The Charlie Kirk Show - August 30, 2023


The Party of "Experts" with David Sacks

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Charlie Kirk
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David Sacks
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David Sachs Donald Trump Machiavelli Joe Biden Kappa Kappa Gamma Artemis Langford Victoria Nuland Producer Andrew Henry Kissinger Michael Anton Alan Jones Megan Kelly Mike Pence Medici Jakari Jackson Chino Valley Schools Turning Point USA Mitch McConnell Vivek Ramaswamy Tucker Carlson and 20 more
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David Sachs joins us to talk about a man, 6 foot 2, who joins a sorority and watches women undress, and what to do about it. Plus, why the right should embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries and destroyed lives and fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, David Sachs joins us.
00:00:03.000 Really brilliant commentary.
00:00:05.000 And then, how should you react to a man, six foot two man, who joins a sorority?
00:00:12.000 Well, Kappa, Kappa, Gamma, the national organization, says it's perfectly fine that a man can watch women undress and be allowed in a sorority.
00:00:20.000 There's nothing you can do about it.
00:00:22.000 And you get sexual pleasure from it.
00:00:24.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
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00:00:45.000 As always, you can email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:48.000 I want to hear from you directly and text this episode to your friends.
00:00:52.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:53.000 Here we go.
00:00:54.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:56.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:58.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:01:02.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:01:05.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:06.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:07.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:15.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:24.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:37.000 I am currently taking a course taught by Michael Anton, who I want to have back on the show, on Machiavelli.
00:01:46.000 And it is really in-depth.
00:01:47.000 I'll tell you the other people taking the class with me.
00:01:49.000 They are very smart.
00:01:51.000 And as you study Machiavelli, you realize that he's portrayed incompletely by most people.
00:02:00.000 I mean, if you ask somebody in politics, oh, what does it mean to be Machiavellian?
00:02:04.000 They say, oh, well, ends justify the means.
00:02:07.000 That is true.
00:02:08.000 That's in there.
00:02:09.000 Or we must throw out antiquity and enter in modernity.
00:02:14.000 That's also there.
00:02:15.000 Let's understand the most famous book that Machiavelli wrote, The Prince.
00:02:19.000 Machiavelli was basically writing this as a job interview.
00:02:24.000 Machiavelli was in the government of Florence at a very young age, 28, 29, basically lost his job and he wanted to get hired again as a bureaucrat.
00:02:34.000 Very well-paying job back then.
00:02:36.000 He wanted a job with the Medici family.
00:02:38.000 And so the whole book is basically written to the Medici family: hey, here's everything I know.
00:02:43.000 Here's how you govern.
00:02:44.000 Here's how you rule.
00:02:46.000 And Machiavelli, whether he realized that at the time, and Michael Anton argues, yes, he did, he was a philosopher.
00:02:54.000 And very rarely do you ever come across someone who can be called a philosopher.
00:02:59.000 The depth, the complexity of his writing is, it's beyond just how some people summarize it.
00:03:06.000 But Machiavelli certainly, the more you understand it, you realize that the left-wing regime uses several principles of Machiavelli as a way to win.
00:03:20.000 Somebody says here, they emailed us, Charlie, frankly, the right, our side, is worthless in a fight.
00:03:25.000 We play by the rules and worry about others.
00:03:27.000 Dem suffer no such problems.
00:03:30.000 Just by an FBI, just an FYI, and they're coming after all of us.
00:03:35.000 The conservative movement would do very well to embrace the spirit of Machiavelli as detailed in The Prince, if we want to win.
00:03:46.000 This story, I think, touches on it perfectly.
00:03:49.000 It's a story that shows how indifference neutrality is actually losing.
00:03:56.000 The postmillennial reports at thepostmillennial.com, just one of several of these stories of how the gender and the sex fight is coming into the courts.
00:04:08.000 And judges and the courts in red America are woefully unprepared for this fight.
00:04:14.000 We talked to the story before of Artemis Langford. 0.90
00:04:18.000 Now, Artemis Langford looks like a white Michael Orr, like you could be a right tackle for the Baltimore Ravens.
00:04:26.000 Like 260 pounds, 6'2. 0.99
00:04:29.000 Obviously, he has deep-seated mental problems.
00:04:31.000 I hope Artemis finds a counselor to help him through that.
00:04:36.000 But instead of dealing with his mental problems in private, like mature adults do, he wants the rest of the world to suffer and be uncomfortable because of his deep-seated mental problems.
00:04:45.000 It's one thing to have mental issues.
00:04:48.000 That's understandable.
00:04:49.000 Some people do, and I feel sorry for you.
00:04:51.000 I have compassion for you.
00:04:53.000 It's another thing to say the rest of the world must also suffer simultaneously because I also have mental issues.
00:04:59.000 So Artemis Langford, who is a biological male, the guy towers over these women, demands that he is able to become a sorority sister at the University of Wyoming.
00:05:11.000 So several of these college students, females, brought a lawsuit against Kappa Kappa Gamma, KKG, which is supposed to be all about sisterhood, over the policy allowing a biological man into the sisterhood.
00:05:25.000 That case has now been rejected by the U.S. District for Wyoming, and the sisters of the sorority will now be forced to allow a man entry into the all-female group. 0.97
00:05:37.000 Artemis Langford reportedly watched the college girls undress, sometimes sporting an erection while doing so.
00:05:44.000 The sorority sisters didn't like it, but Kappa Kappa Gamma policy is that men who claim to be women are women enough to be part of the sisterhood. 1.00
00:05:53.000 So basically, we are now forcing 50% of the population to let their social lives be dominated by disgusting mentally ill, neurotic, predatory freaks. 0.99
00:06:03.000 This person, Artemis Langford, is a neurotic freak. 0.99
00:06:07.000 And the courts say, well, we don't take stances on gender.
00:06:11.000 Not taking a stance on gender is taking a stance on gender.
00:06:15.000 And so in the University of Wyoming, in the red state of Wyoming, they are subjecting these young ladies to a form of sexual abuse, court-mandated sexual abuse in the name of trans rights.
00:06:30.000 This is happening all across the country and not just in sports, in changing rooms and locker rooms and sororities. 0.72
00:06:36.000 And you might say, well, Charlie, where are the feminists? 1.00
00:06:38.000 This is kind of like a common take. 1.00
00:06:41.000 Where are the feminists? 1.00
00:06:42.000 The feminists support this. 1.00
00:06:45.000 Some feminists speak out, but most feminists support this. 1.00
00:06:48.000 Why? 1.00
00:06:49.000 Because at the root of feminism is that women should act more like men. 1.00
00:06:54.000 That was always the argument. 1.00
00:06:56.000 That was Betty Fredan's feminine mystique that women will be happier if you freeze your eggs, that women will be happier if you run the companies, that women will be happier if you become more like men. 0.80
00:07:09.000 It is only natural that eventually that women become men. 0.97
00:07:14.000 So the whole, the next step of feminism, third and fourth wave feminism, is that women will be happier if you literally be a man. 0.70
00:07:21.000 Now, we used to say when I used to go to college campuses that feminism is all about hating men.
00:07:26.000 I have to update that. 1.00
00:07:28.000 Feminism is all about wanting to become men. 1.00
00:07:32.000 It is the abolition of women. 0.99
00:07:35.000 C.S. Lewis famously wrote the book, Abolition of Man.
00:07:38.000 This is the abolition of women. 0.99
00:07:41.000 This is why they hate sororities, because they're female-only spaces. 1.00
00:07:48.000 And parents, legislatures in Wyoming, the governor of Wyoming, they're all just kind of sitting around and they're saying, well, I guess we have to let the freak in.
00:07:57.000 No, you don't.
00:07:59.000 He should be arrested, put in prison. 1.00
00:08:03.000 And women are agreeable. 0.96
00:08:05.000 Men are more disagreeable. 0.52
00:08:07.000 Good luck. 1.00
00:08:08.000 You're going to try to tell me that some freak who is a woman try to go into a fraternity. 1.00
00:08:16.000 He would be mocked, ridiculed, made fun of for good reason. 0.97
00:08:21.000 I support that mockery, by the way.
00:08:23.000 If a woman who thinks that she is a man wanted to join a fraternity, that person would be made fun of so much, bullied so much, crying so much, they would get themselves out. 1.00
00:08:33.000 These girls should bully this freak, but they won't. 1.00
00:08:38.000 Because they say, well, maybe we should have compassion for the predator who's getting an erection while watching other girls undress. 1.00
00:08:46.000 Artemis Lankford. 0.98
00:08:48.000 Where do we draw the line? 0.99
00:08:49.000 Men wouldn't put up with this, actual men. 1.00
00:08:52.000 You see, if these girls, you can get this man out of your sorority. 1.00
00:08:58.000 You just have to treat him poorly. 1.00
00:09:00.000 Make fun of him. 1.00
00:09:01.000 Be like, you're a fat freak. 1.00
00:09:03.000 What are you doing here? 1.00
00:09:05.000 Girls don't think, girls do that to other girls. 1.00
00:09:07.000 They don't do that to men. 1.00
00:09:08.000 Girls are perfectly capable of bullying other girls. 1.00
00:09:11.000 They're the best at it. 1.00
00:09:12.000 They're like way more savage than men. 1.00
00:09:14.000 But girls bullying girls, because there is a physical intimidation factor.
00:09:18.000 This guy is like, Shrek? 0.91
00:09:20.000 It's like he could just take one of them and crush their skull. 0.99
00:09:24.000 I mean, that's sick. 0.99
00:09:25.000 I'm sorry.
00:09:26.000 That is sick. 0.98
00:09:28.000 He towers over these young ladies, obviously a predator. 1.00
00:09:32.000 And he's obviously sexually attracted to them. 1.00
00:09:34.000 Watching them undress with an erection and the judge says, why do we need to protect women? 0.98
00:09:40.000 Protect women? 0.98
00:09:43.000 This is going to happen everywhere. 1.00
00:09:44.000 This is going to happen with preschoolers.
00:09:46.000 It's happening in sports.
00:09:47.000 It's happening all across the board. 0.96
00:09:50.000 One way to stop it is to make the trans freaks feel uncomfortable. 1.00
00:09:56.000 Nothing physical. 0.99
00:09:57.000 Just make fun of them.
00:09:58.000 Say, you're not welcome here.
00:10:00.000 You're not welcome in our sorority. 1.00
00:10:03.000 Go away.
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00:10:08.000 You shouldn't be nice to predators.
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00:12:00.000 So you go to kappa kappagamma.org, which is the organization that's allowing the freak in the sorority. 0.98
00:12:10.000 And their mission statement is this.
00:12:12.000 Kappa unites women to learn, grow, and inspire positive change.
00:12:20.000 Join us in dreaming boldly and living fully.
00:12:23.000 One thing I've learned dealing with the left is that if you ask them to define their terms, they can't. 0.83
00:12:29.000 So what is a woman, Kappa, Kappa, Gamma? 1.00
00:12:34.000 What is a woman?
00:12:35.000 I would like an official statement from kappa kappagamma.org. 1.00
00:12:39.000 What is a woman?
00:12:41.000 Matt Walsh led the charge on this beautifully.
00:12:43.000 Same way they can't define racism.
00:12:45.000 They can't define any of this.
00:12:47.000 They can't define democracy.
00:12:49.000 They use these words so frequently, they don't actually know what they mean.
00:12:54.000 So kappa kappagamma.org, who's allowing this man in there who is getting off sexually being around women on dress, saying you must be in there.
00:13:06.000 Remember, these girls were suing the private organization.
00:13:08.000 University of Wyoming says, oh, there's nothing we could do about it.
00:13:10.000 Yeah, you could call the local sheriff and arrest him for being a weirdo, but they wouldn't do that, obviously, because they're weak, because we become a very, very weak country.
00:13:20.000 This guy should not be allowed women. 1.00
00:13:22.000 You know, it used to be illegal to do that. 0.99
00:13:24.000 It used to be illegal to go into women's locker rooms and to be a perv. 1.00
00:13:29.000 Used to get you arrested.
00:13:30.000 Now it's perfectly acceptable under trans rights. 0.95
00:13:32.000 So kappa kappagamma.org says kappa unites women to learn, grow, and inspire positive change. 1.00
00:13:38.000 What is a woman? 0.75
00:13:40.000 And the reason why there was no traction on this is because all of the female alumni of Kappa Kappa Gamma, women are super agreeable. 0.56
00:13:50.000 Men and women are different.
00:13:53.000 So women were probably just like, well, I'm not happy about that, but I'm really afraid to do something about it. 1.00
00:13:58.000 And they are. 1.00
00:14:00.000 They get so angry about Donald Trump, blow up the White House, Madonna, the whole thing, you know, the pink hat thing.
00:14:05.000 But when an actual man wants to be in their sorority, meh.
00:14:10.000 And by the way, these seven young ladies who sued are heroines. 0.99
00:14:14.000 They deserve our credit.
00:14:16.000 I believe they were on Megan Kelly's program or Lauren Ingram's program.
00:14:19.000 I remember they were on one of the two recently.
00:14:21.000 Either Ingram or Kelly have done a great job.
00:14:23.000 And where are the parents?
00:14:25.000 Where are the dads?
00:14:26.000 It just doesn't matter.
00:14:26.000 MIA.
00:14:29.000 You see, I'm not allowed to say this.
00:14:30.000 I'm not allowed to say what I want to say.
00:14:32.000 That's all I'm going to say.
00:14:33.000 I'm not allowed to say what I want to say, so you have to read my mind.
00:14:36.000 Telepathy.
00:14:38.000 Got to read my mind.
00:14:40.000 I have a daughter, and the rest, you just have to read my mind.
00:14:44.000 Not allowed to say it.
00:14:46.000 Or else Producer Andrew's going to just, he's just going to jump through the window.
00:14:51.000 I'm not allowed to, so I'm definitely not saying it.
00:14:53.000 So you have to read it.
00:14:55.000 Okay, that's it.
00:14:56.000 That's the end of that segment.
00:14:57.000 Judge Alan Johnson dismissed the case, Weston Brook v. Kappa Kappa Gamma fraternity.
00:15:02.000 The ruling from Johnson was that it was the right of the group to redefine the word woman to include men.
00:15:08.000 The court says that we will not define woman today.
00:15:11.000 We laughed when Katanji Brown Jackson said she couldn't define a woman.
00:15:16.000 That is the entire American legal profession right now.
00:15:21.000 Oberlin, college administrators, caught on secret recording reprimanding head lacrosse coach for defending women's sports.
00:15:28.000 California Attorney General sues Chino Valley Schools over policy requiring parental notification if a kid wants to transition their gender.
00:15:38.000 So they say it's basic freedom association.
00:15:41.000 So why can't conservatives have that?
00:15:43.000 Well, there's never freedom of association when the right wants to control who teaches in our schools or who we can make cakes for.
00:15:50.000 Somebody emailed us.
00:15:51.000 Charlie, I will say it.
00:15:52.000 Another one emailed freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:15:54.000 Charlie, I can read your mind.
00:15:56.000 Wow, you guys are very talented.
00:15:58.000 Very, very talented.
00:16:00.000 I could just see the Media Matters article.
00:16:01.000 Charlie Kirk asks audience to read mind.
00:16:05.000 I'm not saying it.
00:16:07.000 Nope.
00:16:08.000 They can't ban you if you don't say it. 1.00
00:16:10.000 And the courts say, well, we don't take a position on what a woman is. 1.00
00:16:13.000 That is your American legal profession. 1.00
00:16:15.000 How broken is the country? 0.99
00:16:17.000 Time and time and time again, they will not say what a woman is.
00:16:21.000 You know, when I go out and I speak and I say, you know, in college, they teach you that men can give birth.
00:16:27.000 And everyone laughs.
00:16:28.000 And, you know, these $100 million donors to Harvard will tell me, oh, Charlie, they don't teach that.
00:16:33.000 I say, oh, yeah, they do.
00:16:36.000 Wake up. 1.00
00:16:38.000 Your American legal system, the judges in charge of your society will say we don't take a position on what a woman is.
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00:17:51.000 Joining us now is one of the smartest and clearest thinkers in the country who has been speaking out more and more on politics, and I really enjoy his commentary.
00:18:00.000 David Sachs, who is a legendary entrepreneur and really sees things clearly.
00:18:05.000 David, thank you for taking time to join our program and also the all-in podcast.
00:18:12.000 I want to make sure we plug that as well.
00:18:14.000 So, David, I caught a clip of yours this last weekend.
00:18:17.000 If that's okay, I want to play it because what you said was super smart.
00:18:20.000 You talked about the disconnect between Republican primary voters and the people running for the Republican nomination as illustrated by our event we hosted a couple weeks ago.
00:18:30.000 Let's play Cut 60.
00:18:32.000 There is polling by CNN that a majority of Americans have now turned against the idea of giving more aid to Ukraine.
00:18:38.000 I'm sure that number is much higher in the Republican Party.
00:18:41.000 If you remember, there was an event, Charlie Kirk, who is a conservative influencer, has an event called Turning Point USA, and they did polling of their conference attendees.
00:18:53.000 The number one issue that everyone agreed on was Ukraine.
00:18:56.000 95% of the attendees opposed giving more aid to Ukraine.
00:19:02.000 Donald Trump only got 85% popularity.
00:19:05.000 So the base of the party is even more united against Joe Biden's policy in Ukraine than they are on loving Trump.
00:19:13.000 Okay, that tells you something.
00:19:14.000 And yet, Viveka is the only kid on that stage that was willing to raise his hand, like aggressively, like full-throatedly, not kind of a half-hearted, to saying that he did not agree with Biden's policy on Ukraine.
00:19:26.000 Very smart.
00:19:28.000 David, elaborate on that.
00:19:29.000 I have several questions, but the floor is yours.
00:19:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that the base of the party is very well informed about this war, and I think they understand it.
00:19:38.000 I think they understand that this is a proxy war of choice that's turning into a forever war, another quagmire for the United States.
00:19:45.000 They're very much opposed to spending over $100 billion that's already been appropriated in Ukraine when we have so many festering problems at home.
00:19:54.000 They would like, I think, an American president to focus on problems here at home and spend our limited money here at home.
00:20:02.000 And I think they also understand the ways in which the Biden administration caused this war.
00:20:07.000 This is a war that was easily avoidable, that was caused by the United States bringing NATO, seeking to bring NATO right up to Russia's borders.
00:20:17.000 And the Biden administration could have found any one of many off-ramps in 2021 or early 2022 to avoid this war.
00:20:26.000 And it didn't.
00:20:26.000 It courted this conflict.
00:20:28.000 So here we are.
00:20:29.000 And I think finally, the base of the party understands that it's not going well.
00:20:32.000 Even the mainstream media has finally had to acknowledge that this Ukrainian counteroffensive is failing, that the losses have been staggering.
00:20:40.000 The reports from the battlefields have been sobering.
00:20:43.000 And now you see the blame game and the finger pointing between the U.S. and its Ukrainian allies where they're blaming each other for this failure.
00:20:50.000 So I think the party, the base of the party is well informed.
00:20:53.000 It understands what's happening and it would like to see this conflict brought to an end.
00:20:57.000 And yet, there's hardly any difference between most members of the Republican elite.
00:21:02.000 So candidates like Christie, Haley, Pence, and Scott, I mean, they basically have no qualms with the Biden policy of endless war for, you know, as much as it takes for as long as it takes.
00:21:16.000 Their only complaint about Biden really is that he's not doing enough fast enough for them.
00:21:20.000 So, you know, unlimited funding forever is still not enough.
00:21:26.000 That's their only complaint.
00:21:27.000 And by the way, this is the position of most of the Republicans in Washington, the GOP establishment, Mitch McConnell, and about two-thirds of our elected representatives in Washington.
00:21:41.000 But I think the base of the party is very much on a different page.
00:21:44.000 And so I think eventually this has to play out in the Republican primary.
00:21:48.000 So you have to help me understand this.
00:21:50.000 And I spoke to Tucker Carlson about this, and he agreed.
00:21:53.000 The caricature of the stereotype that most people have when it comes to politicians is they'll say anything to get elected.
00:21:59.000 So they'll read the room, they'll see where people are, and then they'll kind of conform to the majority opinion, that they're shapeshifters, if you will.
00:22:07.000 This is different, though.
00:22:08.000 If they were actually the political panderers that most people believe politicians are, then they would just kind of say some sort of, you know, oh, yeah, Ukraine not going well.
00:22:20.000 Let's focus on our country.
00:22:21.000 And then just lie about it.
00:22:22.000 And when they get into office, they'll do something different.
00:22:25.000 But David, for whatever reason, there's a zealotry, an ideological undercurrent here.
00:22:30.000 Is it driven by donors?
00:22:32.000 Is it driven that they actually believe it?
00:22:34.000 Why is it that Vivek Ramaswamy was the only one to put his hand straight up and say no more aid to Ukraine?
00:22:41.000 They know the party is not with them, and yet they are defiantly lecturing them against the wills of the will of the party.
00:22:47.000 I don't understand it.
00:22:48.000 I think there's a couple of things going on.
00:22:49.000 I think one is that there is a difference between what the base of the party thinks and what the elites think, what the establishment thinks.
00:22:58.000 And I don't know if that's because of ideology or whether it's because of the money that's involved.
00:23:04.000 I mean, the defense contractors, the military-industrial complex, and all these different groups that benefit from us spending hundreds of billions of dollars in these forever wars.
00:23:14.000 I mean, I think they're a powerful interest group.
00:23:15.000 They control all the think tanks.
00:23:17.000 I mean, most of the think tanks are funded by the military-industrial complex.
00:23:20.000 And so they're putting out a steady stream of propaganda for this war.
00:23:24.000 So I don't know if it's a function of money or ideology, but there is clearly a difference between what the ordinary voter in the Republican primary thinks and what most Republican politicians think.
00:23:35.000 And let's remember, I mean, you had the same dynamic in 2016.
00:23:39.000 One of the reasons why Donald Trump came out of nowhere to become the Republican nominee is he said no more bushes.
00:23:45.000 We had this experience of two decades of forever wars in the Middle East that had cost us trillions of dollars and had led to the deaths of millions of people.
00:23:55.000 And, you know, we had thousands of our own casualties and wounded warriors coming back.
00:24:00.000 And Donald Trump said that, you know, no more bushes, no more of these forever wars.
00:24:04.000 And he was the only Republican on that stage.
00:24:07.000 There were something like 16 primary candidates, and he was the only one to say that.
00:24:11.000 So, you know, I don't know what the mental block is with most Republicans, but they still have not gotten on the same page as the majority of their party.
00:24:21.000 The calculus, as I can see it, is they see the downside of betraying the capital flows of neoconservatism is much greater than the upside of potentially winning votes, meaning they still want to have a career and give speeches because they know deep down the likelihood of them becoming the nominee is next to zero.
00:24:37.000 So they do not want to break that orthodoxy for a livelihood reason, for a comfort reason, whatever it might be.
00:24:44.000 And so that is one line that won't be crossed.
00:24:46.000 So now we're seeing, David, Vivek Ramaswamy get attacked from every direction.
00:24:53.000 The knives are out for Vivek.
00:24:54.000 And he was saying pretty base things and his polling was going up.
00:24:58.000 But as soon as he started to articulate his foreign policy, I mean, you know, in the breaks, I read the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Politico.
00:25:05.000 This is a multi-institutional firing squad against the Indian dude with a weird name.
00:25:12.000 And I mean that lovingly.
00:25:13.000 I love Vivek.
00:25:14.000 I mean, he is an existential threat to the regime because he asks heterodox questions about our foreign policy.
00:25:21.000 What's going on here?
00:25:22.000 Yeah, it is interesting.
00:25:23.000 I mean, you really see how much of a uniparty there is when it comes to an issue like this.
00:25:30.000 You have both the Wall Street Journal editorial page, which is supposed to be nominally conservative, and the Washington Post both denouncing Vivek.
00:25:39.000 So all of the major media, even, you know, even, again, putatively conservative media, that's part of the establishment is denouncing him.
00:25:48.000 And yeah, you see that these parties, which we're told never agree on anything, they really march in lockstep and close ranks when someone threatens this, like you said, neocon agenda.
00:26:00.000 The foreign policy establishment has been completely taken over by this neocon wing.
00:26:06.000 And they really close ranks around any threats to it.
00:26:10.000 Yes, they do.
00:26:10.000 Yeah.
00:26:11.000 And you saw this, I think, with the types of criticism that people like Nikki Haley and Mike Pence were making against Vivek on that stage.
00:26:22.000 I mean, you had Nikki Haley was repeating this sort of hackney talking point that anybody who wants to show judgment and restraint in our foreign policy and limit our involvement and interventions overseas is inexperienced, you know, or weak.
00:26:41.000 I mean, this is the rhetoric that you hear that was then echoed by the Washington Post or Wall Street Journal.
00:26:46.000 But what is it exactly about our foreign policy over the last 20 years that would make anyone want to choose so-called experience?
00:26:53.000 All the people with experience have gotten everything wrong over the past 20 years.
00:26:58.000 I mean, you know, they got us into Iraq based on a bunch of lies. 0.83
00:27:02.000 They kept us in Afghanistan for 20 years. 1.00
00:27:04.000 They got us into Syria and Libya.
00:27:07.000 And again, they avoided all of the easily taken actions and off-ramps that would have avoided this war in Ukraine.
00:27:15.000 So what is it about this foreign policy establishment that's so experienced that we should defer to?
00:27:21.000 You know, again, I'm all in favor of looking at a candidate's frack record.
00:27:24.000 But if you look at the track record of people like Nikki Haley, it's a track record of failure.
00:27:28.000 I would much rather bet on the rookie who has fresh ideas, who's not beholden to the past, and who's expressing a correct understanding of our foreign policy choices.
00:27:39.000 And again, this is exactly the choice that the Republican base faced in 2016 when they went with another rookie, Donald Trump.
00:27:46.000 And I think this is the choice that, again, we face today.
00:27:49.000 You're so right.
00:27:50.000 So I'm just flipping through some of the articles here.
00:27:52.000 One of the article headlines, David, makes me laugh.
00:27:54.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is no Henry Kissinger.
00:27:57.000 So wait a second.
00:27:57.000 Who made Henry Kissinger the standard bearer of foreign policy?
00:28:01.000 Like the guy that made China one of the wealthiest countries on the planet, the guy that has supported neoconservative imperialism in every sovereign country in the Middle East.
00:28:10.000 Like what exactly about that?
00:28:12.000 What they're getting at, though, and you're so right, is this tired old attack vector of inexperience, lack of depth, let the experts take over.
00:28:21.000 David, I do see some promising trends, not on the left.
00:28:24.000 The left is like suspiciously pro-war now.
00:28:26.000 It's making me dizzy.
00:28:28.000 But I am starting to see the same way that the expert class was challenged post-COVID, the foreign policy expert class, at least on the right, is not taken very seriously.
00:28:37.000 I think that's a healthy development.
00:28:39.000 Yeah, I think that's right.
00:28:40.000 I think the analogy to COVID is a very good one.
00:28:42.000 I think that what happened with COVID is that the American people learned over time that the experts were not to be trusted, these so-called experts, the people who ran our health establishment.
00:28:54.000 They promoted all the wrong policies.
00:28:56.000 You know, we had lockdowns, and then they pumped this vaccine that they told us was safe and effective, and it turned out not to work at all.
00:29:06.000 So I think that there's something similar happening, a similar eyes are being opened to our foreign policy establishment.
00:29:11.000 And I would say that Victoria Newland is the Fauci of this situation in the same way that we learned that Fauci was supposed to be preventing pandemics and instead he was funding gain of function research.
00:29:23.000 Victoria Newland was supposed to be our chief diplomat over there and instead she was fomenting coups in Kiev and regime change wars.
00:29:32.000 So I think we're learning that the people who are supposed to be running our State Department again in charge of American diplomacy are actually creating problems and wars for us to get into.
00:29:43.000 The right, because of the treatment of Donald Trump, for better or for worse, is more willing to cast aside multi-decade trust of institutions.
00:29:51.000 So the right has an appetite to say, you know what, the generals are also awful because the CDC is awful and Bob Mueller was awful.
00:29:58.000 So there is a low trust of institutions on the right.
00:30:00.000 Not saying that's a great societal indicator, but actually it's probably where we should be.
00:30:04.000 So David, I mean, you've had to kind of swim in the lanes of people that would call themselves on the left for years.
00:30:11.000 I'm sure you remember being lectured about foreign wars and how it is the liberal position to be against foreign wars, which I sympathize with actually. 0.97
00:30:20.000 I think neoconservatism is disgusting and ugly and awful. 0.94
00:30:24.000 I wish the right would embrace that, our leadership would. 0.96
00:30:27.000 But what's happened to the rank and file of the left?
00:30:30.000 I know this is something that you probably get a question every so often, but it seems as if the Democrat Party, if you will, is all on board for the no-win war agenda, helping Ukraine. 0.76
00:30:42.000 What has changed?
00:30:44.000 Help me understand this.
00:30:46.000 Well, I think the Democrat Party in general is now the party of the elite, and it's a party of elite institutions.
00:30:52.000 And I think one of the fundamental differences and worldview between liberals and conservatives is that liberals believe that the way that you understand the world, what mediates our understanding of the world, are these experts.
00:31:07.000 You defer to experts.
00:31:09.000 That's how you understand what's going on.
00:31:11.000 And the experts are basically the people who they say they are, but that wouldn't be that convincing to people.
00:31:17.000 So what they do is they say the experts are the people who come out of these elite institutions and who run these institutions, the people who have these elite credentials.
00:31:25.000 And on the surface, it makes sense, right?
00:31:27.000 People who are running these elite institutions, they should be the experts.
00:31:30.000 The problem is that there's been kind of this liberal takeover of all of our elite institutions.
00:31:37.000 And so they're all kind of marching in lockstep.
00:31:41.000 And when they're wrong, there is no accountability.
00:31:46.000 The media, which is really supposed to hold them accountable, has instead become their Praetorian guard and will cover up and defend them.
00:31:53.000 And again, we saw this during COVID, that all the people who got everything wrong during COVID, there was no comeuppance or accountability for any of them.
00:32:01.000 And I think we're seeing the same thing now when the foreign policy establishment fails.
00:32:06.000 And really, any of these elites, again, there is no accountability for any of them when they get things so horribly wrong.
00:32:14.000 That's so true.
00:32:15.000 There's an article for the Jacobin newspaper or magazine or whatever.
00:32:19.000 The Democrat base just keeps getting richer and wider.
00:32:23.000 Do you think that there's going to be some potential schism in the Democrat Party?
00:32:28.000 Because in some ways it's a forced marriage.
00:32:30.000 You have the party of Aspen, Sun Valley, Kenny Bunkport kind of married together with the, let's just say, more activist class of, you know, Fulton County.
00:32:44.000 That's not exactly a match made in heaven, right?
00:32:47.000 I mean, the Bernie Sanders AOC types complain about oligarchy and corporate dominance, all the while the Democrat Party is the party of Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and Stanford.
00:32:57.000 Is that ever going to materialize, or is that kind of forced marriage going to stay as long as bad man Donald Trump is in the picture?
00:33:04.000 Well, I think that there's a strong crusader element to crusader zeal to our elites.
00:33:12.000 And there's been what I call the woke neocon fusion.
00:33:16.000 Yes.
00:33:16.000 Where if you think about it, our foreign policy and our domestic policy aren't that different.
00:33:21.000 I mean, you basically it's blue state dominance.
00:33:25.000 They want to dominate the red states and impose their ideology and way of life on both red states and the entire world. 0.96
00:33:33.000 I mean, this neocon project is basically a crusade to impose our values on the entire world.
00:33:38.000 Yes.
00:33:39.000 Yeah.
00:33:39.000 It's basically liberal hegemony.
00:33:41.000 I mean, but that is the name that they themselves, neocons, have, have called it.
00:33:46.000 They want to, it's a type of imperial hegemony in which we impose our values on the entire world.
00:33:53.000 And those values are the values not of the ordinary American, but of our foreign policy establishment and of our, again, elite institutions that are run by all of these people.
00:34:03.000 So I think their party, sort of the party of the ruling elite, might be more stable than we think.
00:34:11.000 I think the schism is going to be within the Republican Party, and you're already seeing that, and you saw it on this debate stage.
00:34:17.000 The question is, are we going to be the party of Oliver Anthony, who in that song, Richmond North of Richmond, he's really talking about the blob.
00:34:28.000 And he confirmed it in an interview with the Free Press.
00:34:30.000 He said, I'm singing about a lot of the older super conservative politicians that brought us into endless war through my entire childhood.
00:34:38.000 That's what he said.
00:34:39.000 So he's talking about the Dick Cheney types and the Donald Rumsfelds and the Mitch McDonald's.
00:34:44.000 That's who he's talking about.
00:34:46.000 And, you know, the question is, are we going to be a party of those sort of Bush era neocons?
00:34:52.000 And let's be clear, this is what Nikki Haley and Tim Scott and Mike Pence, they want to restore that.
00:34:59.000 They want a neocon restoration.
00:35:01.000 Are we going to be the party that appeals to an Oliver Anthony or to a Bryce Mitchell member, the MMA fighter, who said that I'm not going to fight in any of these politicians' wars?
00:35:11.000 If the war ever comes to my state of Arkansas, I will dig my boots into the ground and fight.
00:35:16.000 But I'm not going to fight for these politics.
00:35:17.000 Or are we a party that appropriates Oliver Anthony and ignores everything he talks about?
00:35:22.000 David Sachs, great commentary.
00:35:23.000 Check in his podcast, Allen Podcast.
00:35:25.000 Thank you so much for taking the time.
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