The Charlie Kirk Show - The Perilous Fight with Dr. Ben Carson

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00:03:20.000 Joining us this hour is an amazing American patriot, a wonderful man, an honorable man, a virtuous one, one that, boy, we deserve leaders like him.

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00:03:37.000 Dr. Carson joins us for this hour, author of The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture, Culture's War on the American Family.

00:03:45.000 Lots to discuss.

00:03:46.000 Dr. Carson, welcome back to the program.

00:03:48.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:03:49.000 It's always good to be with you.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, and Dr. Carson, I just want to say you served through the whole Trump administration.

00:03:55.000 You did a wonderful job.

00:03:56.000 There was no controversy.

00:03:58.000 There was never any issues at all.

00:04:00.000 I wish we had 19 cabinet secretaries like that.

00:04:02.000 And you're just a wonderful man and honored to call you a friend.

00:04:05.000 As a side note, you've also been selling out arenas and rooms at Turning Point USA on campus doing our campus deal with the Cornerstone Institute.

00:04:15.000 But first, tell us about your book, Dr. Carson.

00:04:18.000 Well, you know, recognizing that our country was moving in a very dark direction, I was quite concerned.

00:04:26.000 And I thought about who our enemies are and what they want to do.

00:04:31.000 They'd like to overcome our country and impose their Marxist ideology.

00:04:37.000 However, we're much too strong to be overcome militarily.

00:04:41.000 We can, however, be overcome from within.

00:04:45.000 Dividing us, divide and conquer is their theory, and it works extremely well. 1.00

00:04:51.000 And what do you have to really get to?

00:04:54.000 You have to get to the foundation.

00:04:56.000 What is the foundation of our strength, of our values, and our principles?

00:05:00.000 It is the family, the very thing that's been under attack so much.

00:05:06.000 And interestingly enough, you go back to the congressional record, January 10, 1963, and look at the 45 goals of communism in this country.

00:05:20.000 And you see everything that's happening today, including the student rioting, the taking over of the public school system, taking over of the media, of Hollywood, infiltrating all of our important media so you can influence the thinking of the people in America.

00:05:45.000 And it's working.

00:05:47.000 And unless people actually recognize what's happening to them, they'll continue to be manipulated into believing that we're all each other's enemies.

00:05:56.000 We're not each other's enemies.

00:05:58.000 I have an acrostic that I use, W-A-N-E. 0.98

00:06:02.000 We are not enemies.

00:06:05.000 But they've divided us on the basis of race, age, income, gender, religion, political affiliation.

00:06:13.000 And they made us think that we're enemies so that we can fight each other and destroy ourselves while they sit there and laugh and reap the benefits of the spoils of that war.

00:06:26.000 We're smarter than that.

00:06:27.000 This is America.

00:06:30.000 And we have to fortify ourselves.

00:06:33.000 The family, the whole formation of families has fallen to the wayside.

00:06:40.000 Our birth rates are incredibly small.

00:06:42.000 By the way, congratulations.

00:06:44.000 I understand you have a new Kirk.

00:06:46.000 Thank you.

00:06:46.000 Very glad.

00:06:47.000 That's right.

00:06:48.000 We're doing our best, Dr. Carson, to reverse the fertility crisis in the West.

00:06:53.000 We need a lot more.

00:06:55.000 So keep going.

00:06:57.000 I don't know if you know Terry Schilling, the American principal.

00:07:02.000 He's got what, seven or eight now?

00:07:04.000 He's got seven now.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 He just had another one.

00:07:08.000 But, you know, the families are not forming.

00:07:11.000 When they do form, you know, we have the no-fault divorce and all these things that rapidly disintegrate the families.

00:07:19.000 We have the television shows, particularly the sitcoms, making the man seem like some kind of adult.

00:07:26.000 And the woman always has to come and figure out how to clean the mess up. 1.00

00:07:32.000 The men might not even be necessary. 0.92

00:07:36.000 You saw what happened to the Kansas City football player who just mentioned traditional families and traditional values.

00:07:46.000 And he was just blistered for saying that.

00:07:50.000 And a lot of people believe it, but they're afraid to say anything.

00:07:54.000 They'd rather stand in the corner and look at their shoes and hope no one calls them a nasty name.

00:07:58.000 This is what we have to get over.

00:08:01.000 And this is something that I emphasize in the book.

00:08:04.000 Unless you're willing to stand up for what you believe in, you're going to lose in the long run.

00:08:10.000 And we all have influence, we all have spheres of influence.

00:08:14.000 And even if we are persecuted, what is that against the backdrop of eternity?

00:08:21.000 That's exactly right.

00:08:22.000 So, Dr. Carson, I want to get into some of the numbers here.

00:08:25.000 You say in the book, you dive into the data of exactly the breakdown of the family, the effects on our society.

00:08:33.000 So, give us some of the hard numbers and hard data.

00:08:36.000 Well, when you look at what happens to children, for instance, who are raised in a traditional two-parent family, the number of people involved in the just juvenile justice and adult justice system is double for those who come from non-traditional families.

00:08:57.000 Think about that.

00:08:59.000 The number who are successful are double when they grow up in a traditional family.

00:09:08.000 You know, those are very substantial statistical markers.

00:09:13.000 And what we have to really start doing when we have these discussions is actually putting the facts on the table.

00:09:21.000 You know, what percentage of people from this group versus what percentage of people from this group are successful?

00:09:29.000 What about mental illness and suicide?

00:09:32.000 Same kind of thing, almost double the rate when they come from non-traditional families. 0.52

00:09:37.000 Now, this is not to say that non-traditional families can't be successful.

00:09:43.000 I came from a non-traditional family.

00:09:44.000 You know, my parents were divorced early on, and I had just the most amazing mother anybody could imagine.

00:09:51.000 I think if everybody had my mother, we'd have no problems, but that's not the case, obviously.

00:09:58.000 And we need to ask ourselves: why is it that the model that God established for the family works so well?

00:10:09.000 And why is it that it doesn't work when we destroy that model?

00:10:14.000 Those are things that are put on the table when you have an intelligent discussion, as opposed to one that is just driven by ideology.

00:10:25.000 Also, in terms of where do the values come from, where do people get their values?

00:10:32.000 You learn in your family that there are other people beside yourself, and you learn how to respect other people's opinions.

00:10:41.000 You learn how to respect other people's property.

00:10:45.000 You learn the difference between right and wrong.

00:10:48.000 You understand that there is a right and a wrong, not your right and my right, and you're wrong and my wrong, not your truth and my truth.

00:10:59.000 There is the truth.

00:11:00.000 Those are the kinds of things that fortify you against the kind of propaganda that you're going to be facing when you go out into the world, when you go out to colleges and universities.

00:11:13.000 And we're seeing the fruits of that right now.

00:11:15.000 So many of those young people totally not grounded.

00:11:20.000 And it's sort of like a leaf blowing in the wind, whichever direction the wind is blowing, that's the way that they go.

00:11:28.000 Without having any idea what they're protesting about, without realizing the absolute savagery and brutality of Hamas, they're holding up their flags.

00:11:42.000 And it's almost incomprehensible.

00:11:47.000 But this is what happens when people are indoctrinated.

00:11:51.000 And that's why the Marxists try so hard to get into our schools early on and to influence their children early on.

00:12:00.000 As Vladimir Lenin said, giving your children to teach for four years in the seed that I sow will never be uprooted.

00:12:07.000 And it's absolutely true.

00:12:09.000 You can't undo a lot of stuff.

00:12:12.000 So we have to be very aggressive in terms of making sure that we teach our children the right things.

00:12:21.000 And I'm not saying that we shouldn't talk about the bad things that have happened in America.

00:12:25.000 There's good, there's bad, and there's ugly.

00:12:28.000 But there's a heck of a lot more good than there is bad and ugly.

00:12:32.000 So, you know, we don't have to just sit there and let the critical race theory and the 16, 19 people go unopposed into our schools.

00:12:45.000 So Dr. Carson, why do you think the fertility rates have gone down so dramatically in the West?

00:12:51.000 Well, for one thing, people aren't getting married.

00:12:55.000 And when they do get married, they're getting married much later at a time when they're not quite as fertile as they might have been earlier.

00:13:05.000 And also, singlehood versus motherhood is being pushed by Hollywood and the general media.

00:13:16.000 It's a good thing. 0.96

00:13:17.000 You don't need to be married. 0.99

00:13:18.000 You don't need to have babies. 1.00

00:13:22.000 In fact, that could harm the environment. 0.85

00:13:26.000 We have just crazy stuff being propagated throughout our society.

00:13:32.000 And I think people are falling victim to it, unfortunately.

00:13:37.000 But there is always hope.

00:13:41.000 And what we have to do is not give up and make sure that we continue to push the narrative of what a wonderful thing it is to, in fact, have a family.

00:13:55.000 You know, you have children, what an incredible joy it is when you go home and you see them and they're so excited to see you.

00:14:04.000 And you get a chance to instill into them some of the real values and principles that made this into a great nation.

00:14:12.000 That's what it's all about.

00:14:13.000 And unfortunately, just last week, when the Kansas City kicker, Butkin, I think his name is.

00:14:26.000 Butker.

00:14:27.000 Harrison Butker.

00:14:29.000 Just talked about traditional families and how wonderful a privilege it is to have a family and to raise children and to be in unit.

00:14:41.000 And he was just savagely attacked.

00:14:43.000 He didn't say anything about there was anything wrong with women getting college degrees and pursuing a career.

00:14:50.000 He just talked about how wonderful it is to have the privilege of raising a family.

00:14:56.000 And that is something that is under attack now.

00:15:01.000 And a lot of people are succumbing to it.

00:15:03.000 And as a result of that, we're not forming those families.

00:15:06.000 We're not having those babies.

00:15:08.000 We're not having babies at a rate sufficient to replace the number of people who are dying.

00:15:15.000 And that's a real problem for society.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, we are below replacement rates here in the West.

00:15:23.000 And it is very troubling.

00:15:25.000 The Harrison Butker clip was so interesting because he was talking about the privilege and how good it is to have children.

00:15:31.000 Why do you think the media reacted the way they did?

00:15:34.000 What prevailing viewpoint and cultural sickness makes the entire media ecosystem attack somebody like that?

00:15:44.000 Help me understand that.

00:15:45.000 Well, you know, Marxism is not in favor of the traditional family, particularly the patriarchal family.

00:15:54.000 And in fact, interestingly enough, Black Lives Matter had that up on their website early on, and then some of us started pointing out that it was there and they took it off their website.

00:16:06.000 Doesn't mean that they took it off of their agenda.

00:16:09.000 They still believe in a different type of society where the children don't necessarily belong with or to the parents, but are part of community property to be cultivated in a way that is beneficial for the community as a whole.

00:16:30.000 That's the way they look at it.

00:16:32.000 Of course, their definition of what's beneficial is probably a little bit different than our definition of what's beneficial would be.

00:16:41.000 But in communist societies, they absolutely believe that they have a right to the children and to train the children according to their principles and values.

00:16:53.000 I was talking to a young woman from Cambodia.

00:16:59.000 Well, she's not that young anymore, but when she was 13 years old, that's when the Camerouge came in and took over and imposed communism and took them off to labor camps and separated them from their parents and subjected them to all kinds of propaganda.

00:17:18.000 You know, this is what can be expected from some of the types of governmental systems that want to replace what we have, even though it's been shown time and time again to be a failure.

00:17:33.000 But there's something that's attractive to people when they hear someone saying, we will take care of all of your basic needs.

00:17:43.000 Everything from cradle to grave, we will take care of.

00:17:47.000 You won't have to worry about anything.

00:17:50.000 Just give us all the power and we'll take care of you.

00:17:53.000 And people keep succumbing to that.

00:17:56.000 And we have people in this country who are incredibly blessed and don't actually recognize it.

00:18:05.000 No matter where your ancestors came from, be it England or France or Spain or Nigeria, it doesn't matter.

00:18:15.000 You're probably better off here than you would have been had you been born in those places.

00:18:20.000 And we need to recognize what happens in this country.

00:18:24.000 This young lady that I was talking about from Cambodia, after five years in a prison camp where they were starved and mistreated, she managed to get to the United States of America,

00:18:39.000 didn't speak a word of English, but recognized that this was a land of opportunity, taught herself English, went to college, got a degree in engineering, became a Nassau engineer, subsequently started her own business, is very successful.

00:18:59.000 Those are the kinds of opportunities that exist in a society like ours.

00:19:04.000 Now, unfortunately, some people don't recognize them.

00:19:08.000 And that's one of the reasons that people who come here from the outside frequently do so much better because they come here and it's like you turn them loose in a candy store with an unlimited budget.

00:19:21.000 I mean, they just see all these opportunities that we unfortunately don't see, but they are here.

00:19:28.000 But that's one of the reasons, again, that you and I fight so that we can maintain those opportunities, whether people see them or not.

00:19:37.000 We need to maintain them because that's why this is such a desirable place to be.

00:19:42.000 If we're such a bad place, why are all these people trying to get in here?

00:19:46.000 You know, there is obviously if we're so bad, if we're so bad, why won't the people who hate it, why do they refuse to leave?

00:19:54.000 Even though they promised to leave, they said, if Trump wins, I'm leaving the country.

00:19:58.000 How many of those people actually left?

00:20:00.000 They're not going anywhere.

00:20:01.000 They know better.

00:20:03.000 That's exactly right.

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00:21:09.000 So you talk about this in the book and also your work, Dr. Carson.

00:21:13.000 How do we best then teach gratitude to an ungrateful generation?

00:21:18.000 Well, the first thing we have to do is not succumb to what we're told from the time that you're a child.

00:21:27.000 And that is, there are two things that you're not supposed to discuss in public: politics and religion.

00:21:34.000 Those are the exact things we need to be talking about because the leftists do their best work in the dark.

00:21:42.000 They don't want to be seen what they're doing.

00:21:45.000 They don't want people talking about what they're doing.

00:21:48.000 Just quietly sit there and allow your whole life and your whole environment to be changed.

00:21:55.000 So we need to be willing to engage in these conversations, particularly with our young people.

00:22:03.000 You know, one of the problems, and I talk about this in the book, is our young people spend an inordinate amount of time on social media and with their electronic devices.

00:22:17.000 Far more time than they spend with the family.

00:22:21.000 So which influences do you think are going to be the greatest?

00:22:26.000 You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure that out.

00:22:29.000 And what we need to do, obviously, is spend time with our family and cultivate those relationships.

00:22:40.000 You know, when my kids were growing up, we made a big deal about, you know, having dinner together.

00:22:48.000 And each one of the boys was required to bring a fact to the table that no one else was likely to know, which means they had to do some research.

00:23:02.000 And everybody loved it.

00:23:04.000 It was so much fun, you know, learning what other people's facts were.

00:23:08.000 And it was really cool when you could say, I already know that.

00:23:12.000 And further, Laura.

00:23:14.000 But those kinds of things build good family relationships.

00:23:19.000 But we have to prioritize our families.

00:23:22.000 That's so key in a society that's as busy as ours.

00:23:26.000 I was extremely busy as a young attending near a surgeon, working from five in the morning to nine at night most days.

00:23:38.000 And there wouldn't have been a whole lot of time to interact with my family if I didn't make it a priority.

00:23:46.000 But I was also giving a lot of speeches, traveling around the world.

00:23:51.000 I made it a requirement that my family go with me every place I went.

00:23:56.000 So the kids had frequent flyer cards for every airline.

00:23:59.000 They travel all over the world.

00:24:00.000 We had a lot of quality time together.

00:24:03.000 Dr. Carson, continue, please.

00:24:05.000 You're talking about how you made time.

00:24:06.000 You carved out time.

00:24:07.000 You made it a priority to spend time with your children.

00:24:11.000 And also, just remind our audience: you were in a very stressful, time-intensive, high-stakes job.

00:24:16.000 I mean, you were literally doing brain surgery that was unprecedented frontier work.

00:24:22.000 So please tell us.

00:24:24.000 You were one of the more busy people on the planet, yet you made it a priority, please.

00:24:29.000 And you have to make it a priority.

00:24:30.000 You can always find a way if it's a will there.

00:24:35.000 And I knew that I wasn't going to be able to carve out a lot of time in my clinical schedule, but that when I'm on the road, I have a lot of time.

00:24:48.000 So that's why I made the requirement that my family come with me.

00:24:52.000 And we had a blast.

00:24:54.000 If I hadn't done that, the kids would have been saying, Mommy, that strange guy was here again last night.

00:24:59.000 Who is he?

00:25:00.000 And that happens too often with professional people and people who just have intensive work schedules.

00:25:10.000 We can change it.

00:25:11.000 We must change it.

00:25:12.000 The other thing that I emphasize in the book is faith.

00:25:18.000 You know, what happened to faith in this country?

00:25:22.000 Our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, talks about certain inalienable rights given to us by our Creator, aka God.

00:25:32.000 Think about that.

00:25:34.000 Think about the fact that every coin in your pocket, every bill in your wallet says, in God we trust.

00:25:39.000 The Pledge of Allegiance says we're one nation under God.

00:25:44.000 What happened to us?

00:25:46.000 Well, you know, back in 1958, a lawsuit was brought against a county in Pennsylvania.

00:25:53.000 Schlimp was the family name.

00:25:58.000 And they were opposing the fact that the Lord's Prayer was said at the beginning of school and Bible verses were read.

00:26:06.000 The state tried to accommodate them, said their children didn't have to go through that.

00:26:12.000 But they persisted and went all the way to the Supreme Court.

00:26:15.000 Five years later, 1963, the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to read the Bible in school and to say prayer to make it a requirement in school.

00:26:30.000 So that was the beginning of the downslide.

00:26:33.000 Then they took all the Ten Commandments out.

00:26:35.000 You should be in every wall.

00:26:37.000 Every school had a wall with the Ten Commandments on it.

00:26:41.000 Took it all away.

00:26:43.000 And think about: have we gotten better since that happened?

00:26:47.000 Are our schools safer?

00:26:49.000 Do people treat each other better since we got rid of all that stuff?

00:26:54.000 I dare say things have deteriorated significantly.

00:26:59.000 In fact, in a recent survey, 55% of public school teachers said they were considering early retirement because they didn't feel safe in the classroom.

00:27:10.000 Now, think about those things.

00:27:13.000 And we've caused those kinds of things.

00:27:15.000 And that's really the reason that John Adams, our second president, said our Constitution was designed for moral and religious people and is inadequate for the governance of any other.

00:27:28.000 A lot of people are complaining about the Trump trial that's going on right now with this very biased judge.

00:27:36.000 Well, that's what happens when you have any other, not a moral and religious people.

00:27:42.000 People who don't get it.

00:27:44.000 That is right.

00:27:44.000 And so, Dr. Carson, absent revival, what can the state or politics, what can we do in the political realm to inculcate a virtuous and moral people?

00:27:57.000 Well, that's a very good question.

00:28:00.000 You know, this country is supposed to be for the people.

00:28:04.000 It's about what concerns us.

00:28:07.000 But it means that people must get involved.

00:28:09.000 You need to run for the school board.

00:28:12.000 You need to at least go to the board meetings and make your voice heard.

00:28:16.000 You need to run for other local offices.

00:28:22.000 And you also need to ensure election integrity.

00:28:29.000 See, we don't have to accept it when people say the signatures don't have to match on the mail-in ballots.

00:28:36.000 You don't have to accept it when they say you can observe this polling place, but you have to do it from way over there where you can't see what's going on.

00:28:45.000 We don't have to accept it when a thousand ballots come from the same address.

00:28:50.000 You know, there's so many things that are done because we accept them and we don't have to.

00:28:57.000 And just normal ordinary citizens can get together and they can put pressure on the local officials to make sure that you do things according to the law and not according to some official's last minute declaration, which we have allowed to happen.

00:29:19.000 And we're paying the consequences for that.

00:29:22.000 No, that is right.

00:29:23.000 And it's an interesting thing, Dr. Carson.

00:29:26.000 I'm so glad you brought up the Constitution is wholly for a moral and religious people.

00:29:31.000 So if you'll indulge me, I'm going to ask you a provocative question, which is, can the Constitution survive if the people are no longer moral and religious?

00:29:42.000 That's a very good question.

00:29:45.000 I guess it depends on how many of them are no longer more.

00:29:49.000 That's right.

00:29:49.000 No, and so that's the question, Dr. Carson.

00:29:52.000 Do you think it requires a majority or a vocal minoritarian vanguard enough to keep that alive, to keep that idea alive?

00:30:03.000 I think if, you know, there were only 12, Jesus only had 12 disciples.

00:30:08.000 And look what happened with Christianity. 0.86

00:30:10.000 So if you're vigorous and you're committed, you can have a profound effect.

00:30:16.000 Everybody needs to recognize that they have a sphere of influence.

00:30:21.000 And it's usually a much bigger sphere than you think.

00:30:24.000 And also people are watching you.

00:30:26.000 They're watching how you live and what you do.

00:30:30.000 And it makes a big difference on the lives of other people.

00:30:34.000 You know, I remember when I was in Australia, I spent a year in Australia as a senior registrar.

00:30:40.000 And I was operating one day.

00:30:43.000 And I said to the scrub nurse, give me the bloody forceps.

00:30:47.000 And they were all so shocked because in their culture, bloody is a curse word.

00:30:52.000 It's not a curse.

00:30:53.000 It's not a curse word.

00:30:54.000 I was showing to the forceps that had blood on them.

00:30:59.000 But people are always watching you and observing what you're doing, how you're talking, and your demeanor.

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00:33:03.000 So, Dr. Carson, so many thoughts I have.

00:33:07.000 I want to continue on the book here, The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family.

00:33:14.000 I want to take a little bit of a detour here because you mentioned your career.

00:33:18.000 And for those that don't know, Dr. Carson has one of the most impressive and impactful medical careers, a doctor for good.

00:33:29.000 Dr. Carson, as you now look at American health care, are you hopeful or are you a little bit, let's just say, pessimistic about the current trajectory of American healthcare?

00:33:43.000 Well, the current trajectory is awful.

00:33:45.000 There's no question about that.

00:33:46.000 It's not sustainable.

00:33:48.000 So we will have to make a change.

00:33:50.000 The question is, are we going to do it in a logical fashion?

00:33:54.000 You know, we have a system that would be akin to someone coming to a hotel, putting their credit card down, and the clerk saying, oh, we don't need that.

00:34:06.000 All your expenses are taken care of.

00:34:08.000 And you say, oh, well, give me the room service menu and whatever else I can get.

00:34:15.000 Otherwise, you're saying, is there a McDonald's around?

00:34:18.000 Of course, that's going to be pretty expensive too.

00:34:21.000 But there's no responsibility or very little responsibility in the system that we have now.

00:34:29.000 And that creates a lot of problems.

00:34:32.000 And I think we need to migrate to something where personal responsibility is primary.

00:34:41.000 People have health savings accounts, for instance.

00:34:45.000 And if that health savings account can roll over, it's even more impactful.

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00:35:08.000 So if Uncle John is a heavy smoker and has a lot of problems associated with that, his family can help him.

00:35:18.000 But also his family's going to be real interested in getting him to stop smoking and to lead a more healthful life.

00:35:26.000 So every family that way becomes their own insurance company.

00:35:30.000 You can imagine after a couple of generations of that, you will have enormous amounts of money built up in most families.

00:35:38.000 And that will pretty much take care of anything that comes along.

00:35:43.000 Also, with a system like that, you can have a separate catastrophic insurance policy, but it will be much, much cheaper because all you're dealing with is catastrophic situations.

00:35:56.000 And how often do those occur?

00:35:59.000 That is well said.

00:36:00.000 And Dr. Carson, it is a tragedy that when I hear what someone now says, well, a medical professional or expert says or doctor says, I now have skepticism.

00:36:12.000 I no longer have the trust that I used to because I grew up in a country where doctors were like you, who were ethical and were virtuous and cared about their patients.

00:36:22.000 And I just, I look at Fauci, for example.

00:36:24.000 I don't get that impression at all from him.

00:36:27.000 This is from a Turning Point USA campus event.

00:36:30.000 A young lady comes up and thanks Dr. Ben Carson for saving her life.

00:36:34.000 Play Cut 70.

00:36:35.000 He was together when you're born, so you don't have a sauce a lot.

00:36:39.000 God truly had his hands in this miracle.

00:36:41.000 Not only did we live in Maryland at the time, so we were close to Hopkins, my mom actually worked at Kennedy Crater Institute, and a doctor referred us to you.

00:36:50.000 You walked in the room, you sat with my parents, you listened to their concerns, you examined me, and within a few weeks, I was on the operating table.

00:36:59.000 You gave me the opportunity to graduate high school, college, and start graduate school, play competitive sports, get married, have children.

00:37:07.000 So none of this was related to politics.

00:37:10.000 I just wanted to say thank you.

00:37:21.000 That's what life is all about.

00:37:22.000 I just, I'm so touched by that, Dr. Carson.

00:37:25.000 You're a man of conviction, but you've done something really beautiful in your life.

00:37:30.000 Dr. Carson, I'm going to ask you the same question I asked at our Turning Point USA Am Fest event, and you can answer however you want.

00:37:37.000 Our chat and our email inbox is being flooded.

00:37:40.000 Would you consider being Donald Trump's vice president?

00:37:44.000 Well, I would consider it a privilege to do anything I can to help save this country in lots of different capacities, whether that's inside or outside of government.

00:37:56.000 I can assure people that I'm not going to relax.

00:38:00.000 You know, I've given up the whole idea of retirement and recognize that there'd be people who preceded us who sacrificed everything, in many cases, including their lives, so that we could have a free and prosperous nation.

00:38:16.000 And that is what I'm dedicated to do.

00:38:19.000 I will say that having worked with President Trump in the past, he is a wonderful person to work with, very supportive, has very good ideas.

00:38:28.000 And philosophically, we're peas in a pond.

00:38:34.000 And, you know, some people say, Charlie, what should we look for in a VP?

00:38:38.000 I said, you know, somebody with steady hands, who's calm, who's a, and I think you've demonstrated that, Dr. Carson.

00:38:45.000 I'm a big fan.

00:38:46.000 In closing here, Dr. Carson, our country is in trouble.

00:38:50.000 It is sick, if you will.

00:38:52.000 Your book diagnoses it very well.

00:38:56.000 And I want to make sure I repeat it.

00:38:57.000 The perilous fight, overcoming our culture wars, a culture's war on the American family. 0.85

00:39:03.000 Let me ask you, Dr. Carson, what do you see?

00:39:05.000 What one or two things do you see that give you hope?

00:39:10.000 Well, you know, when I was running for president, I traveled to every part of America, the biggest cities, the smallest little hamlets, and I discovered that people had common sense.

00:39:22.000 And that gave me hope.

00:39:25.000 But I also discovered that most people did not have courage.

00:39:29.000 they weren't willing to be canceled or have a possibility of that happening in their lives.

00:39:36.000 That's what has to change.

00:39:38.000 And I see more and more people being willing to stand up these days than I have seen in the past.

00:39:45.000 And that gives me hope.

00:39:46.000 And I particularly see that in the colleges and universities.

00:39:50.000 The Turning Point USA affairs have been wonderful.

00:39:56.000 The enthusiasm of the young people.

00:39:58.000 I believe that maybe that's where our revival is going to come from, from those young people.

00:40:04.000 You saw what happened at Auburn University last year and Berea last year.

00:40:09.000 It's amazing the spirit that encompasses those young people.

00:40:14.000 That's what's going to save us.

00:40:16.000 Amen.

00:40:17.000 I agree completely.

00:40:18.000 Dr. Carson, thank you.

00:40:19.000 We are here for you.

00:40:20.000 Any way we can support you, we want to keep on sending you to campuses.

00:40:24.000 And I want everyone to buy your book and anything we can do with you or alongside of you.

00:40:29.000 We're here for you.

00:40:30.000 And you're also, Dr. Carson, you are speaking prominently at our Turning Point Action People's Convention in Detroit, Michigan, which I believe you were from Detroit.

00:40:41.000 Am I right if my memory serves me correctly?

00:40:44.000 That is my hometown.

00:40:46.000 Absolutely.

00:40:47.000 That is really fitting.

00:40:49.000 I want to thank you for being a patriot.

00:40:52.000 You give me a lot of hope.

00:40:55.000 And I was mentioning you on another broadcast this morning when they were talking about college students.

00:41:03.000 I said, well, there's one person who didn't go to college and is more intelligent than just about everybody who has and is running a big organization.

00:41:12.000 So you don't necessarily have to have that college degree, but you do have to be intelligent.

00:41:17.000 Thank you.

00:41:18.000 Dr. Carson, God bless you.

00:41:19.000 And we'll see you in Detroit.

00:41:20.000 It'll be a fun homecoming for you.

00:41:22.000 Thanks so much.

00:41:22.000 All right.

00:41:23.000 See you then.

00:41:23.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:41:25.000 Get involved with Turning PointUSA Today at tpusa.com.

00:41:27.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 22, 2024

The Perilous Fight with Dr. Ben Carson

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