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00:03:20.000Joining us this hour is an amazing American patriot, a wonderful man, an honorable man, a virtuous one, one that, boy, we deserve leaders like him.
00:04:00.000I wish we had 19 cabinet secretaries like that.
00:04:02.000And you're just a wonderful man and honored to call you a friend.
00:04:05.000As a side note, you've also been selling out arenas and rooms at Turning Point USA on campus doing our campus deal with the Cornerstone Institute.
00:04:15.000But first, tell us about your book, Dr. Carson.
00:04:18.000Well, you know, recognizing that our country was moving in a very dark direction, I was quite concerned.
00:04:26.000And I thought about who our enemies are and what they want to do.
00:04:31.000They'd like to overcome our country and impose their Marxist ideology.
00:04:37.000However, we're much too strong to be overcome militarily.
00:04:41.000We can, however, be overcome from within.
00:04:45.000Dividing us, divide and conquer is their theory, and it works extremely well.
00:04:51.000And what do you have to really get to?
00:04:56.000What is the foundation of our strength, of our values, and our principles?
00:05:00.000It is the family, the very thing that's been under attack so much.
00:05:06.000And interestingly enough, you go back to the congressional record, January 10, 1963, and look at the 45 goals of communism in this country.
00:05:20.000And you see everything that's happening today, including the student rioting, the taking over of the public school system, taking over of the media, of Hollywood, infiltrating all of our important media so you can influence the thinking of the people in America.
00:05:47.000And unless people actually recognize what's happening to them, they'll continue to be manipulated into believing that we're all each other's enemies.
00:06:05.000But they've divided us on the basis of race, age, income, gender, religion, political affiliation.
00:06:13.000And they made us think that we're enemies so that we can fight each other and destroy ourselves while they sit there and laugh and reap the benefits of the spoils of that war.
00:08:22.000So, Dr. Carson, I want to get into some of the numbers here.
00:08:25.000You say in the book, you dive into the data of exactly the breakdown of the family, the effects on our society.
00:08:33.000So, give us some of the hard numbers and hard data.
00:08:36.000Well, when you look at what happens to children, for instance, who are raised in a traditional two-parent family, the number of people involved in the just juvenile justice and adult justice system is double for those who come from non-traditional families.
00:11:00.000Those are the kinds of things that fortify you against the kind of propaganda that you're going to be facing when you go out into the world, when you go out to colleges and universities.
00:11:13.000And we're seeing the fruits of that right now.
00:11:15.000So many of those young people totally not grounded.
00:11:20.000And it's sort of like a leaf blowing in the wind, whichever direction the wind is blowing, that's the way that they go.
00:11:28.000Without having any idea what they're protesting about, without realizing the absolute savagery and brutality of Hamas, they're holding up their flags.
00:12:12.000So we have to be very aggressive in terms of making sure that we teach our children the right things.
00:12:21.000And I'm not saying that we shouldn't talk about the bad things that have happened in America.
00:12:25.000There's good, there's bad, and there's ugly.
00:12:28.000But there's a heck of a lot more good than there is bad and ugly.
00:12:32.000So, you know, we don't have to just sit there and let the critical race theory and the 16, 19 people go unopposed into our schools.
00:12:45.000So Dr. Carson, why do you think the fertility rates have gone down so dramatically in the West?
00:12:51.000Well, for one thing, people aren't getting married.
00:12:55.000And when they do get married, they're getting married much later at a time when they're not quite as fertile as they might have been earlier.
00:13:05.000And also, singlehood versus motherhood is being pushed by Hollywood and the general media.
00:13:41.000And what we have to do is not give up and make sure that we continue to push the narrative of what a wonderful thing it is to, in fact, have a family.
00:13:55.000You know, you have children, what an incredible joy it is when you go home and you see them and they're so excited to see you.
00:14:04.000And you get a chance to instill into them some of the real values and principles that made this into a great nation.
00:15:45.000Well, you know, Marxism is not in favor of the traditional family, particularly the patriarchal family.
00:15:54.000And in fact, interestingly enough, Black Lives Matter had that up on their website early on, and then some of us started pointing out that it was there and they took it off their website.
00:16:06.000Doesn't mean that they took it off of their agenda.
00:16:09.000They still believe in a different type of society where the children don't necessarily belong with or to the parents, but are part of community property to be cultivated in a way that is beneficial for the community as a whole.
00:16:32.000Of course, their definition of what's beneficial is probably a little bit different than our definition of what's beneficial would be.
00:16:41.000But in communist societies, they absolutely believe that they have a right to the children and to train the children according to their principles and values.
00:16:53.000I was talking to a young woman from Cambodia.
00:16:59.000Well, she's not that young anymore, but when she was 13 years old, that's when the Camerouge came in and took over and imposed communism and took them off to labor camps and separated them from their parents and subjected them to all kinds of propaganda.
00:17:18.000You know, this is what can be expected from some of the types of governmental systems that want to replace what we have, even though it's been shown time and time again to be a failure.
00:17:33.000But there's something that's attractive to people when they hear someone saying, we will take care of all of your basic needs.
00:17:43.000Everything from cradle to grave, we will take care of.
00:17:47.000You won't have to worry about anything.
00:17:50.000Just give us all the power and we'll take care of you.
00:17:56.000And we have people in this country who are incredibly blessed and don't actually recognize it.
00:18:05.000No matter where your ancestors came from, be it England or France or Spain or Nigeria, it doesn't matter.
00:18:15.000You're probably better off here than you would have been had you been born in those places.
00:18:20.000And we need to recognize what happens in this country.
00:18:24.000This young lady that I was talking about from Cambodia, after five years in a prison camp where they were starved and mistreated, she managed to get to the United States of America,
00:18:39.000didn't speak a word of English, but recognized that this was a land of opportunity, taught herself English, went to college, got a degree in engineering, became a Nassau engineer, subsequently started her own business, is very successful.
00:18:59.000Those are the kinds of opportunities that exist in a society like ours.
00:19:04.000Now, unfortunately, some people don't recognize them.
00:19:08.000And that's one of the reasons that people who come here from the outside frequently do so much better because they come here and it's like you turn them loose in a candy store with an unlimited budget.
00:19:21.000I mean, they just see all these opportunities that we unfortunately don't see, but they are here.
00:19:28.000But that's one of the reasons, again, that you and I fight so that we can maintain those opportunities, whether people see them or not.
00:19:37.000We need to maintain them because that's why this is such a desirable place to be.
00:19:42.000If we're such a bad place, why are all these people trying to get in here?
00:19:46.000You know, there is obviously if we're so bad, if we're so bad, why won't the people who hate it, why do they refuse to leave?
00:19:54.000Even though they promised to leave, they said, if Trump wins, I'm leaving the country.
00:19:58.000How many of those people actually left?
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00:20:21.000As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and we're not going to do nothing.
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00:21:09.000So you talk about this in the book and also your work, Dr. Carson.
00:21:13.000How do we best then teach gratitude to an ungrateful generation?
00:21:18.000Well, the first thing we have to do is not succumb to what we're told from the time that you're a child.
00:21:27.000And that is, there are two things that you're not supposed to discuss in public: politics and religion.
00:21:34.000Those are the exact things we need to be talking about because the leftists do their best work in the dark.
00:21:42.000They don't want to be seen what they're doing.
00:21:45.000They don't want people talking about what they're doing.
00:21:48.000Just quietly sit there and allow your whole life and your whole environment to be changed.
00:21:55.000So we need to be willing to engage in these conversations, particularly with our young people.
00:22:03.000You know, one of the problems, and I talk about this in the book, is our young people spend an inordinate amount of time on social media and with their electronic devices.
00:22:17.000Far more time than they spend with the family.
00:22:21.000So which influences do you think are going to be the greatest?
00:22:26.000You don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure that out.
00:22:29.000And what we need to do, obviously, is spend time with our family and cultivate those relationships.
00:22:40.000You know, when my kids were growing up, we made a big deal about, you know, having dinner together.
00:22:48.000And each one of the boys was required to bring a fact to the table that no one else was likely to know, which means they had to do some research.
00:24:30.000You can always find a way if it's a will there.
00:24:35.000And I knew that I wasn't going to be able to carve out a lot of time in my clinical schedule, but that when I'm on the road, I have a lot of time.
00:24:48.000So that's why I made the requirement that my family come with me.
00:25:58.000And they were opposing the fact that the Lord's Prayer was said at the beginning of school and Bible verses were read.
00:26:06.000The state tried to accommodate them, said their children didn't have to go through that.
00:26:12.000But they persisted and went all the way to the Supreme Court.
00:26:15.000Five years later, 1963, the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to read the Bible in school and to say prayer to make it a requirement in school.
00:26:30.000So that was the beginning of the downslide.
00:26:33.000Then they took all the Ten Commandments out.
00:26:49.000Do people treat each other better since we got rid of all that stuff?
00:26:54.000I dare say things have deteriorated significantly.
00:26:59.000In fact, in a recent survey, 55% of public school teachers said they were considering early retirement because they didn't feel safe in the classroom.
00:27:13.000And we've caused those kinds of things.
00:27:15.000And that's really the reason that John Adams, our second president, said our Constitution was designed for moral and religious people and is inadequate for the governance of any other.
00:27:28.000A lot of people are complaining about the Trump trial that's going on right now with this very biased judge.
00:27:36.000Well, that's what happens when you have any other, not a moral and religious people.
00:27:44.000And so, Dr. Carson, absent revival, what can the state or politics, what can we do in the political realm to inculcate a virtuous and moral people?
00:28:12.000You need to at least go to the board meetings and make your voice heard.
00:28:16.000You need to run for other local offices.
00:28:22.000And you also need to ensure election integrity.
00:28:29.000See, we don't have to accept it when people say the signatures don't have to match on the mail-in ballots.
00:28:36.000You don't have to accept it when they say you can observe this polling place, but you have to do it from way over there where you can't see what's going on.
00:28:45.000We don't have to accept it when a thousand ballots come from the same address.
00:28:50.000You know, there's so many things that are done because we accept them and we don't have to.
00:28:57.000And just normal ordinary citizens can get together and they can put pressure on the local officials to make sure that you do things according to the law and not according to some official's last minute declaration, which we have allowed to happen.
00:29:19.000And we're paying the consequences for that.
00:29:23.000And it's an interesting thing, Dr. Carson.
00:29:26.000I'm so glad you brought up the Constitution is wholly for a moral and religious people.
00:29:31.000So if you'll indulge me, I'm going to ask you a provocative question, which is, can the Constitution survive if the people are no longer moral and religious?
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00:33:03.000So, Dr. Carson, so many thoughts I have.
00:33:07.000I want to continue on the book here, The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family.
00:33:14.000I want to take a little bit of a detour here because you mentioned your career.
00:33:18.000And for those that don't know, Dr. Carson has one of the most impressive and impactful medical careers, a doctor for good.
00:33:29.000Dr. Carson, as you now look at American health care, are you hopeful or are you a little bit, let's just say, pessimistic about the current trajectory of American healthcare?
00:33:43.000Well, the current trajectory is awful.
00:33:50.000The question is, are we going to do it in a logical fashion?
00:33:54.000You know, we have a system that would be akin to someone coming to a hotel, putting their credit card down, and the clerk saying, oh, we don't need that.
00:34:32.000And I think we need to migrate to something where personal responsibility is primary.
00:34:41.000People have health savings accounts, for instance.
00:34:45.000And if that health savings account can roll over, it's even more impactful.
00:34:50.000You know, if you don't use all of the benefits for one year, it rolls over to the next year and to the next and to the next.
00:34:57.000And then you also create a system where people can donate money out of their health savings account to members of their family.
00:35:08.000So if Uncle John is a heavy smoker and has a lot of problems associated with that, his family can help him.
00:35:18.000But also his family's going to be real interested in getting him to stop smoking and to lead a more healthful life.
00:35:26.000So every family that way becomes their own insurance company.
00:35:30.000You can imagine after a couple of generations of that, you will have enormous amounts of money built up in most families.
00:35:38.000And that will pretty much take care of anything that comes along.
00:35:43.000Also, with a system like that, you can have a separate catastrophic insurance policy, but it will be much, much cheaper because all you're dealing with is catastrophic situations.
00:36:00.000And Dr. Carson, it is a tragedy that when I hear what someone now says, well, a medical professional or expert says or doctor says, I now have skepticism.
00:36:12.000I no longer have the trust that I used to because I grew up in a country where doctors were like you, who were ethical and were virtuous and cared about their patients.
00:36:22.000And I just, I look at Fauci, for example.
00:36:24.000I don't get that impression at all from him.
00:36:27.000This is from a Turning Point USA campus event.
00:36:30.000A young lady comes up and thanks Dr. Ben Carson for saving her life.
00:36:35.000He was together when you're born, so you don't have a sauce a lot.
00:36:39.000God truly had his hands in this miracle.
00:36:41.000Not only did we live in Maryland at the time, so we were close to Hopkins, my mom actually worked at Kennedy Crater Institute, and a doctor referred us to you.
00:36:50.000You walked in the room, you sat with my parents, you listened to their concerns, you examined me, and within a few weeks, I was on the operating table.
00:36:59.000You gave me the opportunity to graduate high school, college, and start graduate school, play competitive sports, get married, have children.
00:37:07.000So none of this was related to politics.
00:37:22.000I just, I'm so touched by that, Dr. Carson.
00:37:25.000You're a man of conviction, but you've done something really beautiful in your life.
00:37:30.000Dr. Carson, I'm going to ask you the same question I asked at our Turning Point USA Am Fest event, and you can answer however you want.
00:37:37.000Our chat and our email inbox is being flooded.
00:37:40.000Would you consider being Donald Trump's vice president?
00:37:44.000Well, I would consider it a privilege to do anything I can to help save this country in lots of different capacities, whether that's inside or outside of government.
00:37:56.000I can assure people that I'm not going to relax.
00:38:00.000You know, I've given up the whole idea of retirement and recognize that there'd be people who preceded us who sacrificed everything, in many cases, including their lives, so that we could have a free and prosperous nation.
00:38:19.000I will say that having worked with President Trump in the past, he is a wonderful person to work with, very supportive, has very good ideas.
00:38:28.000And philosophically, we're peas in a pond.
00:38:34.000And, you know, some people say, Charlie, what should we look for in a VP?
00:38:38.000I said, you know, somebody with steady hands, who's calm, who's a, and I think you've demonstrated that, Dr. Carson.
00:38:57.000The perilous fight, overcoming our culture wars, a culture's war on the American family.
00:39:03.000Let me ask you, Dr. Carson, what do you see?
00:39:05.000What one or two things do you see that give you hope?
00:39:10.000Well, you know, when I was running for president, I traveled to every part of America, the biggest cities, the smallest little hamlets, and I discovered that people had common sense.
00:40:30.000And you're also, Dr. Carson, you are speaking prominently at our Turning Point Action People's Convention in Detroit, Michigan, which I believe you were from Detroit.
00:40:41.000Am I right if my memory serves me correctly?
00:40:55.000And I was mentioning you on another broadcast this morning when they were talking about college students.
00:41:03.000I said, well, there's one person who didn't go to college and is more intelligent than just about everybody who has and is running a big organization.
00:41:12.000So you don't necessarily have to have that college degree, but you do have to be intelligent.