The Charlie Kirk Show - The Parallel Economy, a National Divorce, and What's Going to Happen in 2024? (Crosspost with The Rubin Report)

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00:01:12.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:57.000 Dave, you're a good friend.

00:01:58.000 Honor to be here.

00:01:59.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:00.000 We've done this a couple of times, and I thought, how can I approach this interview in a way that's a little different than what we've done before?

00:02:07.000 So I thought we'd start off.

00:02:08.000 Give me your top 10 reasons you love Joe Biden.

00:02:13.000 Top 10 reasons I love Joe Biden.

00:02:15.000 That's, you know, I will say he's actually made me prioritize things in life that matter.

00:02:20.000 Not to say politics don't matter, but it's been such a dumpster fire.

00:02:25.000 You have to kind of look outside of all the madness and you're like, okay, what really matters in life, right?

00:02:31.000 Like, what exactly gives you purpose and meaning?

00:02:34.000 Because obviously, the things that, you know, we used to, I used to look at the presidency as something I revere, and I guess I still do.

00:02:41.000 And I love my country, but he's been so awful.

00:02:44.000 It's like, okay, there's a couple of things I can control in my life, like family and relationships, friendships, career.

00:02:50.000 And I'm going to focus on those things.

00:02:52.000 And it's kind of the one of the few things I want to thank Joe Biden for is he has reinforced, at least for me, things that I control and things I cannot control.

00:03:01.000 Unfortunately, I can't control the southern border.

00:03:02.000 I can talk about it.

00:03:03.000 It's wide open and it's a total disaster.

00:03:05.000 But besides that, I'm not sure what else I would put on that list, Dave.

00:03:10.000 I thought maybe you could come up with three.

00:03:12.000 I thought maybe there were going to be three, but I'll accept that.

00:03:15.000 But for a guy like you, yeah, go ahead.

00:03:18.000 Well, I mean, I guess if you want to kind of do the whole like, you know, glass half full thing and the perpetual optimist thing, and the best thing about being surrounded is you can shoot in any direction thing, which is basically, look, I do think that there's been unintended consequences of what this regime has been trying to implement, which is the rise of the citizen.

00:03:38.000 And Trot.

00:03:39.000 I knew you were going to get there.

00:03:40.000 That was one of the three I had in there.

00:03:42.000 And like the homeschooling revolution and people really caring about their country again.

00:03:42.000 Right.

00:03:48.000 And there is a window.

00:03:49.000 There's an opportunity.

00:03:50.000 There's a chance.

00:03:51.000 There's a sliver.

00:03:52.000 I don't think it's by any chance certain that this backfires on them so dramatically that it could be a political realignment, the likes of which our generation we haven't seen in 30 or 40 years.

00:04:04.000 Do you believe in the machine enough to believe that something like that could happen?

00:04:08.000 Because that's the direction I thought you were going to go because it's like everything is so bad.

00:04:12.000 Everything is so upside down.

00:04:14.000 Even for guys like us who expected this thing to be bad, it's worse than most of us could have imagined.

00:04:20.000 But do you think the machine will allow, like just in the last couple of days, watching the narrative on COVID shift, like, do you think it'll allow what should happen to happen, that the voice of the people will actually be heard?

00:04:33.000 Well, thankfully.

00:04:34.000 Between the media and the whole thing.

00:04:36.000 Yeah.

00:04:36.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:04:37.000 Well, no, for sure, of course.

00:04:38.000 Thankfully, critical parts of the machine are falling apart, which gives me hope.

00:04:38.000 Yeah.

00:04:41.000 I mean, CNN is basically a Democrat super PAC that no one watches.

00:04:46.000 Facebook is cratering, which is really, really interesting to see.

00:04:50.000 Rumble, which you and I really care about, is ascending.

00:04:54.000 So there are certain trends right now that kind of go into maybe the machine isn't as strong as it once was.

00:05:00.000 Americans' trust in government is an all-time low.

00:05:03.000 Americans' trust in corporations are at an all-time low.

00:05:06.000 You're starting to see people care more about local than national trends, which is really, really important.

00:05:11.000 So I think the machine is way weaker than it was even a year ago, and let alone five years ago.

00:05:17.000 I think that there is kind of like a natural law component to this where if you try to build a multi-trillion dollar oligarchy or oligopoly, I should say, the laws of gravity are probably going to push back against you at some point.

00:05:30.000 There will be leaks and dissension, civil war, fracturing.

00:05:34.000 And you're seeing a lot of that, not just within the Democrat Party, but within a lot of the superstructures that you and I believe the actual power is vested in.

00:05:42.000 So look, I could have a cynical take where I'm like, you know what, these people always have power.

00:05:47.000 The infrastructure is impenetrable.

00:05:49.000 But I'm not so sure of that.

00:05:51.000 I think that there is a revival to challenge all these institutions.

00:05:55.000 And Dave, you've played a really important part in this, which is those of us that love freedom and love the Constitution as the greatest political document ever, we're building our own infrastructure.

00:06:04.000 We're building our own machine.

00:06:06.000 And that's been a really exciting trend.

00:06:08.000 I think the regime is really surprised by it.

00:06:10.000 I think they're shocked, quite honestly, that we've been able to kind of stand up a YouTube competitor, a payment processing competitor, a Patreon competitor like locals.

00:06:19.000 So quickly, you're starting to see a higher education competitor of University of Austin.

00:06:23.000 And all of a sudden, this kind of this monopoly they had on these certain goods and services and credentialing institutions is being challenged in a very serious way.

00:06:34.000 But they're still way more powerful than us.

00:06:37.000 There's no doubt.

00:06:38.000 But I'm optimistic that there might be some legitimate fault lines that are going to materialize in their demise.

00:06:45.000 That would be a slightly better great reset than the great reset that they've been telling us about.

00:06:51.000 But I'm curious for you.

00:06:53.000 Look, I know you off camera too at this point, but I don't know that I've ever fully asked you this before.

00:06:59.000 Like, you know, you were so obviously a close associate and through turning point in the Trump campaign and you wrote the book, the MAGA Doctrine, the whole thing.

00:07:08.000 To go from that, and, you know, I would go to Turning Point that the night that I met Trump at Mar-Lago, we were at dinner that very night there, and it was after an event you put together and all that stuff.

00:07:18.000 And I say that because you were so associated with that.

00:07:20.000 Now he's not in power.

00:07:22.000 And I just wonder for you personally, like, what did the last year show?

00:07:25.000 I'm not talking about the political part of my guy's not in power anymore, but just like the other, you were part of something that was fun and cool, at least from our perspective.

00:07:34.000 And now you ain't in it.

00:07:35.000 You know, the thing exists, but like it's not in power anymore.

00:07:38.000 So like, what is that just personally for you?

00:07:40.000 Like well, at first it was really demoralizing, not from like an access standpoint or like the fact you could call the president, like whatever.

00:07:46.000 It was just kind of demoralizing for the country, right?

00:07:49.000 I mean, especially the month of January, we're like, okay, you know, at New Year's, I remember thinking, all right, okay, Biden's going to be president.

00:07:56.000 At the very least, we can win these Senate races in Georgia.

00:07:59.000 You know, we can have a check and balance, separation of powers.

00:08:03.000 And then January 5th happened.

00:08:04.000 They're like, okay, we lost that.

00:08:06.000 And then January 6th happened, which was a catastrophe, right?

00:08:10.000 For a variety of different reasons.

00:08:12.000 And so it was a demoralizing couple of weeks in 2021.

00:08:15.000 And our team at Turning Point USA, which has always been educationally focused, and our team at the Charlie Kirk show, which has obviously been very aligned with the Trump doctrine and his worldview, were talking, what do we stand for?

00:08:25.000 And we really went to work.

00:08:26.000 You know, I traveled 330 days in the year of 2021 and went to campuses and churches.

00:08:33.000 And we didn't talk a lot about Trump, honestly.

00:08:35.000 And we didn't talk about Biden either.

00:08:37.000 More than anything else, we talked about what it meant to be an American and what we stood for and why we stood for it.

00:08:42.000 And it was definitely this moment where I also had to kind of reintroduce myself to a lot of people that just kind of knew me as, oh, you're the guy that defends Trump, right?

00:08:52.000 And it was, I think, very well received in a lot of different ways.

00:08:55.000 And I also think it forced our team and our show to go a level deeper.

00:09:00.000 I spent more time in 2021 of reading deep books and spending time in very complex philosophy and really challenging my ideas and why I believe it and where does it come from?

00:09:10.000 Because it wasn't just kind of like, okay, the left is out of their mind.

00:09:14.000 We have to defend the president we have because he's doing a really good job.

00:09:17.000 And you could kind of get really used to that, right?

00:09:20.000 But then all of a sudden, when he's displaced from power, there's a lot of people that are saying, okay, do we want to go back to like the Liz Cheney kind of way of doing things?

00:09:27.000 Or why do we want, you know, borders to be controlled?

00:09:31.000 And so you have to kind of come from that with an approach that is philosophically based and rooted in a natural rights doctrine and also in timeless ideas while also respecting the fruits of the enlightenment, all these really important things.

00:09:43.000 And so I think that we've been, I think we're better because of it, honestly.

00:09:46.000 I think our show is more interesting.

00:09:48.000 I think our organization is stronger.

00:09:50.000 I think we're reaching more people.

00:09:53.000 And, you know, I'm not to say that I'm thankful.

00:09:56.000 I mean, the country's in horrible shape, but I think we were able to use what was an adversarial situation or a set of circumstances to our advantage.

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00:11:04.000 Do you think that they think that they're doing good?

00:11:08.000 I mean, this is a little bit of the road to hell kind of situation.

00:11:11.000 Like, do you think, I mean, I don't know if Biden's in charge at this point, which if you want to comment on that, feel free.

00:11:16.000 But like, when they all put their heads on the pillow, when Saki lays down at night, Biden, the rest of them, the Surgeon General, all of these people that are associated with this thing, Fauci, all of them.

00:11:29.000 Do you really think they're looking at the information, looking at what's going on here, supply chain, inflation, Afghanistan, et cetera, and going, boy, we really are doing a great job.

00:11:41.000 Man, you ask good questions.

00:11:42.000 I got to tell you.

00:11:43.000 I ask questions too every day.

00:11:44.000 And it's a great question because I get this all the time.

00:11:46.000 And people say, what is the motive, right?

00:11:49.000 How do they judge success?

00:11:52.000 What does the whiteboard look like in the outer room of the oval?

00:11:57.000 Are we going towards the mission accomplished or are we getting further away from it?

00:12:02.000 And this is a hard thing for some people on the center right or people that love the Constitution to admit.

00:12:06.000 It's not hard for me to admit because I kind of understand the left really well.

00:12:11.000 I think they're right on schedule for what they want.

00:12:15.000 And I really do believe that they want to be a willing participant in the World Economic Forum great reset.

00:12:22.000 You mentioned it a little bit sarcastically earlier, but you and I both know this is a very real agenda, which is legit.

00:12:28.000 I just spent an hour with Glenn Beck on it.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, and it's, I think that in order to get there, you have to first make America no longer a superpower.

00:12:38.000 And that doesn't mean you have to kill everybody, right?

00:12:40.000 I mean, I think there's some extremes people can take towards describing this, but you definitely have to destroy our currency.

00:12:46.000 You have to deteriorate our sovereignty.

00:12:49.000 You have to erode the national will.

00:12:51.000 And then also you have to create mass uncertainty as to what it means to be an American.

00:12:56.000 And the person that's probably done the best job of this is Nicole Hannah Jones from the 1619 Project.

00:13:01.000 It's something we talk about every single day at Turning Point USA, which is if you can't tell an agreed upon American story, then you just don't have a country.

00:13:08.000 I mean, it's such polar opposites where you and I would look at the American founding as a heroic breakthrough of the human story, where Nicole Hannah Jones looks at it as a regressive moment in the human story.

00:13:20.000 There really isn't much in common from that point forward, right?

00:13:23.000 When you can't agree on the Federalist Papers, the Declaration, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.

00:13:28.000 And so I believe that the people in charge from Ron Klein to Biden, they might have their own little kind of wrinkles of where they think the country should go, but it's definitely in a place where they want to de-emphasize America's role in the world.

00:13:41.000 They want to weaken America, and they think the world will be better because of it.

00:13:45.000 This is the most important thing, though, is that, I mean, in the beginning of Aristotle's ethics, there's this incredible line that is hotly debated, which is all human action points towards some good.

00:13:53.000 Now, you take out the mentally and politically insane from that, but really what he's getting at is that more evil has been done under people believing that they're doing good than anything else.

00:14:04.000 You take Joseph Stalin, he actually thought he was bettering humanity or bettering himself or whatever.

00:14:09.000 Very few people are actually, yes, I'm doing what is wrong and I'm going to keep on doing it.

00:14:14.000 It's a very rare thing.

00:14:15.000 And I think that these people in charge, and no, I don't think Biden's in charge.

00:14:19.000 I think he's a puppet for all these other masters.

00:14:21.000 I actually don't think very much about Biden.

00:14:23.000 I actually really haven't engaged much in kind of the mental decline kind of meme verse, if you will.

00:14:28.000 I think it's a little overdone.

00:14:30.000 We all kind of know he's not there.

00:14:31.000 I'm more interested in the people behind him and the reason they're doing all this.

00:14:36.000 But yes, I think that from the Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen, to Mayorkis to the Educational Secretary, to all of them, I think that they believe that they are all doing what a good comrade should do to try and usher in a globalist type project and the American superpower status of a strong economy, being energy independent, a sound currency, and a national story that we all agree on.

00:15:03.000 Those are things that are right at the heart of their agenda.

00:15:07.000 Do you think that conservatives, whatever this new wide 10 thing is at this point, this anti-woke coalition, and we'll see how tightly it can hold.

00:15:16.000 Do you think we just need a better story?

00:15:18.000 Do you think the story of just telling American history, say, the way we've seen it or the way that you and I have talked about it for a long time, that maybe that isn't enough, just going back to, say, Reagan talking points as good and decent as they are?

00:15:31.000 Like, do we need a new story, a new narrative to craft to capture young people?

00:15:35.000 I mean, obviously that's what you guys are trying to do at Turning Point.

00:15:38.000 But is just saying freedom and individual rights and capitalism, is it not enough that there has to be something else behind that too?

00:15:45.000 It's not enough, but it will be enough this year, which worries me.

00:15:49.000 It will be enough to take back power for Republicans and defeat the woke just to run against the woke. 0.60

00:15:55.000 They're so unpopular.

00:15:56.000 They're so awful at governing.

00:15:58.000 And that's the thing, Dave, is that not only do they have bad ideas, they're actually bad at executing their bad ideas.

00:16:02.000 I mean, it's like the worst possible kind of combination.

00:16:06.000 Well, no, that's the thing where I got in this debate the other day, and someone says, Charlie, we need more technology in government so they can be more efficient.

00:16:12.000 I'm like, you know, I'm actually really glad that they're slow.

00:16:16.000 Yeah.

00:16:17.000 I'm really glad that they take Arbor Day off because if they didn't, then they'd be like Google, which we know how harmful they can be, which we'll get into the whole corporate side of this.

00:16:26.000 But I'm worried because I'm afraid that there's going to be kind of a false stimulus effect to the conservative movement.

00:16:34.000 They're like, oh, all we have to do is run against the woke.

00:16:37.000 We take back every chamber of power, like the Glenn Youngkin thing, right?

00:16:40.000 Where I'm afraid that we're going to need a lot more.

00:16:42.000 And I'll give you an example of what a lot more looks like, which I think conservatives need to think very deeply about a national recovery program.

00:16:48.000 I think that this country has been so severely damaged by unelected bureaucrats, especially young people, most suicidal, drug-addicted, alcohol-addicted, most anxious, depressed, medicated generation in history, that I think there needs to be an intergenerational apology to try to get this generation back on track. 0.93

00:17:05.000 And I'm not saying massive government programs or some sort of climate core like AOC wants, but I think we should try to make it easier to try to have conservatizing events.

00:17:14.000 And the three conservatizing events, if you will just accept the term, is to own property, to get married, and have kids.

00:17:22.000 And hopefully a nice fourth one is have a job that means something to you, right?

00:17:25.000 That isn't like a minimum wage job or some sort of woke social media manager for Goldman Sachs or whatever, right?

00:17:31.000 Those four things are harder than ever for this generation to grab onto.

00:17:37.000 And I think that we need to have pro-market-based conversations outside of just kind of the immediate muscle memory of the dogma of the kind of ghosts of Reagan past and say, how do we make it easier for a 28-year-old that's $100,000 in student loan debt that was locked down for a couple years, right, is really demoralized, might be on an unnecessary regimen of antidepressants.

00:17:59.000 How do we make it easier for them to break through and buy quote-unquote equity in the American project, right?

00:18:06.000 Because that actually is a really good thing for the country.

00:18:08.000 People don't burn down Wendy's if they have a mortgage. 0.58

00:18:13.000 When you're renting all the time, you become a perfect population that could be captured by these kind of woke socialist revolutionaries.

00:18:22.000 And so, no, I don't think it's just enough to kind of have the slogans.

00:18:24.000 I think we need to think creatively about these things.

00:18:27.000 And I think we also need to know why we believe and what we believe it.

00:18:31.000 The Constitution needs to be our North Star.

00:18:33.000 It is the greatest political document ever.

00:18:35.000 Nothing we should do should violate the four basic tenets of the Constitution.

00:18:39.000 Separation of powers, consent to the governed, independent judiciary, and balance of power, basically.

00:18:47.000 That's the core basis of the U.S. Constitution.

00:18:49.000 But with that being said, though, Dave, I think that we have portions of the American population that have been so set back by the lockdowns and government interference that if we don't come up with something more robust or exciting, we're going to be looking at a potential political population that will entertain seriously radical ideas.

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00:19:11.000 We have inflation.

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00:19:15.000 And our government is still borrowing money.

00:19:17.000 Well, actually, printing money.

00:19:18.000 $5 trillion in new money, to be exact.

00:19:20.000 What could go wrong?

00:19:21.000 Meanwhile, consumer confidence hits a 10-year low.

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00:20:10.000 You know, you see those pictures online of, you know, Stacey Abrams unmasked in front of the kids and Hokul over in New York smiling with the kids.

00:20:19.000 It's like these kids are going to do some pretty horrible things to old people one day.

00:20:23.000 You can really feel it.

00:20:24.000 Do you, not just to talk about it at an idea level, but because you're around so many college kids, kids, I mean, they're young adults, through Turning Point, have you seen a real shift in their attitudes on this stuff?

00:20:36.000 You know, we go to the events.

00:20:37.000 When I go to Turning Point Events, it's always so positive and fun and all that stuff.

00:20:41.000 But like, have you seen a difference in the way they're reacting with the ideas or resentment or whatever it might be?

00:20:49.000 Definitely on the center right for sure.

00:20:51.000 Our students are pushing back like crazy.

00:20:54.000 I was just going through it.

00:20:54.000 We have a list.

00:20:55.000 We have 35 schools that have staged walkouts in the last 24 hours at Turning Point USA over the mask mandates.

00:21:01.000 And we support them 100%.

00:21:02.000 We're helping them with PR support and Times Legal support, all that stuff, because the mask mandates have gone out of control.

00:21:08.000 But I will say, Dave, that the mass propaganda, dare I say mass formation psychosis?

00:21:14.000 You're trying to get us both taken out, man?

00:21:16.000 Yeah, there we go.

00:21:17.000 Well, I figure this will be on local, so we know the owner.

00:21:20.000 Give me Spotify.

00:21:20.000 They were.

00:21:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:23.000 But, you know, that kind of mass propaganda campaign has really worked on a lot of young people.

00:21:29.000 And it's kind of a great irony where, and this is a stereotype, but the average 70-year-old, 60 or 70-year-old right now is far less concerned about COVID than I think the average 17-year-old.

00:21:42.000 And that's a stereotype.

00:21:44.000 That's like a generalization, I should say.

00:21:46.000 But there has been a lot of induced fear amongst high school and college kids completely and totally unnecessarily.

00:21:52.000 And there's a cost to pay for that.

00:21:54.000 It's going to be a generation that is the least free thinking generation, absent our intervention and trying to get them their humanity back.

00:22:00.000 It's the most medicated generation, most suicidal generation, the most confused generation, the most directionalist generation. 0.95

00:22:07.000 But we're starting to see some pushback against this and some hopefully writing of that trajectory.

00:22:13.000 But I don't think it's enough.

00:22:15.000 I don't think that this is going to fix itself.

00:22:17.000 I think that we need, and I don't say this lightly, you know that I'm a small government conservative guy, but I think that we need a collective intervention to try to fix some of these trends that have gone so awry.

00:22:29.000 I don't just think that we're like, oh, well, we shut everything down for two years.

00:22:32.000 We vaccinated kids who didn't need it and put masks on them. 0.92

00:22:35.000 They had no social development.

00:22:37.000 They are not speaking the way they should.

00:22:38.000 The IQs are stunted.

00:22:40.000 Like everything's going to kind of sort itself out.

00:22:42.000 I'm not as convinced of that.

00:22:43.000 I'm not.

00:22:44.000 I think there's some very interesting, bold, robust, entrepreneurial and creative ideas that could probably fix this.

00:22:49.000 But I'll be honest, Dave, there's been a little glimmer of hope amongst some of the young people, but it's nowhere near the type of rebellion that I would like to see.

00:22:59.000 It isn't.

00:22:59.000 I saw far more activism and energy around Greta Thunberg's The World is Ending Climate Change propaganda and far more energy amongst the average high school kid around Floyd Apalooza than I did around mask mandates, vaccine mandates, or being locked down and not being able to see their friends.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, and you're not overstating this stuff.

00:23:18.000 I just read this crazy study about what masks have done to adolescent children who are now having all sorts of delayed speech.

00:23:26.000 Literally, the muscles in their mouths are not developing the way that they are supposed to because they don't move their mouths and they don't talk enough.

00:23:34.000 And they can't see the mouth of the teacher so you can mimic it to speak properly.

00:23:39.000 I mean, it's really, really crazy stuff.

00:23:42.000 What do you think of the pivot that they're about to do?

00:23:44.000 We can see it happening right in front of our eyes.

00:23:46.000 They are the good guys.

00:23:48.000 They didn't want to lock us down.

00:23:49.000 They're going to somehow pin this on.

00:23:51.000 It was the Republicans that did it.

00:23:52.000 They're all just repeating the stuff that Charlie Kirk, that Charlie Kirk, that Ron DeSantis was saying two years ago, but Charlie Kirk was probably saying some of it too.

00:24:02.000 We were saying the same thing.

00:24:03.000 Do you admire the pivot that they're about to do that they're in the process of doing right now?

00:24:07.000 Do I admire it?

00:24:08.000 No, I think it's good for the country.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, it's better now than 10 years from now.

00:24:11.000 Sure.

00:24:12.000 Terrific.

00:24:12.000 Good.

00:24:13.000 But I mean, look, I don't say this lightly.

00:24:15.000 There needs to be justice.

00:24:17.000 People need to go to jail for what they did.

00:24:19.000 There needs to be some sort of mass firing campaign, decredentialing campaign.

00:24:23.000 None of that's probably going to happen.

00:24:24.000 I'll be very honest.

00:24:25.000 Yeah, but what would that really look like?

00:24:27.000 Because I've kind of thought about it.

00:24:28.000 Like, I do think some of these people probably in a really sane society that would grapple with this properly, some of these people would end up in jail, like literally in jail.

00:24:38.000 But I don't know, what does that really look like?

00:24:39.000 We're going to have a Nuremberg for COVID-19.

00:24:41.000 I would love Nuremberg, but I mean, some people say that's radical.

00:24:44.000 But I mean, there is, I think, a lot of the tenets of Nuremberg. 0.88

00:24:47.000 There's the Media Matters clip for today.

00:24:49.000 Well, no, I mean, we've done entire shows on Nuremberg.

00:24:52.000 They could pick it up and run with it.

00:24:52.000 But yeah, sure.

00:24:54.000 But that's probably not going to happen.

00:24:55.000 I try to live in the land of reality.

00:24:58.000 I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

00:25:00.000 What I would like to see, though, happen, Dave, is a legitimate public policy and legislative campaign around medical autonomy, around medical freedom.

00:25:09.000 And I think there's a lot of answers we still do not have.

00:25:13.000 We do not have answers around the money flow from a lot of these pharmaceutical companies to politicians or their campaigns.

00:25:18.000 We do not have answers as to why early treatments were suppressed.

00:25:21.000 We've been a very outspoken program on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, melatonin, aspirin, monoclonal antibodies, intravenous therapy, vitamin D levels.

00:25:30.000 I think it's one of the great injustices of my life, the fact that most Americans were not properly exposed to those things.

00:25:36.000 But don't worry, we're subsidizing crack cocaine pipes for people in San Francisco.

00:25:41.000 All the while the controlled substance our government cares about is the perfectly safe and probably very, very effective ivermectin.

00:25:48.000 Dude, Biden sent me three crack pipes.

00:25:50.000 I only need one.

00:25:50.000 You want me to send you one?

00:25:52.000 I wouldn't know what to do with it, to be very honest.

00:25:55.000 So haven't exactly ventured into that domain of human existence.

00:26:01.000 So yeah, he'd give me lip balm in case my lips get too chapped while smoking crack on the, you know, in Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco.

00:26:12.000 But yeah, look, what would justice look like?

00:26:14.000 I don't know, but we definitely need some action, right?

00:26:16.000 We need legislative changes.

00:26:18.000 We also, I think, just from a more constitutional perspective, we have to make sure the emergency use powers are never used again by these governors and mayors.

00:26:25.000 I know that might be wishful thinking, but I think in some red states, they were used and abused way too much.

00:26:30.000 I think these legislatures have to step up.

00:26:32.000 And look, if you want to shut down a state, go through the legislative process.

00:26:36.000 I totally, I would say that's fine.

00:26:38.000 If like you can get the Ohio state house and state Senate to shut down a state for 30 days, I actually think that's okay.

00:26:44.000 I think that the courts might knock it down here and there.

00:26:47.000 But just like the fact that a governor can just sign a piece of paper and shut down bars in schools, I think that's a usurpation of what the Constitution, especially on a state-based level and definitely a federal level, is supposed to be able to do.

00:26:58.000 I'll give you another example.

00:26:59.000 The fact that Joe Biden can just sign a piece of paper and say you have to wear a mask on an airplane, go through the legislative process.

00:27:05.000 So those are some remedies for sure that we have to do that.

00:27:07.000 I think it could slow down kind of this indulgence of autocratic and tyrannical behavior we've seen.

00:27:13.000 But we're not going to get the justice that I would want to see.

00:27:15.000 Dave, I think that any doctor that interfered with a patient trying to get ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine needs to be held criminally accountable.

00:27:24.000 And I don't say that lightly.

00:27:26.000 And Dave, you get a lot of emails.

00:27:27.000 I get a ton of emails.

00:27:28.000 I have hundreds of emails of people that have relatives that died in the hospital, and they were trying to give them these life-saving drugs.

00:27:34.000 And the hospital says, oh, those drugs might kill them.

00:27:37.000 And then they die.

00:27:38.000 And so it's like, what we're dealing from already the potential of we know death is in the cards.

00:27:43.000 So why wouldn't you try some of the more, you know, let's say, you know, censored treatments.

00:27:51.000 And so I think there needs to be justice with that.

00:27:53.000 And the hospitals need to be held accountable.

00:27:55.000 But just kind of managing expectations, that's probably not going to happen.

00:27:58.000 But the last thing you said, do I admire it?

00:28:01.000 No, I don't admire it.

00:28:02.000 Why are they doing it?

00:28:03.000 Well, the science has not changed.

00:28:05.000 No matter what, you know, Dr. Wentz says.

00:28:10.000 Yeah, I mean, look, and this is the thing is that trust the science, trust the science.

00:28:14.000 We did a whole podcast on this that I think it was really well received.

00:28:17.000 One of the best podcasts we've done in a while as far as like response, which is that they conflate two things, right?

00:28:22.000 So they conflate things that we would call the natural law, like force equals mass times acceleration, the irrefutable tenets of Western science, right?

00:28:30.000 The inquiry into the natural world, second law of thermodynamics, the inevitable law of decay.

00:28:34.000 And they conflate that with conjecture and hypothesis, right?

00:28:38.000 So they put that all into kind of the same term as if if you challenge wearing three masks while you shower, you're somehow at war with Copernicus, right?

00:28:48.000 And like the average engineer who works at Ford, right, is like, well, you know, I'm trading the sciences.

00:28:55.000 I don't ever want to question that.

00:28:56.000 When in reality, they had that which we know and that which we think we know.

00:29:01.000 And they were never honest enough to separate those two things.

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00:29:08.000 If you go look at Mikey's desk, it's pretty amazing.

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00:29:15.000 But if I had to pick the one supplement that transcends all the others, it would be Balance of Nature.

00:29:20.000 I struggle sometimes to get my fruits and vegetables, hectic schedule, crazy travel, boarding planes, taxis, et cetera.

00:29:26.000 It's really hard to go to the farmer's market to get greens, beets, pineapples, oranges, and kiwis.

00:29:30.000 So every day, I'm popping my balance of nature.

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00:30:06.000 Let's link some of this to the big tech stuff that you and I have been talking about forever.

00:30:11.000 And as you said, we're both involved in the Rumble situation.

00:30:15.000 You were sort of early on with the Rumble team.

00:30:17.000 Obviously, locals merge with Rumble. 0.57

00:30:19.000 There's a lot going on there.

00:30:21.000 Do you honestly think we have a chance?

00:30:23.000 I mean, even just in the last couple of days, look, we put our best foot forward.

00:30:26.000 We made this offer to Joe Rogan.

00:30:28.000 He may not take it, but we felt it was the best thing we could do to defend our principles and fight for what we believe in.

00:30:35.000 We shall see.

00:30:36.000 You know, we're fighting on every front, the payment processor front, the AWS front, the algorithm front.

00:30:43.000 But do you think we can really do it?

00:30:44.000 We don't have a choice.

00:30:46.000 We have to win.

00:30:48.000 We have to get this right or else everything we love falls apart.

00:30:51.000 I have been so encouraged, though, just in the last 12 months, Dave, how much momentum there is behind this kind of new technology space.

00:31:00.000 From locals, which is terrific, which is a way to bypass the Patreon gatekeepers, to the content creators that have gone all in on Rumble, you, our program, Dan Bongino, Dinesh D'Souza, Russell Brand, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, freedom-loving, liberty-loving people all across the spectrum, but do believe that big tech tyranny is an existential threat.

00:31:19.000 I thought the offer to Rogan was really brilliant.

00:31:22.000 I don't know Rogan.

00:31:22.000 I've met him once.

00:31:24.000 I think it would be really smart of him personally to take the Rumble deal because they are not going to stop.

00:31:31.000 This censorship hit job train.

00:31:34.000 He says, oh, has Spotify stood by me?

00:31:36.000 I don't think so.

00:31:36.000 They're removing episodes and putting disclaimers.

00:31:39.000 You and I are way too cynical for that, Dave.

00:31:42.000 We've been through this entire program many times.

00:31:44.000 And maybe a couple of years ago, we might have said that.

00:31:47.000 But, and look, it's definitely the Rumble was really smart to offer the $100 million because it made it legit.

00:31:53.000 And we'll see what Rogan ends up doing, right?

00:31:56.000 I mean, he signaled towards Spotify or whatever.

00:31:58.000 But the point is that it wasn't totally laughed off, Dave.

00:32:03.000 And that shows how real Rumble is, right?

00:32:06.000 That shows that we can win this.

00:32:10.000 So to answer your question on the probability argument, I first made a moral argument.

00:32:13.000 We have to win this.

00:32:13.000 We have to do this.

00:32:15.000 I think Rumble is going to be a 20 or 30 or $40 billion company.

00:32:18.000 I'm confident of that because there is a center right of the planet, not just the country, that is desiring a platform that actually allows voices to speak their mind and not be taken off and not have these sort of woke gatekeepers.

00:32:31.000 But look, there are going to be institutional challenges.

00:32:33.000 But to, you know, I know we keep talking about Rumble, but they're not, you're not alone.

00:32:37.000 There's other people in playing, but Rumble's definitely the most sophisticated, I think, best funded and most momentum.

00:32:43.000 I think that, I think that it's ahead of schedule.

00:32:46.000 And I think that there's going to be starts.

00:32:47.000 I think there's some chatter already in Silicon Valley of what are we going to do about these Rumble guys?

00:32:51.000 Well, you can't shut off their servers, right?

00:32:54.000 You could probably go after their advertisers for now, but then you got locals, which is hundreds of thousands of grassroots people supporting people via Patreon, which is going to be incredibly effective to be able to kind of have the super chat feature of videos, which is a huge revenue source for Google.

00:33:09.000 There'll be institutional ads that will always go behind Rumble that are on the center right.

00:33:14.000 And so what else do they kind of have in the tickler file to try to go after Rumble?

00:33:18.000 Okay, they're going to try to go after the ad network.

00:33:20.000 They're going to try to go after New York Times, Washington Post.

00:33:22.000 You're platforming hateful people.

00:33:24.000 Yeah, but when you start to have a roster of Dave Rubin, Charlie Kirk, you know, Daily Wire is coming online is what I'm hearing.

00:33:30.000 You have Dan Bongino and others.

00:33:32.000 All of a sudden, you're like, yeah, okay, we're going to link arms and we've created Technado.

00:33:37.000 And we have Article 6 and you attack one of us.

00:33:39.000 Technado.

00:33:40.000 You didn't just come up with that, did you?

00:33:42.000 You used that one before.

00:33:43.000 Come on.

00:33:43.000 I've never said it out loud, but I have wrote it.

00:33:46.000 I have a whole pamphlet of kind of one-liners, but you could use it.

00:33:49.000 Technado.

00:33:51.000 Technato.

00:33:52.000 It's Article 5 or Article 6 of NATO, which is attack on one of us is attacked on all of us, right?

00:33:57.000 And to kind of tie in the whole Ukrainian thing, that's why Ukraine and NATO is such a controversial thing.

00:34:01.000 It's like Putin crosses the line.

00:34:02.000 It's the same as invading Paris or London.

00:34:04.000 And it's like, okay, you go after Dave Rubin, then you have to deal with all of us and our combined power and our combined followers.

00:34:12.000 And I'm starting to see that solidarity.

00:34:14.000 And guess what?

00:34:15.000 That word solidarity is something that we freedom-loving people don't do well.

00:34:18.000 But when we do it, we win.

00:34:20.000 It's not in our blood.

00:34:21.000 We're all entrepreneurs or individuals.

00:34:22.000 We think we could do things better than each other, right?

00:34:24.000 We're competitors.

00:34:25.000 You know, we'll go out to dinner with one another and they'll be like, yeah, I kind of like that idea.

00:34:28.000 And that, like, whatever.

00:34:28.000 But that's what's beautiful about markets.

00:34:31.000 But now we're at war and we need solidarity and we need alliances.

00:34:35.000 So I think we got a chance to win.

00:34:37.000 Okay, so let's say we build this stuff and it's all great.

00:34:39.000 And yes, we are working real hard and there's a lot of questions, but there's a lot of answers as well.

00:34:44.000 So we start building all that.

00:34:46.000 We know that the trends where people are moving are going very heavily, you know, to freedom-loving places.

00:34:53.000 Nobody's moving to blue states right now.

00:34:55.000 I think California lost almost 400,000 people last year, first now loss of population ever.

00:35:01.000 As these things continue to go, I mean, what keeps us the United States?

00:35:05.000 If we've just got our own products and we've got our own states and they've got their products and their states, where are we united?

00:35:13.000 Well, we aren't.

00:35:14.000 And you're right.

00:35:15.000 And so just to kind of reinforce the point, though, you know, Netflix is down, Facebook is down, California is down, Florida is up, Texas is up, Rumble is up, right?

00:35:22.000 So look, I've said this for quite some time.

00:35:24.000 I think we're living through a slow-motion secession movement, and the act of secession is happening on United Airlines every day in the nonstop flight from Los Angeles to Orlando or from Los Angeles to Miami.

00:35:35.000 It's a movement of secession.

00:35:37.000 And it's not a one that breaks the country apart immediately, but they're starting to say out loud what I have feared.

00:35:43.000 And it's mostly pop icon people, you know, Sarah Silverman or that guy from Hellboy, whatever his name is.

00:35:50.000 No, that's not bad, Ron Pearl.

00:35:51.000 Yeah, whatever.

00:35:52.000 And they're saying it out loud.

00:35:54.000 I don't want to live in the country with you.

00:35:56.000 You don't want to live with me.

00:35:57.000 Let's go our separate ways.

00:35:59.000 And a very provocative but honest thought exercise for your audience and for all of us to kind of dwell over, which is what do I, Charlie Kirk, who live in Phoenix, what do I have in common with a San Francisco woke activist that's 24 years old that just graduated from UC Berkeley?

00:36:15.000 I believe America's awesome.

00:36:16.000 They believe America is awful.

00:36:18.000 I believe in basic natural rights.

00:36:21.000 They believe in collective and tribal rights.

00:36:24.000 I believe in free speech.

00:36:25.000 They believe in power.

00:36:27.000 I believe that we should have borders.

00:36:29.000 They don't believe in borders.

00:36:31.000 I could go through the whole checkpoint.

00:36:32.000 The checklist.

00:36:33.000 The only thing that we have in common is the dollar bill that we're trading.

00:36:38.000 It's literally the whole project is basically hinging on a currency.

00:36:42.000 And that is not an over-exaggeration.

00:36:44.000 You don't have a shared story.

00:36:45.000 You don't have shared values.

00:36:46.000 You don't have a shared future.

00:36:47.000 You don't have shared policy prescriptions.

00:36:50.000 Everything is quote unquote politicized and divided.

00:36:52.000 And so, you know, we've kind of dwelled in this field to the great, you know, the great cost of being written up in Media Matters, which is a wonderful thing to happen.

00:37:01.000 They're like PR experts.

00:37:03.000 They love you over there.

00:37:04.000 They like you more than me with all the pieces they do on you.

00:37:07.000 It's great.

00:37:08.000 They write up what you say and it's right there.

00:37:09.000 And then you could share it.

00:37:10.000 Like, hey, look, but look, we are right on the hinge.

00:37:14.000 We're right on the edge of a national divorce.

00:37:17.000 Now, I have a contrarian view on this, which is I actually think the sooner we build the parallel economy and we have these other mediums, I actually think it de-escalates the chance for a national divorce.

00:37:32.000 I think it's the exact opposite.

00:37:34.000 Yeah, I like that.

00:37:35.000 Actually, it's kind of like, all right, you do you, we do us.

00:37:38.000 Like, maybe we can have like a five-year cooling off period before we actually sign the divorce papers, right?

00:37:44.000 And I don't think, I think the more that we live under their tyranny, you're going to see real radicalism rise up that I hate and you hate, right?

00:37:51.000 Where people are starting to talk about things that I don't want the country to break up.

00:37:55.000 I think it's an awful thing.

00:37:56.000 It's my home.

00:37:57.000 It's your home.

00:37:58.000 I don't want to have to show a passport when I go to LAX.

00:38:01.000 It's like, I want that to be my fellow countrymen.

00:38:03.000 I don't know if they believe that.

00:38:05.000 I think that they want to, I think, there's two thoughts on this, right?

00:38:10.000 Which is most of the leftist rulers will reject a national divorce because they want the whole enchilada, right?

00:38:17.000 They want every county.

00:38:18.000 They want every inch, and they want us to live in their tyranny. 0.85

00:38:21.000 Like they are up at night really angry that some Baptist preacher in Enid, Oklahoma is not like perfectly in alignment with like every single one of their worldviews, right?

00:38:32.000 Like that really bothers them.

00:38:33.000 Where it's like as a conservative, like I don't really care about some guy in Brooklyn that hates me.

00:38:38.000 Like, okay, whatever.

00:38:39.000 It's like, so who's the actual liberal in this equation, right?

00:38:42.000 Like, who's the live and let live guy, right?

00:38:43.000 It's like, is it the Baptist preacher, the conservative in Phoenix?

00:38:47.000 Or is it like the person in Brooklyn that's really angry that someone disagrees with them in like central Iowa?

00:38:52.000 But, you know, that's part of it.

00:38:54.000 But I think that, so those are the kind of the imperial Democrats, right?

00:38:58.000 They want to take over territory.

00:38:59.000 It's like, we are not going to stop till everyone succumbs to our agenda.

00:39:03.000 And then the other side of it, though, are like the Sarah Silverman, Ron Perlman types, which they're actually being more humble and honest.

00:39:10.000 I have to say that I have way more respect for people that are like, let's just break up and not fight.

00:39:15.000 And that's actually a better, that's a better starting point than like, we're going to take over Kansas.

00:39:21.000 Like, well, hold on, hold on a second.

00:39:22.000 Like, probably not going to happen.

00:39:24.000 That's not in the cards.

00:39:25.000 Does that make sense?

00:39:27.000 Yeah, but can I put a fly in that ointment on the second one for you, which is they're saying let's break up and just that's it, but they'll never let that be.

00:39:34.000 I think you would agree with that, right?

00:39:37.000 If we give them the breakup that they want, Sarah Silverman, guess what she wants? 0.73

00:39:42.000 It's like she'll never stop.

00:39:44.000 She's not going to stop as Florida flourishes, as Arizona flourishes and Texas flourishes, and as their places, you know, just crumble. 0.50

00:39:52.000 They're not going to stop.

00:39:53.000 Now they're going to want what we got.

00:39:55.000 So the second one might be more honest, but it's not, I don't think it's fully thought through.

00:40:01.000 No, it's not thought through.

00:40:02.000 And look, there's, and this is not exaggerated.

00:40:04.000 There's a thousand externalities that I don't have answers for.

00:40:06.000 Military, water rights, ports of entry, right?

00:40:09.000 Like who gets rights to minerals?

00:40:11.000 How do you travel back and forth?

00:40:12.000 How do you divide the citizenship?

00:40:14.000 What if you don't want to live there?

00:40:15.000 I mean, it's like, again, we have, if we actually put our heads together, there's enough mature people that could probably figure this out.

00:40:20.000 But if we're dealing with Chuck Schumer, like, I don't know, like, that's probably not going to go well.

00:40:25.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:40:25.000 He's like, no, no, no, no.

00:40:27.000 Actually, I want Marshalton, Iowa.

00:40:29.000 Like, you can't have, right?

00:40:31.000 And so, yeah, that's why I and you, we want to heal this land.

00:40:37.000 We want this to work.

00:40:39.000 We want this republic to stay together.

00:40:42.000 I don't think there is a manageable exit from this.

00:40:46.000 And I don't, I would rather solve this with ballots than bullets, as Abraham Lincoln said.

00:40:51.000 And I don't want this to go to conflict.

00:40:54.000 I'm afraid it's trending that way.

00:40:55.000 And the media always says like, oh, Charlie thinks the Civil War is coming.

00:40:58.000 First of all, I never use that term.

00:41:00.000 But when I say conflict, I don't think that's out of the cards.

00:41:03.000 I want it to happen, but you can only raise the temperature in the room so much before you kind of provoke a kinetic response.

00:41:11.000 And so I actually think the parallel economy is going to be an unintended pressure release valve for liberty-loving people across the country, which is like, okay, now I at least have a place I can watch videos.

00:41:22.000 Like now I have a place I can bank, right?

00:41:25.000 Now I have a place I can get a mortgage.

00:41:27.000 And I think that's going to hopefully bring the temperature down in the room despite the, you know, the best wishes of the other side.

00:41:35.000 That seems like, it seems like they want conflict, which is a whole different conversation for a different time.

00:41:38.000 It seems like they want us to punch first and then they could justify the security state apparatus behind it.

00:41:44.000 Yeah, this concept of building the parallel economy purely to keep it together is actually interesting because most people think of it as, oh, that accelerates the separation because then we can just go our separate ways.

00:41:55.000 But I like this.

00:41:56.000 I like this release valve idea, Kirk.

00:41:58.000 You got one today.

00:41:59.000 Very impressive.

00:42:00.000 Thank you.

00:42:02.000 Now let me get you in some real trouble.

00:42:02.000 You got one.

00:42:02.000 All right.

00:42:04.000 Okay.

00:42:05.000 Because everybody is looking to the midterms and there's this feeling that there's going to be this red wave.

00:42:10.000 Although, as I said, we're seeing the pivot happen in real time.

00:42:13.000 And you can also feel the media trying to link January 6th to somehow the truckers and that we're exporting a worldwide insurrection and all of this nonsense.

00:42:23.000 But I want to ask you this.

00:42:25.000 Well, A, I guess give me a little bit of your take on what you think is going to happen in the midterms and are there areas we could focus in to make sure that we get a nice result.

00:42:32.000 But B, you know, everyone's looking at the 2024 situation.

00:42:36.000 I want DeSantis to stay the governor of Florida.

00:42:39.000 That's what I want.

00:42:40.000 I think the state you live in is way more important.

00:42:42.000 I think he's only been in one term so far.

00:42:44.000 He's done a heck of a job.

00:42:46.000 I just think that's more important than the presidency, believe it or not, although obviously it is important.

00:42:51.000 Do you, as a guy that at least part-time lives in Florida, or is there a lot, do you like that idea?

00:42:57.000 Do you think he should run?

00:42:59.000 Where does Trump fall out?

00:43:00.000 What do you know on the inside? 1.00

00:43:01.000 The whole damn thing, Charlie. 0.99

00:43:03.000 I'll start with the midterms. 1.00

00:43:04.000 I think Republicans are going to do well.

00:43:05.000 I'm worried that we're not going to do nearly as well as we should.

00:43:08.000 Every single indicator shows Republicans are going to take back the House.

00:43:13.000 Senate is a little bit up for grabs.

00:43:15.000 This should be a 60 or 70 year seat majority for the House of Representatives, which is enough where you could hold on to that for at least two or three more cycles.

00:43:24.000 So I don't know.

00:43:25.000 It remains to be seen.

00:43:26.000 Democrats are going to try to correct a couple things.

00:43:29.000 You could start to see that already.

00:43:30.000 They're having Obama come in and try to tell them to not be so radical out loud.

00:43:34.000 He's really good at kind of saying stop tell the truth, right?

00:43:38.000 Like that, that's kind of his whole deal, to try to tell people that are running for office to just camouflage the radicalism, right?

00:43:44.000 Just tell people what they want to hear.

00:43:46.000 So I think that they're going to, I think they're going to get their parade in order shortly.

00:43:50.000 That's my warning to Republicans.

00:43:51.000 I still think we're going to do very, very well, especially in some of these Senate races like Arizona and Georgia.

00:43:57.000 I think it'll be a seven to 10 point swing on top of what things naturally are.

00:44:01.000 I'm afraid I'll reinforce a point I said earlier.

00:44:03.000 I think it will be a misleading indicator of the health of the Republican Party because of how bad the Democrats are.

00:44:09.000 This will be a massive indictment of the woke and the Democrats and the insane and the COVID lockdowns where people are just looking for some way that they can just like, what can I vote for that isn't them?

00:44:20.000 I think Virginia was an example of that.

00:44:22.000 I think the incredibly unexpected airtight race in New Jersey was an example of that.

00:44:26.000 I think a Republican winning the city attorney's race in Seattle was an example of that.

00:44:30.000 That's all back in November, but it's important to remind people of that.

00:44:33.000 So that's one thing.

00:44:34.000 I'm happy to go more into that.

00:44:36.000 It's still, it's too early to kind of make predictions on like seat majorities, but I am not seeing from Republicans what I really want, which is a new Gingrich style contract with America promises clear and concise, here's what we're going to do.

00:44:49.000 And it's not just, you know, free trade and giving China what they want and a mass amnesty plan and lower taxes.

00:44:56.000 And socialism is bad enough, right?

00:44:58.000 I think voters want more than that.

00:45:00.000 And I think they want honesty.

00:45:01.000 So on the Trump thing in 2024, he is going to run.

00:45:04.000 Every single indication points towards that.

00:45:07.000 I think actually Trump will benefit from a primary challenge.

00:45:11.000 I think that if he actually has to run against somebody who isn't a joke, I actually think that would really be good for him.

00:45:18.000 I think that's one of the things that made him such a powerful general election candidate in 2016 because he had some of the most amazing metaphorical political CrossFit training one could have.

00:45:29.000 I mean, he ran up against like 29,000 people, right?

00:45:32.000 It was like 16, but it was like from every direction, right?

00:45:34.000 It was like, boom, Scott Walker and boom, Ben Carson.

00:45:37.000 It was like Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz.

00:45:38.000 It was like nonstop.

00:45:39.000 By the time he had to run against Hillary, he's like, I ran against 16 people.

00:45:42.000 This is nothing.

00:45:43.000 So I think that I'm not trying to encourage someone to run against him.

00:45:47.000 I would rather see him obviously go unopposed if that's necessary.

00:45:51.000 It's probably better for him in the sense of, you know, not having to spend as much money.

00:45:54.000 But I actually think kind of shaking off kind of some of the dust and getting back into the metaphorical ring could be really, really good for him.

00:46:02.000 As far as DeSantis goes, I think he's unbelievable.

00:46:05.000 I think he's the greatest governor of the last 10 or 20 or 30 years.

00:46:07.000 I can't think of a better governor.

00:46:09.000 Ron DeSantis has done everything right and everything issue that matters to me, from vaccine mandates to opening up Florida to being strong on crime across the board.

00:46:18.000 He's been phenomenal.

00:46:19.000 I think someone like DeSantis, or it could be him, is the future of the Republican Party.

00:46:23.000 I truly do.

00:46:24.000 But Trump's going to run.

00:46:25.000 And that's going to be a challenge for a lot of people.

00:46:28.000 I think that once you win one presidential election, you deserve a chance to run again.

00:46:33.000 I really do.

00:46:34.000 In 2020, there were massive irregularities.

00:46:37.000 Happy to get into all the kind of voter fraud conversation if you want.

00:46:40.000 I think Dinesh D'Souza's new film is extraordinary in what it looks into.

00:46:45.000 And the evidence is very, very compelling.

00:46:47.000 I think some of that could be shirred up.

00:46:49.000 I think Trump could win again.

00:46:51.000 And look, I think that there's positives and negatives to him running again.

00:46:54.000 The positives are he was a terrific president.

00:46:56.000 He was tremendous.

00:46:57.000 We know what we're getting.

00:46:58.000 He has a base unlike anything we've ever seen.

00:46:59.000 He'll raise a bunch of money in small dollar donations.

00:47:02.000 He'll work his tail off.

00:47:03.000 And I think that he also has a record to run on in contrast to this current absolute dumpster fire that we are seeing in real time.

00:47:11.000 And also, make no mistake, I don't think people are really looking forward to having another Democrat president after four years.

00:47:18.000 If we had, I want people to think about this, if we had a parliamentary system and there was right now a national vote of no confidence against Joe Biden, he'd get run out of there immediately.

00:47:28.000 Now, we don't have that type of system, right?

00:47:29.000 We just don't.

00:47:31.000 But if the election were held today, Donald Trump would just clobber him in every, like he would win like 40 states.

00:47:36.000 I think he would win New Hampshire.

00:47:38.000 He'd win Nevada.

00:47:39.000 And so, look, I also think though that Trump has to have, he has to make some adjustments going in 2024.

00:47:44.000 If you're running up against a self-destructive candidate, do not get in the way of your enemy defeating himself.

00:47:50.000 I think that was something that's a great learning lesson from 2020.

00:47:54.000 And I think 2016, Trump, where he was big, bold, ambitious, and he was willing to capture the imagination of the American people, I think he has to play a little bit more into that.

00:48:03.000 It's hard when you're an incumbent to do that.

00:48:05.000 I get it.

00:48:06.000 But 2016, Trump, he made people dream.

00:48:09.000 He really pushed the boundaries of what a political candidate is allowed to talk about.

00:48:12.000 I think he could recapture that in a very, very compelling way in 2024.

00:48:17.000 Charlie Kirk, it's been a pleasure talking to you, my friend.

00:48:21.000 I will see you probably in, I sense it will be on the west coast of Florida.

00:48:25.000 What do you think?

00:48:26.000 West Coast of Florida is the place to be.

00:48:28.000 So honored, Dave.

00:48:29.000 Thank you.

00:48:30.000 See you soon.

00:48:31.000 Thank you.

00:48:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:48:35.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:48:38.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:48:39.000 God bless.

00:48:42.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 22, 2022

The Parallel Economy, a National Divorce, and What's Going to Happen in 2024? (Crosspost with The Rubin Report)

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