The Charlie Kirk Show - The One College That ISN’T a Scam with Dr. Larry Arnn

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, we have Dr. Larry Arn from Hillsdale College to talk about who's sovereign when it comes to education.

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00:01:09.000 With us right now is someone I consider to be a teacher of mine.

00:01:12.000 In fact, I mention him and Hillsdale College extensively in my new book out today.

00:01:17.000 Now, the book is called The College Scam, but in the introduction of the book, I have to make the proper, let's just say, nuance.

00:01:24.000 I have to communicate the proper nuance where I say, quote, as I make clear in this book, not all colleges are equally corrupt or involved in this scam.

00:01:32.000 If every college had a mission statement, like that of Hillsdale College, for example, my criticism would be quite different.

00:01:38.000 If every school had a president like Hillsdale's Dr. Larry Arn, a leader who unapologetically contends for truth, liberty, and the development of good character, then my critique would be mostly about job placement and the cost of college.

00:01:50.000 I mentioned Hillsdale throughout this book because Hillsdale has earned it and deserves it.

00:01:54.000 And Hillsdale has been in the news a little bit.

00:01:56.000 And with us is Dr. Larry Arn to help us explain that and some other things that are going on.

00:02:01.000 Dr. Arne, welcome back to the program.

00:02:03.000 How are you doing, Charlie?

00:02:05.000 I'm doing well.

00:02:06.000 So Dr. Arne, recently you criticized the education bureaucracy without any hesitation and they're lashing back.

00:02:13.000 Who has the authority in the classroom, parents or politicians?

00:02:17.000 Yeah, well, that's actually an easy argument.

00:02:23.000 First of all, everybody owns himself, right?

00:02:26.000 You own Charlie Kirk.

00:02:28.000 You're responsible for him.

00:02:29.000 Nobody can take you over and make you do what you want without your consent.

00:02:34.000 Well, children are exactly the same with one difference.

00:02:38.000 They haven't reached the age of majority.

00:02:41.000 And so their parents stand in for them.

00:02:44.000 And as anybody who's been a parent, that's a kind of a dance that goes on when kids grow up because as they grow, you have to let them go.

00:02:54.000 But in the meantime, who better than the ones who are deeply devoted to them by nature, ones who gave rise to them, to make judgments on their behalf?

00:03:06.000 And so this claim, I mean, Terry McAuliffe running for re-election or coming back to the governorship of Virginia, he basically just said blankly, parents shouldn't tell the schools what to do.

00:03:20.000 And that's, you know, just read 1984, read Brave New World, right?

00:03:26.000 I learned something from Betsy DeVos the other day.

00:03:29.000 She's got a new book out called Hostages No More.

00:03:34.000 And I had not known until she published the book that Horace Mann, the 19th century education figure in America, said that the children were hostages.

00:03:46.000 Now think about that.

00:03:47.000 What does hostages mean?

00:03:48.000 That means that they are held to control someone else, their parents.

00:03:54.000 And so, yeah, that's, it's crazy, this idea that somebody can have any kind of expertise that could substitute for the responsibility of parents.

00:04:06.000 So that's, and that's where we are.

00:04:08.000 The whole bureaucracy is built on this idea that only experts can figure things out.

00:04:15.000 And that leaves nothing for ordinary people to do, like raise their children.

00:04:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:04:22.000 And so in Tennessee, Hillsdale College's Barney Charter Program has been expanding and has been making a big impact.

00:04:30.000 And so you said very clearly that the authority must be in the parents and the stake must be in the parents' decision.

00:04:37.000 And the teacher unions and this massive education bureaucracy, they have been seeking to strengthen and grow their monopoly by opposing parents' wishes for school choice.

00:04:50.000 And this issue is playing out all over in Tennessee right now where unions and school boards and legislators, you could say they're rallying around this inaccurate coverage by the media to shut down charter schools.

00:05:02.000 And I just want to say, you know, Dr. Arne, we have your back completely here.

00:05:06.000 I thought what you said was spot on and the way you clarified it in the op-ed was really, really well done as well.

00:05:13.000 Can you just fill our audience in a little bit about some of the drama happening down in Tennessee?

00:05:18.000 Well, yeah, so we're intending to start a bunch of charter schools in Tennessee.

00:05:26.000 Governor Lee requested that I do that.

00:05:29.000 We do that.

00:05:30.000 And we're working on it.

00:05:31.000 And it'll be a lot.

00:05:32.000 And it's a big job, costs millions of dollars.

00:05:35.000 We're working hard on it.

00:05:38.000 And remember, the college doesn't take any money from any government entity.

00:05:43.000 And that means a charter school, which is a government entity, never gives us any money.

00:05:49.000 We had this last summer, close to 700 parents, I think, on campus for 10 days.

00:05:55.000 We paid for that.

00:05:56.000 Sorry, did I say parents?

00:05:58.000 Teachers.

00:05:58.000 Teachers come and they do workshops with each other and with us.

00:06:03.000 And we pay for all that because we don't want to be beholden.

00:06:07.000 And there's the rub because the public education is a massive bureaucracy.

00:06:12.000 In some ways, it's the heart.

00:06:14.000 It's the fountain and the heart of the administrative state.

00:06:19.000 And it, you know, I mean, it's a scandal.

00:06:22.000 Why are there more people working in public education who are not teachers than those who are?

00:06:28.000 What do those others do?

00:06:30.000 In a charter school, that number will be two to one in favor of the teachers or more.

00:06:36.000 And what are the rest of them employed to do?

00:06:38.000 They eat up more than half the money because their average salaries are higher.

00:06:43.000 And so, in other words, there's a great system of control that's grown up remote from parents and teachers too, for that matter.

00:06:54.000 My father was a high school teacher in Pocahontas, Arkansas, and he found his happiness doing that.

00:07:00.000 He never had two nickels to rub together.

00:07:03.000 And he just loved being a school teacher.

00:07:08.000 And toward the end, Bill Clinton was elected governor.

00:07:12.000 Hillary Clinton was placed in charge of the Arkansas schools.

00:07:17.000 And he used to complain about them.

00:07:20.000 And what they were doing to the schools, which is basically making rule at the central place that would change the school where I went.

00:07:29.000 And that's, you know, I've spent way too many, I like to say I spent many years learning complicated reasons why my father was right.

00:07:41.000 But one thing he was right about was it is not a matter of expertise to teach a kid.

00:07:48.000 If it was, homeschoolers wouldn't work, and yet they do work.

00:07:54.000 Ordinary people, you're involved with some private schools now, Charlie, and ordinary people have started most of those schools.

00:08:00.000 And they can be excellent schools.

00:08:03.000 It isn't easy.

00:08:04.000 It's hard.

00:08:06.000 But it just takes work and accumulation of knowledge and care for the students.

00:08:14.000 So, you know, in K through 12 education, almost nothing is taught that ordinary people are not fully able to understand.

00:08:25.000 And if you can understand a thing, you can teach it.

00:08:28.000 And so in our charter schools, in our college, parents are welcome.

00:08:35.000 We set the curriculum.

00:08:37.000 They know what it is in advance.

00:08:39.000 If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.

00:08:42.000 If they do like it and they want to help improve it, we're all ears.

00:08:46.000 And so that's the way the schools used to work in America.

00:08:50.000 And there's very powerful interest gathered around education.

00:08:55.000 And more than half the budget of every state is in education, in the public education.

00:09:04.000 But more than half the employees in public education are not teachers.

00:09:10.000 That is the entire story, that more than half of all the expenditures in education does not go to teachers.

00:09:20.000 It goes to administrative overhead, goes to all of these other different projects, and who knows what exactly it is.

00:09:25.000 Hillsdale College, to important reinforcements, Hillsdale College is ambitiously expanding the effort to be able to educate students in the classical model.

00:09:36.000 Dr. Arne is now being attacked, and so is Hillsdale College, by all of the government unions and all the special interests in Tennessee.

00:09:44.000 And I just hope every politician in D.C. hears it from me that they better not give an inch to this because Hillsdale College is doing such phenomenal work and misrepresentations and a smear campaign from government unions.

00:09:56.000 We're not going to put up with that.

00:09:57.000 It's not going to happen.

00:09:58.000 The education of our children is too important.

00:10:00.000 We got to find a way.

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00:11:09.000 What is the classical way of educating?

00:11:12.000 And why do you believe that is the best way that children learn?

00:11:16.000 Well, first of all, classics, that means the first addressings of the biggest questions in the West happened in the East, too, in a different way, but it's hard to know everything.

00:11:29.000 And so you can get everything you need by beginning with the Greeks and the Romans and the Christian, early Christians.

00:11:35.000 So what is everything you need to know?

00:11:38.000 Emphatically, by the way, you don't begin an education with contemporary politics.

00:11:45.000 First, you have to know what politics are.

00:11:48.000 And you have to know what everything else is, too.

00:11:52.000 First, you have to know what are you?

00:11:56.000 What do you need to know?

00:11:58.000 Those are the questions that Socrates asks.

00:12:01.000 And so, classical education is an encouragement to step outside everything around you today and think deeply and permanently before you begin your active life.

00:12:14.000 Also, classical education rightly identifies, I mean, it's not the only place this happened, rightly identifies what are the human skills.

00:12:23.000 What is it that people do that other creatures don't?

00:12:27.000 And the answer to that in school is reading, writing, and arithmetic.

00:12:32.000 So, classical education wants to get really good at those things because that's how you navigate and understand and see the world if you have a human soul.

00:12:44.000 And so, it excludes huge ancillary things that are now the main subject matter of school.

00:12:56.000 Critical race theory.

00:12:57.000 That's a claim about the nature of the human soul.

00:13:01.000 Before you can understand that claim, you have to understand what a soul is.

00:13:06.000 How does it know?

00:13:07.000 What kind?

00:13:08.000 And see, there's a debate about that, right?

00:13:10.000 That's somewhat different in Plato than Aristotle, very different in critical race theory.

00:13:17.000 Start with the things at the beginning and work your way up.

00:13:20.000 That's what classical education does.

00:13:23.000 And understanding that we are the speaking beings, as you would say, that if you have children or if you have, you know, dogs, one will start speaking and one will not, and can differentiate more than just the difference between pleasure and pain, but also good and evil.

00:13:40.000 And Hillsdale College is the premier institution that believes in classical education and wants to see it continue to grow.

00:13:50.000 There is a desire from parents right now that want to embrace the classical model.

00:13:56.000 Why is it that the administrative state and specifically government teacher unions are so threatened by the classical model of education?

00:14:05.000 Why is that at odds with a technocratic expert way of governing?

00:14:11.000 It's in that word you just said, techne, right?

00:14:14.000 Techne is one of the prime human activities.

00:14:17.000 It means art or making technology.

00:14:21.000 It means making stuff.

00:14:23.000 And so, technocrats think, and crat comes from archae, which means rule, the rule of the experts.

00:14:32.000 And technocrats think of themselves as making things.

00:14:36.000 But school is not like that.

00:14:38.000 And it mustn't be like that.

00:14:40.000 It's an injustice to make it like that.

00:14:42.000 What you're doing is you're helping something grow.

00:14:46.000 And the growth is in it, right?

00:14:49.000 Every kid wants to know.

00:14:50.000 That's the first line of Aristotle's metaphysics.

00:14:53.000 I mean, I was writing something about this today because I have a 19-month-old granddaughter and a two-month-old grandson living near here.

00:15:03.000 And I just get an instruction in human nature every time they come over.

00:15:06.000 And they come over a lot.

00:15:08.000 And the joy and delight of them learning to be participating in conversations.

00:15:16.000 And how do they learn to do that?

00:15:18.000 They hear what they say and what we say and they repeat it.

00:15:24.000 And they eventually divine the meaning in it.

00:15:27.000 And then they talk to us.

00:15:30.000 And then when we show understanding, that's just the very definition of joy.

00:15:35.000 And that's because they want to know by nature.

00:15:40.000 You know, we've abandoned phonics.

00:15:44.000 All phonics, it just means sound, the Greek word sound.

00:15:47.000 All phonics does is take the natural fact that they've learned to talk and apply that to reading.

00:15:54.000 Kids love phonics, it's exciting because what you do is you learn to sound out the words, and then in three or four steps, all of a sudden the word appears.

00:16:09.000 You know, book.

00:16:12.000 And they go, book, oh, you see, that's the first steps in learning in school.

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00:19:05.000 Veronica says, Charlie, congratulations on the new book, The College Scam.

00:19:10.000 You're so right, by the way.

00:19:11.000 College is a scam.

00:19:12.000 My husband and I both have PhDs in our respective engineering fields.

00:19:16.000 During our time in grad school, we truly saw the underbelly of academia.

00:19:20.000 We then worked for a large corporation for about 10 years.

00:19:22.000 Many of the younger engineers didn't even know the basic physics fundamentals.

00:19:27.000 Makes you kind of wonder what they were learning in college.

00:19:30.000 My husband and I have been together for 20 years, married for 17 years, and just welcomed our fourth child.

00:19:35.000 I stay at home now and started, and he started his own consulting business that may grow into something more entrepreneurial.

00:19:40.000 Good.

00:19:41.000 Our older kids are nine, seven, and four.

00:19:42.000 And when I think of them going to college, I cringe at the thought.

00:19:46.000 While my husband and I did learn essential physics concepts in college, I've wondered if a tech program focus wouldn't produce better engineers.

00:19:56.000 Recall all those young engineers who went to college and couldn't perform basic physics.

00:20:01.000 Thank you for all you do and keep up the great work.

00:20:03.000 P.S., you're right about the essential work of plumbers.

00:20:06.000 My father-in-law is a plumber.

00:20:08.000 He is well respected in our community.

00:20:11.000 He's always so busy, and his work is so important.

00:20:15.000 Question here from Carrie.

00:20:18.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:20:19.000 My name is Jackie.

00:20:21.000 I have a daughter that has three years of college and no degree.

00:20:24.000 It's not willing to go back to finish COVID took care of that and has a good amount of debt.

00:20:28.000 I wish I would have may have heard of you four years ago.

00:20:30.000 I've seen that you've written a book about college scams, but wondering if you could point my daughter in a direction of how to pay off her debt.

00:20:36.000 Any suggestions you might have would be certainly be appreciated.

00:20:39.000 Thank you.

00:20:39.000 Well, look, first, if she has three years already under her belt, there might be an argument just to be to finish it off because at that point, you already have the debt and the liability, and you might as well just get the piece of paper at that point if you're already three, you know, three years into it.

00:20:57.000 So you might as well do that.

00:20:59.000 Okay, another question here.

00:21:01.000 Charlie, when do you have time to write a book?

00:21:03.000 Does he write his, do you write your books during commercials?

00:21:06.000 CollegeScam.com.

00:21:08.000 So this is something that has been a long labor.

00:21:12.000 Let me tell you this.

00:21:12.000 This has not been an overnight thing.

00:21:15.000 These ideas I had formed in speeches and lectures.

00:21:19.000 And so the first thing I did when I wrote the book is I got a team together, a research team, and I said, I need to compile all the different speeches that I have given on this topic.

00:21:30.000 And so I re-listened to all of them and got them transcribed.

00:21:34.000 And then I said, okay, I know that I've read some of these things on this stuff over the years.

00:21:39.000 So then we went on about a year or two years of a research, literal blitz of just piles and piles of articles and studies.

00:21:49.000 And I mean, it was a huge amount of deep research.

00:21:55.000 But the thinking that went into this book was a decade.

00:21:57.000 This was a decade of thinking about this, where I was just, man, this doesn't make sense.

00:22:01.000 This isn't fitting.

00:22:02.000 So it wasn't just like, wow, I'm going to do this overnight.

00:22:05.000 These arguments have become almost extensions of my commentary.

00:22:11.000 From the earliest days when I was going on Fox business to just recently last week, the message really has remained the same that you're not really getting what you're paying for, guys.

00:22:19.000 You really shouldn't be going.

00:22:21.000 And I do have to give a shout out.

00:22:22.000 I'm going on his program tomorrow, Dennis Prager.

00:22:25.000 Prager played a huge role in giving me the confidence to talk about this topic.

00:22:28.000 He really did.

00:22:29.000 Because he, being a remarkably educated man, saying that college is a scam and not worth it, it's like, wow, you know, I believe it.

00:22:37.000 But now he has the courage to say it and gave me more kind of, let's just say, of an attitude that I was willing to talk about it.

00:22:46.000 And so throughout the book, you'll see, and again, this was kind of a part-time project because obviously I was hosting three hours of radio every day and traveling 300 days a year and speaking all across the country and doing Turning Point USA and all these different things, is that I tried to fit some current news items.

00:23:04.000 And so, for example, when I first started this book, COVID wasn't a thing.

00:23:08.000 But I believe the academic industrial complex actually defends and built the medical industrial complex.

00:23:19.000 And cut, not cut six, but in chapter six, you see how college indoctrinates students and repress speech.

00:23:25.000 And so all these pieces are together.

00:23:27.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:23:29.000 Madeline said, Charlie, numerous years ago, my brother got a master's degree of history at Harvard.

00:23:34.000 He said the only benefit was being able to put it on his resume because he didn't learn anything while he was there.

00:23:39.000 Next thing here.

00:23:40.000 Grace, Charlie, I did not go to college.

00:23:42.000 I'm now 22 and don't regret one bit.

00:23:44.000 It's so nice to not have debt and not be trapped by a degree or a job I hate.

00:23:47.000 I 100% recommend not going to college.

00:23:48.000 And personally, I want to marry someone who did not go to college as I think it makes men weaker.

00:23:53.000 Pretty basic.

00:23:56.000 Let's go to this one here.

00:23:58.000 Charlie, I went to college between 2001 and 2006.

00:24:01.000 I got a BA in economics.

00:24:03.000 It was completely useless.

00:24:04.000 I happened to take a few programming classes in school, and that's how I got my first job.

00:24:08.000 So the classes he took for programming, not economics, is what helped him.

00:24:12.000 All my first employer cared about was that I could write programs to work with survey data.

00:24:16.000 Let me pause.

00:24:17.000 This is the thing I want to, actually, I got to reiterate this, Andrew, in a lot of the media we're doing.

00:24:21.000 These people that are in the coding, you take a six-week coding class or how to write, what does he say?

00:24:28.000 How to write programs?

00:24:30.000 It's that's a huge talent.

00:24:32.000 So people say, Charlie, what is the skill that you need?

00:24:34.000 And I talked about this on stage with Greg Gutfeld, and I'm going to be on Greg Gutfeld's show tonight.

00:24:39.000 The skill that would be the most necessary is if you can write, you can get a job anywhere.

00:24:46.000 Greg and I talked about it.

00:24:47.000 You missed it, Andrew.

00:24:48.000 Andrew's standing in applause.

00:24:49.000 Greg and I talked about this for 20 minutes.

00:24:50.000 It's a lost art.

00:24:51.000 And I admit, I am not naturally a gifted writer.

00:24:55.000 Andrew thinks I'm a gifted writer.

00:24:57.000 I hold myself to a much higher standard.

00:25:00.000 I'm a good messenger.

00:25:01.000 There are some, I will say this: Tucker Carlson is a phenomenal writer.

00:25:04.000 He's a fabulous writer.

00:25:05.000 But I've become a better writer.

00:25:08.000 I've become better at writing because of how much I put into it.

00:25:12.000 And I read a ton.

00:25:13.000 And so what I'm saying, though, is I'm naturally a good speaker.

00:25:16.000 Okay.

00:25:16.000 I didn't have to, I was born a good speaker.

00:25:18.000 It's just who I am.

00:25:19.000 I am not naturally a good writer.

00:25:22.000 Of course, I'm an above average, right?

00:25:23.000 You put me in a room.

00:25:24.000 I could write fine.

00:25:26.000 The point is that I had to work at it.

00:25:28.000 And the more I have had to write, the better I have become.

00:25:33.000 And so Andrew says, your marketing instincts are good and your language has become better.

00:25:38.000 Yeah.

00:25:38.000 And so it just takes work over time.

00:25:39.000 But so if you're listening to this right now, you're like, what's a skill I could get?

00:25:42.000 Go write, write every single day.

00:25:46.000 They don't teach writing in college.

00:25:48.000 They don't.

00:25:49.000 I see that these kids are applying for jobs and their vocabulary is sloppy.

00:25:54.000 Andrew just said right here, the hardest thing for us to hire at Turning Point USA and the Charlie Kirk show is someone who knows how to write.

00:26:01.000 I completely agree.

00:26:02.000 Justin said that, who does our fundraising at Turning Point USA?

00:26:05.000 He said, we cannot find good writers.

00:26:07.000 When we do, we snatch them up immediately.

00:26:08.000 And this just confirms the college scam.

00:26:10.000 You'd think it would be one thing that they would know how to do is to write.

00:26:14.000 And the writing skills, the diction, it's declined terribly.

00:26:19.000 The vocabulary, my goodness.

00:26:22.000 So Scott continues.

00:26:25.000 Someone just emailed us, but can they text well?

00:26:29.000 Exactly.

00:26:31.000 Scott continues in the email.

00:26:32.000 A few years ago, I started graduate school for a MA in statistics.

00:26:36.000 About two years in, I realized I would take a pay cut because the starting level jobs paid less in the current programming career.

00:26:42.000 So I dropped out and focused on learning more programming languages and how to solve more problems for an employer.

00:26:48.000 And that is what employers want.

00:26:49.000 They need people to solve problems, not useless degrees in feminism or CRT.

00:26:53.000 I am now a senior data engineer, a fancy term for programmer that makes my liberal peers feel important.

00:26:58.000 I make $125,000 a year without the fancy computer science or engineering degree my peers did.

00:27:03.000 So Scott is confirmation of my book because Scott has a degree in economics, but he doesn't have a job in the degree he got the degree in.

00:27:15.000 He doesn't have a job in the, how do I say this best?

00:27:17.000 He doesn't have a job in the field.

00:27:19.000 That's the word I was looking for.

00:27:20.000 He doesn't have a job in the field he got a degree in.

00:27:22.000 And please forgive the sloppiness of my language to everybody.

00:27:24.000 I literally was up at 5 a.m. yesterday all day long for the Student Action Summit.

00:27:29.000 I got three hours of sleep for four days straight, and I've been doing interviews since 8 a.m. Eastern Time.

00:27:34.000 So if I'm being a little imprecise in my language, forgive me here.

00:27:38.000 And so, and by the way, people came up to me almost crying at the Student Action Summit.

00:27:43.000 Charlie, thank you so much for writing this book.

00:27:45.000 I have felt ashamed.

00:27:46.000 I've felt terrible about it.

00:27:47.000 Now, a certain host who I have a lot of respect for here in New York City said, Charlie, it's so nice of you that you admitted you don't go to college.

00:27:54.000 What do you mean, like admitted, like I committed arson or something?

00:27:57.000 And of course, I'm proud of it.

00:27:59.000 College does not define you.

00:28:01.000 That piece of paper is not who you are.

00:28:05.000 It's not.

00:28:07.000 Let me get to another question here, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:28:11.000 Shannon said, Charlie, after listening to your podcast today and addressing your question, is college a scam?

00:28:15.000 I would like to confirm that as a current college student myself, the higher education system is a scam meant to brainwash the up-and-coming generation of this country.

00:28:23.000 I'm a student at a D1 university and the wokeness at the school is through the roof.

00:28:28.000 The campus buildings are covering posters and signage promoting LGBTQ values, increasing diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:28:34.000 During the month of June, the downtown streets and campus lightposts are covered with rainbow flags, but not a single American flag gets displayed at any time, especially around the 4th of July.

00:28:44.000 In a previous student orientation, by the way, this is a great writer here.

00:28:47.000 She would be really good to hire.

00:28:48.000 I'm not kidding.

00:28:49.000 This is well written.

00:28:50.000 I'm going to afford this to you, Andrew.

00:28:51.000 We could hire her.

00:28:52.000 This is really well written.

00:28:54.000 Let me see where she is.

00:28:55.000 See, it's really, in previous student orientation sessions, the program leaders promoted organizations and activists for every minority group imaginable with not a single mention of things that do not have to do with the average white male.

00:29:06.000 In fact, one parent posed this question, quote, what is there to do for the average white male?

00:29:10.000 There was simply no answer.

00:29:12.000 Due to the COVID pandemic, anyone who refused to upload the vaccine status to their student accounts was forced to test weekly.

00:29:20.000 If students did not comply, we were threatened with the shutdown of our accounts.

00:29:23.000 For certain major campus events, students without a vaccination status accounted, four were not allowed to attend.

00:29:28.000 All of these things have been present during my entire college career, and it continues to grow worse.

00:29:32.000 The system has booted any teachings about patriotism, replaced with diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:29:36.000 Saying anything related to God or religious is practically taboo.

00:29:40.000 The college education system is constructed to brainwash this generation and to jumpstart these people into a weak society.

00:29:45.000 It's sad to see.

00:29:46.000 But in the same respect, I'd like to say this brainwashing does not impact everyone.

00:29:49.000 I am part of my turning point chapter, and being surrounded by people with strong morals and love of country is extremely refreshing.

00:29:54.000 Thank you for what you do.

00:29:55.000 The movement is so powerful, and I can say at the college level, it has an impact.

00:29:58.000 Keep fighting for the amazing country.

00:29:59.000 Best Shannon.

00:30:00.000 That's a great one.

00:30:01.000 Andrew, I'm sending that to you.

00:30:02.000 Maybe, Shannon.

00:30:03.000 If she's continuing to be a writer, she might do that.

00:30:10.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:31:12.000 Okay.

00:31:13.000 Hello from Montana.

00:31:14.000 Charlie, earlier you suggested young people just get out of high school should go offering to work for someone for free as a trade, or at least that was the impression I got.

00:31:21.000 Genuine philosophical question.

00:31:22.000 How would such a young person support themselves financially in that case?

00:31:24.000 If they couldn't support themselves, who could support them?

00:31:26.000 Do parents have an obligation to invest in their young kids to help them become financially independent?

00:31:30.000 Yes, you'd have to live at home probably for a year or two years, for sure, if you were going to go work for somebody for free.

00:31:34.000 But here's what happens.

00:31:35.000 And we're getting emails affirming this.

00:31:36.000 If you go ask somebody for a job, and after six months, they will pay you.

00:31:41.000 By the way, if you ask them for a free job, just so you know, they legally can't even do that.

00:31:46.000 There's intern laws, and they'll be like, okay, I get the point.

00:31:48.000 But the point is, you're going to work so many hours or work in the night shift.

00:31:52.000 By the way, it's okay to work 20 hours a day.

00:31:55.000 You understand your body can take way more stress.

00:31:59.000 I have seen the limits of the human body, would you say, Andrew, over the last 10 years?

00:32:05.000 You could push yourself.

00:32:07.000 Charlie, I began realizing after starting my teaching career that college was being foisted upon almost all kids.

00:32:12.000 Left to the 1960s, educrats at school systems began eliminating courses in the 1970s related to trades while simultaneously wearing down high school curriculum.

00:32:24.000 It is not rocket science to see why a huge portion of today's high school kids are heading off to college, are wandering around aimlessly on campus, many who flunk out a stay or stay out to keep up partying.

00:32:34.000 As a 1969 high school graduate, I myself became convinced that college was not the only way.

00:32:38.000 So I went to Ball State.

00:32:40.000 I finally finished my teaching degree in 1976.

00:32:43.000 I taught for 35 years in my hometown.

00:32:44.000 I really had a great career, and I loved my students.

00:32:49.000 In step with the educats and unions, I encouraged most of my students to go for college wrongly in many cases.

00:32:54.000 Near the end of my career, I determined that we educators were wrong in foisting college on nearly all kids.

00:32:59.000 I do regret actively working towards these ends.

00:33:02.000 Actually, if I had to do it over, I would myself consider going into a trade.

00:33:06.000 Have you seen what a journeyman electrician makes these days?

00:33:10.000 Greg Presley, Fort Wayne, Indiana.

00:33:12.000 Should I read that email?

00:33:14.000 Okay.

00:33:15.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:33:16.000 You are so right of college brainwashing students.

00:33:19.000 My stepdaughter just graduated from the University of Texas, Austin, and is completely brainwashed.

00:33:23.000 She was raised as a devout Catholic and respect for her family.

00:33:26.000 The university has completely ripped out of her religion, sense of family, and her sexual identity.

00:33:31.000 She was a happy girl throughout her life, and now she thinks she lives as a man.

00:33:35.000 I tell her that she is a beautiful 21-year-old young lady, and she tells me that she is, oh, she tells me that is hate speech.

00:33:42.000 It's been very challenging communicating with her.

00:33:44.000 I took her to a psychiatrist.

00:33:45.000 Within 10 minutes, the psychiatrist told me that I no longer have a daughter, and I now have a son.

00:33:49.000 I drag my daughter out of that office, kicking and screaming.

00:33:52.000 This is happening.

00:33:52.000 It's real.

00:33:53.000 I never knew this was all happening until I was introduced to your show.

00:33:56.000 Thank you for all you do, Jonathan.

00:34:00.000 That is what Republicans are funding at the University of Texas, Austin.

00:34:05.000 Greg Abbott and the others.

00:34:09.000 Do that, University of Texas, Austin.

00:34:12.000 I'm very sorry to hear about your daughter.

00:34:15.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com, your thoughts on all of this?

00:34:19.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:34:21.000 Love your show and was sitting to listen to your show today about the college scam.

00:34:27.000 I thought I would share or add to rant about colleges.

00:34:30.000 I agree that we should not need four to 10 years of college and rack up thousands due to that you will literally never pay off until you close attention to your payments through end of catch the collectors try to catch you to collect more.

00:34:44.000 Collection companies are all being sued or have open charges.

00:34:47.000 It are still in business.

00:34:47.000 It's crazy and criminal.

00:34:48.000 God bless.

00:34:50.000 As a 65-year-old mother of three and a grandmother of seven and a great-great-grandmother of one, I see deteriorating education.

00:34:57.000 I homeschool all three children for very lengths of time, various lengths of time.

00:35:00.000 We traveled with them, taught history, geography, and writing skills because government education was lacking.

00:35:05.000 I appreciate you working with the youth across America, introducing ideas of alternative learning opportunity at Tapana Hillsdale Online and share with my children about this great program.

00:35:14.000 Keep doing what you're doing.

00:35:15.000 And by the way, three out of three are now business owners and have the flourishing ability to employ others in their small business.

00:35:20.000 Charlie, college in part is a major scam.

00:35:23.000 I graduated a four-year state university with a BA.

00:35:26.000 The only reason I turned out halfway normal is because I directed my own studies independently and read Christendom English and colonial American works.

00:35:34.000 I wrote an essay my freshman year in 2004 arguing more people should attend technical colleges instead.

00:35:41.000 Another one here.

00:35:43.000 Charlie, congratulations.

00:35:44.000 So glad you're speaking out on this issue and so impressed with all you do.

00:35:46.000 Quick story of my personal experience.

00:35:47.000 I'm the CPA.

00:35:48.000 My stepson came home from college break.

00:35:50.000 We were discussing his introductory accounting class.

00:35:52.000 He had just completed the B grade.

00:35:54.000 I decided to quiz him and asked him to relay me four basic financial statements.

00:35:57.000 Probably the easiest question I could ask.

00:35:58.000 Charlie, he could not name a single statement accurately.

00:36:01.000 High school and college teachers love to grade on a curve and offer extra credit to bring up grades.

00:36:04.000 What a waste and disservice to our employers and profession, Florida CPA.

00:36:09.000 Charlie, whenever my daughter comes home from college, I was sure to spend 20, 30 minutes deprogramming her from liberal bias brainwashing.

00:36:14.000 It was helpful when I warned in advance what she would hear in her social work program.

00:36:20.000 Thankfully, we thwarted the indoctrination.

00:36:22.000 That's a listener from Chicago.

00:36:23.000 That's a great point that you have to, you got to put in the work.

00:36:27.000 You got to put in the 20 to 30 minutes of deprogramming.

00:36:29.000 Like, hey, first thing from college, okay.

00:36:32.000 What'd you learn?

00:36:33.000 No, that's not true.

00:36:35.000 That's not true.

00:36:36.000 It's like, if your kid goes to college, this is a parent that did this successfully.

00:36:39.000 Not going to do that.

00:36:40.000 Not going to put up with that.

00:36:41.000 That's not true.

00:36:44.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:46.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:36:47.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:36:48.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:36:50.000 God bless.

00:36:53.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 27, 2022

The One College That ISN’T a Scam with Dr. Larry Arnn

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