 When I said that we were going to do this MLK segment, I'd say the number one piece of critical feedback I received, and that's fine, is Charlie, you're going to turn off black voters if you dare tell the truth about MLK. 1.00

00:37:06.000 How should I respond to that, Vince?

00:37:08.000 Black people will love you for because the truth is the truth.

00:37:11.000 Who can hide from them?

00:37:12.000 You're telling the truth.

00:37:14.000 They're going to research everything you said today, Charlie. 0.98

00:37:16.000 They're going to say, I will be damned. 0.97

00:37:17.000 It's correct. 0.97

00:37:18.000 It's right.

00:37:19.000 Check it off.

00:37:20.000 It's the truth. 0.99

00:37:22.000 Black people aren't any better. 1.00

00:37:23.000 What are you celebrating? 0.99

00:37:25.000 I'm sorry.

00:37:26.000 I just say, I think it's so incredibly bigoted and racist that you like when someone says, oh, you know, you're going to upset the balance of blacks coming our way if you dare tell the truth. 0.98

00:37:36.000 No, what kind of silly, strange, bizarre, bigoted argument? 0.98

00:37:40.000 In fact, I think it's the opposite, Vince. 0.89

00:37:42.000 What I've learned over the last couple of years is pursuing the tough topics actually builds our movement.

00:37:48.000 It strengthens our movement because the truth will set you free.

00:37:51.000 Charlie, they're afraid of the truth. 0.91

00:37:53.000 They're liars. 1.00

00:37:54.000 You know, I've been saying since you know me that the Democratic Party is controlled by a couple of perverts, liars, psychopaths, and anti-Christian bigots. 1.00

00:38:02.000 They lie. 1.00

00:38:03.000 How do you know a Democrat is lying?

00:38:06.000 His lips are moving.

00:38:08.000 That's how they keep us under control.

00:38:10.000 They lie. 1.00

00:38:10.000 They want to tell black people that white conservative Christians are their enemy. 1.00

00:38:14.000 No, the white liberal is your enemy. 0.99

00:38:17.000 The white conservative Christian will do nothing to hurt or harm you. 1.00

00:38:20.000 It is that white liberal, like Michael Mexic says, that is the enemy of all mankind. 0.99

00:38:24.000 They are atheists. 0.98

00:38:26.000 They're Marxists. 0.97

00:38:27.000 They're full of hate and envy.

00:38:29.000 And they use people for power.

00:38:33.000 And they get some type of weird charge out of seeing pain. 0.99

00:38:37.000 They have to kill people. 1.00

00:38:38.000 They have to harm people. 0.96

00:38:39.000 The greatest trick the devil ever played on mankind was to convince us that he no longer existed.

00:38:45.000 The devil exists and he rests his head at the DNC.

00:38:50.000 That's where he lays his head.

00:38:52.000 That's where he puts all of his clothes.

00:38:54.000 He lives there.

00:38:56.000 And these are the heathenest people ever walked the face of this earth. 0.94

00:38:58.000 And they use MLK and all of those perverts with him.

00:39:02.000 There's a chapter in my book, 25 Lies.

00:39:06.000 One of the lies is that the civil rights leaders were moral people.

00:39:11.000 They were not.

00:39:13.000 James Bevel, the guy that was in control of all of the marching and all of the organizing. 0.98

00:39:19.000 James Bevel went to jail for raping his daughters. 0.97

00:39:23.000 You saw what Jesse Jackson did after a king got assassinated. 0.98

00:39:28.000 He slipped away, got a t-shirt, put fake blood on it, went on every TV show the next day and said he held Baldwin King Jr. while he died, saying, Dr. King, can you hear me?

00:39:38.000 Dr. King, can you hear me?

00:39:40.000 And then Dr. King told him to take over the civil rights movement.

00:39:43.000 Yeah, that's what Jesse Jackson did.

00:39:45.000 This is this is, and Ralph Abernathy wrote a word about it and the walls came tumbling down.

00:39:49.000 He wrote about what Jesse Jackson did and told how they felt about it.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, when you start talking about Bayard Rustin, went to jail for having sex with two men in a parked car. 0.95

00:39:59.000 He was a communist. 0.64

00:40:00.000 You can go on down the line and you'll find that all of these guys, something was wrong with them.

00:40:06.000 They would have orgies with 20 men and 20 women in a hotel room. 0.64

00:40:10.000 They get drunk. 0.98

00:40:13.000 David Garrett wrote about this situation where Dr. King and Clara Ward, the black gospel singer, bought this white prostitute named Gail, took up to a hotel room. 1.00

00:40:25.000 Dr. King called one of his pastor friends and said, man, I got this white girl. 0.98

00:40:29.000 Come on, let's have some fun. 0.81

00:40:30.000 And Gail told the FBI about how they ran trains on her all night long, how they were drunk, and it was the worst orgy she'd ever been in. 0.99

00:40:38.000 This man is supposed to be saving prostitutes.

00:40:40.000 This man is supposed to be healing them and freeing their souls.

00:40:46.000 This man is supposed to be baptizing every communist, every socialist, every atheist that came around Martin Luther King Jr. was supposed to have been changed.

00:40:55.000 Instead, he was engaging in the foul behavior.

00:41:00.000 And now look at the black community at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in the world.

00:41:06.000 Why? 1.00

00:41:07.000 Because we followed a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and psychopaths. 1.00

00:41:13.000 And you will not be blessed doing such a thing. 1.00

00:41:15.000 A tree is known by the fruit it bears.

00:41:20.000 Look at our fruit.

00:41:22.000 If the fruit is rotten, the tree is rotten.

00:41:25.000 And the tree is Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights community.

00:41:28.000 I do want to respond to one of the criticisms that somebody has sent.

00:41:33.000 They say, oh, Charlie, you are tearing down statues no differently than the left.

00:41:37.000 Well, first of all, I haven't called for tearing down any statues.

00:41:40.000 But wait a second.

00:41:42.000 If you get a statue like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, you probably got it for a good reason.

00:41:47.000 You founded a country.

00:41:48.000 And if you're saying that Martin Luther King is a new founder of New America, then make that argument.

00:41:54.000 The question is, should it be a federal holiday?

00:41:56.000 Should it be one of the largest statues, monuments in Washington, D.C.

00:42:00.000 These are legit questions.

00:42:02.000 And is it the myth, the legend, the fable?

00:42:04.000 Or is it the reality?

00:42:05.000 And what purpose does it serve?

00:42:07.000 Has it made America a better country?

00:42:10.000 We want all people to have a better quality of life.

00:42:13.000 And Marxism is not the pathway.

00:42:15.000 And race Marxism certainly is not the pathway.

00:42:18.000 So, Vince, I typically wouldn't put my guests on the spot to respond to this, but it's so overwhelming where the shallow criticism people are launching towards me is Charlie is racist.

00:42:29.000 Charlie is racist.

00:42:30.000 Charlie is racist because we're talking about this. 0.98

00:42:33.000 Vince, how would you respond to that? 0.99

00:42:35.000 These are people that like to see black people in their place. 0.98

00:42:38.000 See, they like to see us begging white people. 0.99

00:42:41.000 They like to see us on our knees. 0.96

00:42:42.000 They like to see us crying.

00:42:46.000 A educated free man cannot be a slave.

00:42:49.000 A man that believes that his power comes from God, comes from Jesus Christ, comes from his own self that's independent and free, cannot be a slave.

00:42:58.000 And unless you pull all of that out of him, he will not vote for the Democratic Party.

00:43:02.000 The Democratic Party was a part of slavery from 1800 to 1860.

00:43:06.000 It was a party of Jim Crow from 1860 to 1850.

00:43:08.000 It was a part of the Confederacy from 1860 to 1865.

00:43:11.000 It was a part of Jim Crow from 1865 to 1970. 0.97

00:43:15.000 They've always gained their power by beating down black people. 1.00

00:43:19.000 And now they're the part of socialism, the party of Marxism, party of abortion, party of transgenderism. 0.99

00:43:25.000 They have to make you a victim in order to succeed.

00:43:28.000 And the way they make us victims is to tell us that we have to depend on them and beg them for everything.

00:43:34.000 And that's the civil rights movement.

00:43:35.000 And that's Martin Luther King.

00:43:37.000 Martin Luther King Jr. Marched, begged, and was beaten, asking government to feed, clothe, and protect him.

00:43:47.000 A man like me that says, I don't need you to feed me, to clothe me, or protect me, is a problem for them.

00:43:56.000 They need to make me like they made George Floyd, who is a prototypical black man. 0.99

00:44:01.000 He and Martin Luther King Jr. are the prototypical black men.

00:44:04.000 I can't do for myself.

00:44:06.000 I got to go to government.

00:44:07.000 I'm scared.

00:44:09.000 Please protect me.

00:44:10.000 The police are chasing me.

00:44:12.000 What's my remedy to this?

00:44:15.000 Take my gun and hand it over to the police who's chasing me. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Why don't you just be expeditious and blow your own damn brains out? 1.00

00:44:22.000 Crying, afraid. 1.00

00:44:24.000 They stink in my nostrils.

00:44:26.000 A real man is not afraid of anything.

00:44:28.000 365 times in the Bible, God ordered us to fear not.

00:44:33.000 And therefore, to walk around here saying I'm afraid in my country, he says that I got you.

00:44:38.000 You ain't got to beg for nothing.

00:44:40.000 I am your father.

00:44:42.000 The cattle on a thousand hills belong to me.

00:44:44.000 And we're begging for the scraps that fall off that table.

00:44:49.000 Never me.

00:44:50.000 So when a man stands up and when a man says I take care of myself, I don't need your help.

00:44:55.000 It scares the hell out of them. 0.64

00:44:57.000 And they don't want black people to hear this. 1.00

00:44:59.000 They want black people to say, that black man crazy. 1.00

00:45:02.000 You can't do for yourself. 1.00

00:45:04.000 You have to ask us.

00:45:05.000 You have to beg us.

00:45:06.000 Get back on the plantation, boy.

00:45:10.000 Well, when they start thinking like me, they're offered it and they say offer it for good.

00:45:14.000 And that's why the Democratic Party is going to start losing because black people are getting off their plantation and they're going to be free.

00:45:20.000 It's the call to action 2024.

00:45:22.000 It's time to get Black America to keep getting this message out.

00:45:26.000 Leave the Democrat Party.

00:45:28.000 Embrace the principles that you actually, at a fundamental level, believe.

00:45:32.000 Make the pitch for 2024.

00:45:34.000 Trump, Biden, make the pitch.

00:45:36.000 Man, Joe Biden is the worst president since James Buchanan. 0.98

00:45:42.000 He has allowed drag queens to go into the schools and shake their behinds in their children's faces. 1.00

00:45:46.000 He wants your children to transition without the parents' permission.

00:45:49.000 He wants to put pornography in the schools. 0.95

00:45:51.000 He wants to murder children up to the ninth month. 1.00

00:45:53.000 He wants to cut off little breasts, the breasts of little girls and call them little boys, castrate little boys and call them little girls. 1.00

00:45:59.000 He started two wars. 1.00

00:46:03.000 He acted like a coward in Afghanistan.

00:46:06.000 He has expanded our budget by 50% from $4 trillion to $6 trillion. 0.75

00:46:11.000 He's put us in more debt.

00:46:13.000 You can't buy a house.

00:46:15.000 The money that you make doesn't go nearly as far as it used to go.

00:46:20.000 Every American now is spending $1,000 more a month than they were spending when Trump was president.

00:46:24.000 Biden has to go.

00:46:25.000 If you vote for Joe Biden and vote for the Democratic Party, you might as well call yourself insane because what is insanity?

00:46:32.000 Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

00:46:36.000 Things are better under Trump.

00:46:37.000 Before, they'll be better under Trump.

00:46:39.000 Now the world will get back in line.

00:46:42.000 America will get back in line and we'll be a freer, better nation again.

00:46:46.000 Vote, but vote Trump this time.

00:46:49.000 Love it.

00:46:49.000 Vince, God bless you, man.

00:46:50.000 Thank you for your courage.

00:46:51.000 We'll have you back on soon.

00:46:53.000 People are emailing us like crazy.

00:46:55.000 They're buying your books.

00:46:56.000 Vince, you were terrific.

00:46:57.000 God bless you.

00:46:58.000 Thanks so much.

00:46:59.000 Charlie, thank you for your bravery.

00:47:00.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:47:01.000 As long as you and I get out there, we're going to keep this thing going, brother.

00:47:04.000 God bless you.

00:47:05.000 Thank you.

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00:47:46.000 So, Blake, let's just kind of fill in the backstory here and then react to Vince's conversation with us.

00:47:51.000 This started as a one-off comment, which exploded into something way bigger than we ever intended.

00:47:57.000 It was literally just, you said, you know, MLK day is coming up, and we were going to do a show that day.

00:48:01.000 So, he's just like, you know, there's a lot of stuff people don't know about MLK.

00:48:05.000 I'll have Blake go look something up.

00:48:07.000 And then someone at Wired, I guess, saw it.

00:48:10.000 And they usually cover like Bitcoin.

00:48:11.000 Blake, Blake, that's the bad guy you have on your staff.

00:48:15.000 And then they send us that irate email.

00:48:17.000 And it's like, well, we can't back down now.

00:48:19.000 Now we got to go.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 We really got to blow it up.

00:48:21.000 And the way I'm wired is that the more opposition I get from, I kind of then want to lean in.

00:48:27.000 And it was so, how dare you?

00:48:29.000 Or we're going to punish you or we're going to hurt you.

00:48:33.000 It was very almost quasi-threatening in the way that they were communicating.

00:48:37.000 Yeah.

00:48:38.000 And it gets it exactly what you said.

00:48:41.000 He is the most sacred figure of the 20th century.

00:48:44.000 So I want to be fair, because we're fair people.

00:48:46.000 That what are the good things in MLK's life?

00:48:51.000 What are things that we could isolate that are good that are just to be honest arbiters of history?

00:48:57.000 I think there's several.

00:48:58.000 I think, obviously, Jim Crow, as it existed in the South still in the 50s and early 60s, in terms of restrictions on voting, segregated buses, segregated public spaces.

00:49:10.000 That was all bad.

00:49:11.000 That was all evil.

00:49:12.000 And it was good that MLK campaigned against it.

00:49:16.000 It is good that he did it in a nonviolent way.

00:49:19.000 There's more nuance to that as we'll get into that.

00:49:23.000 There's more nuance to it.

00:49:24.000 But MLK himself was a nonviolent person who always promoted nonviolence.

00:49:29.000 He rejected, he enraged a lot of people on his own side who wanted to be more like violent revolutionaries, who really idolized, you know, these insane whack jobs in Russia or China.

00:49:41.000 And they want blood in the streets.

00:49:42.000 And he says, no, we're not going to do that.

00:49:45.000 I think that was very positive.

00:49:47.000 I think he, when his rhetoric was at his best, obviously we see that with the I Have a Dream speech.

00:49:53.000 That's good.

00:49:54.000 But he also didn't write, but he says he delivered it.

00:49:58.000 And he gives other speeches as well that are looking towards a colorblind world.

00:50:05.000 He does, in his Poor People's Campaign, which is his last big campaign before his assassination, a lot of what he says is, you know, saying, there is, you know, we can't prioritize poor black people over poor white people.

00:50:17.000 Poor white people are exploited as well.

00:50:19.000 He does, he rejects quite a few opportunities to be a big racial demagogue like we might see in a lot of societies, a lot of times, a lot of places.

00:50:28.000 All of those are praiseworthy things.

00:50:30.000 I don't think it would be bad to view Martin Luther King as a great figure of the 20th century, even, you know, accounting for the fact that he has a lot of political views we find abhorrent.

00:50:40.000 You know, within the context of that, a lot of countries have really bad racial disasters that boil over into outright civil wars, major bloodshed.

00:50:50.000 And he helps keep that from happening in America, at least for a while.

00:50:55.000 And we have like an explosion of crime, but it's not the same thing as a true uprising.

00:51:00.000 And all of that's praiseworthy.

00:51:02.000 But as you discussed, we don't have Martin Luther King is a great figure of the 20th century.

00:51:09.000 We have Martin Luther King.

00:51:11.000 He is the figure of the 20th century, possibly the greatest American of all time, possibly one of the greatest humans to ever live, possibly a saint, possibly divinely inspired, according to not a lot of people, but like 19 guys or so at a theology conference proposed that he should be in the Bible.

00:51:29.000 And this is the reason why we don't quite know, but the fact is this, is that when he died, he was unpopular, and he has now become supernaturally popular.

00:51:40.000 96% approval, and that's higher than Jesus.

00:51:43.000 More than Jesus Christ.

00:51:43.000 Jesus is 90%.

00:51:45.000 Got to get those poll numbers up, Jesus.

00:51:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:48.000 But I want to just reiterate how this all tied in with civil rights, the implications of the Civil Rights Act, the kind of DEI bureaucracy as we know it today.

00:52:00.000 But we also must acknowledge that he was a very smooth communicator.

00:52:04.000 He had a gift for the spoken word, right?

00:52:07.000 For sure, for sure.

00:52:08.000 And compare it to speeches in America today are so bad.

00:52:12.000 You know, politicians give these canned speeches that are kind of, you know, they're very designed almost to be lowest common denominator.

00:52:20.000 Our debates are kind of wretched to watch other than maybe one or two funny scenes here or there.

00:52:27.000 Kamala Harris comes out and talks to everyone like they're kindergartners.

00:52:30.000 And if you go back and my favorite speech by MLK is actually the one he delivers after Rosa Parks gets arrested.

00:52:37.000 So it's the opening of the Montgomery bus boycott.

00:52:39.000 That's what makes him a national figure.

00:52:41.000 And it's an amazing speech compared to anything you would hear from a public figure today.

00:52:47.000 And it's stuff we would agree with.

00:52:49.000 And I think even King agreed with it strongly at that time.

00:52:51.000 He gets more left-wing over time.

00:52:54.000 In that one, he's saying, if we're wrong, that the segregation is evil, that they can't be arresting us for wanting to have a seat on the bus.

00:53:04.000 If we are wrong, the Supreme Court of the United States is wrong.

00:53:07.000 If we are wrong, the Constitution of the United States is wrong.

00:53:10.000 If we are wrong, God Almighty is wrong.

00:53:12.000 If we are wrong, Jesus of Nazareth was just a utopian dreamer who did not come down from heaven.

00:53:18.000 I might be missing a line or two there, but that's a good sentiment.

00:53:22.000 And he even says, we should be thankful, even as we protest.

00:53:26.000 We are in America.

00:53:27.000 We have the right to protest.

00:53:28.000 This is our constitutional liberty.

00:53:29.000 And we couldn't do this if we were in the Soviet Union.

00:53:32.000 We couldn't do this if we were in a communist country.

00:53:34.000 And he says that in the speech.

00:53:36.000 It's a great speech, and he delivers it amazingly.

00:53:39.000 So he's an enormously talented communicator.

00:53:42.000 Even if he has to steal some of the ideas that he says in this or that speech, he delivers it super well.

00:53:49.000 And like I said before, nonviolent, all of that's very admirable.

00:53:54.000 No, but I want to get into that for a second.

00:53:56.000 So there was, though, an indifference at times to some unacceptable mass rioting and murdering, right?

00:53:56.000 Sure.

00:54:01.000 For sure, for sure.

00:54:02.000 So he gets the civil rights movement sort of gets more violent kind of quickly, actually, in the grand scheme of things.

00:54:10.000 In 64, you have the Civil Rights Act of 64.

00:54:13.000 In 65, you have the Voting Rights Act.

00:54:15.000 But then the second half of the 60s is a lot of really bad rioting, much worse than we had in 2020.

00:54:22.000 The Detroit riots in, I believe, summer of 67.

00:54:26.000 43 people die in that.

00:54:27.000 That's more than died in any of the riots, in actual rioting stuff, as opposed to just murders because it was mayhem and such.

00:54:35.000 But dozens of people die there.

00:54:37.000 Dozens of people die in Newark.

00:54:39.000 You have thousands of buildings getting burned down all over the country.

00:54:44.000 And his reaction to it, I've got it here, just a moment.

00:54:48.000 His reaction to it is sort of, it's interesting.

00:54:51.000 So first of all, spring of 67, a few months before is when he delivers the line, a riot is the language of the unheard, which we heard over and over again in 2020.

00:55:00.000 And then when the Newark riots happened, it goes for like a week.

00:55:04.000 It goes for about a week.

00:55:05.000 And his advisor, the communist guy, who was with the Communist Party USA, he's telling King, you've got to say something to condemn this.

00:55:13.000 And King says he doesn't want to do it because he says, I don't want to deliver a condemnation without also condemning the causes that lead to riots.

00:55:26.000 That sounds like BLM.

00:55:27.000 He can't just denounce I want everyone to understand.

00:55:30.000 Imagine what happened during 2020 with even more murdering.

00:55:33.000 And imagine how, just remember how angry we got when CNN called it mostly peaceful.

00:55:40.000 Exactly.

00:55:41.000 And this is one of the reasons why MLK's numbers went down towards the end of his life.

00:55:44.000 Exactly.

00:55:45.000 And so later that summer in 67, the Detroit Riot, even worse, really bad.

00:55:50.000 And then three weeks after this, he gives a speech at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference annual convention.

00:55:55.000 And he quotes Victor Hugo, the author of Les Miserables, who says, if the soul is left in darkness, sins will be committed.

00:56:02.000 The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.

00:56:07.000 So he sort of absolves these rioters of blame for destroying a huge amount of the city of Detroit.

00:56:14.000 And people dying. 0.90

00:56:15.000 And he says, quote, Negroes have committed crimes, but they are derivative crimes. 1.00

00:56:19.000 They are born of the greater crimes of the white society. 0.99

00:56:23.000 So that's a pretty strong statement.

00:56:25.000 Even if you said this is after the Civil Rights Act, after the Voting Rights Act, after the War on Poverty.

00:56:31.000 And after the Great Society.

00:56:32.000 And he's still saying that.

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00:58:30.000 Blake, I want to riff on this with you.

00:58:32.000 And I wrote this, and you did a good job of editing it, and we went back and forth throughout the weekend, which is the myth of MLK is actually really admirable.

00:58:43.000 This idea that there was a 1960s preacher who was committed to nonviolence and resisted the calls of overly dividing America and wanted a merit-based society was always really appealing and I think is appealing to a lot of people.

00:58:59.000 In addition, Blake, in the 1980s, when Reagan signed in MLK as a national holiday, which was a very big controversy at the time because MLK was not well liked in the 80s, he still had very low approval rating.

00:59:12.000 Is that I think one of the reasons why conservatives were willing to take on the MLK thing is because it allowed this point to be made, which is like, hey, we used to be super racist.

00:59:23.000 We passed these laws.

00:59:25.000 It's now no longer a big deal.

00:59:28.000 So let's move on.

00:59:30.000 I think you're right.

00:59:31.000 I think a lot of conservatives, maybe explicitly, some of them just maybe subconsciously.

00:59:36.000 Yeah, they see this as the final settlement of the turbulence of the 60s and 70s.

00:59:41.000 We can move on now.

00:59:42.000 We don't know what that is.

00:59:42.000 Yeah, it's like the end of the day.

00:59:44.000 Which I like, that totally resonates with me.

00:59:47.000 Like we just say, this guy's awesome.

00:59:49.000 He's a big American hero.

00:59:50.000 Racism's done.

00:59:53.000 And it turns out the other side says, no, no, we're still very interested in the racism.

01:00:00.000 Yeah, that would have worked if Democrats would have been like, you know what?

01:00:03.000 You're right.

01:00:03.000 Let's focus on merit and character.

01:00:05.000 And instead, we're now more racialized.

01:00:08.000 Exactly.

01:00:09.000 And it's sort of the myth, though, is so important to this because what you said at the top of the hour, you know, kindergarten teachers read books about MLK to kids is possibly the first education they get in American history, in American civics, in social studies, as they call it now, is the MLK story.

01:00:29.000 And it's this very simple morality fable. 0.96

01:00:32.000 It's that America was a racist country where white people hated black people. 0.97

01:00:38.000 And then MLK came along and essentially said, what if we don't do that? 0.98

01:00:43.000 And he was so inspiring.

01:00:45.000 And people, you know, his rhetoric was so good.

01:00:48.000 His speaking was so good.

01:00:49.000 His moral example was so powerful that he just inspired the entire country and they followed him and rejected this.

01:00:56.000 And it's not a bad fable, yet at the same time, there's kind of these little time bombs within it.

01:01:05.000 One is just the idea that America was super ultra-racist until this hero MLK comes along.

01:01:10.000 That's part of the whole delegitimization of American history before this.

01:01:14.000 Bingo.

01:01:14.000 Which is false.

01:01:17.000 America was making a lot of progress on race before MLK was a major figure.

01:01:21.000 Brown versus Board is two years before the Montgomery bus boycott.

01:01:24.000 It had majority support from the American public in polling.

01:01:28.000 A lot of states had bans on segregation years before this.

01:01:32.000 This was a movement that had been continuing for decades.

01:01:35.000 And it's hugely demeaning to the country.

01:01:38.000 And it's kind of defamatory towards a large chunk of America to just say this was an irredeemably racist place until MLK redeemed it.

01:01:47.000 That's such a smart point.

01:01:48.000 I love how you simplified it as a fable.

01:01:50.000 And again, it's not completely inaccurate, but the subtext is that what happened before is bad, and welcome to New America. 0.80

01:01:59.000 And New America started with the Civil Rights Act.

01:02:03.000 And if you...

01:02:05.000 Exactly.

01:02:05.000 And it's that MLK is a sacred hero and basically an unallied good.

01:02:12.000 And what's he most linked with?

01:02:13.000 He's linked with Civil Rights Act of 64, Voting Rights Act of 65.

01:02:17.000 Great society.

01:02:17.000 And so these become, if we imagine him as a religious figure, then these are the scriptures that go with him, along with his own speeches and writings.

01:02:24.000 This is his great testament to us.

01:02:27.000 These bills are highlighted in every textbook you'll read.

01:02:30.000 They are, as Chris Caldwell put it, they're like a new American Constitution.

01:02:34.000 Surprise.

01:02:35.000 This is the new rule that you live by.

01:02:38.000 And what this does is it puts these laws beyond question, especially when they have a name like Civil Rights Act of 1964.

01:02:44.000 So it's a name that just invites treating it very sacredly.

01:02:48.000 But these are laws that have ramifications.

01:02:52.000 And as conservatives increasingly realize the ramifications of these laws are very powerful and kind of vary against a lot of things we believe in about the American system.

01:03:03.000 And they're most directly against this colorblind world that conservatives think MLK brought.

01:03:09.000 This is the hardest argument to make.

01:03:11.000 Not hard because it's not true, but there's so many moving parts and you have to have baseline knowledge for this.

01:03:15.000 So we're going to do this in the next segment.

01:03:17.000 Again, I would not have tracked this four or five years ago.

01:03:20.000 I just would.

01:03:20.000 I would have been like lost in the clouds.

01:03:21.000 Like, I don't understand because I would have been, and I'm just being very honest, I would have been a prisoner of my own limiting beliefs.

01:03:27.000 And it took years for me to get to the place where understand that the promise of color blindness is one of the reasons why people would say, yes, I support the Civil Rights Act. 0.96

01:03:37.000 But in reality, the language and the application of the Civil Rights Act is the opposite.

01:03:43.000 It's a color preference act, not a color blindness.

01:03:48.000 And not to mention the whole trans wrinkle here. 1.00

01:03:52.000 One of the reasons why it's so hard to kick men out of female locker rooms is because of the Civil Rights Act. 1.00

01:04:03.000 Traditional media is crumbling. 1.00

01:04:05.000 Why?

01:04:06.000 Because they're hiding something, something big.

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01:05:03.000 So, Blake, let me try to set this up the best I can.

01:05:05.000 In the 1960s, there was a push led by MLK to try to change federal law when it came to discrimination.

01:05:13.000 I don't like racial discrimination.

01:05:14.000 You don't like racial discrimination.

01:05:15.000 The question is: should you build this massive federal leviathan and bureaucracy to come in with force to then shut down private businesses and tell businesses what they can do?

01:05:25.000 Barry Goldwater warned against what will happen if you create this massive bureaucracy.

01:05:30.000 Now, going forward, immediately the effects were not totally felt, right?

01:05:34.000 We had the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and then the Great Society.

01:05:37.000 And now, we can say that despite the good intentions behind all three, and there might have been good intentions or bad intentions, definitely the Great Society has impoverished black America and addicted them to government benefits. 0.87

01:05:48.000 Just so everyone knows at home, when the Great Society was passed, 25% of black babies were born out of wedlock.

01:05:54.000 Now it's well over 75% post the passage of the Great Society Act.

01:05:59.000 Secondly, the Voting Rights Act.

01:06:01.000 The Voting Rights Act, we all support people's right to vote.

01:06:03.000 However, embedded in the Voting Rights Act with this idea of disparate income and disparate impact, I should say, we can't get voter ID in most states where we want it because of the Voting Rights Act.

01:06:14.000 Is that a fact, right, Blake?

01:06:15.000 It's definitely a factor in several states.

01:06:16.000 Yes, and Mark Elias uses the Voting Rights Act as a way to erode election integrity.

01:06:22.000 It's even crazier than that.

01:06:24.000 The Voting Rights Act in about 15 years ago, Eric Holder, Justice Department, there was a town in North Carolina and they adopted nonpartisan elections.

01:06:33.000 You don't have a party linked with your name.

01:06:36.000 And the Justice Department tried to block this, saying, if you do this, blacks won't know who the Democrat is, and black people have the right to know who the Democrat is because Democrats are the party of black people.

01:06:49.000 And they did this using the Voting Rights Act.

01:06:50.000 Yes, it's the Voting Rights Act.

01:06:52.000 Because the Voting Rights Act just lets you swoop in and essentially say you can't do it.

01:06:55.000 Swoop is the perfect term. 1.00

01:06:56.000 And then I want you to riff on this, which is MLK established this, whether wittingly or unwittingly, we don't know.

01:07:02.000 But he definitely had redistributive, you could call them Marxist, race Marxist tendencies and was never satisfied.

01:07:08.000 These beasts, these monster-type government institutions that has kind of, they've kind of flown below the radar up until Obama, Floyd, Ferguson, where now we see it completely unleashed on the American people.

01:07:23.000 So, let's go for some examples.

01:07:25.000 Tesla is sued by the federal government.

01:07:28.000 Why, Blake?

01:07:28.000 Yeah, so Tesla, there's all there's first, there's a bunch of lawsuits against Tesla.

01:07:33.000 You might remember a verdict a year or two ago where they got hit for like $500 million because they had a facility, which I believe was a contractor in the first place.

01:07:43.000 This was not directly managed by Elon Musk or anything, where they had black employees and Hispanic employees.

01:07:50.000 And the Hispanic employees had some sort of like running racial dispute with some of the black employees.

01:07:56.000 There were racial slurs, allegedly.

01:07:58.000 I think a slur was written in an elevator.

01:08:00.000 And so they say, this is a hostile work environment under the Civil Rights Act, millions of dollars.

01:08:06.000 And then after that verdict, now the Biden administration came out about four months ago and sued them, saying you've created a hostile work environment because employees were subject to slurs and stereotyping.

01:08:18.000 They encountered stereotyping, so it violated federal law.

01:08:22.000 There's so many cases like this.

01:08:24.000 In New York City, they're paying out $1.8 billion in settlements to hundreds, maybe thousands, of people who failed.

01:08:34.000 New York used to have this test you had to pass to become a public school teacher.

01:08:37.000 It was just a basic knowledge test, math, history, civics, sort of high school level knowledge.

01:08:42.000 You had to pass this to become a teacher.

01:08:44.000 And the suit was: well, the passage rate on this test is not racially balanced.

01:08:52.000 Some racist Asians and white people pass it at higher rates than Hispanics and black people.

01:08:57.000 If you know, this is supposedly a sinister racist design of the test. 0.87

01:09:01.000 I will be blunt with people.

01:09:03.000 Most tests have outcomes like this.

01:09:04.000 That's just how it is.

01:09:06.000 But they said, well, this has an unequal outcome.

01:09:08.000 So this is a racist test.

01:09:09.000 So you couldn't use it.

01:09:11.000 And now you're required to pay out settlement or damages to all the people who weren't hired as a result of this. 1.00

01:09:16.000 So you have these people who failed this test 10 times because they're morons. 0.96

01:09:21.000 And they're getting paid $2 million settlements because they have to pretend that these people should have been teachers for 20 years, except they were wrongly denied by this racist test. 0.97

01:09:30.000 This is a product of the Civil Rights Act.

01:09:32.000 I want to step back a bit to say why this is the case.

01:09:35.000 Civil Rights Act just says you can't discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion, national origin, a few other categories.

01:09:44.000 And it just says you can't discriminate.

01:09:45.000 And it's kind of vague about it.

01:09:47.000 And what most people thought they were getting was they thought, okay, we have this vestigial Jim Crow that's still going on in Alabama and Mississippi.

01:09:57.000 They're being really, you know, they're not going along with this.

01:10:00.000 We've got to just crack it apart.

01:10:02.000 They thought this was a sharp blow to get rid of Jim Crow in the South.

01:10:07.000 That is not what they got.

01:10:08.000 What they got was very quickly, you know, it creates these organizations people weren't thinking much about, the EEOC, Equal Employment Opportunity Committee.

01:10:16.000 Any employer will tell you is a beast.

01:10:19.000 Because it's now got thousands of people and essentially an unlimited budget to just, it can kind of go and harass whoever they want.

01:10:25.000 There's an academic, I think Gail Harrot is her name, who basically pointed out that the Civil Rights Act makes everything illegal because it says you can't do a thing that is racially discriminatory.

01:10:37.000 Well, how has the government defined it?

01:10:38.000 The EEOC says anything you do that has a racial or sex-based or whatever unequal outcome by group that is not necessary.

01:10:47.000 Outcome.

01:10:48.000 Has an outcome.

01:10:48.000 That is an unequal outcome is not allowed.

01:10:51.000 It doesn't have to be intentional even.

01:10:52.000 If it has this outcome and it's not 100% necessary for this job, then it's illegal.

01:10:59.000 Well, everything produces an unequal outcome.

01:11:02.000 Literally everything.

01:11:03.000 That is called life.

01:11:04.000 People are different.

01:11:06.000 Groups of people are different.

01:11:08.000 So they can argue that anything is not necessary for a job.

01:11:12.000 We have this news story over the weekend that the FAA says, you know, not being mentally ill is not a necessary component to be an air traffic controller.

01:11:19.000 So they can argue anything is unnecessary.

01:11:21.000 So it makes everything illegal.

01:11:23.000 And it just becomes the government can be capricious about this.

01:11:26.000 They can decide, well, Tesla, Elon Musk is doing this kind of shady stuff with free speech.

01:11:31.000 That's kind of a bad look, Mr. Musk. 0.67

01:11:33.000 It sucks if you got investigated. 0.76

01:11:36.000 They do this. 0.71

01:11:37.000 And the way you try to avoid it is you try to keep your head down, not attract attention.

01:11:41.000 So what do we get?

01:11:42.000 We get this massive HR bureaucracy. 0.97

01:11:44.000 This is why we have political correctness in the workplace.

01:11:48.000 It's not that the federal government comes out and says you can never say anything politically incorrect ever.

01:11:54.000 What it is is these companies think we don't want to become the target.

01:11:57.000 Don't let anything bubble up.

01:11:59.000 Don't become an easy, you know, something that sticks out to get hit by the mallet of the federal government.

01:12:05.000 So you get this private enforcement of everything.

01:12:09.000 That is the reality that this act has created.

01:12:11.000 And it's important to emphasize this happened while it's become really oppressive lately.

01:12:16.000 It happens right away.

01:12:17.000 Disparate impact is defined by the EEOC before the Johnson administration is over.

01:12:23.000 It's in place before MLK dies.

01:12:25.000 In 1971, the Supreme Court makes it a part of constitutional law.

01:12:30.000 They say in Griggs versus Duke power, disparate impact is law of the land.

01:12:34.000 And so that's what the Civil Rights Act actually is.

01:12:38.000 It is this law that is in place that says the federal government can have a massive bureaucracy that can go wherever it wants to private spaces.

01:12:46.000 Any school, any business, with some exceptions, like it has to be a certain size.

01:12:50.000 So if you have two people in your company, you're okay.

01:12:52.000 Or your private home.

01:12:53.000 Basically, any company, any school, any local government, you know, the government can kind of come in and they have unlimited budget.

01:13:00.000 They can sue you.

01:13:01.000 Maybe you'll beat it, but it's expensive to fight a lawsuit by the federal government.

01:13:05.000 They don't reimburse your legal fees, maybe unless you get a real declarative test.

01:13:08.000 And people can sue you.

01:13:10.000 There's all this, you know, you can be sued in private court and you get a ton of damages for civil rights verdicts.

01:13:16.000 And so it's created this Leviathan.

01:13:18.000 And when people think of political correctness, when people think of, man, the government just sort of is in everything.

01:13:25.000 It controls everything.

01:13:27.000 It is very heavily these acts.

01:13:30.000 It's Voting Rights Act, which controls how you're allowed to vote.

01:13:33.000 Like just recently, a court says Alabama has to create another black majority district in the state. 0.85

01:13:39.000 Why?

01:13:39.000 Correct.

01:13:40.000 Voting Rights Act.

01:13:41.000 You have to maximize the number of black majority districts in your state or it's racist and it's not allowed.

01:13:46.000 Well, you know, there's a lot of other things you could try to maximize.

01:13:49.000 You could just try to make your districts look really aesthetic.

01:13:52.000 You could try to make them as compact as possible.

01:13:54.000 But they say, no, you have to maximize majority minority districts or minority majority, whatever.

01:14:00.000 You have to maximize these.

01:14:01.000 And you get these weird mutant districts as a result.

01:14:03.000 In Chicago, there's that famous district that looks like a pair of earmuffs.

01:14:07.000 Because Hispanic neighborhood goes along the road for a bit.

01:14:10.000 It's the next Hispanic neighborhood to get a district.

01:14:13.000 And you get these.

01:14:14.000 And it's just all these things that the government does that are bizarre, that are so morally offensive to us, where they're saying you have to do these de facto quotas.

01:14:23.000 You have to do, you know, you're hiring people so clearly on the basis of race.

01:14:29.000 You're giving these benefits based on skin color.

01:14:31.000 All this stuff that's like vilifying, you know, white people in the workplace, the DEI stuff.

01:14:37.000 All of this comes downstream of the world created by this new constitution, as Caldwell calls it, of these civil rights laws in the 60s.

01:14:47.000 I want to emphasize this.

01:14:48.000 So the more you read the literature of the time and the more you see how our current regime honors MLK, the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, you start to realize, huh, we mention, worship, and platform the Civil Rights Act more than the American Constitution.

01:15:07.000 And that's why I think Caldwell had a breakthrough.

01:15:09.000 And you say, huh, MLK certainly gets more love than George Washington or Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin does.

01:15:19.000 And think about how often.

01:15:20.000 That's not insignificant.

01:15:21.000 Think about how often they delegitimize the Constitution by saying, you know, these are these old white men who are slaveholders and they have this or that moral offense.

01:15:29.000 They didn't like Indians, all these bad things.

01:15:32.000 No one ever does that with MLK, even though he has his own moral offenses.

01:15:36.000 I don't think that defines him entirely, but we discussed it in the last five years.

01:15:40.000 We say he has become, and Vince agreed, a pseudo-religious figure, is that there's a sainthood around him.

01:15:50.000 And by the way, you and I both know myths are okay for a society.

01:15:54.000 We'll tolerate myths, but tell us it's a myth.

01:15:57.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 And, you know, another funny thing about it, it's not just the religious thing.

01:16:00.000 It's almost like, you know, we call him, he's Martin Luther King.

01:16:03.000 He's kind of like the king.

01:16:04.000 It's, you know, in Thailand, you can't criticize the king of Thailand. 0.86

01:16:08.000 Even if he's like going around with hookers, which the king of Thailand does, you just can't attack him.

01:16:13.000 He's not allowed. 0.92

01:16:14.000 It's treason there.

01:16:14.000 It's kind of like treason in America to attack our king in America.

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01:17:33.000 We want a meritocracy.

01:17:36.000 We want a society that strives towards excellence, not equity.

01:17:41.000 And yet the present reality, not the ideal, the reality of the Civil Rights Act and how it's being used is making it harder for us to pursue excellence as a society.

01:17:52.000 Exactly.

01:17:53.000 As we described, it's interpreted by the courts, by the bureaucracy, and how they enforce it is actually this thing that says you can't discriminate requires discrimination.

01:18:03.000 You have to discriminate against men, against white people. 0.91

01:18:06.000 You have to give special benefits to these groups to try to create this sort of weird, mutant, idealized everyone has the same outcome society.

01:18:15.000 This is how it takes effect.

01:18:17.000 And this is just destroying so many American institutions.

01:18:21.000 It's screwing up our schools.

01:18:23.000 Yes.

01:18:24.000 It's already screwed up. 0.63

01:18:24.000 Our schools are one of the worst. 0.63

01:18:25.000 It's terrible.

01:18:26.000 Never been worse.

01:18:27.000 Exactly.

01:18:27.000 And it's screwing up.

01:18:28.000 It's screwing up our, like the FAA again, that over the weekend, they're trying to hire people with mental illnesses and intellectual disabilities to these air traffic controller jobs. 0.98

01:18:39.000 That's eventually going to kill people. 0.99

01:18:40.000 I have to cut you off. 0.63

01:18:41.000 So most people would think that colorblindness is in the Civil Rights Act, but it's not.

01:18:46.000 Well, so the literal text implies, it doesn't say colorblind, but it says no.

01:18:50.000 Don't discriminate on race.

01:18:52.000 That's the moral promise that most people would think. 0.78

01:18:55.000 But instead, you get this anti-racist beast.

01:18:59.000 Exactly.

01:18:59.000 And I just want to make sure if you support it, that's okay.

01:19:01.000 We're not criticizing you.

01:19:03.000 We ask you to reconsider the reality of what it actually is, not this abstraction that you've been living under.

01:19:09.000 If you're out of school and you feel weird that you're getting this anti-white propaganda during your student orientation, if you're in a workplace and you're wondering, why am I getting these DEI lectures that are clearly just Democrat Party talking points imposed on me at work?

01:19:25.000 And if I say something about it, I could get fired.

01:19:27.000 That doesn't seem American.

01:19:31.000 It is the product of this.

01:19:33.000 And it's not that you have to totally scuttle the law necessarily.

01:19:37.000 I think we could imagine some sort of reality that maybe a ban on this or that discrimination could work.

01:19:42.000 But you have to be willing to touch these laws.

01:19:45.000 And that's why the MLK myth plays into this.

01:19:48.000 It's that these laws have become untouchable.

01:19:50.000 Like we said, they're a second constitution.

01:19:52.000 They're scripture.

01:19:53.000 They are the holy text of modernity.

01:19:55.000 They're the holy text of modern America.

01:19:57.000 And, you know, you were saying we have a lot of people who are really excited by what we're saying and agree with it, but there's a lot of people questioning this, saying some people just disagree with it, but some people just say technologically it's bad.

01:20:09.000 I'd say that there's a couple dozen people in center-right intelligentsia.

01:20:13.000 And when I press some of them, respectfully, they say, but it's just not popular.

01:20:17.000 And that dog doesn't hunt.

01:20:19.000 Blake, how many unpopular things did we go all in on?

01:20:21.000 Ukraine war, COVID lockdowns, right?

01:20:24.000 The unpopular does nothing for me.

01:20:28.000 And unpopular changes over time.

01:20:30.000 And I live in the unpopular.

01:20:31.000 So don't give me that.

01:20:33.000 And the other thing is just the recognition of, okay, if you want to win an election, why do you want to win?

01:20:38.000 You want to win to do things.

01:20:40.000 And fundamentally, a huge barrier to, as conservatives, us getting the changes we want is that we have this second constitution that we live under.

01:20:50.000 Do you want to have a actual...

01:20:52.000 Do you want to have what the mythical MLK get what promises us?

01:20:55.000 Judge people by the content of their character.

01:20:58.000 I wish mythical MLK was a real.

01:21:00.000 If you want that, you have to be willing to kind of question the mythical MLK.

01:21:04.000 I want to, as we come to completion here, Blake mentioned the most, if you're just one takeaway from this big, big segment we've done, which is you have two constitutions, whether you like it or not.

01:21:13.000 You have the American Constitution and the Civil Rights Constitution.

01:21:17.000 And the Civil Rights Constitution is at odds with so many of the coral eternal promises of the American Constitution.

01:21:23.000 And they're certainly so with the kind of red guard DEI enforcement wing.

01:21:29.000 Now it's completely out of control, completely out of control.

01:21:32.000 And what so many people with good intentions thought they were getting, which is a colorblind, merit-based society, we now have a color-obsessed, merit-de-emphasized society.

01:21:45.000 10 seconds, Blake.

01:21:46.000 If you aren't willing to accept the moral framework that the left has built for America today, they're going to be able to control everything that you think.

01:21:56.000 Bingo.

01:21:57.000 Blake, excellent job.

01:21:58.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:21:59.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:22:01.000 Thanks so much for listening.

01:22:03.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 15, 2024

The Myth of MLK

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