The Charlie Kirk Show - The New York Nail Bombs + The FBI's Maricopa Raid

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00:01:09.000 All right, happy Monday.

00:01:10.000 It is March 9th, 2026.

00:01:13.000 Blake, welcome this morning.

00:01:15.000 Howdy.

00:01:17.000 Lots of news this weekend.

00:01:19.000 We are in 10 days of the Iran conflict at what CNBC is describing as the largest oil disruption, energy disruption in history.

00:01:30.000 In history?

00:01:30.000 Is it worse than 1972 or 73?

00:01:34.000 That's what they're calling it.

00:01:36.000 I'm not sure I buy it, but yeah.

00:01:39.000 Biggest oil supply disruption in history.

00:01:41.000 It might be a slight quality.

00:01:43.000 Yeah, I guess most people are too young to remember, including me.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, in the 70s after the Yom Kippur War, a lot of the Middle East did an oil embargo of the West.

00:01:53.000 And it's interesting because sometimes people speculate that's, there's that famous what the heck happened in 1972 or so is that chart where everything starts going bad in the early 70s and one of the arguments is it was the oil embargo.

00:02:08.000 It suddenly made energy more expensive.

00:02:10.000 Well, about 20 of the global supply has been disrupted for about nine, ten days now, more than double the previous record set during the Suez crisis of 1956.

00:02:21.000 So that's per CNBC.

00:02:23.000 There's virtually no spare Spare capacity to address the problem because Saudi Arabia, UAE, are cut off from the global oil market.

00:02:30.000 Anyway, so I listen, I think there is a, apparently, it's not a supply issue.

00:02:35.000 It's just there is a shock to the system, and people don't know how it's going to resolve.

00:02:41.000 So uncertainty drives fear.

00:02:43.000 Oil is back down under $100 a barrel, though.

00:02:45.000 It's off its highs.

00:02:46.000 So I think the market is sort of trying to find where the line really should be.

00:02:53.000 But there's definitely some fear rattling the markets.

00:02:55.000 We can get into that in a little bit.

00:02:57.000 But we want to start with the lead today of New York.

00:03:02.000 In New York, it was a very disruptive, discouraging, dangerous moment that happened where self-radicalized ISIS, they call them protesters, these are terrorists, used explosives called Mother of Satan inside bombs thrown at Gracie Mansion.

00:03:20.000 So Gracie Mansion is, of course, where Mayor Mamdani and his Islamist loving wife live. 0.96

00:03:27.000 And there were anti-Muslim protests saying they didn't want the, they wanted to stop the Islamification, the Muslim takeover of New York City.

00:03:35.000 These two terrorist suspects in the Gracie Square terror incident, Amir Balat, who's 18, and Ibrahim Kayumi, 19, are both U.S. citizens.

00:03:48.000 Balat's parents are Turkish immigrants who were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2017.

00:03:54.000 Kayumi's parents are Afghan immigrants.

00:03:56.000 His mother was naturalized in 2009 and his father in 2004.

00:04:00.000 Yay! 0.99

00:04:01.000 Yay.

00:04:02.000 Isn't it great?

00:04:03.000 Welcomed here.

00:04:04.000 Yay.

00:04:05.000 Yay, immigration.

00:04:06.000 So it underlies a bigger problem, which is, yeah, you can stop third world immigration, but guess what? 1.00

00:04:14.000 Their kids could be radicalized by ISIS videos on the internet.

00:04:17.000 There's going to be people online who are going to point out, like, this is a homegrown, this isn't an immigration problem.

00:04:21.000 It's a homegrown terrorism problem because they're U.S. citizens.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, and that's, I mean, there seems to be indication that these two young terrorists, budding terrorists, were potentially radicalized abroad as well.

00:04:38.000 Trips to Turkey, trips to Saudi Arabia, which another funny instance here, trips to Melbourne, Australia, another known terrorist training ground.

00:04:47.000 Yep.

00:04:48.000 Welcome to the brave new world, where the West has been so Islamified that you can now get radicalized in Melbourne, Australia. 0.86

00:04:54.000 That's actually totally the case.

00:04:56.000 If you talk to people in the Middle East, they'll say a lot of the most radical people are in the West.

00:05:03.000 There are a lot more radical Muslims in London or in Birmingham, I think, than there are in Dubai.

00:05:09.000 Yeah, well, it's interesting because When you put a bunch of Muslims in a Western context, they instantly are infected with leftist ideology, which says that they're part of a systemically oppressive culture, and therefore they end up reacting even more stridently against the West because they just feel different. 0.99

00:05:29.000 They feel like they're oppressed, living in their own skin in the Western context, and then they get radicalized even more so.

00:05:35.000 So, let's go through some of the details here.

00:05:38.000 There's a substance known as TATP, which is enormously quote-unquote volatile.

00:05:44.000 It's extremely powerful substance.

00:05:46.000 It's become the ISIS explosive substance of choice. 0.98

00:05:52.000 Fox News has learned of a disturbing development involving the type of explosive used in the attempted attack and just how dangerous it is.

00:06:00.000 Let's bring in retired NYPD Inspector Paul Morrow, who has more information on this device that was found.

00:06:07.000 So, it was a homemade device, Paul, but not necessarily a cheesy one, in other words.

00:06:16.000 No, not at all, John.

00:06:17.000 And I have to tell you, having done about 15 years' work worth of this kind of work, counter-terrorism work, this is a bit of a game changer.

00:06:25.000 First of all, let me start by saying New York City got extremely lucky yesterday.

00:06:30.000 TATP is enormously volatile, it is not very stable, it's extremely powerful.

00:06:37.000 And those bombs, those IEDs, are filled with nuts and bolts and very destructive elements.

00:06:44.000 And basically, when they go off, they're like dozens and dozens of bullets flying in every direction.

00:06:49.000 This is a protester, a leftist protester, who was there saying, All immigrants are welcome.

00:06:55.000 Everybody's there. 0.98

00:06:57.000 As this Islamist hucks the bomb over his head, 285. 0.97

00:07:02.000 We were born and raised in New York, and we want everyone here to stay in New York. 0.86

00:07:08.000 You don't get to come from outside and then tell everyone else.

00:07:17.000 Just an incredible moment.

00:07:19.000 Is there any...

00:07:20.000 It captures the left, like the alliance of the left really well.

00:07:23.000 You have this middle-aged, you know, kindness is that kindness is everything.

00:07:29.000 I have the sign outside my house, you know, immigrants welcome, lecturing everyone. 1.00

00:07:34.000 And then one of his pet terrorist immigrants jumps over his head and throws this bomb. 1.00

00:07:41.000 And of course, importantly, we should note that he has not learned his lesson at all.

00:07:45.000 A person who seems to be him on X had a tweet.

00:07:50.000 I was in the middle of saying, as a born and raised New Yorker, we welcome everyone into the city when he threw that over my head.

00:07:56.000 And I still stand by it.

00:07:58.000 As a born and raised in New Yorker, everyone is welcome.

00:08:02.000 And then he goes after Jake Lang, who was the gentleman that had organized the counterprotest.

00:08:07.000 Ironically, Lang is being described as a white supremacist, as a bigot, an Islamophobe.

00:08:14.000 And ABC is, this is literal news. 0.65

00:08:18.000 He's the only person you're allowed to attack in all of this.

00:08:21.000 When he didn't try to blow anyone up.

00:08:23.000 They refer to the terrorist as an activist.

00:08:27.000 ABC News, right there.

00:08:29.000 An activist.

00:08:31.000 Meanwhile, they describe Lang as a white supremacist and as a bigot.

00:08:36.000 All right.

00:08:37.000 And then we have to get to this.

00:08:38.000 We have enough time here.

00:08:39.000 Mayor Momdani does the meme at 258.

00:08:43.000 On Saturday, a protest was held outside Gracie Mansion, where I live with my wife Rama.

00:08:50.000 Neither of us were home at the time.

00:08:53.000 This was a vile protest rooted in white supremacy entitled Stop the Islamic Takeover of New York City.

00:09:00.000 I'm the first Muslim mayor of our city.

00:09:03.000 Anti-Muslim bigotry is nothing new to me, nor is it anything new for the one million or so Muslim New Yorkers who know this city as our home.

00:09:12.000 He did the meme.

00:09:14.000 We'll explain that in a second. 0.61

00:09:16.000 But yeah, so some Islamists tried to blow up a bunch of people in New York City, and he starts his speech with white supremacy bad.

00:09:24.000 That's what it's come to.

00:09:25.000 So we got to go through some of these headlines because this is, I think, one of the most symbolically important moments that I've seen recently of the situation that we find ourselves in.

00:09:38.000 Of course, we have a conflict in Iran, but we are getting to the point as a country where you don't have to love what's going on in Iran.

00:09:46.000 You don't have to have supported that effort.

00:09:48.000 We're getting to the point where you can't actually conduct war with a Muslim country because you're going to have too many Islamists in the country that are going to try and bomb you. 1.00

00:10:00.000 It really is. 0.68

00:10:00.000 It is. 0.68

00:10:01.000 And the people are going to cheer them on and make excuses for them.

00:10:05.000 Let's just show the example here.

00:10:06.000 Let's throw it up.

00:10:07.000 It's 259.

00:10:08.000 So this was a local NBC, the NBC New York outlet.

00:10:13.000 Multiple arrests made after suspicious devices found outside Gracie Mansion during anti-Islam rally and counter-protest.

00:10:22.000 So the obvious implication here is that the protesters left these bombs and the violent anti-Islamic demonstrators.

00:10:32.000 Well, and the community note there for the whim.

00:10:34.000 The bombs were thrown at the anti-Muslim protesters, not by the anti-Muslim protesters, as this post and story would lead you to believe.

00:10:42.000 The witnesses say the attacker shouted Alo Akbar as they threw the bombs at the protesters.

00:10:48.000 So thank you, community notes, but it didn't stop the failed fake news media.

00:10:53.000 This is another one, Axios, explosive, 269, explosive device thrown outside New York City Mayor Mamdani's residence.

00:11:01.000 So all the headlines lead you to believe that somebody was coming after the mayor.

00:11:07.000 No, these were Islamists attacking a protest against Islamification of America.

00:11:13.000 So that is our moment.

00:11:14.000 We have to, I mean, we have the meme here.

00:11:17.000 This is the famous Norm McDonald tweet. 0.94

00:11:22.000 What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims.

00:11:31.000 And it was pointed out today, like younger people probably we basically live through this alternate universe where we're told that 9-11 happened and it caused, you know, probably caused a surge of Islamophobia.

00:11:43.000 That's Mamdani.

00:11:44.000 That's what Mamdani always talks about.

00:11:45.000 And it's all completely fascinating.

00:11:47.000 His aunt was scared to say that.

00:11:48.000 It's completely fake.

00:11:49.000 It's all completely fake that what happened immediately is President Bush came out and took pains to say this is not Islam.

00:11:57.000 It's a tiny number of extremist actors.

00:11:59.000 He's the one who popularized the phrase Islam is a religion of peace that people make fun of a lot because it's not really true.

00:12:06.000 And they endlessly push that.

00:12:09.000 And on top of that, they massively increased the Muslim population of the United States by bringing them in as immigrants throughout the entire war on terrorism period, as refugees, as that whole spiel where, you know, they were allies in the Mideast, so we had to bring them here.

00:12:24.000 And we're seeing the outcomes here.

00:12:25.000 Who wants to bet?

00:12:26.000 Those Afghan immigrants who came here about 15 years ago, they were probably here because, oh, they wanted to get out of the Islamic radicalism of Afghanistan. 1.00

00:12:35.000 Their lives were in danger.

00:12:36.000 And they come here and they have a son who's an Islamic radical.

00:12:39.000 That's happened over and over and over again.

00:12:42.000 And it's going to keep happening over and over and over again.

00:12:45.000 Yeah, especially when you have the context, the backdrop.

00:12:50.000 We can't escape it.

00:12:51.000 We're in the 10th day of this conflict in Iran.

00:12:54.000 Emotions are heightened.

00:12:55.000 Tensions are heightened.

00:12:57.000 And there's sleeper cells.

00:12:59.000 And maybe they're not organized, as you might think.

00:13:01.000 Maybe they're not actual Iranian guard sleeper cells that have infiltrated the country.

00:13:07.000 There's probably that too.

00:13:09.000 But these kids were self-radicalized.

00:13:12.000 That's all it takes.

00:13:14.000 It just takes a couple internet videos and an ideology and a feeling that they live in an oppressive system egged on by leftists like the guy who had the bomb chucked over his head that completely vindicates their victimization.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, another way we've become vulnerable, remember, for example, throughout the Biden administration, they repurposed the FBI and DHS to say the chief terror threat is white dudes who go to Latin Mass.

00:13:40.000 And so they wouldn't investigate this sort of thing.

00:13:42.000 Just like they wouldn't want to police the border so anyone could come in over the border with Chinese espionage.

00:13:48.000 They shut down their China espionage probe because too many of the people they were investigating were Chinese.

00:13:53.000 And it felt kind of racist to do that.

00:13:55.000 Felt really awkward.

00:13:56.000 And that's the decision we've made over and over and over again, that we intentionally lobotomized ourselves. 0.99

00:14:03.000 We've intentionally made ourselves stupid to not notice the obvious, to not observe the obvious, to not think the obvious. 0.98

00:14:11.000 And I think a lot of us might think, oh, well, we'll just avoid saying something because it's impolite, but everyone knows it. 0.98

00:14:17.000 But for a lot of people, if you are not saying the obvious thing, they will stop thinking the obvious thing.

00:14:23.000 In this case, the obvious thing being Islam as a religion has way more violent radicals than any other major religion. 1.00

00:14:30.000 And when you welcome them into the West in huge numbers, this results in terrorist attacks that kill a lot of people. 0.99

00:14:38.000 But even if they aren't killing a huge amount, they just totally distort life.

00:14:42.000 Think about all of the public events where you have all of this security theater that you used to not need.

00:14:48.000 Think about all these events where, oh, you have all these bollards and these vehicles everywhere to make sure that some vehicle can't drive in and kill a bunch of people.

00:14:55.000 And then you go to a country that doesn't have this level of migration and they don't have those things because they don't need those things.

00:15:01.000 Well, and that's the sectarian violence that has ravaged the old world has now come to the new world by immigration. 0.99

00:15:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:15:08.000 And it's something we didn't need to do.

00:15:10.000 276, though, this is one of the New York City terrorists' homes in Pennsylvania.

00:15:16.000 It's a $1.8 million five-bedroom, four-bath, 4,700 square foot mansion.

00:15:24.000 It's almost 4,800.

00:15:26.000 And yet, these young men were still so radicalized and so put upon by a protest, which is the most American thing.

00:15:36.000 You may not like what Mr. Lang was doing, the anti-Islam protest in New York City, but that is as American as apple pie.

00:15:46.000 And these foreigners come in and they throw bombs at them. 1.00

00:15:50.000 And guess who the press defends? 0.99

00:15:53.000 The bomb throwers, the Islamists. 1.00

00:15:56.000 And they call Jake Lang a white supremacist and a bigot for doing exactly what the founders intended, which is to peacefully protest. 0.89

00:16:06.000 But the foreigners didn't. 1.00

00:16:08.000 Oh, but I guess they're not foreigners because they have a piece of paper. 1.00

00:16:10.000 The million, the million, two million dollar house says it all: that you can welcome people into your country and basically give them everything, and they will still resent you.

00:16:19.000 They will still hate you.

00:16:20.000 And a lot of people here will be happy to assist them.

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00:17:25.000 Welcome to the show.

00:17:26.000 Gabriel Victel, it's a frontline TPSA photojournalist and Bo Alford, frontline's TPSA reporter.

00:17:34.000 Both of them were in New York City over the weekend.

00:17:37.000 Gentlemen, I'm so glad that you're safe.

00:17:40.000 Gabe, let's start with you.

00:17:42.000 It's your first time, I believe, on the show.

00:17:44.000 Apologies, thank you for having me.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, of course.

00:17:48.000 Thank you for making the time here.

00:17:49.000 Tell us what you saw.

00:17:51.000 How close were you to this incident?

00:17:53.000 And lay out kind of the dynamic between the two sides.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, of course.

00:17:59.000 Well, so both of the sides, you know, the leftist side specifically was already very rowdy and violent prior to the situation with the bomb there.

00:18:10.000 But, you know, Bo and I were right next to each other.

00:18:13.000 And we were, what, I would say a couple yards away, a couple feet away even from the incident happening.

00:18:20.000 Yeah, you can see some of the footage there of them burning flags.

00:18:24.000 They actually beat up another journalist after that flag burning happened.

00:18:30.000 They chased him out, you know, saying that he was a Zionist, yelling at him.

00:18:35.000 They ended up punching him, kicking him down on the ground.

00:18:37.000 Yeah, that's that footage right there.

00:18:40.000 It was a very hostile environment, to say the least.

00:18:44.000 And it seemed like these people wanted nothing but trouble.

00:18:48.000 And that's, you know, what ended up happening later with the Muslim who committed an act of terrorism. 0.97

00:18:55.000 And thank God that that bomb did not go off.

00:18:57.000 Yeah, seriously.

00:18:59.000 Bo, give us your perspective of what happened.

00:19:02.000 And do we know where these people came from?

00:19:04.000 Were they New Yorkers?

00:19:06.000 Did you get that vibe or were they shipped in from somewhere else and they're paid agitators?

00:19:12.000 What could you surmise?

00:19:13.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:15.000 I would start by saying these were not regular everyday protesters.

00:19:19.000 These aren't people that are just coming in and holding signs.

00:19:24.000 This is a lot more violent of a crowd.

00:19:26.000 I actually texted my wife when I got there.

00:19:28.000 I was like, honey, this is a little bit different.

00:19:32.000 There's a lot of aggression.

00:19:33.000 There's a lot of people getting hurt, attacked, and just, you know, say a prayer for me.

00:19:39.000 I do believe that the Antifa crowd did play a part in fueling this attack.

00:19:47.000 They were just attacking anyone that they disagreed with.

00:19:50.000 It was only God's grace that got us out untouched.

00:19:55.000 Thankfully, we were not recognized, or we probably would have been one of the people getting attacked as well.

00:20:01.000 But yeah, when the bombing happened, we were or the attempted bombing happened.

00:20:06.000 We were probably 50, 20 to 30 feet away.

00:20:11.000 And I was actually posting another video because we're getting everything in real time.

00:20:16.000 And I just hear everyone screaming bomb and they're running away.

00:20:20.000 And then I see the brave NYPD actually going into the scene and thankfully taking the man down.

00:20:27.000 Jeez.

00:20:28.000 So, so there was anti-Muslim protesters on one side, and then there were, I guess, pro Muslim protesters.

00:20:38.000 I mean, did it seem like the pro-Muslim or the counter-protesters, however you want to describe them, were they, was it mostly Muslims, or was it mostly sort of just like kind of leftist Antifa types?

00:20:52.000 It was definitely like the Antifa types.

00:20:54.000 It was definitely some white New Yorkers, I would probably say.

00:20:59.000 A lot of that, you know, New Yorkers are very, they go hard in the paint.

00:21:03.000 A lot of them are very aggressive when it comes to, you know, their beliefs.

00:21:08.000 And it seemed like, you know, and Bo, correct me if I'm wrong, but this was on par with Minneapolis Antifa when we really went in there and we saw, I mean, right as we got out of our Uber to show up to this event, there was a kid with a freedom shirt getting berated.

00:21:25.000 And it was, it was instant.

00:21:26.000 Like right as we showed up, we saw some kid get chased out and I it just gave me flashbacks in Minneapolis.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.79

00:21:35.000 These were white leftists that were coming here to kill Jake Ling. 0.94

00:21:42.000 And I'm not exaggerating when I say that. 0.98

00:21:45.000 You could hear multiple of the members saying, kill Jake Ling.

00:21:50.000 They were doing everything they could to get to him.

00:21:53.000 They were trying to cross the barricades.

00:21:56.000 When he ran away from the attempted bombing, the leftists then went to the other side to try and cut him off. 0.97

00:22:04.000 They were doing everything in their power to kill him.

00:22:08.000 What kind of role were police playing through all of this?

00:22:11.000 Do you think they were mostly being helpful, preventing violence?

00:22:16.000 Were they sort of useless?

00:22:18.000 Give us a sense of how NYPD was behaving throughout this.

00:22:22.000 The police were actually very helpful.

00:22:24.000 I do have to say.

00:22:25.000 They, as soon as something went down, if you saw someone getting attacked, they stepped in and they tried to stop it.

00:22:34.000 They were actually getting very angry at multiple times and were chasing people down, using profanities and, you know, trying to get them arrested.

00:22:43.000 So they were very helpful.

00:22:45.000 Only thing I would say is they were a little bit too far away at times.

00:22:48.000 Took them a little bit too long to get to the scene.

00:22:51.000 But at the end of the day, I understand it.

00:22:53.000 You have to let the two sides demonstrate.

00:22:56.000 And you can't help that some of the leftist members are as aggressive as they were.

00:23:03.000 Yeah, this is probably the most helpful NYPD has ever been while we've been in New York.

00:23:08.000 We've gone to a lot calmer protests in New York, and they always are on the side of the liberals, it seems.

00:23:15.000 But, you know, on that day, they were 100% trying to keep law and order.

00:23:22.000 And, you know, a lot of those police officers are absolute patriots for what they did on that day.

00:23:28.000 Yeah, well, we're just like you said, Gabe, we're just lucky that those bombs didn't detonate.

00:23:34.000 I mean, because that could have killed a lot of people.

00:23:36.000 I mean, another question I have, though, is how old were the age of the protests?

00:23:41.000 Was it all over?

00:23:42.000 Was it skewing younger, skewing older?

00:23:45.000 Definitely younger, definitely on the younger side for this one.

00:23:48.000 I know that some of them have, some of them were probably in their like later 20s, but a lot of them seem to be around that, you know, teenage to mid-20s range, about the age of Bow and I.

00:24:02.000 So any idea how they organized?

00:24:03.000 You're just assuming this is Antifa networks?

00:24:06.000 Yeah, I would say Antifa networks, and I would also probably say Reddit.

00:24:11.000 I don't have anything to verify that information, but I do see leftists gathering on Reddit in threads and in communities.

00:24:20.000 That would be, if I were a guessing man, that would be what I would say.

00:24:25.000 I don't know if you have, Gabe, if you're going to chime in.

00:24:28.000 I have a question, though, about Jake Lang and the sort of the protesters on that side.

00:24:36.000 What were they doing?

00:24:37.000 What were they saying?

00:24:38.000 Were they instigating as well?

00:24:39.000 Or were they just kind of, I mean, as far as I could tell, they were just in front of the Gracie Mansion saying, stop the Islamification of New York.

00:24:47.000 Did they instigate anything?

00:24:49.000 Definitely not at the event where Antifa showed up.

00:24:53.000 I mean, there were times, do not get me wrong, you could say you're instigating when you're using a goat like he did the night before.

00:25:02.000 That I would say is instigation.

00:25:04.000 But during this event, no, I think that they were being very peaceful.

00:25:08.000 And the people that were supporting Jake Lang, all they were doing was saying freedom and just supporting American values.

00:25:18.000 What happened with a goat the night before?

00:25:21.000 If you can use PG language just in case.

00:25:24.000 Yeah, he was pretending to have relations with a goat the night before.

00:25:33.000 He pulled up in a U-Haul, opened the door.

00:25:36.000 You know, he had an American flag and he was basically mocking the Muslims, which, you know, some may say it's funny, some may say it's crude.

00:25:47.000 But that seems to be a lot of the stuff that the leftists the next day at the protests where the attempted bombing occurred, they were actually yelling at, you know, they were calling him names that I probably shouldn't say on the show.

00:26:02.000 Got it.

00:26:03.000 So you think the incident the night before could have been what maybe triggered some of the backlash?

00:26:11.000 Do we know if that's where these young—I mean, it's crazy how young the would-be terrorists are.

00:26:18.000 I guess they are terrorists.

00:26:19.000 They tried.

00:26:20.000 They're like 18 and 20, I believe, or 18 and 19.

00:26:25.000 Both have parents that were naturalized from Middle Eastern countries, Afghanistan and Turkey.

00:26:30.000 Is there any indication, did you see those suspects around before they threw the IEDs or did they just kind of came out of nowhere?

00:26:39.000 Yeah, not that we recognized, at least.

00:26:42.000 Yeah, that's actually a really good point.

00:26:44.000 They were not someone that I recognized unless they were wearing masks before.

00:26:50.000 They appeared to be individuals that came later in the protest, probably for that specific reason.

00:26:57.000 Well, gentlemen, I'm just glad you're safe.

00:27:02.000 That could have been really bad.

00:27:03.000 I mean, we always are praying for you guys, our TPSA frontlines team.

00:27:08.000 And, you know, it just, thank God that those bombs didn't detonate.

00:27:14.000 That's all I can say.

00:27:15.000 Thank you for your first hound account, gentlemen.

00:27:17.000 Brave, brave guys here that are doing the Lord's work capturing these protests and counter protests live on the street.

00:27:25.000 So thank you guys.

00:27:26.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:27:28.000 Thank you guys.

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00:28:47.000 Got to get to this, got to get two stories here in this segment.

00:28:52.000 One is another Arizona story.

00:28:55.000 It looks like our wonderful governor here in the state of Arizona has vetoed a bill that would have added a Turning Point USA license plate to a list of about 100 other license plates that Arizona drivers could opt into willingly.

00:29:14.000 Okay, so the way it works is they're specialty license plates.

00:29:17.000 You opt in to pay an additional $17, and then you get a special license plate that pays homage to the, in this case, yes, Charlie and Turning Point there for Charlie, it says.

00:29:30.000 And it's got the Turning Point logo and a picture of Charlie, actually, with this picture right behind us with his hand and fist raised the air.

00:29:39.000 And so Governor Hobbs decided not to allow this license plate.

00:29:45.000 Again, that would have been added to about 100 other causes that Arizona drivers could support.

00:29:50.000 Yeah, there's a Choose Life license plate.

00:29:53.000 There's Firefighter license plate.

00:29:55.000 There's a Fiesta license plate.

00:29:57.000 There's a God Bless America one.

00:29:58.000 That's actually what I have.

00:30:00.000 There's an Alice Cooper one.

00:30:02.000 There's a Route 66 one.

00:30:03.000 There's a lot.

00:30:04.000 And by the way, so when you do this, it's a voluntary.

00:30:08.000 This is not like taxpayer dollars are getting siphoned off the general fund and sent to Turning Point.

00:30:13.000 It's a voluntary $17 contribution that would go to Turning Point.

00:30:18.000 Just like when you do the other ones, there's a small fee that gets sent to whatever cause you're celebrating.

00:30:27.000 But instead of allowing Turning Point to be one of those 100-plus groups that you could do that in the state of Arizona for an organization that's based here in Arizona, Charlie decided to make Arizona his home.

00:30:40.000 He worked his butt off for this state.

00:30:42.000 Loved this state.

00:30:43.000 Every time we'd come back to Arizona, Charlie would be like, oh, I love coming back.

00:30:46.000 I love coming home.

00:30:48.000 And this was his home.

00:30:49.000 And this is where Erica's home is.

00:30:50.000 Governor Hobbs vetoed it because she said in America, we resolve our political differences at the ballot box.

00:30:58.000 No matter who it targets, political violence puts us all in harm's way and damages our sacred democratic institutions.

00:31:04.000 I will continue working towards solutions that bring people together.

00:31:07.000 But this bill falls short of that standard by inserting politics into a function of government that should remain non-partisan.

00:31:16.000 Okay, sure.

00:31:18.000 I find this obviously highly offensive that a son of Arizona, yeah, he came from Chicago, but this was the home he chose.

00:31:28.000 A son of Arizona who was murdered in cold blood, taken down by political violence, an assassination, the most public and tragic in a generation or more.

00:31:41.000 And she has the gall to stop the legislature, stop the people of Arizona from honoring him and his legacy.

00:31:49.000 Shame on you, Governor Hobbs.

00:31:50.000 I can't wait till Andy Biggs is our governor and we get to do it.

00:31:54.000 I mean, it's just truly grotesque because if they had passed one to honor, like you know, if there was some odious, like, borderline criminal person who got killed in Arizona and became a left-wing cause celeb and they passed that license plate, she would sign it in a heartbeat.

00:32:09.000 She would absolutely do it.

00:32:10.000 But because we had a person on the right who was grotesquely murdered by someone on the left for his advocacy, and someone just wanted to make a license plate that you could voluntarily pay for the right to use, and she vetoes it.

00:32:25.000 And the obvious answer is because she despises Charlie, and deep down, I suspect she's kind of glad he got shot.

00:32:32.000 It's dark stuff.

00:32:33.000 A lot of them are.

00:32:34.000 And so, of course, she was going to veto it.

00:32:34.000 Yeah.

00:32:36.000 We shouldn't be surprised at all because that's the type of person.

00:32:38.000 Yeah, can you imagine if George Floyd was an Arizona?

00:32:41.000 That's what it is.

00:32:41.000 Exactly.

00:32:42.000 George Floyd would have got a license plate in the state.

00:32:44.000 Hobbs would have signed that.

00:32:46.000 And I think you're right.

00:32:47.000 I think deep down she despises Charlie and she may very well be happy that what happened.

00:32:52.000 I mean, I don't put anything past these degenerate people.

00:32:55.000 It's just, it's inexcusably cruel to veto that bill.

00:33:01.000 So shame on you, Governor Hobbs. 0.98

00:33:03.000 And yeah, just disgusting. 0.82

00:33:06.000 But let's get to James Tallrico. 0.81

00:33:08.000 Alrighty.

00:33:08.000 So we have, this is not even so much about James Tallarico.

00:33:12.000 It's an opportunity to beat up on David French.

00:33:14.000 By the way, that's Blake's favorite pastime.

00:33:17.000 Yes, indeed.

00:33:18.000 So I believe Charlie only met David French once and it was pretty respectful.

00:33:23.000 Exquisite, I think.

00:33:24.000 NRB.

00:33:24.000 So a National Religious Broadcasters event.

00:33:27.000 We were on the expo floor just walking the floor.

00:33:30.000 And there comes David French.

00:33:32.000 And it was respectful.

00:33:33.000 It was.

00:33:34.000 And then I talked to David French after for a little while.

00:33:37.000 He's a very effeminate man in person.

00:33:38.000 I believe it.

00:33:39.000 But he has this appalling bit that he ran over the weekend.

00:33:43.000 He's now a New York Times opinion columnist, which is fulfilling his dreams.

00:33:46.000 And it was titled James Tylarico is a Christian X-ray. 0.79

00:33:50.000 And unfortunately, I can't.

00:33:51.000 I'm not a New York Times subscriber, and I can't get the whole article to load right now in my paywall bypasser.

00:33:56.000 But it was basically that James Tallarico is one of the few openly Christian politicians in the United States who acts like a Christian.

00:34:06.000 And by acting like a Christian, he reveals a profound contrast with so many members of the MAGA Christian movement that has dominated political life for 10 years. 0.78

00:34:14.000 And he goes off on a bit where he does this whole thing on, okay, you know, there's Christian orthodoxy, which is, you know, right, right beliefs, but we don't put enough emphasis on, I believe he called it orthocardia.

00:34:25.000 I don't even know if that's a real word, but it basically means right heart.

00:34:29.000 And so he says that James Tallarico has the right heart, that he has, he has the fruits of the spirit, actually, is what he says.

00:34:35.000 That you see Tallarico and he's so obviously kind and loving and Christian.

00:34:40.000 And he basically just, I don't think he literally says it, but the clear message is James Tallarico is the best Christian in American politics right now.

00:34:48.000 And that's really galling to me because, okay, if he was just a left-wing social Democrat, like if he said, oh, I disagree with my party on a lot of things, but like I have to be on the left for, you know, you've seen the reasons, I would be extremely disappointed, but I'd vaguely get it.

00:35:04.000 But there's something really unsettling with Tallarico.

00:35:06.000 Tallarico is a true left-wing zealot.

00:35:09.000 And the fact that he dresses up, dresses it up in Christianity is what makes him more sinister, not less sinister, that he goes to the Bible and says, actually, the Bible, the text of the Bible says that we need abortion and we can't restrict it. 0.59

00:35:23.000 The text of the Bible is why I believe it's good for us to mutilate children because of some fad. 1.00

00:35:30.000 The text of the Bible is why I think, I believe, what did he say? 1.00

00:35:33.000 White people are a virus. 1.00

00:35:34.000 No, we carry a virus, that the white race as a caste carries this virus that they infect the world with. 1.00

00:35:41.000 Here's a new little James Tallrico video that Brandon Gill unearthed. 0.86

00:35:45.000 295.

00:35:46.000 Something that you love that's not family or friends.

00:35:52.000 I love, I'm just saying this because it's on my mind.

00:35:55.000 The trans children who showed up yesterday at the state capitol to advocate for their humanity.

00:36:02.000 They shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch.

00:36:06.000 Who do you love that's not your friends or family?

00:36:08.000 Trans children. 0.79

00:36:08.000 And we love trans children. 0.79

00:36:09.000 That's why we don't want them to be literally irreversibly messed up.

00:36:14.000 That's not what he said.

00:36:14.000 And yeah, that's definitely not what he's saying.

00:36:16.000 And it says a lot that there's a type of Christian out there, David French, who thinks that that's the most Christian guy we have in politics right now.

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00:37:25.000 And welcoming back to the show.

00:37:26.000 It's been a while.

00:37:27.000 I think the last time he was on was with Charlie is Robert Barnes, BarnesLawLLP.com and co-host of Viva and Barnes.

00:37:35.000 He also does, I believe, a show with Rich Barris, another good friend of the show.

00:37:42.000 Robert, welcome back.

00:37:43.000 Yeah, glad to be here.

00:37:45.000 Great to see you.

00:37:47.000 You have emerged as a very strident voice online, political commentator that is not in favor of the strikes that are happening in Iran.

00:38:00.000 Why don't you give us your perspective?

00:38:02.000 Because you are a MAGA guy in a lot of ways.

00:38:06.000 You have been part of this coalition, a big supporter of the president's, but you are not in support of this war.

00:38:10.000 It's important that we hear this side of the argument.

00:38:14.000 What is your perspective on it and why are you against it?

00:38:17.000 So I see it as a threefold approach.

00:38:19.000 One is the domestic political risk that it poses to the Trump 2024 coalition going forward in terms of political capital to get things done on the Hill, but also in terms of the midterms and ultimately 2028.

00:38:33.000 The second area of concern is geopolitical.

00:38:35.000 In other words, how likely are we able to achieve an objective that would be favorable to American interest and would be perceived as favorable to American interest going forward?

00:38:46.000 And then third is whether or not this is a use of our military that is constitutional, that is clearly legal and lawful, and that won't put our men and women at undue risk of harm for an unachievable objective.

00:39:04.000 So from the domestic political side, I just think it fractures the Trump 2024 base.

00:39:10.000 It shrinks MAGA.

00:39:11.000 More and more people are not identifying as MAGA.

00:39:14.000 That's why you can get, I think Richard Barris calls People's Pundit, calls it purification through subtraction.

00:39:20.000 So Trump may look at it and say, oh, I have 90% support, but it's of a shrinking base.

00:39:25.000 That's not a good situation to be in politically in terms of domestic political capital to get things done on the hill, but also in terms of the midterms.

00:39:33.000 And there was a big part of his base that was anti-war.

00:39:36.000 There was another part of his base that's libertarian, that leans non-intervention.

00:39:40.000 Since 2015, he's campaigned very effectively as the peace president, the anti-war candidate.

00:39:46.000 This undermines and sabotages that entire public perception and thereby impairs his coalition from an electoral perspective and political capital.

00:39:55.000 In other words, the degree to which he is seen as unpopular on the Hill limits his ability to get things done legislatively.

00:40:02.000 But then you go to the geopolitics of it, and it's for all the reasons and the military side of it that Charlie identified last year, that you dig into this.

00:40:11.000 It's unlikely that we could attain a peaceful, free Iranian society and government through bombing them into such an agreement. 1.00

00:40:22.000 And so, as he pointed out, that the Shia are built on a culture of suffering. 1.00

00:40:28.000 Charlie was very good at developing strategic empathy.

00:40:32.000 And people sometimes confuse that with sympathy.

00:40:34.000 You don't sympathize with the Iranian regime.

00:40:37.000 You can strategically empathize with it so that you understand it.

00:40:41.000 And if you understand the culture and the people and the people in power, but also the people that could contest or challenge that power, then you have a sense of how probable or likely a sequence of events are using military or martial means.

00:40:54.000 And what Charlie identified is that they have the means to militarily resist in ways that we cannot completely suppress, that they're unlikely to change their regime because the part of the Shia Islam, I mean, Charlie loved to study religions around the world and understand what motivated people around the world. 0.97

00:41:11.000 But the Shia Islam religion is built on martyrdom.

00:41:14.000 It's built on suffering.

00:41:15.000 It's built on sacrifice.

00:41:16.000 That's why the Ayatollah was happy to be martyred at the beginning of this conflict. 0.97

00:41:21.000 And he's now been replaced by his son, his son who is more.

00:41:25.000 This is one of the points Charlie made, that you got to look at who is likely to replace the existing regime.

00:41:30.000 And there you look at who is likely to replace him.

00:41:32.000 Well, it's more hardliners, people that are more likely to acquire nuclear weapons rather than less.

00:41:38.000 More likely to be anti-U.S. and anti-Israel than less. 0.97

00:41:41.000 The new Ayatollah, new Ayatollah just had the Americans and the Israelis kill his father, kill his mother, kill his wife, kill his son, and kill his niece, one-year-old niece. 0.94

00:41:54.000 So what's the likelihood he's going to be really pro-American? 0.97

00:41:58.000 Unlikely.

00:41:58.000 He's known as more of a hardliner, et cetera.

00:42:01.000 So then you have the, so that's, you know, scenario number one is that it's unlikely to achieve a peaceful, free, democratic, pro-Israel, pro-U.S. regime.

00:42:10.000 So why are we risking American resources?

00:42:12.000 Why are we risking American men and women? 0.66

00:42:14.000 Why are we risking Trump's domestic political coalition and his political capital?

00:42:18.000 Yeah, and I guess I feel like there's a lot of disagreement over how much, how much it is splitting the coalition, because you can produce polls that say support for the war among GOP voters is very high.

00:42:29.000 I've seen those.

00:42:30.000 But I think a thing people are missing is that this matters the most with that sort of that marginal, maybe that last 10% of the Trump coalition that got him to where he was, yeah, where he was winning all the swing states, where he was winning the popular vote.

00:42:44.000 It was the people where that, oh, peace president, no new war, that stuff appealed to them a lot more.

00:42:50.000 And I think that a lot of when people disagree with this, they're missing that that's the group that, and they're also the most marginal.

00:42:57.000 They were least likely to respond to polls.

00:42:59.000 And they're more detached.

00:43:00.000 They maybe weren't voting in other elections.

00:43:02.000 And young people.

00:43:04.000 So Robert, you and I talked on the phone, and we had these students from Rutgers and Appalachian State.

00:43:13.000 And we asked them, what do young Trump voters think of this?

00:43:17.000 And here were their answers: 306.

00:43:20.000 Copy.

00:43:20.000 So are you seeing protests?

00:43:22.000 Are you seeing people gathering in the square and the quad?

00:43:26.000 What kind of activities are you seeing this manifest in?

00:43:31.000 I'm mostly seeing things through online platforms, people on Instagram or Twitter just, you know, really going in at President Trump and being upset that gas prices might go up and forever war.

00:43:48.000 Like people really, really do not want boots on the ground in this circumstance.

00:43:52.000 Are you seeing that even from people that you know voted for Trump in 2024, or is it more, is it still mostly from people you know would be left-wing regardless?

00:44:03.000 I think the idea of starting a new foreign war is really, even for Trump voters, really deterring people from wanting to align with the administration and their actions.

00:44:15.000 So even amongst Trump voters, and then the other gal that was on said the same thing at her university.

00:44:21.000 So the youth vote came plus 13% in our direction, which is a huge swing, historic swing.

00:44:29.000 And this seems to indicate that we are in jeopardy, if not already before that, with some of the Epstein stuff, the Midnight Hammer stuff, of alienating those new additions to the coalition already.

00:44:42.000 Yeah, exactly to your point.

00:44:44.000 I mean, you guys would be on top of it more than others.

00:44:46.000 I remember watching that, the live, that the young generation, the new MAGA part of the coalition, a lot of them were African-American male voters, Hispanic voters, and young people, disproportionately millennials and Zoomers that joined the Trump coalition in 2024 that weren't part of it before, that boosted us from being minus four to plus one in the national vote, that allowed for the sweep of the swing states, that allowed for some coattails in the House and the Senate to have the House in the Senate.

00:45:13.000 So that's what's at danger of losing.

00:45:14.000 Young voters do not support this conflict.

00:45:17.000 They don't want us involved in foreign conflicts, period.

00:45:19.000 So the sooner the president can bring us home, the better.

00:45:22.000 And then the other vote is the historic anti-war vote, disproportionately in rural and working class areas in the industrial and rural Midwest and amongst Hispanic voters in the Southwest, which were bleeding out badly, as we saw from the Texas primary results.

00:45:34.000 And then the libertarian vote.

00:45:36.000 And it's just, you can't cut off this many parts of your coalition and survive.

00:45:42.000 We set out the stakes here.

00:45:44.000 Politically, this is fraught.

00:45:45.000 I think Blake and I were talking earlier this morning.

00:45:48.000 The longer this drags on, the more fraught it becomes, the more there is an oil supply shock, then it's going to become even more painful, right?

00:45:59.000 Oil was up at like, I think, $110.

00:46:01.000 It's come back down under $100 last time I checked it.

00:46:04.000 But it's no doubt.

00:46:06.000 This has political ramifications.

00:46:07.000 I think Matt Walsh was the one who said it, that if we bombed Iran and we achieved our missional objective there, and yet we lost the presidency or the midterms, it wouldn't be worth it to him.

00:46:21.000 Okay, this is a series of impossible decisions.

00:46:24.000 What needs to happen and how quickly, Robert Barnes, for this to come out as good as it possibly could be?

00:46:33.000 Yeah, I think the first part is, you know, declare victory and leave.

00:46:36.000 The president did that with the Hooties when we didn't quite achieve the original objective, but he realized that it was unlikely to be achieved. 0.99

00:46:44.000 So he just declared victory and left.

00:46:46.000 Vice President Vance has been giving the president an off-ramp all the way through.

00:46:50.000 Say, look, the real focus of this was always about nuclear weapons, not about regime change, not about dictating to Iran its next supreme leader, not about any of the things that other people like Lindsey Graham want to drag the president into doing.

00:47:05.000 One thing I would recommend is just have Lindsey Graham off the air, him running around saying, let's do something. 0.99

00:47:10.000 Robert, I keep saying the exact same thing.

00:47:12.000 If you follow me on X, I've just been like, get this guy away from the freaking microphone for the love. 0.84

00:47:18.000 He's like frothing at the mouth.

00:47:19.000 He's like, anyways, continue.

00:47:21.000 I cut you off.

00:47:22.000 Please.

00:47:23.000 Yeah, and to remind people out there, Charlie says if we did anything, we need to defeat Lindsey Graham in the primary.

00:47:28.000 You got two good candidates running there, Mark Lynch and Paul Dance.

00:47:32.000 So I highly recommend that whichever candidate you like, but just we gotta have Lindsey Graham out of there. 1.00

00:47:38.000 He's a walking-talking disaster, PR-wise for the president, but also policy-wise.

00:47:42.000 So I think, you know, take JD Vance's recommended, the declare victory.

00:47:46.000 Say apparently we hit several of the last remaining nuclear enrichment facilities, including the new ones.

00:47:52.000 He took out the Ayatollah. 0.97

00:47:53.000 Declare victory and go home and get out as quickly as you can.

00:47:57.000 Because the longer this drags on, as you know, the more political risk develops in the U.S. and the more geopolitical risk comes about in the Middle East.

00:48:07.000 You know, if they start hitting desalination plants, if they start keep the straits of Hormuz closed, not only does oil and gas, natural gas prices spike, but also you could have a drought in a food crisis throughout the Gulf states because they depend, many of them, for the Straits of Hormuz to get access to their food.

00:48:25.000 So people forget, you know, that it's all desert there in the Gulf states.

00:48:29.000 So that's why they rely on desalination plants, including Israel does. 0.96

00:48:32.000 I think it's in Israel's best interest that we get out of this quicker rather than later. 1.00

00:48:36.000 Because who knows, if Iran really thinks they're under existential threat, we don't want to know what they might do.

00:48:42.000 They might hit everything.

00:48:43.000 They might hit all the oil gas refinery places.

00:48:45.000 They might hit all the desalination plants.

00:48:47.000 They might hit the nuclear reactors.

00:48:49.000 Yeah, I don't mean to cut you off again, but Blake was bringing up a point.

00:48:52.000 Apparently, that was the one line Lindsey Graham wasn't prepared to cross. 0.92

00:48:57.000 Please don't blow up all of their oil stuff.

00:48:59.000 Like they're going to need that after the war is over.

00:49:02.000 So even Lindsey Graham was chastising Israel for going after the refineries.

00:49:07.000 But yes, continue.

00:49:09.000 Exactly.

00:49:10.000 So essentially, there's just lots of exponential geopolitical risks that this could get out of hand really fast.

00:49:15.000 What if Israel feels they're under existential threat?

00:49:18.000 Do they use nuclear weapons?

00:49:19.000 Pakistan has said if they use nuclear weapons, Pakistan will use nuclear weapons.

00:49:23.000 So this is just, you know, the Mideast is a place that can quickly and easily, as Charlie repeatedly reminded people, get out of control.

00:49:30.000 You might have the best.

00:49:31.000 And the temptation of any president is to double down.

00:49:35.000 Trump has always been brilliant in recognizing I'm in trouble, time to get out.

00:49:39.000 People forget the Sun Tzu principle, which is when the enemy is stronger, you retreat.

00:49:44.000 You don't walk into a trap that gets you mired down.

00:49:47.000 That's the mistake George W. Bush made.

00:49:49.000 That's the mistake past politicians have made.

00:49:51.000 So, Robert, just to play devil's advocate here, though, you know, President Trump has said he doesn't like the new Ayatollah.

00:49:58.000 He's not happy with that.

00:49:59.000 He said he wants to be involved in the selection of the next leader, somebody that will be friendly with America.

00:50:05.000 And he also said that, you know, essentially he believes he needs to finish the job because he doesn't trust future presidents to, you know, that they will do the right thing in the future.

00:50:18.000 He said, I don't want to be fighting them and come back in five years or in 10 years.

00:50:22.000 Got to get it done the right way now.

00:50:24.000 How do you balance those two things, still declare a political and a military victory?

00:50:28.000 I think the great gift of Trump is that he can declare victory even when it's not apparent that by his own standards he got it.

00:50:35.000 He's a brilliant salesman.

00:50:36.000 He's always been a brilliant salesman.

00:50:37.000 So my advice to the president is just sell it.

00:50:39.000 I think American people would be happy with that.

00:50:41.000 Say, look, we took out the regime that caused a lot of harm.

00:50:44.000 We took out all their nuclear capacity.

00:50:47.000 And on that basis, we'll be satisfied for now.

00:50:50.000 And then try to re-enter.

00:50:52.000 I think it'll be tricky to re-enter negotiations, but try to.

00:50:55.000 I think otherwise, I just look as a risk-reward ratio.

00:50:58.000 What's the probability you get that reward of a peaceful, free, democratic Iran governed by someone other than the supreme leader that is not driven by Shia Islamic beliefs structure versus what risk do you have to incur to try to get that reward?

00:51:15.000 I think the chance of that reward is low.

00:51:18.000 The director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, reported that it was not likely to occur that military means could achieve regime change that can really only happen with a complete cultural shift amongst the Iranian population, in particular Shia Islamic population.

00:51:34.000 And so that's part one is how do you assess the probability of obtaining that objective?

00:51:39.000 And then what risk are you accruing?

00:51:41.000 You're basically, as Matt Walsh pointed out, even if he could obtain that reward, is it worth sacrificing the entire Trump OG MAGA 2024 coalition?

00:51:51.000 Is it worth sacrificing the populist conservative realignment back to America's constitutional republic and religious roots?

00:51:59.000 Is it worth risking the SAVE Act?

00:52:02.000 Is it worth risking all of his domestic policy agenda?

00:52:05.000 Is it worth risking being impeached in 2027 with a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate?

00:52:10.000 My own view is I don't assess the reward probability is high, and I assess the risk probability is very high.

00:52:16.000 And so I think the risk-reward weigh out that ratio.

00:52:19.000 I think it's in the best interest of the president.

00:52:21.000 Maybe down the road you can pursue that, but now is it the time given the risk that's accruing and the reward seems distant.

00:52:28.000 And I think if he shifts back to a domestic agenda, 1776 law center, we did a nationwide survey, you know, get rid of all this immunity for big pharma and these big ag and big companies and government actors when they violate people's civil rights and civil liberties.

00:52:42.000 You know, impose tariffs, but take away the individual income tax on 95% of American households.

00:52:48.000 That was popular even with some Democrats.

00:52:50.000 There's all these popular populist policies he can pursue and enforce in an act if he's not distracted or detoured by a foreign war.

00:52:58.000 So I think when you weigh the risk-reward ratio, I think it favors the president finding an exit ramp as quickly and expeditiously as he can so he can shift back to the domestic agenda that can restore the coalition and at least mitigate the harm that's coming in the midterms.

00:53:13.000 Robert Barnes, well said.

00:53:15.000 Great perspective.

00:53:16.000 Thank you, sir.

00:53:17.000 We'll have you on again soon.

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00:54:30.000 Welcome back to the show, John Solomon.

00:54:32.000 You have a blockbuster report out of justthenews.com today out of Maricopa County.

00:54:39.000 Tell us the details, sir.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, so just a month after the FBI raided Fulton County, or in Atlanta area in Georgia, to look at the 2020 ballots there, they did something a little different.

00:54:50.000 They did a grand jury subpoena secretly to get about tens of terabytes, a large amount, about 40 terabytes of data from Maricopa County.

00:55:01.000 Now, they didn't do it to Maricopa County.

00:55:02.000 They did it to the Arizona Senate.

00:55:05.000 It was secretly done so that Maricopa County wouldn't know, but the Senate is confirming today that they did, in fact, turn over election data from many elections going back to at least 2020 and through 2024.

00:55:19.000 This is the second major metropolitan area where there's always been questions about voting integrity, now to be targeted by the FBI.

00:55:28.000 It's a really big moment.

00:55:29.000 Very different tactics.

00:55:31.000 Volton County, very high-profile search warrant and a raid.

00:55:35.000 This one, more surreptitious, behind-the-scenes grand jury subpoena going to a third party that had custody of the Maricopa County election data.

00:55:44.000 So this was 2024, not 2020, or even 2022.

00:55:48.000 I think they go all the way back to 2020.

00:55:50.000 It's 2020, 2022, and 2024.

00:55:52.000 That's what my sources are telling me.

00:55:54.000 So they're looking at a broad swath of election counting.

00:55:58.000 It might even go back before 2020, but I'm certain of 2020, 2022, and 2024.

00:56:03.000 It's a very large amount of data.

00:56:06.000 Was there an inciting incident here?

00:56:09.000 Was there something that triggered the grand jury in the first place?

00:56:12.000 So a few weeks ago, or actually a couple, few months ago, Congressman Abe Hamaday wrote a very important letter saying, hey, congressional monitors that were sent from the House Administration Committee back in 2024 went and visited a warehouse and they saw some unusual commingling or what they thought was unusual commingling of unused ballots, blank ballots, and filled out ballots, ballots that people had voted with.

00:56:36.000 These are all paper because Arizona's a predominantly paper voting state.

00:56:41.000 That report got flagged by multiple people.

00:56:44.000 The FBI looked at it, thought it was unusual, and that began a look at Maricopa County.

00:56:49.000 And now, because of the nature of data that the Arizona Senate had, they get a large swath that goes back many years, at least to 2020.

00:56:58.000 I bet it goes back even before that.

00:57:01.000 And I think what you know, if you go back and you look at the clips, is that Maricopa County's had lots of problems with trust and competence for a long time.

00:57:11.000 In the early 2000s, it was the Democrats who were complaining about it.

00:57:15.000 Then starting in 2020, President Trump and Abe Homeday and Kerry Lake and others raised concerns.

00:57:20.000 But there's been basically a decade or two of concern about Maricopa County vote counting, vote procedures, and the FBI now is diving in.

00:57:29.000 And the important thing here to understand is while state law and state legislatures set the rules for election, that's what the Constitution allows for, if a state or a county or a election locality doesn't follow the state law in the administration of a federal election, it can become a federal crime.

00:57:48.000 And as we saw in the Fulton County search warrant affidavit, that is the predicate, at least for Georgia, that the FBI is using to do the criminal investigation there.

00:57:57.000 So you have said that this is the second kind of shoe to drop, but there's more that we should expect to be coming down the pike.

00:58:06.000 I think that's right, based on what I've heard from my sources, both in the Justice Department, the FBI, and in the election community.

00:58:16.000 There are some other states where there have always been questions about ballots and counting and rule changes.

00:58:23.000 And I think as comprehensive as you've seen Harmeet Dylan go after the dirty voter rolls and try to force the cleanup of those dirty voter rolls, I think they're up to 28 states that have some sort of compelled action from the Justice Department.

00:58:38.000 I think the FBI is doing something similar, taking a look at some places where there's enough evidence to suggest that maybe the state laws weren't being followed or there was chaos or incompetence or maybe some nefarious behavior.

00:58:50.000 I think other states will follow.

00:58:52.000 I'm told that they're looking at at least five locations.

00:58:55.000 I don't know the other three yet.

00:58:56.000 I could make some guesses, but I think at the end of the day, Maricopa is round two, but I do think there'll be a round three, four, and five somewhere else in the country before this is all done.

00:59:06.000 I mean, I hate to make you speculate here, but I bet Blake could pick three other cities if I had to.

00:59:13.000 I bet he could.

00:59:14.000 He knows it better than I. I'm just going to suggest here, Blake, check my math here.

00:59:20.000 Milwaukee.

00:59:21.000 We had a real close Senate election in 2024, one of those late night flips with Havdi.

00:59:29.000 And then we have Detroit, those classic images from 2020, them putting up the cardboard.

00:59:35.000 And then Philadelphia.

00:59:38.000 Those are three really good guesses based on what we, yeah.

00:59:41.000 And let's remember there's a couple other little pieces here that aren't well known by everyday Americans.

00:59:47.000 But in Michigan, the FBI received evidence from the Michigan State Police in late 2020 that they had found this voter mill, what they basically called a ballot mill up in Muskegon, I believe it was.

01:00:01.000 And the Michigan State Police believed it was one of seven locations around the country where these things were going on.

01:00:07.000 And they believe they found fake registration data and fake voter ballot requests there.

01:00:13.000 And they referred it to the FBI.

01:00:14.000 Unfortunately, the Chris Ray FBI doesn't appear to have very aggressively investigated that.

01:00:19.000 But I think that the Michigan makes a lot of sense because the FBI has some prior documentation that came in from Michigan State Police.

01:00:26.000 Kash Patel recently found that data, and I know his team are looking at that right now.

01:00:31.000 So, John, am I right to presume that sometimes you may not get actual evidence of outright voter fraud, but they're moving in on sort of process crimes, right?

01:00:42.000 So where there's smoke, there's fire.

01:00:45.000 They're finding what they can charge these local officials with.

01:00:48.000 Yeah, I think, and again, I don't think they're there to, hey, we have a name, let's hang a charge on it.

01:00:53.000 That's what the Democrats did to Donald Trump.

01:00:55.000 I think what they're looking at is, hey, enough people provided visual or paper evidence that the rules weren't followed in these state.

01:01:03.000 And it turns out that that's a federal crime.

01:01:05.000 And if it was intentional, meaning if someone intentionally didn't follow the rules, they knew that what they were doing was wrong and they just simply didn't follow it, that people can be prosecuted under, I think it's section 152 of the federal statutes.

01:01:17.000 And so that's what the FBI agent in the affidavit described.

01:01:21.000 And so you see places where, listen, in Wisconsin, we all know that after the fact, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that one of the changes they made for COVID voting wasn't lawful.

01:01:32.000 Well, that's a pretty significant decision that was made by people, the Wisconsin Election Commission and others.

01:01:37.000 Does that constitute a federal crime?

01:01:39.000 Those are the sort of things that could potentially be examined in an investigation like this.

01:01:45.000 Really good reporting here, John.

01:01:47.000 Excellent stuff.

01:01:48.000 I'm very much looking forward to seeing what other jurisdictions are going to be rated or grand juries, whatever.

01:01:56.000 You also have mentioned that, you know, this FBI Arctic Frost, right, they targeted Turning Point.

01:02:03.000 You say you can throw up 251.

01:02:05.000 No doubt.

01:02:06.000 251 and 247, these images right here.

01:02:10.000 FBI Arctic Frost probe targeted nearly 100 GOP groups, including Charlie Kirk's TPSA.

01:02:16.000 It looks like Tyler Boyer specifically was targeted, surveilled.

01:02:20.000 You have, I don't know, hinted that there could be another sort of anti-Trump intel op that is uncovered this week.

01:02:31.000 Can you tell us more?

01:02:32.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:02:33.000 We're in the final stages of just finishing that up.

01:02:35.000 But I think what you're going to see is the first targeting of President Trump was in the summer of 16.

01:02:40.000 That's Crossfire Hurricane.

01:02:42.000 That's the fake Russia collusion story.

01:02:44.000 The last was Arctic Frost.

01:02:45.000 That's the one that Kash Patel discovered.

01:02:47.000 In between, there were two in the middle.

01:02:50.000 One of them is now known.

01:02:51.000 It's the one that targeted Kash Patel and Susie Weil's phone records recently.

01:02:55.000 We learned about that.

01:02:57.000 And that is focused on the classified records case, but it was a counterintelligence case that was opened up.

01:03:03.000 But there is another one that's opened up in that same timeframe, maybe a little bit earlier, as Crossfire Hurricane is coming to an end.

01:03:12.000 And before the classified documents case began, they basically targeted the president a fourth time.

01:03:20.000 So there will be four counterintelligence investigations in which the FBI treated President Trump as a national security threat nearly the entire time of his political career.

01:03:30.000 We're going to lay all those out in the next 24, 48 hours.

01:03:33.000 You said this could be the most troubling.

01:03:36.000 Can you shed any more light on that?

01:03:38.000 I think because part of the predicate or part of the rationale for what constituted the national security threat was what words you used to talk about Hunter Biden in Ukraine.

01:03:50.000 Think about that.

01:03:51.000 Speech may have been a delimiter for determining whether you were treated as a national security threat.

01:03:56.000 And I think that investigation falls in that timeframe, but we're also seeing the origins of a disinformation board and then that massive amount of censorship that we saw, some of it in Europe paid by the United States who then come back and censor Americans, some of it outright occurring on U.S. soil.

01:04:13.000 Charlie and I and many others were targeted in that censorship realm as well.

01:04:18.000 I think that the fact that it went beyond censorship and maybe treated someone just because of what they said about Hunter Biden or COVID or whatever, that they could be deemed a national security threat worthy of being investigated by the FBI is a very concerning thing.

01:04:34.000 And I think that that's where this fourth operation likely lands.

01:04:38.000 John Solomon, just the news.

01:04:40.000 Check him out.

01:04:41.000 Check out his show on Real America's Voice as well.

01:04:44.000 Thank you for this.

01:04:44.000 Great, great work, John.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, good to be with you guys.

01:04:47.000 Thanks so much.

01:04:48.000 All right.

01:04:48.000 We'll talk to you soon.

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01:05:50.000 All right, Blake, there's a bunch of doomers.

01:05:54.000 There's a lot of doomers.

01:05:55.000 We wanted to get this.

01:05:56.000 We have some good news.

01:05:57.000 Yeah.

01:05:58.000 So this is the thing that's going to get really frustrating over the months to come because there's a lot of people who are going to see the conflict with Iran as an excuse to maximally doomer.

01:06:11.000 They want to pout, either because they find it emotionally satisfying to complain and pout or because they see it as a chance to win some sort of internal struggle within the right.

01:06:22.000 So they'll either think, oh, we can turf out the MAGA people because Trump's poll numbers will go in, or we can turf out the more interventionist people because we think this war will go bad.

01:06:31.000 There's going to be a lot of that.

01:06:32.000 And it's going to be very important to keep fighting for this cause because a lot of good stuff is happening, stuff that's not always in the headlines.

01:06:40.000 And as an example, something we were celebrating over the weekend, this is great because it was reported by various outlets as a negative thing, where international student visas went down much more than expected, worse than we thought, because America's colleges have gotten hooked on foreign students, bringing in Infinity Indians, Infinity Chinese, Infinity Arabians. 0.75

01:07:05.000 So, why do they do this?

01:07:06.000 They do it for a variety of reasons.

01:07:08.000 One is at a lot of state schools, they'll pay full-freight tuition, so this can fill in holes in their budget.

01:07:14.000 A lot of grad students they bring in because these schools, to save money, pay their grad students in STEM subjects, are generally paid.

01:07:21.000 They're not paying tuition, and they don't want to pay them too much.

01:07:24.000 So, someone who's coming to the U.S. from abroad will work for a lot less money, both because they're from a poor country and because they can use this to get a green card into the United States.

01:07:34.000 And that's effectively a form of compensation an American can't get.

01:07:38.000 So, we've gotten totally hooked on foreign students.

01:07:41.000 It's hollowing out America, especially in skilled fields.

01:07:44.000 We've gotten totally hooked on, oh, we need foreign computer programmers, we need foreign physicists, foreign everything.

01:07:51.000 And Americans are losing the ability to do these things.

01:07:53.000 And then we become more hooked than ever.

01:07:55.000 Anyway, visa issuances for foreign students went down 36% last year in the Trump administration.

01:08:01.000 According to Chronicle of Higher Education's analysis of the Department of State data, this is what's interesting.

01:08:07.000 So, this is 97,000, 100,000 fewer student visas were awarded.

01:08:13.000 Technically, that's a 17% overall decrease in international student enrollments, which is big, actually.

01:08:20.000 One year, just from a, they're just doing this kind of behind the scenes.

01:08:25.000 No laws have changed, many different regulations have been.

01:08:27.000 On EFI Institute, where I'm looking right now, it says economic implications for colleges are significant.

01:08:34.000 Good.

01:08:34.000 Yes.

01:08:35.000 Good.

01:08:35.000 Stop paying bloated administrative salaries.

01:08:38.000 Stop adding admin roles.

01:08:41.000 By the way, when you look at the ratio over the years between students and administrative faculty, we're not talking professors.

01:08:48.000 We're talking admins.

01:08:50.000 The ratio has skyrocketed.

01:08:51.000 The number of people that, you know, they have their gym, you know, their gym yoga class leaders that are part of the package.

01:08:58.000 You have the community managers.

01:09:00.000 You have the sheer number of psychiatrists, mental health professionals, diversity czars.

01:09:06.000 Well, and here's the thing.

01:09:07.000 This is what's great.

01:09:09.000 India, the top sender of students to the United States.

01:09:13.000 So hear me out again, because we're talking about H-1Bs. 1.00

01:09:16.000 Everybody wants to get rid of India. 1.00

01:09:17.000 I'm on that track.

01:09:20.000 But this is key.

01:09:21.000 India, the top sender of students to the United States, saw an especially steep decline.

01:09:26.000 American consulates there issued only about 22,000 student visas over the summer, a drop of more than 60%.

01:09:36.000 So yet, we haven't fixed all of it, but 60% drop in student visas to India.

01:09:43.000 That is significant.

01:09:44.000 That is significant.

01:09:45.000 And to Blake's point, why?

01:09:47.000 Because you're making room for actual American-born talent to take those spots, especially when it comes to STEM.

01:09:55.000 So a lot of people don't understand the psychology of this.

01:09:58.000 Say you're like a white kid from Tulsa and you want to go get a STEM degree somewhere and you apply and you go into the introductory course because they do these, they do sort of like, you know, come get to know your faculty if you're thinking about this major or whatever.

01:10:14.000 And you go in, you got this white kid from Tulsa who goes in and guess what it is?

01:10:19.000 It's all Chinese and Indians.

01:10:21.000 And you're like the one kid from America. 0.86

01:10:23.000 And what are you going to think psychologically about that? 0.53

01:10:25.000 Like, screw that.

01:10:26.000 I'm going to go to finance.

01:10:27.000 And so we lose the ability to do really important work.

01:10:32.000 And that's key because then we get hooked on foreign talent.

01:10:35.000 Totally hooked.

01:10:36.000 And then we've often had, we've had foreign-born scientists end up in sensitive defense stuff because we're like, well, we have no one else who can fill these jobs or we're just totally blasé about the risk that having foreign originated people in sensitive defense stuff goes. 0.93

01:10:53.000 And then they leak stuff to China.

01:10:56.000 Endlessly has happened where we have Chinese scientists in sensitive areas or again, those Chinese graduate students. 1.00

01:11:01.000 We do so much defense work at universities with professors who are elites in whatever their field is.

01:11:07.000 And they'll have Chinese graduate students and they'll say, oh, we're keeping them away from the most sensitive stuff, but they're not away enough. 0.81

01:11:14.000 They'll end up.

01:11:16.000 Well, there's a new report, by the way.

01:11:17.000 The DOJ just showed that over 30,000 visits during the Biden administration from Chinese, Russian, and Iranian officials to sensitive laboratories doing research in the United States.

01:11:28.000 Not a problem that China has, for example, that they we've gotten so hooked, it's functionally impossible for us to do work that we think America should be able to do without an endless inflow of people from abroad. 1.00

01:11:42.000 And some of those people are useful.

01:11:43.000 Some of those people are necessary, but not as many as we've gotten used to and not to the extent where it's worth hollowing out native-born Americans' ability to do key work. 0.62

01:11:54.000 So that's a white pill for you.

01:11:56.000 It's important to flag these.

01:11:57.000 We're going to keep doing it because we can't let people use this conflict in Iran or anything else to blackpill us out of keeping this administration going.

01:12:08.000 Because it's doing important stuff that no other administration would do that is helping America in the long term.

01:12:15.000 And that's happening on immigration.

01:12:17.000 It's happening on the border.

01:12:18.000 It's happening on regulation.

01:12:20.000 It's happening in a lot of areas.

01:12:21.000 Yep.

01:12:22.000 Western hemispheric dominance.

01:12:24.000 But yeah, I call them the burn it all down people.

01:12:27.000 There is a whole string of thought online that wants to completely sabotage the Trump administration because they aren't perfectly.

01:12:34.000 Some people find it more fun to burn everything down than to build.

01:12:38.000 In fact, most people find it that way.

01:12:39.000 That's why building is hard and why it's necessary.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 09, 2026

The New York Nail Bombs + The FBI's Maricopa Raid

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