The Charlie Kirk Show - October 19, 2023


The Origins of Woke with Richard Hanania


Episode Stats


Length

33 minutes

Words per minute

188.78192

Word count

6,406

Sentence count

454

Harmful content

Misogyny

14

sentences flagged

Toxicity

12

sentences flagged

Hate speech

12

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

Where does wokeness come from? In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk sits down with Richard Hananiah, author of the new book Origins of Woke, to discuss the origins of the term "woke."

Transcript

Transcripts from "The Charlie Kirk Show" are sourced from the Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool. Explore them interactively here.
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Toxicity classifications generated with s-nlp/roberta_toxicity_classifier .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today Charlie Kirk show Richard Hananiah new book Origins of Woke joins us.
00:00:04.000 I think you'll really enjoy this conversation.
00:00:06.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:09.000 Become a member, go to charliekirk.com and click on the members tab.
00:00:12.000 Get involved with turning pointusa at tpusa.com, sorry, high school or college chapter today at tpusa.com.
00:00:20.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:22.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:25.000 Buckle up everybody here.
00:00:26.000 We go.
00:00:27.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:29.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:31.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:34.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:37.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:38.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:40.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:48.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:57.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:00.000 Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com.
00:01:09.000 I can't tell you how many friends of mine have been texting me.
00:01:11.000 Charlie, you have to have Richard on.
00:01:14.000 You have to have Richard on.
00:01:15.000 Origins of Woke is the name of the book.
00:01:19.000 And Richard Hananaya joins us.
00:01:21.000 I hope I said that right, Richard.
00:01:22.000 Richard, welcome to the program.
00:01:24.000 This is part of a series of conversations we are doing about where does woke come from.
00:01:30.000 You know, the book that really changed my perspective on this was, of course, Christopher Caldwell's book, Age of Entitlement, where he dared to question the idea of the origin of the civil rights law.
00:01:41.000 So we're going to spend the whole hour on this.
00:01:42.000 I just want to talk about some of your pieces on foreign policy.
00:01:45.000 But first, Richard, take some time to introduce yourself to our audience.
00:01:48.000 Yeah, well, I'm glad to be here, Charlie.
00:01:50.000 I mean, I've always been a big fan of your show.
00:01:52.000 I've been a big fan of what, you know, the empire you've built.
00:01:55.000 I'm a lapsed academic.
00:01:57.000 I was, you know, I got my degree from UCLA.
00:02:00.000 I've been at Columbia.
00:02:01.000 I've been at the University of Texas until recently.
00:02:05.000 At some point, you know, I found out it was better to go off on my own.
00:02:08.000 So now people can find me on Substack and Twitter.
00:02:11.000 And yeah, I'm just a guy who writes about American politics.
00:02:14.000 Well, very cool.
00:02:15.000 Tell us about your book.
00:02:16.000 And, you know, it's really important because it's probably one of the most used terms right now in the country.
00:02:23.000 Woke, woke, woke, woke.
00:02:25.000 I think most conservatives can define what woke is.
00:02:30.000 Maybe call everything racist till you control it.
00:02:32.000 Write things that make no sense reasonably or rationally.
00:02:35.000 Some people can't, but very few people have done the research to say, where does this come from?
00:02:41.000 And you've done a phenomenal job in this book, Origins of Woke, to do the research.
00:02:46.000 And you say here, and I want to just read part of the introduction, that this has been over a decade of thinking.
00:02:52.000 It was only in the mid-2010s that the subject of wokeness came to dominate political discourse.
00:02:56.000 The phenomenon seemed to start on college campuses, but in a few years it has migrated to other institutions.
00:03:02.000 So Richard, where does this come from?
00:03:03.000 What thinkers, what philosophers started what we now call the woke?
00:03:09.000 Yeah, so Caldwell's book talked about the Civil Rights Act.
00:03:12.000 And it was really the years after the Civil Rights Act where government bureaucrats, judges, people, you know, like the EEOC and other departments of the executive branch, they came out and they started basically interpreting non-discrimination in the way that we consider, you know, that we would call woke today.
00:03:31.000 People think these are new ideas, for example, that if cops harass one race more than others or they or one group does better on a test than the other, the test must somehow be racist.
00:03:42.000 This was the interpretation of the Civil Rights Act from like the first decade, right?
00:03:47.000 And you could actually trace in the book.
00:03:50.000 I don't focus on thinkers as much like my friend Chris Ruffo does and some other people in their books, because you can really show how it's pretty direct from the government.
00:03:59.000 The government basically says you have to think about race this way.
00:04:02.000 You have to classify your workforce this way.
00:04:04.000 And you see historically the rise in, for example, human resources departments, which start just going up on the 1960s, 1970s.
00:04:13.000 You see Title IX used at the universities where the government, I mean, it's direct.
00:04:16.000 It's not, you know, it's the government coming in and saying, you have to hire these people.
00:04:20.000 You have to treat men and women.
00:04:23.000 You have to sort of micromanage their sexual relations.
00:04:26.000 You have to change your sports programs.
00:04:28.000 And so, yeah, the argument of the book is that basically it was the perversion of the Civil Rights Act and a few laws that came after it that really forced institutions to become hyper-aware of race and sex and to judge people on that basis, even if there was no, even if companies didn't want to, even if they didn't buy into the ideology, it became something like a state religion starting in the 1960s and 1970s, and it's only expanded until then.
00:04:53.000 Yeah, and it created this regime.
00:04:56.000 And also, it's now had impact in culture.
00:04:59.000 And so, Richard, I want to just ask this question.
00:05:02.000 Typically, the American right will use the Breitbart quote, which I think can be right.
00:05:08.000 Politics flows downstream from culture.
00:05:10.000 But in some ways, culture can also flow downstream from politics.
00:05:14.000 You can legislate things that can then impact the culture.
00:05:18.000 Do you believe that is true, especially when it comes to wokeism?
00:05:22.000 Because in some ways, we were heavily legislating something, whether it be affirmative action hiring quotas, whether it be race-based preferential treatment, you know, disciplining based on race.
00:05:35.000 And in some ways, that built this standard in American life that the unforgivable sin was thou shall not even think a racist thought.
00:05:45.000 It was worse than being a crummy person, worse than even, quite honestly, some sexual crimes. 0.52
00:05:50.000 It was worse that you've even had a thought of racism in your mind. 0.89
00:05:54.000 How did that come to be?
00:05:56.000 And do you believe that politics actually can influence culture as equally as culture can influence politics?
00:06:02.000 Yeah, I'm glad you bring up the Breitbart code, Charlie.
00:06:05.000 You know, it's obviously both.
00:06:07.000 I mean, imagine a world where politics didn't influence culture or culture didn't influence politics and law.
00:06:12.000 Look, I mean, regulations come from the government.
00:06:14.000 Businesses have to go through their, you know, go through their work thinking about these regulations and thinking about what's going to get me in trouble, what's going to bring good press, what's going to keep the federal government off my back.
00:06:25.000 And so, in many cases, you can see the direct connection between the law and then the culture.
00:06:32.000 So, for example, how we classify race.
00:06:35.000 The words, you know, Hispanic and Latino, you know, I show an analysis of Google Engrams and the word like AAPI, Asian American Pacific Islander, didn't exist in the English language, really.
00:06:45.000 I couldn't find any use of it in any book before 1975 using the Google Engram search.
00:06:50.000 But then, governments put these groups together, and suddenly we have AAPI Heritage Month.
00:06:55.000 Suddenly, we have AAPI hate, right? 0.97
00:06:58.000 Like these categories that make no sense.
00:07:00.000 And people start talking about individual ethnicities like Mexican-American or Puerto Ricans less than they did in previous decades.
00:07:08.000 So, in many cases, you can actually see the direct connection between the government doing something and then the culture changing.
00:07:15.000 You know, the idea that, like, for example, tests are racist, this was not part of American culture in the 1980s and 1990s, for example, but it was part of law in 1971, the Griggs v. Duke power case.
00:07:26.000 So, the government first told people that it's racist if you have a test where whites do better than blacks or any, really any hiring criterion on which whites do better than blacks.
00:07:35.000 And that didn't become part of the culture until decades, decades later.
00:07:39.000 So, I think in the case of wokeness, you could trace it pretty directly by just looking at the history and looking at things chronologically.
00:07:46.000 These things were mandated by law, or there were classifications or regulations that people or businesses or institutions had to adopt.
00:07:53.000 And then the culture changed decades down the line.
00:07:56.000 So, in some ways, this was inevitable, right?
00:07:59.000 You can't build this entire civil rights leviathan or machine that has such a hyper-fixation on race and then act as if race will stop being a big part of the American narrative and political life.
00:08:16.000 And the country I desire to live in is where race really isn't that big of a deal at all.
00:08:21.000 It's the country that I used to live in, at least culturally.
00:08:24.000 Now it's the exact opposite.
00:08:26.000 And so, what we saw, at least how I understand, is that in an attempt or an intention to de-emphasize race, we actually live in a country that is more focused on race anytime since the 1960s.
00:08:40.000 Riff on that, Richard.
00:08:42.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, you and I both want to live in that country where people are judged based on their individual attributes and accomplishments.
00:08:49.000 The federal government, I mean, the point of my book is the federal government has made that impossible.
00:08:52.000 You want government contracts?
00:08:54.000 They're telling you, classify all your employees by race and sex, see how many of each group that you have.
00:08:59.000 This is since the 1970s.
00:09:00.000 This is not something that just, you know, Obama or Biden did.
00:09:04.000 So you're absolutely right.
00:09:05.000 I think it's sort of miraculous like how long it took for us to become this race obsessed.
00:09:11.000 And I think that, yeah, we're going to have to change the laws in order to go back to the country that you and I both want.
00:09:16.000 Origins of Woke is the name of the book.
00:09:20.000 It's being very well reviewed and it is very deep because people say, Charlie, where does this come from?
00:09:25.000 Let me read to you some of the chapter titles.
00:09:29.000 For example, government as the creator of new races and genders, social engineering as a cause of stagnation and social strife, Republicans and civil rights law, and what is to be done.
00:09:40.000 You can check it out, Origins of Woke.
00:09:43.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
00:09:45.000 Aren't you tired of not making a difference?
00:09:46.000 You can.
00:09:47.000 We can make a difference standing for life by giving free ultrasounds with our friends at pre-born.
00:09:52.000 In a Dobbs world, states decide about abortion, and so many liberal states are taking extreme stands, even allowing abortion up to literally the second before a baby is born.
00:10:01.000 It's unbelievable, but true.
00:10:03.000 And in California, the demand for abortions has increased 400% in part because the state is inviting women and girls to come to California for the sole purpose of aborting their baby.
00:10:14.000 This is abortion trafficking.
00:10:16.000 Take a stand for life by providing an ultrasound for a young woman. 0.99
00:10:19.000 When you do, she is twice as likely to choose life.
00:10:22.000 I'm a donor and you should be too to pre-born.
00:10:24.000 Just $28 provides that ultrasound and saves one baby.
00:10:27.000 $140 saves five.
00:10:29.000 A gift of $15,000 provides an ultrasound machine that can save thousands of babies for years to come.
00:10:35.000 Call 833-850-2229 or click on the pre-born banner at charliekirk.com.
00:10:40.000 That is charliekirk.com and click on the pre-born banner.
00:10:46.000 So some of these laws say, quote, you can't discriminate based on race or sex, but the exact opposite ends up happening with mandatory discrimination.
00:10:55.000 How did that happen?
00:10:56.000 It's really amazing.
00:10:57.000 So you go back to when they're passing the Civil Rights Act, and you have these, you have these senators.
00:11:03.000 I mean, people knew that reverse discrimination was a possibility.
00:11:06.000 They knew that there could be something like disparate impact, where you would just declare tests or other kinds of things racist because one group did better than the other.
00:11:14.000 And they swore up and down.
00:11:15.000 The senators who were trying to get their colleagues to vote for the Civil Rights Act, they swore up and down.
00:11:19.000 They said, if there's anything in here for quotas, Hubert Humphrey said, you know, I'll eat the bill.
00:11:22.000 I'll start eating the pages of the bill.
00:11:24.000 There was others who said an employer can still set the standard as high as he wants, even if all of his employees end up being white.
00:11:32.000 All they said was we are ending racial discrimination, Jim Crow-style discrimination, and discrimination also in the private sector too.
00:11:38.000 But that meant explicit, intentional discrimination, not wanting to hire a group of people, right?
00:11:44.000 And, you know, everyone, the Civil Rights Act gets signed.
00:11:47.000 Everyone is sort of happy Americans pat themselves on the back because they think they overcame the racist, the race problem because it was, you know, it was something limited to the South and they were moving beyond it.
00:11:58.000 And, you know, the U.S. goes back to, you know, most of the country goes back to their normal lives and their normal politics.
00:12:05.000 But these bureaucrats who are concerned with racial equity, a lot of them sort of have communist or socialist backgrounds, they keep working and they push for numerical representation.
00:12:16.000 And when they get to court, they think they're going to lose, but the judges actually end up agreeing with them.
00:12:21.000 They end up throwing out the original intent of the Civil Rights Act.
00:12:24.000 And they basically implement what today we would call the racial equity agenda.
00:12:28.000 And so, yeah, we've been in this place for the last 50 years where even if you, you know, until recently, until sort of the rise of people like Ibram Kendi and Robin DiAngelo, your mainstream leftists would still say, you know, we want to treat people as individuals.
00:12:43.000 Oh, maybe black people haven't been treated so fairly so fairly in the past.
00:12:46.000 Maybe we need to do something to overcome discrimination.
00:12:49.000 But the ideal was always there that we would be treated sort of as individuals.
00:12:54.000 But the law has never been that.
00:12:55.000 Like the people need to understand that.
00:12:57.000 The law has required racial classification, has required employers, private institutions to take steps to restrict speech in order not to create a hostile work environment.
00:13:10.000 And so I really go in depth in how like you think you've lived your whole life in a country where race doesn't matter, or at least everyone aspired to a world where race doesn't matter.
00:13:20.000 Your federal government has not been acting like that for a very, very long time.
00:13:23.000 And I just want to sort of expose that and get people excited about potentially changing it.
00:13:29.000 So the question I have then is if they can totally invert the law, then how do we then fix it?
00:13:35.000 And can't they just invert the next law they pass?
00:13:38.000 Or is there some sort of a trick or some sort of lesson that we can learn so that the next intent is not just used if we're able to actually fix this legislatively?
00:13:48.000 Yeah.
00:13:48.000 So I think when people think that, oh, are they going to twist the law?
00:13:52.000 Are they going to invert it?
00:13:52.000 I think often they're thinking about universities.
00:13:55.000 And I think that's right in the university context.
00:13:57.000 Like I'm glad that the Supreme Court has outlawed affirmative action on university campuses.
00:14:02.000 But look, the universities are far left-wing people.
00:14:05.000 They're going to find a way just because this is who they are.
00:14:08.000 I mean, they are obsessed with race.
00:14:10.000 They're obsessed.
00:14:11.000 They have these radical views on gender and sexual orientation and everything.
00:14:14.000 And that's a real problem.
00:14:16.000 The rest of society, though, like the private institutions, people worry about woke capital.
00:14:22.000 They're just trying to make money.
00:14:23.000 They're trying to live a quiet life.
00:14:25.000 Even in the last few years, just with a little bit of pushback from conservatives, people have been sort of abandoning woke capital.
00:14:31.000 Conservatives have actually been winning these boycotts in these culture war where companies aren't becoming conservative, but at the very least, they're taking a step back and saying, maybe we don't want to be at the forefront of Pride Month or any of these other things.
00:14:44.000 And so, yeah, I do think that there are places where the ideology of the places are so far gone.
00:14:50.000 Conservatives just don't have representation within universities' admissions departments.
00:14:55.000 And those people have different ideals.
00:14:57.000 And it's great to make their lives harder.
00:14:59.000 It's great to make them have to hide it or make them have to do this or that.
00:15:03.000 But I think for the rest of society, particularly private institutions and just like the lived experience of most Americans most of the time, public opinion is with conservatives on these issues.
00:15:14.000 All polls show that when they go to the ballot box and vote on initiatives, we know we see that people want colorblindness.
00:15:21.000 So I'm optimistic that we change the laws, we fix them in a smart way, we can potentially change the culture.
00:15:28.000 We're finally waking up and realizing that the ideal that we thought we were living under is not quite that, that it's a different legislative reality.
00:15:38.000 And that a huge part of the menace of the anti-white hatred that is happening in our country is made possible because of the legislative fights that we didn't pick the last couple of decades.
00:15:54.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
00:15:55.000 And like many of you, I'm a busy guy balancing family, show, travel, and TPUSA.
00:15:59.000 When I needed a mortgage, I went to my friends Andrew Delray and Todd of Aiki at Sierra Pacific.
00:16:04.000 They were amazing.
00:16:05.000 And look, I had some complicated stuff.
00:16:07.000 Don't need to go into the details.
00:16:08.000 They handled it personally.
00:16:11.000 Call them if you have an aging family member, for example, that needs some financial relief.
00:16:15.000 Ask them about a reverse mortgage.
00:16:17.000 If you're self-employed and are finding it difficult to qualify because of that, they have my 100% full and complete endorsement.
00:16:23.000 Call them and help you prepare.
00:16:25.000 I'm telling you, anything mortgage-related, please call them and not the big woke bags. 0.97
00:16:29.000 Go to AndrewandTodd.com.
00:16:30.000 That's AndrewandTodd.com.
00:16:32.000 Fill out the quick form and they will get back to you with answers.
00:16:34.000 Call them at 888-888-1172-andrewandtodd.com.
00:16:38.000 They're good friends of mine.
00:16:39.000 Full and complete endorsement.
00:16:41.000 If you are a first-time homebuyer, renting, and want to be, they'll call and help you prepare.
00:16:45.000 Check it out.
00:16:46.000 AndrewandTodd.com.
00:16:47.000 That is AndrewNTodd.com.
00:16:49.000 Fill out the quick form and they'll get you back with answers, AndrewandTodd.com.
00:16:55.000 So, Richard, I want to get to one part of this, which I want to dedicate the most of our time on.
00:16:58.000 And people have got to check out the book, Origins of Woke, which I want to talk about what then can be done.
00:17:02.000 That is chapter seven of your book.
00:17:04.000 We are an action-oriented show.
00:17:06.000 We have a lot of grassroots warriors that listen.
00:17:08.000 From your experience, legislative is one thing, but I want to talk more about cultural, even language that is used.
00:17:16.000 What are the greatest vulnerabilities in the woke regime?
00:17:20.000 Where are their weaknesses that we can exploit?
00:17:25.000 Yeah, so I mean, it's very focused on legislation.
00:17:28.000 I mean, legislation is hard.
00:17:30.000 That's obviously true.
00:17:32.000 But some things are relatively easy within the political system, like executive orders and judicial decisions.
00:17:38.000 Vivek Ramaswamy has promised to repeal the executive order because I told him about it, about the, that requires affirmative action in government contracting, which covers a huge part of the private workforce.
00:17:50.000 So a president can do that on day one.
00:17:52.000 I have those kinds of, I have those kinds of suggestions.
00:17:55.000 I have a nice table which tells you what judges can do, what legislatures can do, what states can do, what potentially the next president can do.
00:18:04.000 And so, yeah, I think people should really like, I think people should look at what Vivek is saying about these things and sort of encourage other presidential candidates to make promises on these matters, the ones that I highlight in the book.
00:18:17.000 And so, yeah, there's that.
00:18:18.000 And I think there's the understanding, you know, there has to be an understanding that this is, you know, conservatives win on this issue.
00:18:25.000 I mean, Glenn Youngkin, when he, you know, when he won the governorship of Virginia, it was about, you know, it was about the schools and what they're teaching kids.
00:18:31.000 It was just sort of wokeness and civil rights law, you know, just sort of implemented in education curriculum.
00:18:37.000 People did it like that, right?
00:18:38.000 So there's some conservative positions that are popular, some are unpopular.
00:18:41.000 Treat people as individuals.
00:18:43.000 Don't give them special privileges on account of race.
00:18:46.000 Don't let liberals get away with the lie that all they want is to end discrimination, right?
00:18:51.000 Don't let them get away with the lie that all they're doing is looking for a level playing field because you can see throughout the law and throughout what the things that get them angry and what they're pushing for, that that's not absolutely true.
00:19:03.000 So there is a culture component to this, and there is a legal sort of bureaucratic judicial component to this that people can start pushing on, pushing back on immediately.
00:19:12.000 So what people don't realize is that when it is left to the voters and affirmative action is asked the population, affirmative action is deeply unpopular.
00:19:22.000 It loses almost every single time.
00:19:24.000 Even in California, it loses.
00:19:26.000 And I know you mentioned this in the book, that conservatives should actually run on this electorally, but they're afraid to.
00:19:33.000 And this is another part, another element here.
00:19:35.000 If I were to say one of the strengths of the bad guys, one of the strengths of the wokeys is they're able to weaponize name-calling, the R-word, to create the American right to be in a state of perpetual paralysis.
00:19:50.000 That we will do, we'll talk about tax cuts and we'll talk about regulatory reform, but we won't actually talk about, I don't know, anti-white race-based discrimination and hiring practices in college universities.
00:20:04.000 all across the board.
00:20:05.000 So Richard, talk about how not only is it the moral right thing to do, it's actually insanely popular to get rid of these laws, these traditions that discriminate against groups of people, in particular, white people.
00:20:21.000 And then I'm going to do a follow-up question on the war on white people in a second.
00:20:23.000 But Richard, please.
00:20:25.000 Yeah, you're right, Charlie.
00:20:27.000 I mean, and Republicans have traditionally been afraid of these issues.
00:20:31.000 I think that's changing.
00:20:32.000 I think conservative media now is focusing the focusing Republican politicians and they care more about that than they do the mainstream press.
00:20:41.000 I just saw a news story a couple of months ago that Greg Abbott in Texas banned DEI hiring within Texas state government.
00:20:48.000 You know, great, but, you know, Texas, you know, Texas has been controlled by a Republican governor for 30 years, right?
00:20:54.000 I mean, they could have done this a very, very long time ago.
00:20:56.000 The fact that they're doing it now, I mean, first of all, shows that Republicans have sort of been asleep, you know, asleep at the wheel for these last several decades, but also that something is changing.
00:21:06.000 I mean, because of my book, because of people like Rufo really bringing to people's attentions, you know, just how pernicious and how deep, you know, and thanks to people like Kendi, to be frank, who just made it so obvious that the liberals had lost their minds.
00:21:18.000 And so, yeah, I think you're right.
00:21:20.000 Historically, you're right that it has been difficult.
00:21:22.000 It's getting easier, and I think conservatives are waking up.
00:21:25.000 I mean, even during Trump's presidency, we saw some hints of this.
00:21:32.000 We saw them rolling back the Title IX stuff at universities.
00:21:35.000 We saw the ban on critical race theory, trainings in government.
00:21:38.000 That was in the last few months of the administration.
00:21:40.000 I think the next Republican administration is going to be doing this stuff.
00:21:44.000 People like me and you keep the pressure on.
00:21:45.000 They'll be doing it in the first few months, and they'll be making regulatory changes that actually stick.
00:21:50.000 So overall, I'm optimistic on this.
00:21:53.000 So let me ask you just about, you talk about the origins of woke, and there is almost this built-in acceptance of just kind of anti-white dialogue and hiring practices across the board.
00:22:09.000 So you sent out a tweet recently that I thought was really smart.
00:22:12.000 You said that, okay, totally get the anti-Jew hatred.
00:22:16.000 People should stop giving to these universities, you know, if it's against your values.
00:22:20.000 But Richard, you also said that there has been a repeated track record of courses at University of Chicago, for example, abolish whiteness. 0.96
00:22:30.000 Yale University had a ridiculous one about getting rid of white people. 0.88
00:22:33.000 I could go through the examples off the top of my head. 0.97
00:22:35.000 But why is it that there is such a resistance to isolate and to stop donations based on that?
00:22:45.000 Where does the self-loathing in waspy upper middle class white America come from where people are okay with that kind of narrative?
00:22:55.000 That I guess it's okay to do a seminar about what's wrong with white people or a struggle session or to have wine moms sit around the table and hire some DEI administrator to berate you. 0.62
00:23:06.000 In fact, there's a video on a play on that in a second.
00:23:08.000 Where does that come from, Richard?
00:23:08.000 It's perplexing to me.
00:23:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, you go back to the civil rights movement and there was, you know, always this idea that there were two groups of Americans, whites and blacks, you know, Native Americans, too.
00:23:21.000 But basically, people saw white as sort of the default American.
00:23:24.000 So there really wasn't a sort of white category.
00:23:26.000 Everything else was marked.
00:23:28.000 I think Jews, because of the history of their distinct religious group and because of the Holocaust and sort of the way we think about ethnicity in these countries, are sort of in this in-between place where they're considered white people, but can also be considered a minority group that could be subject to discrimination.
00:23:44.000 And I think a lot of Jews feel that, and a lot of Christians feel that on behalf of Jews, that when they see open anti-Semitism on university campuses, they're ready to stop donating money to really attack them to take some action based on that.
00:24:00.000 I think white Americans have just been sort of, it's like this concept these left-wing people have that it really is one I think point that they make that's actually true.
00:24:09.000 It's like it's sort of the, it's still seen as sort of the default ethnicity, right?
00:24:13.000 It's sort of seen as like, okay, you're, you're just a white person, right?
00:24:16.000 You could be from Armenia or you could be from Sweden.
00:24:18.000 That's just like sort of the default American and everyone else sort of gets a government category.
00:24:23.000 I think that changes, you know, as white people get attacked for being white, right?
00:24:29.000 I think that, you know, I think that when you say, you know, most people, most people, you know, in a previous generation, 10, 20, 30 years ago, they didn't think of themselves as a white person.
00:24:37.000 Maybe they thought of themselves as an American or maybe Irish or Italian or something like that.
00:24:42.000 But when you really go out of your way to attack people as a group, that builds a kind of group consciousness.
00:24:51.000 And, you know, I don't want white racial consciousness. 0.86
00:24:52.000 I don't want racial consciousness for any group of people. 0.73
00:24:55.000 But I think this is an inevitable backlash to the way liberals have been sort of thinking about and talking about race.
00:25:03.000 It's still not there yet, where like whites are still not completely comfortable pushing back against that against this stuff, but we're getting there.
00:25:09.000 And I think that like, you know, I think that people are just sort of understanding the left has sort of forced it on people to think about these things in a way they didn't really want to before.
00:25:19.000 Yeah, I mean, there's an ugliness that they're almost inviting here.
00:25:22.000 And I don't know if they even thought this through.
00:25:24.000 I want to play this piece of tape here, Richard.
00:25:25.000 It's about 40 seconds long. 1.00
00:25:27.000 And it's a bunch of white women sitting around the table and they hire this black lady to berate them to like say like, are you racist? 1.00
00:25:36.000 And they're like, they're literally sipping wine. 1.00
00:25:38.000 Like you could not have it be more stereotypical suburban wine moms.
00:25:43.000 Oh, it's an Indian woman that's the DEI administrator. 0.95
00:25:46.000 I'm sorry.
00:25:46.000 I stand corrected.
00:25:47.000 But no, they do these struggle sessions.
00:25:49.000 And instead of like going out for a movie or having book club, you now have higher struggle session DEI administrator club.
00:25:57.000 They pay for this.
00:25:59.000 Play cut 59.
00:26:00.000 Actually, Margaret, you didn't say yours.
00:26:02.000 What? 1.00
00:26:03.000 You're a racist thing. 0.99
00:26:05.000 Thing that you've done, thought about or done. 0.99
00:26:09.000 You have something inside of you that's not quite like that's racist.
00:26:14.000 So you must have, you must have examples in your own life.
00:26:17.000 I also work in environmental engineering.
00:26:20.000 I have absolutely no people of color or minimal people of color, possibly the exclusion being slightly Hispanic.
00:26:28.000 Saira doesn't like her attitudes.
00:26:31.000 I can say a racist thing you've done because it just happened. 1.00
00:26:34.000 When you just talk to me the way you just did, this is how white women talk to us all the time. 1.00
00:26:40.000 These are microaggressions. 1.00
00:26:43.000 It goes on, Richard.
00:26:44.000 We pay for this.
00:26:45.000 And it's filmed.
00:26:47.000 Rear reaction.
00:26:48.000 I thought this is so powerful. 1.00
00:26:50.000 It's like she's lecturing the poor white lady who shouldn't subject herself to this.
00:26:55.000 This is Maoist struggle session type stuff.
00:26:57.000 Richard, Minute Riff on that, please.
00:26:59.000 Yeah, Charlie, I just look at that group of women and I and I just think as a man, I think we men have failed at some aspect of our lives.
00:27:06.000 The women want to get around and hire this woman to berate them on account of their race. 0.96
00:27:11.000 I think something has gotten terribly wrong with sort of the mentality of the public and just relations between men and women.
00:27:16.000 So I just encourage men, be better.
00:27:19.000 I claim responsibility for this kind of stuff because it really shouldn't happen.
00:27:23.000 Well, it's also, and this is not meant to be misogynistic.
00:27:27.000 A group of men would not do that.
00:27:28.000 I'm sorry, it just wouldn't happen.
00:27:30.000 At some point, when a testosterone level goes over like 300 or 400, you're like, actually, I'm going to use a bunch of four-letter words.
00:27:38.000 Get the heck out of my house.
00:27:38.000 You know, being very nice.
00:27:39.000 Right. 1.00
00:27:40.000 And, you know, these women, you could see her, poor woman. 1.00
00:27:43.000 She knows what she needs. 1.00
00:27:44.000 She needs her husband next to her to go like tell that freak DEI administrator to go get lost.
00:27:51.000 Again, I'm not the first one to say this.
00:27:52.000 There's been plenty of books written on this, and there are more even coming.
00:27:55.000 When you overly feminize the society, the society collapses. 0.96
00:27:59.000 We only talk about what happens when you get too masculine.
00:28:01.000 Okay, you get Mussolini, whatever.
00:28:03.000 What happens? 0.98
00:28:03.000 You get too feminine. 0.98
00:28:04.000 You get fat. 0.83
00:28:05.000 It's really sick.
00:28:08.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
00:28:09.000 As you know, following this week's horrible events, Israel is at war.
00:28:13.000 The people of Israel are under attack from brutal terrorists, targeting innocent civilians, including women and children.
00:28:18.000 There's over a thousand casualties, as well as kidnapping and infiltration of southern Israeli towns.
00:28:22.000 Israel is now retaliating and could escalate with a ground offensive against Hamas militants.
00:28:27.000 The situation is critical, which is why I'm partnering with our friends at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to rush emergency relief to the hardest hit areas.
00:28:34.000 Call the special phone number 800-492-5454 to make an emergency donation.
00:28:39.000 Again, that's 800-492-5454.
00:28:42.000 Your emergency gift will help the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews save lives and provide critical essentials needed right now.
00:28:49.000 During this dark time, the need in war-torn areas will be tremendous.
00:28:52.000 The fellowship has extensive network of staff, partner organizations, and more.
00:28:56.000 Immediately respond with life-saving security and support measures.
00:28:59.000 We ask all people to pray for safety and protection.
00:29:01.000 Call 800-235-887 as we rush urgent need right now to help Israel through the International Fellowship of Christian Jews.
00:29:11.000 Okay, let's play Cut 60.
00:29:12.000 Richard Hananiah continues.
00:29:14.000 White supremacy is said to be hidden in innocuous phrases and banal behavior.
00:29:19.000 The smallest things could be considered racist.
00:29:21.000 It's enough that a person from a minority group feels insulted.
00:29:25.000 Absolutely.
00:29:27.000 Sounding terribly white.
00:29:29.000 I don't know that I was all that racist to start with, but I also would be more aware or hyper-aware of my thoughts or reactions to circumstances that would be racist.
00:29:46.000 All right.
00:29:46.000 So, Richard, that's the second part of the clip.
00:29:48.000 I mean, it worked.
00:29:51.000 She got re-educated.
00:29:52.000 She bought into it.
00:29:53.000 The shame session was great. 0.97
00:29:56.000 And so, Richard, just to close this up, then I do want to talk a little bit about foreign policy just for a second.
00:30:02.000 That kind of self-loathing is civilizational suicide.
00:30:06.000 You can't have that happen on a mass scale and anticipate survival.
00:30:12.000 Richard Hananiah, Origins of Woke, your response.
00:30:16.000 Yeah, I think you're right.
00:30:17.000 And I think if we were facing sort of an existential enemy that was trying to conquer us or something, you're right.
00:30:23.000 This stuff would, first of all, I think this stuff is sort of a luxury that you have when you're very safe.
00:30:29.000 And during World War II, even the early days after 9-11, you didn't see a lot of this stuff.
00:30:35.000 And so you're absolutely right.
00:30:37.000 I think in a case of right now, the Israel-Gaza conflict is going on.
00:30:41.000 You see a lot less of it in Israel.
00:30:43.000 A lot of the pressure for sort of human rights and sort of blaming Israel for the conflict.
00:30:48.000 That's coming more so from the West.
00:30:50.000 But you're absolutely right.
00:30:52.000 There is a sort of foreign policy component to this. 0.98
00:30:54.000 And there's a way that foreign policy and the dangers that you actually feel are related to just how goofy and silly you can be in your domestic politics.
00:31:03.000 In closing here, Richard, you have another book, Public Choice Theory and the Illusion of Grand Strategy, How Generals, Weapons, Manufacturers, and Foreign Government Shape American Foreign Policy. 0.75
00:31:11.000 Huge topic.
00:31:12.000 How should we think about the Israeli conflict unfolding right now?
00:31:19.000 So, yeah, I mean, I have a recent article that said wars of necessity and wars of choice.
00:31:24.000 And I think that, you know, we in America, since, you know, the Second World War, really, have been fighting what have unquestionably been wars of wars of choice, right?
00:31:33.000 And I think Israel is in a war of necessity mode. 0.82
00:31:36.000 I think that what the attacks by Hamas showed in the, you know, last week was that we cannot, you know, this is not, this is not sustainable, right?
00:31:45.000 You can't have a population on your border that fires rockets.
00:31:48.000 It's going to occasionally do raids that you're going to have to worry about them taking, you know, taking women and children hostage, you know, slaughtering families.
00:31:57.000 And so, yeah, I think we should be supporting Israel here.
00:32:00.000 I think this is, you know, the right to self-defense that any government would be entitled to and would, you know, would undertake without hesitation if they were in similar situation.
00:32:12.000 And so, yeah, you know, I hope that the U.S. stays strong by the side of Israel during this conflict.
00:32:17.000 It just sort of understands that for us, the Middle East, we can take it or leave it.
00:32:21.000 We don't have to be involved in the Middle East.
00:32:23.000 We don't have to fight wars.
00:32:24.000 We don't have to think about that region at all if we didn't want to.
00:32:27.000 They don't have that luxury.
00:32:28.000 And so that's why they're in such a tough situation.
00:32:32.000 So Richard Hanania is the author of several books, Origins of Woke being one of them.
00:32:39.000 And very important, Public Choice Theory and the Illusion of Grand Strategy, How Generals, Weapons, Manufacturers, Foreign Governments Shape American Policy.
00:32:47.000 Foreign Policy.
00:32:48.000 One Minute Raining.
00:32:49.000 Richard, anything you want to plug, substack, anything, please make our audience aware of it.
00:32:53.000 Yeah, people can subscribe to my substack.
00:32:56.000 It's just richardhananya.com.
00:32:58.000 I publish articles, you know, a couple times a week usually.
00:33:02.000 They're free.
00:33:02.000 There's no cost to sign up.
00:33:04.000 People can also find me on Twitter.
00:33:06.000 And yeah, Origins of Woke is, you know, it's on Amazon.
00:33:09.000 It's in Audible, Kindle, wherever you get your books.
00:33:14.000 I think that, you know, I think that you'll read the book and you'll sort of understand where this stuff came from.
00:33:18.000 And I think you're going to see sort of American society and governance in a new light.
00:33:21.000 So yes, please get the book.
00:33:23.000 I obviously highly recommend it, but I think your audience will learn something from it.
00:33:27.000 Yeah, it's very deep.
00:33:29.000 Definitely learn something.
00:33:30.000 Richard is also, he is not a boring follow on Twitter.
00:33:33.000 I'll tell you what, you follow Richard on social media.
00:33:37.000 You will be entertained.
00:33:38.000 Richard, thanks for the time.
00:33:39.000 Really appreciate it.
00:33:40.000 Hope to have you on again soon.
00:33:41.000 Thank you.
00:33:41.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:33:42.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:44.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:33:46.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
00:33:52.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.