00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, the incredible Doug Mastriano, state senator from Pennsylvania, who has started a nationwide movement for state legislators to hold hearings and possibly withhold electors in this process of the obvious fraud and the theft of our election.
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00:02:31.000Well, you are one of the few state senators in both Pennsylvania and the country that have been speaking out about the voter fraud and the irregularities that are happening in our country.
00:02:41.000Just introduce yourself to our audience.
00:02:43.000Talk about what's happening in Pennsylvania, and then we'll go from there.
00:02:46.000So all I wanted to do all my life was be in the Army.
00:02:49.000I remember as young as five years old, sitting at the feet of my uncle Joe, who served on Patton's Third Army, and loved his stories like, you know, I owe my country something.
00:02:58.000I know this might sound a little bit red, white, and blue, but it is.
00:03:00.000So I served my country from almost my entire adult life, starting off in the Iron Curtain, East Germany, Czechoslovakian borders, Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait, and the many assignments and deployments to Afghanistan.
00:03:13.000And so about three years ago, it was time for me to retire and hit my mandatory retirement.
00:03:18.000And, you know, most colonels and generals, they take fade off instead of sunset, get that good, sweet federal job because there's a lot of credentials you have and you just ride off into the sunset.
00:03:30.000But we felt I was having a hard time leaving the Army, as you can imagine, since so much of me was wrapped up into my identity and everything that I've done.
00:03:39.000And I was really having a struggle with the realization that I was handing off to the next generation, my country, less good, less secure, less prosperous than how my dad's generation gave it to me.
00:04:00.000And as I was complaining, this one of many times, this young man who's about to interview me on the radio, he looked over at me, and I was a month away from retirement.
00:04:09.000He said, Colonel, do something about it.
00:04:12.000And I'm like, that really hit me to the quick because it's so easy to castigate, you know, politicians in Harrisburg or Washington, D.C., you know, all the cliches, they're all corrupt, you know, and all that nonsense.
00:04:33.000But in the end, God got me into the Senate seat.
00:04:37.000And little did I know, would I know a year and a half later that in that Senate seat that I'm fighting for the very life of a republic?
00:04:43.000When you have single-handedly changed the tone in our country, talk about what you are doing to fight to expose electoral voter fraud and just give our audience an understanding of the position that you are in in Pennsylvania.
00:05:00.000So I represent South Central Pennsylvania, which beautifully and ironically includes Gettysburg, the famous battlefield, of course, of 1863.
00:05:09.000And it is humbling to represent that entire historic area where there was a new birth of freedom fought for with 50,000 casualties.
00:05:17.000So we all went through the election, you know, and we had our ups and downs.
00:05:21.000And three weeks on, we're still hearing the left tell us basically sit down, shut up, accept the results, and move on.
00:05:28.000And I'm thinking back in 2000, you know, Bush v. Gore, we were told, be patient.
00:05:32.000There's a process, you know, one county, one state.
00:05:34.000And we're seeing allegations of extensive fraud in six states across the nation, and especially Pennsylvania of all places.
00:05:42.000And I'm like wondering, where is the media with their intellectual curiosity?
00:05:45.000Where are they going after and looking for eyewitnesses instead of saying they're not substantiated?
00:05:51.000And so finally, last Tuesday, I got together with some of my colleagues, especially Senator Argyll, and I said, we got a hold of a hearing.
00:06:00.000And my committee really is not quite a good fit for this kind of hearing.
00:06:05.000And I asked him to chair this on behalf of Pennsylvania.
00:06:08.000And let's bring in some good witnesses and let's just get the facts.
00:06:12.000And we had a three and a half hour hearing that was exposed to the entire world and it changed the entire mood and tide of the nation, ironically, in Gettysburg once again.
00:06:25.000And now we are seeing other states follow suit.
00:06:28.000We are seeing Arizona and we're seeing Michigan also start to call hearings.
00:06:34.000Can you talk about what happened in the hearing that was hosted just a week ago?
00:06:41.000What was discovered and what was discussed?
00:06:43.000And I want to get into some of the specifics here in Pennsylvania.
00:06:46.000So, of course, we had opening remarks from Mayor Giuliani, leading the defense team, which makes sense.
00:06:53.000Let them make their case because we had opening arguments two weeks ago, of course, publicly, but really not drilling down to the specificity of Pennsylvania and other states.
00:07:02.000And he laid out a pretty compelling and convincing case.
00:07:05.000And then following right behind him, and it was not witnesses I handpicked.
00:07:09.000I did not review the files, although they were thrown in front of me about 500 affidavits.
00:07:15.000I said, I just want to see some of the strongest witnesses and hear what they have to say.
00:07:19.000And it was a stunning tale of corruption, of eyewitnesses to voter fraud, of disenfranchisement, of suppression and violations of voting law.
00:07:28.000For instance, transparency is paramount to any republic.
00:07:32.000It might sound passe, but if democracy, you know, we're a republic, but I'll use the less term, democracy dies in darkness.
00:07:39.000That's the cliche they once used a couple years ago in the Washington Post.
00:07:42.000Yes, it can die in darkness when there's no transparency and accountability.
00:07:46.000So for instance, we had at least 700,000 votes that were processed in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh without a Republican in the room to make sure the votes were viable and legal.
00:08:00.000You know, we had one case where we had a data analyst, ironically, another retired army colonel, formerly with a top secret clearance as I had.
00:08:07.000And he looked at a similar case where about there was a couple surges of data dumps of ballots being dumped into a system.
00:08:14.000And he looked at two or three surges where it was about 600,000 votes.
00:08:17.000And about 570,000 of those went solely for Biden, which statistically is almost impossible.
00:08:24.000And you should have heard you gasp in a room when that data point came out.
00:08:34.000I know that it's quite notorious now, but can you just dive through some of just to walk us through, I should say, some of the specifics that were also discussed.
00:08:44.000And also, would a lot of the stuff have been revealed if it wasn't for the hearing?
00:09:18.000And I'll answer your question directly in a second.
00:09:20.000So I stepped in because obviously we're co-equal members of this government, although sometimes we don't act like it.
00:09:25.000But the General Assembly of the House has said it, we're co-equals together, of course, with the governor and the judicial branch.
00:09:30.000And we asked the governor to do something about the allegations.
00:09:33.000And since he's happy with the results, he said, nope, no evidence of fraud.
00:09:37.000I'm going to certify the election and move on.
00:09:39.000And his Secretary of State, Kathleen Bookvar, and of course, our governor is Tom Wolf.
00:09:44.000Never was a governor more appropriately named.
00:09:46.000And his Secretary of State was Kathleen Bookvar.
00:09:50.000And she echoed his comments: I'm going to certify the elections.
00:09:53.000And I don't believe there was substantial fraud or cheating.
00:09:57.000For anybody, if Republican or Democrat, just to write off allegations of fraud and abuse here, is sickening to me because I don't look at things with partisan eyes.
00:10:07.000And then finally, you think, what about our Attorney General, Josh Shapiro?
00:10:11.000He all but actually declared Biden the victor before one vote was counted.
00:10:15.000So within that framework of corruption and a lack of accountability, that's where I said we need to hold a hearing and find out what the heck happened and give the people of Pennsylvania a chance to hear this and let the chips fall where they may.
00:10:26.000So we had about 13 eyewitnesses come up because we couldn't get them all, obviously, but we hit 13 key witnesses.
00:10:34.000One of them, of course, was a poll watcher.
00:10:59.000And then finally, one of the gentlemen got into his face, was threatening to physically harm him.
00:11:05.000Of course, law enforcement was called and they're like, we're not coming.
00:11:08.000And so Republicans were pushed out from observing what was going on behind closed doors and like nothing bad to see here.
00:11:15.000In other cases, here, there's eyewitness accounts of lack of chain of custody, you know, bags and bags and pallet loads of ballots showing up there, and nobody knows from where they came.
00:11:25.000And so obviously, chain of custody is a big deal with any legal documents.
00:11:29.000And I mean, I don't know how much you want to dive in here, but there's all observers.
00:12:04.000And then, but of course, the hanging Chads, and there was a Republican and Democrat right there behind the guy, one cross-eyed guy trying to look at the Chads, whether it was a Bush or Gore vote.
00:12:13.000There was none, you would think that after such a painful lesson in 2000, 20 years ago, we'd have this nailed down.
00:12:20.000But the corruption's gotten out of control.
00:12:21.000And so there has been almost 700,000 ballots.
00:12:25.000There was no buddy from the other party there to make sure that the ballots received were legal votes, or were they just batched together and printed in some back room?
00:12:38.000Justin Queter, an attorney and also a campuser and observer in Philadelphia, he saw the Philadelphia Board of Elections processing hundreds of thousands of mail and ballots with zero civilian oversight.
00:12:51.000In other cases, we tried to bring in the owners of Dominion.
00:12:57.00014 of 67 Pennsylvania counties use Dominion machines, those infamous voting machines.
00:13:04.000And the morning of the hearing, my colleagues in the house were all good to go.
00:13:25.000Is there a way they can be programmed or reprogrammed or changed or the outcomes altered as we know they can be?
00:13:31.000So that's another piece of interesting information.
00:13:34.000It took three days, it took three days in Philadelphia for some ballot processing plants to allow back in observers.
00:13:45.000So observers were kicked out on election day, when election night when they started counting and they were told you can't come in.
00:13:51.000The Republicans went to a judge, a judge said you have to let them in, and they refused for 72 hours.
00:13:57.000And so when you wonder, when we went to bed late on the 3rd of November, when Trump was up 700,000 and the next day it was almost gone, that's how that happens in darkness without transparency or accountability or any oversight here because we have no idea what happened in that three-day window, especially in the case of Philadelphia.
00:14:15.000And there's also similar examples in, of course, Allegheny County, which is Pittsburgh.
00:14:21.000And our data analyst looked at the three spikes.
00:14:24.000I'm going to get into details on that.
00:14:26.000So he said, out of 600,000 votes dumped into a machine, it was three spikes, I believe it was.
00:14:33.000He said 570,000 of those went for Biden and the remaining 32,000 for Trump.
00:15:20.000This is the kind of stuff that you hear about, you know, in Belarus under Lufashenko or Putin's Russia or Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
00:15:26.000But this was America, Pennsylvania, of all places.
00:15:30.000Elizabeth Priyada Heavy, she's from Montgomery County.
00:15:35.000She was told that she could not review mail and balance.
00:15:38.000She could not look at them as they're being dropped and counted, really.
00:15:42.000So we had no idea if they were duplicates, if they had a proper date on them, if there was a stamp on them, if they were filled out correctly.
00:15:51.000And so this is why you see this, this magnificent, magical, miraculous turn of voting overnight against the president.
00:15:58.000And there's a similar testimony on and on.
00:16:01.000And I'm befuddled here that our governor and our leadership and his administration would stand aside and say, there's nothing to see here.
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00:17:20.000Compared to prior elections, is this an unusual amount of irregularities?
00:17:26.000Meaning you've seen plenty of elections in Pennsylvania in 2016 and 2018.
00:17:31.000Was there an outpouring amount of this sort of behavior in previous elections?
00:17:36.000Yeah, and in your previous interview with Trafalgar Group, remember he told you that Trump needed a 3% or 4% lead here to overcome the fraud in Pennsylvania.
00:17:46.000So it's a darn shame that we've come to the point that in Pennsylvania, we accept there's a 3% or 4% amount of fraud.
00:17:54.000But I believe that this is exceptionally higher because they had no idea that President Trump was going to do so well in the state, which explains the reset in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia when they stopped counting.
00:18:04.000And a few hours later, suddenly there's a surge of votes that come in for Biden.
00:18:08.000And so I think this overreaction by whoever was responsible for this has exposed a great level of deceit and cheating here.
00:18:17.000And so it's going to really be up in the end up to the Trump legal team here to make the case before the Supreme Court.
00:18:23.000And Charlie, the reason why I say that, we have a 1994 precedent.
00:18:27.000You might not be aware of this, but in 1994, a Democrat state senator died in office out of Philly, and there was a special election.
00:18:36.000And in that area of the state, it's a foregone conclusion that the Democrat can win, you know, without any cheating.
00:18:41.000But they couldn't help themselves because the majority in the Senate was at stake.
00:18:46.000So they went above and beyond a call of duty to make sure this guy won overwhelmingly.
00:18:52.000Anyway, the Democrat won overwhelmingly.
00:18:55.000And his name was Stinson, sworn into office.
00:18:59.000The Republican who lost the seat in the Senate, Marks, M-A-R-K-S, he did a lawsuit and he demonstrated extensive fraud and cheating.
00:19:07.000It was so bad that a federal district judge in 1994 removed the Democrat senator from office, put in the Republican who lost because he said the results were beyond so much corruption and deceit that there was no way to determine who the real winner was, but it was obviously rigged against the Republican.
00:19:25.000And so that was upheld by the Third Circuit in 1994.
00:19:28.000So if the Trump legal team can make such a similar case of similar extensive abuse and fraud, we do have an example where the U.S. Supreme Court has a precedent.
00:19:38.000They may have to throw out the results in certain parts of the state.
00:20:37.000And if this data dump alone of truckloads of ballots showing up around the state here and drivers being told to leave their trailers behind, that alone could turn the outcome of the election.
00:20:48.000Because as it stands right now, of course, Biden has 81,000 lead.
00:20:52.000And they're talking about hundreds of thousands of ballots in the back of these trucks here.
00:20:55.000So this alone is earthshaking in addition to all the facts I just went over with you and many more.
00:21:19.000Because people are growing increasingly frustrated with what they see.
00:21:23.000Yeah, so obviously there's several prongs here.
00:21:26.000And I will restate the most important prong, of course, is having a ruling and judgment in the U.S. Supreme Court that the evidence is overwhelming from the Trump team.
00:21:35.000And yes, there was fraud at a great level in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh that compromised the election.
00:21:40.000Okay, now back on me, the General Assembly, the House and Senate.
00:21:43.000So the House and Senate, we sadly live underneath some very large Byzantine rules.
00:21:50.000Our session, our term expired last night, 11 p.m.
00:21:53.000And we're scrambling with our leadership, trying to figure out our way constitutionally how we get the new body in, which is actually a better thing because we have more Republicans.
00:22:33.000The treasurer and the inspector general, which is fantastic.
00:22:37.000Like I said, we haven't had those since 30, 40 years.
00:22:40.000But of course, Trump doesn't win, though, but we pick up seats everywhere else.
00:22:44.000But as far as the legislator, we got to get back in session.
00:22:47.000And we need to move to nullify the certification from our Secretary of State.
00:22:52.000And then we need to exercise of the U.S. Constitution, of course, Article 212, which says that the state legislators are the final say on the electors that are selected.
00:23:03.000Sadly, in Pennsylvania, in 1878, 1938, they delegated the powers over to the Secretary of State and the governor's office by default, saying whoever won the popular vote will pick the electors.
00:23:14.000Why a General Assembly would hand their powers over to the governor's office, who already has a lot of power, defies reason here.
00:23:20.000So we have to look at a way and how do you suspend that law?
00:23:24.000And we do have the power of articles of suspension.
00:23:27.000We can, with a simple majority, suspend a law for a specific purpose.
00:23:32.000So we need to get back in and then suspend that law and then pick our own electors.
00:23:37.000Of course, you're going to see a similar case to what happened in Florida 2000 where you have a set of Democrat and Republican electors and then a Supreme Court's going to have to decide which ones go forth.
00:23:45.000That's exactly what we want to happen.
00:23:47.000We want to have the constitutional crisis for the judge, for a judge, or the judges, of course, in the Supreme Court come forth and say, yes, here's what we determined needs to happen.
00:24:27.000So apparently, overwhelmingly, there was only time to fill in one circle on the ballots, and it was for the president of the United States for Biden.
00:24:48.000Yeah, we picked up seats all over the state in the House and said it.
00:24:52.000And thankfully, there's still one seat being recounted outside of Pittsburgh, but they knocked out one Pittsburgh, Allegheny County senator that she did quite well actually in her primary.
00:25:05.000I didn't think they could knock her out.
00:25:06.000So this just shows you if it's a free and fair election, the people might have a say that the rest of the folks didn't count on.
00:25:12.000So Sean Parnell is a great American, and he has some similar complaints that he has been voicing.
00:25:19.000Are you aware of Sean Parnell's case or what he's been actually fighting for in Western Pennsylvania at this moment?
00:26:13.000So we had no idea when they were mailed.
00:26:15.000And then they could be received and counted up to three days after the election.
00:26:19.000So you just see this entire law has caused a cataclysm in Pennsylvania.
00:26:24.000And I believe of the six law legal cases the Trump team has around the nation, their case against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is the strongest because the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which is five to seven Democrat, rewrote, they did our job.
00:26:41.000So the issue right now is convening that special assembly or possibly getting new members seated.
00:26:48.000And you're saying that it is going to take some action from the U.S. Supreme Court to try to help make this more possible from a legal standpoint.
00:26:58.000I just want our viewers to know what the steps are and what possibly their involvement should be and where they should focus their efforts and their attention.
00:27:08.000So just for clarity's sake, there's two prongs.
00:27:11.000We have, of course, the judicial side and then the legislative side.
00:27:15.000And of course, I talked about, I think, pretty clearly what the Trump team needs to do as far as making a case for us to convene a special session.
00:27:23.000We have to ask the governor to call for it.
00:27:25.000And obviously, he has his hand in a cookie jar.
00:27:28.000He's not going to approve it for what we want to do to review election fraud and corruption.
00:27:33.000And so we're going to have to find a way to suspend existing law to bring ourselves in session to have the new legislative body sworn in, which won't be sworn in until the first of the year, sadly.
00:27:47.000I was on the phone last night with our Senate leadership trying to find a way to maneuver through this whole process here.
00:27:53.000And I don't know that we have a clear path ahead, but I'm clearly not going to give up on this ankle because we have a job to do and we are in a national crisis and we have to figure out a way to through this Byzantine process here to do our due diligence and our job.
00:28:06.000Yeah, the concern is that many years ago, these state legislatures gave up their power really kind of recklessly, I think.
00:28:18.000And because now we have seen an erosion of what you can do.
00:28:24.000You should be able to have the power to seat different electors or have no confidence.
00:28:29.000It's almost as if they put forward a system that in no way whatsoever could have a check on fraud.
00:28:40.000You know, the people of my state here feel like they've been cheated and they feel very helpless.
00:28:44.000And at times I do feel that way as well, you know, because you look around here and you're thinking who's in charge, who in their right mind would take an entire body of the government and put us out of work for a month every two years.
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00:30:10.000So, can you talk more about your faith and how that engages what you're doing in politics and also talk about your work overseas and how you've seen this sort of election fraud before?
00:30:20.000You mentioned that briefly, but I think that would be really helpful for our listeners and our viewers.
00:30:24.000Yeah, so you know, Charlie, I think one of the verses that we live by is: whatever you do in word and deed, do it as unto the Lord, right?
00:30:30.000So, whatever you put your hands to, you know, whether it was Doug Mastery on or when he was a janitor as a young man or as a colonel or as a senator, you do the best you can with the position God has given you.
00:30:41.000And he says, if you're faithful in small things, make you faithful on large things.
00:30:45.000And I do remember, I'm very well-grounded because I remember, you know, I had about 100 toilets to clean every night.
00:30:51.000And I remember the guys in the suits coming in and looking down at me like, yeah, look, look at you.
00:31:39.000And so, you know, of course, Jesus said, in this world, you'll have tribulation.
00:31:42.000And although not enjoyable, it does sharpen you.
00:31:45.000It does build resolve and determination.
00:31:48.000So here I am, you know, enjoyed a long career in the army and had a good time doing what I was doing, but you know, not without a lot of sacrifice and what have you.
00:31:59.000And so now here we are standing on the precipice here of our republic and wondering if it can long last.
00:32:05.000And I do take warnings and encouragement from our founding fathers.
00:32:10.000And, you know, as you know so well, of course, Benjamin Franklin in Philadelphia, 1787, coming out of the Constitutional Congress, done in secrecy.
00:32:18.000The people didn't know what was going on, but he comes out of Carpenter's Hall and there's a Mrs. Powell there, and she kind of ambushes him.
00:32:25.000We samaya said she knows him personally.
00:32:28.000She runs up to him and says, you know, almost in his face, well, Mr. Franklin, what do we have?
00:32:55.000And can you talk about your experience dealing with other countries and elections similar to this?
00:33:02.000And you see this kind of pattern that is now re-emerging?
00:33:05.000So, you know, it's a bit intriguing to me because I started off my career, of course, studying the Soviet Union, being an army intelligence officer with the cavalry, and then, of course, working my way up through as a colonel as a senior intelligence officer within NATO, NATO land headquarters in Highlander, Germany.
00:33:20.000So we spent 12 years out of the country.
00:33:23.000I've had several deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and also supported the missions in the Balkans and the Baltics up by the Russian border and by Poland, Estonia, Lapi, Lithuania.
00:33:34.000In the Balkans, of course, the United Nations, they had their great civil war.
00:34:33.000And then when you voted in Afghanistan, also in Iraq, we had people dip their finger in an ink well and they had an ink stained finger for a day.
00:34:43.000We found out later that was a bad idea because Taliban looked for people with the ink paint stinger, of course, and murdered them.
00:34:49.000So I don't advocate what happened next, but let me show you the lengths that we've gone to ensure free and fair elections in a country devastated by war and conflict since 1979, since the Soviet invasion and all that followed in Afghanistan.
00:35:03.000Third world war-torn country, you know, devastated by atrocities, and their elections are more reliable than Pennsylvania.
00:35:10.000A German firm brought in retinal and facial and bio scans, and they'd register people with IDs and put them in a database and then one person, one vote.
00:35:21.000And we can't in Pennsylvania have even a semblance of a free, fair election where one person, one legal vote is happening.
00:35:29.000Why do we move heaven and earth on the four corners of the earth that ensure safe and fair elections where every vote counts legal vote, one person, one legal vote, as opposed to what happens in Pennsylvania here, where we have no idea what happened and we have all these eyewitness accounts of shenanigans.
00:35:44.000It sounds like a third world backborder country or a tinpot dictator like in Belarus.
00:35:49.000Yeah, and this is the same sort of playbook where they delay the reporting of the elections, where they cover up all the evidence.
00:35:57.000They don't allow people to be investigated.
00:35:59.000And also, something that is done in those countries, they have fake polls leading into them to try to mislead people so that when the result that they're actually manufacturing ends up occurring, people say, oh, well, it must be true because all the polls said it was going to be true.
00:36:13.000The issue with their theft in this election is that none of the other state, local, and other elections correlate with what they did.
00:36:21.000This looks like they were doing this so quickly, so last minute, that it just exposed it even further.
00:37:00.000And that you can imagine if Biden could sweep Trump in the state where I would draw, now these are one-offs and these are vignettes, but driving across my state here, we'd see two, 300 Trump flags or Trump signs and maybe one Biden flag or sign.
00:37:13.000And so all the antidotal evidence was like, wow, there's a huge movement here.
00:37:40.000What can they actually do to make a tangible difference at this point?
00:37:44.000Yeah, so the best bet is people in Pennsylvania contact your representatives and contact your state senators and ask them what they're going to do about this election and the fraud.
00:37:54.000And are they going to try their darnest to get us back into saddle here in December so we can have a say on which electors are selected?
00:38:01.000Look, we don't want to have our hand on the scale.
00:38:04.000And if the election was so corrupted and broken by shenanigans, which seems to be ample evidence of that, and if it's borne out by the Supreme Court, we need to do our jobs.
00:38:12.000We got a job to do and we can't stand aside.
00:39:40.000That none should perish, but all should come to salvation.
00:39:43.000So it's not his will for cheating corruption to happen in Pennsylvania.
00:39:47.000It's not his will that there was a Holocaust.
00:39:48.000It's not his will that there are dictators killing people.
00:39:52.000It's not his will that abortion exists.
00:39:54.000But bad things happen when men and women stand aside.
00:39:57.000We look at Esther when she has her call, of course, and she gets a letter from Mordecai and basically says, you know, don't think because you're in the king's palace, Queen Esther, that you'll escape this.
00:40:59.000God did raise up the deliver from elsewhere.
00:41:01.000It's called the United States Army, but it's going to take us 10 years to get there.
00:41:05.000So if we get the call to run for governor, we're going to do it and we're going to do it to win it.
00:41:09.000But we're going to need a grassroots movement because I'm not sure that the establishment and all the other folks out there would like some patriot like me who they can't control, who rather serve the people than serve political interests.