00:00:06.000Jason Schaffetz has a new book, The Puppeteers, that makes an argument that they want to make elections irrelevant with a permanent administrative state.
00:00:15.000Then we have JD Vance, who I think hits it perfectly as well, senator from the great state of Ohio.
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00:01:35.000With us now is Jason Schaffetz, author of an important new book, The Puppeteers, the People Who Control the People Who Control America, a very important topic.
00:01:53.000Wrote it because oftentimes the people in Congress, they're fighting the wrong fights.
00:01:58.000The puppeteers, they're the ones that control the people who control what's going on in D.C.
00:02:04.000And not only is it the administrative bureaucratic state, but I got to tell you, there are people all over the place that are in positions of power that, you know, they can use their resources, they can use their money, their power, their influence.
00:02:20.000And we're talking, we do, we name names and we show the money.
00:02:24.000Everybody from Brian Deese and Susan Rice and BlackRock and what they're doing to the state treasurers, Randy Weingarten at the teachers union, they have much more of an effect on education in this country than the Secretary of Education.
00:02:54.000Does the president control the government or does the government control the president?
00:02:59.000Jason, which one is truer in today's time?
00:03:06.000A quick story I tell about in the book about the B team, where members of Congress, a member of Congress goes to meet with a cabinet secretary.
00:03:59.000In fact, we talk about the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that was set up with the Obama administration, not funded by Congress, not accountable to Congress.
00:04:27.000Or is there some sort of a shadow, mysterious class that is calling the shots?
00:04:34.000And the administrative state is obviously front and center in everyone's mind because we have this Department of Justice that basically wants to tell you how an election should go without you, the people, being able to vote.
00:06:50.000So we have public policy that is being removed from the typical channels that the founders envisioned, which is the people elect representatives.
00:07:01.000But now we have all these other extra governmental power centers, both inside and outside government.
00:07:35.000And so, again, you got to peel it back and follow the flow of money.
00:07:39.000And then I see Republicans in Congress, of which I used to be one, fighting over these bills that are going nowhere and don't actually change the trajectory.
00:07:48.000Democrats want to put the economy and the government on autopilot.
00:07:54.000So they're not, you know, these elections don't really matter as much to them.
00:08:02.000They want elections to be personality contests and performative, where the actual decision-making process is permanent by an immovable philosopher king class.
00:08:13.000I think you've identified this perfectly, Jason.
00:08:15.000So let's just go back into the history of this.
00:08:17.000And it's okay if it's a mixture of both.
00:09:20.000But basically, he's leveraging physical facilities and 2.2 million federal employees to get out the vote.
00:09:26.000When they recognize that they could actually get away with that and get around some of the other laws that were on the books, then they really went to town.
00:09:34.000So I would argue that government got too big.
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00:13:01.000So, Jason, I want to talk more about the book.
00:13:03.000What do you think are the solutions to these issues?
00:13:06.000So, the solutions are really found at the states.
00:13:09.000First of all, you got to starve the beast, okay?
00:13:11.000Congress, if they're going to do their job, they got to starve the beast.
00:13:14.000And they got to take on the mandatory programmatic spending.
00:13:18.000I understand Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, but there are hundreds of other programs that are on that automatic programmatic spending category that never get touched by Congress.
00:13:29.000And they only debate about 10% of them.
00:13:32.000But the second thing is, you really have to do things at the states.
00:13:35.000State treasurers, state attorneys general, they have the power to actually do a lot of these things, enforce the issues.
00:13:43.000And so, federalism is still the issue.
00:13:45.000It is still the way that you can actually solve this problem.
00:13:48.000The state attorneys general could be yanking people up, they could be making the changes, and the states can say no to what these feds are trying to do.
00:13:57.000Yeah, the states really are the solution.
00:14:24.000And, you know, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Justice, said that white supremacy is the number one threat to the United States of America.
00:14:36.000I mean, we point out how they do the statistics, what statistics they look at.
00:14:41.000If there's some, you know, white supremacy that's going on that demands law enforcement, hey, go do that.
00:14:48.000But it's not really the number one thing out there.
00:14:50.000There's a reason why the Southern Poverty Law Center and these others try to target these groups because then it justifies them to use police powers.
00:14:58.000Like facial recognition is one thing I talk about.
00:15:02.000I held hearings about this when I was in Congress.
00:15:04.000The FBI, despite the law, and I want to be clear about that, despite the law, has been collecting Americans' facial recognition for a long time now.
00:15:15.000And when you go to get your driver's license, why should a 16-year-old suddenly be in the FBI database?
00:15:21.000I mean, there's a reason why we don't collect your DNA and your fingerprints when you're born, because that would be wholly intrusive and absolutely fundamentally wrong.
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00:19:02.000It hurts our ability to do that if we live broadcast what we fully expect in advance to be a litany of lies and false accusations, no matter who says them.
00:19:33.000And the more you recognize and realize the philosophy of the contagion that came into power with Woodrow Wilson versus the promise of the founder, do you believe the people should be able to have information, the people to be able to make decisions?
00:19:46.000Or do you want a council of experts, unelected experts, that get to decide for you what is best for you?
00:19:53.000A Pulit Bureau of committees, a ruling of administration of whether or not you have to take a vaccine, of what food you get to eat, of are they actually your kids?
00:20:05.000Rachel Maddow believes the same thing where she says, yeah, we're not going to let you view this.
00:20:10.000PBS, when it gets, when Donald Trump is speaking, has disclaimers on the bottom as if we're listening to Saddam Hussein.
00:20:18.000Play Cut 40, Jake Tapper believes the same thing, play cut 40.
00:20:22.000We do have now some of the sound, as I told you, we're not, and the audience, we're not carrying his remarks live because frankly, he says a lot of things that are not true and sometimes potentially dangerous.
00:22:02.000And she set up this private server and this whole conduit.
00:22:05.000Not to mention the crux of the Trump indictment has several layers to it.
00:22:13.000It's a 50-50 chance on the Presidential Records Act.
00:22:16.000And if he has a good legal team, I think he'll be okay.
00:22:18.000The bigger issue that he's going to, and again, they overcharged for a reason, obviously, throw everything against the walls, 206, is the obstruction of justice issue, is the process issue.
00:22:29.000Even though justice was not obstructed and they got all their documents back, even though Donald Trump wasn't selling these documents to the Saudis or the Iranians or faxing them to the Kremlin in exchange for wire transfers, of which is the essence of the Espionage Act.
00:22:42.000Like, hey, you've classified information, you give it to the enemy for cash, money, favor, or to hate your country, then, okay, that's what the Espionage Act was supposed to be there for, antiquated law, not applied equally.
00:22:54.000Instead, the government gets all their documents back.
00:22:59.000But the issue that Donald Trump, President Trump, is going to have to fight more than any other issue is the obstruction issue.
00:23:10.000That one's going to be tough because when the government, when the government alleges that, the standard is very, very subjective.
00:23:24.000They're allegedly saying obstruction based on things he said privately to his lawyers.
00:23:30.000That alone should be dismissed, that they can lift the attorney-client veil.
00:23:36.000Hey, if we were able to lift the attorney client veil of Andrew McCabe talking to his lawyers or James Comey talking to his lawyers or Hillary Clinton talking to her lawyers, what would we get?
00:23:49.000Well, joining us now is Senator JD Vance.
00:23:56.000Yeah, the basic idea, Charlie, is that Merrick Garland is using the political appointments of the Department of Justice as foot soldiers in a war of politics instead of a law enforcement agency.
00:24:07.000That's exactly what he's turned the Department of Justice into.
00:24:10.000And so what we've decided to do is use the authority that the people of Ohio gave me as a United States Senator and use that to gum up the works a little bit and to say to Merrick Garland that we're going to hold the nominations that you have to the Department of Justice until you commit your agency to the job of law enforcement and criminal prosecution, not of politics.
00:24:41.000They recognize we can't stop everything.
00:24:43.000We can't stop every nominee, but we can at least make it a little bit harder for Merrick Garland to use the government agencies to go after his political opponents.
00:24:53.000That's exactly what we're trying to do.
00:24:55.000Charlie, I heard some of your commentary sort of in the lead into this.
00:24:59.000And I just want to echo something that sort of I think is getting missed in a lot of the conservative commentary on this particular indictment.
00:25:06.000There's a whole lot of argument that, yes, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton committed the same alleged wrongdoing as Donald Trump.
00:25:13.000I think that grants way too much to the other side's argument here.
00:25:17.000They did not do the same thing that Donald Trump did because they didn't have declassification authority.
00:25:23.000The fundamental issue here, Charlie, is who controls the documents that's produced by our government?
00:25:30.000Who controls the information that flows through the executive department of our government?
00:25:35.000Is it the permanent unelected bureaucracy or is it the people's elected president?
00:25:39.000Because if it's not the people's elected president, Article 2 of the Constitution is meaningless, and we do not have a real Republican form of government.
00:25:47.000We have an oligarchy controlled by the deep state.
00:25:50.000That is the real issue with this case.
00:25:53.000The deep state is jealously guarding its own documents.
00:25:56.000When those documents don't belong to them, they don't belong to anybody except for the American people through their elected president.
00:26:04.000This is the best point, and this is how much I've missed Tucker.
00:26:06.000I mean, it's just when you see an expert, you see an expert.
00:26:10.000So Tucker last night has, you know, I do this for a living and I'm still learning how to do it.
00:26:15.000And when I listen to Tucker, I say, oh, my goodness, how did I not think about that?
00:26:18.000Because he just makes the points that are so obvious where Tucker broadens it.
00:26:22.000He says, everything's classified in D.C. Like, of course, right?
00:26:25.000I mean, memos about Flag Day or Arbor Day, they overclassify everything because they do believe in a secret gnosis or a secret knowledge or a secret cabal.
00:26:35.000And then they're able to broaden those statutes to, of course, not enforce the classified document mishandling against their friends.
00:26:43.000But if anybody they don't like comes in contact with the document, then of course Tucker goes on with this brilliant point.
00:26:48.000You're trying to tell me Dick Cheney, you know, at Thanksgiving dinner wasn't talking about D. Of course he was.
00:26:53.000I mean, you're trying to tell me that on his way to or from work, Bill Barr wasn't reading documents in the car.
00:26:59.000These are all violations of the Espionage Act.
00:27:01.000JD Vance, I think Tucker made the most important point, which is the essence of the thing, is that how dare you challenge the permanent administrative state?
00:27:09.000That's exactly what's going on here, Charlie.
00:27:10.000And let's take this from the level of abstraction to sort of just throw out a hypothetical.
00:27:15.000Let's say that there are documents that show conclusively the role of the deep state in the Russia collusion hoax, which of course tried to take down the presidency of Donald Trump, had our entire government and media complex obsessed with a totally fake issue for a couple of years instead of solving the American people's problems.
00:27:34.000What those documents might show is one, the exoneration of Donald Trump, but two, the deep corruption of our own administrative state.
00:27:43.000Who do you want to control those documents?
00:27:45.000The very people whose conduct they impugn, whose conduct they show was illegal?
00:27:50.000Or do you want the elected president to be able to stay to hold on to this stuff, to take it back to his house after he leaves office and to make a political issue out of it?
00:28:01.000The craziest thing here, Charlie, is: look, you know, I'm a Trump guy.
00:29:03.000I just say, look, the founders created a powerful president of the United States, a president limited, of course, by certain things in the Constitution, limited in his power to declare war, limited in his power to levy taxes.
00:29:15.000We didn't want a dictator or a king, but they wanted a robust sovereign at the head of the federal government.
00:29:22.000What the deep state is trying to do is destroy the people's elected presidency, not just for Donald Trump or his voters, but for all time.
00:29:31.000If we don't stop this, Charlie, if we allow him to go to prison for declassifying documents, we're talking about paperwork here.
00:29:40.000We're going to throw Donald Trump in jail for that.
00:29:42.000If we allow that to happen, we have the end of the Constitutional Republic in this country.
00:29:47.000They want to go more towards a parliamentarian system where the president is an attaché to the deep state, not a representative to the people.
00:30:05.000The question of it really goes down to who is in charge.
00:30:09.000And one of the reasons why they hate Donald Trump is that the ordinary person has a greater say in the business and the inner workings of our government than ever before, especially when it comes to challenging the neoliberal, neoconservative regime.
00:30:30.000Tucker Carlson pinpointed this perfectly in his latest video, which I think was his best video.
00:30:36.000It's play cut 45 of a short piece of tape of Tucker.
00:30:40.000Boy, his voice totally needed 75 million views so far.
00:30:46.000Whatever else you say about him, Trump is the one guy with an actual shot at becoming president who dissents from Washington's long-standing pointless war agenda.
00:30:55.000And for that, that one fact, they're trying to take Trump out before you can vote for him.
00:31:01.000And that should upset me more than anything that's happened in American politics in your lifetime.
00:31:06.000They want to take him out before you have an opportunity to vote.
00:31:11.000Woodrow Wilson is the father of this belief.
00:31:15.000Remember, he said, voting allows ourselves to believe in too much error.
00:31:21.000In fact, Woodrow Wilson said, I want to get the exact quote here: government is not a machine.