The Charlie Kirk Show - The “Obsolete” GOP Election Model with Newt Gingrich and Kash Patel

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00:01:42.000 Joining us now is one of the smartest people in the country to help us unpack what happened on 11-8, the midterms, almost two weeks ago.

00:01:51.000 It feels like it was two months ago.

00:01:52.000 It's been a long, long couple weeks as we unpack all of this, is the great Newt Gingrich.

00:01:58.000 Mr. Speaker, welcome back to the program.

00:02:00.000 It's good to be with you.

00:02:01.000 I'm not sure about great, but it's still good to be with you, Charlie.

00:02:05.000 Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

00:02:06.000 So obviously, we're going to win back the House of Representatives, which is a positive.

00:02:09.000 Ron DeSantis won by double digits, and we won in Georgia and Texas.

00:02:14.000 But I know you will agree that it was a little bit underwhelming in certain parts of the country.

00:02:18.000 You look at Fetterman, you look at some of these people that are going to be senators, remarkably beatable.

00:02:24.000 What happened and what went wrong?

00:02:27.000 Well, I think, first of all, and this is a tough thing to say, but I think the Republican policies, or I should say, the principles that the campaign consultants use are just wrong.

00:02:39.000 Let me give you an example.

00:02:40.000 A number of our candidates came out of the primaries virtually broke, and for two or three months, they weren't spending any money.

00:02:47.000 Meanwhile, the Democrats were identifying and defining our candidates, and the number of them never quite recovered.

00:02:54.000 In some cases, and here I think Mitch McConnell was a major problem.

00:02:59.000 He had a huge super PAC, but it believed in spending money late.

00:03:03.000 Well, the problem with that is in a lot of states now, people vote so early that if you aren't shaping the election in August and September, you're really missing the whole first wave of voting.

00:03:15.000 So that was a piece of it.

00:03:16.000 The other problem is that McConnell in particular does not believe in having any kind of serious issues to create an agenda.

00:03:27.000 I really liked what Kevin McCarthy did.

00:03:29.000 I think if he had a mistake, it was not doing more of it.

00:03:32.000 But his commitment to America was real.

00:03:34.000 It's positive.

00:03:36.000 You're going to see it play out in the House.

00:03:38.000 And I think that probably they should have spent more time and money communicating it as we did with the contract back in 94.

00:03:46.000 But the basic direction was right.

00:03:48.000 In the Senate, however, you have a Senate leader who explicitly does not believe you should have an agenda, wants to run essentially negative campaigns.

00:03:57.000 And in the long run, I think there were a lot of people who said, okay, I'm not happy with the Democrats, but I want to know what the Republicans are going to do for me.

00:04:06.000 And unfortunately, what we found was that we couldn't get them to say in a positive way exactly what they do.

00:04:13.000 So those are the biggest factors, I think.

00:04:16.000 I should point out, by the way, Charlie, almost all the early analysis was wrong.

00:04:21.000 We actually got, I think, 5.3 million more votes than the Democrats for the House.

00:04:28.000 We actually did dramatically better with women than we did in 2018.

00:04:33.000 So all the analysis about abortion has to be looked at again.

00:04:37.000 We significantly increased our vote with black males, and we significantly increased our vote with Latinos.

00:04:44.000 And we did amazingly well with Asian Americans who are really, really worried about crime. 0.99

00:04:50.000 So I think there's a lot of the early analysis and the sort of glib commentating that just isn't accurate.

00:04:59.000 We are set up for, I think, a very wild period in the House.

00:05:04.000 Kevin McCarthy, who I believe in as Speaker, is going to have a small group on the right that are going to be raising cane all the time.

00:05:12.000 And it's going to be challenging for him.

00:05:14.000 In the Senate, I'm very supportive of Herschel Walker.

00:05:18.000 The difference between winning the 50th Senate seat and being at 49 is enormous.

00:05:25.000 At 50, you're power sharing.

00:05:27.000 At 49, you're in a minority.

00:05:28.000 And under Senate rules, the difference in those two is enormous.

00:05:33.000 That's very important.

00:05:34.000 And I'll be honest, Newt, a lot of people on the right, myself included, we're still kind of digging ourselves out of the midterm hole, but we have this very important runoff in Georgia.

00:05:43.000 Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

00:05:45.000 Because I think that needs to be communicated to our audience because people say, oh, well, we're not going to control the Senate.

00:05:51.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:05:52.000 52 versus 50.

00:05:53.000 It matters enormously.

00:05:54.000 If you are at 50-50, then the Republicans have equal strength in all the committees.

00:06:00.000 You can block an amazing number of things.

00:06:03.000 You can stop the Democrats from passing a variety of things because while Kamala Harris, the vice president, gives them the 51st vote, it doesn't really let them maneuver in ways they'd like to.

00:06:15.000 If you're at 49, then the Democrats openly control all the committees.

00:06:20.000 They set all the agendas.

00:06:22.000 They decide who is going to be brought up for a vote, for example, among Biden's various nominees for executive branch office or for judges.

00:06:32.000 So there's a very, very big difference.

00:06:34.000 And I think the other thing I would just say personally, because I know Herschel and I really admire him, I think that Herschel Walker has the courage, the integrity to be a really remarkable U.S. Senator.

00:06:46.000 And I think having an African-American with his background, somebody who's good at business, somebody who's given over 400 speeches on military bases to help young people dealing with PTSD because of his own experience with having had concussions playing football and in mixed martial arts.

00:07:06.000 I think Herschel would be such a dramatic improvement over Senator Warnock, who is a hardline left-wing politician, that I really do think that it's worth a lot of effort to make sure Herschel wins.

00:07:20.000 And I'm delighted that Governor Kemp is going out and his team is going out and they're doing all they can to help elect Herschel.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, and I hope that there is more of a team mentality versus the runoffs that happened two years ago.

00:07:33.000 Two years ago just felt so fractured and just kind of like a side issue.

00:07:37.000 So, but Mr. Speaker, I want to ask you, you know, going into the midterm elections, you know, I was talking about a realignment election.

00:07:45.000 I know Victor Davis Hansen was.

00:07:47.000 I know you mentioned that as well.

00:07:48.000 Me too.

00:07:49.000 Me too.

00:07:50.000 Yeah, but I just, I'm trying to figure out how, what did we miss in the sense of the independence, right?

00:07:56.000 Because I think that's the one demographic that just didn't quite get there.

00:08:00.000 Is it mostly the McConnell thing, or was there something else hidden?

00:08:04.000 Well, I think there were two other things, one of which I would never quite have imagined.

00:08:10.000 I think there's a one was that they managed to define Republicans, partly based on Trump, partly based just on the sheer rhetoric of that we're the extremist, et cetera.

00:08:21.000 So I think for a lot of people, they created a barrier to voting for us.

00:08:25.000 Although, as I pointed out, we did in fact get far more total votes than the Democrats did.

00:08:32.000 The second thing I think was people, people, and this really surprised me, Charlie, people saw Biden as so weak and so cognitively challenged that they didn't quite blame him.

00:08:47.000 They didn't like his policies.

00:08:49.000 They weren't happy with him.

00:08:51.000 But you didn't have the kind of blame you would have had if he'd been a younger, stronger person.

00:08:56.000 And so, in a funny kind of way, it was kind of like, you know, as somebody once said, the uncle in the closet or the uncle hidden in the attic.

00:09:06.000 They were willing to give him the benefit of a doubt.

00:09:09.000 And frankly, I think that turned out to be the case with Fetterman.

00:09:12.000 I think there was a significant group of people in Pennsylvania who felt sorry for him.

00:09:18.000 And rather than seeing his stroke as having made it impossible for him to serve as a senator, they kind of felt like they didn't want to pile on and make his life even worse.

00:09:29.000 Yeah, in a very strange way, there was definitely a sympathy of vote.

00:09:32.000 But because, I mean, you look at Fetterman, you look at Biden, they're so incapable of talking.

00:09:37.000 It's as if people, swing voters, were not able to hold them accountable or put any responsibility on them of anything that they might do.

00:09:47.000 I just, Mr. Speaker, I got to be honest, we'll talk about this after the break.

00:09:49.000 It's so hard for me to believe that John Fetterman won by the margin he won in Pennsylvania.

00:09:55.000 I'm not saying that, you know, it's just so hard for me to understand that.

00:10:00.000 And the thing I want to talk, Mr. Speaker, about, you know, after the break is how elections have changed into almost who has the better machine.

00:10:10.000 And this really was the Obama vision because it just looks as if now it's about early voting and ballot harvesting and this Act Blue juggernaut they have of raising.

00:10:21.000 I mean, Democrats raised $800 million more dollars just on Act Blue versus Win Red.

00:10:28.000 $800 million.

00:10:30.000 And that doesn't count all their dark money.

00:10:32.000 That doesn't count all their left-wing super PACs or any of that.

00:10:36.000 Mr. Speaker, can you speak a little bit to the fact that it seems as if Democrats were less worried about engaging in debates like Katie Hobbes or Fetterman, but they're more interested in chasing ballots than actually convincing voters?

00:10:50.000 Is it time for us to change the way we think about elections as well?

00:10:54.000 Yeah, look, I think the Republican doctrine for elections is just wrong.

00:10:59.000 It's obsolete.

00:11:00.000 It doesn't fit the modern world.

00:11:02.000 Let me start with something you said just before the break, by the way, and that is that the win-red numbers are much smaller than the Democratic system.

00:11:15.000 Part of that is because as much as it's five or six years behind in development, but part of it is that Google in particular refuses to deliver.

00:11:25.000 And I talked with Ronald McDaniel about this, the Republican National Committee chair before the election.

00:11:31.000 Routinely, the last four days of the month, Google manages to not deliver Republican emails.

00:11:39.000 And so from a fundraising perspective, the largest single delivery system in the country was methodically biased against the win-red and in favor of Act Blue.

00:11:51.000 And that was a factor.

00:11:53.000 The other big difference you put your finger on exactly, and I'm trying to put together now sort of a list of things that we need to learn if we're not going to repeat this in 2024.

00:12:06.000 Democrats focus on winning the election.

00:12:09.000 Republicans focus on campaigning.

00:12:12.000 Part of that, I think, is the way the consulting system works.

00:12:16.000 Republican consultants make a lot of money out of placing TV ads.

00:12:20.000 They have a big bias in favor of media, whether it's effective or not.

00:12:25.000 Democrats start out with the idea that I don't care how the campaign goes.

00:12:29.000 I want to know when it's over, did I win the election?

00:12:32.000 And so, if you watch them, they're much more ruthlessly centered.

00:12:37.000 They start collecting votes much earlier, which means they can tell you who on their base has already voted and who they need to focus on.

00:12:46.000 And we've now been through two cycles where it's very clear that their model is just better than ours.

00:12:52.000 And yet, you have a pretty large political consultant industry, if you will, that has a great deal of commitment to the old order and doesn't want to change.

00:13:02.000 And that's one of the things I would say to everybody who's a donor is that they should really ask carefully whether or not the candidates and the campaigns they're going to support are going to be rethought based on what we've learned.

00:13:14.000 I mean, I think this was a very frustrating election.

00:13:18.000 I certainly was wrong about the outcome.

00:13:21.000 I still look at the data and can't figure it out.

00:13:24.000 And it troubles me a great deal that we did not have a more effective impact given the potential of the repudiation of Biden's policies.

00:13:34.000 Yeah, I mean, you look in Arizona where I live, and we're so focused on Arizona here, where the congressional candidates did very well.

00:13:42.000 Arizona, for the first time in a couple of years, is going to be sending more Republicans to the House of Representatives than Democrats.

00:13:49.000 It used to be the other way. 0.96

00:13:50.000 At the same time, though, Kerry Lake had a three to four point undervote behind the congressional candidates in some of these districts.

00:13:58.000 And it just makes you scratch your head and say, how on earth?

00:14:01.000 And there was not a single leading indicator that showed us that, which is what's so shocking.

00:14:07.000 There wasn't a poll.

00:14:08.000 There wasn't, you know, the door knocking we were doing, the grassroots conversations.

00:14:13.000 And that's my final question, Mr. Speaker: is, you know, there wasn't any of the kind of warning signs, if you will.

00:14:21.000 I think some of the Democrats were more surprised than we were.

00:14:24.000 I think that's right.

00:14:25.000 I mean, many of the pollsters that I trust most were just wrong.

00:14:29.000 And I think they're still scratching their heads trying to figure out what went wrong.

00:14:33.000 And of course, you also had in Mariposa County, which is 60% of the vote in Arizona, you had this weird moment.

00:14:39.000 Imagine that you had been in a county that was overwhelmingly black and they had 20% of the machines didn't work, leading to very, very long lines, to people going home in frustration.

00:14:54.000 You know, it would have become a major national civil rights scandal.

00:14:57.000 Yes.

00:14:58.000 Well, that's what happened in Mariposa County.

00:15:00.000 And frankly, I don't understand how two elections in a row, Mariposa County, can be that bad.

00:15:07.000 I mean, the French have a national election.

00:15:09.000 They count all the votes in one day.

00:15:12.000 It's all over.

00:15:13.000 The Brazilians did the same thing.

00:15:15.000 It was all over.

00:15:16.000 And here we are, you know, two and three weeks later, gradually learning from some of our biggest counties.

00:15:24.000 62% of all voters, and they can't figure it out.

00:15:27.000 Mr. Speaker, looking forward to having you at AmericaFest and great commentary as always.

00:15:31.000 We're not going to give up.

00:15:31.000 Thank you.

00:15:32.000 Really appreciate it.

00:15:33.000 Thank you.

00:15:37.000 Hey, everybody.

00:15:38.000 Charlie Kirk here.

00:15:39.000 Our great country was founded on the principle that all men are created equal.

00:15:43.000 But far too many of our nation's colleges and universities, including those Ivy League schools, continue to insist on using race as a factor of admission.

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00:16:40.000 A lot of people are asking questions about the Maricopa election results.

00:16:47.000 We're going to need to see some lawsuits very soon.

00:16:49.000 Unfortunately, we're up against some pretty significant deadlines when it comes to certification.

00:16:55.000 So I really hope a courageous judge will do the right thing.

00:16:57.000 But we have legitimate examples here.

00:17:00.000 This woman that emailed us this morning, she said, I wanted to vote for the first time since 1981 that she was not able to vote because of the incompetence of Mara Copa County.

00:17:14.000 Kash Patel is with us.

00:17:18.000 Cash, welcome back to the program.

00:17:20.000 What does it mean that there is a special counsel investigating Trump?

00:17:23.000 It means there is an explosion of the politicization of the FBI and DOJ.

00:17:27.000 And just look at this statistic coming from me, a former federal prosecutor.

00:17:31.000 The only two federal prosecutors in DOJ history who were crushed and reversed nine to zero by the Supreme Court for criminal convictions that were vacated because they were unlawful were Andrew Weissman.

00:17:44.000 And you guessed it, the special counsel Merrick Garland just appointed in Jack Smith when he brought the Bob McDonald prosecutions.

00:17:52.000 This is the type of people we have that they say are apolitical figures leading our law enforcement agencies.

00:17:58.000 And if that weren't enough, this guy was the head of public integrity at DOJ when the Lois Lerner scandal broke out of the IRS to target conservative institutions.

00:18:06.000 Yeah, so what are they investigating exactly?

00:18:09.000 I mean, I don't mean that like sarcastically.

00:18:12.000 I can't even keep track.

00:18:13.000 It's like some paperwork dispute, some memorabilia investigation.

00:18:17.000 Well, it keeps changing, Charlie.

00:18:19.000 And, you know, whatever we see in the public is whatever I'm able to talk about.

00:18:22.000 But the DOJ is supposed to be able to prosecute cases across the board.

00:18:28.000 A special counsel only comes in when there's a conflict of interest.

00:18:32.000 They had the U.S. Attorney's Office in D.C. and Maine Justice and the behead that the FBI investigating Trump for however long, and they realized, oh, the midterm elections are over.

00:18:32.000 What do they do?

00:18:42.000 So what's going to happen?

00:18:44.000 That means Congress and the Judiciary Committee specifically, hopefully led by Jim Jordan, is going to come in and say, what are you guys doing about Hunter Biden?

00:18:53.000 Why are you still going after President Trump?

00:18:56.000 And I think Merrick Garland did this to politically protect himself to say, uh-oh, special counsel, if you quote, recall Mueller during Russia Gate, they gave a hard roadblock shutdown once the special counsel was appointed to Congress and said, We can't give you any documents.

00:19:09.000 There's nothing to see here.

00:19:10.000 We are being above board.

00:19:11.000 We appointed a special counsel.

00:19:13.000 This thing is so extraordinary.

00:19:14.000 And so let me get this straight.

00:19:16.000 Can an attorney general appoint unlimited amounts of special counsels?

00:19:19.000 Don't they have to go through Congress?

00:19:19.000 What's the process?

00:19:22.000 No, they do at some point have to get budgeting for it.

00:19:25.000 But an attorney general can, there's a regulation in the code of federal procedure that basically says an attorney general has the authority to appoint a special counsel when there's a conflict of interest, or quote, there is a significant public interest in doing so, which is just a meaningless verbiage for political government gangsters to fulfill the political needs of the DOJ and FBI, which you would think there used to be none.

00:19:49.000 That's why that language was written like that.

00:19:51.000 But that's why I have called for repeatedly a constant, a total overhaul of how special counsels are appointed and who they report to.

00:19:58.000 They only report to the attorney general.

00:20:00.000 They do not report to Congress.

00:20:01.000 That is a shocking conflict of interest in and of itself.

00:20:05.000 So Republicans are going to take over the House.

00:20:07.000 Let's say Jim Jordan is chairman of judiciary.

00:20:10.000 Does he have oversight ability of the special counsel?

00:20:12.000 Yes.

00:20:14.000 The special counsel is still a branch and falls under the Department of Justice.

00:20:18.000 Now, whether we play the hardball that the Democrats did with the unselect committee and issue subpoenas on a daily basis for documents and force people to comply and show up and testify, i.e., Garland, Ray, and all of their goons, that remains to be seen.

00:20:34.000 I think we will see some of that, but it's going to take some serious gumption from our leadership in Congress when we take the gavels at the House come January in order for that to happen.

00:20:43.000 Then I just remind them: look at the rules they treated us by.

00:20:47.000 They created them.

00:20:48.000 We need to use those same rules to have accountability because it's not going to come from this DOJ and FBI.

00:20:54.000 Yeah.

00:20:54.000 And so, I mean, what would Jim Jordan do?

00:20:56.000 I mean, you're talking about, you're talking about subpoenas, you're talking about oversight.

00:21:01.000 But, you know, Cash, let's kind of get into this.

00:21:03.000 You've worked on every side of this.

00:21:05.000 You know, you worked in Congress.

00:21:06.000 You've worked in the White House.

00:21:09.000 You've worked, you were chief of staff at DOD, all sorts of different things.

00:21:12.000 So, my question is: how should this Congress operate, okay, in its ideal sense, okay, in its ideal way to be able to actually get this fourth branch of government to come to heal?

00:21:28.000 Cash, we have Christopher Wray who thinks so low of Republican senators that he cancels a hearing and goes to the FBI taxpayer-funded Gulf Stream and flies to the Adirondacks.

00:21:47.000 How do we change this, Cash?

00:21:49.000 One simple answer, which I outlined in my adult book coming out in the spring called Government Gangsters.

00:21:55.000 You take their money.

00:21:56.000 It's the only thing that these people ever respond to.

00:21:59.000 And remember, the budgeting process starts and ends in the House of Representatives.

00:22:03.000 Yes, the Senate has to approve it, but it starts and ends in the House.

00:22:06.000 And what the committees have the power to do, what we did one time, because Paul Ryan wouldn't let me do it again during Russia Gate when we issued 17 subpoenas and Rod Rosenstein and Chris Ray failed to comply.

00:22:17.000 It's called this maneuver called fencing the money.

00:22:20.000 When you fence the money, you literally put up an imaginary fence around pots of money that these agencies and departments use to operate.

00:22:28.000 The next morning, after fencing the money, I got thousands of pages of documents produced to us with the media see, including the Bruce North 302s, the FISA warrants, the FBI corruption, and everything we now know about.

00:22:40.000 I think Jim Jordan has this exact same maneuverability.

00:22:43.000 He's just going to need top cover from Republican leadership, such as Kevin McCarthy, if he's a speaker.

00:22:48.000 And so I hope he gets it.

00:22:49.000 Yeah.

00:22:49.000 So let's.

00:22:51.000 So, so is this mechanics of fencing the money?

00:22:55.000 Is that a difficult measure or does it just take courage?

00:22:59.000 I mean, just like, I mean, I'm just, I'm a layman here.

00:23:02.000 So walk me through it.

00:23:03.000 No, it's literally the easiest thing you can do.

00:23:06.000 Why is it not always done?

00:23:07.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:23:08.000 Why is it not always done?

00:23:09.000 Why is it some sort of trick we have to pull out, I guess?

00:23:13.000 I think, I guess, going back to when there was bipartisan legislatures, which that's totally gone, and you had respect between Congress and the executive branch, subpoenas weren't ignored.

00:23:13.000 Sure.

00:23:24.000 Rules weren't broken.

00:23:25.000 Laws weren't defied.

00:23:26.000 And two systems of justice weren't created.

00:23:29.000 But now, this isn't even anything that requires a serious procedural vote or any of that nonsense, all those gymnastics in Congress.

00:23:35.000 You, as the committee chair and head of that committee with the majority, can go to the FBI and DOJ and say, okay, here's our request.

00:23:43.000 Here's the documents we want.

00:23:44.000 Here's a subpoena.

00:23:46.000 And here's the deadline.

00:23:47.000 And if you don't bring it to us, we will bring you to heal by taking your money.

00:23:52.000 It's simple.

00:23:53.000 Yeah, I'm not confident.

00:23:54.000 So do you think this Republic, I know that's speculation.

00:23:57.000 Do you think this Republican Congress has the stones or the spine to do that?

00:24:01.000 I think guys like Jim Jordan do.

00:24:04.000 Again, he's going to need either, this gets a little complicated.

00:24:07.000 You either need the speaker of the house to approve it, or you need the speaker of the house to delegate it to the chairman and women of the respective committees so that they don't have to go to him, which is why we had to go to Paul Ryan and he only let me do it one time.

00:24:19.000 And the dam broke that one time.

00:24:20.000 And when we went back, Paul Ryan said, no, I'm not going to let you do that again.

00:24:25.000 Again, I think the answer is yes, obviously.

00:24:27.000 But if the Democrats control the Senate, you could still do this.

00:24:30.000 Oh, 100%.

00:24:31.000 Has nothing to do with whatever's going on in the Senate.

00:24:34.000 The Committee of Jurisdiction is the committee with the majority, and there's a Senate and a House for that.

00:24:38.000 So this is very big.

00:24:39.000 I hope everyone understands this.

00:24:40.000 So this is a matter of tactics, right?

00:24:43.000 So that if this new Republican Congress, Jim Jordan and all these people, we have a lot of answers we need to get, right, Cash?

00:24:50.000 A lot of answers about a lot of different things.

00:24:53.000 You're talking about fencing in the money, which we have to do out of the gate to actually put this in jeopardy.

00:25:00.000 Now, does that then eventually lead to a government shutdown?

00:25:03.000 Or do you think that they move quicker than that?

00:25:06.000 No, that's a great question.

00:25:07.000 So I'm not for, and I've never said we should take all of their money.

00:25:10.000 What fencing does, instead of getting involved in the budgeting process, which is the most arcane thing you can think of, it literally just says, oh, you got 5 million bucks for your government jet that you're using to take on vacation.

00:25:21.000 I'm putting a hold on that.

00:25:22.000 Okay, so get it.

00:25:23.000 So I see what you're saying.

00:25:24.000 So you identify the measures and the light items that are close to their comfort.

00:25:31.000 Exactly.

00:25:32.000 And it's easy to find that stuff out.

00:25:34.000 Easy.

00:25:35.000 Oh, you need $100 million so you can buy 10 new Cadillacs.

00:25:39.000 Yeah, that's on hold.

00:25:40.000 And you find the ones that are, yeah, going to be very applicable.

00:25:43.000 I mean, like office renovations or I mean, just silly type of stuff.

00:25:49.000 I mean, private jet, Codels, right?

00:25:51.000 Or not Codels, but that equivalent, right?

00:25:54.000 International trips.

00:25:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:56.000 Fancy, fancy, you know, trips with members of the FBI and whatnot.

00:26:00.000 You shut those down too.

00:26:01.000 I'm not saying you shut down like health care and salaries and basic investigative monies.

00:26:06.000 You don't need to do that.

00:26:07.000 There's enough pots of money where you can put seven-figure fences up overnight.

00:26:11.000 Yeah.

00:26:12.000 And so, I mean, what would the example then be for DHS?

00:26:15.000 Whatever kind of above-life, you know, above-luxury thing that Maorkis is enjoying, right?

00:26:21.000 Some sort of, you know, excess of the ruling class.

00:26:24.000 I mean, you just, what you're saying is that this Republican Congress, instead of just going after all their funding, which makes it look like you're then trying to make it so they can't do their job, you hold hostage their hot tubs, their jacuzzis, their private jets, their champagne dinners.

00:26:40.000 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 I mean, basically, you look, you know, the difference between Republicans and conservatives and liberals is that they want to grow government.

00:26:45.000 So when you go to DHS, you go to Foreign Affairs, the Foreign Affairs Committee has jurisdiction over DHS and you say, hey, Majorkis, I know you want to hire a thousand more DHS personnel.

00:26:55.000 Well, that pot of money is now fenced and you can't do it.

00:26:58.000 And they will break immediately.

00:27:00.000 They always break immediately when you take their money.

00:27:04.000 And you don't have to even be that creative.

00:27:06.000 It doesn't exactly, as I said, it doesn't have to go to daily operations, like actually protecting the border, but it can go to nonsense.

00:27:13.000 Like, remember the disinformation board?

00:27:14.000 Somebody had to fund that disinformation board.

00:27:17.000 That's somebody with Congress.

00:27:18.000 And a committee could have just said, nope, that $5 million is staying right here.

00:27:24.000 That's incredibly smart.

00:27:26.000 So, and you go department by department.

00:27:30.000 And if they're not producing documents and they're not playing ball, I mean, if the IRS or the DHS or DOJ, you can just go one by one.

00:27:38.000 You can go multiple at a time.

00:27:40.000 And it's not even department by department.

00:27:41.000 It's investigation by investigation.

00:27:43.000 Hunter Biden's laptop, the border, the drug trade, healthcare, education, DOJ, FBI, Chris Ray's private jet, special counsel.

00:27:52.000 You can just keep going down the list.

00:27:54.000 It's very smart.

00:27:55.000 Cash, I want to talk about your books.

00:27:56.000 Can you just plug your books?

00:27:57.000 You got 45 seconds.

00:27:58.000 Plug your books.

00:27:59.000 Yeah, plotagainsteking.com, best-selling kids' books in America, Plot Against the King series.

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00:29:39.000 I want to get to some questions here.

00:29:42.000 Charlie, I'm super frustrated.

00:29:44.000 I've listened to what you've said.

00:29:46.000 And when are we going to start to see lawsuits and people held accountable?

00:29:50.000 Look, there needs to be a massive change in the way that we do lawfare, in the way that we handle our lead up to game day.

00:30:01.000 We, and I use we, broadcasted our big move.

00:30:04.000 We said, hey, we're going to show up on game day.

00:30:07.000 We're going to flood the system.

00:30:08.000 Now, mind you, there were plenty of precautions and warnings that we offered.

00:30:13.000 There were times where we said, hey, it could be a traffic jam.

00:30:16.000 It could get clogged up.

00:30:17.000 You know, things could be happening here.

00:30:20.000 Probably didn't emphasize that enough, to be honest.

00:30:23.000 And the other side, they listened and they said, oh, really?

00:30:25.000 You're going to beat us on game day?

00:30:27.000 Huh?

00:30:28.000 Well, what if there's a toner issue with the tabulators?

00:30:32.000 What if there's lines so long as far as the eye can see?

00:30:36.000 And then all of a sudden, things start to add up.

00:30:38.000 And Anthem has two and a half hour waits, and Wickenburg has an hour wait, and Scottsdale has an hour wait.

00:30:43.000 I do want to play a piece of tape here from a Salem Radio Network event that we did when we were talking about maybe people should vote early.

00:30:51.000 I wish I would have said this more often.

00:30:53.000 And boy, did I learn my lesson.

00:30:54.000 Play Cut 44.

00:30:56.000 But there's something I'm very worried about that all of you need to get serious about.

00:31:00.000 You guys can make a difference.

00:31:01.000 How many of you plan to vote on election day?

00:31:03.000 Raise your hands.

00:31:04.000 Yeah, this is going to be a problem.

00:31:05.000 Maricopa County cannot facilitate all of you.

00:31:08.000 I'm telling you right now, they are creating a traffic jam, and it's going to deter conservative turnout.

00:31:14.000 So we got to fix it.

00:31:15.000 I'm telling you right now, we are going to see three, four, five, six-hour waiting lines in Maricopa County, and Mesa, in Goodyear, in Sun City.

00:31:24.000 And unless you're ready to wait six hours to go vote, then we got to figure this out.

00:31:28.000 So, how do we figure it out?

00:31:29.000 I'm not a fan of mail-in voting at all, but in-person early voting should not be discounted unless you want to wait three or four hours in line.

00:31:37.000 I think we are going to see a traffic jam designed by Steven Richard, designed previously by Fontes, that criminal that used to be in there.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, that was in front of about 600 grassroots voters.

00:31:52.000 And that was, yeah, it turned out to be right.

00:31:56.000 Kash Patel, appreciate it.

00:31:58.000 Thanks for sticking with us.

00:31:59.000 Cash, there's a lot of people that are asking about, you know, Donald Trump running in 2024.

00:32:06.000 I mean, some people are saying the special prosecutor, special counsel is only going to, it's going to take a couple years to unfold.

00:32:13.000 What is the timeline or the horizon on some of these things?

00:32:16.000 So by definition, there is no timeline.

00:32:19.000 There's a mandate that Merrick Garland hopefully will put out, which is a piece of paper that says, you, Mr. Special Counsel, this is your left.

00:32:26.000 This is your right.

00:32:27.000 This is what you're investigating.

00:32:28.000 He hasn't released that.

00:32:30.000 So we have to wait and see what that is.

00:32:31.000 But generally, we know what he's going after.

00:32:33.000 And there is unfortunately no timeline.

00:32:35.000 The only restraint is budget.

00:32:37.000 And a special counsel has to come back to DOJ and eventually Congress for a budget.

00:32:42.000 So knowing the way these government gangsters operate, Chris Ray and Merrick Garland Company and Lisa Monico and John Carlin, guys I used to literally work for, they've at least probably set him up with a budget that he can go on for at least a year.

00:32:55.000 But beyond that, it's probably going to take a little more.

00:32:57.000 But look, you remember Mueller, it takes three more, three, four months to set this thing up.

00:33:01.000 He's still in Holland or wherever he is in The Hague doing whatever.

00:33:05.000 He's not even going to be here for a couple of months.

00:33:08.000 So this thing really won't even get going until maybe early next year.

00:33:14.000 And then he's just got time.

00:33:15.000 Do you think it's a punt?

00:33:17.000 Do you think that they're trying to punt on this because they don't have the goods?

00:33:19.000 I mean, this is such an extraordinary thing.

00:33:22.000 I think it's twofold.

00:33:24.000 It's a partial punt to say, okay, we are going to keep the blood in the water.

00:33:28.000 And the way we do that is by saying we have a special counsel looking into it.

00:33:31.000 And you guys, the public, are not allowed to see behind the curtain.

00:33:34.000 And you guys, Congress, which takes us to part two.

00:33:36.000 With the Republican majority coming up, a Congress could have gone in there and seen a lot of this investigation and done some oversight.

00:33:43.000 What Merrick Garland and Chris Ray will do is say this is a special counsel ongoing investigation.

00:33:48.000 But we circle back to what we were talking about.

00:33:50.000 Doesn't matter.

00:33:50.000 It doesn't change the oversight.

00:33:52.000 You want your money.

00:33:53.000 You give us the information.

00:33:56.000 Yeah.

00:33:56.000 And that's what we need to.

00:33:58.000 I mean, if do you think that this could eventually be timed up right when Donald Trump is a general election nominee two years from now?

00:34:07.000 I mean, that would violate literally the only thing that DOJ keeps saying they'll never violate.

00:34:11.000 But I know you're laughing and I am too.

00:34:13.000 But if they would bring an indictment in and around an election cycle, I mean, that's literally written in DOJ, like the, you know, there's no Bible over there, but the equivalent of it that says you don't do that.

00:34:23.000 But we've seen these guys just create their own rules and maybe they will.

00:34:26.000 Maybe their plan, though, is just to keep Donald Trump on the defensive with such an onslaught of leaks of information.

00:34:35.000 And instead of indicting him, they'll just have basically a media headline indictment every week, which they might think is good enough to wound him.

00:34:43.000 It's going to be interesting.

00:34:44.000 Cash, plug your book again, please.

00:34:46.000 Yeah, plotagainsteking.com.

00:34:48.000 It's more critical ever than now, especially in Nevada and Arizona, where we learned the hard way how elections were basically taken away from us.

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00:35:20.000 Very good.

00:35:20.000 Cash, thank you so much.

00:35:22.000 Appreciate it.

00:35:22.000 Thanks, guys.

00:35:23.000 Have a great day.

00:35:24.000 Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:26.000 Look, Arizona is ground zero for all of this.

00:35:28.000 We got to start to see some lawsuits.

00:35:31.000 And by the way, Cochise County, Gila County, and Yavapai are not going to certify their election results.

00:35:37.000 They are standing in solidarity together.

00:35:39.000 I hope Mojave does the same thing.

00:35:41.000 You cannot put up in a sophisticated, wealthy country, two to three hour lines when there was warning after warning after warning after warning.

00:35:51.000 People were suppressed and disenfranchised.

00:35:52.000 We're not going to let this one go.

00:35:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:56.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:59.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:00.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 22, 2022

The “Obsolete” GOP Election Model with Newt Gingrich and Kash Patel

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