00:00:00.000Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Kimberly Fletcher joins us to talk about how we are going to hold the federal government accountable for calling moms terrorists.
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00:01:27.000One of the biggest stories of the last couple of years is how the Biden regime targeted moms and school boards, calling them domestic terrorists.
00:01:35.000The new Republican Congress is going to get to the bottom of this, and hopefully people will be held accountable.
00:01:39.000Joining us now is Kimberly Fletcher from Moms for America.
00:01:43.000Kimberly, welcome back to the program.
00:01:55.000Walk us through it and also tell us what do you think this new Republican Congress should do to get to the bottom of it.
00:02:03.000Well, I would really like to see the questions that have been asked in the past and ignored being answered.
00:02:08.000I think the fact that we now have control of the Congress, we have a better power play on getting those answers.
00:02:13.000I really like what Jim Jordan is doing and Matt Gates coming out and putting the pressure on the various organizations to answer those questions.
00:02:22.000We're dealing with it on the national level as well as the local level.
00:02:26.000And what's really exciting about where we're at now is for years I had to try and convince people that everything was local and I don't have to convince people anymore.
00:02:35.000And while a lot of people are really depressed about the last election, it was the best, most successful election in my lifetime because moms came out in droves.
00:02:45.000And the biggest question they asked was, do we have to vote for every office on the ballot for my ballot to count?
00:02:51.000And they came in and they voted the down ballot.
00:02:54.000They voted the things closest to them, school board, city council, sheriff.
00:02:58.000And when they had people that they believed in who they felt would stand for them, for us, our principles and our values and protecting our kids and our schools, then they voted for them on those levels too, which is why Florida did so well and Governor DeSantis did so well, because he connected with the moms.
00:03:15.000When we had concerns, he addressed them.
00:03:17.000That's what I would like to see Congress do.
00:03:19.000Yeah, so this is a very interesting story because it involves potentially three different agencies, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Justice, and the Department of Education, which we don't talk about a lot, which is this guy, Miguel Cardona.
00:03:39.000And it seems to be the evidence suggests, and we'll get a definitive answer as Congress starts to do their job, that the National School Board Association, a non-government organization, lobbied the Biden administration, was able to get an audience with three different government agencies that resulted in terrorist type activity, mean terrorist threat level activity,
00:04:06.000as if we were dealing with Al-Qaeda having a sleeper cell in Charleston, South Carolina.
00:04:13.000That sort of law enforcement activity was then a result of the National School Board Association lobbying our government.
00:04:23.000And here's the really scary part about that is when the federal government comes out with those kind of standards, then all of the law enforcement agencies on the local level act on it.
00:04:32.000So we have had moms who have been going into the school board meetings, who have read from the books that their children are being exposed to, who have addressed real concerns that the school district should be paying attention to.
00:04:45.000And they're being told that they can't talk about some of these things.
00:04:49.000Like when they're reading the books, these excerpts, they said, you can't read that because it's public TV and that's against the FCC standards, you know, to have that on TV.
00:04:57.000And when the moms keep reading it, then we have had moms who've literally been handcuffed by police officers and taken out of these school board meetings.
00:05:47.000Yeah, so we have Texas, we have legislators in Texas who are picking it up.
00:05:51.000Seven other states, we have legislators who are also going to be introducing it.
00:05:55.000And this is giving moms power on the ground because a lot of times when you get a bill that you're pushing forward, the legislators get squeamish when it comes to the penalties.
00:06:04.000But what good is a law if it doesn't have a penalty when you break it, right?
00:06:07.000So what's really great about this, this bill that we're introducing is it takes the protection of the educational clause away.
00:06:14.000So they hide behind this idea of educational.
00:06:17.000When you throw that word out there, you can put anything behind it.
00:06:20.000So what we're doing is taking away that protection.
00:06:23.000And when you do that, penalty is already there.
00:06:27.000They become pedophiles grooming and sexualizing our children just like anybody else.
00:06:32.000And we as parents and local officials can then file legal charges against them.
00:06:37.000We have had it with being on the defense and we're going on the offense.
00:06:42.000And that's a simple point, which is if you can't air it on television, why should you be able to share it with a seven-year-old?
00:06:51.000And I discussed this with Pete Hegseth in his new documentary, The Miseducation of America, where it's just, this is a very interesting example.
00:07:00.000So we have a very diverse audience of a lot of opinions.
00:07:05.000And so sometimes I'll show the pornography that is showed in our schools on air, right?
00:07:10.000And I'll say, hey, eight-year-olds are learning this.
00:07:13.000And we get emails, Kimberly, of people that are really angry that I would dare show pseudopornography on our show.
00:07:21.000I say, wait a second, why aren't you that angry to go to your local school board to make sure kids aren't learning it?
00:07:26.000You're angry that I'm airing what's happening in our schools.
00:07:30.000And so I just always find that to be very interesting where people will get so fired up, like, how dare you expose this to me, Charlie?
00:07:37.000Like, well, it's actually in curriculum, okay?
00:07:50.000And let's just be honest, this was the Biden regime's attempt to try to thwart and prevent a parents' party from becoming a serious political force.
00:08:06.000And the thing is, if you're not being targeted, if you're not being attacked, if you're not being maligned, then you're not over the target.
00:08:16.000And we are literally standing in between those who want this country and the children that they think who they can mold into, making it what they want.
00:08:25.000We are in their way, and they've known that.
00:08:27.000So, there's a great book that came out.
00:08:29.000I don't know if you had a chance to read it.
00:08:30.000It's called None Dare Call It Conspiracy.
00:08:46.000Well, but the point of the beginning of it that's really good is it says that the objective of every conspiracy is to convince people that there is no conspiracy.
00:08:55.000And so they want to make you out to be crazy or a domestic terrorist, or they want to malign you in every way you can to disparage you so that people won't listen to you.
00:09:07.000And that's what they've been trying to do.
00:09:11.000And it is a game changer when moms show up empowered with who they are, what America is about, what your rights are, where they come from, and then they know how to effectively exercise them.
00:09:24.000We are now in the process of actively recruiting and training moms and grandmas across the country to fill a role as a school district ambassador in every one of the 13,452 school districts in the country to counter these negative influences of the associations that our tax dollars, district money is paying for, and the teachers' unions.
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00:12:24.000Full transparent, this is a very complicated story.
00:12:28.000Our team has done a fabulous job summarizing it.
00:12:31.000You remember five months ago, there was this mysterious explosion in the Nord Stream gas pipeline, which is not an insignificant pipeline, that routes natural gas from Russia to Germany.
00:12:45.000Now, remember, it was such a big pipeline, they wanted to have the second one.
00:13:07.000Something of that variety, which did suggest that there was some intelligence there.
00:13:10.000I don't think it was the Polish prime minister.
00:13:12.000It was some external Polish government official.
00:13:17.000Anyway, so we weren't sure who did this, but the narrative that was introduced by the American government was this is Russia bombing their own pipeline.
00:13:27.000Now, that would always potentially could be true, but it was just very unlikely that Russia would destroy their own cash cow into Europe.
00:13:38.000That would only further jeopardize their ability to pay their bills, keep the petrodollar afloat.
00:13:56.000This is Victoria Newland in January saying, look, if Russia, this is January of last year, if Russia does indeed invade Ukraine, Nordstream 2 will not move forward.
00:14:04.000Very short clip, Victoria Newland, PlayCut 84.
00:14:08.000And I want to be clear with you today.
00:14:11.000If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nordstream 2 will not move forward.
00:14:26.000Okay, so Nord Stream 1 is what was bombed.
00:14:29.000Nord Stream 2 was still being created.
00:14:31.000Now, remember, this was an underwater natural gas pipeline.
00:14:37.000So now journalist Seymour Hirsch, very interesting man, has a very, very long and in-depth bombshell story arguing that, yes, definitively, the demolition was conducted by the United States and that it was being planned months before Russia ever invaded Ukraine.
00:14:58.000His argument, first and foremost, more about him, his articles exposing the Central Intelligence Agency's anti-war activists are credited with leading to the 1970s church committee.
00:15:11.000According to Hirsch, the U.S. intelligence agencies anticipated the Russian invasion and came up with a demolition as a way to force European allies to stand up against Russia.
00:15:24.000Quote, as long as Europe remained dependent on the pipelines for cheap natural gas, Washington was afraid that countries like Germany would be reluctant to supply Ukraine with the money and weapons it needed to defeat Russia.
00:15:40.000It was at this unsettled moment that Biden authorized Jake Sullivan to bring a really qualified guy to bring together an interagency group to come up with a plan.
00:15:49.000Now, look, this is important for a couple reasons.
00:15:52.000The big quote is this: last June, Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized midsummer NATO exercise known as Battops 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that three months later destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.
00:16:13.000Now, I can keep on going through this.
00:16:15.000Our team did an amazing job summarizing all this, but let me just editorialize for a second.
00:16:19.000If this is true, this is an act of war on behalf of the United States against the Russian government.
00:16:28.000If this is indeed true, which I believe it is true, you don't get to bomb countries' pipelines and act as if that's not an act of war.
00:16:38.000But who is it an act of war against exactly?
00:16:41.000Is it an act of war against Russia, an act of war against Germany, an act of war against NATO?
00:16:47.000And or is this a false flag potential operation just to get everybody mad at Russia to be able to send more money and weapons into Ukraine?
00:16:57.000I don't exactly think, I don't, I do not know how anyone could make an argument that this is responsible.
00:17:03.000According to Hirsch, Navy divers were there because they're not special forces.
00:17:07.000Special forces operations require White House briefing.
00:17:10.000The White House briefed congressional leaders.
00:17:23.000Biden didn't want them to know, so the operation was downgraded from covert to a highly classified intelligence operation with U.S. military support.
00:17:32.000With one weird trick, Biden was then able to keep Congress out of the loop.
00:17:37.000Hirsch said the attack was conducted in coordination with the Norwegian Navy while we kept other nations in the dark.
00:17:45.000Did our government bomb Russia's cash cow and the energy source for Europe?
00:18:37.000I mean, I have friends right now in Germany that are saying this has been an awful winter, that they go into restaurants that have had to truncate their hours because they are not allotted enough, I guess what they call it, heating units because of how cold it is, and they do not have widespread access to natural gas.
00:18:59.000You can thank the environmentalists for that.
00:19:01.000Apparently, the French are having a really tough winter as well.
00:19:14.000So the White House continues to categorically deny this, obviously.
00:19:18.000It's just a further exposure of an economic act of war conducted not just against Russia, but against our own allies.
00:19:24.000And so instead of trying to broker peace, we're sending deep sea navy divers who then could circumvent and avoid Congress to attack Germany.
00:19:39.000Now, this is a very simple observation that will be made on Twitter and on most conservative media.
00:19:47.000We tend to not do simple around here, but it is necessary.
00:19:51.000Could you imagine if Donald Trump did this?
00:19:55.000Again, it's simple, but it is a necessary observation.
00:19:59.000Could you imagine if Donald Trump enlisted a team of Navy divers that would intentionally not have to be briefed to Congress to attack both Russia and Germany simultaneously, that would further inflame a deadly and catastrophic border dispute war.
00:21:03.000I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, like, Yeah, that's not this guy.
00:21:06.000This guy actually has detailed clandestine activity by the Central Intelligence Agency for quite some time.
00:21:14.000So, if Seymour Hirsch's story is accurate, Biden then attacked our own allies and Russia in order to force them to stay on our side in the Ukraine proxy war.
00:21:26.000But I'm just more kind of interested in the Russia element of this.
00:21:31.000Is this going to sound, I'm going to have to be, I'm going to have to say this correctly without it coming across.
00:21:40.000If this is true and we did this, should we not be rather impressed by Russia's restraint?
00:21:47.000Now, I mean that actually very clearly.
00:21:49.000If you bombed a piece of critical infrastructure that was leveraged for Russia and they did not respond in kind, I mean, that's that's pretty interesting, isn't it?
00:22:05.000Now, you might say, well, how are they supposed to respond and all that?
00:22:07.000I mean, fair enough, but this was a cash cow for the Russians.
00:22:14.000Should it have ever gotten approved in the first place as a separate issue?
00:22:25.000So, the Germans have to have a now, they have a below standard of living to get them further into a proxy war, makes them look super pathetic, and then the Russians lose their cash cow and they don't retaliate.
00:22:46.000That seems to be against the narrative that Putin and the Kremlin are sociopathic warmongers that want nothing but destruction and carnage and are going to nuke the entire continent.
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00:24:28.000So, I disagree with President Biden on just about everything.
00:24:33.000I think he is a bumbling buffoon of a president.
00:24:37.000We saw last night at his State of the Union address.
00:24:40.000He's just this angry old man screaming at the TV screen.
00:24:44.000But I'll tell you one area where I think he's gotten it right is his big tech antitrust proposals and appointments to rein in Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple.
00:24:56.000And I think that is critically important that that happens.
00:25:00.000We've seen with President Biden appointing Jonathan Cantor to the critically important antitrust division at the Justice Department.
00:25:10.000Jonathan Cantor is the assistant attorney general for the antitrust division at the Justice Department, along with Lena Khan as the FTC chair.
00:25:18.000These are two appointments that show that President Joe Biden is willing to ignore Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple's big campaign contributions and their dark money contributions and work with Republicans on a bipartisan basis to finally end big tech's gatekeeping power over information and commerce.
00:25:40.000And I think this is where Republicans and Democrats must come together to hold big tech accountable because it's becoming too late.
00:25:51.000Big tech uses their market power to crush competition, shutter small businesses, and cancel conservatives and others with whom they disagree.
00:26:03.000We have this rare bipartisan opportunity with populist Democrats, with Joe Biden and the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democrat Party, along with the Trump wing of the Republican Party, to finally hold big tech accountable.
00:26:17.000And I think we need to take advantage of this opportunity.
00:26:23.000I don't know that I do not know this topic nearly as well as you do.
00:26:26.000So you'll be able to, I'm sure, push back rather effectively, which is, so let's say Biden put forward a good appointment at the DOJ on this issue.
00:26:44.000And I don't know anything about him, the details of it.
00:26:48.000So I suppose a counter that I would love to have you navigate through are two of the following.
00:26:53.000Number one, is it possible that Biden is and his allies are threatening big tech to try to get them to do more censorship and to try to use these as threats to get them more sympathetic to Democrat causes?
00:27:09.000For example, I'm going to use the FTC to threaten Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, and therefore they'll be more likely to do the bidding of the FBI.
00:27:19.000Well, I mean, that's certainly possible that different parts of the Biden regime are using this for nefarious reasons, but I'll say this: that the reason that YouTube can censor Senator Rand Paul, a medical doctor and a top policymaker in our government over his COVID statements is because Google owns YouTube.
00:27:41.000Google is a trillion-dollar big tech monopolist.
00:27:44.000And instead of competing against YouTube, Google simply acquired YouTube.
00:27:48.000And if Google and YouTube actually competed against each other, there's no chance that YouTube would have censored Senator Rand Paul.
00:28:00.000When we break up big tech, when you break up Google and YouTube, when you break up Facebook and Instagram, it makes it much less likely that they're going to censor people.
00:28:12.000They're going to be competing for users instead of censoring their users.
00:28:19.000I'm just cynical about complimenting Biden on anything.
00:28:21.000So you're going to have to keep on defending it.
00:28:23.000So the second argument would be that it's going to be unsuccessful because it will either be challenged in the courts or these companies are so big that they actually might invite the regulation.
00:28:35.000I mean, you see Facebook, they have this ridiculous website where they say, we actually want Congress to act.
00:29:44.000That's why, for example, there are two lawsuits right now from the DOJ antitrust division against Google.
00:29:51.000One is against Google's search monopoly, Google search, and one is against Google's advertising monopoly.
00:29:59.000If these two lawsuits succeed, particularly the advertising lawsuit, the antitrust lawsuit that Jonathan Cantor just filed, along with Republican state attorneys general across the country, including the Virginia attorney general who joined this lawsuit, Andrew Ferguson, the Solicitor General of Virginia, clerked with me on the Supreme Court.
00:30:35.000So let me entertain another piece that I would like to have you respond to is regulation of whom.
00:30:44.000One of the issues with a voluminous regulatory code and Stalinistic bureaucrats is they get to decide who actually gets more pressure or scrutiny than others.
00:30:55.000So for example, there is this kind of new fake big tech, let's just say posture, anti-big tech posh that Biden is having like, whoa, we're banning TikTok or University of Texas.
00:31:10.000I think TikTok should be totally banned, but they're doing this because Google is calling them and saying, hey, we want this done because YouTube Shorts is not exactly as successful as we would like.
00:31:22.000TikTok has seriously deteriorated the Gen Z market for Facebook and YouTube.
00:31:30.000Who's to say that with this robust antitrust regulation that might be passed or potentially enforced, that they'd go kind of soft on Google, soft on Amazon, but hard on Elon Musk's Twitter?
00:32:25.000I mean, the whole point of antitrust is to go after the monopolist, go after the people who are using their market power to crush competition in the market.
00:32:33.000And really, there are only four in the big tech market.
00:32:36.000It's Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple.
00:32:38.000So if the DOJ antitrust division files a lawsuit against any of those four, two of those four, three of those four, four of those four, it's a good thing.
00:32:46.000So then the final argument that I'd like to have you respond to is how successful was, in your estimation, the Microsoft 2001 landmark case where Microsoft had to defend its pseudo-monopolistic practices.
00:33:13.000I mean, it led to what we saw in the tech market for 15 years after that with Google and these other platforms that were able to come out of that.
00:33:22.000The problem is that we have the problem with our antitrust laws is the way that our antitrust laws are written, the plain text of our antitrust laws, it is very clear that our antitrust agencies can law enforcement agencies, the Justice Department's antitrust division, the FTC, state attorneys general should be able to break up big tech.
00:33:40.000The problem is we have what's called the consumer welfare standard.
00:33:44.000And what the consumer welfare standard does is it essentially says that if the anti-competitive actions don't affect price, there's not an antitrust violation.
00:34:18.000They look at everything that we do online and they sell us to advertisers.
00:34:23.000They micro-target us to advertisers, and that's how they make their trillions of dollars.
00:34:28.000But under the consumer welfare standard, we're not paying for the Google search with dollars.
00:34:33.000We're not paying for Facebook with dollars.
00:34:35.000We're not paying for YouTube with dollars.
00:34:38.000And so therefore, these lawsuits oftentimes get kicked under the consumer welfare standard.
00:34:43.000That's why we need to update our antitrust laws to make it very clear that this judicial activism called the consumer welfare standard does not apply to the tech market, Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple.
00:35:06.000I hear you and I trust you, but I think when the pressure starts to come upon Biden, he's going to defend those people that put him in the White House.
00:35:15.000Mike, final thoughts, I hear you, Charlie.