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00:00:37.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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00:01:33.000And so I don't have as much time as I would like always to check in with some of our projects, given what's happening in a couple months here.
00:01:43.000But I'm just thrilled to see the progress.
00:01:45.000Hutz and Jennifer and Francine and the whole team and Scott.
00:02:06.000So, I started to realize this as I would travel and talk about education from a political context.
00:02:14.000Politicians and parents would say all the time, all I want from my local school is a school that will teach reading, writing, and arithmetic.
00:02:25.000How many times have you guys heard this?
00:02:41.000That is okay to believe if you might live, I don't know, it's a good progress step if you live in California, where, Rob, my pastor does, and some of you do, where they've just passed a law where it is against the law if a kid comes out as transgender to tell the parents.
00:03:08.000If you have a 12-year-old in a classroom, and the 12-year-old is a boy and says that he is a girl, it is now against the law for the teacher to call up the parent and say, hey, the 12-year-old is on hormone blockers, taking gender assignment care.
00:04:25.000Should we have both sides of the argument when it comes to whether or not the Earth is the center of our galaxy or the Sun is the center of our galaxy?
00:04:33.000Or how about when it comes to morals, right?
00:04:35.000When it comes to the moral dimension, should we have both sides of the argument in that case?
00:04:41.000We have fallen for a 1960s New Left post-modernist liberal lie that most people who are conservatives are actually liberals and they don't know it.
00:04:53.000Well, not just... yeah, I wouldn't even say that.
00:04:55.000I'd say that most, honestly, of people that attend our events are liberals when it comes to education.
00:05:01.000For example, most people who are conservatives when it comes to education, they think the government has a primary role in education.
00:05:08.000The state does not have a role in educating your child.
00:05:15.000And it is a radical proposition to say that out loud, However, it's how the country was founded and became the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:05:24.000We did not have a department education when Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Adams learned to speak fluent Hebrew.
00:05:32.000They were taught by either their parents or by the religious local community institutions that shepherded them through a Christian classical educational model.
00:05:42.000And so those two things I want to just kind of re-emphasize.
00:05:45.000When people say, I just want my child to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic, you should then ask them, what happens when they come to a moral fork in the road?
00:05:58.000Once you give your child over to the government-run school system, which, if you run the math, it's a remarkable amount of time.
00:06:05.000You're basically telling the state, you are now in charge of my child, I am not.
00:06:10.000And that is, on average, it could go anywhere between 40 to 60 hours a week that you're basically allowing some stranger to develop and nourish your child.
00:06:22.000Okay, so that's 40 to 60 hours a week.
00:06:27.000that is a hundred and sixty hours a month and schools in session for what seven or eight months a year so you're talking potentially over a thousand hours a year not to mention over eighteen years fifteen to eighteen thousand hours that you are handing your child over to strangers to allow them to develop your child And you say, I only want reading, writing, and rhythmic to be taught.
00:07:26.000So when you're teaching, reading, writing arithmetic, and you're cheating on the science test, Doesn't somebody have to make a moral argument?
00:07:35.000When you're interrupting a fellow classmate, does the teacher have to make a moral argument?
00:07:39.000When you're late for class, does the teacher have to make a moral argument?
00:07:42.000When you don't dress properly with a dress code.
00:07:45.000Everything, when it comes to education, is moral, not technical.
00:07:49.000But we have been propagandized to believe that we can hand over our children and they're going to come out just like widgets in an assembly line with a bunch of skills and the same morals that they were raised with ages 0-6.
00:08:01.000And here is why we're so hesitant, is because we're hesitant to, for whatever reason, I don't quite get it, because I think it's, we're really, we being, you know, freedom-loving conservatives, not you guys in the room, but just generally, we're really afraid of the names they call us.
00:08:18.000I do this for a living, and I have to tell you that actually is the reason.
00:08:22.000It's not that they have, like, massive control of the institutions.
00:08:41.000We are afraid to stand up to the government educational leviathan because you don't want to be called a Christian nationalist or whatever nonsense they say.
00:08:48.000You don't want to be called an outdated, anti-educational person.
00:08:53.000Then finally, the second part of that is when a child is in a educational environment and you think they're getting a neutral education, there is some standard that they are comparing that to.
00:09:06.000And so, when you hand a child over to a non-Christian or a secular educational environment, they are not going to be comparing their standard to the perfect laws of God, they're going to be comparing their standard to some sort of ever-moving target of secular nonsense.
00:09:25.000And if we are honest with ourselves, the failures we have in the country are downstream of us not prioritizing the education of our children seriously 30 or 40 years ago, handing them over to the state, and acting as if I want them to hear both sides of the debate or the argument.
00:09:42.000Well, how about you teach them something first?
00:09:45.000It's hard enough to teach a fourth grader anything.
00:09:49.000Let alone giving them both sides of the debate, and this is where it really drives them nuts.
00:09:57.000All human beings are created equal, not all ideas are created equal.
00:10:01.000And they say, how dare you say one idea is better than the other?
00:10:05.000Which, of course, certain ideas are better than others.
00:10:09.000The promise of Christianity is a lot better than paganism.
00:10:14.000Western civilization is a lot better than Islamic fundamentalism.
00:10:19.000And then they call us fascists when you say that, but again, you should reject all those name-calling.
00:10:24.000But that is at the fundamental core of it, is that the culture that we are destroying, we're committing suicide as a country, it's really sad to see, hopefully we can reverse it, is largely because of our lack of grasping these educational concepts, but we are afraid to lead with what we know to be true, and to say that no, the standard that we want our children to be educated behind, is one that comes from the almighty.
00:10:57.000It doesn't come from experts in some sort of a committee.
00:11:01.000And the way that we've been propagandized to believe how education works, from how the kids sit in class from what they are taught is a Prussian, John Dewey, modern invention of the administrative state.
00:11:14.000That we talk about the deep state all the time in politics, that you do not have a deep state if you do not have an educational system that primes people to go work for a deep state.
00:11:24.000To not be critical thinkers, to not be developed in their soul, to just be widgets in an assembly line, show up, do what you're told, wear the mask, take the sixth vaccine, and keep on repeating that America is systemically racist, and be a good little soldier.
00:11:40.000The country that embraced liberty, and I'll close with this and we'll do questions, is you cannot have liberty, which is a fundamental core American value, the American trinity, I got this from Dennis Prager, is in God we trust, liberty, and e pluribus unum, All three of which, E Pluribus Unum means, out of many, one.
00:11:56.000It's a Latin phrase, meaning we are all one species.
00:12:11.000If you want to say, why is the country so divided, is you have tens of millions of people that go to government-run schools, and you act as if liberty can continue.
00:12:22.000Now, you can have moments of revival, and you can release people from the shackles of what they have been raised in, but if you have 18 years of indoctrination that you're up against, where they do not talk about the necessary components of what self-government is, or how to develop a child into a sovereign citizen, or the necessary component of strong families, or any of these things, But of course they're going to turn the administrative state.
00:13:27.000But you guys know that the incentive structure is about, I'm going to teach, and this is where the left is very, very effective, is that they then say, The Conservatives are super weak, and they're too distracted doing their own thing.
00:13:43.000And we take away the Ten Commandments from our school system, which, thankfully, Louisiana's putting them back.
00:13:48.000It's a small step, but it's a good step, and it should be applauded.
00:13:52.000They say, well, we'll just put in our own Ten Commandments.
00:13:55.000And remember, by some standard, you will be educating a child by it, because they'll be asking the question, what is justice?
00:14:01.000And so therefore, a child, when they're eight years old, they get rid of the Ten Commandments, and they'll put in The BLM commandments.
00:14:15.000So you have substitute moral orders that are implemented when we as Christians have abandoned the public square.
00:14:25.000Now why we abandoned the public square is not that hard to figure out, it's just we stopped caring a long time ago and now we're trying to rebuild institutions like this which is super important.
00:14:38.000All of you are embarking on what you should embark on is you should be unapologetic in your presentation that you are trying to develop a child in a certain direction.
00:14:52.000You are not just hoping that you're like, well, let's see how it works out.
00:15:24.000And as educators, you are trying to mold them into someone who appreciates the good, the true, and the beautiful.
00:15:31.000Into people that are fully developed citizens.
00:15:34.000That can critically think and understand the need of self-government.
00:15:38.000That know the importance of liberty, and want to protect liberty and freedom, and most importantly know that there is a God, they are not God, and that they want to obey God's teaching and to worship God.
00:15:53.000And that's what you as educators are tasked to do.
00:15:58.000Alright, I need to tell you guys about StrongCell.
00:18:30.000That's, uh... It should be conservative, right?
00:18:33.000But I'm sure it's liberal and it's been infiltrated by a lot of different things.
00:18:36.000Yeah, look, the best advice I can have is even if you get a majority, this is the best way I could put it, is that you see how Congress is nothing more than an annoyance for the bureaucracies?
00:18:50.000Like, the Secret Service does whatever they want, the FBI does whatever they want, the Department of Justice does whatever they want.
00:18:55.000Like, there's no check and balance anymore, because the form and structure of our government no longer exists.
00:19:01.000It's one of the reasons why I'm so involved in these next couple months, because I actually want the constitutional form to be reinstituted.
00:19:12.000They're like, okay, just give us our money, and they'll do some sob story about, you know, this one kid that can't have lunch if you don't authorize, you know, 500% increase in this thing.
00:19:23.000But it's still a worthy fight on exposing and launching an effort to do that.
00:19:30.000But all the energy it takes to retake school boards, I think, is better long-term directed in building our own educational institutions.
00:19:38.000And I'm not saying it's not important because I'm conflicted.
00:19:43.000At the same time, there are students in these government-run schools that deserve to be rescued.
00:19:50.000That is why I think we need to get more school choice legislation, like we have in Arizona, with our friends at Dream City, to try to get them out, and to try to allow the money to follow the child.
00:20:00.000But, um, I wish I had better news for you.
00:20:02.000It's just, it's, I can't tell you how many school board members come up to me, they're like, Charlie, we have a majority on the school board, and no one listens to us.
00:20:08.000And I was like, well, just close the school.
00:20:11.000And they're like, well, that's too radical.
00:20:12.000I go, if you're not willing to close the local school, then you shouldn't be on the school board.
00:20:17.000Yes, we had a great breakout session earlier of school leaders that are trying to do some great work across the nation.
00:20:24.000One of the things that really stuck with me and what was said over there is that we know that we're one legislation away, one group meeting away, these legislators of things rapidly changing.
00:20:35.000To be able to get legislature to be on our side, the great idea was brought up about political action committees, putting together a pact that is going to support People that are trying to do things like we are within education and having Christ-centered education with biblical values and beliefs.
00:20:51.000Is there anything within Turning Point or ideas that you might have on being able to get political action committees together in whatever state might be having school choice so that we have backing in the halls of Congress to be able to do what's right for kids?
00:23:08.000So look, here's, here's the general rule, which is where I side with the homeschool skeptics because I basically am skeptical of everything that happens right now.
00:23:17.000Um, cause I just think these people lie to us relentlessly.
00:23:21.000Again, it's too bad because I used to be idealist and then, you know, that dies quickly.
00:23:26.000Which is that you do not get government money, it's taxpayer money, but you don't get money from the Treasury typically without strings.
00:24:39.000But the church that I'm in, I'm finding it's hard to inspire even the people around me in the church, just like you said, to understand that this is truly happening in a small town in Florida.
00:24:50.000What is the best way to get their attention, to get this out there, to say, this is true, this is happening, to our church?
00:27:39.000When God delivered his chosen people out of Egypt, into the desert, Took them like two and a half weeks or days to like bring us back to slavery under Hitler, Pharaoh.
00:27:49.000And because at least we had meat and onions and leeks and cucumbers.
00:27:55.000By the way, God blew quail off course and manna from heaven.
00:27:58.000They needed one for nothing, but they wanted to go back to slavery where they didn't even have a Sabbath for seven days a week because the food was better.
00:28:07.000So how do you... I'll let you know when I totally figure it out, but... And this is...
00:28:13.000One of the things that frustrates me the most is how much non-religious secular left people care about taking over the country and how little spirit-filled Christians care about saving the country.
00:29:29.000So I'm not directly involved in education.
00:29:35.000I work as a programmer, background in math and data science.
00:29:40.000Actually, I'm really passionate about education and this conference has been amazing just kind of seeing the individuals and the organizations who have been Championing restoration of classical Christian education.
00:29:53.000But that being said, one of the things that I've seen being an issue is the gap, I guess, between industry and academia.
00:30:01.000I've personally gone through the route of programming and I'm looking at a PhD in math with a focus on financial math because I realized that the industry aspect has a huge component to what we're doing as educators.
00:30:14.000And I think a lot of the same issues that we see going on in education, obviously, are bleeding into industry.
00:30:20.000And I'm just curious, your thoughts, I guess, in general, I guess, about kind of, I guess, bridging that gap between the two.
00:30:29.000And really, the way that I would see it, at least, is like, you can really build a self-sustaining system where, again, you have systems of finance and other support structures that are empowering and enabling more educators Um, but that's all I'll say for now.
00:30:52.000Is that at Hillsdale, they have the most desired graduates to be hired.
00:30:58.000But what's remarkable is that they do not really have a computer science department.
00:31:04.000They don't have the technical side that you think you need to go to college for.
00:31:08.000They just have really honest, courageous, wise graduates that can figure out skills wherever they go.
00:31:15.000And that's what education should be, right?
00:31:17.000The layering of skills on top is what I think postgraduate or even technical training is.
00:31:22.000That if you have virtuous people that understand what it means to be filled with wisdom and the spirit, you can figure out all that.
00:31:29.000I think that industry, big business, coming into college has been a very negative thing, largely, because business, they don't care if they're teaching, you know, that men can give birth at Arizona State University.
00:31:44.000And so they give hundreds of millions of dollars into these schools, and especially higher education, and subsidize the worst aspects of it, as long as they can get 800 data programmers a year, if that makes sense.
00:31:56.000So yeah, look, it's a very difficult system.
00:31:58.000And this is the other thing that drives me crazy.
00:32:35.000Would you, if you were given two different applications and you were not able to meet them, application A went to the University of Denver, graduated with great marks.
00:32:45.000Application B did not go to college, but traveled to 50 countries.
00:33:31.000I am the Government Affairs Director for Stop Up for Students.
00:33:33.000So we administer all the scholarships in the state of Florida.
00:33:36.000So I'd love to talk to you guys about advocacy and all that stuff afterwards.
00:33:40.000But up until two years ago, the scholarships were income limited.
00:33:43.000And then two years ago, Governor DeSantis made them universal.
00:33:46.000Fast forward to today, all of our opponents are arguing.
00:33:49.000We're seeing schools closed throughout Florida, Duval down here in South Florida.
00:33:53.000And now they're saying these scholarship programs are taking money and they are Forcing public schools to close and so I would love to hear your response to that argument.
00:34:02.000Yeah, I think it's awesome that they're closing These these places have done such damage to our country and if more families are educating their kids and less like LGBT zealots in Miami-Dade County are educating our kids I mean, but here's the thing with Education acts as if that they are resistant to any sort of disruption or change or check and balance, which is they're one of the few things that operate that way.
00:34:31.000I guarantee you many of you have had to fire employees before, had to downsize during the 2008 financial crisis, or even the last couple of years.
00:34:40.000That you've had to make adjustments because of supply and demand, because the ever-changing dynamics, yet government education should just be this constant growth towards the oblivion.
00:34:51.000And, yeah, I mean, I say, if the market is showing that parents can do a better job, again, this whole idea that the state needs a heavy hand in education is flawed from the beginning.
00:35:04.000One of my passion projects, you know, one day will be, I hope the Department of Education gets closed, or largely closed.
00:35:24.000I just want parents to no longer release their responsibility to the state.
00:35:30.000So, that's my response, is that the fact that inefficient, bloated, corrupt, left-wing government schools are closing, I think it's great news.
00:35:39.000Thank you, Governor DeSantis, for his leadership on that.
00:35:42.000I went to God Family Country College, High Point University, which I recommend you come check it out, and instilled in me the passion of teaching.
00:35:49.000This conference and summit renovated and watered the principle on how happy, how joyful and purposeful can be becoming a teacher.
00:35:56.000So my question to you is, how come, at least in the past, I hear you say to parents to take their students, their kids, and homeschool them, rather than asking students or purposeful students to become teachers or start a C5 school.
00:36:12.000Yeah, so for students not to become teachers, you mean?
00:36:14.000I mean, how come you haven't promoted that much more over the radio and just telling parents to... Oh yeah, I mean, because I think parents should be the teachers.
00:36:22.000So I think we have way too many teachers in this country.
00:37:02.000If you go to Wheeling High School, I don't know who he is, I don't think he went here as if I'm some sort of, like, school shooter or something, right?
00:37:30.000With that being said, of course there are roles for Christian schools of parents that can't do that.
00:37:35.000My general thesis, though, is that parents have a lot more ability to be heavily involved in their kids' education than they ever give themselves credit for.
00:37:45.000And this is why I was so enthusiastic for J.D.
00:37:47.000Vance to become the Vice President for President Trump.
00:37:50.000He repeatedly would talk about, again, we get in trouble when we say this, but it's important, is that we want to create an economy where the The female does not have to get into the workforce if she doesn't choose.
00:38:04.000And, again, if the wife, not the female, you know what I mean, the wife does not have to get into the work environment if she doesn't choose.
00:38:14.000If she wants to, that's great, but I think that it has only created more of a push to put children into these systems because in order to pay the bills, you need to, so just to give you some, there's actually a great book by Elizabeth Warren, written in 2004, called The Dual Income Trap, and she wrote about this.
00:38:38.000It's really good, where she says America will become a worse country because we're, this is 2004, 20 years ago, because we're trending to a place where we have millions of moms that have to leave the home and go into the workforce.
00:38:52.000And back then, conservatives were awful.
00:39:45.000My question for you is, pastors teach believers to trust in man, incidentally by not saying anything, in the medical realm, in the education realm.
00:39:56.000So, how can Turning Point USA help equip pastors, maybe short videos, to take that, what they're teaching us, not to trust them, and not trust the education process, but look to the word for educating our students at home, as well as, can Turning Point USA help Floridians be informed about voting no on Amendment 4 in November?
00:40:20.000So, that's For the first part, turning point action can definitely help.
00:40:41.000No, I don't want it to pass, to be very clear.
00:40:42.000I'm like the most pro-life person ever, but I'm also a realist because I look at data for a living, and so I'm going to tell you about something in a second, which is not an uplifting note to end on, but so be it.
00:40:51.000But yes, we have lots of resources, TPSA Faith.
00:40:54.000I hope all of you are coming to the Believer's Summit as well.
00:40:57.000You're going to be blown away by the resources, the videos that we've developed.
00:41:01.000Let me talk about on the abortion thing.
00:41:03.000This kind of goes to show that I'm, you know, an abortion absolutist.
00:41:07.000It's like, I want to see it abolished.
00:41:08.000You know, I want to see it as a sin and a stain on the country.
00:41:11.000I wish the country was as pro-life as I was.
00:41:14.000Again, I don't know about the wording, but when left to an up or down vote, we don't win anywhere with the voters on this issue.
00:41:20.000We lose in Montana, we lose in Kentucky, we lose in Kansas, we lose in South Dakota.
00:41:24.000Even the most pro-life states, they want forms of abortion, right?
00:41:28.000And so, I wish that wasn't the case, but that kind of goes to show that we have to keep on advocating.
00:41:33.000We have not won a single abortion referendum in nearly a decade.
00:41:38.000Yeah, so the country is far more pro-abortion than I'd like.
00:41:41.000And most Christians, by the way, are pro-abortion.
00:41:43.000When we do polling at churches, a vast majority of people that attend church regularly believe That we should not have abortion limitations.
00:41:53.000That we should have maybe six or eight weeks.