The Charlie Kirk Show - The Myth of "Neutral" Education: My Speech to the TP Academy Educators Summit

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 My remarks at the Turning Point Academy Educator Summit.

00:00:03.000 I also take questions from the audience.

00:00:04.000 What is education and how should we properly understand education?

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00:01:24.000 That's wonderful, Hutz.

00:01:25.000 Great work.

00:01:26.000 And, you know, we've had a very slow summer.

00:01:29.000 Not a lot going on.

00:01:31.000 Just kind of a boring news cycle.

00:01:33.000 And so I don't have as much time as I would like always to check in with some of our projects, given what's happening in a couple months here.

00:01:43.000 But I'm just thrilled to see the progress.

00:01:45.000 Hutz and Jennifer and Francine and the whole team and Scott.

00:01:48.000 Really wonderful.

00:01:49.000 And I want to talk about one thing, and then we'll do questions, which I think is the most fun, right?

00:01:54.000 So, one major thing, which is, I believe, the biggest problem in how parents view education in the country.

00:02:04.000 And this is the fundamental issue.

00:02:06.000 So, I started to realize this as I would travel and talk about education from a political context.

00:02:14.000 Politicians and parents would say all the time, all I want from my local school is a school that will teach reading, writing, and arithmetic.

00:02:25.000 How many times have you guys heard this?

00:02:27.000 That is so wrong.

00:02:29.000 And it is so cringe to hear.

00:02:32.000 For the conservative movement to embrace this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what education is.

00:02:38.000 Now, I want to contextualize this.

00:02:41.000 That is okay to believe if you might live, I don't know, it's a good progress step if you live in California, where, Rob, my pastor does, and some of you do, where they've just passed a law where it is against the law if a kid comes out as transgender to tell the parents. 0.99

00:03:01.000 That is now law in California.

00:03:03.000 Not that you might want to.

00:03:06.000 It is against the law.

00:03:08.000 If you have a 12-year-old in a classroom, and the 12-year-old is a boy and says that he is a girl, it is now against the law for the teacher to call up the parent and say, hey, the 12-year-old is on hormone blockers, taking gender assignment care.

00:03:22.000 That is now law in California.

00:03:24.000 So to move away from that towards reading, writing, arithmetic probably is a good step.

00:03:29.000 But what is education?

00:03:31.000 Education is not just the transference of technical skills.

00:03:37.000 That is easy.

00:03:38.000 You could do that by watching a bunch of YouTube videos.

00:03:41.000 Education should be the development and the nourishing of the soul and the character of a child.

00:03:47.000 And that is completely different than what most people think education is.

00:03:51.000 Secondly, as involved in this, when I hear some conservatives talk about education, they say, I just want a neutral classroom.

00:04:01.000 I want all viewpoints to be heard equally, and I want my kid to be able to choose.

00:04:07.000 What an awful idea! 1.00

00:04:08.000 And so you should ask when someone says something as stupid as that. 1.00

00:04:13.000 So you think that when we're talking about germ theory, we should like have both sides of the argument? 1.00

00:04:19.000 Like, you know, oh yeah, you could do bloodletting, or you could understand that you can have communicable diseases.

00:04:24.000 and bacteria and viral infections.

00:04:25.000 Should we have both sides of the argument when it comes to whether or not the Earth is the center of our galaxy or the Sun is the center of our galaxy?

00:04:33.000 Or how about when it comes to morals, right?

00:04:35.000 When it comes to the moral dimension, should we have both sides of the argument in that case?

00:04:41.000 We have fallen for a 1960s New Left post-modernist liberal lie that most people who are conservatives are actually liberals and they don't know it.

00:04:53.000 Well, not just... yeah, I wouldn't even say that.

00:04:55.000 I'd say that most, honestly, of people that attend our events are liberals when it comes to education.

00:05:01.000 For example, most people who are conservatives when it comes to education, they think the government has a primary role in education.

00:05:08.000 The state does not have a role in educating your child.

00:05:11.000 Period.

00:05:12.000 The state does not have a role.

00:05:15.000 And it is a radical proposition to say that out loud, However, it's how the country was founded and became the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:05:24.000 We did not have a department education when Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Adams learned to speak fluent Hebrew.

00:05:32.000 They were taught by either their parents or by the religious local community institutions that shepherded them through a Christian classical educational model.

00:05:42.000 And so those two things I want to just kind of re-emphasize.

00:05:45.000 When people say, I just want my child to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic, you should then ask them, what happens when they come to a moral fork in the road?

00:05:58.000 Once you give your child over to the government-run school system, which, if you run the math, it's a remarkable amount of time.

00:06:05.000 You're basically telling the state, you are now in charge of my child, I am not.

00:06:10.000 And that is, on average, it could go anywhere between 40 to 60 hours a week that you're basically allowing some stranger to develop and nourish your child.

00:06:22.000 Okay, so that's 40 to 60 hours a week.

00:06:24.000 Let's just take the lower.

00:06:25.000 That's 40 hours a week.

00:06:27.000 that is a hundred and sixty hours a month and schools in session for what seven or eight months a year so you're talking potentially over a thousand hours a year not to mention over eighteen years fifteen to eighteen thousand hours that you are handing your child over to strangers to allow them to develop your child And you say, I only want reading, writing, and rhythmic to be taught.

00:06:55.000 That will never happen, first of all.

00:06:56.000 Because at some point, a child yearns to know what is just.

00:07:01.000 And we don't have to come up with that on our own, okay?

00:07:03.000 Plato and Aristotle told us that.

00:07:05.000 A child will always try to figure out what is justice.

00:07:08.000 It's the most fundamental question a human being has.

00:07:10.000 What is justice?

00:07:11.000 It's a wonky way of saying, what is right and wrong?

00:07:14.000 When should we punish things?

00:07:15.000 When should we reward things?

00:07:17.000 And you're trying to tell me a teacher will not put that forward?

00:07:20.000 Of course they will!

00:07:21.000 For example, is cheating wrong?

00:07:25.000 Of course it is!

00:07:25.000 Yes it is!

00:07:26.000 So when you're teaching, reading, writing arithmetic, and you're cheating on the science test, Doesn't somebody have to make a moral argument?

00:07:33.000 Of course!

00:07:35.000 When you're interrupting a fellow classmate, does the teacher have to make a moral argument?

00:07:39.000 When you're late for class, does the teacher have to make a moral argument?

00:07:42.000 When you don't dress properly with a dress code.

00:07:45.000 Everything, when it comes to education, is moral, not technical.

00:07:49.000 But we have been propagandized to believe that we can hand over our children and they're going to come out just like widgets in an assembly line with a bunch of skills and the same morals that they were raised with ages 0-6.

00:08:01.000 And here is why we're so hesitant, is because we're hesitant to, for whatever reason, I don't quite get it, because I think it's, we're really, we being, you know, freedom-loving conservatives, not you guys in the room, but just generally, we're really afraid of the names they call us.

00:08:18.000 I do this for a living, and I have to tell you that actually is the reason.

00:08:22.000 It's not that they have, like, massive control of the institutions.

00:08:25.000 They kind of do.

00:08:27.000 We outnumber them.

00:08:28.000 We do?

00:08:29.000 We don't do the right thing because we're afraid of being called bad names.

00:08:33.000 Period.

00:08:34.000 And when you get it put that way, you're like, wow, we're losing the country because we're being afraid of being called bad names?

00:08:38.000 Yes.

00:08:39.000 It's that simple.

00:08:41.000 We are afraid to stand up to the government educational leviathan because you don't want to be called a Christian nationalist or whatever nonsense they say.

00:08:48.000 You don't want to be called an outdated, anti-educational person.

00:08:53.000 Then finally, the second part of that is when a child is in a educational environment and you think they're getting a neutral education, there is some standard that they are comparing that to.

00:09:06.000 And so, when you hand a child over to a non-Christian or a secular educational environment, they are not going to be comparing their standard to the perfect laws of God, they're going to be comparing their standard to some sort of ever-moving target of secular nonsense. 0.73

00:09:25.000 And if we are honest with ourselves, the failures we have in the country are downstream of us not prioritizing the education of our children seriously 30 or 40 years ago, handing them over to the state, and acting as if I want them to hear both sides of the debate or the argument.

00:09:42.000 Well, how about you teach them something first?

00:09:45.000 It's hard enough to teach a fourth grader anything.

00:09:49.000 Let alone giving them both sides of the debate, and this is where it really drives them nuts.

00:09:53.000 Not all ideas are created equal.

00:09:57.000 All human beings are created equal, not all ideas are created equal.

00:10:01.000 And they say, how dare you say one idea is better than the other?

00:10:05.000 Which, of course, certain ideas are better than others.

00:10:09.000 The promise of Christianity is a lot better than paganism. 1.00

00:10:14.000 Western civilization is a lot better than Islamic fundamentalism. 0.99

00:10:19.000 And then they call us fascists when you say that, but again, you should reject all those name-calling.

00:10:24.000 But that is at the fundamental core of it, is that the culture that we are destroying, we're committing suicide as a country, it's really sad to see, hopefully we can reverse it, is largely because of our lack of grasping these educational concepts, but we are afraid to lead with what we know to be true, and to say that no, the standard that we want our children to be educated behind, is one that comes from the almighty.

00:10:50.000 It comes from the eternal.

00:10:52.000 It comes from the divine.

00:10:54.000 It doesn't come from a test tube.

00:10:57.000 It doesn't come from experts in some sort of a committee.

00:11:01.000 And the way that we've been propagandized to believe how education works, from how the kids sit in class from what they are taught is a Prussian, John Dewey, modern invention of the administrative state.

00:11:14.000 That we talk about the deep state all the time in politics, that you do not have a deep state if you do not have an educational system that primes people to go work for a deep state.

00:11:24.000 To not be critical thinkers, to not be developed in their soul, to just be widgets in an assembly line, show up, do what you're told, wear the mask, take the sixth vaccine, and keep on repeating that America is systemically racist, and be a good little soldier.

00:11:40.000 The country that embraced liberty, and I'll close with this and we'll do questions, is you cannot have liberty, which is a fundamental core American value, the American trinity, I got this from Dennis Prager, is in God we trust, liberty, and e pluribus unum, All three of which, E Pluribus Unum means, out of many, one.

00:11:56.000 It's a Latin phrase, meaning we are all one species.

00:11:59.000 It is a biblical and Christian idea.

00:12:03.000 You cannot have liberty if you do not have people that are taught in self-government.

00:12:09.000 And this is the tension point.

00:12:11.000 If you want to say, why is the country so divided, is you have tens of millions of people that go to government-run schools, and you act as if liberty can continue.

00:12:19.000 It's not going to happen.

00:12:22.000 Now, you can have moments of revival, and you can release people from the shackles of what they have been raised in, but if you have 18 years of indoctrination that you're up against, where they do not talk about the necessary components of what self-government is, or how to develop a child into a sovereign citizen, or the necessary component of strong families, or any of these things, But of course they're going to turn the administrative state.

00:12:54.000 This is the best way I can put it.

00:12:56.000 Don't be shocked when a bunch of young people become statists or leftists when they were educated in the statist and leftist machine.

00:13:07.000 It shouldn't shock you!

00:13:09.000 Regardless of how many school boards you take over.

00:13:11.000 I love that, by the way.

00:13:13.000 I'm a really big fan of that.

00:13:15.000 Regardless of how many things you do, the system itself, the enterprising value, is corrupt to the core.

00:13:23.000 And I know some of you teach in government-run schools.

00:13:25.000 We need to support you and help you.

00:13:27.000 But you guys know that the incentive structure is about, I'm going to teach, and this is where the left is very, very effective, is that they then say, The Conservatives are super weak, and they're too distracted doing their own thing.

00:13:43.000 And we take away the Ten Commandments from our school system, which, thankfully, Louisiana's putting them back.

00:13:48.000 It's a small step, but it's a good step, and it should be applauded.

00:13:52.000 They say, well, we'll just put in our own Ten Commandments.

00:13:55.000 And remember, by some standard, you will be educating a child by it, because they'll be asking the question, what is justice?

00:14:01.000 And so therefore, a child, when they're eight years old, they get rid of the Ten Commandments, and they'll put in The BLM commandments. 0.72

00:14:10.000 Or how to be an anti-racist.

00:14:13.000 Or the gay pride flag.

00:14:15.000 So you have substitute moral orders that are implemented when we as Christians have abandoned the public square.

00:14:25.000 Now why we abandoned the public square is not that hard to figure out, it's just we stopped caring a long time ago and now we're trying to rebuild institutions like this which is super important.

00:14:38.000 All of you are embarking on what you should embark on is you should be unapologetic in your presentation that you are trying to develop a child in a certain direction.

00:14:52.000 You are not just hoping that you're like, well, let's see how it works out.

00:14:56.000 No, you are aiming towards something.

00:15:00.000 It is not an act of randomness.

00:15:02.000 There is direction to your education.

00:15:05.000 Education literally means in Latin to lead forth.

00:15:08.000 To lead forth towards something.

00:15:11.000 And yet parents believe, like, well, if they end up being a liberal, they're a liberal.

00:15:15.000 If they're a conservative, they're a conservative.

00:15:16.000 Because I don't want to get in the way of, you know, their development.

00:15:21.000 And that viewpoint is so damaging.

00:15:24.000 And as educators, you are trying to mold them into someone who appreciates the good, the true, and the beautiful.

00:15:31.000 Into people that are fully developed citizens.

00:15:34.000 That can critically think and understand the need of self-government.

00:15:38.000 That know the importance of liberty, and want to protect liberty and freedom, and most importantly know that there is a God, they are not God, and that they want to obey God's teaching and to worship God.

00:15:53.000 And that's what you as educators are tasked to do.

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00:17:52.000 Let's do some questions guys.

00:17:53.000 I hope that made sense.

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00:17:55.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:17:56.000 So there's a lot of us that are running for school board, a lot of conservatives.

00:18:00.000 I'm running for school board in a very large Texas district.

00:18:03.000 I was wondering what advice you would give to conservatives who are on school boards and who are running for school boards.

00:18:08.000 It's a great question.

00:18:09.000 I don't want to diminish that.

00:18:09.000 I think it's important.

00:18:10.000 But you're probably going to get nothing done.

00:18:12.000 And I'm just going to be honest.

00:18:13.000 We've been doing this for like 10 years.

00:18:15.000 Does anybody have similar experiences, by the way?

00:18:17.000 Yeah.

00:18:18.000 They will lie.

00:18:19.000 They will steal.

00:18:19.000 They will cheat.

00:18:20.000 They will destroy documents.

00:18:22.000 But you still should do it.

00:18:23.000 And it's important to expose, try to build consensus.

00:18:27.000 What part of Texas are you in?

00:18:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:30.000 That's, uh... It should be conservative, right?

00:18:33.000 But I'm sure it's liberal and it's been infiltrated by a lot of different things.

00:18:36.000 Yeah, look, the best advice I can have is even if you get a majority, this is the best way I could put it, is that you see how Congress is nothing more than an annoyance for the bureaucracies?

00:18:48.000 They don't listen to Congress.

00:18:50.000 Like, the Secret Service does whatever they want, the FBI does whatever they want, the Department of Justice does whatever they want.

00:18:55.000 Like, there's no check and balance anymore, because the form and structure of our government no longer exists.

00:19:01.000 It's one of the reasons why I'm so involved in these next couple months, because I actually want the constitutional form to be reinstituted.

00:19:07.000 School boards are the same way.

00:19:09.000 They don't listen to school boards.

00:19:11.000 They think it's an annoyance.

00:19:12.000 They're like, okay, just give us our money, and they'll do some sob story about, you know, this one kid that can't have lunch if you don't authorize, you know, 500% increase in this thing.

00:19:23.000 But it's still a worthy fight on exposing and launching an effort to do that.

00:19:30.000 But all the energy it takes to retake school boards, I think, is better long-term directed in building our own educational institutions.

00:19:38.000 And I'm not saying it's not important because I'm conflicted.

00:19:43.000 At the same time, there are students in these government-run schools that deserve to be rescued.

00:19:48.000 They deserve to be brought out.

00:19:50.000 That is why I think we need to get more school choice legislation, like we have in Arizona, with our friends at Dream City, to try to get them out, and to try to allow the money to follow the child.

00:20:00.000 But, um, I wish I had better news for you.

00:20:02.000 It's just, it's, I can't tell you how many school board members come up to me, they're like, Charlie, we have a majority on the school board, and no one listens to us.

00:20:08.000 And I was like, well, just close the school.

00:20:11.000 And they're like, well, that's too radical.

00:20:12.000 I go, if you're not willing to close the local school, then you shouldn't be on the school board.

00:20:14.000 Alright, we got a question over here.

00:20:17.000 Yes, we had a great breakout session earlier of school leaders that are trying to do some great work across the nation.

00:20:24.000 One of the things that really stuck with me and what was said over there is that we know that we're one legislation away, one group meeting away, these legislators of things rapidly changing.

00:20:35.000 To be able to get legislature to be on our side, the great idea was brought up about political action committees, putting together a pact that is going to support People that are trying to do things like we are within education and having Christ-centered education with biblical values and beliefs.

00:20:51.000 Is there anything within Turning Point or ideas that you might have on being able to get political action committees together in whatever state might be having school choice so that we have backing in the halls of Congress to be able to do what's right for kids?

00:21:04.000 Yeah, it's a great point.

00:21:07.000 On Turning Point Action, we're temporarily more focused on winning and then we'll focus on, you know, legislation.

00:21:13.000 It's interesting, I would be curious, is anyone here against school choice?

00:21:17.000 I'm sure some people are.

00:21:18.000 Yeah.

00:21:18.000 See, that's about half the hands go up.

00:21:20.000 So it's not a winner like you think it is.

00:21:22.000 Because, and I would imagine, and I'm not, you don't want the government telling you what to teach, right?

00:21:27.000 Right.

00:21:28.000 Yeah.

00:21:29.000 Yes, like Sweden, right?

00:21:31.000 So, it's not even the winner that people think it is.

00:21:34.000 Half this room is against school choice.

00:21:37.000 So, again, in Arizona we love it, because we can tell you none of that stuff happens.

00:21:41.000 We have fully Christian schools, no strings attached.

00:21:43.000 But it's a legitimate concern.

00:21:45.000 And again, I go to Texas grassroots groups, I get heckled when I start advocating for school choice.

00:21:50.000 Like, scream that! 0.70

00:21:52.000 So, yes, that's why we don't get involved in the deepest policy fights, because it's just a great way to divide folks.

00:22:00.000 I happen to believe it's a good idea, especially in states like Arizona and Texas.

00:22:05.000 I don't know the details of the policy of it.

00:22:08.000 But it's a legitimate concern, which is that Are you allowing the government to then come into your homeschooling environment?

00:22:13.000 Potentially.

00:22:14.000 Potentially.

00:22:15.000 So.

00:22:16.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:22:17.000 Right now the homeschoolers are being, like, we're branding with the money from the government, the PEP.

00:22:24.000 It's a lot of confusion.

00:22:25.000 A lot of parents doesn't know that it can be dangerous for the freedom that we have as a homeschool parents.

00:22:31.000 Do you mean federal money or you mean state money?

00:22:34.000 Step up.

00:22:35.000 Step up.

00:22:36.000 State money?

00:22:36.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 Step up money?

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:41.000 Oh, it's a state program here in Florida?

00:22:43.000 Yes.

00:22:44.000 So if you're a homeschooler in Florida, does the Florida government have jurisdiction if you take the money over your curriculum?

00:22:52.000 Uh, it's brand new.

00:22:54.000 It's like last year, the starting, but it's a lot of movement, like parents, like worries about, you know, participate.

00:23:02.000 You have to de-enroll the student as a homeschool.

00:23:05.000 Now it's part of the government.

00:23:07.000 Oh yeah.

00:23:08.000 So look, here's, here's the general rule, which is where I side with the homeschool skeptics because I basically am skeptical of everything that happens right now.

00:23:17.000 Um, cause I just think these people lie to us relentlessly.

00:23:21.000 Again, it's too bad because I used to be idealist and then, you know, that dies quickly.

00:23:26.000 Which is that you do not get government money, it's taxpayer money, but you don't get money from the Treasury typically without strings.

00:23:33.000 It almost never happens.

00:23:36.000 Now in Arizona we still have it, but I mean, look, I understand that it's a financial boost.

00:23:41.000 We're going to homeschool all of our kids.

00:23:43.000 I'm not taking any money from anybody.

00:23:44.000 I'm not, again, we're financially independent, praise God, but I'm not going to register anybody. 1.00

00:23:50.000 Yeah, but public school students get double.

00:23:52.000 even like listen to all the medical stuff, right?

00:23:54.000 Um, because I think they're poisoning our kids.

00:23:56.000 Sorry, like that's my opinion.

00:23:58.000 Um, but yeah, like I just, if you need, what is it, like extra $7,000 a year

00:24:02.000 per student probably? Am I right?

00:24:04.000 $8,000 a year? I was about right.

00:24:06.000 Per student per year?

00:24:08.000 Yeah, but public school students get double?

00:24:11.000 Look, so if you need the $8,000 a year, which is a lot of money, right, to do that,

00:24:16.000 just understand that soon you'll get a knock on the door

00:24:21.000 from the Florida Department of Education and they'll want to see what you're teaching your kid.

00:24:25.000 Thank you.

00:24:26.000 And if you think I'm exaggerating, that is very conceivable.

00:24:31.000 Yes.

00:24:32.000 So I'm a homeschool mom who comes from a medical background, left that background homeschool my kids.

00:24:37.000 I'm in a co-op.

00:24:39.000 But the church that I'm in, I'm finding it's hard to inspire even the people around me in the church, just like you said, to understand that this is truly happening in a small town in Florida.

00:24:50.000 What is the best way to get their attention, to get this out there, to say, this is true, this is happening, to our church?

00:24:58.000 What city?

00:25:00.000 Mount Dora, Florida.

00:25:01.000 I'm about 45 minutes outside of Orlando.

00:25:04.000 Okay, great.

00:25:04.000 First of all, I love it.

00:25:06.000 You're isolating my life's work, which is how do I get good people to care?

00:25:11.000 Yeah, because they think that they do.

00:25:14.000 They think that they understand.

00:25:15.000 They think that they're right.

00:25:16.000 They don't.

00:25:17.000 Again, this is my whole project, right?

00:25:19.000 How do I get good people to care?

00:25:24.000 I could put that on a shirt, right?

00:25:25.000 How do you get good people to care?

00:25:28.000 You dedicate 12 years of your life and keep building and be relentless.

00:25:33.000 At least, let me tell you from the Turning Point USA standpoint, how do I get college kids to care?

00:25:37.000 Because college kids care way more than most Christians, right? 0.99

00:25:39.000 As far as our Turning Point kids do.

00:25:41.000 Like they do.

00:25:42.000 They're on fire.

00:25:42.000 They're organizing.

00:25:44.000 And this is why we're my California friends.

00:25:47.000 My California friends are... There's something different about Californians.

00:25:52.000 It's because they're surrounded.

00:25:53.000 They see it.

00:25:54.000 It's not an abstraction, right?

00:25:56.000 They see that the local July 4th parades are cancelled and they have month-long gay pride parades.

00:26:03.000 They see that there are more gay flags than American flags. 0.76

00:26:08.000 They are the resistance in Nazi-occupied France.

00:26:12.000 There's no persuasion.

00:26:14.000 They see the bombardment every day.

00:26:15.000 45 minutes outside of Orlando, this is West Germany.

00:26:20.000 Times are great.

00:26:22.000 So, how do you get good people to care?

00:26:24.000 I'll let you know when I totally figure it out.

00:26:27.000 Because it's been my life's work, and so I haven't totally figured it out.

00:26:31.000 But I will say this, is that all of you as leaders, challenging the good people to become courageous people is critically important.

00:26:42.000 And this is the overarching thing, is that You can never stop caring, because if you do, then everything falls apart, right?

00:26:51.000 If it goes in kind of gradations, and this is why during COVID, sorry, during the lockdowns, not COVID, very big a distinction.

00:27:00.000 I catch myself.

00:27:02.000 We decided to lock down our society, and we shouldn't have.

00:27:05.000 During the lockdowns, that we saw a lot of people waking up.

00:27:11.000 Wow, I never knew how bad it was.

00:27:12.000 I never knew how bad it could get.

00:27:14.000 And that was just, we all know, that was just a little taste of what they have planned for us, right?

00:27:18.000 But it is, the Bible tells us this repeatedly, which is that human beings do not desire liberty.

00:27:26.000 And that is one of the hardest truths.

00:27:29.000 And again, I got in a debate the other day, people, someone told me, like, yeah, human beings want to be free.

00:27:33.000 I was like, that is the most unbiblical idea I've ever heard.

00:27:37.000 Like, where is that evidence at all?

00:27:39.000 When God delivered his chosen people out of Egypt, into the desert, Took them like two and a half weeks or days to like bring us back to slavery under Hitler, Pharaoh. 0.94

00:27:49.000 And because at least we had meat and onions and leeks and cucumbers.

00:27:55.000 By the way, God blew quail off course and manna from heaven.

00:27:58.000 They needed one for nothing, but they wanted to go back to slavery where they didn't even have a Sabbath for seven days a week because the food was better.

00:28:06.000 That's how a lot of Christians are.

00:28:07.000 So how do you... I'll let you know when I totally figure it out, but... And this is...

00:28:13.000 One of the things that frustrates me the most is how much non-religious secular left people care about taking over the country and how little spirit-filled Christians care about saving the country.

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00:29:29.000 So I'm not directly involved in education.

00:29:35.000 I work as a programmer, background in math and data science.

00:29:40.000 Actually, I'm really passionate about education and this conference has been amazing just kind of seeing the individuals and the organizations who have been Championing restoration of classical Christian education.

00:29:53.000 But that being said, one of the things that I've seen being an issue is the gap, I guess, between industry and academia.

00:30:01.000 I've personally gone through the route of programming and I'm looking at a PhD in math with a focus on financial math because I realized that the industry aspect has a huge component to what we're doing as educators.

00:30:14.000 And I think a lot of the same issues that we see going on in education, obviously, are bleeding into industry.

00:30:20.000 And I'm just curious, your thoughts, I guess, in general, I guess, about kind of, I guess, bridging that gap between the two.

00:30:29.000 And really, the way that I would see it, at least, is like, you can really build a self-sustaining system where, again, you have systems of finance and other support structures that are empowering and enabling more educators Um, but that's all I'll say for now.

00:30:45.000 Yeah, it's a good question.

00:30:47.000 I, um, here's my general view of where education goes.

00:30:50.000 And Hillsdale is America's greatest college.

00:30:51.000 They're wonderful.

00:30:52.000 Is that at Hillsdale, they have the most desired graduates to be hired.

00:30:58.000 But what's remarkable is that they do not really have a computer science department.

00:31:04.000 They don't have the technical side that you think you need to go to college for.

00:31:08.000 They just have really honest, courageous, wise graduates that can figure out skills wherever they go.

00:31:15.000 And that's what education should be, right?

00:31:17.000 The layering of skills on top is what I think postgraduate or even technical training is.

00:31:22.000 That if you have virtuous people that understand what it means to be filled with wisdom and the spirit, you can figure out all that.

00:31:29.000 I think that industry, big business, coming into college has been a very negative thing, largely, because business, they don't care if they're teaching, you know, that men can give birth at Arizona State University.

00:31:44.000 And so they give hundreds of millions of dollars into these schools, and especially higher education, and subsidize the worst aspects of it, as long as they can get 800 data programmers a year, if that makes sense.

00:31:56.000 So yeah, look, it's a very difficult system.

00:31:58.000 And this is the other thing that drives me crazy.

00:32:00.000 The third thing.

00:32:02.000 Again, I could talk about college, which is not what we're talking about today, but it's part of it.

00:32:05.000 When parents say, well, I just want my kid to be able to get a good job.

00:32:08.000 I say, don't you want your kid to be a good person?

00:32:13.000 And they're like, oh, they're already a good person.

00:32:15.000 Wow.

00:32:15.000 That's amazing.

00:32:18.000 And so then I say, well, how do you think they're going to get a good job?

00:32:20.000 Oh, you know, they get a degree at, you know, Colorado University, Boulder.

00:32:24.000 Okay, great.

00:32:25.000 I'm sure there'll be a superstar after that.

00:32:27.000 So, but I ask this question of employers all the time, and we are an employer.

00:32:32.000 Anyone here run a business?

00:32:34.000 Okay.

00:32:35.000 Would you, if you were given two different applications and you were not able to meet them, application A went to the University of Denver, graduated with great marks.

00:32:45.000 Application B did not go to college, but traveled to 50 countries.

00:32:51.000 Which person would you hire?

00:32:53.000 Not even a question.

00:32:55.000 I mean, a person who's traveled the world and seen a lot and understood that you're not the only thing that exists?

00:33:00.000 Or some guy that studied Herbert Marcuse at University of Denver?

00:33:05.000 You post-structuralist nonsense.

00:33:07.000 Yeah, like, pass.

00:33:09.000 I mean, most American kids don't have passports, let alone travel to 50 countries.

00:33:12.000 Anyway, that's not a hypothetical.

00:33:14.000 I say this to parents all the time.

00:33:15.000 I say, instead of going $140,000 in debt, go send your kid, like, you have to go live in other countries.

00:33:23.000 Like, well, that's really dangerous.

00:33:24.000 Like, you think going to a college campus is, like, not?

00:33:28.000 Question over here.

00:33:29.000 Okay, hi.

00:33:31.000 I am the Government Affairs Director for Stop Up for Students.

00:33:33.000 So we administer all the scholarships in the state of Florida.

00:33:36.000 So I'd love to talk to you guys about advocacy and all that stuff afterwards.

00:33:40.000 But up until two years ago, the scholarships were income limited.

00:33:43.000 And then two years ago, Governor DeSantis made them universal.

00:33:46.000 Fast forward to today, all of our opponents are arguing.

00:33:49.000 We're seeing schools closed throughout Florida, Duval down here in South Florida.

00:33:53.000 And now they're saying these scholarship programs are taking money and they are Forcing public schools to close and so I would love to hear your response to that argument.

00:34:02.000 Yeah, I think it's awesome that they're closing These these places have done such damage to our country and if more families are educating their kids and less like LGBT zealots in Miami-Dade County are educating our kids I mean, but here's the thing with Education acts as if that they are resistant to any sort of disruption or change or check and balance, which is they're one of the few things that operate that way.

00:34:31.000 I guarantee you many of you have had to fire employees before, had to downsize during the 2008 financial crisis, or even the last couple of years.

00:34:40.000 That you've had to make adjustments because of supply and demand, because the ever-changing dynamics, yet government education should just be this constant growth towards the oblivion.

00:34:51.000 And, yeah, I mean, I say, if the market is showing that parents can do a better job, again, this whole idea that the state needs a heavy hand in education is flawed from the beginning.

00:35:04.000 One of my passion projects, you know, one day will be, I hope the Department of Education gets closed, or largely closed.

00:35:10.000 It should not exist, right?

00:35:14.000 And who knows how realistic that is, because it's a beast.

00:35:18.000 I don't even think that there should be state-based department educations.

00:35:22.000 Again, but I'm very pro-education.

00:35:24.000 I just want parents to no longer release their responsibility to the state.

00:35:30.000 So, that's my response, is that the fact that inefficient, bloated, corrupt, left-wing government schools are closing, I think it's great news.

00:35:39.000 Thank you, Governor DeSantis, for his leadership on that.

00:35:42.000 I went to God Family Country College, High Point University, which I recommend you come check it out, and instilled in me the passion of teaching.

00:35:49.000 This conference and summit renovated and watered the principle on how happy, how joyful and purposeful can be becoming a teacher.

00:35:56.000 So my question to you is, how come, at least in the past, I hear you say to parents to take their students, their kids, and homeschool them, rather than asking students or purposeful students to become teachers or start a C5 school.

00:36:11.000 That's my question.

00:36:12.000 Yeah, so for students not to become teachers, you mean?

00:36:14.000 I mean, how come you haven't promoted that much more over the radio and just telling parents to... Oh yeah, I mean, because I think parents should be the teachers.

00:36:22.000 So I think we have way too many teachers in this country.

00:36:25.000 I'm sorry, like we do.

00:36:25.000 Thank you.

00:36:26.000 I mean, I think that millions of parents need to become teachers again.

00:36:31.000 So, and also, the idea that most of our conservative kids want to become teachers, I'm glad you want to.

00:36:38.000 I think it's great.

00:36:40.000 Yeah, it's just, it doesn't fit the mold, right?

00:36:43.000 I mean, again, I'm a product of many different things.

00:36:46.000 It's very funny, Hutz will tell you.

00:36:48.000 From 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade, I went to Christian Heritage Academy.

00:36:51.000 Then I went to a government-run school from 6th grade to a senior in high school, right?

00:36:56.000 And only one of my schools claims me as an alumni.

00:36:58.000 Go figure, right?

00:37:00.000 No, it's the craziest thing.

00:37:02.000 If you go to Wheeling High School, I don't know who he is, I don't think he went here as if I'm some sort of, like, school shooter or something, right?

00:37:07.000 No, it's really demented, right?

00:37:09.000 It's, I don't know about him, and he's not around here, and I think he went to Hersey or, you know, Buffalo Grove or something, you know?

00:37:16.000 Like, yeah, he went over to one of those schools.

00:37:19.000 But, all kidding aside, is that I could tell you the damage, the inefficiency, the bloatedness of government-run schools.

00:37:28.000 I've lived it, right?

00:37:30.000 With that being said, of course there are roles for Christian schools of parents that can't do that.

00:37:35.000 My general thesis, though, is that parents have a lot more ability to be heavily involved in their kids' education than they ever give themselves credit for.

00:37:45.000 And this is why I was so enthusiastic for J.D.

00:37:47.000 Vance to become the Vice President for President Trump.

00:37:50.000 He repeatedly would talk about, again, we get in trouble when we say this, but it's important, is that we want to create an economy where the The female does not have to get into the workforce if she doesn't choose. 0.85

00:38:04.000 And, again, if the wife, not the female, you know what I mean, the wife does not have to get into the work environment if she doesn't choose. 0.96

00:38:14.000 If she wants to, that's great, but I think that it has only created more of a push to put children into these systems because in order to pay the bills, you need to, so just to give you some, there's actually a great book by Elizabeth Warren, written in 2004, called The Dual Income Trap, and she wrote about this.

00:38:35.000 It's actually a really good book.

00:38:37.000 I'm not kidding, you should read it.

00:38:38.000 It's really good, where she says America will become a worse country because we're, this is 2004, 20 years ago, because we're trending to a place where we have millions of moms that have to leave the home and go into the workforce.

00:38:52.000 And back then, conservatives were awful.

00:38:55.000 And we're like, oh, so what?

00:38:56.000 Like, they'll find fulfillment at work.

00:38:58.000 Like, what a bunch of lies, right?

00:39:00.000 And so anyway, you'll make homeschooling more popular.

00:39:04.000 You'll make all these systems more attractive if we fix the economic pressures on that.

00:39:10.000 And how do you do that?

00:39:11.000 You stop mass migration.

00:39:13.000 And you stop importing a bunch of foreign goods just so that we can have plastic that we don't need.

00:39:17.000 Those two things will raise American wages and will actually impact education directly.

00:39:22.000 So it kind of all fits.

00:39:24.000 It all fits into a policy agenda.

00:39:26.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:39:28.000 I am a Calvary Chapel person.

00:39:30.000 I'm thankful that my pastors... Which one?

00:39:32.000 Say, Merritt Island.

00:39:34.000 Okay, very good.

00:39:35.000 I'm thankful... Can I move you forward a smidge?

00:39:36.000 Because you're like knocking me over.

00:39:38.000 I'm thankful they always say, don't take my word for it, read and know the Bible for yourself.

00:39:43.000 Not all churches do that.

00:39:45.000 My question for you is, pastors teach believers to trust in man, incidentally by not saying anything, in the medical realm, in the education realm.

00:39:56.000 So, how can Turning Point USA help equip pastors, maybe short videos, to take that, what they're teaching us, not to trust them, and not trust the education process, but look to the word for educating our students at home, as well as, can Turning Point USA help Floridians be informed about voting no on Amendment 4 in November?

00:40:20.000 So, that's For the first part, turning point action can definitely help.

00:40:20.000 Yes.

00:40:25.000 Is amendment 4 the abortion thing?

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 That's probably going to pass, unfortunately, and I have a thought on that.

00:40:31.000 I'll tell you why.

00:40:33.000 It's no limits on abortion, is that right?

00:40:39.000 It's deceptive, yeah.

00:40:41.000 No, I don't want it to pass, to be very clear.

00:40:42.000 I'm like the most pro-life person ever, but I'm also a realist because I look at data for a living, and so I'm going to tell you about something in a second, which is not an uplifting note to end on, but so be it.

00:40:51.000 But yes, we have lots of resources, TPSA Faith.

00:40:54.000 I hope all of you are coming to the Believer's Summit as well.

00:40:57.000 You're going to be blown away by the resources, the videos that we've developed.

00:41:01.000 Let me talk about on the abortion thing.

00:41:03.000 This kind of goes to show that I'm, you know, an abortion absolutist.

00:41:07.000 It's like, I want to see it abolished.

00:41:08.000 You know, I want to see it as a sin and a stain on the country.

00:41:11.000 I wish the country was as pro-life as I was.

00:41:14.000 Again, I don't know about the wording, but when left to an up or down vote, we don't win anywhere with the voters on this issue.

00:41:20.000 We lose in Montana, we lose in Kentucky, we lose in Kansas, we lose in South Dakota.

00:41:24.000 Even the most pro-life states, they want forms of abortion, right? 0.97

00:41:28.000 And so, I wish that wasn't the case, but that kind of goes to show that we have to keep on advocating.

00:41:33.000 We have not won a single abortion referendum in nearly a decade.

00:41:38.000 Yeah, so the country is far more pro-abortion than I'd like.

00:41:41.000 And most Christians, by the way, are pro-abortion. 0.81

00:41:43.000 When we do polling at churches, a vast majority of people that attend church regularly believe That we should not have abortion limitations.

00:41:53.000 That we should have maybe six or eight weeks.

00:41:55.000 That's kind of where they land.

00:41:57.000 That's the vast majority of American Christians.

00:41:59.000 So, in closing everybody, please continue to support Turning Point Academy.

00:42:03.000 It's very important.

00:42:04.000 And remember, there will be a standard by which your children are educated by.

00:42:09.000 Do you want that standard to be the anthem of BLM and the Trans Agenda?

00:42:13.000 Or the Ten Commandments and the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

00:42:16.000 That is your task.

00:42:17.000 Thank you so much.

00:42:19.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:42:20.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:42:22.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 29, 2024

The Myth of "Neutral" Education: My Speech to the TP Academy Educators Summit

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