The Charlie Kirk Show - The Only Republican To Defend Kristi Noem? with Michael Knowles

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Michael Knowles joins the program.

00:00:02.000 We talk: is it okay to put down an unruly dog?

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00:03:04.000 Michael Knowles from the Daily Wire joins us.

00:03:07.000 Michael, welcome to the program.

00:03:08.000 Michael, you have made news recently for defending Governor Noam in South Dakota for killing cricket.

00:03:15.000 Cricket was her dog who was, you know, a little bit uppity and decided to get into other animals.

00:03:25.000 And Christy Noam put a bullet in them.

00:03:28.000 Your defense, Michael Knowles.

00:03:30.000 I think I might be the only Republican in America defending Christy Noam.

00:03:34.000 I'm not doing it merely to be a contrarian.

00:03:37.000 I'm not doing it because I care all that much about Christy Noam's political career. 0.93

00:03:43.000 I'm not even doing it because I think it was a smart political move for Christy Noam to brag about shooting her dad in the back, her dad, her dog in the back of the head, like a yeller. 0.87

00:03:54.000 I don't think it was a good move.

00:03:56.000 But frankly, people are treating this as though she did shoot her dad or as though she did shoot a baby or as though she did shoot a human being.

00:04:05.000 We have way too much of a confused dog puppy pet culture in America.

00:04:15.000 We treat dogs like humans and we treat humans worse than dogs.

00:04:21.000 My only argument here, for which I have been pilloried for weeks, is that there is nothing in principle wrong with putting down a farm animal in a humane way.

00:04:31.000 Could Christy Noam have given the dog up for adoption?

00:04:34.000 I guess she could have.

00:04:34.000 Could she have tried to train the dog harder?

00:04:36.000 I guess she could have.

00:04:37.000 But it's a dog, guys.

00:04:39.000 It's a farm dog, okay?

00:04:40.000 And many of the politicians who are attacking Christy Noam for this are people who gleefully celebrate abortion up until the fourth trimester as though it's some sort of human right.

00:04:50.000 And I just think it is evidence that we have our priorities so backwards as a society.

00:04:55.000 Well, and Dennis Prager's been warning about this for a couple decades.

00:04:58.000 Dennis Prager has his famous test where he asked the question, if your dog was drowning or a stranger, a human being was drowning, who would you save?

00:05:06.000 And a majority of Americans say they would save their dog.

00:05:10.000 And that goes to show that they cannot answer the most fundamental question.

00:05:13.000 What is a human being?

00:05:14.000 What is the distinction between a human being and a dog?

00:05:17.000 Now, there's many layers to this.

00:05:18.000 And I hope people understand.

00:05:20.000 In the Dakotas, dogs are tools on farms, meaning that they're there to help you accomplish your task, your goal.

00:05:27.000 And if they get in the way, you are responsible for that dog.

00:05:30.000 There really aren't shelters to drop them off at.

00:05:33.000 And the question, though, Michael, I have, the morality aside, we'll talk about that.

00:05:37.000 Why did she put this in her book? 0.99

00:05:40.000 The reason she put this in her book is because she was making a political calculation that as a woman, as a member of the weaker sex, she's got to prove that she's tough. 1.00

00:05:50.000 And women politicians have had to do this for many years. 0.91

00:05:52.000 Margaret Thatcher famously did it. 0.66

00:05:54.000 She was called the Iron Lady because of that. 0.99

00:05:56.000 They have to overcompensate and prove they're tough as nails. 0.99

00:05:59.000 And so Christy Noam's political instincts, I think, are clearly a little off here if she thought that this tale of shooting poor little cricket in the back of the head because he massacred some chickens was going to win her any extra votes.

00:06:11.000 But that was it.

00:06:12.000 It was a clear political calculation.

00:06:14.000 When she writes in the book that if she had better political instincts, she wouldn't be telling this tale.

00:06:20.000 She's being falsely modest.

00:06:23.000 She obviously included that as a calculation.

00:06:26.000 It just didn't pay off.

00:06:28.000 And it didn't pay off because a friend of ours is fond of saying facts don't care about your feelings, which is true enough.

00:06:36.000 But the problem with politics is politics almost exclusively cares about your feelings.

00:06:40.000 So we can go through all day all of the moral and bioethical arguments about how dogs do not have rational souls and how the reason that humans need to make sure that we treat animals well is to preserve our own souls.

00:06:54.000 And because to be cruel to animals is to deaden our humanity, as C.S. Lewis says.

00:06:58.000 And because, as you say, Charlie, dogs on farms are tools.

00:07:02.000 And sometimes you got to put down old yeller and yada, yada, yada.

00:07:04.000 We can talk about that till we're blue in the face.

00:07:07.000 But it is a fact that people love their dogs.

00:07:10.000 And if you want to be the running mate to President Donald Trump, you probably shouldn't brag about killing one in a book.

00:07:17.000 Well, and the way that she put it in the book, she's like, I hated that dog.

00:07:21.000 And it just, she said that in the book.

00:07:25.000 And again, I like Christy Noam.

00:07:26.000 She's terrific.

00:07:27.000 She speaks at our events.

00:07:28.000 I'm just looking at this from a purely political calculus.

00:07:30.000 I want to just say two thoughts on this.

00:07:32.000 Number one, non-political, what I call normies in my life, they're horrified.

00:07:37.000 I was just like walking, you know, the street the other day, and a couple people come up to me and they said, Charlie, we need to talk about how that Republican from the Midwest killed her dog.

00:07:46.000 I was like, okay, let's just, you know, kind of go through the points here.

00:07:50.000 But this is a very important issue, though.

00:07:53.000 This is, if you are more worried about Christy Noam putting down an unruly dog and not worried about a million abortions every single year, you got a serious moral compass problem.

00:08:04.000 And people say you're conflating two different things.

00:08:06.000 But no, that is important.

00:08:08.000 The outrage, let me just play this out.

00:08:11.000 If Christy Noam would have said that she got an abortion when she was 16 years old, how would the media have treated her?

00:08:17.000 Michael Knowles.

00:08:18.000 She'd be a hero.

00:08:20.000 Well, she'd be a hero if she were speaking positively about her abortion. 0.73

00:08:25.000 No, of course.

00:08:25.000 If she said she came to regret it.

00:08:27.000 Yes.

00:08:29.000 Let's just say a person running for office says, I got an abortion and it helped me have a nice career and that's why we need planning out parenthood.

00:08:38.000 How would that be different than killing cricket?

00:08:43.000 She would be a symbol of liberation, of women's empowerment, of choice and freedom, as opposed to you put down this dog that had already massacred a bunch of chickens and was threatening people.

00:08:56.000 And, you know, we have a responsibility as stewards of our environment and of animals to make sure that they don't do that sort of thing.

00:09:04.000 They're painting her as Patrick Bateman, you know, hip-to-be square, about to axe his friend in an apartment as a total psycho.

00:09:14.000 But of course, it's on the other side.

00:09:16.000 The reason they do this is because, as Philip Ryans explained, former spokesman to Hillary Clinton, he went on TV, he said, I like animals more than I like people.

00:09:28.000 I love my two cats, and I prefer animals to people.

00:09:31.000 And that's true.

00:09:31.000 You see this even beyond abortion, even beyond poor little cricket out there in South Dakota.

00:09:37.000 The way that they talk about global warming and the environment, we are told that we need to eat less, drive less, reproduce less.

00:09:45.000 We need to have fewer children. 0.95

00:09:47.000 We need to kill our elderly through youth in Asia. 1.00

00:09:49.000 We need to stop people from reproducing in Africa and India and the third world. 1.00

00:09:54.000 We have to stop Indians from spreading electricity and industry throughout their country to raise their standard of living, to feed their families. 1.00

00:10:02.000 We need to have a lot more human suffering in order to what?

00:10:07.000 Save the polar bears, save the Delta Smelt?

00:10:09.000 Because of a sardine in California, human beings need to die or not even be born.

00:10:14.000 That is their explicit argument.

00:10:16.000 And when they tell you what they believe, we ought to believe them.

00:10:19.000 And they cannot define the very simple question, what is a human being?

00:10:22.000 You know, they always scream about human rights, but can they tell you what a human being is, Michael Knowles?

00:10:27.000 Right, right.

00:10:28.000 I have an answer to it.

00:10:29.000 And I was sort of mocked by the glib libs for saying this.

00:10:33.000 I said, the reason that it's okay to kill an unruly farm animal is because these unruly farm animals don't have a rational soul.

00:10:42.000 We have rational souls.

00:10:44.000 We're animals.

00:10:44.000 We got flesh and blood.

00:10:45.000 We have lower appetites and instincts.

00:10:47.000 But we also have reason.

00:10:49.000 So we can think about justice.

00:10:51.000 We can know about morality.

00:10:52.000 We can think about abstract mathematics.

00:10:54.000 We can have this conversation right now on podcast and on the radio.

00:10:58.000 Animals can't do that.

00:10:59.000 Not even our beloved pooch, not a gorilla, not an elephant, not a Delta Smelt. 0.99

00:11:03.000 And we all know this.

00:11:04.000 This is not just some kind of old dusty religious dogma or something.

00:11:09.000 The reason we know this is true is we don't put dogs on trial for biting people.

00:11:14.000 We don't put the Delta Smelt on trial because he assaulted the horseshoe crab at the bottom of the ocean. 1.00

00:11:23.000 These animals don't have reason.

00:11:25.000 We do.

00:11:26.000 And in that way, we're the meeting between the physical and the metaphysical.

00:11:31.000 We're the greatest of the creatures, and therefore we have a certain responsibility to be stewards of our environment.

00:11:38.000 But that's what a human being is.

00:11:39.000 To put it really in a blunt way, we are made in the image and likeness of God.

00:11:45.000 The liberals don't want to admit that.

00:11:47.000 And animals are not.

00:11:49.000 Animals are explicitly not made in the image of God.

00:11:51.000 In fact, it says in Genesis 126, 127, let us make man in our image.

00:11:57.000 And we are image bearers.

00:11:59.000 And having a rational soul, which is a wonderful Catholic answer, which I agree with completely, Michael, is completely correct.

00:12:07.000 Animals do not have souls.

00:12:08.000 Sorry, guys, they don't.

00:12:09.000 In fact, we should take dominion over the earth.

00:12:12.000 Now, interestingly, in the Noahic covenant, we must respect animals.

00:12:16.000 And in fact, animals make an appearance in the Ten Commandments.

00:12:21.000 Even your ox gets a Sabbath.

00:12:24.000 That's your little Old Testament trivia for today.

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00:13:42.000 I hope everyone understands that in pagan culture, animals were abused.

00:13:48.000 I think this is important.

00:13:49.000 In the Noahic covenant, it set up this is the law for all people, right?

00:13:54.000 And so this is all human beings according to the Torah are supposed to live under this covenant that God put with his chosen people via Noah after the flood.

00:14:06.000 Prohibition of murder, prohibition of theft, this is before the Ten Commandments, prohibition of grave sexual immorality such as incest and adultery, and the prohibition of eating the limb of a live animal, which is a paradigm for cruelty.

00:14:18.000 You know, Michael, we have to do a better job, I think, as Christians talking about, yes, there is a human-animal distinction, but you should never be cruel or torture an animal.

00:14:27.000 In fact, it is the scriptures that pushed back against pagan practices of animal torture.

00:14:33.000 Yes, and I've always found that the living limbs of animals are just not very tasty anyway.

00:14:37.000 So even for aggustatory reasons, you should probably put it to the side.

00:14:41.000 You make such a great observation here about how the true religion comes in and just shifts everything into perspective.

00:14:53.000 It shifts everything into its order.

00:14:56.000 Paganism, whether we're talking about the old kind of paganism or the new creeping kind of paganism, it puts everything out of order.

00:15:02.000 G.K. Chesterton wrote about this.

00:15:04.000 He said, so much of what is wrong about modernity is not explicitly bad.

00:15:10.000 In a way, modernity is bad because it's too good.

00:15:13.000 It's not the vices, it's the virtues.

00:15:16.000 It's just that today, we have the virtues all separated from each other and they're running wild and they're running mad.

00:15:23.000 So we have one virtue to the exclusion of the others, mercy for poor little cricket or something.

00:15:29.000 But where's the mercy for the baby in the womb?

00:15:32.000 Where's the recognition that a human being has a role in the order of creation that is above the irrational animals?

00:15:40.000 And we have a responsibility to those animals and we ought to be good to them.

00:15:45.000 C.S. Lewis describes this well.

00:15:47.000 The reason not to be cruel to animals is because we are moral beings, and that deadens our conscience.

00:15:53.000 It deadens our humanity.

00:15:56.000 It's wrong, not because the animals have any particular rights, but because we're human beings who have obligations toward the moral law.

00:16:04.000 Now we just shift it all the way out.

00:16:05.000 So on the one hand, we worship animals.

00:16:08.000 You know, we're a culture of tree huggers.

00:16:11.000 But on the other hand, I don't know, we would diminish ourselves.

00:16:14.000 We would make ourselves even lower than the beasts.

00:16:17.000 Well, and it's important.

00:16:18.000 When you follow your heart, you do a lot of goofy stuff.

00:16:20.000 So when people say that, well, I feel like the animals are better than humans.

00:16:26.000 Genesis 8, 21, very important, that your heart, every inclination of a human heart is evil from childhood.

00:16:35.000 You don't follow your heart.

00:16:37.000 In fact, that's really bad advice.

00:16:39.000 This is not a small issue, though, Michael, because we do kind of have, and again, I'm very pro-dog for the record.

00:16:46.000 I loved my family dog growing up.

00:16:48.000 Winston was his name, like Winston Churchill.

00:16:51.000 So I'm very pro-dog.

00:16:53.000 I think dogs enrich our lives, but you must understand the hierarchy of being, that the dog is not your child.

00:17:01.000 The dog is not your daughter.

00:17:03.000 The dog is subservient to man.

00:17:06.000 And if the dog is there to enrich our life as human beings, and if and when the dog is not enriching your life, you have a duty and an obligation to either give that dog away or to deal with it humanely, not to ever torture or hit the animal.

00:17:24.000 If you hit an animal, you're sinning against God.

00:17:26.000 Let me be very, very clear.

00:17:27.000 Because the way that you kill animals in the Old Testament scriptures must be done quickly, must be done humanely.

00:17:34.000 Well, just to put a little bow on poor Governor Noam out there, you make a great point on how she took care of the little pooch.

00:17:42.000 Maybe she could have given it up for adoption.

00:17:43.000 Maybe she could have tried to train it, whatever, but she put him down in a humane way.

00:17:47.000 What we do, though, is we never want to get our hands dirty in modern culture.

00:17:50.000 So what do people do?

00:17:52.000 They'll give the dog away to a shelter, to the pound, to this, to that.

00:17:56.000 They'll call PETA, the people for the ethical treatment of animals.

00:18:00.000 PETA, I think, probably kills more animals every single year than anyone else.

00:18:04.000 And by the way, the people who are whining about this are probably all eating their hamburgers and their steaks and their chicken while they do it.

00:18:10.000 It's a layer of abstraction.

00:18:12.000 So it backfired on Christy Noam.

00:18:15.000 But the point she was trying to make is a good point, which is that we've got to be responsible.

00:18:18.000 We've got to be stewards and we can't back away from difficult decisions.

00:18:22.000 And I'll do that as governor and I'll do that as president too.

00:18:26.000 In principle, there's nothing wrong with what she said and what she did.

00:18:29.000 Yeah, I just, I want to go be very clear. 0.99

00:18:31.000 Politically, it is so foolish. 0.84

00:18:33.000 People said, well, she wanted to get it out. 0.96

00:18:35.000 No, you want to never get that out.

00:18:35.000 Disaster.

00:18:35.000 No.

00:18:37.000 That's a story that it's not like Barack Obama.

00:18:40.000 Like, I smoked weed and I was trying to...

00:18:44.000 No, no, no, no.

00:18:45.000 This is worse than Bill Ayers.

00:18:48.000 This is worse than Michelle Obama birth certificate, driver's license stuff.

00:18:53.000 This is bad, bad, bad, bad.

00:18:55.000 You are not reading the room at all.

00:18:57.000 Politically, people love their dogs.

00:19:00.000 I love dogs.

00:19:01.000 And remember Romney, I put my dog on the roof of a car and they like just mercilessly, I can say this, talking to people inside the Trump camp, I can say confidently, I don't think Christy Noam will be selected over this.

00:19:12.000 It's too bad.

00:19:13.000 She's a great person.

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00:20:18.000 Michael, I want to get your take on this bill that passed the House of Representatives very quickly with remarkable speed, essentially censoring speech that is deemed anti-Semitic.

00:20:32.000 Now, I don't like Jew hatred.

00:20:34.000 You don't put up with it.

00:20:35.000 What's going on here?

00:20:37.000 In principle, we all agree.

00:20:39.000 But the problem with legislation through the House is the nicer sounding the title is, the worse the legislation is, generally.

00:20:48.000 So this is called the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.

00:20:51.000 All of us hate Jew hatred, and it's a real problem.

00:20:53.000 And it actually is obviously rising very quickly on the American left.

00:20:58.000 And there are some places in the American right where it rises too.

00:21:01.000 So I understand generally why they would push for a law like this, especially pertaining to Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, with all of the craziness going on on the college campuses right now, the campus intifada with these young, purple-haired, half-lesbian, sort of left-wing activists wearing kefias and calling for the abolition of Israel. 0.61

00:21:22.000 I get it in principle.

00:21:24.000 And then I read the bill. 1.00

00:21:27.000 This might be the stupidest legislation that has come before the House Republicans in my lifetime. 0.99

00:21:37.000 The bill, in practice, would censor parts of the Bible and would limit American citizens from criticizing a foreign government. 1.00

00:21:49.000 It's so crazy.

00:21:50.000 And it's classic Republicans.

00:21:52.000 Republicans just can't resist clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:21:57.000 We are watching the left implode right now.

00:21:59.000 There is this major wedge issue, the Israel-Gaza war, that is tearing the left apart because the left's base fanatically hates the state of Israel.

00:22:09.000 And the left's establishment kind of likes the state of Israel.

00:22:13.000 And most Americans broadly support the state of Israel.

00:22:16.000 So you've got this issue where the left looks outrageous, looks hateful, looks insane, looks totally out of step with the American people.

00:22:25.000 And one of the chief rules in politics is when your enemy is destroying himself, don't interrupt.

00:22:30.000 Let him do it.

00:22:31.000 But the Republicans can't help themselves.

00:22:33.000 So they insert themselves into this debate.

00:22:36.000 And they do so in an egregious way where they say, okay, we're going to amend the Civil Rights Act to specifically prohibit anti-Semitism in Title VI.

00:22:47.000 We're not going to define anti-Semitism.

00:22:49.000 We're going to outsource that to an organization that also doesn't define anti-Semitism.

00:22:56.000 I read the definition today and it said, anti-Semitism is speech or behavior that attacks Jews or non-Jews that might be considered harmful, that might be this, it might be that.

00:23:06.000 It's totally bogus. 0.97

00:23:07.000 Then they give a list of examples of anti-Semitism, and you get some solid ones in there, like calling to kill the Jews. 0.96

00:23:14.000 I think that'd be a pretty clear example.

00:23:16.000 Everyone would condemn that, at least on the American right in the mainstream.

00:23:21.000 But then you see things like if you were to quote 1 Thessalonians, if you were to quote portions of the gospel that discuss the passion and the crucifixion of Jesus, that would be deemed anti-Semitic.

00:23:34.000 What would happen?

00:23:34.000 Would your Bible study on campus be shut down?

00:23:37.000 Would the school lose more?

00:23:40.000 I want to make sure that, no, sorry to interrupt, to repeat that, this was put forward by Mike Johnson and many people saying that, you know, again, I have no tolerance for Jew hatred.

00:23:50.000 It's violent, it's terrible, it's awful.

00:23:52.000 However, a lot of violent, terrible, awful things are allowed to be said under the First Amendment, that period.

00:23:56.000 End of story.

00:23:57.000 So the question then is, I want you to dive into this.

00:24:00.000 Let's say that there is a Christian group that is doing a Bible study reading John 8.

00:24:06.000 Could they then get in trouble with the federal government for reading the holy scriptures?

00:24:11.000 I'm not being sarcastic.

00:24:13.000 By the letter of this law, which has passed the House, which I hope now that there's a little attention on it, every even semi-reasonable Republican senator will shoot this down out of hand.

00:24:23.000 I mean, for goodness sakes, Jerry Nadler, a liberal Democrat, Jewish also, came out and he said, this law is obviously unconstitutional and it's going to go nowhere.

00:24:33.000 By the letter of this law, if a campus Bible study is reading the Gospel of St. John or 1 Thessalonians or the book of Acts, they could be guilty of violating Title VI.

00:24:48.000 They could lose their funding.

00:24:49.000 The school could lose their funding.

00:24:49.000 Who knows?

00:24:51.000 Even when we look over to my group, the mackerel snapping Catholics, there are two of the most important masses of the year that deal with the Passion and the crucifixion. 1.00

00:25:03.000 That would be on Palm Sunday, where we read the Passion narrative of our Lord, and on Good Friday, obviously, which is the crucifixion.

00:25:10.000 We're talking about Vatican I. I'm talking about this.

00:25:16.000 This is important, though, because Vatican II removed some of the segments during the Passion that would be deemed anti-Semitic under this law.

00:25:24.000 I don't think they're anti-Semitic, but that's an important point. 1.00

00:25:27.000 So, yes.

00:25:29.000 After the Second Vatican Council, there were these liturgical changes that, and this even started a little bit before the Second Vatican Council, where they changed some of the language about the Good Friday service or some of the language during Holy Week.

00:25:41.000 But actually, it's even worse than you're describing because even today, even under the newer liturgy, which is considered more liberal, even today, those liturgies could be banned from campus under the letter of this law, which is, I don't know.

00:25:59.000 I mean, you want to talk about painting with a broad brush.

00:26:03.000 That seems like something that nobody would support.

00:26:05.000 I was reading a great Twitter thread by a Jewish writer yesterday who said, you know, this is supposed to be the anti-anti-Semitism act.

00:26:13.000 This is going to increase anti-Semitism.

00:26:15.000 You think this is going to help the Jews to ban the Bible or parts of the Bible on college campus to ban certain liturgies? 0.78

00:26:23.000 It's just completely insane.

00:26:26.000 And then the cherry on top of this awful legislative Sunday was one of the final provisions or one of the final examples of anti-Semitism, which is comparing the Israeli government to the Nazis.

00:26:39.000 Now, I think the Nazi comparisons are so overblown. 0.96

00:26:42.000 I think they're usually stupid and they show that people don't have any other historical reference other than the Second World War. 0.97

00:26:48.000 But it is simply a fact. 1.00

00:26:50.000 All of our political discourse today, especially on the left, is about calling the opponents Nazis.

00:26:56.000 Every attack on Trump, he's the mango Mussolini.

00:27:00.000 He's Orange Hitler. 0.98

00:27:01.000 They're all the Nazis. 0.92

00:27:02.000 We're about to face the Knight of the Long Knives.

00:27:04.000 That's all we ever hear.

00:27:05.000 And so what it comes down to is, according to this law, if you criticize the government of the state of Israel, a foreign government, you would be in violation under Title VI.

00:27:18.000 Have we ever seen anything like this in the United States?

00:27:21.000 It's just so misguided.

00:27:23.000 Why do you then think that out of nowhere that while the left is destroying itself, a Republican speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, threw this onto the House floor?

00:27:35.000 I know so many Jews that are upset with this.

00:27:37.000 In fact, we have this amazing Jewish friend from Chicago who just messaged me saying, we didn't ask for this.

00:27:43.000 We don't want this.

00:27:44.000 This is insane.

00:27:46.000 I mean, I don't even know.

00:27:48.000 I was just texting with Mark Levin and others, and Ben Shapiro has publicly come out against this.

00:27:55.000 And yet, the Republicans in Congress, were they afraid of voting no against a bill that was anti-Semitism?

00:28:02.000 Help me break this down, Michael, because I'll repeat it for those that are just tuning in.

00:28:07.000 Jew hatred, no place in decent society.

00:28:10.000 However, you're allowed to say things that are indecent. 0.90

00:28:14.000 So especially we're talking about penalties now where you can go after students on campuses.

00:28:20.000 I'm trying to understand and grapple why with all the pressing problems in our country, Republicans especially feel the need to go obliterate the First Amendment.

00:28:31.000 I think it's a typical moral panic.

00:28:34.000 And I'm all for taking morality very seriously, and I like urgent action, but we can't allow our passions to run away with our reason.

00:28:44.000 Yes, there is an increase in Jew hatred on college campuses.

00:28:48.000 It is a left-wing problem.

00:28:50.000 The campuses are run by the left.

00:28:52.000 The students who go there are left-wing.

00:28:54.000 The faculty who work there are left-wing.

00:28:57.000 It's funded by left-wing donors.

00:28:59.000 It's an intra-left fight. 0.98

00:29:02.000 Now, when my opponents are fighting, I usually like to let them do it, especially when they look so ridiculous. 0.80

00:29:08.000 It's not as though this were BLM and they're torching the country for eight months. 0.98

00:29:12.000 This is just a bunch of leftists making themselves look absolutely terrible.

00:29:17.000 But they are saying some really rotten things, and they are shutting down classrooms, and that's very disordered.

00:29:21.000 And so the Republicans, I think, are rushing in.

00:29:25.000 And they say at a political level, they realize that Jew hatred doesn't play in Peoria, actually.

00:29:31.000 Most people find that repellent, and most Americans support the State of Israel.

00:29:35.000 And that's especially true among conservative Christian Republicans.

00:29:40.000 They don't like this, and they want to pick a side, and they want to identify the Democrats with Hamas.

00:29:45.000 That's true.

00:29:46.000 But you know what Americans like more, even than the State of Israel, which they broadly support?

00:29:51.000 They like the First Amendment.

00:29:53.000 They like our tradition of free speech with its traditional limits and standards and norms and taboos.

00:29:59.000 And you know what else Americans like?

00:30:01.000 They like the Bible, and they don't want to be punished for reading the Bible.

00:30:04.000 And Americans like their ability to participate in public debate.

00:30:09.000 It was just such an overreach.

00:30:11.000 And that combined with the ignorance and the cowardice and the laziness of members who saw the headline, Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.

00:30:22.000 They don't want to be identified as anti-Semites.

00:30:26.000 This is one of the worst things you could possibly be called.

00:30:28.000 And so they vote for it.

00:30:30.000 But not all that glitters is gold, guys.

00:30:33.000 And I just think it was a completely unforced political error from Speaker Johnson and the House Republicans.

00:30:42.000 I hope they just scrapped the whole thing.

00:30:43.000 But at the very least, the Senate needs to shoot it down pronto.

00:30:47.000 Well, they do that a lot, it seems.

00:30:48.000 You know, it's funny.

00:30:49.000 I have the Constitution here.

00:30:52.000 You know, just the last couple of weeks, Mike Johnson has said the Fourth Amendment and the First Amendment don't matter.

00:30:57.000 He's really, he's on pace.

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00:31:01.000 Glad we have a Republican as Speaker of the House.

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00:32:14.000 So, Michael Knowles, I could read from 1 Thessalonians 2, 14 through 16.

00:32:18.000 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God's churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus.

00:32:22.000 You suffered from your own people the same thing those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets that drove us out. 0.99

00:32:29.000 They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved. 1.00

00:32:34.000 In this way, they also heap their sins to the limit.

00:32:36.000 The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

00:32:38.000 So this is just the context.

00:32:40.000 This is the Apostle Paul writing to the early church in Thessalonica, which is in Greece.

00:32:45.000 You understand all these things in context.

00:32:47.000 That is not an anti-Semitic chapter or verse.

00:32:51.000 This is Paul, who was born a Jew and became obviously a Christian.

00:32:55.000 And so why are there not more Christian groups outraged about this, Michael Knowles?

00:33:00.000 I think it's mostly that people didn't know about it.

00:33:05.000 These kinds of laws, they just kind of sneak through and you read the headline and you don't even examine the consequences.

00:33:12.000 Because think about how this law was crafted.

00:33:15.000 I mean, the fact that any Republican would even vote for a law that was crafted in this way is shocking.

00:33:23.000 The law is supposed to add these new prohibitions on anti-Semitism, but the law doesn't define anti-Semitism.

00:33:30.000 Don't you think if you're going to prohibit something by law, you should define the thing that you're prohibiting?

00:33:35.000 But they don't.

00:33:36.000 They give it to this outside group to come up with whatever definition it wants, which I suppose means that if the group changes the definition at some point, then I don't know, then the prohibition changes.

00:33:48.000 Meaning this outside group now has some power to alter in perpetuity American law.

00:33:54.000 And so then I went to the outside group and I read the definition, and it was no definition at all.

00:34:00.000 It was just a bunch of gobbledygook that was totally circular that said that the word means whatever we want it to mean.

00:34:05.000 And so then you have to go even further down the page to read these examples.

00:34:08.000 And the first example or two, you say, oh, okay, well, that makes sense.

00:34:12.000 But then you have to get down to the 10th and 11th example.

00:34:14.000 And you say, hold on, you're banning 1 Thessalonians.

00:34:18.000 You're banning the Gospel of St. John.

00:34:20.000 You're banning the traditional understanding of the faith that's persisted for 2,000 years.

00:34:26.000 To your point, Charlie, obviously these verses have to be understood within context.

00:34:30.000 And it's theologically important to remember that it is the Roman state that executes Jesus. 0.88

00:34:37.000 And the reason it's theologically important is because our Lord was not just murdered by a robber on the street or something.

00:34:44.000 This was not an accident.

00:34:46.000 He was a sacrifice by the civil authority, which in this case, we're talking about the Roman Empire, has the right to rule, practically speaking, the whole world.

00:34:55.000 This is the fullness of time in which our Lord is born under the reign of Caesar Augustus, the prince of peace, the prince of terrestrial peace.

00:35:02.000 He's the prince of true peace and eternal peace.

00:35:05.000 Theologically, this matters because our Lord redeems not only salvation history, he redeems secular history true, the whole world.

00:35:13.000 You know, every knee shall bow.

00:35:14.000 And so that's very important context.

00:35:17.000 And also, as we see in the Gospel of St. John, in the Passion narrative In 1 Thessalonians and in the book of Acts and elsewhere, also, it is the Jewish high priests who hand our Lord over to the Romans and who demand that he be executed.

00:35:31.000 So I'm all for context.

00:35:33.000 Obviously, I'm all for reading scripture.

00:35:35.000 And I think the more we delve into the faith, the more beautiful it even appears to us.

00:35:40.000 So now we've got ostensibly Christians in the Congress who are saying, no, we have to censor parts of the Bible, censor parts of the liturgy and the Mass.

00:35:51.000 What?

00:35:52.000 You know, I just love hearing Catholics say we need to dive into the scriptures.

00:35:56.000 I think that's true.

00:35:57.000 It's very rare.

00:36:00.000 We don't crack the spine.

00:36:02.000 We read it liturgically, but I have to admit, I played a Bible trivia game, name the verse, name the character with a Protestant friend of mine.

00:36:11.000 And you Protestants, you know, you crack the spine of it quite a fair bit. 1.00

00:36:19.000 I say in all humility, it's just a couple times a day.

00:36:24.000 That's okay.

00:36:25.000 That's all right.

00:36:25.000 So we don't really have a lot of time to get into this, but Michael, how should we think about abortion?

00:36:30.000 Okay.

00:36:31.000 You know, it's going to be a brutal issue this election year, and everyone's talking about, are we going to remain really, really pro-life?

00:36:36.000 Are we going to squish and embrace baby killing or something?

00:36:39.000 They're only thinking about it on one axis.

00:36:42.000 You can have another axis, and that is, do you talk about it a lot?

00:36:45.000 Do you talk about it a little?

00:36:47.000 This is not a top issue.

00:36:48.000 Inflation, immigration, the wars, these are issues that are very, very important to people.

00:36:53.000 Biden is deeply underwater on all of them.

00:36:56.000 He wants to make the election about abortion, putting Republicans in a tough position.

00:37:00.000 We need to maintain our principles and defend life because it's the moral thing to do.

00:37:03.000 In the long run, I think it's the politically right thing to do.

00:37:06.000 And we need to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves, to quote scripture, and recognize that in prudence, we can not talk about the issue all the time.

00:37:15.000 We can articulate our views and then focus the fight on Biden, where he's weak, where people are really focused all the way to November.

00:37:23.000 Matthew 10, 16, I think it's still legal to use that Bible verse.

00:37:25.000 Michael Knowles, thanks so much.

00:37:27.000 Appreciate it.

00:37:27.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:37:28.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:31.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 03, 2024

The Only Republican To Defend Kristi Noem? with Michael Knowles

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