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00:01:54.000With us right now is someone who I think deserves credit more than almost anybody else for being a clear and courageous voice against COVID tyranny for individual sovereignty and the rule of law.
00:02:06.000With us right now is Dr. Robert Malone.
00:02:36.000I hate to be that cynical, but do you think something like that might be in the cards?
00:02:40.000So you're asking me to look into the crystal ball about viral evolution.
00:02:45.000There's the trajectory that says that most viruses over time tend to become attenuated after they've moved into a new host.
00:02:55.000So that argues for more infectious, less virulent.
00:02:59.000Then there's the counterpoint that my friend Gert von den Bascha often raises as a concern, which is that there are some situations where over vaccination can drive an infectious viral pathogen to become more pathogenic as well as more infectious.
00:03:20.000So the answer, can I select both of the above in your two scenarios and say time will tell.
00:03:33.000But right now, we are in a situation where most of us, if not all of us, have been infected with Omicron, essentially have natural immunity, and are relatively resistant to the current sub-variant that's circulating that's slightly more infectious than the original Omicron was.
00:03:59.000So where we are right now, they're still pushing mass vaccination boosters on people.
00:04:05.000Some of the mandates have been lifted.
00:04:08.000But do you think we are now seeing negative efficacy when it comes to this vaccine?
00:04:14.000You're always highly informed, and that's what the data are suggesting.
00:04:26.000That's the logic that the FDA warned about at the beginning of this, that with any coronavirus vaccine, there's a risk of antibody-dependent enhancement.
00:04:37.000And I think that what we may be seeing right now, the data suggests we are from all over the world, is may not be true antibody-dependent enhancement, but it may be some combination of factors, part of which may include immune damage from repeated vaccine doses.
00:04:59.000Which, of course, runs completely against what the regime media is saying.
00:05:04.000So we're seeing still this kind of this, I guess you could call it a tension point, where we're being told that, you know, from Title 42 being repealed on the southern border, that it's no longer a medical emergency, yet the Biden regime is still justifying saying that they need COVID emergency executive powers.
00:05:25.000And so the justification here seems to be a push to try to continue domestic control, despite, you know, case rates and fatality rates going down year over year.
00:05:40.000As we look at this right now and we look at where infections are and what they're trying to do in that and their response to it, there's an inherent contradiction, especially as we see the mask mandate lifted yesterday.
00:05:56.000Doctor, what is your take on kind of the current emergency powers that we see by the federal government?
00:06:02.000I don't believe there was any sort of justification for it since from the beginning.
00:06:07.000What emergency power still exist that people might not see in their day-to-day life?
00:06:13.000So there is still the emergency declaration, which basically has allowed the current administration.
00:06:19.000I hesitate to ascribe that to Joe Biden.
00:06:23.000I suspect you're on the same page as I am.
00:06:26.000It is the my perspective as a physician is that Mr. Biden is significantly intellectually compromised at this point.
00:06:37.000And I think that the best way to think about that administration right now is that it's being managed by bureaucrats.
00:06:46.000We use the term deep state if you want, but let's call it surrogates, not by the Mr. Biden.
00:06:56.000I hesitate to call him the elected president of the United States even.
00:07:00.000But I don't think Mr. Biden is calling the shots.
00:07:04.000I think that we have a cadre of basically bureaucrats who are risk averse, who have a strong interest in maintaining their what I believe to be illicit suspension of constitutional rights under the aegis of this emergency declaration for a medical emergency that no longer exists.
00:07:31.000What I see is exactly what Bobby Kennedy predicted in his speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial that got MSNBC and so many others in a tail twist when he warned that once they have these exceptional powers, they will be very loath to give them up and we're going to have to force them to give them up.
00:08:21.000They absolutely are arbitrary and capricious.
00:08:25.000I had multiple colleagues flying at the time, including my wife.
00:08:29.000And what I heard again and again was stories of cheering in airports and in airplanes.
00:08:36.000And yet, in the face of that, then we had the counterpunch stories coming in yesterday and today that the whoever it is calling the shots in the Biden administration is looking at, quote unquote, appealing the decision.
00:08:56.000And it smacks to me of some modified limited hangout.
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00:12:09.000So, Dr. Malone, hear me out with this, and I'm going to do my best describing this, but I kind of worked this through in anticipation of our conversation.
00:12:17.000So, if there's no more emergency, then does big pharma and the entire their whole apparatus does that house of cards fall?
00:12:24.000In other words, if there's no emergency, then there's no EUA.
00:12:29.000If there's no EUA, then there's no liability protection for vaccine companies.
00:12:34.000If there's no vaccines, then no mandates, no vaccine passports, no social credit system, no digital currency, no great reset.
00:12:45.000I agree that if we no longer have the emergency mandate situation as declared by the executive branch, then many of the interventions that have been promoted will no longer apply social distancing, the mandates, et cetera, the military mandates, for example.
00:13:16.000And that house of cards falls, and that is the logic that has been presented by the White House for maintaining the mandates: is that in the event that this thing suddenly grew new fangs, we would be remiss if we didn't have that in place.
00:14:32.000And the big issue here is what many in the economics community are warning me about, which is that we're looking at some kind of major boundary event triggered by the hyperinflation and everything else and the fiat currency, printing money, debt crisis, et cetera, not the least of which is the impending bankruptcy of the social security system.
00:15:01.000And which your generation, by the way, is the ones that are going to have to pay for me and my generation.
00:15:11.000And the probability that I recover what I've put in is modest.
00:15:15.000The probability that you and your colleagues put in is going to come back to you is approaching zero.
00:15:23.000And so we're looking at a major economic boundary event.
00:15:27.000And it appears to me and many others that what we're really facing is a concerted effort by entrenched big money to maintain power control and wealth as we move through this boundary event.
00:15:46.000And this great, this infectious disease outbreak was a convenient tool, but it's not the only tool in their toolkit.
00:15:57.000So in terms of this kind of medical industrial complex, I'm not as sanguine as to think that if we merely recover from the effects of this illegal medical emergency, everything is going to return to normal and be back to Oky Dory.
00:16:24.000I've just had a film crew here up until about half an hour ago from Austria, and they're talking about the situation there.
00:16:32.000There's movements in progress to allow the suspension of national constitutions in favor of a UN constitution.
00:16:42.000I'm sure, Charlie, you know about this.
00:16:44.000In the event of another medical outbreak as defined by the World Health Organization, it could be the next flu.
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00:18:25.000And one of the things about the Renaissance is that it was catalyzed in a significant way by an amazing global banking family who happen to also be artists and architects, the Medicis.
00:18:38.000And what we have is a group of dour, pickle-faced fascists.
00:19:07.000So that was at the Miami Bitcoin conference at the Wales special room.
00:19:13.000And it was an interview with Tucker Carlson and J.P. Sears and James Heckman and myself, largely.
00:19:23.000And it was a part of that discussion in which I was bringing the conversation to focus on a future vision as we move forward of what is the good here, what is a positive vision for all of us moving forward.
00:19:52.000And what I was emphasizing there is the importance of what makes us human.
00:20:01.000We're in a situation in which we've allowed various actors, and for the sake of argument, let's call it Davos Mann, citing this book by Peter Goodman that I'm in the middle of right now as a kind of a surrogate for this.
00:20:16.000But we've allowed the humankind to be defined using economic terms.
00:20:23.000And in so doing, we have given up on the joy and unique capabilities of what makes us human.
00:20:34.000And I think a lot of that is embodied in the arts.
00:20:40.000We are not just economic units and we are not animals to be farmed for the benefit of some economic elite.
00:20:50.000The human mind and the human spirit is unlimited.
00:20:55.000Our ability to create, imagine, and find joy in our daily lives, joy, love, all of those things that make us luminous beings, shining individuals.
00:21:10.000And that's where that conversation was going at that point in time, is really expanding on the point that with this historic example of the Italian Renaissance, one of the key characteristics is that we had a banking family, the dominant global banking family.
00:21:32.000Obviously, the metaphor is to BlackRock, Vanguard, etc.
00:21:36.000And the Medicis happened to be a family that also had deep commitment to architecture and the arts.
00:21:46.000They funded Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci.
00:21:54.000They gave us an incredible fluorescence of the human spirit.
00:22:02.000And there is a thread that we stand on the precipice of either the great reset, as envisioned by those dour, pickled-faced folks that I was referring to.
00:22:16.000Klaus Schwab was who I had in mind, and a vision of a new American Enlightenment, a new Renaissance, in which we celebrate the human spirit over the idea that he who dies with the most toys wins.
00:22:38.000And it's going back to the Medici family.
00:22:41.000Of course, the person who was, you would say, persecuted and tortured and imprisoned, I believe, started the Enlightenment, which was Machiavelli.
00:22:52.000And Machiavelli is a mixed bag, but Mikey wrote, Well, look, we have all the, we had all these ideas of kind of being a better person and trying to ascend to a higher plane of existence.
00:23:08.000Why don't we just put aside all these ideals and just go get what we want?
00:23:14.000And in some ways, that was liberating for some people, but also, I think, unnecessarily turned a chapter away from antiquity and towards the stumbling of modernity not based in truth.
00:23:28.000What does that look like, then, Dr. Malone, on a more philosophical basis?
00:23:32.000How does one now not just challenge the postmodern garbage that we're seeing all around us, but how do we restore the species, the being of a human, back to what we're actually supposed to be?
00:24:41.000What I'm seeing, and this is really the bright light at the end of the tunnel with all of this.
00:24:48.000I mentioned before, so what I'm seeing is the spontaneous arising of intentional and unintentional communities that are committed to a set of principles that are fundamentally grounded in an ethical way of being and interacting with each other,
00:25:12.000as opposed to an avaricious one, and which find joy in those social interactions.
00:25:20.000Remember, the teaching of Matthias Desmet is that the underlying sickness is not the virus, it's the fragmentation of us as a community.
00:25:30.000And what I'm seeing, like with this film crew that just left today, just about an hour ago, I guess now, that came over from Austria, is people that are standing up are increasingly, the best word I could say is enlightened.
00:25:49.000They have become aware of what's happening in the world and assuming personal responsibility, which is one of your key messages that you were giving the young gentleman here, is stop whining, get to work, and be the best that you can be.
00:26:05.000I think that that's the essence of it, but do so in a way that isn't hurting others, that isn't, you know, the idea here is basically a rising tide lifts all boats.
00:26:18.000That can seem a little Pollyannish, but if we all put our shoulder to the wheel and become the best that we can personally be and own that and stop looking for other people to make our lives easier and assume responsibility for ourselves and our own actions,
00:26:37.000then I think we as a collective humanity can move instead of through a great reset controlled by large economic forces beyond us.
00:26:52.000We can move to a great awakening and a new renaissance.
00:26:58.000And I believe that the wisdom of the American Enlightenment still shines through time.
00:27:07.000When I read the words of Adams and Jefferson and Franklin and so many of those others, we treat them like they are artifacts of some distant past.
00:27:22.000It's only a couple hundred, 300 years ago.
00:27:54.000It was written to stand the test of time.
00:27:56.000There is this interesting team that has now been formed.
00:27:59.000Elon Musk, Bill Maher, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Dr. Malone, people that otherwise would not all kind of be on the same team, all kind of trying to push against this suppressive great reset, trying to at least try to have an awakening of speech and dialogue.
00:28:14.000What do you make of this, this unlikely combination of forces of different political backgrounds, religions, philosophical perspectives, but all agree on liberty and self-government and definitely agree that we need to kind of push back against the great reset woke agenda?
00:28:32.000So I just wrote a substack, actually a couple of them, and the latest one was about populism and defining populism.
00:28:39.000I think that what, and by the way, I have yet to get the phone call from Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan never has reached out to me since then.
00:28:50.000So I don't know that we can say we're on the same team, philosophically, perhaps.
00:29:22.000We are often labeled as such by the media and with absolutely no basis.
00:29:29.000It's a perversion of the language, of the meaning of words.
00:29:34.000But this has been framed as woke versus Nazis.
00:29:39.000And it's been phrased as the mainstream, which is ergo the left, and the quote far right.
00:29:49.000There's no recognition of any political spectrum.
00:29:52.000I fundamentally object to that structure.
00:29:56.000I think that that is what's behind that use of that language is grossly obsolete.
00:30:04.000And what ties together those individuals that you just spoke of, many things.
00:30:10.000We're, by the way, all hardworking individuals that don't look for government handouts.
00:30:18.000But another thing that ties us together is a new political axis, which I believe has emerged, which is between collectivism and a commitment to freedom to choose.
00:30:41.000The existing thesis of left versus right is outdated and no longer useful and has been further damaged by misuse of language and the incorrect assertion that the Nazi party of Germany came from the right and represented a far-right group.
00:31:06.000It was clearly emerging from a left-wing socialist position.
00:31:13.000The more appropriate realigned axis that I believe brings people like Musk and those that you mentioned together into one group is the alignment between those who believe in a collectivist future and those that believe in freedom to choose.
00:31:36.000Freedom to choose and freedom to speak are aligned.
00:31:41.000It's basically: do you believe, you know, the word has been used Marxism, that's kind of throwing it down on the table.
00:31:49.000But I try to use the softer term collectivism versus those that believe in the vision that was laid out, as you point out, in our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, et cetera.
00:32:08.000A vision in which people have to own personal responsibility for their actions.
00:32:15.000And I think that that world in which one has a freedom to choose, freedom to achieve, is a better way to describe the axis, that being freedom versus collectivism.
00:33:44.000But this gets back to this core three words that I keep saying every time I give a speech: integrity, dignity, and community.
00:33:54.000We have to restore integrity in our public discourse and in our government and in our lives.
00:34:02.000We have to recognize and respect the dignity of the individual, our individual dignity as human beings, and we have to rebuild community.
00:34:14.000And the only way to rebuild community is to start local, even though you're thinking global.
00:34:20.000And one of the things that so many of us have seen through this outbreak, I suspect including yourself, is that the communities that have been most resistant to the mass psychosis phenomenon have been religious communities.
00:34:37.000They have withstood this in a way that almost no other groups in the world that I've seen have been able to withstand the concerted propaganda and censorship because they have a sense of belonging to each other.
00:34:53.000They're not focused on belonging to a single leader, like whether it's Tony Fauci, Klaus Schwab, or anywhere in between.
00:35:04.000And so I do think that a starting point, number one, please don't despair.
00:35:20.000Get out of your little personal space and spend some thought time on integrity, dignity, and rebuilding community, starting with the people around you.