00:01:33.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:00.000We've done this a couple of times, and I thought, how can I approach this interview in a way that's a little different than what we've done before?
00:02:15.000That's, you know, I will say he's actually made me prioritize things in life that matter.
00:02:20.000Not to say politics don't matter, but it's been such a dumpster fire.
00:02:25.000You have to kind of look outside of all the madness and you're like, okay, what really matters in life, right?
00:02:31.000Like, what exactly gives you purpose and meaning?
00:02:34.000Because obviously, the things that, you know, we used to, I used to look at the presidency as something I revere, and I guess I still do.
00:02:41.000And I love my country, but he's been so awful.
00:02:44.000It's like, okay, there's a couple of things I can control in my life, like family and relationships, friendships, career.
00:02:50.000And I'm going to focus on those things.
00:02:52.000And it's kind of the one of the few things I want to thank Joe Biden for is he has reinforced, at least for me, things that I control and things I cannot control.
00:03:01.000Unfortunately, I can't control the southern border.
00:03:03.000It's wide open and it's a total disaster.
00:03:05.000But besides that, I'm not sure what else I would put on that list, Dave.
00:03:10.000I thought maybe you could come up with three.
00:03:12.000I thought maybe there were going to be three, but I'll accept that.
00:03:15.000But for a guy like you, yeah, go ahead.
00:03:18.000Well, I mean, I guess if you want to kind of do the whole like, you know, glass half full thing and the perpetual optimist thing, and the best thing about being surrounded is you can shoot in any direction thing, which is basically, look, I do think that there's been unintended consequences of what this regime has been trying to implement, which is the rise of the citizen.
00:03:52.000I don't think it's by any chance certain that this backfires on them so dramatically that it could be a political realignment, the likes of which our generation we haven't seen in 30 or 40 years.
00:04:04.000Do you believe in the machine enough to believe that something like that could happen?
00:04:08.000Because that's the direction I thought you were going to go because it's like everything is so bad.
00:04:14.000Even for guys like us who expected this thing to be bad, it's worse than most of us could have imagined.
00:04:20.000But do you think the machine will allow, like just in the last couple of days, watching the narrative on COVID shift, like, do you think it'll allow what should happen to happen, that the voice of the people will actually be heard?
00:04:41.000I mean, CNN is basically a Democrat super PAC that no one watches.
00:04:46.000Facebook is cratering, which is really, really interesting to see.
00:04:50.000Rumble, which you and I really care about, is ascending.
00:04:54.000So there are certain trends right now that kind of go into maybe the machine isn't as strong as it once was.
00:05:00.000Americans' trust in government is an all-time low.
00:05:03.000Americans' trust in corporations are at an all-time low.
00:05:06.000You're starting to see people care more about local than national trends, which is really, really important.
00:05:11.000So I think the machine is way weaker than it was even a year ago, and let alone five years ago.
00:05:17.000I think that there is kind of like a natural law component to this where if you try to build a multi-trillion dollar oligarchy or oligopoly, I should say, the laws of gravity are probably going to push back against you at some point.
00:05:30.000There will be leaks and dissension, civil war, fracturing.
00:05:34.000And you're seeing a lot of that, not just within the Democrat Party, but within a lot of the superstructures that you and I believe the actual power is vested in.
00:05:42.000So look, I could have a cynical take where I'm like, you know what, these people always have power.
00:05:51.000I think that there is a revival to challenge all these institutions.
00:05:55.000And Dave, you've played a really important part in this, which is those of us that love freedom and love the Constitution as the greatest political document ever, we're building our own infrastructure.
00:06:06.000And that's been a really exciting trend.
00:06:08.000I think the regime is really surprised by it.
00:06:10.000I think they're shocked, quite honestly, that we've been able to kind of stand up a YouTube competitor, a payment processing competitor, a Patreon competitor like locals.
00:06:19.000So quickly, you're starting to see a higher education competitor of University of Austin.
00:06:23.000And all of a sudden, this kind of this monopoly they had on these certain goods and services and credentialing institutions is being challenged in a very serious way.
00:06:34.000But they're still way more powerful than us.
00:06:53.000Look, I know you off camera too at this point, but I don't know that I've ever fully asked you this before.
00:06:59.000Like, you know, you were so obviously a close associate and through turning point in the Trump campaign and you wrote the book, the MAGA Doctrine, the whole thing.
00:07:08.000To go from that, and, you know, I would go to Turning Point that the night that I met Trump at Mar-Lago, we were at dinner that very night there, and it was after an event you put together and all that stuff.
00:07:18.000And I say that because you were so associated with that.
00:07:22.000And I just wonder for you personally, like, what did the last year show?
00:07:25.000I'm not talking about the political part of my guy's not in power anymore, but just like the other, you were part of something that was fun and cool, at least from our perspective.
00:07:35.000You know, the thing exists, but like it's not in power anymore.
00:07:38.000So like, what is that just personally for you?
00:07:40.000Like well, at first it was really demoralizing, not from like an access standpoint or like the fact you could call the president, like whatever.
00:07:46.000It was just kind of demoralizing for the country, right?
00:07:49.000I mean, especially the month of January, we're like, okay, you know, at New Year's, I remember thinking, all right, okay, Biden's going to be president.
00:07:56.000At the very least, we can win these Senate races in Georgia.
00:07:59.000You know, we can have a check and balance, separation of powers.
00:08:12.000And so it was a demoralizing couple of weeks in 2021.
00:08:15.000And our team at Turning Point USA, which has always been educationally focused, and our team at the Charlie Kirk show, which has obviously been very aligned with the Trump doctrine and his worldview, were talking, what do we stand for?
00:08:26.000You know, I traveled 330 days in the year of 2021 and went to campuses and churches.
00:08:33.000And we didn't talk a lot about Trump, honestly.
00:08:35.000And we didn't talk about Biden either.
00:08:37.000More than anything else, we talked about what it meant to be an American and what we stood for and why we stood for it.
00:08:42.000And it was definitely this moment where I also had to kind of reintroduce myself to a lot of people that just kind of knew me as, oh, you're the guy that defends Trump, right?
00:08:52.000And it was, I think, very well received in a lot of different ways.
00:08:55.000And I also think it forced our team and our show to go a level deeper.
00:09:00.000I spent more time in 2021 of reading deep books and spending time in very complex philosophy and really challenging my ideas and why I believe it and where does it come from?
00:09:10.000Because it wasn't just kind of like, okay, the left is out of their mind.
00:09:14.000We have to defend the president we have because he's doing a really good job.
00:09:17.000And you could kind of get really used to that, right?
00:09:20.000But then all of a sudden, when he's displaced from power, there's a lot of people that are saying, okay, do we want to go back to like the Liz Cheney kind of way of doing things?
00:09:27.000Or why do we want, you know, borders to be controlled?
00:09:31.000And so you have to kind of come from that with an approach that is philosophically based and rooted in a natural rights doctrine and also in timeless ideas while also respecting the fruits of the enlightenment, all these really important things.
00:09:43.000And so I think that we've been, I think we're better because of it, honestly.
00:09:53.000And, you know, I'm not to say that I'm thankful.
00:09:56.000I mean, the country's in horrible shape, but I think we were able to use what was an adversarial situation or a set of circumstances to our advantage.
00:10:08.000How many years have I been telling you about Relief Factor?
00:10:10.000Producer Andrew's right here doing an Iron Man thanks to Relief Factor.
00:10:13.000And truth is, I know there are millions of people.
00:10:15.000In fact, some say over 100 million people struggling with some kind of pain, maybe from exercise or just getting older.
00:10:20.000That can do it, getting older, which is why I'm so impressed with the people at relieffactor.com.
00:10:25.000You rarely see this kind of focus and commitment.
00:10:27.000They recently shared with me that they are doubling down and want to literally double their total number of happy customers in the next year.
00:10:35.000If you're struggling with back pain, neck pain, shoulder, hip, or knee pain, even general muscle aches and pain, then I'm suggesting you order their three-week quick start, still discounted, only $19.95.
00:11:04.000Do you think that they think that they're doing good?
00:11:08.000I mean, this is a little bit of the road to hell kind of situation.
00:11:11.000Like, do you think, I mean, I don't know if Biden's in charge at this point, which if you want to comment on that, feel free.
00:11:16.000But like, when they all put their heads on the pillow, when Saki lays down at night, Biden, the rest of them, the Surgeon General, all of these people that are associated with this thing, Fauci, all of them.
00:11:29.000Do you really think they're looking at the information, looking at what's going on here, supply chain, inflation, Afghanistan, et cetera, and going, boy, we really are doing a great job.
00:12:51.000And then also you have to create mass uncertainty as to what it means to be an American.
00:12:56.000And the person that's probably done the best job of this is Nicole Hannah Jones from the 1619 Project.
00:13:01.000It's something we talk about every single day at Turning Point USA, which is if you can't tell an agreed upon American story, then you just don't have a country.
00:13:08.000I mean, it's such polar opposites where you and I would look at the American founding as a heroic breakthrough of the human story, where Nicole Hannah Jones looks at it as a regressive moment in the human story.
00:13:20.000There really isn't much in common from that point forward, right?
00:13:23.000When you can't agree on the Federalist Papers, the Declaration, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.
00:13:28.000And so I believe that the people in charge from Ron Klein to Biden, they might have their own little kind of wrinkles of where they think the country should go, but it's definitely in a place where they want to de-emphasize America's role in the world.
00:13:41.000They want to weaken America, and they think the world will be better because of it.
00:13:45.000This is the most important thing, though, is that, I mean, in the beginning of Aristotle's ethics, there's this incredible line that is hotly debated, which is all human action points towards some good.
00:13:53.000Now, you take out the mentally and politically insane from that, but really what he's getting at is that more evil has been done under people believing that they're doing good than anything else.
00:14:04.000You take Joseph Stalin, he actually thought he was bettering humanity or bettering himself or whatever.
00:14:09.000Very few people are actually, yes, I'm doing what is wrong and I'm going to keep on doing it.
00:14:31.000I'm more interested in the people behind him and the reason they're doing all this.
00:14:36.000But yes, I think that from the Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen, to Mayorkis to the Educational Secretary, to all of them, I think that they believe that they are all doing what a good comrade should do to try and usher in a globalist type project and the American superpower status of a strong economy, being energy independent, a sound currency, and a national story that we all agree on.
00:15:03.000Those are things that are right at the heart of their agenda.
00:15:07.000Do you think that conservatives, whatever this new wide 10 thing is at this point, this anti-woke coalition, and we'll see how tightly it can hold.
00:15:16.000Do you think we just need a better story?
00:15:18.000Do you think the story of just telling American history, say, the way we've seen it or the way that you and I have talked about it for a long time, that maybe that isn't enough, just going back to, say, Reagan talking points as good and decent as they are?
00:15:31.000Like, do we need a new story, a new narrative to craft to capture young people?
00:15:35.000I mean, obviously that's what you guys are trying to do at Turning Point.
00:15:38.000But is just saying freedom and individual rights and capitalism, is it not enough that there has to be something else behind that too?
00:15:45.000It's not enough, but it will be enough this year, which worries me.
00:15:49.000It will be enough to take back power for Republicans and defeat the woke just to run against the woke.
00:15:58.000And that's the thing, Dave, is that not only do they have bad ideas, they're actually bad at executing their bad ideas.
00:16:02.000I mean, it's like the worst possible kind of combination.
00:16:06.000Well, no, that's the thing where I got in this debate the other day, and someone says, Charlie, we need more technology in government so they can be more efficient.
00:16:12.000I'm like, you know, I'm actually really glad that they're slow.
00:16:17.000I'm really glad that they take Arbor Day off because if they didn't, then they'd be like Google, which we know how harmful they can be, which we'll get into the whole corporate side of this.
00:16:26.000But I'm worried because I'm afraid that there's going to be kind of a false stimulus effect to the conservative movement.
00:16:34.000They're like, oh, all we have to do is run against the woke.
00:16:37.000We take back every chamber of power, like the Glenn Youngkin thing, right?
00:16:40.000Where I'm afraid that we're going to need a lot more.
00:16:42.000And I'll give you an example of what a lot more looks like, which I think conservatives need to think very deeply about a national recovery program.
00:16:48.000I think that this country has been so severely damaged by unelected bureaucrats, especially young people, most suicidal, drug-addicted, alcohol-addicted, most anxious, depressed, medicated generation in history, that I think there needs to be an intergenerational apology to try to get this generation back on track.
00:17:05.000And I'm not saying massive government programs or some sort of climate core like AOC wants, but I think we should try to make it easier to try to have conservatizing events.
00:17:14.000And the three conservatizing events, if you will just accept the term, is to own property, to get married, and have kids.
00:17:22.000And hopefully a nice fourth one is have a job that means something to you, right?
00:17:25.000That isn't like a minimum wage job or some sort of woke social media manager for Goldman Sachs or whatever, right?
00:17:31.000Those four things are harder than ever for this generation to grab onto.
00:17:37.000And I think that we need to have pro-market-based conversations outside of just kind of the immediate muscle memory of the dogma of the kind of ghosts of Reagan past and say, how do we make it easier for a 28-year-old that's $100,000 in student loan debt that was locked down for a couple years, right, is really demoralized, might be on an unnecessary regimen of antidepressants.
00:17:59.000How do we make it easier for them to break through and buy quote-unquote equity in the American project, right?
00:18:06.000Because that actually is a really good thing for the country.
00:18:08.000People don't burn down Wendy's if they have a mortgage.
00:18:13.000When you're renting all the time, you become a perfect population that could be captured by these kind of woke socialist revolutionaries.
00:18:22.000And so, no, I don't think it's just enough to kind of have the slogans.
00:18:24.000I think we need to think creatively about these things.
00:18:27.000And I think we also need to know why we believe and what we believe it.
00:18:31.000The Constitution needs to be our North Star.
00:18:33.000It is the greatest political document ever.
00:18:35.000Nothing we should do should violate the four basic tenets of the Constitution.
00:18:39.000Separation of powers, consent to the governed, independent judiciary, and balance of power, basically.
00:18:47.000That's the core basis of the U.S. Constitution.
00:18:49.000But with that being said, though, Dave, I think that we have portions of the American population that have been so set back by the lockdowns and government interference that if we don't come up with something more robust or exciting, we're going to be looking at a potential political population that will entertain seriously radical ideas.
00:19:09.000Look, it's a new year and not much has changed.
00:20:10.000You know, you see those pictures online of, you know, Stacey Abrams unmasked in front of the kids and Hokul over in New York smiling with the kids.
00:20:19.000It's like these kids are going to do some pretty horrible things to old people one day.
00:20:24.000Do you, not just to talk about it at an idea level, but because you're around so many college kids, kids, I mean, they're young adults, through Turning Point, have you seen a real shift in their attitudes on this stuff?
00:21:23.000But, you know, that kind of mass propaganda campaign has really worked on a lot of young people.
00:21:29.000And it's kind of a great irony where, and this is a stereotype, but the average 70-year-old, 60 or 70-year-old right now is far less concerned about COVID than I think the average 17-year-old.
00:21:54.000It's going to be a generation that is the least free thinking generation, absent our intervention and trying to get them their humanity back.
00:22:00.000It's the most medicated generation, most suicidal generation, the most confused generation, the most directionalist generation.
00:22:07.000But we're starting to see some pushback against this and some hopefully writing of that trajectory.
00:22:15.000I don't think that this is going to fix itself.
00:22:17.000I think that we need, and I don't say this lightly, you know that I'm a small government conservative guy, but I think that we need a collective intervention to try to fix some of these trends that have gone so awry.
00:22:29.000I don't just think that we're like, oh, well, we shut everything down for two years.
00:22:32.000We vaccinated kids who didn't need it and put masks on them.
00:22:44.000I think there's some very interesting, bold, robust, entrepreneurial and creative ideas that could probably fix this.
00:22:49.000But I'll be honest, Dave, there's been a little glimmer of hope amongst some of the young people, but it's nowhere near the type of rebellion that I would like to see.
00:22:59.000I saw far more activism and energy around Greta Thunberg's The World is Ending Climate Change propaganda and far more energy amongst the average high school kid around Floyd Apalooza than I did around mask mandates, vaccine mandates, or being locked down and not being able to see their friends.
00:23:17.000Yeah, and you're not overstating this stuff.
00:23:18.000I just read this crazy study about what masks have done to adolescent children who are now having all sorts of delayed speech.
00:23:26.000Literally, the muscles in their mouths are not developing the way that they are supposed to because they don't move their mouths and they don't talk enough.
00:23:34.000And they can't see the mouth of the teacher so you can mimic it to speak properly.
00:23:52.000They're all just repeating the stuff that Charlie Kirk, that Charlie Kirk, that Ron DeSantis was saying two years ago, but Charlie Kirk was probably saying some of it too.
00:24:25.000Yeah, but what would that really look like?
00:24:27.000Because I've kind of thought about it.
00:24:28.000Like, I do think some of these people probably in a really sane society that would grapple with this properly, some of these people would end up in jail, like literally in jail.
00:24:38.000But I don't know, what does that really look like?
00:24:39.000We're going to have a Nuremberg for COVID-19.
00:24:41.000I would love Nuremberg, but I mean, some people say that's radical.
00:24:44.000But I mean, there is, I think, a lot of the tenets of Nuremberg.
00:24:47.000There's the Media Matters clip for today.
00:24:49.000Well, no, I mean, we've done entire shows on Nuremberg.
00:24:52.000They could pick it up and run with it.
00:24:58.000I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.
00:25:00.000What I would like to see, though, happen, Dave, is a legitimate public policy and legislative campaign around medical autonomy, around medical freedom.
00:25:09.000And I think there's a lot of answers we still do not have.
00:25:13.000We do not have answers around the money flow from a lot of these pharmaceutical companies to politicians or their campaigns.
00:25:18.000We do not have answers as to why early treatments were suppressed.
00:25:21.000We've been a very outspoken program on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, melatonin, aspirin, monoclonal antibodies, intravenous therapy, vitamin D levels.
00:25:30.000I think it's one of the great injustices of my life, the fact that most Americans were not properly exposed to those things.
00:25:36.000But don't worry, we're subsidizing crack cocaine pipes for people in San Francisco.
00:25:41.000All the while the controlled substance our government cares about is the perfectly safe and probably very, very effective ivermectin.
00:25:48.000Dude, Biden sent me three crack pipes.
00:25:52.000I wouldn't know what to do with it, to be very honest.
00:25:55.000So haven't exactly ventured into that domain of human existence.
00:26:01.000So yeah, he'd give me lip balm in case my lips get too chapped while smoking crack on the, you know, in Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco.
00:26:12.000But yeah, look, what would justice look like?
00:26:14.000I don't know, but we definitely need some action, right?
00:26:18.000We also, I think, just from a more constitutional perspective, we have to make sure the emergency use powers are never used again by these governors and mayors.
00:26:25.000I know that might be wishful thinking, but I think in some red states, they were used and abused way too much.
00:26:30.000I think these legislatures have to step up.
00:26:32.000And look, if you want to shut down a state, go through the legislative process.
00:26:38.000If like you can get the Ohio state house and state Senate to shut down a state for 30 days, I actually think that's okay.
00:26:44.000I think that the courts might knock it down here and there.
00:26:47.000But just like the fact that a governor can just sign a piece of paper and shut down bars in schools, I think that's a usurpation of what the Constitution, especially on a state-based level and definitely a federal level, is supposed to be able to do.
00:26:59.000The fact that Joe Biden can just sign a piece of paper and say you have to wear a mask on an airplane, go through the legislative process.
00:27:05.000So those are some remedies for sure that we have to do that.
00:27:07.000I think it could slow down kind of this indulgence of autocratic and tyrannical behavior we've seen.
00:27:13.000But we're not going to get the justice that I would want to see.
00:27:15.000Dave, I think that any doctor that interfered with a patient trying to get ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine needs to be held criminally accountable.
00:27:28.000I have hundreds of emails of people that have relatives that died in the hospital, and they were trying to give them these life-saving drugs.
00:27:34.000And the hospital says, oh, those drugs might kill them.
00:28:05.000No matter what, you know, Dr. Wentz says.
00:28:10.000Yeah, I mean, look, and this is the thing is that trust the science, trust the science.
00:28:14.000We did a whole podcast on this that I think it was really well received.
00:28:17.000One of the best podcasts we've done in a while as far as like response, which is that they conflate two things, right?
00:28:22.000So they conflate things that we would call the natural law, like force equals mass times acceleration, the irrefutable tenets of Western science, right?
00:28:30.000The inquiry into the natural world, second law of thermodynamics, the inevitable law of decay.
00:28:34.000And they conflate that with conjecture and hypothesis, right?
00:28:38.000So they put that all into kind of the same term as if if you challenge wearing three masks while you shower, you're somehow at war with Copernicus, right?
00:28:48.000And like the average engineer who works at Ford, right, is like, well, you know, I'm trading the sciences.
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00:30:48.000We have to get this right or else everything we love falls apart.
00:30:51.000I have been so encouraged, though, just in the last 12 months, Dave, how much momentum there is behind this kind of new technology space.
00:31:00.000From locals, which is terrific, which is a way to bypass the Patreon gatekeepers, to the content creators that have gone all in on Rumble, you, our program, Dan Bongino, Dinesh D'Souza, Russell Brand, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, freedom-loving, liberty-loving people all across the spectrum, but do believe that big tech tyranny is an existential threat.
00:31:19.000I thought the offer to Rogan was really brilliant.
00:32:15.000I think Rumble is going to be a 20 or 30 or $40 billion company.
00:32:18.000I'm confident of that because there is a center right of the planet, not just the country, that is desiring a platform that actually allows voices to speak their mind and not be taken off and not have these sort of woke gatekeepers.
00:32:31.000But look, there are going to be institutional challenges.
00:32:33.000But to, you know, I know we keep talking about Rumble, but they're not, you're not alone.
00:32:37.000There's other people in playing, but Rumble's definitely the most sophisticated, I think, best funded and most momentum.
00:32:43.000I think that, I think that it's ahead of schedule.
00:32:46.000And I think that there's going to be starts.
00:32:47.000I think there's some chatter already in Silicon Valley of what are we going to do about these Rumble guys?
00:32:51.000Well, you can't shut off their servers, right?
00:32:54.000You could probably go after their advertisers for now, but then you got locals, which is hundreds of thousands of grassroots people supporting people via Patreon, which is going to be incredibly effective to be able to kind of have the super chat feature of videos, which is a huge revenue source for Google.
00:33:09.000There'll be institutional ads that will always go behind Rumble that are on the center right.
00:33:14.000And so what else do they kind of have in the tickler file to try to go after Rumble?
00:33:18.000Okay, they're going to try to go after the ad network.
00:33:20.000They're going to try to go after New York Times, Washington Post.
00:35:15.000And so just to kind of reinforce the point, though, you know, Netflix is down, Facebook is down, California is down, Florida is up, Texas is up, Rumble is up, right?
00:35:22.000So look, I've said this for quite some time.
00:35:24.000I think we're living through a slow-motion secession movement, and the act of secession is happening on United Airlines every day in the nonstop flight from Los Angeles to Orlando or from Los Angeles to Miami.
00:35:59.000And a very provocative but honest thought exercise for your audience and for all of us to kind of dwell over, which is what do I, Charlie Kirk, who live in Phoenix, what do I have in common with a San Francisco woke activist that's 24 years old that just graduated from UC Berkeley?
00:36:47.000You don't have shared policy prescriptions.
00:36:50.000Everything is quote unquote politicized and divided.
00:36:52.000And so, you know, we've kind of dwelled in this field to the great, you know, the great cost of being written up in Media Matters, which is a wonderful thing to happen.
00:37:10.000Like, hey, look, but look, we are right on the hinge.
00:37:14.000We're right on the edge of a national divorce.
00:37:17.000Now, I have a contrarian view on this, which is I actually think the sooner we build the parallel economy and we have these other mediums, I actually think it de-escalates the chance for a national divorce.
00:37:35.000Actually, it's kind of like, all right, you do you, we do us.
00:37:38.000Like, maybe we can have like a five-year cooling off period before we actually sign the divorce papers, right?
00:37:44.000And I don't think, I think the more that we live under their tyranny, you're going to see real radicalism rise up that I hate and you hate, right?
00:37:51.000Where people are starting to talk about things that I don't want the country to break up.
00:38:18.000They want every inch, and they want us to live in their tyranny.
00:38:21.000Like they are up at night really angry that some Baptist preacher in Enid, Oklahoma is not like perfectly in alignment with like every single one of their worldviews, right?
00:38:59.000It's like, we are not going to stop till everyone succumbs to our agenda.
00:39:03.000And then the other side of it, though, are like the Sarah Silverman, Ron Perlman types, which they're actually being more humble and honest.
00:39:10.000I have to say that I have way more respect for people that are like, let's just break up and not fight.
00:39:15.000And that's actually a better, that's a better starting point than like, we're going to take over Kansas.
00:39:21.000Like, well, hold on, hold on a second.
00:39:27.000Yeah, but can I put a fly in that ointment on the second one for you, which is they're saying let's break up and just that's it, but they'll never let that be.
00:39:34.000I think you would agree with that, right?
00:39:37.000If we give them the breakup that they want, Sarah Silverman, guess what she wants?
00:40:15.000I mean, it's like, again, we have, if we actually put our heads together, there's enough mature people that could probably figure this out.
00:40:20.000But if we're dealing with Chuck Schumer, like, I don't know, like, that's probably not going to go well.
00:41:00.000But when I say conflict, I don't think that's out of the cards.
00:41:03.000I want it to happen, but you can only raise the temperature in the room so much before you kind of provoke a kinetic response.
00:41:11.000And so I actually think the parallel economy is going to be an unintended pressure release valve for liberty-loving people across the country, which is like, okay, now I at least have a place I can watch videos.
00:41:22.000Like now I have a place I can bank, right?
00:41:25.000Now I have a place I can get a mortgage.
00:41:27.000And I think that's going to hopefully bring the temperature down in the room despite the, you know, the best wishes of the other side.
00:41:35.000That seems like, it seems like they want conflict, which is a whole different conversation for a different time.
00:41:38.000It seems like they want us to punch first and then they could justify the security state apparatus behind it.
00:41:44.000Yeah, this concept of building the parallel economy purely to keep it together is actually interesting because most people think of it as, oh, that accelerates the separation because then we can just go our separate ways.
00:42:05.000Because everybody is looking to the midterms and there's this feeling that there's going to be this red wave.
00:42:10.000Although, as I said, we're seeing the pivot happen in real time.
00:42:13.000And you can also feel the media trying to link January 6th to somehow the truckers and that we're exporting a worldwide insurrection and all of this nonsense.
00:42:25.000Well, A, I guess give me a little bit of your take on what you think is going to happen in the midterms and are there areas we could focus in to make sure that we get a nice result.
00:42:32.000But B, you know, everyone's looking at the 2024 situation.
00:42:36.000I want DeSantis to stay the governor of Florida.
00:43:15.000This should be a 60 or 70 year seat majority for the House of Representatives, which is enough where you could hold on to that for at least two or three more cycles.
00:43:51.000I still think we're going to do very, very well, especially in some of these Senate races like Arizona and Georgia.
00:43:57.000I think it'll be a seven to 10 point swing on top of what things naturally are.
00:44:01.000I'm afraid I'll reinforce a point I said earlier.
00:44:03.000I think it will be a misleading indicator of the health of the Republican Party because of how bad the Democrats are.
00:44:09.000This will be a massive indictment of the woke and the Democrats and the insane and the COVID lockdowns where people are just looking for some way that they can just like, what can I vote for that isn't them?
00:44:20.000I think Virginia was an example of that.
00:44:22.000I think the incredibly unexpected airtight race in New Jersey was an example of that.
00:44:26.000I think a Republican winning the city attorney's race in Seattle was an example of that.
00:44:30.000That's all back in November, but it's important to remind people of that.
00:44:36.000It's still, it's too early to kind of make predictions on like seat majorities, but I am not seeing from Republicans what I really want, which is a new Gingrich style contract with America promises clear and concise, here's what we're going to do.
00:44:49.000And it's not just, you know, free trade and giving China what they want and a mass amnesty plan and lower taxes.
00:45:01.000So on the Trump thing in 2024, he is going to run.
00:45:04.000Every single indication points towards that.
00:45:07.000I think actually Trump will benefit from a primary challenge.
00:45:11.000I think that if he actually has to run against somebody who isn't a joke, I actually think that would really be good for him.
00:45:18.000I think that's one of the things that made him such a powerful general election candidate in 2016 because he had some of the most amazing metaphorical political CrossFit training one could have.
00:45:29.000I mean, he ran up against like 29,000 people, right?
00:45:32.000It was like 16, but it was like from every direction, right?
00:45:34.000It was like, boom, Scott Walker and boom, Ben Carson.
00:45:43.000So I think that I'm not trying to encourage someone to run against him.
00:45:47.000I would rather see him obviously go unopposed if that's necessary.
00:45:51.000It's probably better for him in the sense of, you know, not having to spend as much money.
00:45:54.000But I actually think kind of shaking off kind of some of the dust and getting back into the metaphorical ring could be really, really good for him.
00:46:02.000As far as DeSantis goes, I think he's unbelievable.
00:46:05.000I think he's the greatest governor of the last 10 or 20 or 30 years.
00:46:09.000Ron DeSantis has done everything right and everything issue that matters to me, from vaccine mandates to opening up Florida to being strong on crime across the board.
00:47:03.000And I think that he also has a record to run on in contrast to this current absolute dumpster fire that we are seeing in real time.
00:47:11.000And also, make no mistake, I don't think people are really looking forward to having another Democrat president after four years.
00:47:18.000If we had, I want people to think about this, if we had a parliamentary system and there was right now a national vote of no confidence against Joe Biden, he'd get run out of there immediately.
00:47:28.000Now, we don't have that type of system, right?
00:47:39.000And so, look, I also think though that Trump has to have, he has to make some adjustments going in 2024.
00:47:44.000If you're running up against a self-destructive candidate, do not get in the way of your enemy defeating himself.
00:47:50.000I think that was something that's a great learning lesson from 2020.
00:47:54.000And I think 2016, Trump, where he was big, bold, ambitious, and he was willing to capture the imagination of the American people, I think he has to play a little bit more into that.
00:48:03.000It's hard when you're an incumbent to do that.